THIS GOT HEATED!! Haikyuu!! 🏐 Season 2 Episode 5 REACTION! | 2x5 "Greed"

[@CarlieAndAnge]

The only thing missing from this fight was a transformation! Our reactions to the next 6 episodes are live now over on Patreon! www.patreon.com/carlie_and_ange

[@RR_vibes]

Please don't skip the OVA of the exams(actually would have been nice if you had watched it before this episode). There are some beautiful moments of the team bonding in this, pleaseee watch it.

[@LisanAlGareeb]

8:05 Someone pointed out how the three people talking to hinata are Suga, Kageyama and Coach Ukai. All of whom are setters (coach ukai was a setter when he played). So nobody is really looking at it from hinata's perspective (a spiker) I never noticed that before...

[@rafaelribeiro99]

I've watched this show many times and never noticed that, really cool detail.

[@regalroyn1011]

Another note, coach Ukai is a new coach. He's pretty inexperienced

[@Max-1906]

@@rafaelribeiro99same

[@erict1628]

The fact that Suga and young Coach Ukai are taking Kageyama's side while old Coach Ukai and Oikawa are taking Hinata's side is why I'm taking Hinata's side. Suga is a good setter, but unlike Oikawa, he doesn't know how to bring out the absolute best out of his hitters, only the ones (like Asahi) that he's worked with for a long time. Young Coach Ukai was only a backup setter, so he wasn't very good at it. And we know that while Kageyama is a genius setter, he's absolutely shit in terms of bring the best out of his hitters. Like Oikawa and old Coach Ukai said, the one who's dictating the set is the hitter, not the setter. I understand that Kageyama wants to win really bad, but that's also what's been blinding him all these years. It causes him to have a parochial view.

[@LisanAlGareeb]

@@erict1628 totally agree with you

[@raniaye]

I think that the fight is really about each character's growth and focus at this point: Kageyama is trying to prioritize the team over himself or any individual player because exactly how he was in junior high; he knows the problems that come with prioritizing one's self over the team because he himself did it. What he doesn't realize is that Hinata is not being "selfish" for the same reason he was; Hinata is being "selfish" because he realizes that if he doesn't get better, he can't serve the team well enough.

[@raniaye]

In terms of "Greed," I think that Kageyama is greedy for the team, not for himself; or at least that what he is trying to be

[@maikcampbell]

Actually this is close. Yes Hinata is being selfish for a good reason (a lesson that makes him one of my favorites and taught me that being selfish doesn’t = bad)…but Hinata is being selfish by choosing his own interests as an athlete and competitor. He doesn’t want to be a side line or dependent on Kageyama, and while hell his getting stronger for himself will have short term benefits for the team, it will have bigger ramifications for his own future as a player. He wasn’t choosing the team at the moment, he was choosing himself from the frustration of knowing he can’t compete enough at a higher level OR stay on the court as he is now.

[@raniaye]

@@maikcampbell Yeah, I can see that...his conversation with Lev and the block certainly are putting him into the mentality of worrying about his progress and his place in the volleyball world.

[@samsaumaralikhan]

Hinata was just looking far ahead

[@Axel-ye8tt]

@@maikcampbellyeah that’s cap cause they need Hinata to be better teams are adapting to the quick quite fast if they don’t have Hinata level up they get smoked

[@gurnoorsekhon6402]

If Kageyama wanted to be the showstopper, he wouldn't have applied for shiratorizawa, the school with a Top 5 national Spiker whose entire team revolves around him. Kageyama wants to be the best setter but more than anything, he wants to play volleyball the longest and he can't do that if the team loses.

[@thelifeofkenji4900]

Your discussion at the end was an absolute rollercoaster, it felt like a shonen back and forth between you two; Ange ceding ground then adjusting his perspective then pushing back and then it made Carlie realise that her two points contradict herself, Ange then settling in to his original view. I was shocked Carlie thought that about Kageyama though, totally unexpected. I'm with Ange, I never thought that about Kageyama.

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

I agree with Ange, Kageyama is not trying to hold Hinata down to be better. They compete a lot but it is never pushing the other down, their goal is become better not to push the other down to win. Carlie got a completely wrong read on their competitiveness, that is not usually how boys compete, boy like strong people who they respect and they can measure themselves against in order to become greater and if the other grows along it is even more satisfying. Kageyama wants Hinata to grow but He does not want him to “waste” effort on something that is seemingly impossible while he has so much to gain on every other area of his game that would be far easier.

[@kodzuken1016]

I also agree with Ange more. Kageyama always welcomes competition. If Hinata were to be a better player than him, he’d have trained himself harder to beat him. It’s a healthy competition. His problem with Hinata in this episode is that he doesn’t believe they can transform freak quick even more to make the attack even stronger. He stressed that instead of focusing on enhancing the freak quick, they should work on others skills, such as receiving, as a team. Keep in mind that the pre-lim is within two weeks. Kagayama’s concern is realistic.

[@shinryouzen]

@@kodzuken1016 that’s pretty big for kageyama’s character too. His senior year in middle school was basically having his teammates do things that he wanted despite them not being able to keep up with his sets. Kageyama let that ego go and realized if they cant keep improving the freak quick, then they should do something that would benefit the whole team.

[@angr2773]

I completely agree with your 1st two sentences. But i also strongly disagree with the second part of your third (long) sentence)). Boys are different, i know lots of boys (of nearly all ages) who love to put down the opponent/rival/just-some-fellow, not to lift him up (for whatever goal). But you are right again, saying that Kageyama is definitely not the type who puts someone down or is scared of a fair competition or of his opponent's growth. It's just not in his character. He will only learn from the person and train more, that's all. Kageyama's idea is efficiency of the team and teamwork. He walked a pretty hard way to learn these lessons. He wants to win, and a team can only win together. He just misunderstands/ doesn't see Hinata's point.

[@rinosay9067]

Carlie did that a lot isn't she? I wonder if it's her living environment that made her to think that someone being oppressive and trying to make other people being dependent of them when they reject other people idea, or is it because of the media she consumed? Either way, it is sad to watch.

[@jrlombardi5251]

​​@@angr2773 you're totally right, I have never understood people who make this kind of stuff into a divisive gender thing, when it's just people in general. Say "Boys are not like that, they're like this/Girls are this way, not that way" makes no sense, we don't function by gender and although sometimes certain things can be seen more into one and less on other (not this topic in particular tho, that's still wrong) that would still be just a majority, so say "boys act/are this way" will always be wrong, bc that's not what majority means (at least here they said usually but they still kept talking in generalized ways, which is my point) and there's not one single thing in the world an entire gender does the same, and not to mention with everyone outside that doing in a different way.

[@AiraKoriTenchi]

I see this entire fight as a difference in priorities. The main issue with Hinata wanting to develope a new technique at this point is time. They don't have a lot of time until the tournament, and that 's exactly what you need to learn a new skill. So trying to learn sth new like Hinata wants is taking practice time away from improving his blocking, receiving and serving, which he still very much needs, and it's also a risk since the thing Hinata is proposing is an extremely skilled technique, that most actual professional volleyball players can't do. So Hinata wants to improve himself to become the best version of himself. Kageyama wants the team to be at its aboslute best, for them to win the tournament. So it's taking a risk vs playing it safe, and I personally don't think anyone is wrong here, cause you just can't know how it's going to turn out

[@gnoki2817]

I see what you mean but I think we can consider it in a more nuanced way (that the characters are not considering since they want to win so badly). This is a high school team and they are in first year, it seems like a good time to try new things whatever tournament is looming forward. In this context, individual development can be emphasized more compared to the team "equilibrium" than in an adult club.

[@raniaye]

@@gnoki2817 While I agree with this on a level, I think that a point here is that, yes, they are in their first year, but it's some other players last year--is it fair to risk the stability of the team when those three (or four) had been working to accomplish something with it for so long, and despite the odds against them? I'm not saying I agree with Kageyama, but I think that he is at least thinking of the possible repercussions for the team as a whole since the series does seem to emphasize that for him, this particular team has meaning.

[@manueled1495]

Hinata understands that if his quick attack gets blocked by stronger opponents than there is no value of him in the team, which is better to have someone taller instead and bench him, even if he gets better at blocking and receiving, someone taller can do that better (longer arms to reach), so the only thing that Hinata haves (as of now) is this quick that allow him to be in the court.

[@mylenainacio273]

EXACTLY! No right or wrong. I wouldn't know what to do in that situation either. But, fortunely, things were written to turn out well the way they did, hahah.

[@elijahagapito6284]

Ange is correct in this instance. It's important to understand Kageyama's motivations. Kageyama wants all his teammates to be the best they can be so that they can win. He wouldn't intentionally hold Hinata back just so he could say he's better than Hinata. He wants Hinata to improve at volleyball. Where they are at odds is how they see that improvement happening. What I love about this conflict is that they are both right. Hinata is right in saying that the quick won't work against really strong opponents. Kageyama is right in responding that Hinata should therefore polish up other fundamentals of volleyball that will make him even more valuable than what he is now. It is more feasible to polish up those fundamentals than to try a quick that they aren't sure will ever work. However, there is something to be said about Hinata's eagerness to improve a technique that is already amazing.

[@elijahagapito6284]

I also think it's important to recognize Kageyama's approach to competition. If he's competing with someone, he doesn’t want them to be weak; he wants to defeat them at their very best. Pretty much everyone in Karasuno is like that really. So Kageyama definitely wouldn't want to defeat Hinata just staying in the state their in. He would want to see Hinata at his best, and then defeat him.

[@yashonap]

Kageyama is not the type to be jealous of Hinata's potential, you saw his proud face when Hinata cought Ushiwaka's ball. They respect eachother fully and they do see each other as partners. But what Kageya is trying to say is that they don't have the time to practice what Hinata wants as of this moment since the prelims are coming up. Even coach Ukai thinks it's impossible for NOW within this time limit that they got. Kageya doesn't want to waste time on things that seems almost impossible. All this time Hinata has been 100% trusting Kageyama's toss, and this is a crucial moment for Kageyama to trust and believe in Hinata.

[@manueled1495]

Kageyama does want Hinata to be better, it just that Kageyama does not believe that it is possible to do the quick attack like Hinata wants to, which it's taking time of practice from the team, instead, he wants Hinata to focus on the other things he needs to get better (receiving, blocking, serving, etc) but Hinata understand that without the quick he is not valuable for the team, you can put someone taller like Yamaguchi or Narita and they can do those things but better (bc of better reach), so Hinata is desperate to make the quick attack work on stronger opponents with good blocking, if not, he will be benched, which is the end of Hinata's dream to become the one that stays longer than anyone in the Court.

[@erict1628]

Carlie is completely wrong about the Kageyama and Hinata dynamics. Kageyama NEVER wanted Hinata to not get better. He would NEVER want to hold Hinata back. First of all, Kageyama is a setter and Hinata is a spiker, so there's no actual competition between Kageyama and Hinata in that sense. The ONLY player that Kageyama wants to be better now is Oikawa. He literally told Ushiwaka that in episode 1 of this season. Secondly, by holding Hinata back, it will not only hurt Karasuno, but also will hurt Kageyama. Not only will it make Karasuno worse, but it will also make Kageyama look worse because when your spikers get blocked, it will also reflect on the setter. Finally, like Ange said, it's a healthy competition between Kageyama and Hinata. Competitive athletes want to win against a rival who is at his/her best, so Kageyama would never "sabotage" Hinata's progress.

[@ahmetturgut9832]

The speech of Hinata after their fight with Kageyama is so well written, I literally cried when i first watched it, felt deeply his broken heart

[@BonziJones]

Kageyama is about winning... Its not about hindering Hinata. Its about keeping the current team chemistry a month away from the Prelims... If he didnt want him to evolve at all he wouldnt have set to him at all

[@samsonmacri941]

Angie right, there is no "Deeper meaning" when it comes to kageyama, he's good but stupid, a perfectly honed edge that's power is in it's simplicity.

[@angelovillanueva9014]

As a volleyball player who has been in a similar situation, I think both perspectives; Hinata and Kageyama are valid but I think Kage's is more realistic. One key pillar (amongst many key pillars) in Volleyball, is about fundamentals, and being an all-round player. 1- Hinata is lacking a lot in so many areas. Receiving, serving, blocking (hes decent but can improve), even hand setting occasionally. He is fixated/tunneled in 'being useful' to the team purely if he can be a score maker or upgrade his high-capped skill which is the quicks/slides/fast attacks. In volleyball you will improve much faster, and be more useful to the team if you practice what you lack, than hone something that's already at a 'high level'. That's why you see in high level volleyball, people are put in for more consistency/defensive capabilities rather than just DPS (exception as "Opposite" where its okay to be pure DPS since you are not receiving as much). A great example is Daichi. He is not known for doing anything fancy or super skilled but he is literally the backbone of the team, and carries through all-round skill. At 11:07 "Instead of practicing an attack we're not sure you'll ever be able to do..." here we can see Kageyama thinks, we should just stick with what Hinata's got (interms of attacking) because it's high level, but he could practice areas where he lacks which would improve not only the team, but more importantly himself i.e. "serving and blocking". Considering the time period for next tournament is quite low, just practicing fundamentals would yield more growth - honing 1 particular high level skill should be done during post-season where the individual can practice it themselves, and not use 'team time'. At 11:44 hinata says "I want to be strong enough to compete by myself!" is a good statement, its correct and valid, but what he sees 'strong' is a bit naive still. "Strong" isn't about doing 1 particular skill at high level. In volleyball its about being all round, thats what makes you strong. Fundamentals first, then level up particular skills. You can see this in Nishinoya's growth where he's really good at digging already, but he tries learn setting, overhand passing, block follows etc. Covering fundamentals over just upgrading his digging skills. Kageyama is being reasonable as he's been playing volleyball longer, his backstory is all about polishing fundamentals and learning all skills. That is why he is good. He is even trying to help, by being part of this training session in the first place by 'trying' to set what he wants. And not really a spoiler but kinda, but Hinata will soon realise the value of practicing fundamentals in future and how it impacts the game astronomically. He matures through this phase. Right now Hinata is a black hole for consistent passing/receiving and all his serves are free as fuck. Thus Hinata's mind set is correct interms - I want to get strong, so I can make the team strong. But its abit misguided because hes tunnelled at his idea of 'strength' when there are different aspects of 'strength' like getting better at receives, serving, and blocking like what Kageyama said. If you start picking up volleyball, you can see all the 'hungry' players trying to improve and 90%+ of players just practice hitting lines and making points, but when they try receive it's completely all-over the place. When you go to social games or even at a club level - all people are looking at is "my god this guy lacks fundamentals, cant pass, can do anything" rather than thinking "wow he can hit and get points". It's weird because we want to root for Hinata, and Kageyama is always portrayed (atleast in early season) as the immature/non-team player. But this is one of those moments where Kageyama is actually thinking about the team and being more mature than Hinata. And it's not Hinata's fault, hes just still young/baby in the volleyball world.

[@roroellies8188]

This is a very good comment 👏

[@RoaringTide]

Yeah I definitely think Carlie's read of Kageyama is off. Kageyama is competitive, but not in a petty "I'm gonna sabotage my opponent/rival" kinda way. He'd much prefer to beat people fair and square - he's clearly not someone who would tolerate cheating or underhandedness. He also never struck me as the type that needs validation because he's been pretty confident in his skills from day 1. He doesn't really need Hinata in order to shine, whereas at this point in the show, Hinata kinda needs Kageyama in order to shine. It might be selfish of Kageyama to prioritise stability over experimentation, but it's not because he just wants Hinata to be shit for his own satifisfaction.

[@astralkiss4089]

Both of them are still young and new to team play. Being a part of a team. They are growing when disagreements happen. It's normal. It's not selfish to improve himself to help the team. If you read till the end of the manga, thats Kageyama at his prime. By being someone who can push their teammates pass their own limits. Hinata helps Kageyama grow just as much. The things Hinata said help Kageyama lessen his burden and will continue to do so. Being confident in his skills obv he got the upperhand of someone who is seen as "genius". But knowing how to use it is what Kageyama is still learning about. As we all know, Hinata rely on Kageyama with the closed eyes quicks. My mindset from s1 never changed when i kept thinking abt how Hinata can do lots of things with that quick. But he has no knowledge, neither did Kageyama. Which is why s2 is the start of it all.

[@gem2551]

Kageyama and Hinata's bond is all about how only them both can handle the other. Hinata is a burning sun. He is greedy, imposing, exhausting. It takes some form of both selflessness and selfishness to demand every ounce of someone, to pry into their vulnerabilities, crash into their walls when they're trying to hide their demons; just to make them stronger. It is meant to be ugly, uncomfortable, but that is practice, it is how you get better, and that superposition is their own unique form of bond. Kageyama hates to think his tosses aren't good enough for Hinata, Hinata hates feeling that he's not worthy enough for his tosses. To see your undesirable traits bared out in the open and hate it, but then someone comes over and doesn't hate them, but instead pushes you to improve. To misunderstand Kageyama as a character leads to misunderstanding Hinata as a character. Kageyama does not WANT Hinata to lose, nor does Hinata oppositewise, they want to keep winning and competing one another at their best. They are both in a way greedy to unlock the most potential as possible from one another, and it does not mean they will coincide always in how to do so, or that it will be good for the team. That is why Hinata's speech to Yachi is so important as it defines their relationship perfectly in a painful way. They are more than friends, they are partners. It's the first time they have a partner that shares that same greed, and can actually grasp the other's full abilities like it is their missing half. They saw each other's weaknesses and it was bad, but going through that and playing together, they both finally felt seen, and understood. It's why it hurts so much this time that they couldn't get their motives through to the other. How they are both right in the same way they are both wrong. And they both needed to go through that. This is just a new step they must take to find the answer, and how the outcome of their clashing, as always, will only propel them even higher. They need eachother's greed to fly.

[@roroellies8188]

Ange and Carlie, you guys should be proud to have smart viewers. I decided not to watch this episode because the comments already shows everything I need to know 😅 I'm so happy to read the comments, bcs Haikyuu have some characters who are easily misunderstood such as Kageyama, Tsukishima, Oikawa. But the comments shows everyone here have read the manga and therefore have deeper understanding on those "problematic" characters. So, just want to point this out to Carlie: Kageyama would the last person to hold down his teammates, esp Hinata. Kageyama is a perfectionist and idealist. Someone like that love to have control and stability. That is why he thinks it is best for Hinata to not change anything esp very near to the next competition. Kageyama is the first to recognize and believe in Hinata's overwhelming talents, which is why he gave advice to Daichi for Hinata to be middle blocker even though Hinata is short, and he appointed Hinata to be the greatest Decoy. And remember Kageyama said to Hinata "as long as I'm here, you'll be invincible" you criticize Kageyama for saying that, remember? Kageyama believe his accurate tosses is the only thing that can help Hinata to shine.

[@roroellies8188]

And there is nothing wrong with what he said at that point. A bit spoiler for you, Hinata will say exactly the same words to Kageyama. Also, someone might pointed out that Suga, Ukai agree with Kageyama bcs they are setters, I disagree. All of them are just lack in experience and seeing things from inside. Sometimes, it will take "some people" looking from outside to see things more clearly and objective and able to point out the solutions. You will see it in the next episodes, or maybe you already did. The point is, sometimes changes are scary, confusing and painful. There is no right or wrong here. Just need a different perspective. I hope someday you will have the time to read the manga, Kageyama's character will be much easier to understand there.

[@roroellies8188]

Also, "sabotage" really??😂😂😂😂😂 I don't think Kageyama even know what that word means 😂😂😂

[@unnirajac8617]

That last one is the problem bro. His accurate toss is the only thing that can help hinata shine ? How can he depend on someone like this. He cannot play with him forever. He will be a shitty player if he relied on him too much. Things need to change at the right moment. They even lost their match in first season because they kept repeating the same thing. Hinata realised that he also needs to take action in order to change the fate of the game. As Kageyama was telling Hinata they lost because he couldn’t deliver a proper toss which could break their defense. Why did he say that ? Because Hinata can only make a contact with the ball he cannot change the direction in mid air. So whatever direction the balls comes he would just strike it hard. Hinata just wanted to have a little authority or command over the ball instead of giving all the burden to Kageyama. Only then he can be better and they can keep winning matches. You are making it seem Hinata was completely wrong with his statement. No man I can’t agree to that. I can understand what Kageyama was trying to say but end of the day what Hinata said made complete sense.

[@roroellies8188]

@@unnirajac8617 read the manga bro and take a breath

[@Violet_237]

Waah..after reading the manga and seeing hinata after those two years, i giggled when kags said that lol😭

[@dididyo2253]

Carlie literally called this conflict the first time she saw the quick

[@aip_lebasi]

- No, Lev read that attack because Kenma taught him how to read block. - Remember when someone said that Hinata won't score unless Kageyama toss to him? That is true. But when Karasuno realized that the quick attack can be stopped, Hinata was determined to not rely on it. Yes, he wants to grow, to get better. He wants to score not only by giving him the accurate toss. - As for me, I think Kageyama thinks that there are other more important things than just Hinata wanting to do something completely different so suddenly. - I think the episode's title talks about the accident in court. Hinata wasn't thinking at all. - THANK YOU CARLIE AND ANGE!

[@japkorox91]

Carlie is wrong this time. Ange is right about Kageyama and Hinata. Kageyama is thinking about the team. Hinata was thinking he needed to improve to contribute to the team or they would lose again. Kageyama would never prevent someone from improving. You read him wrong.

[@ChIMeRaTeX]

My MVP for the episode is Yachi ^^ Supporting Hinata and Kageyama and reacting quickly to break their fight up and also giving emotional support to Hinata when he was hurt. Just wanted to clarify this, Kageyama does not want to keep Hinata down or anything. They are rivals after all. In this case, Kageyama simply didn't want to risk the current team synergy by working on something that may or may not work at all. One could argue that he didn't trust Hinata enough (yet), but that's all it is. But yes, in a sense, Kageyama is preventing Hinata from becoming better right now. Hinata realizes that the freak quick is not invincible (killer argument tbh) and also that he wants to take the next step individually. So he can become an overall better player, elevating the team that much more.

[@withxoutxlife]

Kageyama just really wanted Hinata to work on the basics that he was already underperforming in, to shore up the holes in their team, instead of working on a new move that might not end up working. They have very limited time before the tournament, so every bit of practice being wasted is costing the team as a whole. Kageyama is overcorrecting his previous behavior in middleschool, to be completely team focused in highschool. That's not entirely a bad thing, and Kageyama is right in what he's saying Hinata needs to work on. That said, Hinata is also in the right, because he wants to be better for the team, but he is aware that his single gimmick is quickly losing its edge in games. Its frustrating that his team and coach don't believe him when he tells them that he's able to see how to thwart blocks. Instead of trying to keep an open mind about it, they shut him down completely, even though everything he was saying was valid.

[@kay-jay1581]

18:00 You guys had a great discussion and great ideas but, Angelo is right. Kageyama is too stress out to start making changes without a clear point/goal. He is always willing to train and get better but he does think that Hinata was being selfish at the moment. Kageyama doesn’t care about being a star and being the best player of the entire team he just want to be the best setter and win with the entire team.

[@unnirajac8617]

He does care about being the best but he would definitely don’t sabotage anyone’s growth for selfish reasons. There is no competition for him in the team because afterall he is a setter and an exceptional one. So his only real competitor is Oikawa.

[@jakeDgirl]

You're absolutely right. This is where team dynamics get complicated & stressful, in a good and bad way. Each team has to improve, but how much should it be focused individually or collectively? Any route a team makes will always be a risk, and will always sacrifice something in favor of the other. This is how teams/schools develop a "style". Time - There is limited time to train until the next tournament. Each player has limited time on the court, depending on their strengths and roles. Each player also has limited time as a player depending on their school level. Daichi almost gave up the club so that the 2nd yrs can establish their roles as leaders, and so that the benchwarmers will have more real game experiences. That amount of game time will affect the next generation and the tournaments next year. Skill & Chemistry - Sure each player can level up individually, but how will those varying evolution & skill variations affect the team when they have to be on the court together? An example is middle school Kageyama. He was way ahead in terms of skills, but couldn't mesh well with his middle school team's feelings & skills. Should a player just improve depending on their given roles, or should they expand on other aspects of the game? There are also other players on the bench who have their own flavors to bring into the team chemistry. Who do you mix & match during practice? The amount of time a set of players play together will affect how well they play with each other in real games. All these factors on how a team should improve and develop a style will come up again later. Some details: 1. Kageyama, Suga & Ukai-kun are all setters. During Ukai-kun's neighborhood team vs Karasuno in S1, Ukai mentioned that he wanted to set for his team, but couldn't, because he had to observe Karasuno. All 3 of them have a similar perspective. The setters cater to the team as a whole, so they are in favor of improving collectively rather than individually. Plus, Kageyama learned his most recent lesson that the team is above an individual. 2. When Hinata asked for a solo level up focus (which is well within is rights), he got shut down by most of his teammates, especially the coach, Ukai-kun. This will be VERY important later hahaha.

[@keiagne]

You guys reached this point. It just gets better from here. cool discussions. Esp carlies pickup from s1 that hinata relies on kageyama a bit much. About kageyama tho, i agree with ange. He just prioritizes the team balance. XD

[@Kodzuken8396]

Kageyama is highly competitive and would want to be the best. But he is the sort of competitive who would want others to improve so that he can work hard and be even better! At this point he genuinely believes that Hinata focusing on his own improvement will jeopardize the team's performance in the Spring Tournament.

[@CleetjeLovesHusky]

I always felt bad for Hinata here because our boy just wants to improve but everyone around him, all setters by the way, are telling him that he's only good for his quick and nothing else. Even during his fight with Kageyama, Hinata told him that his toss was perfect, but a perfect toss was wasted if he didn't improve to use it to its full potential. Like, he's begging for guidance, begging for a chance to improve yet Suga, Ukai and Kageyama all keep saying the same thing. "Stay in your lane and jump when we say so."

[@FroYo1305]

You sir are my favorite person on the internet for today. No one understands this side of the conversation, everyone just sides with Kageyama coz he's supposedly a genius. PS : I love huskies too! too adorable they are!

[@geovanagama1]

I thought the same. It's just a few people who see this way.

[@enju3588]

Without Kageyama's new toss, he would have definitely get benched right away

[@FroYo1305]

nice spoiler. the conversation was about the story till this point of time in episode. Might as well give spoilers all the way till Season 4 then :/

[@CleetjeLovesHusky]

@@enju3588 I know. And Hinata knows too. That's why he wants to improve because even with Kageyama's perfect toss, other teams are already adapting and finding ways to stop him. Hinata wishes to improve his skills and learn new things. And basically everyone around him is saying "But what we have now is working, why improve?" I do understand the coach's reluctance. They have little time to waste, especially on a move that may or may not work. But staying still in a sport that keeps sprinting ahead is more dangerous than wasting time trying to improve.

[@valkyrchesa]

I agree more with Ange on this, it's true that kageyama may be holding hinata back, but not because he does not want hinata to surpass him. I don't think kageyama showed any bad intent like that in his character from S1. I think as he said he just think it is not worth practicing and spring tournament is coming up

[@rafaelribeiro99]

I also don't think there's any bad intent on Kageyama's reason, but not (only) because of the tournament coming up. I think it's because they just didnt belive Hinata. When they talked to Hinata about it, was Suga, Kageyama and Ukai, which all of them are SETTER'S, they are seeing it from a setter's perspective, and when Hinata said "sometimes i can SEE the block in front of me", like he saw it when they won the practice match against Seijoh, he SAW Oikawa from up there. But Suga and Kageyama just don't belive that, Ukai is the only one that was like tried to speculate "MAYBE he saw it, and IF he did, this COULD become something special", he didn't shut him down from the start.

[@ArgKnoxville86]

I like that the impact of loosing their match agains Seijoh is not just a moment. But it takes a toll on them. These past 5 episodes there has been at least one moment per episode remembering that they lost. And this is peak worst moment. Where all the frustration of that loss and not improving just reaches max point. After a loss it is hard to just get up again and recover and improve. It is not just a moment.

[@erineko1847]

By the time you published this episode on KZbin, I think you have already seen the next one, so it should be safe to point out that Oikawa was the only setter (between Kageyama, Ukai Jr. and Suga) who immediately saw Hirata’s request and the hitter’s point of view) as something worth the validation and effort. That it is very indicative of the difference between Oikawa and Kageyama: one is willing to work with the hitters to accommodate them and the other can’t easily accept new inputs because Kageyama has trouble with relinquishing control. Kageyama sees his role as a setter as the one who makes all the decisions that ultimately accomplish points, and hitters are only tools to be used and directed. This is a very important moment for Kageyama to evolve and maybe finally let go of his own preconceived notions. As a game, volleyball can be very interesting and sophisticated. It lacks contact between players, so inside a certain culture of machismo (or toxic masculinity) it is one of those sports that don’t attract attention like sports based on strong individualities and simulated violence. Volleyball is another thing. Last episode Ange remarked that now with Lev, who is a player that stands out more, Nekoma has become more interesting in his eyes. Nekoma was already a team that had some of those less flashy qualities that make volleyball a game special when you have enough knowledge to understand the different layers and strategies in it, so it was good to have the characters and the rivalry set up early in season one, but still the game that matters against Nekoma needs to wait until the viewers have more concepts about volleyball to appreciate them. At least that is my impression, I only played volleyball as part of the school activities some time ago, but I immediately knew that I wanted to be a setter for the reasons Kenma does it: you don’t need the desire to stand out, or aggression, but the mind of the strategist, the pleasure of being sneaky and a quick thinker and also a little bit of desire for control which you need to learn and keep in check! So I don’t think Kageyama wanted to be better and keep Hinata back and below himself, it isn’t that type of competition, Carlie. But Kageyama didn’t trust others enough to relinquish control, which is a character trait very interesting to consider.

[@mukulkansara1907]

In the team sports essentially the control should be at the hands of strikers or point scorers and those who excel at it are generally somewhat greedy and have self belief(or having ego whichever you want to say) so that they can evolve and make themselves to be the best and take charge in difficult situation and not hesitate to score when the chance comes by doubting their abilities. So essentially greed can be helpful for strikers to be detrimental for other players like setters.

[@Firestorm6651]

Interestingly, Carlie's perspective of Kageyama not wanting to help Hinata because he thinks it'll make Hinata better than him isn't really right for Kageyama. However, it IS an accurate read of a DIFFERENT Haikyuu character: Oikawa, who didn't want to help Kageyama because he was scared of exactly that.

[@teoyongsen]

that is a spoiler man.

[@SKanwalS]

@@teoyongsen how is it a spoiler?

[@josephocenada]

my brain hurts that Carlie thinks that bad about Kageyama... Angelo is on point though

[@okeeguguru]

​@@teoyongsenThat was shown in Season 1

[@SlamboHamburg]

​@@teoyongsenit's not a spoiler, we saw it in the flashback to Jr high with Oikawa and Kageyama in season 1

[@rohitchatterjee2935]

Personally I think kageyama is stopping Hinata only because, the next tournament is coming up and he wants Hinata to perfect their quick techniques and also his blocks and receives, instead learning a new move ,which will take time before he can perfect it. So, he did help him practice at the end of the ep but he can tell, it will take Hinata a longer time to perfect it or apply it during an official match, which may lead to negatively impacting the team.

[@Dexiray]

I binged all of your haikyuu reactions thus far in two days! I'm glad Tanaka is your favorite! He's mine too! To me, he has the best scene in the whole show. I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did.

[@cronos12_psn]

Seemed to be a slight confusion on what "one touch" means with the block. It doesn't mean he can't touch it again, in fact, if you block you can be the person who touches it next. Blockers yell "Touch!" to tell their teammates to get the ball, even if it's going out, because they touched it. Blocks also don't count towards the three touches on your side. Even with a block touch, you can still "bump, set, spike".

[@brettervonkanada6102]

It doesn't make sense, Kageyama isn't petty at all. Also if he sees Hinata's potential, he also sees his own. Even if he was petty or jealous, objectively speaking, Hinata's potential is not even close to Kageyama's, the kid has all the skills almost maxed out as a high schooler, and works just as hard, so he wouldn't see Hinata as a threat at all. They compete because Kageyama is tedious and cannot forgive himself seeing somebody else work harder than him, that doesn't mean he feels threatened by what Hinata could do. If anything, it's the opposite, he underestimates Hinata's ability to imporve and thinks he can't do what he's trying in such a short time, and gets angry because he feels Hinata's ambitions are selfish, but can't communicate that properly. I do agree however that Kageyama is in the wrong because having a larger arsenal is just better especially facing teams that you know have blocked your quick before, and he's also not having enough faith in Hinata. It was actually Yuekai's responsibility to notice that they need more options sooner, and started practicing already before they went to train in Tokyo.

[@hntamim2722]

17:05 Talk about a conspiracy theory 😂

[@dh5363]

I think they fought each other out of "guilt" and desire to be better. Hinata felt guilty that the quick-attack doesn't work because he wasn't good enough and had to rely on someone else; Kageyama felt guilty that his set wasn't good to put Hinata in a better position to beat the opponent's blocks and he feels he needs to improve to set better and Hinata doesn't need to change but just does what Kageyama gives him. Both of them individually took responsibility for the team's loss, both desire to improve themselves individually to help the team, but therefore both were a bit egotistical for thinking that way and not communicating and work together. So the fight is basically a way for them to communicate.

[@ZaberFangAT]

Yeah, sorry Carlie, but I don't think that your theory was the case at all. Both of them want Hinata to be his best, they just have different ideas of how that's going to happen. Hinata wants to double down on his 'ultimate attack', Kageyama thinks he needs to diversify his focus and work on his other skills (receiving, blocking, etc)

[@Drake.Pendragon]

I wish these reactions to Haikyuu would be uploaded more often, i love them so much !

[@samsaumaralikhan]

At this point in time, as a player, Hinata has nothing on his own. You can say he has his agility but its only useful because of Kageyama. Whereas if other players play in other teams they can stand on their own but would the same be with Hinata. Thats why he’s trying to improve. Because realistically they’re not gonna be playing together forever.

[@andrespinanez5327]

Ange is right, because Hinata suck at everything in volleyball, he can't serve, block and receive without hitting his face, he is just good at jumping and have good athletism, hinata trying to improve he's offensive skills in something that they (Kageyama and the team), already know is hard to improve overnight (because of the speed of the sets, the practice match with Nekoma in S1 show that), instead of improve his defensive skills and overall the BASICS of volleyball is what upsets Kageyama, and he would jeopardize the teams rhythm and atmosphere

[@saitouyakumo8959]

i always enjoy Ange's cover..🔥🔥

[@donbonnersangma]

I'll just say this, I agree with Ange.

[@anasthebest]

I was waiting for you both to react to this amazing episode 😊

[@GavinFox2028]

Hey, hey, hey, been waiting, appreciate the drop guys ❤😊😃

[@Kurara-bc7qb]

In this episode the one whos selfish was Hinata bcs he want to be strong enough to compete by him self, and Kageyama is concern if they have to perfecting theirs special quick set up attack with Hinata closing his eyes with believe in Kageyama (its actually almost impossible in real life volleyball) or they making new special quick set up attack with hinata stop closing his eyes in full control (this is even more impossible), actually Kageyama's plan to perfecting the old quick attack and perfecting the teams balance make more sense than Hinata's plan cuz if they chose Hinata's selfish plan that is pretty much impossible thing to do in real life volleyball and then they never made it until the tournamen then they f-ed up.

[@卡稱-p6e]

It's like everyone is working on shooting, dribbling and footwork, and this super athletic guy on your team keeps telling you "Give me the ball, we can't win without my epic dunks!" Come on! You can't even dribble and shoot properly.

[@gallem7029]

I believe kageyama puts winning over everything which is why the fight sucks because Hinata believes that him being able to fight on his own is the only way they can keep getting better to win and Kageyama sees it as the opposite. They both want to be the best they can be to win no matter what and this time it's caused conflict instead of being on the same page

[@rozagriffin7940]

The argument between Hinata and Kageyama is same as the point of Coach Nekomata. Team Stability or remaining as they are for the Spring tournament (just working on their current play) vs Individual growth (as you guys say being greedy) to the point that it may tip off their current sync as a team. I don't necessary see it as Kageyama wanting to hold back Hinata because that would mean he hasn't changed at all as opposed to how he was in middle school (not giving a care for his team mates), I think this is Kageyama shedding his middle school ways and starting to pay attention to his team as a whole.

[@Bakanekokun]

I believe there are athletes out there that are self- centered and believes that the whole team should serve as their personal platforms. I also believe there also many others out there who would subconsciously hinder their partner because they are complacent in the status quo and fear being left behind. But I stand by the fact that I agree that this isn’t Kageyama’s personality. However, I stand by Hinata’s stance. The only way the team has won sets is having the quick perfectly executed. Even the quick fake with Asahi depends on the quick’s execution. 8 out of 9 sets lost during those practice games. Even toward end of the 9th, the quick was already wearing down its effectiveness. So if they can’t improve on something that the team relies on scoring points then it is still the same as taking the two of them out of the team when they go against team of higher caliber or teams they have played against who have by then develop a counter to that quick in the Spring Tourney. They will be knocked out the first round so fast that the time and that effort Hinata would have made to solidify his foundation would go down the wayside.

[@MarkTheShadow]

It works out well for this situation but majority of the time in real life, even athletes who reacted to this show, leans more on Kageyama than Hinata.

[@FroYo1305]

I understand at this point of time Hinata does need to focus on his serves, blocks and receives. But to be honest it was shown in the show itself that Karasuno without kageyama and hinata lost all the 8 sets in the training camp before they both arrived. That means their attack played a huge role in winning their first ever set on their 9th set of training camp. But if that attack is stopped by stronger teams they will never win against those teams on national stage. So at this point of time without spoiling the future development of players at training camp, Hinata wanting to get better at his attack is way more important that working on his serves, blocks, receives.

[@mukulkansara1907]

I always find it fascinating that Kageyama trying to be better in season 1 and japordizing team was seen as bad and hinata trying to be better over his team is seen as good or at least represented in show as necessary and not in such a bad light. For me I think I agree with Ange that greed is an essential element of top players. Only distinction I could think of is Kageyama wanted team to win and wanted them to evolve to his level because he knew that this is not enough to beat top teams in middle school also for his own selfish reason(not so selfish if you think about it as he also wanted to compete at nationals and this is his frustration for being best but not getting chance to play at national just because of the nature of the team sport) while Hinata is not trying to better the team by but he wanted it for himself than anything else. The other reason I could think of is that setter are not point scorers but the strikers are and for strikers to be the best they need to be greedy or have a sufficiently big ego to take charge in difficult situation and do not hesitate when competition gets tough or stakes are high. They need to make the final choice and other players are sort of away from limelight. Similar to any other team sports there are star players and others are supporting characters I mean those who score points get all the limelight and others need to chill and be more team spirit to let go of the limelight. If you think about any team sports think about the top players almost always the point scorers.

[@ArtesMatt]

How can Kageyama be being selfish if he's thinking about the team? Hinata is thinking about himself, as he risks training only his attack, with important championships coming up. Hinata compromises the team by failing to train the basics (where he still fails) defense and serving. I think this is a point where the show shows us that selfishness is good sometimes and the selfish one is clearly Hinata. Egoism is not stopping people from doing what they want without criticism, eogism is precisely wanting something and not caring about others. Carlie shouldn't smoke wee before reacts. ahhahah

[@unnirajac8617]

His selfishness is good in this case because he wants to be better to beat strong opponents not for his personal growth alone. What’s the use of being a second fiddle to the setter all his career. He cannot grow. His decision to explore more was absolutely correct. That is why Kageyama also improved a lot. Kagayema was wrong in interpreting that he cannot play according to Hinata because he doubted his own talent.

[@windrunner617]

Yeah sorry but Carlie missed on this one lol. There’s just know way Kageyama is that petty. We’ve seen plenty of time that he wants to beat strong opponents. He did hunt down oikawa and break his knees in because he better than him. Kageyama wants Hinata to get better, just by working on his other weak areas like serving and receiving.

[@joaniewwh3502]

i'm quite surprised with carlie's take on the hinata-kageyama fight. but this has been posted 6 months ago so i'm sure it's already clearer now... hahaha i never got the kageyama-jealous-of-hinata in any way even when i first watched haikyuu.

[@TimothyGod]

This is such a divisive moment for the series, most people are still pretty 50/50 on who's right, because they both make really good points. It's also really hard because of what Hinata says, his last team was a group of friends, but kags is his first partner, so this really hurts him. They both are right, hinata cant keep coasting, but kags is right because the timing is bad, and there's more Hinata can work on at the moment

[@kinuuni]

When you are danish and you are once again reminded that people just about everywhere else in the world are really freaking tiny.

[@alvinhebbert]

kageyama and hinata complement each other very well. hinata athleticism allows kageyama to do the super quick attack that he couldnt do with any other spiker he had played with. kageyama doesnt want to hold hinata back he feels the timing is bad to try to switch up how hinata has been doing his attacks with eyes close because the prelims is only 1 month away. he will rather have hinata work on his serves and receives for right now because he feels their offense attacks runs smoothly as it is right now. that is why he feels hinata is being selfish because he is not working on parts of his game that he is really poor at but he is focused on how to be a better attacker.

[@affable8696]

Carlie on that treacherous Vizier vibe in the discussion LMFAO

[@Nilettzzz]

De mi experiencia viendo varias de sus reacciones en el canal, me he fijado en que... Ange tiene más facilidad de entender y comprender a los personajes "complicados" y Carlie a los personajes más "sencillos" 🤔

[@vrooosh]

21:38 Ange you are spot on. Cant wait for you to watch Blue Lock. (soccer anime thats a whole different vibe from haikyuu)

[@dichotomusprime6646]

Yeah, I think Ange has got it here. As for why... it's spoilers, and we'll see it addressed as the season goes on. But yeah. I don't think Kageyama is ever the kind to intnetionally sabotage someone else getting better, as much as right now he sees Hinata as a tool for him to utilize, rather than his own, independent player. It's kind of the same thing that happened with Tsukki in the Seijoh match when he was subtlely directing where he thought Tsukishima should spike the ball. But Tsukki clocked that shit, told him to cut it out, and that "you're not the only one on the team thinking". Kageyama's coimpetitive focus is one of his great attributes as an athlete, but he loses the forest for the trees in that sometimes.

[@ruru3609]

Kageyama prioritizes the team. In this case, it's true that Hinata is causing trouble.

[@melinadesh]

i think kageyama was right.. the prelims are so close and all hinata cares about is himself and him being on the court. i get that he wants to improve but at a time like this? hell nah. he is not even an attack player, he's a damn middle blocker. he sucks at serving and receiving. he should focus on his basic skills instead of trying to be like ushiwaka and score every single damn point. scoring is not even the main responbility of a middle-blocker:(

[@unnirajac8617]

It was actually a good decision right ? There is no better time to improve for Hinata than this. If he doesn’t take the extra step now he would always be a second fiddle to Kageyama all his life. His decision to be better made Kageyama even better so Hinata was not wrong in making this decision. His goal has always been to become an ace not a middle blocker. His craving for success and individual development is what keeps him going forward. Same way Kageyama has his ways of being better right ? Would he try to change his goal for others. Absolutely not he just understood that his way of achieving goal is not the right way whereas Hinata’s way of achieving success make sense therefore he doesn’t need to change it.

[@noona9193]

"163, that's so short" while me 158 watching and smiling thro the tears 🤣🤣🤣 (no offence taking)

[@hachi1404]

What I have respect for Hinata is that he doesn't care his height too much. He feels so envious about other tall players, but he already stated that he would do all what he could do with his belongings in Season 1. Frankly saying I feel sad a bit everytime he is called "shrimp" since he is still taller than the average height of Japanese adult woman at least... and I am smaller than Hinata like Carlie!

[@alexkardel1]

You have to be greedy in order to advance in sports either on a team or solo and you have to seek the best ones in the field too

[@BlackCat0497]

Carlie has no hope in Kageyama, he's just a traumatized baby who doesn't understand that others can also improve and take responsibility for what goes wrong and what goes right.

[@dharveshbeedasee5468]

Love your ❤❤😊😊vids

[@xxdarkdustxx5015]

I have to say one thing.... Takeda needs to get MVP sometime. I just love that guy and would have given him MVP so many times but you never even once consider him XD But I'm ok with coach Ukai as the MVP today, he was also amazing :)

[@cookiemonster6468]

Just here to reconfirm that Carlie's read on Kageyama is awful. My boy doesn't want to stop Hinata from growing, he was simply telling him to focus on his lousy receiving, serving, and blocking - not on something that they may not even be able to pull off until the next tournament.

[@unnirajac8617]

They were able to pull it off right ? So hinata was right.

[@byronnakatsuka3585]

Carlie's hard read is too hard a read 😂

[@carlarojas1691]

Kageyama does want Hinata to get better, more than anyone else in fact but he is right in saying that there is no time to learn new things that are practically impossible for any player and that can affect the team. He's also right in telling Hinata that instead of a new attack, he should get better at serving, receiving, blocking etc. because he's practically bad at doing all of that. Hinata is also right, he should look for a new way to play because everyone is adapting to the quick attack, in fact that's what the training camp is for, to give themselves the opportunity to do new things so yes, both are right. Now the thing here is that they are both teenagers and they should have had an adult talk to them in a good way to come to an agreement, but Coach Ukai is completely new to coaching a team and he, like Suga, just thought that the best thing for the team was what Kags said because he wasn't wrong either.

[@astralkiss4089]

Even when im bias to Hinata, i never seen Kageyama as the "bad" person in this scene. They both have different view on what should be done. But ofc Hinata triggered change to happen and that is what needed because they are not gonna be able to beat Seijoh and Shiratorizawa with how their team are now. S2 is bittersweet and climatic. I still love it. Kageyama is more prideful than Hinata at this time. I'm not saying him being confident in his own skills is bad, i'm saying it's a double-edged sword. They will have a hard time accepting a change or open up to change, while Hinata knows he's weaker than his teammates atm, which is why he WANTS to change so that he doesn't bring his team down. Hinata's character development is no joke around this season. He will be changing a lot of his bad habits and actually start to become a proper player. Kageyama's character development, Hinata plays a big part in it. I wanna say more but AH i cant be spoiling. I'll be back lol.

[@exodia_right_leg]

Dang did not think that I was taller than Ange

[@21BearPapa]

Kageyama stated from the start that he sees Hinata as a rival but right now they are in the same side as the court. I think Kageyama is unconsciously wanting to be the only one to on the court the most. I mean I get that he said that he wanted Hinata to practice Serves, Recieves and such, but the only reason Hinata is in the regulars during this season is that he is the only one that can spike Kageyama's best set. But the only statement that I didn't agree with is that Hinata's will is not important in the quick. Setters don't really see what spikers see the moment that they are on the top of their jump, preparing to spike. The apex of the jump is usually when a player decides to either spike it with full force or go with a feint. Or decide which direction the ball goes to. Kageyama's statement of Hinata's will not being important is sort of limiting Hinata's abilities. In terms of the writing, this is amazing. The only reason everyone is arguing about the fight is that no one is showing their real intentions. Like, we don't actually know what Kageyama what is thinking fully so everyone argues the reason why he didn't like to help Hinata. There are indications for both sides , Kageyama wanting to be the better than Hinata, and Kageyama just focusing on what works before the tournament.

[@Bell043]

I love Hinata to death, but to be blunt, Hinata right now is an ass volleyball player. His serves suck, he can't recieves right and his block is nearly non-exist. Even his spike was still weak, Seijoh better leave him no block and let thier libero soloed him in some situation. Kageyama was almost the sole reason for Hinata to got his chance in the court. And now instead of taking time to improve all those skill he lacks, Hinata decided to go for a new flashy move and take a risk of ruined his FreakQuick, the only thing that he good at. I should be on Kageyama side, if this is real life. But this is anime and they gave us Hinata's POVs, so we knew this sunny boy is cooking something important.

[@kita_no_ryuu]

oh, this discussion makes me really curious how they would've reacted to blue lock

[@rixongreen2449]

i always thought they would start to plan the trajectory of the ball like plan for a cut shot a one touch and so so hinata aims his arm a certain direction that woulda been cool

[@Teib_21]

This comment pretty much explains the fight. (Not from me) Basically the whole Hinata and Kageyama quick in the first season was all Kageyama’s work. Hinata was nothing more than just a weapon for him to use. However, in season 2 after being blocked by Aoba Johsai and others, Hinata realized that the quick needed to evolve and he needed to choose how to hit. With his eyes open, Hinata is able to aim his hits to avoid hitting into the block as well as giving him the ability to make decisions instead of literally blindly swinging at the ball. Kageyama, however, knew that Hinata would be too distracted by the ball to actually pull this off, that’s why they had he whole argument that they should be improving attacks that they already can do instead of wasting time practicing ones that they don’t know they can pull off.

[@shadowfront21]

Sure its already been said, but I agree with Ange here. I get the vibe that Carlie is picking up on, because Kageyama's social skills are severely lacking, but there are several clues that I think reveal his true motives. Ultimately, I think they both want the same thing, to make the team better, but they just disagree about how to do it. I honestly think, though I dont see it as totally selfish, Hinata's motives are more selfish than Kageyama's. Hinata is concerned about the quick getting stopped, but also worried because that is currently the only thing that makes him relevant to the team. He doesnt serve or receive well, so if the quick isnt working, he doesnt bring anything to the table, outside of intagible things. Kageyama, on the other hand, is confident enough in his own abilities that he believes he can make the quick work enough in its current iteration, that it will still be a valuable weapon. From his perspective, changing the quick now, when they are so close to the tournament, will not have as much impact on their success as Hinata getting better at serves/receives would. I definitely dont believe Kageyama just wants to be the best. To be honest, he never really had that mentality. He always wanted to win above all else, he just believed that his way was the best way to accomplish that.

[@Stasia.Chronos-stasis]

Kageyama was concerned about winning n the winning combo..changing it just prior to a major tournament was the issue for him…n everyone was concerned about hinata’s that will to improve at this stage here..Ange is right n I think Carlie realized it later in the series

[@renaldiniolol9409]

sadly haikyuu wont have season 5 :(

[@TheBatmanWhoReacts]

Probably my favourite episode this season…still Team Hinata

[@sakura-uk8rj]

was enjoying your reactions (however minor mistakes u guys had before) up until this episode and it genuinely shocked me how anyone could watch the entire season 1 and a bit of season 2 and come to a conclusion that kageyama is a nasty manipulative and malicious character. coming from east, he's widely regarded as the most polite, and respectful character who can genuinely do no wrong and i know the western peoples perception of him can be quite different, i didn't think it would be this bad. carlie taking the "as long as i'm here, you're invincible" line as something negative should've been my first sign of how off u would be abt a very honest character like kageyama. Even in middle school when he had a fight with his team, kageyama had never displayed any malicious intent towards anyone. When his team went against hinata's team, literally everyone looked down on hinata except kageyama, cuz he's the type of guy to never put anyone down. I know I'm late to this reaction and i know other people have already mentioned countless times how wrong u are but it really did put me off of ur reactions. Have a great day, i hope u do enjoy haikyuu as it's a very amazing series !!!!

[@Nilettzzz]

Totalmente de acuerdo contigo!👍

[@zorobhai777]

Hey hey hey

[@jonathan0225]

While Carlie was off, i think her point might be a valid interpretation if we didn't know what we already know which essentially adds to the tension before this conflict resolves. that Greed title can definitely be for both Hinata and Kageyama.

[@nshippudennaruto2814]

I cried the first time I saw them fight like this cause I’m very attached to them ! But I understand hinata completely!

[@roxyy_amethyst]

You guys shld check out the real life National teams when your done reacting!

[@destinsuggs5265]

Hold up what did Hinata do wrong at any point? The team doesn’t need some kind of stability and the author tells u that directly through Necoma’s coach. The only issue Hinata has done throughout this process was to realize that a team revolves around the strongest unit. He and Kagayama are the entire team no doubt. To greedily proclaim “ur hunger won’t be denied” is what makes an ace. The failure in that moment was Asahi even letting it get to that point. He makes up for it later but a true ace would never allow any doubt who’s ball that was. I genuinely have no idea how so many people come off with the idea that Hinata didn’t arrive at the answer right before everyone else. Even Diachi and the other players realize this had to happen. It sucks they ran into each other but that is obviously on Asahi. Also, Hinata was right about the quick evolution being needed and that is even less debatable. The only reason it worked to this point was surprise factor. Any team that sees it a few times, stops it. You guys can usually read the story better than this.

[@srishti7681]

Although i understand kageyama's perspective of not wanting the team to be affected, I feel like they really need to take a risk and let hinata grow. The quick attack is one of their trump cards but as we saw a lot of ppl are already blocking it so if they don't evolve it am pretty sure they will lose in the third round again because the spring tournament is supposed to be harder than inter high.

[@friedhotwings]

Surprised you guys didn’t say Yachi as the mvp

[@giannenivera2329]

i can never rewatch this episode i cant stand seeing them so angry at each other ☹️

[@thedeeplestofyoursoul]

Remeber an episode before, Carlie said somewhat like, so, Hinata can't really do anything without Kageyama right? Yes, it is a point rn, at least in Hinata's point of view.

[@realpapadoge]

How can Carlie be so wrong

[@Tristan_Novak]

"that's not healthy" women thinking they understand men at all is jokes 😂 my brother, my closest friends, and i have fought like this a few times and we genuinely end up closer each time, women could really never understand us and it's never more apparent than when they react that way about our relationships, when they can't even fckn remain friends for longer than a couple months/years... ☠️

[@gingybun]

Actually kageyama’s intention was very clearly vocalised. I understand carlie was trying to read a bit more into it, in between the lines or a bold guess, which is fair as a viewer… but personally, I disagree 😅

[@gemelwalters2942]

Carlie is right but it's not that Kageyama is maliciously doing it, it's more that he has a bit of an ego as the setter and that is blinding him from seeing Hinata's argument. He still believes he knows what's best for the team but that's not what a setter is supposed to do. He's supposed create the opportunity for them to excel in whatever way they decide to play. He's not meeting Hinata half way

[@shiny_wb]

After watching Kageyama all this time, that's what you think about Kageyama, Carlie? That's so far off the mark. Really, I'm disappointed.