Cessna C172 - refresher training: emergency landing and short field landing!

[@MarkSlatter]

Watching the instructor hover his hand over the yoke made me smile. I wanted to say, "Do you know who this guy is?" I could take a nap in an emergency descent with Guido at the controls! Great content as always sir, and I know the instructor was just doing his job =)

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi mark, an instructor carries a lot of responsibility and flies a lot with rather inexperienced pilots. The student rips off the nose gear on a bad landing and who is responsible: the instructor. I was great fun to fly with Alfred and I learned a lot. Like I do on every flight. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@Hawk006]

Guido is the one to watch if you want to learn to fly with precision.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you John. I learn on EVERY flight too. happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@adrianwilliams763]

I learnt to fly in the 1980’s. I wish KZbin was a thing in those days. I have learnt so much from the channels such as this, would have made the learning process soooo much easier (and safer). Cheers for the time and effort to upload these videos. So informative.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Adrian, The good thing was that Avgas was a lot cheaper... Happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@oziflyer]

I echo this comment, except for me it was the 70's 😊Excellent video, as always.

[@walterwillis6731]

I will never fly anything more than X-Plane, but I’ve read a lot. I *always* learn something from you, Captain. It’s nice to see how it’s really done. Be safe and well.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

I have x-plane 11 too and start to use it more extensively for training. Just bought a G1000 stack from Realsimgear. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@keegincolby1094]

@@GuidoWarnecke I'm myself

[@6Sally5]

After achieving my instrument certification, I stopped flying way back in the early 80’s….just got to be too expensive. I flew mostly 150s and 172s. Watching this certainly brought back many memories. I honestly believe I could safely take off and land right now. It’s just the electronics have advanced so far, I might as well try to fly the space shuttle! Thanks for the memories, sir!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You are very welcome Alan. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@Godzilla032]

The old ones are still the same, you should get back into a 172 😊

[@Armandoluis20]

I didn't want the video to end, it was wonderful to watch.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you very much Itamar. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@bens.8943]

Hallo Guido, Wiedermal sehr schönes Video. Aber solche Trainings sind immer notwendig. Danke dass wir dabei sein durften.😉👍

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Vielen Dank Ben! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@jimmyjim7858]

this channel has been such a big help in my journey! My checkride for instrument is next week!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Best of luck for the checkride Jimmy. Please keep me posted. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@BarelyAwake]

Great to see another video. It's good to see that even an experienced pilot like you still gets refreshers now and again.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Ken. Repetitive, thorough training is the best safety device. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@noahg5000]

Excellent demonstration of airmanship & high quality instruction. I like how he called out the checklist and Mr. W was so sharp. Nice work!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Noah. Every aircraft is flown constantly safer by using a checklist, even if it is just a simple one. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@aileronsintowind6835]

I love the fact you keep going back to see Alfred.. although the 172 has changed quite a bit since you did some mountain flying with Alfred :)

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Aviation is a never ending leaning process. Best wishes for 2023 and always HAPPY LANDINGS, Capt. Guido

[@David-ec5yg]

Klasse! Guido seit langem mal wieder auf EDMA. Ein sehr schöner kleiner Flughafen auf dem ich immer gern geflogen bin als ich meinen PPL gemacht habe. Und Alfred ist auch wieder dabei gewesen. Danke für das Video! Always Happy landings!!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Kleine Fliegerwelt, David. Alfred ist ein klasse instructor! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@GuardedDragon]

I am training for PPL in Canada and that forced landing figure looked a little familiar! It is in my flight training manual. Thank you for the demo! It is always easier to retain concepts on the ground I find. :)

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Best of luck for your flight training! I got my initial PPL at CYXE and later instrument rating at CYHU and CYLZ. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@adamschwartzberg5238]

Always exciting to see an upload from you - thank you for sharing another fantastic video with us!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Adam. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@theflyingfool]

Nice work Cpt! It's interesting to see a spiral forced landing technique. I'm trained to do a circuit type approach with only high & low key.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

It was new for me too Steve. I did my initial PPL training in Canada. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@mohamedkhalifa2597]

The infallible German know-how! Thanks for sharing Captain!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You are very welcome! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@TheRealRoch108]

great work as always Capitan!!! You motivated me to head to the airport today (day off) for some procedure reviews. Thanks for the great videos as always!!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

A day at the airport is always time well spent... Enjoy! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@robhenderson4454]

Always an excellent video and commentary on the proper way to execute Farias phases of flight thank you

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Rob! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@berndalmstedt5060]

Nice advertorial... ;-) Greetings to the FI passenger in the right seat! Hope he had a great scenic flight... :-D

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank your Bernd. As a pilot, you never should stop learning, irrespective of previous experience and flight hours. Especially myself, as I rarely fly single engine piston aircraft. Complacency is a high risk factor. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@berndalmstedt5060]

@@GuidoWarnecke Absolutely true but you are not showing any decrease in SEP abilities whatsoever. 😁

[@fishhisy]

If your gopro is set to accept line level audio, you might reduce or eliminate some of the static noise.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

I record ATC on a different channel, there is always a lot of background noise. I have to improve on that. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@bibrakc]

I guess this is your currency check ride for 172. Nice that we have this system in aviation where thr professional and skilled also have to be current. Happy landings.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

I do not have a German license at the moment, do this was just a general "refresher". Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@EduLei]

Excellent!! 👏Thanks for sharing ✈

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You are very welcome! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@bgsancho]

Professional as always. Thanks for sharing

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you very much Stanimir. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@sander8928]

Excellent landings! I did like the commentary too, helpful. Soon I'll have another lesson in the C172 too, looking forward to it.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you! All the best for your flight training. Please keep me posted on the progress. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@McBrunesky]

Always learning (or, as I like to say, Semper In Doctrina). Mr Warnecke... bravo!!! As I told you some time ago, you represent a special way of inspiration and motivation. Thanks again, my friend 👍

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you very much for your kind words. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@김파일럿]

I’ve trained california and still flying as a instructor in south korea. i’ve never seen high key maneuver. its interesting!!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

It was new to me as well! It is not used in the USA. Greetings to S Korea. I delivered several aircraft to Gimpo. Fly safe! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@johnathanasiou9284]

Awesome video including approach & landing Captain Guido. We always learn something from you & definitely entertained at the same time. Send our regards to Alfred & the teams there. May you always be really safe, well & happy landings! Tschuss from Australia

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you John. I will pass you message to Alfred. Greetings to Australia & Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@bernardanderson3758]

Professional Pilot as always sir

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Bernard. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@pilot_musti4912]

Wie immer ein tolles Video! Würde mich auch über LehrFlüge mit der PA28 freuen ✈️

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Vielen Dank. Die PA28 (in allen Varianten) habe ich bis jetzt nur selten geflogen. Happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@capndave8474]

Thanks for another terrific video Guido. Normally seeing you fly higher-performance aircraft it was interesting to see this recurrent training in a 172. Cheers, looking forward to the next vid.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You are very welcome! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@guidosuez6059]

I’m currently working on my PPL in Canada on a 172 and it’s interesting to watch this video and see how our procedures/pre landing flow checks are slightly different. Love your videos and it’s not easy to find someone with the same name as me! Hoping I get to your level of skill and experience some day!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Guido! Best of luck for your flight training. I obtained my first PPL at Saskatoon and further ratings at Montreal and Toronto. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@eeprom34]

As always,interesting video We learn & understand each time Thank you

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You are very welcome! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@noahg5000]

And the handshake was legit!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Indeed! Thank for watching my videos Noah & Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@patrickshea-simonds5827]

Thank you - another really useful video

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You are very welcome Patrick. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@mikeboring2172]

Great video, Captain Guido! I always enjoy seeing your posts.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Mike! Happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@ota2012]

Always learning something new with you, thanks.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you! I learn on every flight also. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@w_booysen]

I'm sure you can teach on this blindfolded! Thanks for sharing always love your videos Capt!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Werner. I need to train as any other pilot to stay current and safe. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@nothing1421]

It's interesting to see you use the Hdg knob on the PFD; I always reach for the one on the MFD.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You have a good point here, I am right handed too. Never thought about that. Happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@hugoviens4540]

On short field landings, we usually learn to raise the flaps to help the braking process. I saw you didn't do it, any particular reason?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Hugo, you have a good point here. I fly a lot of retractable landing gear aircraft and there you should not touch the flap lever during landing roll out. As long as it is properly briefed you are able to increase your braking action with flaps up. On the other hand you have less aerodynamic braking... We slowed down to taxi speed with minimum braking within 300m. Thanks for your comment & Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@aileronsintowind6835]

When I did my power off training the other month Guido I beat myself up for not being as smooth as I would of normally. My instructor said something to me which really hit home in my post flight de brief. “ in a real world engine out situation you have one shot to get yourself home safe.. you put the aircraft down with a positive attitude and in as safe a place as you can find and that’s it.. stuff anything else and fly the plane.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Your instructor is right! We do not know how we react when the engine fails "for real". What we can do is to train regularly and learn how the aircraft behaves and how far it can glide. I would rather stay on the "high and fast" side, even if I hit a fence at say 20 knots at the end of a landing field. The alternative, running out of energy and stall the airplane or hit a tree with 50 knots might not be survivable. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@aileronsintowind6835]

He also told me not to worry about the plane.. it’s broken the insurance company own it but you have to be around to tell them it wasn’t you who broke it 😂

[@Godzilla032]

Thankyou for the video Guido. They are always very informative. I recently completed my PPL and have just started to study for CPL 😬

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you! Congrats on the PPL and best of luck for the CPL and any other license and rating to follow.. Please keep me posted. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@thomasnuler9612]

It was a great surprise to see this excellent video created on KJ together with Alfred. I hope that more members of the FVM subscribe to Your channel. Are you more often in EDMA? Thanks for the Video, Thomas (D-EPMG)

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Vielen Dank Thomas. Ich bin ab und zu in EDMA bei AAS. Vor ein paar Monaten habe ich dort eine King Air abgeholt und nach USA gebracht. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@marcelob.5300]

Very nice.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Marcelo. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@kevsseo4007]

It is surreal to see the airport and the aircraft I am getting trained in from your channel that I watch ;) I will be doing emergency and short field landing training in EDMJ with ETKJ in few days and really cool to see how someone experienced is nailing it. I also heard how great and experienced Alfred as an instructor with many amazing tips and tricks. If you have a chance and time, it would be cool to have a video of you flying through the Alps like LOWZ. The scenery is real nice there and it is fairly close from EDMA.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Another example how small the aviation world is... Best of success for you training. Please keep me posted not he progress. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@hugomelo4898]

very good sr

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Hugo! Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@tds456]

I'm not familiar with the airfield but it looks like for the final turn you had noise abatement due to the houses on centre line? The power off landing was so smooth I only noticed it on the second one where you can see what looks like lighting to highlight the left turning path too?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

All German airports are noise sensitive. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@Dandanblackstyle]

Very Nice video, cmte! Ótimo vídeo , comandante! Bons voos!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you - muito obrigado Danielson. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@I_M_Nonno]

For an emergency engine out shouldn't you be aiming for midfield to ensure you make the field?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Gary, Difficult judgement. You don’t want to either undershoot or overshoot your target landing zone. I rather stay on the higher side and dissipate altitude with side slip or s-turns. This is why we should practice and train. We all get rusty. Engines are too reliable… Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@mauricioamado5975]

Hi Guido, fantastic video as always! Do you know if there is a type of scholarship in Berlin for new pilots given by the German state?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Mauricio, I do not know of there is any government support int hat matter in Germany. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@mauricioamado5975]

@@GuidoWarnecke Okay Capt. Thanks for your kindness

[@GuidoWarnecke]

@@mauricioamado5975 Best of luck for your flying career. Work hard and the sly is the limit. Happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@markor2476]

How/where does one learn the very professional normal operating procedures that you employ so well in all your flying?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Marko, everyone can learn flying. It requires discipline, time and the willing to continuously learn. Happy Landings, Capt. Guidoi

[@markor2476]

@@GuidoWarnecke Yes but unless I create my own SOPs I can't find any anywhere. Or is that what you did? Thanks!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

@@markor2476 If you follow the POH, you are always on the safe side. Also common sense prevails. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@markor2476]

@@GuidoWarnecke Roger

[@robinfloyd1366]

Great video👍, however I was surprised that you needed refresher training as with your experience I’m sure you could fly a Cessna blindfolded?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Robin. The pilot who thinks to know it all is a candidate for the next accident to happen. Training is essential. I learn on EVERY flight. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@ChrisB257]

Another super informative video Guido - I can't see you getting 'rusty' any time soon. Regards. :)

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you Chris. Nothing beats repetitive training. Happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@clintonandrews1538]

Guido, quick question: on a large business jet, e.g. Falcon 900, do the emergency instructions cover rapid descent after sudden depressurization? If the airplane is on normal cruise speed at F.L. 45.0 and sudden depressurization occurs, after grabbing their oxygen masks, do the crew reach for the emergency procedures section of the operator's manual before beginning an emergency descent? Or is this something the flight crew has committed to memory prior to takeoff?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Clinton, I don’t fly the F900 but the CJ4, also to FL450 Due to the limited time available, the emergency descent is die based on memory items. Once at safe altitude the actions are verified with a checklist. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@pinkdispatcher]

Nice. So far I've only flown all sorts of low-wings, but will probably get a checkout in a 172 soon. Leaning in the climb is pretty unusual; was the density altitude so high that it was already below 75% power at full throttle? Or are there different procedures for this model?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

I only adjusted the fuel flow slightly. The fuel injected C172 runs very rich with the mixture full forward. Airport elevation at EDMA is 1,500ft. At a OAT of 20C this corresponds to a density altitude of 2,500ft. One should always run engine rich at high power settings. There is not benefit in running excessively rich though. The contrary: power is degraded. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@pinkdispatcher]

@@GuidoWarnecke Thanks for the reply. I guess with a digital engine monitor one can adjust mixture very carefully without risking damage to the engine.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

@@pinkdispatcher that is correct.

[@camsmeltzer9388]

So a forward slip all the way throughout the descent?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

That is correct. Alternatively you can loose altitude with S-turns or wider circles. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@camsmeltzer9388]

@@GuidoWarnecke Thank you for the video and clarification.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

@@camsmeltzer9388 Only my pleasure!

[@fliegergruppegiengen]

You are welcome at our beloved airfield every time to do a „real“ short field training!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Gerne! 515m hätte gereicht... Ich war dort noch nie. Der Platz sieht sehr schön und gepflegt aus! Vielleicht komme ich mal mit einer PC12. Der RP gibt sicher eine Genehmigung. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@fliegergruppegiengen]

@@GuidoWarnecke Bis 2500 kg MTOW sind wird zugelassen, mit PPR sind 5700 kg möglich. Fällt da die PC12 noch rein? Wir hatten schon AN2, Beech Traveller, Stearman, C313, Bonanza TP...

[@GuidoWarnecke]

@@fliegergruppegiengen ja die PC12 ist darunter.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

@@fliegergruppegiengen Muss das Regierungspraesidium die Genehmigung geben? In EDFG hat dies EUR 100 gekostet and den RP Darmstadt foer 3 Landingen in einer King Air 90.

[@fliegergruppegiengen]

@@GuidoWarnecke Nein, solange du unter 5700 kg bleibst, dürfen wir es entscheiden.

[@PEPcessna]

What airport is this btw? Also loved the video!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you! The airport is EDMA Augsburg, Germany. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@murutaine]

Hi on the first stop n go is it zero flaps TO ?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

That is correct. Not much difference in a c172. Thanks for watching my videos in such great detail & Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@DoctorZaius]

Isn’t a 50 KIAS short field approach quite slow? I’ve always seen 60 KIAS.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Guillaume, for this aircraft and weight conditions, 50KIAS on short final is plenty above stall speed. In turbulent conditions one has to be careful though. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@piper0428]

I believe it was intended over thresh hole. I keep 55 kts. on final.

[@andreasv.damhaug5463]

Is it training ?

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Andreas, it is a refresher. Training of all sorts is good for ANY pilot, irrespective of experiences levels. Happy Landings, Captain. Guido

[@IslandSimPilot]

That instructor can't keep that right hand to himself. Kind of funny.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

An instructor carries a lot of responsibility. He also trains ab initial students on their first flight. Happy landings, Capt. Guido

[@IslandSimPilot]

@@GuidoWarnecke Yeah, I was more commenting that it is just in their nature to be cautious, no matter who they are flying with. Thanks for the great videos, Guido!

[@savageryflyer5391]

Adjusting fuel flow for climbin on a single engine without variable prop neither turbo or anything? lol

[@GuidoWarnecke]

This C172 has a fuel injected engine and definitely runs too rich under given conditions of this flight - full throttle climb out at higher density altitude. It is equipped with a fuel flow gauge and proper EGT gauges for all 4 cylinders. Proper mixture in the climb ensures best climb performance in this (rather underpowered) aircraft. Please explain your concerns and why do you ridicule this? Thanks. I have flown a lot in South Africa with density altitudes above 8,000ft. Without proper leaning techniques performance is significantly degraded. Dop you fly out of a sea level airport? Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@savageryflyer5391]

@@GuidoWarnecke That was a wonderful explanation i must say, really appreaciate it! Never go to bed without learning something new.

[@stephenwalker3072]

...CANNOT keep their hands off the controls while the "student" is still flying. You can see him nervously fingering the control column almost all the time! For goodness sake, Guido is incredibly experienced and this he doesn't need!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Stephen, Thanksgiving for your comment. An instructor carries a lot of responsibility. Alfred did everything right: he did not touch the controls or made any control inputs. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@ldmax]

50 kias is way too slow for a final approach speed in a 172S. Recommended is 61 kias. Dropping below 55 calls for an immediate go-around.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

You are certainly entitled to you opinion. In my opinion, most of the approaches in light aircraft are down way too fast, resulting in long landings, used up brakes, blown tires and runway overruns. Slow speed flying is safe as long as the aerodynamics are well understood and risks considered. I agree with you that the speed has to be adequate for the conditions and weight. Happy Landings, Capt. Guido

[@deanc.5984]

Argh!!! Flight instructors always want to keep there hands just above the controls tobtake over even when the "student" has 3x the hours & experience as a ATP! 😂🤣🙄🤔

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Hi Dean, the instructor is PIC on the flight and carries a lot of responsibility. Happy Landings, Capt, Guido