Cheating in Video Games

[@NocturnalFudj]

This is a reupload of the original "Cheating in Video Games" video uploaded on August 19th. I've decided to take down the original and reupload to amend some incorrect information as you'll see just over 11 minutes in. I had actually corrected said misinformation in the prior video via a pinned comment and on-screen card but I don't really feel like it was enough. It's very frustrating for me to have to do this because the video was doing quite well and having to reupload it in this manner is almost undoubtedly going to kill any chance it had of succeeding in the algorithm. Such are the consequences of such a mistake, oh well! For this reason, as I say during the disclaimer about 11 minutes in; watch time, retention, comments, likes and general stats etc. are more important to me than ever. There is of course no obligation but if you've already seen this video and decide to give it a watch all the way through again, that'd be hugely helpful to me and I'd be very thankful. Consequently if you missed the video the first time around then hey, here's your perfect chance! Sharing and just generally helping this video would really mean a lot to me, so thank you if you do so. Anyway, the song list in order of appearance is as follows; Tomb of the Ancients - Rayman 2 Bianco Hills - Super Mario Sunshine You're No Help - Silent Partner (the patented Fudj Theme Song, paws off) Kaer Morhen - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Jr Street - Mario Hoops: 3 on 3 Mirage Saloon Act 2 - Sonic Mania Fountain of Dreams - Super Smash Bros Melee Violet/Olivine City - Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal Evening Lake Home - Spyro 3: Greatest Hits/Spyro: Reignited Trilogy Your Sunset - Tekken Tag Tournament 2 Ocean Palace - Sonic Heroes Spagonia Night - Sonic Unleashed Galoob

[@mr.applejuice8546]

No problem man, what's important is being happy with what you put out

[@thelastgogeta]

No problem, boss. I'll watch this one too.

[@MattDustyParker]

I... literally was just watching the original. I mean actually! Did you take it down in the time span I was watching it? All of a sudden I couldnt like or comment and YT told me the video does not exist... fun times with Fudj. I choose to believe this was a terribly funny timing. Love the video, will give it another run later on just cause! You're inspiring. I love watching content creators develop their writing skills. Here's hoping I take the plunge soon and start writing. Cheers! From a 23 year old writing fan.

[@andrewpalmer1873]

It might not pay, but just know I am incredibly impressed with your moral compass. You didn’t have to do a re-upload, but you did. And I think you deserve probs for it. (Not video game related) I cant tell you how many times I seen people make mistakes and just not bother acknowledging the mistake. It infuriates me, especially when it relates to the dreaded word... politics. Anyway thank you for uploading again, just gives us another excuse to rewatch the video in the end, so win-win.

[@NocturnalFudj]

@@andrewpalmer1873 Thanks so much, I really appreciate this

[@Cynidecia]

Nintendo: " *You will* play as we intend or you- wait where are you going WHY ARE YOU EMULATING and MODDING-POLICE POLICE HELP!" Valve: "Here's this stuff to do as you please, just don't cheat to other people's Detriment in multiplayer. Thanks and have fun!"

[@legendofsonic3979]

Nintendo: NOOOO YOU CANT PIRATE A GAME WE MADE 30 YEARS AGO THAT WE NEVER RE-RELEASED!! THATS ILLEGAL!!! ValvE: You pirated our game? Guess it wasn't easily available to you. Our bad.

[@paracovo]

Nintendo: Ohhh... so you love our games and want to make more stuff like it? [cocks gun] Valve: Damn, this "Counter-Strike" mod is sick. Let's hire these kids to make it into a standalone game.

[@savageo6495]

I, a Tf2 enjoyer, feel deeply insulted by the idea that Valve cares about cheating.

[@kerbonaut2059]

Lmfao bots

[@somnvm37]

Nintendo: bans people for playing the game Valve after seing 20 sniper players with same nickname and 1/500 death to kill ratio join the round at the same time: Hi buds, wanna buy some hats?

[@makotoyuki345]

No! My original joke is gone! You cheated me of my 15 minutes of fame! I...AM...ABSOLUTELY!...ok with it cuz at least you’ve got integrity and dignity, keep it up

[@makotoyuki345]

Krakrock I’m sorry I forgot it it...

[@yougottowinsometime7470]

Persona 3 fes sucks without basic mods on pc

[@makotoyuki345]

@@yougottowinsometime7470 as a persona game? Yes pretty much As a Persona 3 game? It’s still pretty enjoyable

[@LilJbm1]

@@makotoyuki345 Idk Persona 3 is still my favorite of the franchise, although Persona 5 is really good and definitely the 2nd favorite. 4 was my least, couldn't play 1 at all, and still working through 2 but it's pretty good. Is P3's gameplay a bit clunky? Eh yes but to me still fun and the game's progression felt great like no other Persona game. Anyway just wanted to share my love of P3, although to me Minato will always be that, Minato Arisato. Who is Makoto Yuki? :)

[@makotoyuki345]

@@LilJbm1 well it’s always nice to hear other people’s sentiments. Yeah the other persona game are arguably better than P3 on a technical level but that doesn’t matter much when the game is capable of touching hearts

[@lazypines]

It's seriously admirable to reupload something to correct a mistake, knowing that it's gonna be affected by the algorithm but make the video more accurate as a whole. You really put a lot of thought and care into your videos and you're becoming one of my favourite channels on this site tbh

[@MelodyTCG]

A vid so nice, you upload it twice

[@Muskers92]

Poetic

[@stefanandrejevic2570]

I don't get it

[@scrmblguy]

A vid so nice, i watched it twice

[@Lmjacks]

I’m glad this re-upload prompted me to watch this video again, because I got a lot more out of the segment on speedrunning this time around. To be perfectly honest, I almost certainly would’ve watched it again soon, but this was a good excuse to do so now rather than later. Anyway, I liked what you said about bricolage, and making art from unusual things. I’m some 2300 hours deep into Celeste Speedrunning, maybe 5 or 6 hundred of which has been TASing (Tool Assisted Speedrunning). In this game, TASing boils down to writing a text file of inputs and how many frames they’re held, and then using a mod to run the game from those files. The end result is the culmination of the community’s knowledge, dedication, and passion, and the most polished TASes are filled with so much obscure tech. A while back, I remarked to one of the more prominent TASers that the efforts that she spearheaded had created something gorgeous, and I went as far to call it a work of art. All this is to say that I really resonated with the connections you made in this video-regarding cheating, video games as a medium, and art. Thanks for taking the time to talk about this, and I hope that the re-upload doesn’t hurt the video performance too badly

[@divdax9614]

Interesting topic. So, I believe the general message of this video was that cheating is fine -outside of competitive play, where it creates unfair situations- as it increases the lifetime of a videogame and can even create new “modes”, so to call them, like speedruns. Now, imagine a football match between kids where one of them decides to sneak a second ball and the others laugh but decide to play with both because they are just having fun. In fact, they have so much fun that they decide to always start playing with two balls. On a more serious level, the strategies would start to change because of this, as defenders would be more important, forwards would be more necessary, goalkeepers would have to be extra attentive - sorry if any of this doesn’t make sense, I don’t speak Football. Anyway, with all of these changes made to the formation and the game itself, would that be an example of cheating creating a new variety of a game that is not a videogame? I am sure there are also many other sports that were originally created as variations of other already-existing ones. Note: I know that this sport concept would probably have no success because of how dominant regular football is and because having two balls would split the audience’s attention and make them confused/lose interest, I am only using it as an example.

[@benedict6962]

Cheating as a definition would include other games under the term as well. Building on what I said in the downed video, many tabletop games ARE transformed into more balanced, interesting, or accessible products by modifying or even fudging rules entirely. Since more focus is put on telling a story, the need to conform to the rules of the system are only as necessary as the storyteller needs them to be. Not as an exception, but as a norm.

[@stevewalker1790]

Morality requires a second person who can be hurt by your actions. Which means whatever you do in a single player game is your own business. It makes you happy and doesn't hurt anyone else.

[@hippolyte5248]

I'm really glad nate fox's footage was used to show off rocket jumping

[@pippy2544]

the nintendo section of this vid hits differently now lmao

[@michael.e534]

I didnt get to fully watch the first version of this so its always a pleasure to watch your videos again while helping out with the algorithm.

[@ElysianLys]

Don't mind me, just passing through to boost the almighty algorithm!

[@marcasfitzpatrick]

Same here buddy

[@purpledinosaur5118]

Yes

[@MidnightCapricorn2696]

Both me and my mother are just like "Yep, we don't get this, let's google the answer" whenever we get stuck on a Professor Layton puzzle.

[@theermac6024]

Cheating in single player game: Fun, interesting, engaging, affects only you Cheating in multiplayer games: Annoying, just takes the fun out of it for everyone else, affects other people. How else do you think I would be able to figure out how fast I can beat Pokemon Platinum with just Palkia?

[@mbletz3958]

For being such a niche topic, you've done a great job covering it!

[@HonMile250]

FUDJ!!I appreciate you willing to own up to simple mistakes. You are a bigger man than most

[@NurioMarayana]

I am rewatching, reliking and commenting for your metrics. Kudos for maintaining integrity! I'll support this as much as I can

[@kindasomeviews]

"Cheaters are gonna cheat" _Nintendo has left the chat_

[@farter555]

This makes me wanna start playing tf2 again...

[@eX1st4132]

get ready to get better at pressing f1 then aiming

[@nickserafin1756]

Man your videos are criminally under viewed. Well written, good pacing, and editing. Keep it up I love the content.

[@iIIiteratex]

I appreciate you correcting the mistakes you had in your last video even if it hurts the performance of the vid. For that reason, I will comment to help you with the KZbin algorithm :)

[@DDRDAIKENKAI]

I absolutely LOVE the music you chose to use for this video. Props to you and your taste.

[@Cynidecia]

17:53 This little blurb perfectly summarizes why I use Hack client's in minecraft

[@AngryMax]

This was a very good and well thought out video! Honestly didn't feel like half an hour.

[@masch7000]

17:31 nintendo: "you want some easy games? fine, we'll do it!"

[@danluke426]

i thoroughly enjoyed this peanut butter and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you people. I also enjoyed the way you say "melee" and "battleship"

[@charliesnark6535]

I think the funniest thing is that when you said cheating the first thing I thought of WERE video games😂

[@bradens.3125]

great video and very thought provoking in my opinion, what counts as "cheating" in a game is when you do it and try not to get caught, while that is very unspecific and may not apply too all cases that are generally considered cheating, i think it's a not-terrible rule of thumb

[@treese_]

It seems a little unnecessary to toss out all of those views and likes for such a relatively minor slip up. I see people who make videos like this make errors of that size all the time, but it's usually fine because people usually get the gist of what they're talking about. A pinned comment would've easily informed people going down to the comments to correct your mistake of what you actually meant. Edit: 100% agree with you on TF2 being the best designed FPS game ever. That game is honestly on a whole other level, and I wish more people would experience it.

[@SnoppleWopple]

The amount of research you did for this video is awesome! Thanks for the video.

[@sauceinmyface9302]

I can think of an example of how cheating in non videogames has had a positive effect on complexity. Core A gaming, a channel on fighting game theory, made a video on movement in fighting games, highlighting korean backdash, an exploit. They also bring up the example of basketball and the introduction of dribbling, which was the exploit of passing the ball to yourself as you changed positions. Like other exploits or cheats, it faced controversy and had limitations created, along with being nearly banned. Whether a dribblingless basketball would be more or less complex than the modern day sport is hard to tell, but it's easy to see that current fans are happy with the adoption of the exploit.

[@jamessicard1705]

I'm glad Sakurai is more accepting of the competitive scene now

[@reagansido5823]

Fellas, is it cheating to not want to be suck on a part of a game for so long that even if you eventually figure out what to do, you won't get any satisfaction from it?

[@namelesscomedy1899]

That's understandable. Gave you a mic thank you for correcting your mistake you're more honorable than most

[@ash2u]

I have never met another person that played Sky Interactive games. And I guess I still haven't... I feel the need to say that I still get the Beehive Bedlam theme stuck in my head

[@cgnfake6721]

Does no one remember the tf2 glitch where scouts could actually fly and flap like birds

[@LS-kr3sh]

I am watching as it is criminally underviewed.

[@angerygoomba]

8:16 FINALLY SOMEONE ACKNOWLEDGING ZACK AND WIKI I LOVE THIS GAME

[@sdw-hv5ko]

There was one thing I had to use a guide for in Ocarina of Time (a key in the Water Temple) and almost two decades later I'm still ashamed

[@jumperkables9372]

These concept videos are good and you should keep making them in my opinion

[@JarkeyBacon]

This comment is going to be posted a fair bit after this video has been uploaded, but I think one example you have missed is, well, the creation of different sports. Rugby, the sport, was famously created by an act of Cheating. Where a bloke got mad at Football and picked it up in his hands and started running. From this one of the world's largest sports was created with multiple different variations and so on. That being said, I still think that is merit to the idea of Video Games being able to take Cheating further then ever before, but I think drawing a strict line here is incorrect. Unless I've misunderstood your point of course :) Great video!

[@wompastompa3692]

Dear lord, never stretch Super Metroid that wide ever again.

[@wompastompa3692]

@Bugī That being said, there is an actual widescreen hack that maintains proper scaling. It's pretty neat.

[@geraldthepuppy9693]

My favourite thing I’ve done with cheat programs is change my DS2 characters face vale’s to create an even more incredible abomination.

[@BluenoseGeo]

Watched in full couple days ago, will watch in full now!

[@jordanmynes2638]

Good transparency, good content, new sub gained Here's some metrics

[@renaigh]

for some games, cheating is an artform for others, it's a convenience

[@CRushDMV]

Always support error correction. Gj!

[@MrGoofyGooberson]

“Most cheating is bad”

[@FunctionallyLiteratePerson]

I said yes for both, as even board games are video games if they're digital IMO Also imo I still don't consider modding necessarily cheating, especially if it's for additional features or QOL changes / fixes. I tend to have code is law mindset, so that's a thing for me as well.

[@gringomoderfoquer8287]

Many of my favorite games have grind, and I hate grinding. I wouldn't have played them for much longer if I wasn't able to cheat and skip the boring parts.

[@KoalaBerzerker]

20:57 What is a videogame? A miserable little pile of secrets!

[@caroline6218]

I agree that not all cheating in video games is bad I have had so much fun with Minecraft mods. Great video!!!

[@sephytcd8349]

I feel like consciously I have no idea what the fuck you were talking about but another part of my brain completely gets it and is very entertained

[@2bean166]

I'm experiencing some major deja vu

[@Stradiwhovius963]

Was the book you mentioned at 08:00 around a5 sized and also had all the Mario sunshine blue coins?

[@renaigh]

I hate grinding, so any RPG I play, I cheat until I can play the build(s) the way it's meant to be.

[@sir_smilesalot7589]

The irony of Nintendo suing another video game/toy company for making their games too easy... oh, how the irony is lost on them.

[@agsilverradio2225]

I don't consider using the meta cheating. ... I'm not 100% on board with "code is law." though I.e. Item Duplication on survers with item econnomys, and no-clipping into out of bounds arias in PVP, is cheating in my eyes, regardless if you have to mod/hack your games to do it.

[@FlorisVanLent]

Thank you for your critical reflection and doing the right thing :) May this comment appease the KZbin Algorithm!

[@RubyTerrarian]

This guy deserves more subs

[@Greenlows]

Normally I don't bother liking a video just because the person in it asked me to, and I think I've maybe commented twice because someone told me to, but this time I am doing so because it's pretty cool to value correcting a mistake over the algorithmic overlord, and maybe my small contribution can help overcome the detrimental effect of having acted in favor of credibility.

[@AltoPiano12]

wow i can't believe the director got cut that sucks man hope they find a new job soon

[@Octo_Chara]

most video games are either too hard or too easy. I personally like games that are too easy because I get a break from doing hard things like chores and schoolwork. I also like easy games because if I cant see the character very well (either because of my visual impairment or because of the poor contrast that the game might have) it doesn't make me feel bad over something I cant control. So it would be better if game developers put custom difficulty options so people like me can relieve some stress after a hard day. I understand that some games are specifically designed to be hard, BUT if you look at it from a money standpoint, developers will probably get way more money if they add one more menu. I know that its not as easy as it seems, but it would most likely heavily benefit the company. please correct me if I'm wrong, just please don't be rude about it.

[@NostalJackMusic]

Gotta love fudj:)

[@perfectcell5613]

i used to have that book to as well as the original smash

[@DarkMaguini]

I didn't comment first time round, but here I am! This is a good video! Let's watch it again! Insert words here for the sake of the algorithm :D

[@duqam7422]

Ok, so I think I agree with your point, though if cheating makes the video game less fun in a multiplayer perspective for the other non cheating players, it is not ok.

[@dgnutty6272]

Everybody gangsta till the time travellers sell the turnips

[@jgr2637]

One of your best vids!!!

[@RodniDemental]

So if I refresh this constantly but don't watch any of it.. you don't want me to do that? I definitely don't feel like doing that but I often get side tracked after clicking 100 tabs and then ending up clogging my cache so everything gets rebooted automatically and if you're on my refresh list.. It might happen accidently a few times a week before I either get around to watching the vid or clear my backlog to return to (possibly once time runs out and I can catch up on all the stuff I couldn't fit in). In whichany case, - have a comment! Fwiw I'm also letting the video play to the end which I would have stopped by now due to limited attention span but the music was pretty dope so I left it running. Also just checking; it's not cheating if we inflate the telemetry data is it..? Like we're just getting it back to the way we know it rightfully deserves to be right? Besides, algorhythy might even change the rules of the game again (also not cheating?) so might as well get in on the current meta. **back to staring at where my watch used to be**

[@space4367]

“If you can do it in real life, then it does not classify as cheating which means not breaking the law.”-a criminal’s final words before being arrested

[@jackiedan2450]

Long video game man good! This has inspired me to make a similiar video.on mods for a specific game. Hope you dont mind if I snag some of your sources and concepts .

[@krlllx]

So, in the first video, the title was ‘Cheating in Video Games.’ The sequel had the name ‘Cheating in Video Games (Director’s cut). Is it safe to assume the third instalment will be named, ‘Cheating in Video Games (Director’s Cut) (Director’s Cut)?

[@JM-hz1wl]

I'll watch it again, this video is great

[@nintenx1235]

I believe code is law, but I also am so against aim bots and lag-switches that I feel in-game aim assists should be deleted in an official update or turned off in ranked at the least and solo twin-stick players that want to be competitive should actually“git gud” themselves turn those off and learn to use the objectively superior gyro aim. And for lag-switches in things like smash, I think people should just legally get or pirate melee. (it is absurdly overpriced at $100 and people who aren’t willing to pay that I feel are justified as piracy is a service problem,and it’s no longer in production so it’s not even stealing from Nintendo.) Ya I am a bit heated by those disgusting cheaters in smash and paladins but my point still stands.

[@Lilybun]

I dont see why battleship on a tv wouldnt be a video game. Its more of a video game than anything the home consoles put out for the first few years of the video game industry. The disney one seems like a board game with video game elements at most though. Any game that runs on a microchip and you get to interact with in a way that influences the outcome is a video game to me.

[@wardoise]

love your content king

[@dukepuddingdale]

"Cheating" in video games most likely doesn't often correlate directly to "cheating" in real life because, more often than not, "cheating" in video games often has its roots in exploiting pieces of a respective game in order to solve a specific problem which doesn't necessarily result in any real-world gain. It hasn't been until recently that, for instance, "cheating" in video games had gained any sort of intense notoriety or mystery behind the act itself; and all of this is mostly wrapped up in the world of speedrunning (which has, within the past half-decade or so, somewhat quietly become a viable means of making a living for a few individuals and groups). Until the stories covering the intrigue behind a selection of clever (or sometimes not-so-clever) ruses tailored exclusively to gain clout within a speedrunning community, it felt like "cheating" in video games was either an outright black-white call (such as aim-botting in an FPS) or an irrelevant argument of semantics which most speedrunners had already concluded before 2010 (i.e. "This run is 'illegal' because it uses glitches"). Basically, before video games had any social power (or, at least, said social power was beyond the grasp of random individuals who are now lofted into the heavens on the wings of an algorithm), there was nothing to gain from cheating in video games outside of street cred on the playground or on tiny image boards in the wild west of the mid-2000s internet: it was a hobby; and, for true enthusiasts, "cheating" in video games is often as much an aspect of playing them as artificially "damaging/aging/weathering" and modifying figure kits is for model builders.

[@thenerdyanarchist3492]

Wow, you need a lot more subscribers

[@SuperDuperJamer]

I don't suppose you have saved any of the original comments anywhere? I wrote a comment previously about cheating and my proposition of the term "rulebending", and was hoping to refer to it for my studies. It's nowhere to be found as the video has evidently been reuploaded.

[@Nick2bad4u]

New sub love the content so far

[@m.mproductions2461]

what is the last song called 👁👄👁

[@jaysemitchells497]

Commenting because it helps

[@Rustic_Jay]

im here from the lion video, sup

[@dbd978]

where do you get your music btw? it's nice.

[@kal6957]

Commenting to help the algorithm.

[@megmoore8681]

obligatory Algorithm comment. but yeah this video is pretty neat great job!!!

[@samsonfgc3472]

I'm personally curious as to the "morals" to cheating in pokemon to use in tournaments. (With the caveat that they are possible to obtain in game with the moves/nature/EVs/IVs etc). It's definitely hard cheating, but does it fall more in the the melee training mod pack side or the aimbot side of that definition. Because you are skipping what is assumed to be part of the process and you do get an advantage over people that aren't cheating in the sense that you have more time to test out new strategies without raising a new Salamence every time. For some Legendary pokemon you would have to start over with a brand new save in order to catch a new one. But it also doesn't directly affect the tournament, your pokemon can't doing anything that your opponents can't and that time investment is a barrier to some people's ability to even play the game at a competitive level. So should we let people get a time advantage because the grind can be bullshit or is that time advantage so strong the it puts a significant weight on the scales of competitive play?

[@samsonfgc3472]

kinda rambly but whatever. I'm more in the pro cheating camp personally but idk.

[@crustyboyjosh2947]

Ive been waiting for the directors cut

[@BadBrad119]

very fitting how you cheated by not going back and re-doing the audio, just add a disclaimer :P

[@MeloYelo]

Great video, very interesting

[@pappythe1st]

cheating is fine in single-player games but not I'm multiplayer games

[@medea27]

For me, the key to defining 'cheating' is intent... there are too many different activities that get arbitrarily bundled into this category. True cheating is when you use hacks/ glitches/ exploits to 'cheat' other players out of a fair game... using tools to get an unfair advantage over your (human) competitors & remove the element of skill. I don't see any problem with modding or taking advantage of glitches in the code, provided it's single player or you're competing with others using the same parameters so it's an agreed level playing field (like speedrunning). But using glitches or hacks in a multiplayer game to give yourself an edge over other players is 100% cheating. Walkthroughs & tips aren't 'cheats' either. I doubt any game dev (even Nintendo devs!) wants to pour their heart & soul into a game that 95% of players give up on in frustration before they're halfway through. Devs for the first FPS & RPG games like Doom & Space Quest understood that players would get stuck, so publishers like Sierra released official guide books to their RPGs and both official & unofficial hints & tips would get published in magazines. Even now, using a walkthrough only has an impact on your personal enjoyment of the game.... getting help to get past a tricky puzzle or level isn't cheating.

[@Furore2323]

My entirely correct take: 1. Cheating is bad. 2. Cheating requires a victim, co-player or opponent player, a fellow human who is harmed (however trivially). 3. In the absence of a victim, cheating is not cheating, but actually good and based, and every player should go ahead and indulge in as much or little as they find personally satisfying. 4. If you have an opinion about how someone else 'should' play a single player game, you're wrong, you actually don't have an opinion, you're just a babybrained peebaby.

[@Notllamalord]

Honestly I don’t really care sometimes with cheats, as long as it’s not ruining the fun.

[@daeryk6424]

I'd absolutely mod the shit outta any Nintendo game. Fuck 'em.

[@gugugugu3371]

i think you mistook the word "cheating" with "exploit" many times in this video cheating in the way you meant for sports / irl games still exists in video games. Cheating in a competitive context is never seen as something good or as a bricolage, people can get mad when someone cheats in a speedrun by hacking a game and pretending to have a world record. Same for esports. While exploiting is trying to play within the rules (the "code") by exploiting the game's rules to the maximum. This sentence sounds really dumb but i hope it was still understandable, nice video tho

[@trevorkun25]

I love how your video contains the ideia that cheating is a valid form of turning a game more acessible. Nice, loved the video based on a article but more personal. GALOoB

[@ultimate_pleb]

20:33 wait? you guys DON'T play foo'y with gian' mega legs?!