Taming the 6000w Wired Predator ebike

[@kirkmanley3164]

Love your vids which led to me to getting the Fabulous EMX Extreme last summer. Use it for my round trip 37 mile commuter for work with two panniers here in Fairbanks, AK. Gets me up the steep climbs with no problems. What blast and now has over 4000 miles!

[@CitizenCycle925]

The emx bikes are a powerful little package, glad yours worked out for you 😁

[@RussellHogan]

Awesome! Got any videos?

[@sagar42095]

Trying to pull the trigger on pre-ordering one tonight oh my goodness you are the The Man

[@CitizenCycle925]

If you're looking for a powerful ebike you will not be disappointed! And thank you for the kind gesture glad you like the video!

[@daveyJ213]

I'm glad you took the time to highlight power management. I just recently had a bad crash my e-bike, and I only have a rear motor. Newbies (like myself) really need to respect the power and weight of these bike. Great video.

[@robmiesen1770]

By the way. My wife and I bought our updated cruisers because of your review. Thanks

[@TheLionsDen72]

Its nice that the setting can adjust some of the issues here. There is more room for improvement imo. A dual motor system is def for advanced, experienced riders though. It should be marketed ae such. Someone with absolutely no experience with any ebike is going to end getting a dual motor ebike, get, seriously hurt, and then the bans & regulations will come. We need influencers like yourself to be advocates for being responsible in this space. It helps us all keep the liberties we have in the ebike relm. Also..... what about your setup ( the Citizen Cycle)? Your dual motor,independent steup is by far a better setup and superior to this. You should show that off more and show the difference between your setup and this. That would be a great video. Thank you for sharing. See you on the next one.

[@dg9bfc]

with cranking down the power on the lower Pas stages it's now quite safe and rideable... in my view on these dual motor setups they should have ASR or ESP .... compare front and rear wheel hall sensor speeds and if front tire slips then reduce current to the front engine should be quite easy if you use a dual controller

[@jodythomas]

I almost don't want to admit it but using the settings like you do here is what I've been doing on my Cruiser to make it a little tamer when the need arises. I have power assist set to 33% for 500 watts of power, 50% for 750 watts & on up to 100%. Works great for those times when I'm riding in public place like a park and don't want or need all 1500 watts. Thanks for the great video.

[@rickymahoney6664]

Thats what I was hoping I could do with my bike (Ghostcat V3 Pro.) I dont need all the torque all the time. Plus I could get better mileage if I could program it like you're saying. I guess for the price I just figured I could. Thats my bad

[@jodythomas]

@@rickymahoney6664 I thought the Ghostcat was delivered programmed to 20 mph max speed and the motor is limited to 750W but you can of course over ride that.

[@TheTcat1000]

Brian, how about a direct comparison video between rear motor only with the predator 50 amp controller versus the freedom 45 amp controller

[@gregb878]

Awesome video thanks for taking the time to do this. We figured these could be configured in a way that was going to be safe to use can't wait to get ours!

[@marcopaganotto9125]

I've only ever owned mid drive ebikes, and I've had very few rides on rear hub motor ebikes.. However, although very few rides and on pretty standard 250/350 wt motors, I must say that I was really quite impressed with the overall feel of hub motors. It's really quite a different experience, although ultimately the end result is the same... If that makes any sense?! What I'm trying to say is both systems feel remarkably different in many ways too! Hub motors are so much louder, they sound like the Milk Man is coming! But it's quite a low frequency sound and personally, I like it and it really doesn't bother me. The way they transfer their power to the road is very different feeling to mid drives too I think. The power transfer is far more direct I think, it's like when the motor is engaged by a push on the pedal, the motor launches itself forward immediately, whereas mid drives feel like they depend more on your input, they seem to respond, and are more sensitive, to your cadence and input nuances, so it's like the motor responds depending on, and after, your input. Hub motors seem to be designed more around the throttle, hence their more direct transfer of power. Personally, they're very different feeling systems but, as mentioned previously, the end result is the same, and I'd say that both systems are awesome and if you're new to ebikes, don't let this choice bother you, because you're going to be totally happy with either system. One little thing perhaps worth considering is that if you're ever likely to want to do some off road riding, that would be when I'd suggest going for a mid drive system, simply because the weight of the system is nice and central on the bike, which is exactly where you want it if you're mountain biking. Hub motors place all the weight at extreme ends of the bike, which affects your balance on the bike and will affect the handling in a manner that's not ideal when riding off road. But I've gotta say, dual super powerful hub motors are like nothing else! I recently had a go on a cheap Chinese brand, Shenghmilo, their S600 model I believe, which has 2 1000 wt motors, one in each hub, and I have to say that it was absolutely fookin amazing, the feeling of huge power and rapid acceleration was incredible and next level when compared to my 250 wt Bosch powered emtb. So, really, it's whatever floats your boat! Waffle over, thanks for glazing over!

[@brandoncrum4969]

I had no idea this bike existed until I looked at this video. Thanks.

[@sgtchitt1]

just curious , does the front forks and front motor alleviate any wobble that may come if you add more weight on the rear rack? i would like to see addition 20 pounds added to the rear rack, as if you had tools, tube ,air pump etc.etc. for a long trip. If no wobble is present , that will definitely help with people thinking about purchasing it , and we wont have to deal with all the hype about the death wobble and put that issue to bed. thanks , your the only reviewer that i trust. thanks again, marty

[@rambojohn7118]

I would like to see that also, put more weight on the rear rack and see if there any wobble.

[@brandonshowalter757]

I just got my predator. There is a slight wobble if I cause it by shaking the wheel, but it won’t start on its own. I have added some weight to back with a box and speaker.

[@sgtchitt1]

@@brandonshowalter757 how is it without the box and speaker, did it come with the visco head set? mine should be here tomorrow or so, cant wait.

[@brandonshowalter757]

@ I’m not sure if it was the visco but it does have a steering stabilizer on it. Definitely dampens the steering and I can ride no hands without an issue. It doesn’t get into a wobble situation on its own, I have to wiggle the steering and can feel it, but when riding normally I don’t notice it unless I try and cause it

[@brandonshowalter757]

@@sgtchitt1 the box is light. Speaker not so much. I can’t say honestly because all that stuff went on immediately

[@rayrutherford74]

Thanks!

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thank you I appreciate your kindness!

[@rayrutherford74]

I'd do better but i gotta watch since my job of about 25 yrs is shutting down march of 25. I'm seriously thinking about a different route from maintenance and machining in manufacturing and possibly try getting into ebike/bike repair. Start with school for electronic troubleshooting and repair...idk man!!! But thanks for the video! Too bad they are only making 99 of this one because i want to definitely sell rear hub mtb by the time i get my severance and get one. I know there are other awd bikes but this one just has rhe looks and ability to climb like i want. I dont want hub drive. Anyway take care and keep up the good work!​@CitizenCycle925

[@sledhead904]

Of course it's rideable. People cmon! Awd adds a level of danger. Just know what you're buying. Furthermore you can always turn off the front motor.

[@tomlauritzen9522]

Thank you for confirming what I did with my Freedom. Over 100 miles on it now.

[@paulmichaels3311]

The monstar by ecells vs the wired freedom in all your tests plus some head to head drag races would be pure cinema. Anyone with a 5 star or wired freedom knows the Ktlcd8 display is highly programmable, I own the 5 star hopefully you can figure out a compatible front hub that will run the 60 volt rear rack battery that ecells and wired are using would make it look so clean good video.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

I don't think that's gonna happen, for two reasons. Number one I think he's got an exclusive contract with the wired people in number two. I don't think the CEO of E cells will provide a bike.

[@sledhead904]

This takes consumers buying both bikes. They like to keep secrets and drive pre-orders

[@sgtchitt1]

thank you for this awesome video. this will quiet the few that were complaining about it.

[@jodythomas]

Measurement needed please - Please post what is the minimum seat height on the Predator. I have a 2024+ Cruiser and love it.

[@robmiesen1770]

Once again, it was an excellent e-bike review. My wife and I both ride Cruisers and love them. I also reduced the wattage in PAS 1 and 2. Now, I will adjust the throttle follow-through. We noticed that you can get in trouble without reducing the wattage if you don't watch out. I am 6'4", and weigh 240. I would like more shock adjustment in the front fork. Do you have any ideas on how I could do this?

[@mrjonesbones1]

I would love to see you take this thing off road. I've been looking for a powerful enough bike to use for hunting and off road riding but also wanting something like the freedom for around town. I'm thinking this is the unicorn I've been waiting for. Fingers crossed 🤞 because I have one on order.

[@MrT-tn4qe]

The e-cells 5 star can be used as a hunting bike, has tons of power in that rear motor to rip up steep rocky hills dragging a carcass or trailer. I've used mine for that even in snow, you really don't need a front motor at all, just helps with acceleration

[@MahKe03]

@Citizen, are you able to set the P configuration to allow you for full throttle speed on demand, regardless of the PAS level?

[@CitizenCycle925]

yes, you just set the Throttle Follow to No and you will have full power in the throttle at all times.

[@MahKe03]

Hi @Citizen . Thanks again for your in depth reviews. Curious, are you going to do a comparison between this new Predator against the Citizen Cycle? All the best to you.

[@CitizenCycle925]

i'll be showing the Predator vs a bunch of other powerful bikes soon!

[@lukewalker1051]

You nailed the narrative. 40mph is good for max speed of an ebike. Need more? Buy a motorcycle as you say.

[@aetheon9906]

I disagree. Give me a bicycle that does 60mph. I know most people don't want or need this, but I personally find significant value in a vehicle that's just as home on sidewalks and bike lanes as it is on roads.

[@donovanlankford2089]

​@@aetheon9906 that's you, most people will kill themselves going 60mph on a main road in whatever city you in. Get a license for a suron or something similar.

[@bassw1758]

​@@donovanlankford2089but they won't kill themselves doing 40? Or what about that other bike I haven't heard about anybody dying on it yet, I forget the name of it, does like 50 mi an hour plus with 12in tires,😂 total death trap.

[@stephenolotu5588]

​@donovanlankford2089 u don't need a liscend for a surron budd

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

I also find 40 is a great top end speed. My diy build is running 55amps at 60 volts through a direct drive hub motor and my top end is 50 which starts feeling really sketchy on 2.2 inch wide tyres 😅.

[@Calthecool]

People are so scared of the front wheel spinning, I had a bike with a 1000w motor on the front and rear and I was riding through snow going full throttle and turning the bars left and right fast with the front wheel spinning like crazy and I was totally fine. Even when the front wheel is spinning it’s still pulling, so unless you are an absolute beginner then you won’t crash. EDIT: I also tried in the rain and on sandy pavement. I do have really good balance so that could be part of it.

[@Timbodacious]

thats snow, thats not wet pavement in a tight turn or sand on pavement in a tight turn haha

[@Calthecool]

@@Timbodacious I also did those too, same thing.

[@ReVolt_e-Vlogs]

You must've never tried to turn on a wet road then. Lol

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Try riding in the rain and your opinion will change

[@brandonshowalter757]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357so toggle to rear wheel drive in rain?

[@dansigmon1559]

Great review. The Predator is the ebike to buy for sure.

[@karenbenson5976]

Did the dual crown fork stop the death wobble?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Feels the same with the double crown Forks. this 1st Predator also does not have the hellbender headset in it but the production bikes will.

[@sledhead904]

No but they are stronger than the guide rst for the front motor. Plus air ride is always a good thing.

[@James-CreekSquad-Jones]

At that price $50 discount ain't doing much to sway me. LOL. Sweet bike regardless

[@MrT-tn4qe]

Give it two months, after everyone rushes to buy this beta model Wired is going to push out an updated version with improved specs and everyone is going to feel jaded

[@robertallen6710]

@@MrT-tn4qe All the colors I want are already sold out...gotta wait anyways...

[@BrettWoodBiking]

I'd like to have one😂 Love the power. Good to see a video showing how tameable it is. I can think of at least five channels that are going to be eating their words. Unfortunately that weight is just too much for me. I can carry about 90lbs up Three flights of stairs. 😞

[@Timbodacious]

Most of these bikes have a walk mode where the wheel spins really slow to help you up stairs lol

[@BrettWoodBiking]

@@Timbodacious I have a walk mode but you have to hold the button down. Also I've tried it and it just spins out on the stairs even though they are carpeted. I just walked backwards up the stairs with it standing up on the hind wheel. But with a full rucksack on my back, after three flights of stairs I'm pretty much whipped and can barely even open the door when I get to the top 😂 an extra 30-40 lb doesn't seem like much but it accumulates quickly

[@LoneWolf-jh3fi]

What about gearing? I haven't heard how gearing works through the pedal assists. Do you just pick a gear and leave it there???

[@CitizenCycle925]

It has 7 gears that you can shift thru like a regular bike but with so much power in the motors i didn't use them much. basically used 5,6 & 7

[@sledhead904]

Go test drive an ebike and you'll see

[@DownsouthMan]

What is the inseam from the seat to the ground? Low seat level. Take a couple of pics with you standing next to the bikes. No one does that.

[@CitizenCycle925]

35in from ground to top of seat.

[@donnyseymour8463]

I would like to ask this question. Is there any front forks similar to the ones on the predator that I can purchase out there that will fit and work on my 2024 wired freedom and if so do you know where I can get them ? Thankyou 😀

[@alexbritz6672]

Can you make a follow-up video on The Wired Predator settings guide or do the settings work the same as the freedom and Cruiser?

[@stxrobstar]

FWIW I did the same thing with the 'regular' Freedom 24+ and essentially use the PAS levels as gears.

[@sledhead904]

It's better to have the throttle full power and able to grab when needed going up hills or whenever.

[@markburton5292]

cool bike, its more than what i would need but still cool bike.

[@rambojohn7118]

Good review. Thanks for sharing the bike settings . What can be an issue is that the bike especially the batteries are Not UL certified and many states and apartment buildings are banning e-bikes that don’t have UL certified batteries.

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

This would be tight if it was just 6k watt rear wheel and had a throttle that wasn't just on or off. I think a sine wave controller for the throttle would make it analogue instead of digital but I'm not sure. I rather have a little slower acceleration and top speed of 55 mph than constant tire peel and a top speed of 43 mph.

[@BeautyBeastRC]

I thought the throttle was on or off too but it's really not. You're probably just really heavy handed like me. I don't know why but the throttle is seriously sensitive so it easily appears like it's on or off. For some reason my wife who is 110lbs was really good at it from the start but it's taken me some effort to get used to it.

[@sledhead904]

Throttle is linear

[@user-kb8yl2qh3h]

Do you know if they're going to do that to the step through and when they might be bringing that out

[@mikerocket62]

mine is ordered...cant wait...

[@CitizenCycle925]

Hope you got the $50 discount, every little bit helps

[@mikerocket62]

@@CitizenCycle925 Yes, I got the discount, thank you, citizen! Keep those killer videos coming...

[@soda35160]

man i remember last year you sold me on the freedom and after it arrived they announced the 2024 version and now this? I guess ill have to find someone to sell it to so i can save for this one

[@VMH721]

Question, Can we get the 50 amp controller and keep the same screen on the 2024+?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Display is the same as the freedom and cruiser. i doubt Wired will sell the 50a controllers and not sure i would recommend it. i believe they updated the motor internals to handle the power increase so if you try to put that on your 2024 freedom or cruiser you may fry something.

[@VMH721]

@@CitizenCycle925 Thanks, For your reply

[@sledhead904]

​@@VMH721heat is an issue with the stock controller so you can surely upgrade if and when that part is available but heat will still be your limiting factor. Top speed won't change much you might just see some more acceleration

[@rambojohn7118]

Bryan, is there any of that wobble in this model of the predator ?

[@dmcg9066]

That’s a rad bike … it’s like double of my H9 …. I love AWD bikes !!!

[@HighguyMcfly]

The acceleration and torque on this bike is for sure impressive, I'm just wondering if these hub motors have some sort of built in speed limit. I never see them going faster than 45MPH.

[@CitizenCycle925]

yes, they can only spin so fast, if top end speed is what you want then you should look at bikes with direct drive motors, they go faster, this one is built for acceleration and torque.

[@sledhead904]

The motor spin at a max rpm for the given voltage and wattage. Higher speed usually needs higher volts for higher motor rpm

[@Hoggdoc1946]

How about speed comparison between Freedom and Predator rear motor only @100% power. Is the rear motor different between the two, if so how?

[@CitizenCycle925]

I believe the motor had some updated phase wires to allow for the extra power.I'm sure they'll transition this to the freedoms eventually.

[@davidcrowson4745]

Beautiful Carolina blue sky.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes, love filming on days like that 😁

[@TerrySmith-fc9mj]

I want more power on front on take off and some from rear and always a kill police mode where it locks in at laws or make police mode the fastest / off road

[@user-kb8yl2qh3h]

Are those front forks better than the rst front forks and the other question is when do you think they're going to do the step through virgin

[@CitizenCycle925]

The forks on predator are certainly more substantial than the RST's on the freedom & cruiser. i didn't notice any major difference in performance though. They will not be doing a step thru version of this predator.

[@user-ch4ex3yy4l]

@@CitizenCycle925 Did those forks help the wobble? Did anything about this bike help mitigate the wobble issue?

[@MrT-tn4qe]

@@user-ch4ex3yy4l theres nothing that will stop the wobble except a better bike design overall, these wired bikes use a cheap rear suspension, and they are too heavy, now with the heavier front wheel these bike weigh over 120lbs!

[@user-ch4ex3yy4l]

@@MrT-tn4qe Thanks

[@sledhead904]

Ecells does a dual motor step thru. And yes the dual crown is stronger for the front motor.

[@kbarnes0]

Another great review from you! Any chance you are going to review the Ride 1 Up Cafe Cruiser? It's motor has been recently updated to be more powerful and more quiet. Thanks for your reviews.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@kbarnes0 unfortunately I do not have that bike on my review schedule

[@tims6246]

next version will have a 3000 watt mid drive and some wings

[@michaelmccullough7309]

Got one coming . Thanks you just confirmed my plan .

[@CHRISTSALVATION]

I watched your video. I loved the bike. I actually order the white one. I used your discount code. Question, I was going to order the HEB Allscape heavy duty tires. You think that will help with traction? They weigh more and have bigger nobs. I bought those tires for my other ebike. Beefy tires!

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

My favourite fat tyres are the schwalbe Jumbo Jim. Seriously top tier traction in all conditions.

[@sijohnston8920]

Seems like it should go more than 43. Are you planning to shunt mod it?

[@nightrider4370]

Can you explain what this is?

[@dg9bfc]

​@@nightrider4370shunt modding is solder some tin over the shunt resistor in the controller ... so if controller pushes 45Amp it thinks it is 30 or 35 and it pushes even more... a 45 Amp controller can push a bit more (maybe up to 60??) but you also have to increase the cooling a bit (air vent holes in controller box and/or glue some heatsink on the controller box if possible)... and use max current only for short moments.. but be careful on long hill runs not to overheat it

[@4damula]

Yup im pissed just got my freedom 24+ now i want this

[@luigiprovencher]

Yep. And when I called to order my Cruiser I asked if they had an AWD and they said no. I'll never buy anything from this company again.

[@citystuff7184]

​@@luigiprovencher how long ago did you order? They might let you cancel and change to the predator

[@luigiprovencher]

@@citystuff7184 It was the end of September I think. Got the bike on the 7th of October.

[@luigiprovencher]

@@citystuff7184 I found out about the Predator the Saturday or Sunday before mine got delivered.

[@moodyfox3108]

Get a citizen front motor kit. I plan on getting a cruiser and doing that. I'll have more battery that way too.

[@user-kb8yl2qh3h]

I would love one but I would want it in the stepped through version I already have a step through version with your front wheel kit on it and of course I would like more power maybe there would be some sort of kit that you can put on a step through version that will do the same thing or similar

[@corywebb5537]

I'. M so excited to get mine.And I didn't know the front motor don't engage well pedaling which is perfect for turning

[@user-ch4ex3yy4l]

Great vid’! You said if we have any questions to put them in the comment section and you would answer them. I have two: 1: Does the bike have any wobble? 2: does it come with a Full-covering front fender? I ride in mud so both questions are pertinent. Thanks.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@user-ch4ex3yy4l not long ago I did a whole video regarding steering wobble on the wired bikes. this Predator bike handles exactly like the cruiser and the freedom models. Having the weight of the rear rack battery pack can affect the steering. Hasn't been an issue for me because I ride with my hands on the handlebars. Also this Predator bike I have is a prototype and it does not have the hellbender visco 70 headset like the production models will have so maybe that will help with the handling. All production models will also come with a front fender.

[@user-ch4ex3yy4l]

@@CitizenCycle925 Thanks for replying.

[@Tom_Klein]

Got my order in for the Freedom cruiser using your link, but didn’t notice a $50 discount. Is that figured later?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@Tom_Klein unfortunately my $50 discount is only for the predator

[@Tom_Klein]

@@CitizenCycle925 Ok! Never thought about that. Not a problem, can’t wait to get the bike. Just notified that some of my order (accessories) are shipping! Hope it won’t take too long to get the bike. I think they stated mid November. Thanks for your reply and have a great day! 😎

[@user-kb8yl2qh3h]

Would your 24 inch back wheel work on the back of the predator and keep the 26 inch front wheel that 1 in will help

[@jeremywheeler2122]

Does this have the same rear wheel that previous 2024 models had? I'm surprised they didn't go up to a 58 tooth chain ring

[@CitizenCycle925]

I think they made some upgrades to the motors internals to handle the higher power.

[@DJAudioLegacy]

love it but i'll wait for the step through version. unless you figure out how to add front motor to new cruiser plus using same stock batteries. need to find a way to wire in to to stock controller because i don't want to add a third battery.

[@sledhead904]

Very easy to do with xt90 3 way plug. There's a y from two batteries into a controller leg. Unplug controller side and add y cable. Feed new and old controller.

[@justinw1765]

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think the extra $1300 for the Predator vs the Freedom is worth it (500 to 600 would be reasonable). For that price, I would just buy another motorcycle (I have a Ninja that I rode for years that needs work). With that said, the Freedom is a great deal imo. There is more than enough power and speed for me with the Freedom anyways. Cool tip about the throttle control. I didn't realize you could disconnect it from the pedal assist. The Freedom is my 2nd ebike ever. I was a somewhat early adopter of Ebikes when I bought an R Martin bike back in like 2009/2010 era. Ebikes have come _a long_ way since then. Some of them are more like low key electric motorcycles in the guise of an ebike.

[@john210-nz2on]

Hello, im not getting the $50 discount from the affiliate link. Is there a promo code i could use instead?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@john210-nz2on clear your browser history and click the link again. If that doesn't work you can email them and they will honor it. It's on good for the Predator not freedom or cruiser models.

[@LeeAyzahn]

For the White Freedom... did you put 24 x 4 tires on the stock 26 x 4 wheels or did you have to relace the motor into a smaller wheel? If not, you're saying if one wanted to hypothetically they could install 24 x 4 tires on to the stock 26 x 4 wheels that come with the Freedom already ?

[@CitizenCycle925]

I had to put the motor into a smaller wheel. I did make a video on this if you want to see exactly how I did it

[@rickymahoney6664]

They should make smaller versions. Id buy one

[@TheMach21sec]

What brand are the hub motors? Any part numbers? I bet my wallet they are not WIRED's hubs. Please reply ty.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Rear Motor is a 1500w Hentach and front motor is a 1000w EW

[@haroldRichardson-q8s]

Hi Are You providing 24 inch kit for the wired Freeform ?

[@CitizenCycle925]

wasn't planning on it. changing to the 24in wheels really didn't make the bike feel any smaller. dont think its worth it.

[@JohnBabcock-qy1cs]

It's gotta do 45 mph all day to be better that a Billy Goat V3 or an E CELLS Monstar. Flat ground 45 mph for a 200 lb rider is the new minimum.

[@corywebb5537]

Absolutely, If it would go forty five miles per hour it would be in my cart right now

[@Pidgeys]

Do you think could make it happen messing with controller?

[@JohnBabcock-qy1cs]

@Pidgeys hmm.. Have to say yes, if the battery can put out enough. Only thing is, there is a limited run of these bikes. Probably all gone by now.

[@corywebb5537]

😂😂😂goat is a toy compared

[@MrT-tn4qe]

Why isn't there just a switch to toggle the front motor? Why not also have independent settings for each wheel?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@MrT-tn4qe there is a switch to select front, rear, or dual motor

[@rambojohn7118]

Bryan, question I’d like an Honest answer to from you or anyone else reading my comment. What’s the “Main Reason” of having an AWD bike ? Is it just for Hill climbing? It’s not for speed I know that already. Thanks

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@rambojohn7118 dual motors provide strong acceleration and increased Hill Climb power

[@dg9bfc]

yepp.. it's just sharing the load over 2 motors and 2 tires

[@VEGITAS4]

How long do you intend to travel on those dinky batteries? A 60ah battery is needed for that kind of power

[@jfly2249]

It would weigh over 150lbs, nobody wants that. You can get well over 100 miles if you ride it like a normal e bike. A 60ah bike like the piece of garbage Annioki bikes(the cheapest crap motors and no named cell batteries) will be really heavy, and Annioki’s case, really ugly. Who wants to be seen riding that monstrosity? Fire hazard? They must be cutting costs everywhere else to pay for the 60ah packs, garbage bikes.

[@aeestep77]

How well does thing climb hills?

[@johntinglin7280]

Good tutorial. Will this bike be offered with a front fender?

[@michaelmccullough7309]

It comes with it

[@CitizenCycle925]

yes, production models will have a front fender.

[@bennettcasey4895]

Is the throttle still essentially on/off like on the Freedom? The Freedom throttle kind of sucks IMO.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@bennettcasey4895 throttle works great. Very easy to modulate. I have no issues with my freedom throttle either.

[@st1nkh3ad]

so glad we bought a cheap amyet s8 awd its 48v but smokes the front tire it teaches you a lot about the dangers of awd and corners its just dangerous IMHO

[@scotta9114]

I bought an E-Bike in 1998 made by Currie. 24 volts, 15ah batteries. 18 MPH top speed. I'm converting the old E-Bike to LIFEPO4 batteries to reduce weight. I just bought a small foldable 20" E-Bike, 750 watt motor, 48 volts. It goes around 28 MPH. I have changed the settings so 20 MPH is top-speed. Being old and previously badly injured by a Roofing Contractor, I'm being extra cautious. I would like to have this Predator in tamed down form.

[@LoneWolf-jh3fi]

What about range. Speed is fine, but how much further can you go?

[@rayrussell6258]

This ebike is cadence sensor, not torque sensor? @6:24 I can hear the complainers shouting "foul" already! 😆 In your first video with this model, I was worried about wheel spin chewing up tires with the associated added expense of replacing them sooner, and also about batteries being depleted faster. Now I'm comfortable enough to consider actually buying one. Thanks for digging into the capabilities they've built-in, Citizen. One question remains in my mind .... changing all these settings can be done simply on the display screen, without the need for a smart phone interface?

[@sledhead904]

Lord. 🤦 Screen no app Cadence no torque nor do u want torque Tires are 60-100 each depending on what you get. Of course you do not need to spin out everytime. But awd bikes have this characteristic under full power launchs. Lifts the weight off the front wheel so it spins.

[@rayrussell6258]

@@sledhead904 thank you captain obvious about tire wear. lol I knew there'd be someone out there to complain 😉😄 (I'm joking) You probably didn't watch the whole video, since Citizen showed that tire spin can be basically eliminated in the settings for this AWD ebike. Added tire expense goes away, after that is done. I was not promoting torque, I prefer cadence although the ebike I own has torque -- at my age my leg strength is not what it used to be -- but I was recognizing that most "young" riders like the torque sensor and would complain. Am not sure if you were answering my question about changing settings or not, in your line "screen no app".

[@sledhead904]

@rayrussell6258 there's no app it's all done on the screen. No I watched it all, of course with less power you can eliminate the spin but the point is MOAAARRR POWER 😂😂 Get one dude! They are a blast. If u don't need the front motor the rear drive bikes and range on them is wonderful

[@rayrussell6258]

@@sledhead904 good, I hate apps. Actually power is still there, top speed doesn't change if I understand correctly; only the tire spin is controlled

[@jasonkrantz8946]

Are the seat hights the same?

[@MiniLuv-1984]

Wouldn't a traction control system be amazing?

[@dg9bfc]

yepp.. have both controllers on one box and compare the hall sensor signals.. if front slips the frequency of the front signals is higher as the rear ones.. if that happens turn current down to the front😢

[@michaelreed2467]

How much does the bike weigh with both batteries installed?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@michaelreed2467 123lbs

[@charliehustle5312]

Are there any ebike throttles that AREN'T total trash? They're all basically just an on/off switch. Maybe they'll have a millimeter of actual modulation.

[@MrT-tn4qe]

the throttles aren't the trash, its the bike itself, old technology.

[@dg9bfc]

I can easy control my seeker26 with throttle... if I am in a tighter space I set Pas level down and if I want max speed set it up and even in may setting I can modulate the power.. it's NOT on/off

[@norcaldave]

Please tell me i can do simular or same feature on furious emx?

[@user-kb8yl2qh3h]

Can you measure the height of the seat on the lowest setting to the floor

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@user-kb8yl2qh3h 35in from floor to top of seat

[@charlescane8723]

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE COMPLAINERS ❣️

[@Ukiah.Spirit]

Aww, baby has hurt feelings. 😓

[@darinsmith2458]

you were having way too much fun going slow.. just having another motor did it make the bike more cumbersome and less maneuverable?

[@michaelbattin]

what was your milage range?

[@CitizenCycle925]

i have not tested range

[@Ebikepowerlevel5]

How is the throttle on this bike compared to the freedom i know the freedom is a little jurkey

[@CitizenCycle925]

Throttle response is very good. You can modulate the throttle and do gradual takeoffs. I know some throttles have a very on/off feel this one does not.

[@MaxxPainII]

Is there a key or password to power it on. Thxs

[@rickymahoney6664]

I want my bike (Ghostcat V3 pro) with a controller like that to adjust power. I want pas 1 and 2 to have 50% torque for example but I haven't found a bike like that. Its either a big bike like this or a small bike that has what I want besides control of the power. I can limit the torque and speed but thats for all pas levels and thats not what i want. I need to do more research before I buy another bike

[@theresaspano-xq7nu]

How much?

[@kmtnbike1117]

I hate that hollow sound of the geared hubs. I have a 20” fat tire bike with a 750w geared hub and a BBSHD mid drive with a 3Kw asi controller both pushing the rear wheel. The mid has far more torque and is whisper quiet relative to the geared hub that I’m just too lazy to remove. Citizen needs to take that Grizzly and put a BBSHD on it with an upgrade controller and then he will see what smooth power is!!

[@dg9bfc]

try a direct drive hub with street tires and it's quiet as a church mouse

[@EojWashner-ik1sm]

I just wish i could afford to purchase a bigger or better range of power and range itself but I just got my 1st e bike and it's a Jasion eb-x but it claimed to have more range then I've gotten and also it claimed 25MPH and mine has never gotten over 24 when 1st got it ,now I'm lucky to get 20MPH after putting over 100 miles on it

[@rogermurphy9111]

I have 2439 on mine .20 is all ur gone to get

[@bullmoose8606]

That sounds like a tie fighter

[@brianminkc]

Considering you can buy a like new Harley Davidson Sportster circa 2009 with less than 3k miles for less, I paid $2,800 for mine. Ridiculous price on those e bikes for what they are.

[@MrT-tn4qe]

this company prices their bikes too high given the quality, check out e-cells they make same bikes but much higher quality for the price

[@MrT-tn4qe]

do you usually ride your Harley without a registration or plate, and never fill it with gas? Thats pretty cool I didn't know Harley made an ebike called Sportster I'll look it up

[@sledhead904]

Can't take a harley down a bike path towing kids in a trailer. Totally different applications. And awe I'm proud. I had a new 18 street glide 28k

[@justinw1765]

And I would say that Harleys' suck. The Japanese bikes tend to be much better built, more reliable, etc. There are some Harley models that are decent as far as build quality and reliability, but overall, the Japanese bikes are much better in that regard. But yeah, I do agree that the Predator is overpriced for what you get. I think the Freedom though is decently priced, especially when compared to other ebikes. The nice thing about Ebikes over motorcycles (I have both) is no registration, no insurance, no oil changing, no expensive gas (in my Ninja I need to run premium), you can get as little or as much exercise as you want and still get places, less dangerous overall, can go places motorcyles can't go, and are MUCH quieter (which may be a major plus for the below as well). And since the Earth's magnetic field strength is weakening at an ever faster rate, I'm gearing up for an eventual collapse (due to Solar storms knocking out electrical grids). I can "refuel" my 44 mph E-bike with Solar panels. When the lights/electricity goes out, good luck with gas. It will be very limited, and ethanol blended gas gets dirty pretty quick. And even if you have a bunch of fuel saved up and stored ahead of time, you'll have to defend an obvious to others resource.

[@ronjackson449]

Cool thx ❤

[@goldbearbunny4787]

Pretty sweet bikes

[@Mark_Maguire]

Love that thumbnail. How did you get Fidel Castro to pose for it? 😁

[@robertogiulio76]

Sono due settimane che provo a contattare la Wired.... Non mi rispondono né in chat, ne tramite email

[@nyersa1]

I ordered the predator a few days ago! I am going to be using it on steep, coarse gravel roads (logging roads, that kind of thing), will the stock tires hold up to sharp gravel?

[@jimmyjames8736]

No. The stock tires have small and widely spaced tread knobs. The tire area between the knobs is thin and vulnerable. A couple of more rugged options for you are Vee Tire Huntsman and HEB Allscape. They weigh more, but they have a lot thicker contact area.

[@nyersa1]

@@jimmyjames8736 Great thanks! A second question, do you have any recommendations for a cargo trailer for this bike?

[@jimmyjames8736]

@nyersa1 Quietkat makes a heavy-duty trailer for offroad use. It is pricey, but it is built better than any of the other trailers I've seen.

[@Timbodacious]

@@jimmyjames8736 all the reviews on their trailer on amazon say they break at the welds or bend.....

[@CitizenCycle925]

never hurts to add some tire liners. you dont want to be out in the woods get a flat and have to push your 125lb bike home.

[@johnking1233]

Price anyone ?

[@rogermurphy9111]

2400 I think .I'm 400 short

[@user-ch4ex3yy4l]

$3299

[@rogermurphy9111]

@@johnking1233 oh ur talking predator.for some reason I was thinking freggo 2.thats the one I want

[@dg9bfc]

grrrr. i bought my seeker too early.. now I would like to have the wired cause its so nice programmable... but.. my seeker only cost 1100 bucks 😂 52v dualmotor ... and even with a 2nd battry pack added it was below 1600

[@UncleJam5624]

I don't get the purpose, top speed is the same as the regular bike, you have to reduce the power to ride it comfortably and at full power you can't peddle or turn.

[@michaelreed2467]

I got it because I’m heavy, about 275 lbs, and plan to ride in areas with big hills so I would like the extra torque to be able to pull me up those hills. And why not be able to rip through some sand for the fun 😛

[@UncleJam5624]

@@michaelreed2467 He can't put the extra torque to work on flat ground, that bike is going to be all over the place going up a hill.