Creating A MEGA ECONOMY As Qing In Victoria 3

Victoria 3 Qing is the most powerful and richest nation in victoria 3 by far. This video explains how to reach insane economy as qing in vicky 3
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[@LudietHistoria]

If you don't click and watch this after, I will come after you and you will regret it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIbcmo2retyCeLc

[@Lion.313]

Can you do Habsburg Austria ?

[@LudietHistoria]

@@Lion.313 already done, just gotta edit it, but its in queue

[@Lion.313]

@@LudietHistoria nice

[@mateuszchrapek3828]

about the infamy for annexation in eu4... imagine if you could spend like 75% of original dip points of the annexation cost at the cost of like i dunno, like imagine if u have that option, and then a nation has like month to find supporters (or not) and fight if they dont wanna get annexed or just be annexed for the said 75% of starting dip points (at once)... that'ouldd be cool

[@hughsinclair5094]

[@maxvermeulen7346]

hello ludi, rail transportation will also be worth it if the wages paid outcede the cost of the railways, if you have lots of transportation it is worth switching, even though you have an infinite workforce :)

[@LudietHistoria]

Yes, true

[@newtubevector]

yeah but it's better to have more people with decent wages than fewer with good wages

[@thefrontline1]

@@newtubevector but that’s not better for resource production, you are trying to make your buildings as profitable as possible

[@anto8375]

Yeah, unprofitable factory in mid-late game are half empty and produce less. Sadly we must lower the number of employees.

[@triersero2763]

A university in every province from the start really helps with technology through tech spread.

[@laszlokiss483]

also qualifications which will get more pops moved up faster which is important for Qing and the mass of peasants

[@swanman183]

69th video of asking ludi for the first taungu empire achievement guide (nice)

[@starson4587]

why do you find it hard? The toughest thing is to be big enough to ally Bengal`s rivals.

[@swanman183]

@@starson4587 actully i just want to see him play taungu and at the same time not force him to make taungu campaign, although i would like to see him play taungu campaign.

[@klym8]

@@swanman183 those are valid reasons

[@thewafflegamer6152]

Nice

[@josephcola9662]

Opium wars literally be like: Great Britain: I have joined the war on drugs! Qing: So you'll help us get rid of the opium? Great Britain: On the side of the drugs!

[@comradelevplays3245]

The thing about opium is it's super moreish.

[@danielbennett4486]

Whats weird is I didn't even get an opium war when I announce ban on opium. No sign of the British. I mean I eventually bankrupted the country but thats a side note ;-)

[@colinyau5063]

Come on, Britain was exporting opium for gold and silver in exchange. They are literally the drug dealer, why would they get rid of their own export?

[@mydogswilkickurass]

Not sure if it's a glitch, but when you build your skyscraper you can build infinite building levels as long as they are qued at the same time. This brings that Provences bonuses to gov admin buildings to a ridiculous amount meaning you get tax capacity and ridiculous amounts of beurocracy in that Provence as well which allows you to build 1 Provence such as beijing up to a such a big level that you have hundreds of buildings in 1 spot and still get full taxes

[@whitehawk4099]

Pretty sure that's not working as intended.

[@mydogswilkickurass]

@@whitehawk4099 idk cause other wonders have a limit but you can do as many levels as you want in the first go on skyscrapers, the difference between the mechanics on each "wonder" make me think it's as intended, but will be reworked in the future. I'd want you to be able to build them in all provencrs but limit it to 1 per province or make them prohibitedly expensive, but for now it's a bit of a cheese tactic because you can make 1 Provence be ridiculously strong

[@Transtiraspol]

I went bankrupt from building over 500 skyscrapers :D

[@DanielRBW]

@@mydogswilkickurass Absolutely disagreed. I live in the UK, and there isn't a single skyscraper in the entirety of my county, or most of the counties in the country. Skyscrapers really shouldn't even be a thing you build in the game as such, to me they should be a discovery like in Vic 2, as a response to either job demand or population in cities. If you discover Skyscrapers you should get an option to spend (a significant, in my opinion) amount extra to have more bureacracy/tax capacity in a province that is already well developed.

[@ypsilonick8738]

@@mydogswilkickurass It works for other unique buildings too, but isn't as gamebreaking. You can build a Level 10 Suez Canal this way

[@klankungen7794]

Ludi: Remember, if you shift click on a province you build 5 factories at once Me: thank you for the reminders *continues to control click*

[@jacebeleren7512]

You know what would be cool? A Sardinia Piemont playthroug Day 4

[@marcuspmedeiros]

Wow, I was trying Qing today, great timed video

[@krankarvolund7771]

Like, Opium is a big problem in China, but in 50 years when you research campaign hospitals, you'll need tons of the stuff for the army XD Like, I played France, I had to conquer Afghanistan and build a hundred plantations of the stuff for my army, it's insane XD

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

Just play Afghanistan next time

[@bruh-th5ft]

I dont use any war recovery methods until opium is unnecessary, just tank up your economy and out class your ememy with absolute military

[@AR-il4er]

I recently discovered your channel and its a hidden gem.

[@LudietHistoria]

Awww you too nice a r. We can't have nice people running around like this, off to the gulag with you

[@AR-il4er]

@@LudietHistoria You get what you deserve! You're a nice guy

[@LudietHistoria]

@@AR-il4er no u

[@josephcola9662]

I really wish that they would add a way to refuse to let someone back down. Maybe you get an increased amount of infamy for it, but I have seen an endless amount of Vicky 3 videos where the player gets annoyed by having to wait 15+ years to take 1 province at a time because the AI is too scared to fight.

[@Transtiraspol]

Yes, adding a "attack anyway" event option is simple. But it should have heavy penalties.

[@DanielRBW]

Easy solution.The time to back down should be longer than the gap between adding wargoals. Adding wargoals should make it increasingly easier and more likely for people with interests to join conflicts. The more wargoals you have the more maluses you should have for fighting (perhaps to simulate interest from the other side? I imagine people fighting in Serbia in WW1 had far more serious/personal concerns for fighting than Germans). Or maybe the more wargoals the other side demands the less war exhaustion or the equivalent increases.

[@Chadmlad]

I made the EXACT same mistake by enacting Dedicated Police Force. So funny to see I wasnt the only one that made that mistake lmao

[@LudietHistoria]

yup, was a big shock xD

[@JonnehBongeh]

11:40, Less workers result in less wages being payed by the factory, meaning it becomes a lot more efficient which is what you want.

[@wayneton3420]

I think while this is the case for many countries, for Qing (and India) you have such an overabundance of labor and your economy scales up so large that it ends up better in a lot of cases to stay in the more labor-intensive modes.

[@cammurabi]

For Qing, you want more people employed, not just higher profit margins. You cannot build enough high efficiency factories to employ everyone without oversupplying the world, but you have a functionally limitless pool of peasants

[@JJP-lb3ek]

@@cammurabi actually, you can. I was able to employ all the population of great qing in either factories or farms. the more you build, the more they get jobs, the higher their demands for goods is. it gets to the point where even farms give insane salaries and quality of life is 20+

[@cammurabi]

@@JJP-lb3ek that's awesome. I keep trying!

[@seitch1]

More Qing playthroughs please.

[@Afdch]

Eu4 does have an annex vassal penalty though, not in AE but in diplo rep form. Still

[@LudietHistoria]

not if you take the right priviledge which cancels that debuff sir!

[@dantrianon4248]

Awesome Bedeoloniculum!!!!! I love to see the Vic3 content, it is an amazing game, and you are an amazing youtubies creator

[@Parmenides100]

They changed a couple of things recently. Now it´s actually a challenge to play China, in particular early on, since the British mostly likely attack you if you pick the decision to resist them at the event. Also, it generates a lot of infamy whenever you attack your neighbours.

[@thelegendarybreadbuttera.4136]

ludi is turning into a smurf, the blue tinged is amazing XD

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

I find it funny how you banned slavery in the Qing Funfact, it was banned around the early 1900s or so there.

[@Guacamoc]

You have helpful tidbits I like that

[@cragnamorra]

Enabling Rail Transportation in the mines & plantations isn't just about by reducing workers there. It also creates demand for the Transportation good, which is needed for the railways to become self-sustaining and not need government subsidization. Good video!

[@Elitrian]

But Qing doesn't have that issue as you have a massive demand for transportation in the first place!

[@guillermoc9957]

Ludi we need a guide about laws and wich one should we aim :(

[@tfk_lotr2394]

22:22 ludi, it already is, when you integrate a subject and u dont have integrated subjects policy or whatever it's called, you get -3 diplo rep

[@subboid]

There's a guy on the Paradox forums who initially managed to get a billion GDP by 1860, but has refined it to 4 billion by building a wonder early on

[@LudietHistoria]

Damn thats insanely epic

[@subboid]

@@LudietHistoria I've tried replicating it without success. His instructions aren't that clear, and I think it takes a bit of luck with changing laws etc. But I understand the principle behind what he's doing - with decrees, economies of scale etc

[@SlyphYT]

As Qing? Earliest I've managed is 1 Billion by 1870 as Great Britain.

[@subboid]

@@SlyphYT yeah Qing. Yunnan and Shanxi basically become pure iron mines with railroads to keep upping infrastructure and max out the economies of scale

[@balintszij7126]

I wish you continued this :D

[@TyLee960]

Never pay for a catastrophe relief in victoria 3. It lowers the devastation by 20% which goes away in twenty seconds anyway.

[@peachprincess758]

Ludi ludi ludi you’re my everything

[@Bighawkeye46]

So I've struggled transitioning to steel framed buildings without absolutely wrecking my economy. Should I prepare for it by building steel mills and glassworks? Or does it eventually level out and you can build them after the transition?

[@priceless3020]

Transition once you have steel glass and coal in surplus in the market screen. Or as close to it as possible. You can also switch state construction sectors over individually to have a more gradual effect.

[@rosehogenson1398]

Switch one construction sector at a time until you can build up your steel and glass

[@iamfourmana3150]

Lubi you should try out the East India Company. They have some interesting mechanics

[@stygn]

Huge warning regarding Nitroglycerine. It massively increases mortality, so if you are a country with few people, I would recommend waiting for Dynamite. Of course, with China it really doesn't matter, but keep it in mind.

[@R1cardoo]

Decreasing the workers because of production methods also makes you pay less wages so it can make the farms and factories more profitable

[@thedanelord2329]

good video keep op the good work and #nr 1

[@thedanelord2329]

nr 1*

[@ATemplarIGuess]

0:56 The Year was 1900 T'is worth remembering The Men who lived through 55 days at Peking T'was Called the Boxer insurrection Of Bloody Oriental War Against all Nations Of the Diplomatic Core

[@aliabdallah2235]

Automating your industry is definitely worth it. Less workers that needs to be paid. It also creates demand for more resources, which will grow your market (since you're producing everything domestically). Even when it says you're going to make a loss it can be worth it since you "force" your population to demand more expensive resources (that you'll be selling).

[@aliabdallah2235]

Coz unlike in real life where you have to produce and buy various machinery (which is way more expensive than 19th century Chinese labour), in Vic 3 the factories magically transform by clicking an icon.

[@fabian9300]

Would be really fun if you reunited greater Romania and became n1 in SoL

[@Ludisan]

Yo this guy asked some romanian witches to steal my wallet and now I'm poor. Help #freelubi

[@LudietHistoria]

Get rekt vergin

[@stepheningram6415]

This was cool! Why no Japan War?

[@ziopera91]

22:22 that is a feature in eu4, the -3 diplo reputation

[@darthmalgus9039]

You just need to assign one estate privilege to stop it though

[@ziopera91]

@@darthmalgus9039 yea I know but that +15% nobility influence is a pain especially in the age of absolutism

[@hoyinching9313]

Great Qing, Great

[@hoyinching9313]

In my first game, I play as Great Britain, trying to end the Opium war as soon as possible 🤣

[@ryszardmaciek4240]

Reducing number of labourers is actually important for social reasons - if they are politically active they mostly support landowners

[@helborgkurt4922]

How you fix the taxation capcity for this nation

[@pohorex6834]

I wish I had the CPU for a big market like qing

[@Mr.Noob1]

How can you integrate your subject? Because so far I didn't see this button to do so anywhere.

[@TehKarmalizer]

I believe you need poor relations with them to enable the annex diplomatic play.

[@Mr.Noob1]

@@TehKarmalizer Yes you need to do it this way, figured it out after 80+ hours of playing this game.

[@GMHD777]

Ive heard that opium is terribly moreish old boy. + if you press control and click it builds 10x

[@mattardyantoriyadi]

Can you play as one of Indonesia's kingdom and unified all the archipelago including malaysia and the phillipines and form maphilindo? It'll be great

[@wasifzakwan8722]

22:58 THE PUNS!

[@georgian4516]

Then, the emperor died and his sons and brothers start a great civil war

[@ssss8162]

Whats with the EU4 music in the background?

[@tomaszlewy8827]

Cing ciang ciong portfel wsiąkł, ponieważ Ludi jest z tego znany.

[@damian-cq9bk]

mooooore Qing please :)

[@Cigmacica]

Could you play austria after this? It’s fun to form austria-hungary/germany with it

[@mehmetkayraozer9164]

Austria-Hungary sucks

[@ryanbradley3293]

I literally have daydreams about how dominant and super industrialized to the max this nation could be, literally exporting millions of metric tons of goods per hour, and having all the population distributed evenly, all as Han Chinese, throughout everywhere in the country, which would be the entire world except the americas and Europe, who are entirely dependent on the imports of Qing goods.

[@HEEHEEBOII]

One thing I found with China is that after doing the Qing --> First republic --> Nationalist China (ROC) ---> Communist China (PRC), I ran into a lot of issue with oil and rubber in the late game. Eventually causing me to fall behind on military tech and running a huge deficit lol.

[@biggie_boss]

Sometimes it's better to have simpler methods of production for buildings. Don't just update every method to newest tech if you don't have things like oil to support them.

[@HEEHEEBOII]

@@biggie_boss yeah thanks man, this game's economy management is pretty realistic, I learned that now lol.

[@biggie_boss]

@@HEEHEEBOII Yessir, it's all supply and demand. One thing that's underrated is to increase export tariffs on goods that you produce but you need more of them. If you export less of it, the domestic market price will go down due to increased supply. It's one reason why I feel like free trade is really bad when you're trying to be self-sufficient.

[@azpont7275]

Honestly that workforce, not infinite, big, but not infinite. I can put consistently around 90% of it to work around the 1880-90s. You just have to build and research more, 5-10 unis/province and around 750 construction sectors should by that stage of the game. So yeah, most coal based better production methods to reduce workforce will be needed, but with such a large workforce, it's definitely not priority. After that, it's just a WC for resources, bc AI is terrible at mining them out for you.

[@miguelrodrigues8504]

Hello great channel. Discovered it by vic3 tutorials. I am doing the quing empire but I can't change laws and I don't know why. Can you help me please

[@songzg42]

try to drag different political powers into government to initiate some laws and then kick them out after they are approved to make government stabalized. Also by extremely rapidly industralize you can increase the power of the capitalist and nerf the landowners. The biggest problem in East Asia and Russia is the over power landowner political power who will against every laws that lead to modernization.

[@kalterverwalter4516]

Asking Ludi to finally eat that Haggis. Try 5

[@senselessbkrow6803]

No one believe you when you say "I'll stop inventing new words"

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

Great Qing is broken af in vic 2. Funny how it's broken here too.

[@honkai8692]

There's a way to do 1b gdp as qing before year 1856.. Just saying, if you are interested in making more videos about victoria3 qing empire.

[@stefaanverschelde5852]

And ctrl click makes it 10 things in the queue

[@hitmanamjed3034]

ludi :North German taking Tyrol that's weird Me who did the exact same thing a few days ago 😶

[@shawnb1649]

Next Ludi video = OPM who dominates the world with Opium.

[@An0xymoron127]

Immediately going iron frames as Qing omegalul

[@chimkenyeeet]

Lol you called it Ming at 11:16 lol

[@dyne313]

Why are you changing to Harvesting Tools? The only thing it does is reduce the amount of laborers working. But as Ching, you don't have any issues finding laborers.

[@LudietHistoria]

Because i need my tooling workshops to produce tools for more money. By having harvesting tools i make more money from the use of tools

[@frazmeup]

Me with no construction center as Brunei lmao

[@legueu]

4:44 classic China move

[@Aarlaeoss]

Ludi, check back with Eu4 custom nations. There are some new, shall we say overpowered, ideas. Such as Goods Produced +2.00

[@moyo2850]

odd i went after Dai nam right at the start.

[@Eisenwulf666]

Minorities in China diminishing in numbers every year...i wonder why is that? 🤔 Great video Ludi, thanks for the entertainment

[@ouyangon5711]

你在跟我开玩笑吗，去看看中国少数民族人口比70年前翻了两番的数据

[@Fun4luve]

14:25 new words are my favorite parts of the videos so don't you dare!

[@Nemxxi]

Don't ever let someone tell you, you can't invent new words Not even me. You got a dream, you got to protect it.

[@triersero2763]

3:10 it's a trap!

[@alkasharma9148]

Wut are you doin with your life ludi?

[@mihirhudda6369]

ludi part 2 world conquest.

[@np5229]

0:57 Eight-Nation Alliance

[@LudietHistoria]

bingo!

[@4theemperor404]

need ep 2

[@joaomelo7018]

the portuguese gave away macau without a fight. historical af

[@anantkaushik3035]

Next time if you build a construction sector first in the province you want to build some factories, then they will be built faster. Your starting build was Qing bad.

[@luka.pilasanovic]

part 2!

[@1-ZombieMad]

Eyy ludie why are you not streming anymore on twitch? 🤔

[@johnnyboy3410]

11:16 awww, already miss Ming ?

[@floodercw]

5:13 Cheap affordable weed I guess

[@sahilhossain8204]

Hmm yes lore of great Qing momentum 100

[@drs_gamer41]

Anyone else noticed that the AI cannot improve China? In my Japan game I noticed their GDP stagnated for the entire game, meanwhile mine turned into a rocket.

[@logannoble6707]

honestly seems to be the same for any non European power so far in my games

[@alexandererhard2516]

Yeah the AI doesn't seem to be good so far. If I am for example buying huge quantities of expensive goods, shouldn't that make them very profitable, and therefore encourage them to make more?

[@songzg42]

China needs a huge amount of administrative buildings to sustain the huge consumption of administrative points and loss of tax revenue, while there is a huge population to be employed. The biggest difference between China and other countries is that his economy cannot use automated production schemes that do not enhance any real resource output, such as railroad transportation. Otherwise, the large number of unemployed workers generated by the technological upgrade would become radicals and affect the stability of all regions of the country, which would further slow down construction, resource output and increase tax losses. Once China did not defeat the British and Portuguese in 1839 to become the area that would have rubber after the powers went out to colonize and rapidly industrialize, then China's economy would have been in a dead-end cycle.

[@kaffka4753]

Still waiting for the Brunei powerhouse

[@French408]

7:37 It is Chinese though. Qing = Chin Great = a I'm really surprised a history graduate doesn't know this.

[@baldimorgornest8872]

Video 46 of asking for a releasable Nitra tutorial.

[@m.a.9571]

Bing Qingling

[@DML_73]

6:55 Ludi, please, don't use only your mouse

[@artexl05]

Hey Ludi please play as Oman

[@alatamore]

War against Vietnam...what could go wrong with that? (and yes, I know he is playing China not the US)

[@appate]

Italy please !

[@anteep4900]

its the super qings

[@mattiaspadoni1365]

2nd asking for Ludi Italy on Victoria III

[@robertmowrey2009]

You know I like your made-up words and commentary. "Schappledoople", is more sophisticated and mature that what I usually hear online.

[@LudietHistoria]

ahahah thanks Robert, much love bro :D

[@Transtiraspol]

Mega economy Qing is fun, by being bolder with construction industry you can reach it much sooner. But upon hitting 3 bln gdp the game becomes a lagfest. There are some serious optimization issues here. I never reached anywhere near full taxation capacity, I doubt it's profitable as Qing, you need impossible amounts of paper that is bottlenecked by lumber.

[@Elitrian]

sounds like you need to conquer some more forests!

[@nicbahtin4774]

as the saying goes "china will grow larger"

[@adamwheeler2076]

Every time I do Opium Wars Britain and Portugal attack me. Why didn’t they?

[@LudietHistoria]

Because I waited until my economy and army was 10x stronger than theirs before I enacted the opium wars