Drinker's Chasers - Rings of Power: Bad Writing and Fan Attacks

[@Stormtrooper990]

Quote from the man himself Peter Jackson: 'We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves.'

[@MrGreenAKAguci00]

Yeah and say what you will about the Hobbit movies, he still tried to make an epic that wasn't skewed politically, it could have been a money grab although I personally don't think it was. Dude just took a swing and missed is what I think. They really wanted to turn everything up to 11 with it and it ended up being grotesque and a parody at times. Regardless of that though. Everyone who worked on that poured a lot of effort and often love into these movies. You can't convince me that Cumberbatch didn't worked his ass off and poured his heart into Smaug. While I genuinely feel like people behind the tv show often didn't even try to understand or care or something... It's just empty.

[@gmonkman]

@@MrGreenAKAguci00 You dont think it was a money grab?

[@fattiger6957]

@@MrGreenAKAguci00 Jackson felt obligated to make it. Guillermo Del Toro was the original director, but exited (I'll get more to that later) and Jackson took over to salvage the project rather than allow the studio to destroy it. Almost all the bad decisions could be laid at the feet of the studio, New Line Cinema. They were the ones who mandated it be made into 3 movies, the worst decision that made the series so bad. I think it's obvious that Del Toro hated working under those conditions and that's why he left. If Jackson didn't step up and take over, New Line would have hired another director who would be their puppet.

[@lukeluckynblue1873]

@@MrGreenAKAguci00 Hobbit even tho cant beat LOTR ..is still having the most important thing ..it had HEART and you felt you are watching tolkien work.. this show dont have a heart at all everything is forced on you

[@vladimiralexanderlagos1477]

@@MrGreenAKAguci00 Say what you may about the guy, but in my book he was a class act, at least in what respects to this story. Seeing what these noobs did to the story makes me appreciate his original trilogy even more.

[@rivolinho]

When I was younger, I wouldn't have understood why the Tolkien estate was so possessive of the source material, even to the point of belittling Peter Jackson's trilogy, which was about as much of a love letter to a book as Hollywood could ever make.... Now, I understand completely.

[@fatalblue]

This reminds of the interview by the writer of YA novel Shadow and Bone. She wouldn't allow Netflix to adapt her books into a show (S2 when?) unless she was involved directly and gurrenteed safety from being pushed out.

[@jkdbuck7670]

Christopher Tolkien didn't like the movies. Then it dawned on me that Christopher wasn't reacting as the head of some archives, he was probably reacting as a son. Peter Jackson did a great job for most of us, but couldn't please Professor Tolkien's son. I don't think any director could.

[@JoeTheLion60]

Royd Tolkien happily starred in ROTK and thought it was great!

[@UteChewb]

What I don't understand is that the Tolkien estate has so much money that they could fund a TV series of parts of the Silmarillion themselves, hiring someone like HBO to do the development while the estate had full creative control and retained all rights. I think perhaps they just didn't see the value in TV or film, or that they thought it antithetical to the form of the story.

[@disgusting1422]

@@UteChewb I think they just wanted everything in there, even telling the full story of frodo or bilbo would be 20 hour movies. Trimming it down to even three 2.5 hour movies is butchering the source material. Those events are 6-12 months long. Putting the entirely of the second age into a TV series is nuts.

[@Gorgon9090]

The Writing in this show really feels like when you're struggling to meet the word count on an essay and start making stuff up to sound intelligent.

[@allamerican8288]

lol yup. right clicking on a random word to find a synonym that makes the sentence sound good

[@aaronburdon221]

*shifty eye glances* don't know what you're talking about.

[@jackcanox4015]

Yeah! It's just...bloated! Words for the sake of words

[@darthplagueis3400]

Sounds like Camala

[@jessehamm3573]

It's the epitome of pretentious writing. Use enough flowery words and cheesy metaphors and the audience may be deceived into believing that the substance behind the speech is, in some way, "provocative".

[@MichaelM-ik7nz]

Galadriel feels like an angry girlfriend, who is passive aggressive all the time, because you did something wrong without telling you what you did.

[@yarak91]

If the happy Galadriel is like in that horse riding scene I’ll take the aggressive one before I cringe to death

[@MichaelM-ik7nz]

@@yarak91 In this scene she looks like she is riding after her Boyfriend who just broke up but she is not allowing it.

[@justintidwell6628]

Elendil: What's wrong? Galadriel: Nothing. Its fine. Elendil: You seem upset. Galadriel: I said I'm fine. Elendil: You should smile more. Galadriel smiles. Elendil: Never mind. Don't do that.

[@sirbonobo3907]

american wämän in a nutshell.

[@parisloop6855]

She should meet She-Hulk so they could argue about whether it's worse that men or elves speak to them.

[@RetroPages]

Also, the troll fight in LOTR, Aragorn gets knocked out, Boromir gets his bell rung when thrown against the wall. No one is invincible.

[@CorePathway]

Ummm, Galadriel is. She can swim a whole ducking ocean and can wander the earth for years without carrying any supplies. She kills whilst looking away, dismissively.

[@kaj7135]

@@CorePathway lol female “badasses” are the definition of cringe.

[@stephenschenider4007]

@@CorePathway Wasn't she gang raped in the black tower?

[@csl110]

@@robertmusil1107 you guys are cringe as fuck. Captain marvel is that powerful. That's why she was used briefly, otherwise it would kill the tension.

[@Rondel56]

@@robertmusil1107 It feels like all the Hollywood show writers watched One Punch Man and didn’t realize him being way to op was meant as satire against other op protagonists

[@LouisZephyr]

When Galadriel saw the rings and said "Impressive, very nice, let's see Paul Allen's ring" i literally started crying. As if Tolkien himself wrote this masterpiece

[@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167]

Squash?

[@mrbeety]

Egg shell white ring has always been the best ring

[@bigbadwolf9513]

🤣🤣🤣

[@josephcowley1045]

J

[@harrypike5140]

The tasteful thickness of it...

[@fransker13]

I heard that earths rotation has slowed due to Tolkien spinning so fast in his grave

[@morbidone88]

It's been scientifically shown to be true 👍

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

Glue some magnets to his corpse and you'd supply half the world's electricity.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Did you see what JustSomeGuy said? "Tolkien isn't rolling in his grave, he's wishing he could be cremated so when the Second Coming of Christ happens, he won't have eyes to see this abomination." Hot damn...😳😳😳

[@morbidone88]

@@MeanBeanComedy that was an awesome video. Basically destroyed it so logically and so thoroughly, it was beautiful

[@doublebrewski1855]

If we ran copper wire underground and hooked it up to his coffin, California's energy crisis would be over.

[@bespokehero]

Most irritating thing was in episode 2 when she’s in the water, the sword/dagger keeps disappearing and reappearing when necessary for the plot

[@CorePathway]

There is a very long list of most irritating things. A very, very long list.

[@metalassassin8841]

What about her having more men after the troll fight xD ? These mfs can't even count.

[@MurderMostFowl]

Oh come on… you’re faulting the show for a prop continuity error? As things go, that’s really minor.

[@scarletfox2505]

@@MurderMostFowl prop continuity is a magazine on a kitchen counter. This isnt that.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

That's just bad directing.

[@pretikewl76]

This show is the result of hiring your entire crew and cast based on skin color, who they sleep with, and who they voted for. NOT for any actual TALENT.

[@cadbane6523]

You just described how corporate America does its hiring too. That's why customer service is trash these days. A bunch of weirdos talking about their pronouns instead of working

[@Lonovavir]

The showrunners (J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay) have virtually no writing credits yet are somehow in charge of a LOTR series. That's like being promoted from an intern to CFO.

[@mrecamping5496]

@@Mamarozan you know I show is really bad when you have to do research to see who really f*cked it up. I was so confused by the casting, I spent a week researching the lore and realized they could have added diversity properly and made people of color still look badass but they obviously were too lazy. They are also misrepresenting major characters of the lore pretty much destroyed any chance of this being as amazing as Tolkien's original works. This is basically politically motivated fan fiction at this point.

[@samblack5313]

Activists and artists are not the same thing, even if they both class themselves as writers.

[@jimkellysafro]

Hollywood has had the “sex casting couch” since silent movies. It's always been based on nepotism: Colin Hanks, Scott Eastwood etc. POC have been acting for time: Sidney Poitier, Denzel Washington etc. The worst actor is Galadriel. POC have minor roles. If the show sucks it sucks but nothing has changed in Hollywood. If anyone is severely lacking talent it's Galadriel “Karen”.

[@beardedraven7285]

It is telling they had to wait til Chris died. That man was the definition of what it means to be a son. To carry a legacy. No amount of money can replicate it.

[@christopher9152]

well said.

[@cmln2413]

@Bearded Raven Be careful there, your ignorance is completely starting to show!!

[@marbellaotaiza801]

👏👏👏

[@inferior3199]

That whole snow troll fight felt like an God Of War Quick time event kill.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Oh my god, that's exactly what it is!!

[@jaychimera372]

i was expecting lightsaber sound effects when guyladriel does this STUPID sword twirl thing before the final headblow to the troll

[@Trewq79]

No, those two are TOTALLY different. In GoW, there is miniscule of a fraction of stress that you press the wrong button. In RoP, Galadriel has absolutely no stress taking down a giant troll.

[@inferior3199]

@@Trewq79 True. Kratos puts in the effort and is not immune to mistakes.

[@michaelpipkin9942]

That's perfect.

[@domtest2460]

Another factor about the comparison of the cave troll scene in FoTR to the Snow Troll scene in RoP that i think is compelling is there is even some degree of empathy and sadness felt towards the cave troll itself when it is fighting and finally dies. In it's saddened wide eyed facial expressions, its groans and it's slow staggering death, you almost feel like this is a simple tormented creature fighting more out of panic and fear, almost akin to bulls in a Spanish bullfighting arena...An additional plus to this type of portrayal of a simple cave troll also helps with the suspension of disbelief as it makes you forgive any bad special effects by the nature of the beasts behaviour and character on screen. So what i am alluding to is how Peter Jacksons crews' consideration to filmaking is all encompassing in it's character portrayals. It's not just using creatures on screne as a stepping stone in an action scene but as an ACTUAL CHARACTER. Where as the snow troll in RoP is exactly what soooooo many things are used for in films and tv now. A bland CGI tool used to convey a minor plot point or an undeveloped plot contrivance with the minimal amount of effort and consideration. My final point is that I FELT something towards the cave troll in FoTR, Yet i felt NOTHING towards the snow troll in RoP.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

That is one of those scenes you always remember. The troll is this horrible monster bent on killing the fellowship and skewers Frodo then as soon as it dies you realize its some poor beast enslaved by the orcs to do their will. The whole Moria part of the movie is an insane emotional rollercoaster.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

Minimum effort, maximum monetary gains.

[@dbf1dware]

@@ColoradoStreaming I completely agree. I remember the very first time I saw FotR in the theater. During the fight, I was all amped for our heroes to kill this rampaging thing. Then as soon as he staggered and fell, I actually choked up a bit. I felt horrible, especially since just seconds before, I was rooting for it to get killed. Super well done scene.

[@bluefish4999]

Just great writing and direction to show empathy for a creature they could of went full evil with.

[@shelbybenson1896]

True! Everything about that scene was well done. It was a team effort to take out the troll and also, the troll was only doing what it was forced to do by its masters. The troll just wanted to be left alone but was forced into a fight instead. Another thing appreciate about the LOTR trilogy is that Peter Jackson took the time to show that orcs are individuals with personalities. This isn’t meant to make us sympathize with them because they are truly evil, but they also aren’t just mindless, faceless cgi monsters. There is no hive-mind trope that would allow all orcs to spontaneously die upon the destruction of the ring. They are as individual as the rest of the beings of Middle Earth, even the trees. RIP cave troll. 😢

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

It's almost hilarious how the father of Fantasy, the lore, the everything the billion dollars... And THIS is what they come up with

[@chasehedges6775]

Just baffling

[@charc0al_tv]

After Disney spent a billion to do the same to Star Wars why would anyone expect any different

[@IBTU]

Fantasy been around a lot longer than this trash

[@laoch5658]

they are purposely trying to ruin these classics. A billion dollars means nothing to amazon

[@schwartzy65]

Just imagine what peter jackson and his team could have done :O

[@TheColosiss]

That moment when Guyladriel held Excalibur aloft and yelled "For Narnia" was so inspiring.

[@starwrecker7524]

But in the book, written by J.R.R.R Ewing Tolkien from 1969, she actually said: "By the power of Gayskull!"

[@LW1Tok]

It was such a brave and stunning scene. It was so emotional and I cried so much.

[@rubix4195]

Leave C.S Lewis out of this - he will be mortified what Amazon did to his best friend's work. :D

[@mickeymyers13]

@@starwrecker7524 😂😂😂 perfect, I was about to do the obligatory He-Man reference, but you did it way better 'cause I was just gonna write Grayskull 👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻

[@marbellaotaiza801]

​@@starwrecker7524 yep, the original message was such a wasted opportunity...

[@amac6214]

The show is 100% soulless, and it is so because it was made for corporate greed rather than love of the creator, the material and what it stands for. This show is horribly written with unlikable smug main characters, unlikable cardboard secondary characters, and unlikable already established characters who were changed to fit what the "writers" THOUGHT they should be like instead of what they ARE. It isn't going to change that sometimes the CGI is absolutely breathtaking, and other times it looks like it's made from CG work from the 2000s. The dialogue sounds like it was written by some high school student who barely passed AP philosophy who thinks they can spin prose to mimic Tolkien's words, but in actuality, what they write is as deep as a puddle. And the ALLEGORY!!! The allegory that's littered throughout its entirety that's as subtle as a flying brick. I just....

[@fuckwitmcdipshit2963]

It is soulless because it was made by incompetent ideologues that have infiltrated every level of society.

[@jayjordan7104]

Calling BS on this. It was not made for corporate greed. If it was made for corporate greed it would be more attuned to the actual built in fan base ($$$) and the stories they love. This show was made for Leftist Woke Ideology, the opportunity to tear down everything they hate.

[@BruhMoment-fr4zr]

It's just more shitty corporate fiction driven by HR department weirdos and soulless hacks. Even the "controversies" are being prepackaged, how many times have we pledged our undying loyalty to progressive social mores? Like every fucking day? Good grief, not even cults are this neurotic. Either way, who gives a fuck. I treat modern media like gum on my shoe, I scrape it off and carry on with my life.

[@MurderMostFowl]

Dude you’re being super harsh. There’s a clunkiness to some of the dialog in the first 2 episodes, I’ll give you that. But by the 3rd episode, I really think things are much improved and we have a few additional characters, and some good world building stuff. I don’t think the CGI looks bad at all… in fact other than the one scene of Galadriel at the beginning of the first episode, I think the CGI matches the level of the LOTR movies pretty well.

[@DarrellTurnerJr]

@@MurderMostFowl are you serious or trolling?

[@RanMouri82]

This show's dialogue is on the level of, "My dog stepped on a bee."

[@Maryondo]

Well, that would at least be an more interesting story arc.

[@SheldonAdama17]

To quote the Drinker, if the Hobbit trilogy killed LOTR as a franchise, then Rings of Power bent its corpse over a table using the teddy bear from his Doctor Who analogy.

[@unitedeagle4046]

I liked the hobbit

[@NathanCassidy721]

I wouldn’t say it killed it so much as it’s still very popular but it definitely botched the obvious attempt to make it Star Wars. All RoP did was ruin its chances at being Game of Thrones. Thank God.

[@jackofblades82]

The Hobbit movies are ok, they're still rewatchable.

[@blatherskite3009]

With some heavy editing, the Hobbit could be fine. When the Hobbit films are good, they're very good - Gollum is great, Smaug is great, Christopher Lee is incapable of not being great, etc. Personally, I'm glad they made it while all the actors could still pass for their LOTR trilogy selves, and it's better that there's too much of it than not enough - because you can always cut stuff, but you can't add it if you didn't shoot it.

[@anteante2332]

@@NathanCassidy721 I wouldn't even say that this is more like them trying to make a shitty project and going "see it's part of this you like according to the counteract part x segment y". Warner Bros. will try to make it star wars because they are making an animated lort piece but I don't anything else.

[@SuperExpert]

Lmao 🤣 Halbrand: "You ever thought of just being a giant eye?" Galadriel: "What?" Halbrand:"Nothing...nevermind..."

[@MisterWileyOne]

Modern Writing: "Diversity for diversity sake trumps authenticity." So glad I cancelled streaming services and that Drinker et al is watching all these shitshows to spare us.

[@kaj7135]

False. Modern writers would never be able to say “trumps” without hyperventilating and having a panic attack.

[@Jaristandbeeld]

Yes but therefore I fear for Drinkers et al's mental health. We should give them medals.

[@bluefish4999]

I abandoned that ship a long time ago, so many great movies through the world and decades to watch you couldn't get to it in a lifetime, I refuse to watch something that is an outright insult to my intelligence. I love the golden era of Japanese film in all of it's glory, but also love the 70-80s low budget trash, the latter having some bad movies but they have something modern hollywood doesn't - heart!

[@dudesayingthings]

I did the same thing. Don't regret it even one bit.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

If you want good show, I recommend you Spartacus the series.

[@space_pollution]

I saw the photo of Dominic Monaghan, Elijah Wood, and Billy Boyd wearing the diversity shirts, and I just burst out laughing at Billy Boyd’s and Elijah Woods’s expressions, they just looked so dead inside. All three looked like they were being held at guиpoint. I feel bad for laughing but the looks on their faces combined with their body language just sent me.

[@cardenasr.2898]

Amazon desperately calling the original trilogy actors to stand with those shirts it's pathetic, like saying "you see, racists? The original actors support us and our message! We have the high ground!"

[@roryboytube]

It looked like they were at a Pride march. 🤣

[@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn]

Knowing Amazon they probably were held at gunpoint

[@Lonovavir]

Soulless Corporation to fans: You suck!!! Your source material sucks!!!! We’re going to retcon it!!!! Don’t watch it!!!! *Fans don’t watch the show/movie* Also Soulless Corporation to fans: How could you ruin our story?

[@benjaminaswad6486]

@time to leave earth Dont know what you're selling, but we're watching something else.

[@gianna526]

Lmao exactly. It's quite interesting to see it fold out. First they wanted us to love it, because they were doing it "For the fans" the fans had some criticisms, they got mad, called us racist, and said everything about us and the source material sucks. Then the show comes out, and we're trolls for having criticisms, but even though they said it's being review bombed, they also claim that Tolkien fans loved it, even though all Tolkien fans suck and are racist trolls.

[@mjg3379]

Holy shit. The Little Platoon hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD with the problem of diversity in today's shows and movies. So well said

[@CrimsonFIame]

Sickening that Amazon is playing the racist card just to avoid negative press and push back against criticism

[@zoebaggins90]

It's standard procedure at this point.

[@GrooveStreetss]

They even had T shirts ready 🤣

[@CorePathway]

But but but IT’S SO COURAGEOUS! SO BRAVE! THEY ARE CHANGING THE WORLD! No, really. They actually believe this, and will die on this hill.

[@zoebaggins90]

@@CorePathway exactly, this is why they're defending this crap. I know because I was one of them. I used to be a leftist who thought I was defending the right thing.

[@RoyalFizzbin]

We need to start demanding receipts.

[@emilynolan187]

The obsession with REPRESENTION is baffling to me. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. There were lots of fantasy/ adventure movies for kids in that time. Most of them had a young boy as the central character. I never once thought "I can't enjoy this because it's not a girl" or "I guess only boys can do these things". I just watched them obsessively and loved them! Amazon is more interested in self-congratulation than a good storyline and that's why this show will not ever be as loved as the Peter Jackson trilogy.

[@garethbattersby]

Thats the thing. Everyone who grew up in the 70's, 80's and earlier never had an issue with things like skin colour or gender matching with themselves to enjoy the movies or character. We were raised with Judge not by the colour of skin but by the content of their character. We were inspired by Ellen Ripleys bravery, Landos leadership skills and worried about him in the battle of Endor, we saw Indians Jones swinging along and saw him as a bad ass and a brilliant intelligent person. Not once did we ever look at these people and didn't get inspire or connect because they didn't look like us. This is a very new invention thats taken us backwards by decades. It's heartbreaking

[@adrianrussell7769]

Race swapping isn't the thing that's killing this series... It's bad Writing. But let's not act like this hasn't been a thing for years tho. Even in a cult classic like The Warriors (1979), all the protagonists were originally written as black but they inserted White protagonists for commercial reasons. Hollywood is doing the same thing now, just the other way around.

[@Adam-sd2ow]

@@adrianrussell7769 That's a fair take, people should unite over the fact none of these greedy studios or producers or egotistical actors care about us, they care about fame and money like they always have. People shouldn't be fooled by cheap representation and saying the safe opinions, they aren't on our side and have more in common with the other rich, powerful and influencial people they point to as our enemy.

[@dudesayingthings]

Exactly. When i as a man watch Eowyn stab the witch king, am i any less excited? Fuck no. When i see arwen summon the river to drive away the ringwraiths, am i any less excited? Fuck no. I wanna have the power of summoning a river to wash away my enemies!!!

[@leannasty]

Because that's exactly what you don't understand (besides how to spell properly), is that your point of view isn't the same as everyone else's. Representation matters.

[@pt29999]

Love how it automatically plays this show if you fall asleep while watching something else on Amazon. I saw on my account it had been watched, but no one here watched it, Amazon is desperate.

[@zoebaggins90]

🤣 they're truly desperate.

[@kaj7135]

Jesus fuck that’s beyond pathetic.

[@CorePathway]

Jeepers, trying to subliminally indoctrinate us.

[@cuba_rj]

Really? I will try on Apple TV app and leve it there this afternoon, let’s see what the will do.

[@cairsahrstjoseph996]

Sounds like a fraudulent way of increasing view numbers; but the media will bury this fact.

[@metcaelfe]

At this point, if you are a writer of anything these days, every paragraph you should stop and ask yourself "what would the Drinker think?"

[@reek4062]

Better ask what RLM things, because they actually know how to review movies and series.

[@metcaelfe]

@@reek4062 nah, it'll be fine

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

The really weird thing, though, is that apparently Sauron's *thing* is to brand a map of the place he's planning to build his kingdom into his enemies. What in the video game logic is this?

[@MrGreenAKAguci00]

Please don't insult video games.

[@genrose3643]

Whaaaaaat? Lol

[@chrispekel5709]

That was so weird. It only made sense in the abandoned fortress

[@dunningkrugerfxs5848]

Makes as much sense as the batman branding people in the DC movies

[@jonsolo32]

This is what happens when you hire writers based on checking diversity boxes instead of actual merit.

[@starkilr101]

I didn’t expect Tyrone Magnus, but nice to see him here

[@TheeDawson]

An OG KZbinr! Glad the pod is growing

[@johndurham6172]

It would've been nice to hear opinion on the racism accusations.

[@kylebatteson9572]

He's been doing a lot of reactions to Drinker videos lately and a vocal supporter of Rippaverse. I'm not surprised since he has a large sub base and appears to be anti woke.

[@thedevilofparadis6107]

I've been a fan of Tyrone for a long time and now he's here with the Drinker and crew.

[@tHiSfUgGgiNdUdE]

The dynamic they tried setting up between Elrond and Galadriel is weird also for another reason. In the lore, that thing Amazon didn't bother with, Galadriel is Elrond's Mother-in-Law...not his "friend."

[@maxcovington7351]

I know! There's a chart in the Silmarillion showing their relationship. The writers of RoP couldn't even get that!

[@MurderMostFowl]

Since we haven’t met Galadriel’s daughter Celebrían yet, this isn’t wrong… Elrond does not marry Celebrían until the beginning of the 3rd age ( TA 103 ) 400-1000 years from where the show is at the moment. ( they have played a little loose with exactly when they are in time… )

[@kidpeligro7878]

Amazon is basically taking the Ghostbuster 2016 route Remember when instead of admitting they made a bad product Ghostbuster crew simply resorted to attacking the fanbase? Yeah, that turned out great.

[@CorePathway]

It’s because the, ummm, ‘creators’ are actually sincere in their belief that they are CHANGING THE WORLD. I mean that’s what they have been telling each other breathlessly for several years now. A narcissist does not give up their position without taking a whole lot of other people down with them.

[@whodat90]

“Mom, can we get Elrond?” “We have Elrond at home.”

[@reek4062]

The Elrond from the show is better than the Elrond from the movies.

[@neiloconnor7776]

@@reek4062 😂

[@thelastmotel]

RoP writers being interviewed by Amazon : "What do you mean? How dare you say our writing samples are terrible! Don't you know that expecting writers to be good is gatekeeping?"

[@dustyh5599]

Hired by a giant corporation because you're talented Vs Talented because you were hired by a giant corporation

[@thelastmotel]

@@dustyh5599 100%

[@CMDRTeatime]

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.” J.R.R Tolkien (Fellowship of the Ring)

[@ardentspy]

Do yourself a favour and look up an essay called "Epic Pooh" in which Michael Moorcock (an actually good writer) takes this bullshit to pieces.

[@CMDRTeatime]

@@ardentspy Your subjective opinion of Moorcock doesn't make him anything more than a critic in this regard and I'd suggest trying to find someone objectively better in your appeal to authority. Personally I'd struggle to identify an authority who knows the author's intent better than the author himself.

[@ardentspy]

@@CMDRTeatime okay but sadly you're none too bright.

[@samarryll512]

​@@ardentspy him being bright has nothing to do with how the author was very ardent and gracious with his rationale or details, it doesnt align to how you feel or moorcocks, but they were tolkiens intentions and descriptions, to veer from either is an affront as he was very, very clear

[@ardentspy]

@@samarryll512 an “affront”? Don’t be dim. His estate sold the rights for a very large amount of money. Anyway, your boy’s book is clearly allegorical in some senses. It’s why you guys are so upset. Try thinking instead of repeating what Disparu or Nerdrotic cluelessly churn out.

[@justintidwell6628]

Rocks sink because they look down. Ships float because they look up... okay. The same wind that seeks to put out a fire may also spread the flame... who the fuck uses wind to put out a fire? We need to put this flame out. Quick, throw some wind on it.

[@zoebaggins90]

Probably someone who lives in the city wrote that.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

In Colorado we had a 100mph wind and a fire.... over 1000 homes burned down in 4 hours.

[@Gaiden-Shinji875]

They're lighting their own farts and smelling the result

[@mrq1]

They mixed up analogies pertaining to the flame of a candle vs. that of a fire. One is easily blown out by wind, the other is spread by it. They can't even get metaphors right. 🙄

[@justintidwell6628]

@@mrq1 Psuedo-philosophical BS.

[@JesterForHire1663]

My favorite line is actually from the first episode where Galadriel wonders, "What would I be without my sword?" or something to that effect. All I could think when I heard that was, "Well, you'd be Galadriel".

[@sonoftheredfox]

This show comes across as one of quite possibly the most miserable television experiences of all time. I'm glad I'm not watching it.

[@lueysixty-six7300]

Honestly..She Hulk sounds considerably worse! (I'm glad I'm not watching either...and I've got the subscription! [I'll be cancelling that on payday, and signing up to HBO])

[@thefirstbushman]

episode 3 is a pleasent change, almost bareable as long as galadriel is off screen

[@gmonkman]

Well you gotta give it a go. Don't just go on what other people say. Their job is critique, your job is to just see if you enjoy it or not. :)

[@berzang5838]

If you’re not watching it, how do you know?

[@Miluielle]

@@berzang5838 you don't need to put your arm in the fire to know it is hot.

[@ashleycunningham2813]

Back after the original trilogy came out, there was a whole slew of young storywriters who wanted to write just like Tolkien, which led to stilted dialogue and sayings meant to sound wise but were actually stupid or made no sense. Hearing dialogue samples from this show brings back bad memories of those wannabe Tolkiens.

[@talithakoum3922]

* has flashbacks to the Inheritance Cycle *

[@thelastmotel]

You could replace the words, "Rings of Power", in the title of this video with, "Almost every show made by big companies".

[@CorePathway]

Seriously. They all must have the same room full of UC Berkeley grad students writing this shite from their GrrrlPowrrr safe space.

[@kaj7135]

The Woketards of Power is more fitting.

[@1three7]

The terminal list and reacher we're actually good though.

[@thelastmotel]

@@1three7 I did say "almost every show" lol

[@1three7]

@@thelastmotel true, I wasn't trying to say you were wrong either. Just wanted to recommend some good shows if you haven't seen them

[@jbonaful]

I miss the kid I was walking into the theater to watch The Fellowship for the first time. I haven’t experienced that sense of wonder in a film in 20 years.

[@callumager537]

As for the forced diversity in Rings of Power, the intent behind it may be ideological in nature sure. Especially given the marketing largely indicates that there’s a political motivation behind these changes and additions. I also think Amazon, as well as other corporations, are following guidelines set by the Academy. Remember the new guidelines set by BAFTA, where they state any movie of TV show that wants to submit itself for consideration must abide by strict diversity quotas? Rings of Power, House of the Dragon etc. They just want accolades.

[@tubey84]

No one really has a problem with diversity in casting... when it makes sense. When you rewrite what I'd consider the most incredible source material of all time JUST to include characters for the sake of diversity, then it's an issue as it doesn't make sense. What they're doing is using the source material for the 'clout', but nothing else. They could have just made a fantasy epic and had it nothing to do with LOTR and it'd have been the exact same thing.

[@kaj7135]

@@tubey84 Diversity is a major problem if studios are gonna use it as a scapegoat for when their productions are piles of wet dog shit.

[@criticizedreviews1081]

@@tubey84 well the difference with House of the dragon is that the diversity makes sense and it's also a quality show unlike rings of power

[@AndrewThoesen]

If only there were an event during medieval Europe which would allow scriptwriters the opportunity to both explore that time period and include people of different backgrounds and ethnicities. Perhaps even granting them a way to discuss the effects of colonialism and war and the evils it visits upon everyone. Ah well. Just a fools *crusade* I suppose.

[@anthillmob7455]

Controversial but simultaneously bleedin' obvious point - there shouldn't really be any diversity in any quasi medieval society. It's practically impossible to have diversity without a critical mass of population size followed by mass immigration. They could all be white, all black, all Asian or all mixed race but they would all be roughly the same colour (or horrifically inbred).

[@SnakeWasRight]

I forget who said it, but... who wanted short haired 60 year old frumpy elves? What an odd creative decision. There may be people who don't mind, but there are people who want the long haired ones, people who expect it, people who hate the short haired elves, but... who was asking for this portrayal of elves? Was ANYONE AT ALL hoping for this depiction? Why? Why?? WHYYYYY?

[@alkebabish]

Peter Jackson's elves managed to somehow look youthful and ancient at the same time. They had this otherworldly beauty, great wisdom and compassion, with the hint of terrifying powers beyond human comprehension. Jeff Bezos's elves are just lame humans with stick-on ears.

[@SnakeWasRight]

@@alkebabish yup, Jackson's truly looked ageless and otherworldly

[@toddpacker1015]

Shield me from criticism how? With your skin color or your gender? Only a wretched fool could not see through such a blatant deception

[@M-S_4321]

There's a wretched fool born every minute but there's 100's of them born fool adjacent

[@stoneymahoney9106]

It's a plan with a successful track record, but it's been over-used by so many product pushers in the far-left cultural activist PR space that even normies aren't just blindly accepting this narrative anymore, even if it is the first thing they hear on the subject.

[@nihilityjoey]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 no answer because it would make you look stupid.

[@MollyFC]

As a woman myself, I really dislike the perfect girl boss type characters. Sure it might work in some context but I prefer that we're written as you know, people.

[@ardentspy]

@@MollyFC you mean, like the male characters in Lord of the Rings, each of whom is characterised by one thing and one thing alone? "Disappoints father". "Brave." "Went to the evil side because no idea." "Comedy dwarf."

[@JShu98]

Actually, if you watch the troll scene and count the elves, you will find that they gained elves between scenes. Not only did nobody die, but some more elves joined.

[@georgepatton6195]

The refs threw a flag for too many elves on the field

[@Lazypadawan-j9m]

But now thanks to rings of power I understand why the titanic sank it was to busy looking up to see the giant iceberg infront of it

[@deancorrigan1548]

This made me laugh

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Roon3808]

But why does the iceberg float??

[@Roon3808]

@@ryonintaka7439 We're talking Rings of Power logic here, not real world.

[@Paetaor]

Hahaha

[@joelt2002]

I like how Elrond and the smith casually stroll to the Dwarven city. Is it really within walking distance of the Elven Capital? No horses? No weapons? Yes the racism defense has been used too many times. And when a product leads with it, they know their show is shit. Their internal viewing was negative, so they are attempting to make their turd float.

[@Roon3808]

They are lords correct? How much cooler would it have been if they at least arrived with some guards or a retinue, if not for protection but to demonstrate their status

[@44johnburton]

The should do the lord of the rings trilogy in 5min, causally pick up the ring have a wander to Mordor, drop the ring off is thier a nandos nearby

[@MarvinHartmann452]

"Do you know why shit floats?"

[@thepepp4103]

The scene were Galadriel says: "Nanomachines son", then turns purple and punches Voldemort into the face was awesome, brilliant writing by tolkien.

[@mtgo9686]

These dumb comments just go to show you copy others and probably haven’t even watched the show

[@NPC-fg6up]

@@mtgo9686 go cry in a corner and then go do a protest

[@MrLightside]

@@mtgo9686 he just wants to have likes on his comments.

[@gravesidepoet5405]

@@mtgo9686 never eaten shit before either but we know it dosent taste good

[@mtgo9686]

@@gravesidepoet5405 so you proved my point and just jumping on the bandwagon. Your opinion means nothing. You aren't a fan nor have you watched.

[@juicewilliss]

I'm so happy that Grey Worm became an elf, I was worried for him after his queen went bonkers and his girl died.

[@bruhdon4748]

What the little platoon said about reverse gate keeping is so true, these people have come in and taken over franchises like marvel Star Wars lotr etc and have just kicked everyone out and then invited back in the people they want, the amount of marvel & lotr pages I get into arguments on and having to explain myself to someone that’s just there for the politics is incredibly annoying.

[@matthewmekonis1790]

Then they crybully the fans they kicked out when the realization sets in that core fans are way more numerous than virtue signaling fans.

[@bruhdon4748]

@@matthewmekonis1790 honestly it’s infuriating me having to get into arguments with MCU bandwagon fans & Star Wars fans that have gotten into these franchises for all the wrong reasons & then bully you into not wanting to be in that community anymore. Reddit is pure cancer for that especially.

[@freshlysquezedlemon4003]

What The Little Platoon said sounded like how a virus takes over a cell

[@bruhdon4748]

@@freshlysquezedlemon4003 lmao yeah 100% very accurate

[@PBRatLord]

I could be incorrectly remembering, but wasn't Sauron frightened of coming across Galadriel during this period of time because he believed she would see straight through his deception?

[@Overlord3445]

yes

[@giveandtake8428]

Yes. They made her absolutely stupid in the show.

[@codinghusky5196]

The lore accurate galadriel can "see in the hearts of men", read their minds, and is an accomplished magic user. The gal in the series probably couldn't boil water.

[@jonasjessen4234]

Let me sum up the dialog of this series in one scene. Galadriel is complaining about being a prisoner in Numenor. She treatens to kill Elendir if not released... 30 seconds later... LITERALY 30 SECONDS LATER!! she is riding and smiling the biggest smile ever, with Elendir.. I didnt know if i should cry or burst out in laughter, so i decided to turn off the TV.

[@zoebaggins90]

Elendil*.

[@jonasjessen4234]

I dont even care anymore..

[@MurderMostFowl]

Why does that seem strange to you? He was sent to get rid of her and decided to take her to the tower… why wouldn’t he let her out “in 30 seconds” that’s the reason he showed up to see her. She threatened to kill him in an arrogant way and he was not afraid of her and gave a smart ass response. I thought the scene was done well ( except for her weird smile when riding the horse … I will fully give you that one lol… I have no f*ing clue why they showed that.

[@jonasjessen4234]

@@MurderMostFowl because she was threatening to kill him?? And then she is happy AF right after?? That is weird and lazy writing. Am i the only seeing that?? xD

[@fictiontheorizer4253]

It's weird. It's not uncommon though. Every show lately has been taking the BTAS approach to relationships. "It's just fine if you threatened to kill me, because I don't care, and we'll be friends by tomorrow!"

[@samengelage3521]

Love how Tyrone is just sitting there and soaking in the energy.

[@TheTruthTalker_]

he's a fan with the best seats

[@freddykingofturtles]

He's just sitting there, majestically.

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

So that's the Tyrone mgtow talk about I thought he would be better looking

[@Volkbrecht]

Guy's just totally out of his depth between those high level nerds. Also, I suspect he may have a hard time understanding them in real time. Brits just do more syllables per minute with less total pronounciation, and the accent may not help either. It's one thing to get what they are saying, and a totally different one to enter into a conversation with them.

[@prathapkutty7407]

@@Volkbrecht yeah he also has a very limited vocabulary, hence why he is only observing the entire conversation instead of contributing anything.

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

My father read me The Hobbit when I was 5. Tolkien has been a part of my life all my life. I'm not watching Rings of Power for one simple reason...its not Tolkien. And I refuse to call Hobbits "harfoots" or whatever. Thats just dumb.

[@KingBarnaDuke]

It's called respect. Respect for Tolkien and his son for devoting their lives to a beautiful, awesome creation. And respect for the creation itself. And the "show" is nothing but a corruption of that work.

[@chrispekel5709]

sad thing is they are the best part of it

[@JoeTheLion60]

Plus Hobbits were not in the 2nd age so good call

[@SlipdeGarcondeJour]

It never really occurred to me that hiring a very diverse cast for your film/TV programme might be perceived as a cynical way of defending yourself against general criticism of your product.

[@hammerbenj]

Underrated comment

[@uzakhaas]

Sad thats the day and age we live in

[@kaj7135]

Oh it occurred to me a LONG time ago. Movies and shows have been too busy cramming woketard garbage into their plots for like 7 years now

[@morbidone88]

Hell yeah, have Tyrone back for sure guys. This was an amazing session 👏

[@schwartzy65]

He needs better mic tough

[@martindenham2207]

I'm really enjoying this time of 4K restorations of older/classic movies. It's such a joy to rediscover movies that I've seen many times, and some for the first time, with a new digital print that shines. It's like getting a supply of new movies that you know are actually worth watching, rather than being constantly disappointed by actual new movies that barely punch above mediocre. Of course there are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

[@benjaminaltube8731]

Worst of all is now that it came out is divided the public even more. Everyone is calling everyone acists Actors now jumped into the bandwagon, as they usually do. Billionaires talking out of their golden thrones And now I realize the race swapping was the least of the problems on this show

[@kaj7135]

Remember, nothing is wrong or evil unless heterosexual white men do it.

[@SmithCommaBenjamin]

It is racism. There are literally only 3 black characters on the whole show. Mone of their character or dialogue has anything to do with their color. They're simply present and happen to be black. But, if the presence of THREE black people annoy you; you're racist.

[@LoneSilverW0lf]

@@SmithCommaBenjamin that’s called tokenism, which can be argued as racist in itself. They’ve been hired by merit of their skin and not their acting capabilities or if they even fit the logic of the show. Put them in the South as what was deigned in the books and it’ll work, but they don’t belong where the story is taking place. And only 3, where’s the rest? If this is supposed to reflect what the current world looks like, then where are all the rest of them? Where’s the Filipinos, Mexicans, Koreans, and that? And you must be new to this, but companies have been hiring people solely based superficial traits like skin color or sexuality and using them as shields against genuine and legitimate criticism of the product for a while now. So who’s the bigger racist: the people who want their escapism respected, or the companies who don’t care what they have to do to get a payday?

[@SmithCommaBenjamin]

@@LoneSilverW0lf So, because they're black they're automatically unqualified to be there and are only their because they're black? Their existence can't just be because they... exist? Why does the existence of a black person on aTV show need an explanation to you? Do you have any idea how racist you sound? People said the same thing verbatim when Jackie Robinson was allowed to play baseball, or Sidney Poitier was in a movie 70 years ago... a few blacks characters shouldn't annoy at all, unless you're straight up racist

[@MurderMostFowl]

@@LoneSilverW0lf have you watched the show? There is only one black actor that is a main character and By episode 3, I think he’s one of the more interesting characters. The other black actors are part of the harfoots and they are really very minor roles, but they are played great. I actually found myself really enjoying the entire harfoot segment, when I had assumed at the beginning would just be retreading “hobbit stuff” but I think it’s ended up quite nice.

[@nalublackwater9729]

They had one of the best books in modern history. They also had +50 years of visual art from so many artists you could fill a museum. They also had a whole trilogy of movies and several other, older adaptation for reference of what works and what doesn't. With all these ingredients: HOW COULD THEY EFF THIS UP SO MUCH!

[@imakethesites3048]

“With great investment comes great responsibility”

[@brianmurphy6480]

More like: "With our great investment comes your great responsibility to give us your money."

[@imakethesites3048]

@@brianmurphy6480 It's also true that With great source material comes great responsibility, but what does the average person care about responsibility these days?

[@gmonkman]

There is something shady going on with the IMDB scores for it. Looks like they pulled loads of bad reviews to me. Is there any independent review sites left?

[@gravesidepoet5405]

Yeah all I saw were 10/10s. Resident Evil 4 is one of my favorite video games and I wouldn’t even give it a 10/10 so I know RoP sure as shit isn’t.

[@Tesmond256]

Some people are very generous with their rating. I would struggle to give anything 10/10, whereas I'm sure there are plenty of people who would award 10/10 to legally blonde. That being said legally blonde is better than anything Disney had produced in a while... 😢

[@ericvulgate]

But bad reviews are 'review bombing' you MONSTER

[@LifeHawkeye]

Just finished all 3 episodes (for the 2nd time). My absolute favorite part of the whole series so far is when Elrond thinks he and his friends are pulling Galadriel out of the well, but when the bucket reaches the top it’s only holding Elrond’s high school letter jacket. Then Elrond screams angrily down the well: “Galadriel! You Goonie!!!”

[@RASKORPUS]

Something I noticed about the show was there is almost no moments without music punctuating the show. It’s absolutely filled with music to help guide our emotions

[@kaj7135]

Lol well they did brag about how they wanted to make the show all about women. What better way to manipulate their simple little brains than through music?

[@ripsnorter185]

Just watched the third episode and my god I’ve never seen something so poorly directed and written. I found myself laughing and dying from cringe through every minute of that episode.

[@CorePathway]

It is now very enjoyable for me as I watch it expecting more train wreck. AND BOY DOES IT DELIVER 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ripsnorter185]

@@CorePathway honestly same. If I’m feeling down this show could always be used for a good laugh 😂

[@gianna526]

​@@CorePathway I actually really enjoyed the second episode. The first was boring as heck most of the time, but the second one made me laugh countless times. I watched it with my sister, who's a big lotr fan but didn't keep up with the show like I did, so she was excited for it, and she laughed along with me and now we have countless inside jokes about the ridiculous dialogue and scenes. I'm planning on watching the 3rd and 4th just because it's so enjoyable, and whenever something boring happens my sister and I talk about something entirely different until it's over. That might not be how Amazon wants us to watch it, but that's how I'm doing it!

[@kaj7135]

Please stop watching it ffs. Even if the whole season only gets 1000 views, Amazon will keep making excuses. “See? SEE?? People LOVE our show! Only racist bigoted nazi trolls would ever hate our show!!”

[@ciscornBIG]

@@gianna526 stop watching this in any capacity. Just stop.

[@greypilgrim3281]

There are some good lines littered throughout, only to be completely devaluated when the bad lines come. My biggest issues is with Galadriel’s like-ability. All her group wanted to go to back, she pressed forward at the expense of her company and didnt even seem to care a bit. Blinded by revenge…

[@NikoJr.]

Ironically, putting so much focus on how *diverse* their cast is and not on the quality of the writing leads us to judge the characters not by the content of their character, but the color of their skin

[@WillDreamer]

After bingeing most of your vids in about a week, I came to genuinely respect your passion for storytelling and knowledge of how it should be done. I agree with your emphasis on well-written, believable characters that you can enjoy going on a journey with. I absorbed the work of many critics, but your work touched me the most. Under your hilarious outward persona, you deeply care about the art. The deepest, most fundamental aspects of your criticism have inspired me to finally do something. Something I knew I wasn’t ready for when I first imagined it. For the last 20 years, I have written roughly 1 million words for friends and family, with the simple purpose of earning adequate skill at storytelling. I honed my writing, and even ultimately benefited from deep, painful personal struggles, so that I could finally tell a specific short story. It complements and builds up one of your favorite films. And, incidentally, it also showcases many examples of genuine masculinity displayed in a variety of ways. Further, I feel it sets a very high bar for what respectful, quality “fanfiction” should strive to be. Upholding a beloved work. Understanding it, valuing it, and forgiving any supposed flaws. Contributing a modest addition to someone else’s great legacy. Underscoring and deepening the arc of an already beloved character. Teaching the same positive lessons with the same noble themes, in a slightly different way. Honoring the work, the creator of that work, and all those who have come to love it for what it is. I strove to keep it focused, purposeful, limiting it to just 22,000 words. It may not be perfect, but it certainly tries to be. I hope you will consider giving it a read. Based on what you’ve shown everyone of your true self (behind your hilarious outward persona), I believe you will approve of these efforts. You may be uplifted and proud for having put forth the time to read it. And you will then enjoy going back to watch your favorite trilogy yet again, perhaps getting even more out of the experience. The tale is humbly posted, amidst countless others, on fanfiction.net, under the title “The Children of Rohan,” by WillDreamer.

[@HALFTONE44]

Ahhh but what also floats? Bread, Apples, very small rocks cider gravy A duck!!!!

[@zoebaggins90]

❤️👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@erikcarlson2658]

I am grateful as heck for all the controversy surrounding this show--especially in videos like this one!--because it reminds me that my personal "gold standard" will always be the books (though I remain a big fan of the Peter Jackson LotR films, as they were my gateway to Tolkien). My annual Tolkien read will start soon, so I am enjoying your videos even more than usual right now. Thank you and keep 'em coming!

[@_Uh_Oh_]

Amazon Prime ratings are finally up - They are slowly deleting low ratings (Gone down by over 100 since they first appeared and rating going up, 1stars going down)

[@Roon3808]

Lol, the top "Critical" review is a 3 star that states, "Well acted, well written, splendid production value. But the problem with prequels is that we know what happens" You've got to be kidding me

[@JoeTheLion60]

Yep Democracy is gone when Amazon censors and deletes valid reviews - welcome to Russia; China and North Korea

[@konmoe121]

Wow, The Little Platoon knows how to articalute himself quite well. Good points 👍

[@DerichndofCoomland]

Just started to follow him. Very neat channel with some really good videos, I hope he will be a returning guest and maybe come on EFAP as well.

[@ProfSir1]

Kelabrimbor should have been more like his depiction in the Shadow of Mordor games.

[@Demomancer]

Amazon's Galadriel is like someone made an elven barbarian in D&D and decided to use Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma as dump stats to maximise Strenght so that she can one shot trolls with a sword.

[@tommyservo9660]

8:46 "Did you ever want to be a giant eye?" - I spit out my drink

[@MarkyMark845]

We have become so shallow and superficial as a society that we force the idea that someone can only "identify" with a character if they're of the same color, gender or sexual orientation. It's like they took "if you can see it, you can be it" and stripped out any underlying meaning.

[@tommyLcarter20]

"The Sea is always right" best line ive EVER heard....

[@Sergeant_Fury]

The turd can be polished.

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

How the fuck has writing gotten continuously worse over the last 20 years, so that we now are confronted with this kind of abomination? I hate this modern movie landscape so much.

[@timcross9815]

Turning what is basically the Simarillion into a virtue signalling diversity fest is unforgivable.

[@MurderMostFowl]

Have you watched the show? No one in the show has shown any virtue signaling or made any modern political statement or anything… the marketing is so completely wrong for this show. It is nothing like that. I was shocked to discover that none of the female characters are even in charge except for the human Queen regent we meet in episode 3, but even she is not the real ruler ( thus her title and ) Every single “diversity” female character is playing a realistic role and is treated realistically. There has not been any LBGT stuff at all and the only thing “diverse” at all is that we see a few black actors where we had previously or seen any. And if we put preconceptions about color/race aside, they’re actually some of the best characters. They play normal realistic roles and no one is a Mary Sue ( or male equivalent). Galadriel is annoying for sure and the weakest character, but we come to see in the 3rd episode that she is not yet the wise person she will become. She is arrogant and the world of man doesn’t give a rats ass who she is.

[@clanmacmillan4483]

@@MurderMostFowl at the end of the day Tolkien is the world's best anglo-saxon story teller to ever live, and his stories are anglo-saxon centered, and in the lost tales, beren & luthien, silmarilion, Tolkien constantly wrote about what he perceived his world as. This is his world. He made it. He went so in depth with details because he wanted to give people an escape. He did these things on purpose. Every decision he made was conscious. It was not some flick of the wrist last minute choice. He had every book translated into as many languages as possible while he was alive. He wanted to share his story with the world. But do not try to fill your world into his story.

[@paegr]

@@MurderMostFowl +$0.02 has been deposited into your Amazon account

[@leannasty]

@@MurderMostFowl Agreed. Most men on this threads get their panties in a twist over politics and "virtue signalling" they project onto the show from their own insecurities. The show absolutely fucking sucks. I'm as disappointed as the rest. The real problem is corporate takeover of meaningful and beautiful pieces of literature, churning out a piece of garbage that destroys the original universe and dumbs it down for a dumb and young audience for profit.

[@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi]

@@MurderMostFowl is it sheer coincidence that they made the only black elf in the show be a victim of anti-elf bigotry and Galadriel be told to stay in her lane (as a whamen) in the first episode alone? Cmon now, don't be naive.

[@MarineCorpzor1]

I'm still insulted by Amazon casting humans to race appropriate elves, dwarves, hobbits, and wizards.

[@georgechapman9688]

Elves lives matter ffs! It's like back in the day when elves were forced to ride on top of the bus instead of inside. We haven't progressed at all

[@Maryland2]

The funny thing is that there were PoC in the Lotr. They were just “baddies” lol They could have expanded on them and made these cultures like the Easterling and Southrons more “human” and show why they are fighting for Sauron. Why are they seen as evil? Is it just the perspective of our narrator? But no we have tokenized Arondir, the ONLY COLORED ELF while they keep the rest of the elves white. Like COME ON Numenor as a “multi-cultural” society makes sense because it’s a fucking empire. But their dirty man society they have in East-Mordor makes no fucking sense. They would not have been some white far north English people. They’re described similar to those of the near East in the books and I would have loved to have seen that expanded and fleshed out, maybe even some original characters who make that demonized society more fleshed out.

[@fitzwaren]

Just do the civil war brought by the blue Istarie… just show that even 2000 years of brainwashing by Sauron, there is still good in the people of the south and east, show that brown and black people are not inherently evil but are molded by the society they live in… way better than colorswap Legolas.

[@benjaminaltube8731]

The Little Platoon makes so much sense

[@charlesw5919]

Other than being stunning and brave, this show accomplished the impossible for me: it made me genuinely sympathize with Morgoth and Sauron. Elves are insufferable, arrogant, and utterly incompetent. Dwarves didn't care for anyone but themselves, and Durin acts like a jilted soyboy whose boyfriend forgot to text him back. Hobbits are disgusting cold-blooded savages who do unspeakable things to their own people. The Numenoreans, "best of mankind," are just a bunch of close-minded xenophobes. Morgoth, I apologize, you were right all along. Sauron, you go boss!!! Take them out! Take them all out!!!

[@Essexviix]

Att: Mr Bezos... - This is not Tolkien... - Why have you made a show that is not Tolkien? Riddle me this… - If Amazon can't use Hobbits within the parameters of their licensed rights, why are they using Harfoots? HARFOOTS ARE HOBBITS! Hobbits we’re not in the 2nd age… - For reference; Types of Hobbits; Harfoots / Stoors / Fallohides - Why have they straight up gender swapped Frodo and Sam for easy viewer familiarity points? - Why, if the Harfoots are a clan that live along the same river in a single camp are they so racially diverse with no in universe logical explanation? This makes no sense, why not use some in lore logic and have racially diverse characters from Harad or Kand or some such? Not too difficult to work out that actual canon and in lore diversity could be worked into a £1billion show without the clunky, message pushing pish that the writers sloppily hammed in, as on the nose as it can get in 2022... - Why is Galadriel like Trinity from the Matrix? - Why at £58m per episode does it look cheaper aesthetically than House of the Dragon at £10m per episode? (This is coming from someone who was a GOT fan and got left heartbroken by the season 6,7 & 8 dip in character logic and quality of story telling) - Why are some shots so obviously green screen with the wind simulators and lighting clearly off point from reference? - Why is there so much Bokeh in the shots, when to have less of a hard time getting the public to accept this tripe as canon, they should have eased towards the visual filmic style of the previously seen adaptations? - Why do the elves have short hair and wear maternity clothes? - Why don't the women Dwarves have beards? - Why have they copy / pasted EXACT lines of dialogue from The Lord Of The Rings if not to subliminally give out nostalgia cookies to unsuspecting viewers? - Why is there no plot? - Why is there racial diversity within Elves who are described by Tolkien as "Fair skinned"? - Why are all the white males either dumbasses with low IQ or have an evil agenda? - Why were the show runners allowed to adapt such treasured works and turn it into a wokefest laughing stock of modern entertainment? - Why is the writing and dialogue so cringeworthy? - Why we're the actors run up promo spots talking about the diversity of the world being "updated" with a “redress of balance” rather than talking about the story, narrative, canon, plot lines, books the series is based on or the author, you know, J R R Tolkien? - Why was the casting director hired at all? I look forward to your comments, Mr Essex P.S. Genuinely deeply saddened by such a waste of an opportunity. What a show this could have been… P.P.S House Of The Dragon race swapped a main character and nobody made a sound because the show is half decent, the actor who plays him is on form and within the lore of the series it’s a diverse fictional continent so MAKES SENSE 🤯 Stop changing establish characters and IPs because they are easy to monetize audiences and start making new decent shit!

[@Punkertoon]

Tyrone is the guy I watch for a more normie take. Glad to see him here.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Yeah, if he says something is trash, that means it's trash!!

[@reek4062]

@@MeanBeanComedy He himself is trash; he's probably a r apist

[@bennettgrimm2618]

This is why you cast POC, so when someone calls you out for your shit writing you can call them racist and then the people who don't watch your show can retweet your "epic slam"

[@azren2255]

In regards to the writing, I feel like I can say as someone who writes for a living that part of the issue is that the people controlling the purse strings of most any project very rarely have strong concepts of character, narrative, and setting. They are like people who watch a sport but have very little idea about the fundamentals or even the objectives of the sport, so they are only there for the spectacle. As such they are quick to pick up writers who will promise them a crude simulacrum of the spectacle without much care for what actually makes the spectacle worthwhile. Just one writer's take on this.

[@recycledideas4261]

Exactly! None of these writers have any idea of what makes a good narrative. No set up and pay off, no subtlety, they always tell instead of showing, awkward dialogue, etc. They are also terrible at writing relatable and interesting protagonist that people will want to root for. Seriously, these new upcoming writers need to take a creative writing class lol.

[@azren2255]

@@recycledideas4261 I do wonder how many of them have had any tra8ning in such things as opposed to maybe coming from another sort of position. In this sort of business it is who you know not what you know. Still training in such things isn't required (I know a few folks who are just intuitive storytellers) but man I think it would help these folks to have some training.

[@recycledideas4261]

@@azren2255 Yeah that’s true from anywhere in the entertainment industry. Knowing the right people can help out a ton. Also I agree that some people are just naturally talented, but I just don’t understand why writers who aren’t skilled go into the entertainment industry to begin with. Like that’s the part that makes no sense to me

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

The difference between the troll scene in Fellowship and the troll scene in this is like the difference between a normal D&D game, where players take turns wearing down an enemy in a complex confrontation, and one where the game master is playing their own game, for some reason. "All you guys suck, but I'm awesome, so I defeat the troll all by myself."

[@kenknowlton3085]

RINGS OF POWER end credits: “This production contains dialogue, characters, and places that were inspired by, though not contained in, the original source material.” What more proof is needed? Tolkien's works have surpassed 600 million in sales worldwide... The only author who ever made God worried would catch up to His writings... The hubris. The supreme arrogance. The unmitigated self-delusion that Amazon could better their source material instead of just faithfully representing it for us...

[@michaelclark7456]

When Galadriel said "Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that sh*t just goes right out the window." I knew it was going to be memorable. When she saved Orlando Bloom when he fell out of that chopper: brilliant. She would never fall out of that chopper and for that, I thank her for her service.

[@shannonbellamy7099]

The show exists to push “the message”.

[@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564]

Cirdan is the only Elf that's mentioned as looking old, and that was at the Grey Havens, at the end of LOTR and Cirdan was probably the oldest Elf still living in Middle Earth.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Now people are actually going to start saying that the Hobbit trilogy was secretly brilliant all along because of how bad this show is. Thanks Amazon.

[@slippytrippy8122]

Yep... And the bar keeps getting lower

[@mattt2277]

Possible talking point for your next stream; how the mob cries when fridging is used on a female character, but if a male character is fridged to motivate a female character (Galadriel in this case) it's completely fine

[@richardverheyen6373]

Jackson's LOTR did a great job of introducing characters using food, drink and music, RoP seems to be more focused on CGI and politics

[@needmorecowbell6895]

Not only were the elves in the troll fight fine, there were more elves standing around Guyladirel than entered the fortress!

[@TheZamaron]

If they wanted black people in the show, easy, simply have a traveler from Harad show up and be involved. Just Some Guy did a great job explaining the stupidity of having a black Dwarf or Elf. Simply put, the reason people become black is because you're skin turns darker the more contact you have with the Sun, so people who lived in Africa developed darker skin to help with this as most of Africa is a dessert or has constant Sunlight. For Tolkien's work he says it makes no sense for Elves and Dwarves, for Elves they aren't as effected by weather like Humans, and because they mostly live in regions that aren't dessert, it makes no sense why they'd be darker. For Dwarves it's obvious, they live UNDERGROUND, if anything Dwarves should logically be the most palest of races. Tolkien kept this logic as most Humans we see in the PJ films are logically white, because most of Middle Earth is forest or mountain, with the darker skinned Haradrim living in a desert region, thus they are dark skinned.

[@cannibalholocaust3015]

You don’t reason with these people, the entire point is to socially engineer Tolkien’s works as “diverse” because they are a source of positive identity reinforcement within the culture for people with English or north Western European ancestry. England was 99.7% English in Tolkien’s time. Today London is minority English and that’s a GOOD thing for the English.

[@wwyd4akb]

@@cannibalholocaust3015 *Today London is minority English and that’s a 'GOOD' thing for the English.

[@amandaWrushen]

Your are literally talking about dwarfs and elf’s. Stop making trying to make a logical explanation about why fictional characters can’t be black. If you can turn your Brain off to enjoy a Fantasy story about mythical creatures (who aren’t real :))then you can should be able to turn your brain off to comprehend the fact that some of the elf’s have more melanin.

[@cannibalholocaust3015]

@@amandaWrushen nice try. Why can’t we have the haradrim with blonde hair? Because Tolkien in part based his lore on ethnographic reality coupled with Norse mythology. Northwest Europeans are not “melaninated”. Furthermore Disney’s works are being destroyed with non European actors. It’s attacking their culture and identity in an overt fashion. Are people of melanin incapable of creating their own stories?

[@TheZamaron]

@@amandaWrushen Sorry, but I can't turn my brain off like you can, but then again yours might never have worked in the first place if you think ROP is good or even decent.🤣

[@cyberspark4206]

I love watching these chats and the drinkers channel. I learn a huge amount of what NOT to do in the comic books I write and draw. Thanks for the great advice!

[@justinstoll4955]

The highfalutin dialogue (the boat, rock metaphor) is horrendous. I did like episode 3 because they show Numenor.

[@AsheramK]

Watching this show is like going to some avant-garde restaurant. You go there and ooh and aah over the dishes, but when you leave you found you've filled up more on breadsticks than the food being served. It's all spectacle and very little substance, which is fitting since the director for episodes 1 and 2 has his entire career built on making music videos.

[@deathbysnusnu515]

The orc fight scene was where I left it. My racist for some reason self couldn't take it any more.

[@bruhdon4748]

As long as you recognise your racism ;)

[@deathbysnusnu515]

@@bruhdon4748 lol

[@jamierobertson9832]

@@bruhdon4748 and apologize for the sins of your great great grandparents

[@samblack5313]

@@deathbysnusnu515 Bigoted of you not to acknowledge your sexism as well..

[@bruhdon4748]

@@samblack5313 oh crap 😦

[@jeffreyfrey1936]

Re: the boat versus rock story: it's a sophomoric attempt by a writer at setting up a payoff. Admit it, we all knew that's what that dialog was when it was spoken. It might have worked better for her entire character arc for Finrod to chastise her for turning to quick violence. At least the eventual longer-term payoff for that conversation could be her abandoning her warrior ways to adopt the lifestyle she's living when we meet her in LoTR. But the writers of this series cannot see past points A to B *inside an episode*.