A Thousand Sons - Mortarion's speech denouncing Magnus || Voice Over (Part 1)

[@pll3827]

In the end, Mortarion became the ritualist psyker sacrificing billions to feed Nurgle's demonic armies during the Plague War, his ranks full of sorcerers and worse.

[@MeldrickCz]

And Magnus swear off magic never to cast a spell again oh the ironing.

[@Scufflegrit]

And Mortarion still maintains he practices entirely natural, complex numerology-not magic. Never magic.

[@AGaiman]

On one hand, Mortarion makes a compelling argument. On the other hand, he is smelly and bald.

[@pll3827]

I love how Guilliman keeps pushing his hypocrisy in the Dark Imperium series, and the only response that Mortarion can give is to try to deflect to the Emperor being a bad dad.

[@BluestTable]

@@pll3827behind all their reasons and justifications for falling to chaos, every single one is mentally warped into being delusional

[@Zjlax9]

When I scrolled across this I read “Mortarion at an ikea” and now I need that in my life.

[@NotDr.Evil137]

"Mommy, that big man smells terrible. The man over there, looking at the drapes!" "..Should they be dark green...no?"

[@LordEverlost]

"This sprawling unceasing state of pre-built mediocrity, trapped in limited design, locked in stagnation. This is truly a microcosm of the imperium of the corpse worshipers." -Mortarion probably

[@DeusExMachina10001]

Probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but Mortarion was essentially right. He might have hated psykers, and his talk of loving Magnus was clearly BS, but his primary message was basically that the power of the Warp was too dangerous to be regulated by any except the Emperor. Magnus was indeed irresponsible, cavalier and arrogant, and he did ultimately damn his Legion and himself.

[@RAD1111able]

His intentions were coming from the wrong place,but he was right to an extent.Didn't stop him from becoming a massive hypocrite later on.

[@spartana1116]

Never imagine myself agreeing with Mortarion of all things for once

[@quin3578]

And yet Magnus stayed loyal longer and even tried to warn the emperor. I imagine he would have stayed a loyalist if he hadn't breached the web way the way he did and had the space wolves breathing down his neck soon after.

[@robosoldier11]

@@RAD1111able Calling Mortarion a Hypocrite I find silly. He is enslaved to chaos. Its not like he is acting predominantly of his own volition. Heck he even becoming a slave to chaos was again not a choice he really made. He got tricked into doing it. So ya I guess you can call him a hypocrite. However I dont see that is accurate in this case.

[@Mondy667]

​@RAD1111able Is he really a Hypocrite? He was basically forced into service to Nurgle

[@fabby416]

What's always interested me is the approach of the Primarchs during the Council of Nikea. Three arguments, all within the same spectrum, going from one extreme to the next. Like a paradigm it shifts. With Mortarion, his outright hatred of psykers stems from his upbringing on Barbarus. A planet shrouded in toxic gas and ruled by a xenos psyker race. He saw the depths of cruelty, experienced it first hand and it forever left an imprint on him. His hate for psykers only grew as the Emperor, an unfathomably power psyker stole his chance at vengeance against his "father". This left him bitter, and filled with hate that would fester as the years would go by. We see this pretty clearly due to the Death Guards lack of librarius. As we see later on, his inability to learn and grow would only nurture that immense distaste for psykers to the point that when the council happened Mortarion took the opportunity to finally air his frustrations and tear down psykers as a whole. His pettiness, his spite, were shown in an instant as he truly broadcasted his hypocrisy and victim complex. It's only further illistrated that he would go to the lengths of saying how much he loved his brother, when in fact he simply said it as a means to further his argument. Summed up "I'm going to makemy issues everyone elses problem." With Russ it's a common missconception that his outlook is that of Mortarions. It's far more nuanced. Wolfpriests much like White Scar Stormseers draw on the warp sparringly. They drink from the chalice, but only slightly as to avoid indulging too deeply in powers they know are dangerous. Russ is a stubborn, prideful, boastful individual, but we also know his love for his brothers, as well as his loyalty and honest nature are unquestionable. He didn't speak against Magnus as much as he was warning him, and everyone else present the dangers of unchecked warp indulgence. Where as Wolfpriests would only dip their feet into the waters that were the immaterium, the Thousand Sons would dive headfirst into the deepest end in pursuits of knowledge and power. It's a matter of self control, which Magnus does not exhibit at all and Russ spoke to. Magnus is the other end of this extreme. Where as Mortarion is the antithesis and detractor, Magnus is its greatest proponent and supporter. Psykers are incredibly useful, extremely valuable and when trained can become some of the greatest tools in thier respective factions hands. We see this with navigators and astropaths. It is however shown that they can be incredibly dangerous if left unchecked, which is why blackships exist for example. Magnus, for all his great strengths snd virtues was an arrogant, and boastful figure with no regards for restraint or caution when indulging in matters of the immaterium. His approach during the council was to akin to a shakespearean monologue, playing at how he was being persecuted, how they are judging him without pretext or knowledge. He didn't attempt to downplay or refute their claims of unchecked warp sorcery, and in the end it backfired. Interestingly enough however, after the council convened and judgement rendered Magnus -still- went about his delving of warp magic and as we see later on it backfired spectacularly. It all makes for a wonderful blend of storybeats that goes to show each Primarch, despite being a demi-god is still human. Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.

[@DeusExMachina10001]

Russ and the Khan were, ironically, on pretty much the exact same page when it came to Magnus and the TSons, and in regard to psykers in general. The Khan was just a lot more chill about it all.

[@commissaryarrick9670]

What mortarion calls ruining his chance at vengeance most people view as the emperor saving the life of mortarion . Because mortarion was defeated . He failed at his vengeance and lost. The emperor saved him and his people

[@tex69_53]

Magnus really just sent Ariman a Psychic Zip Bomb.

[@leovalenzuela8368]

Yes, but why did he do that? It nearly killed his top homie!

[@NotDr.Evil137]

"And here we see a graph of Magnus' rage" (friggin slams through the roof into a supernova)

[@Rafael-Fernandes.]

​@@leovalenzuela8368 I think it was an accident, Ahriman unintentionaly seeped into a psychic connection with Maguns when Magnus was in a apocaliptical rage inside his mind, after seeing Ahriman was in pain he subdued his rage and calmed himself cutting the psychic link between them.

[@Scufflegrit]

@@leovalenzuela8368he lost control. You know how Superman constantly has to be careful not to, say, rip doors off their hinges every time he uses one? Like that, but with Big Brain Magic.

[@giovannidevincenzi3376]

Ah yes. A furry space wizard denouncing an army of Egyptian space wizards for being space wizards, followed by an arrogant pp-head calling his arrogant pp-head brother an arrogant pp-head.

[@BobbyDeeLuctav]

Well Put Brother 👏

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Xd

[@fosphor8920]

the glass shattering is an excellent addition. Loved the reading, hope you will make many more for me to enjoy

[@anarmy0fbees569]

Could listen to this all day. This one and the Ancient Rylanor voice over are my favourites

[@KaiserAfini]

Magnus might have stood a chance if he focused on dismantling Mortarion's point about requiring a Draconian control of psykers. He could have pointed out that Prospero's society was saved and edified by psykers. Healers and scholars, defenders and warlocks, the same that save countless lives on the battlefield. He could agree that psychic abilities are a part of the individual that will not go away, and that discipline and oversight are important to avoid abuse, but that understanding the abilities and providing mentorship will probably yield better results than fear and judgment. But instead Magnus chose a blatant revision of the Allegory of the Cave, which both Big E and Malcador know and probably worked against him. Magnus was not a gifted orator.

[@DeusExMachina10001]

Remember, Magnus's whole schtick was experimentation and power/knowledge acquisition. He would never have countenanced restrictions on himself or his legion. And in fact, he did not, and it ruined everything for everyone forever.

[@lachlanevans5013]

I’m actually listening to this book right now on Audiobook and this part was indeed a heartbreaking moment. The betrayal from Weirdmake to Magnus speech all for it to end in the condemnation of a noble Legion who did not deserve their fate. I am on chapter twenty six’s and it’s building up to the eventual attack on Prospero. I never really cared that much about the thousand sons or Magnus story. But now I care more than I can express.

[@DeusExMachina10001]

Magnus was almost entirely responsible for his own fate. The Emperor's judgement at Nikea was specifically directed at Magnus; he just made it a proclamation about the Librarius in order not to single Magnus out publicly. His speech about power and those who seek it without wisdom might as well have been tailor made for Magnus, and all Magnus did was ignore it because he thought he knew better. Plus Magnus himself made it abundantly clear that he thought he was doing absolutely nothing wrong in spite of the fact that his legionaries were literally using daemons as tutelaries. What makes it all worse is that Magnus knew how dangerous the Warp was, but simply thought he was smart enough and powerful enough to disregard it all. He even knew essentially what Tzeentch was when he made his pact with him; he simply thought he'd beaten Tzeentch and didn't need to be concerned. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if Magnus had shown even the slightest bit of humility or caution at Nikea, the Emperor's judgement probably never would have occured.

[@lachlanevans5013]

@@DeusExMachina10001 I mean to be fair the main accuser Leman Russ was also saying “My Runepriests aren’t psykers because they are not and our magic comes from Fenris with no proof other than our word that it does” and we all know Mortarion’s a hypocrite who wanted Magnus to suffer no matter what was said due to his hatred of Psykers. But I concede the point as you are right, Magnus had a lot of opportunities to do the right thing but it always ended badly, because he was so arrogant he thought he knew better and this only really sells the tragedy of the Thousand sons. Their father tried his best but didn’t listen and thought he was better. They genuinely did have a good chance at helping to enlighten the galaxy and bringing it back out of the ignorance and superstition that had shrouded it since old night, but because of Arrogance that chance was forever lost.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@lachlanevans5013 I ike the version where its "Psyker shit is ok but sorcery on the other hand." Like the difference between magic and magecraft in fate

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

I read ''Mortarion at IKEA'' and was very confused

[@lawrencebray9623]

Umm by far the best voice over, and side effects. Well done! You and Christopher Tester are the best

[@christophermcbride4230]

Mortarian had a strong argument given that unchecked psykers would spell doom. He sees and understands that the road to damnation is paved with good intentions which we all know Magnus eventually falls into. I also think Mortarian was correct in his assessment of Magnus' practices as well as his concern for his brother. I don't beleive it was misplaced. He seemed genuinely concerned for Magnus but also had a chance at airing his grievances against psykers which is understandable based on his childhood.

[@worldsbuffestloremaster]

Pre heresy Morty is one of my favorite Promarchs. They really had a lot of cool things going on with his character until they took someone who absolutely hated psykers and then in the span of one book, poof, "hes over it now, magics awesome". And turned him into the uninspiring generic pile of trash he is now. Huge wasted potential.

[@bilianaivanova7902]

"When they met on the field, Ahriman used his sorcery to not only kill Wyrdmake physically but to annihilate his soul before it could pass into the Warp in vengeance for what Ahriman viewed as a terrible betrayal." Ahriman got his revenge for this betrayal.

[@jackstrayfeald1007]

Oh Mortarion...you complete hypocrite... Space wolves aren't that much better either.

[@lando8295]

But the reason I like death guard more is because he's a tragic hypocrite, he's in denial and he hates himself because he knows he is. Russ is just kinda stubborn without reason, and it annoys me more than interests me

[@Ravil322]

Even if they are hypocrites, Magnus did with his magic more damage, than these 2

[@lachlanevans5013]

@@Ravil322debatable as the Edict of Nikea left the loyalist without one of the best weapons to use against chaos. Effectively meaning they were screwed for the first part of the heresy and it ended up becoming irrelevant halfway through the heresy anyway but by then the damage had already been done.

[@smiley148784]

Looking forward to part two.

[@jimmygarza8896]

Mortarion does kind of have a point. He's still a whiny hypocrite, but his point on evil coming in small steps is still valid. To say otherwise would be genetic fallacy.

[@BlastastiC]

"The person you hate just made an OK, kinda reasonable point" vibes from Mortarion here.

[@catthompson4272]

15:44 everything after this is merely proves the point. SO MUCH POWER and NO CONTROL he is giving his best son a seizure/aneurysm without even meaning too with psychic power during his own damn trial for the misuse of psychic power it's like someone accused of drink driving showing up to court drunk then taking a shot of whisky while the trail is taking place. Magnus and the thousand sons are addicts of the worse kind no mere intervention was going to make them stop using they are literally using it while standing trial the emperor and malcador are present as are ALL their DETRACTORS and STILL they use it. Mortarion maybe a hypocrite but even a broken clock is right at some point.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Wonderful work as always, grateful 🛐🛐🛐

[@Evohunter7]

Yes, Mortarion can be seen as a vindictive hypocrite, but I love him.

[@jhetttiernan2623]

Just spare a thought for poor Ahriman there. He genuinely believed Wyrdmake was his friend when in actuality he was just a duplicitous lying backstabber.

[@bilianaivanova7902]

When they met on the field, Ahriman used his sorcery to not only kill Wyrdmake physically but to annihilate his soul before it could pass into the Warp in vengeance for what Ahriman viewed as a terrible betrayal.

[@PhilipVosteen]

@@bilianaivanova7902 honestly, annihilating someones soul before it passes into nurgles personal sewer pipe is probably a mercy. maybe ahriman still valued the guy? or recognized that on some level he was right and the 1000 sons were damned through their psyker usage when wyrdmake tried to warn them?

[@k1llerseventeen]

Your work is superb. Bravo, Sir.

[@XRyanK]

"No librarian shall sully the ranks of the Death Guard. Not whilst i draw breath." And then he goes and becomes a far worse version of that which he condemns. Mortarion the galactic lvl hypocrite.

[@ralframirez700]

He claims he speaks out of love for Magnus. Pfft what a load of horseshit.

[@RAD1111able]

Ah,yes,the biggest hypocrite of them all.

[@vontheunknown7982]

There's a rumor going around, that Morty is going to get redeemed, but what do you guys think?

[@thatoneguy2958]

I'm thinking its going to be either Lorgar or Magnus that get redeemed. With one or the other taking emps place on the golden throne to allow Big E (or at least his spirit) to return to the wider galaxy... but if they did that then then we'd know the setting would be coming to a close. And we both know that won't be happening anytime soon. (You could also say "Fulgrim" might be the one, if you count his clone that is.)

[@helman41]

No traitor primarch should get redeemed. No lost primarch should return. Let 40k remain 40k.

[@pedropierre9594]

The way GW works, they’ll forget about that plotpoint until its too late to bring it up

[@ryanhorne5379]

​@@helman41A lost primarch returning could alter the setting but I doubt it would rock so much it isn't what is it is at the core of it.

[@iloveplayingpr]

Doubt it, closest we'll get is Clonegrim or Alpharius.

[@kingmarsh4657]

Why did I misread that as "Mortarion at Ikea"...

[@NotDr.Evil137]

Magnus didn't know what to do after that final betrayal. I know he goofed it BAD, but...I dont know, what would Dr. Phil say? 😣

[@vukstepanovic6155]

All of it mortarions fult ... and erebus.

[@krel3358]

I think if the Emperor was smart the council should have been a case by case basis where each legion or Primarch gave private testimony as to their thoughts on psykers and the librarius and then possibly made a structural change tailored to suit the needs of each legion. A one size fits all approach is stupid because fundamentally some legions are just going to have different cultures and approaches to things that any sort of blanket judgement is going to cause friction and resentment among those who dont get their way. I'd also point out that since the Imperium is supposed to be founded on logic why is it that the anecodotes and subjective judgements of non-psykers are given credence in the form of arguments rather than actual substantive proof and evidence. In a real court all of this would be regarded as conjecture, hearsay, and speculation. The argument that one group of psykers being bad will lead to another group of psykers being bad is like saying cars should be banned because there are bad drivers and thus its too dangerous for anyone to have a car because I like to walk and bike and everyone else should be made to do what I like and what I dont like should be banned.

[@ApostleMarduk]

The reason why all the Primarchs couldn't make it is because of the pressures of the Great Crusade. The Khan for instance, wanted to go but had to chase Ork remnants from Ullanor. Nearly every legion sent a representative though, Targutai Yesugei was the White Scar's representative.

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

Talk about pot calling the kettle black 😂

[@jkee9760]

Some one is stealing your VO work. kzbin.infoYVw5pRVfQa0?si=gwsyOr6K-42WTzku

[@danielquintonvo]

Thank you for the heads up!

[@jkee9760]

@danielquintonvo it came up while I was swiping through, anything 40k makes me watch, and your voice overs are too recognizable. And specifically the Dante meets guilliman episode which is one of mh favorites. Also glad you check comments, I don't have any other way of reaching you.

[@danielquintonvo]

@@jkee9760 I don't get much of a chance to reply to comments now unfortunately but I do try and keep an eye on them at least! and, my email is in the about me but, this worked anyway! So, thank you again, I'm glad you commented!

[@Saiper1990]

[@Slechy_Lesh]

7:33

[@ditmarvanbelle1061]

Mortarion speaks well, and true. He usually does.

[@christianperrotti6183]

Magnus did nothing wrong.

[@michaelganey-diaz5388]

Incorrect, Magnus did plenty wrong. He is an essence, the poster child of what happens when you lay your path down with the best of intentions, but don’t bother to verify where the information you are getting comes from. Has several spiritual aspects that pop up through various stages of the heresy say loudly, and clearly that this is my fault. When the Wolves assaulted Prospero, Tzeetech or an avatar of Tzeetech, Came to him as he sat in his pyramid, and literally told him that he and his legion were damned because of the pearl of knowledge that he himself gave to Magus to save his sons from the effects of the Flesh Change and when payment came due all the work that Magnus did sacrificing his eye lead to nothing the flesh change returned a one nearly devoured his legion, causing Ahriman to enact his own deal with chaos and instituted his Rubic

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@michaelganey-diaz5388 honestly mans was boned he had a structure of 10 companies almost 900 died and he kept 9 tzeench number is 9 he was marked and is likely why the emperor never touched him or brought him close

[@YolkyburritoOG]

Early to one of the best voice acting channels around 🫡 Keep it up brother!