Joker: Folie à Deux - Review (No Spoilers)

[@hystericalz7]

Dan you HACK! That's not how you pronounce Folie à Deux, it's actually "Folie à-Esposito" 😉

[@ajaybathula37]

Yeah Dan, you lost all your credibility.... just stop calling yourself a movie critic

[@AnyRoadRichard]

😂

[@KameronMcQueen]

😂😂

[@joaoviniciusbezerraassunca7373]

EspOsito. Common!

[@bawse420]

Blasphemy Dan!!

[@christiananddanyell]

These movies are the reason why I wish Screen Junkies Movie Fights weere still a thing.

[@Shmotivated]

I was just rewatching some of those the other day… good times.

[@skribbleskills]

What an era!

[@DanMurrellMovies]

Me too! This one would have been epic

[@jim1242]

The episode with Dan and Spener arguing over Seaquest Dsv is a classic. So is the Jurrasic World, does it suck Episode!

[@Carebear-g]

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[@dylanpaterson4250]

“The subtitle is French that’s how you know it’s some deep stuff.” -Todd Phillips, probably

[@Redbullrb17]

Honestly I feel suicide squad joker and harley type shit was lit and in the end they blast the court 💯 it would have been the starting begging 💯 it's the worst kinda movie in the history of cinema 🎥 old joker and harley cruising down in their car batman behind suicide squad that would have been the continued story no sense of directions 0.1 / 10 no cap

[@cesarrios701]

@@dylanpaterson4250 Todd Phillips is so pretentious

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

I mean, it's the official term for Madness Shared by Two. At the most I just don't think that quite represents the movie, but if you were gonna call it that, Joker: Madness Shared by Two isn't any better.

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

@@DJ-wl5qo It's not even really a standard kind of sequel, also just adding "2" is deeply uninspired. Think of something else.

[@schizzo8959]

Your comment wasn't deep or clever either.

[@JacobRavenglass]

2 Foleys 2 Furious

[@XenFayed]

Sounds painful!

[@Cheezpopcorn]

2 Foley artists or 2 catheters? Yikes!

[@Redbullrb17]

Honestly I feel suicide squad joker and harley type shit was lit and in the end they blast the court 💯 it would have been the starting begging 💯 it's the worst kinda movie in the history of cinema 🎥 old joker and harley cruising down in their car batman behind suicide squad that would have been the continued story no sense of directions 0.1 / 10 no cap

[@L4NkYb]

Now I want some sort of Buddy comedy with Dave Foley and Mick Foley

[@JacobRavenglass]

@L4NkYb Omg no cap, I was thinking of the exact same guys (maybe even save Scott Foley for the sequel 🙃).

[@jbearclowater]

I love that Dan is doing so much to raise awareness for the Hurricane relief. I hope everyone affected is safe, and able to recover as quickly as possible.

[@thestorm99]

...it's the only good part of his review.

[@Redbullrb17]

Honestly I feel suicide squad joker and harley type shit was lit and in the end they blast the court 💯 it would have been the starting begging 💯 it's the worst kinda movie in the history of cinema 🎥 old joker and harley cruising down in their car batman behind suicide squad that would have been the continued story no sense of directions 0.1 / 10 no cap

[@TheFreakazoid777]

I just gotta say how much I appreciate your nuance and fair criticisms. You rightfully cite both the positives and negatives of a movie, and consider them both when judging the movie as a whole. So many other "reviewers" just hang on to the negatives and completely ignore any positives. Then they act like it's the worst movie ever. It's aggravating how those styles of videos always generate a bunch of clicks. You've become my go-to critic when I'm curious about a movie.

[@TheAgentSlash]

As someone in the part of NC that got hit hard by the hurricane, I appreciate you sharing the links up top, Dan! It's nice to see people care and are trying to help out, especially since I assumed for the first few days after the storm that no one even knew what was going on over here. Keep up the great work you're doing on your channel and I look forward to spending part of my day here again once the next video comes out.

[@800Ms-k6n]

Love how in my notification, Dan and Jeremy Jahns uploaded their own movie's review at the same time 😅

[@Moreogrady1995]

Always and forever haha😊

[@Jogwheel]

That's not a coincidence, haha. I'm guessing 9 a.m. Eastern was when the embargo lifted.

[@DanMurrellMovies]

@Jogwheel It is, strangely, a coincidence. There was no embargo on this one. I guess we just have some sort of deep psychic connection

[@procraftinatorz4116]

@@DanMurrellMovies Folie Review

[@TheClintPodcast]

Love it!

[@Trazynn]

Your concern about the threats that could stem from the first Joker are well founded. However, it's not the movie, which is quite benign. But rather the way the media desperately tried to spin it into something that could inspire psychopaths. It was a sick and perverted way they were trying to get something going there.

[@rexcatston8412]

I mean in all fairness, this is literally what they do every single time in all aspects of media, so it really shouldn't be surprising that they'd do it again. 'White people terrible, straight man evil, non-politically correct sentiment dangerous, anti-establishment is racism' is the medias collective motto. The media isn't a place for objectivity or entertainment value, its a vessel for unhinged leftists to vent their hatred for anything that skews from their razor narrow opinion on reality

[@pano3607]

I agree that people shouldnt make out that Joker might inspire psychos. End of the day, psychos are psychos. Films don’t make them that way. Plus, if we look at movies that way, we’ll never be able to have a good anti-hero again. However, it wasn’t that long before Joker was released that some a-hole did actual dress as the Joker and kill a load of people in Aurora Colorado. I can see why some people might take umbrage with a movie being made in which the Joker kills people and is held up by many to be the hero.

[@Malt454]

The first movie was a criticism of a society that could create the Joker, and the sequel is a criticism of a society that could make him a celebrity, which includes our society. The idea goes back at least as far as the Joker appearing on the Letterman show in The Dark Knight Returns. If the movie disappoints the Joker fan club, it's mainly because it questions whether the Joker should have a fan club to begin with. Some people just won't understand the movie and hate it, others will understand the movie and just hate what it says - the Joker's the protagonist, but he's not a hero. So it goes.

[@davidjollyamazingmr.j-magi6507]

Well said.👌 Agreed...thank you.👍

[@haydenmatzkows4581]

10000% agree with this

[@markhowie6564]

I can't believe how many people don't understand what Phillips was doing with these films....mission accomplished.

[@Malt454]

@@markhowie6564- Yes, the point is what if the Joker existed in the real world - and the real world has created many who may be different but are just as bad - but no one seems to notice that, after we make the Jokers, there's no Batman to save us from them (and even he doesn't do a very good job) so maybe we should pay more attention to what we do in the first place.

[@DoratTheKiller]

I haven't seen the film and I don't like musicals, but perfectly put

[@_paul]

This will be the most divisive movie of the year. People will hate it, and I understand why. People will like it (like myself), and I understand why.

[@pano3607]

Ditto. I thought it was alright. It’s a film that takes risks and I like that. The risk being how real Todd Philips kept it: Flek is a man with mental problems.

[@sharkboyalan]

I actually really loved this movie. I loved the singing and their approach of storytelling. It’s definitely a movie made to be seen in a movie theater with loud speakers.

[@kiddlorenz7582]

I like when a reviewer who is a little bit of a cinephile and not just a blockbuster popcorn junkie. This is why I love Dan's takes when he review films he brings out classics or not-so-known films as references to add depths into his videos. It's such a refreshing and pleasing to listen to someone's own perspective that actually have knowledge about cinema period. Thank you Dan!!!

[@Xayjohns]

I agree. Someone else you might really enjoy is the channel "deepfocuslens". She (her name's Maggie) is amazing.

[@LuisDiazArtist]

Exactly. I needed to come here to find the review I needed to hear because every is going to give their two cents trying to get the likes of the masses because they are all going to be disappointed by a movie that expects more from the audience.

[@PixieMermaid-fz9rt]

I can't believe you received threats of harm from a DC fan. I mean you talk about movies and entertainment, so people should not be up in arms about your opinion about it.

[@neutraltoxic]

If this is surprising to you, you live in a fantasy world

[@piusdoe8984]

Unfortunately it's more common than it should be. Lots of morons out there

[@rayawira]

Not a new thing. Dc fanboys have been making death threat since back in the day when the dark knight was released. Some critics who gave rotten score got threatened. In fact, I think that's the reason why rottentomatoes took down the comment section on the review page.

[@dank2171]

It's pathetic but if your public figure. It happens. I wouldn't be concerned about joker 1. Art can only influence broken people. Never blame art.

[@loganr6203]

​​@@dank2171 "art can only influence broken people" what?

[@SwiftyMcGee118mate]

I've seen a lot of reviewer's mentioning audience's viewing Arthur as a hero in the first movie when discussing Folie a deue. Who the hell viewed him as a hero? It was about a mental patient who went off his meds and went on a murderous rampage

[@experimentsininsanity4478]

It's largely the same people who ironically (but also, in a way, unironically) glorify Tyler Durden and Patrick Bateman. Big in the Alpha/Sigma male crowd.

[@SwiftyMcGee118mate]

@@experimentsininsanity4478 The 'Literally me' crowd 😂

[@RuddFoxx]

It was more nuanced than that, it was how people treating each other badly makes monsters in the world and just a little kindness could be the difference between a school shooting or a murder or whatever and a beam of happiness for many people.

[@RuddFoxx]

@@experimentsininsanity4478 You can find wisdom from a lot of places other than from MSNBC.

[@bryanbaquiran278]

Arthur felt like a counter culture agent that fought against a society that did him wrong which held a sense of heroism, making his villain origin story feel that much more nuanced

[@adraino7345]

Folly of Two. But ultimately the shared delusion isn’t just Joker and Harley Quinn. It’s also Harley and the fans who share a delusion.

[@a7000zo]

That's 100% how I read it by the end.

[@Timlagor]

@@a7000zo It's a pun. Folie is a dance as well as madness

[@sonofyah_chosen1950]

Yup I feel like it’s a bit meta, how actual joker/ dc fans are towards the character

[@KaptifLaDistillerie]

@@Timlagor i'm french and i've never heard folie being reffered as a dance

[@Timlagor]

@@KaptifLaDistillerie It's not so much a meaning as the name of a dance (type) -turns out it's a musical term first en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folia

[@michaelgriffin3537]

Todd Phillips got Warner Brothers to give him $200 million to make a sequel calling fans of the first film idiots. You've got to respect the tenacity

[@Poweranimals]

How do you figure that?

[@Bigfish19692008]

Well, he's not wrong.

[@jigokuruler36]

so far i've seen 4 reviews for this movie, and dan's review is the most positive, if this is the most positive i don't know if i want to watch the movie on theaters anymore😅

[@IamBHM]

It's a redemption arc for a character who suffers greatly from living in a crap-sack world and whose character arc in the first movie was gaining a sense of power and agency from growing out of being merely a victim into being a victimizer. The story is a tragedy and does not have a triumphal ending. A lot of critics seem to accuse the movie of something it does not do. Folie a Deux respects the hell out of the character and setting that the first movie established. The character is realistic and the world is grim and gritty. Joker is about a victim growing to become a villain, angry at a world that never cared about him. Folie a Deux is about that character growing from a villain into a non-villain, and learning to regret the harm he caused by lashing out in the first movie. I guess that's what some fans don't like about it, they didn't want to see a story about one of their favorite villains learning to regret having hurt people and wanting to not be that villainous person anymore. They didn't want to see a redemption arc for this character.

[@Professorkenneth]

I loved it. 👍🏻 Not a masterpiece like the first, but defo a great film. Joaquin is brilliant.

[@Bushdid9eleven]

Does it have a fair amount of action in it? Planning on seeing it in 4DX but wondering if it’s not worth it.

[@spencer9836]

@@Bushdid9elevenabout 2 scenes not as much as the first

[@anakoz]

Basically no action ​@@Bushdid9eleven

[@IamBHM]

A good movie. In a difficult spot, following up the gritty realism, descent into madness, finally triumphing over your victimizers by becoming a victimizer yourself, villian-protagonist story that was the first film. Making it a musical was a good idea, I think, but a difficult one. Thematically, it's all about bouncing back and forth between hopeless and gritty realism in a crap-sack world, and fantasies of power and happiness and agency and revenge and love. The music is used in the movie like the clown makeup is, to generate fantasies of something more appealing than the depression and abuse that is almost all the real world contains. There are a few good people in this movie, but they are all ultimately weak and impotent in the face of the gritty reality of this bleak world. This movie is a tragedy, and it hurts to watch, but it respects the vision of the first movie very well I think. Juxtaposing the relief and excitement of the fantasy of power and agency against the grim reality of a dour world made mostly of victimizers and victims, and the few people trying to help are mostly powerless to do so.

[@BrickologyProductions]

Thank you for acknowledging my home state of NC, Dan!

[@Jogwheel]

A well-articulated, and yet measured review! You have sufficiently piqued my interest, Dan! Thanks for the upload, as always.

[@JMANB5]

I might see this since I have A-List, but I'm prioritizing seeing "The Wild Robot" first.

[@jbearclowater]

Having just seen The Wild Robot on Sunday, that is the right choice. Everyone should prioritize The Wild Robot

[@SinMidnight]

​@jbearclowater totally agree. Saw it this past weekend and it's great.

[@5DollarGaming]

Good man!

[@amazingamandareelztalk]

No go see Wild Robot first right choice. Very good film

[@mediaikonz]

I'm trying to find the time to see The Wild Robot again!

[@shanonb8921]

I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD THREATEN ANYONE OVER A MOVIE REVIEW, SERIOUSLY??

[@ChubbyChecker182]

Terminator 2 should have been a musical. And Rocky 2. And all sequels.

[@thestorm99]

Joker 2: Electric Boogaloo would have been better

[@qui-gonrick7002]

Empire Strikes Back - The musical.

[@jasonandkathleenbarker6306]

Luke you shouldn’t bother Because I am your father No it’s not true I don’t believe you Yes the truth I speak Join me and you will have what you seek I’ll never join you I’d rather eat dog doo

[@marcstone60]

You're starting to become one of my favorite reviewers. Very nuanced. Clear and unbiased. And you're a nice guy also. Loved how you are asking for attention to the suffering of the people and animals that were hit by the hurricane.

[@greggibson33]

Todd Phillips ran out of movies to steal from.

[@arubinojr5670]

Sounds like he found so many to steal from he had to make a series of vignettes to fit them.

[@800Ms-k6n]

He should've made a religious Joker movie with Silence as the inspiration 😂😂

[@stephentruelove5439]

Confused....so then, you wanted him to just rip-off more Scorsese flicks? Or did you want something original? In which case, this ticks the boxes...

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

He admitted to taking influence from One From the Heart!

[@txtstar119]

Unfortunately the movie was made it seems with no narrative purpose. Sort of aimless the cinematography was the best point but everything else seems hallow and empty.. sometimes even boring. The first trailer really showed the energy it could of had but a courtroom drama rehashing the first movie was not interesting and seemed pointless from a sequel story standpoint. Also this movie costing 200 million dollars in lunacy.

[@zachcouch8654]

Fantastically said Barely anything new or interesting. And yes at time boring.

[@YnotNomis]

I Liked it. Yeah, it has plot issues, and not as good as the first, but I thought it was pretty good and quite entertaining. It's "One flew over the Cucokoo Nest" + "All that Jazz" with a dash "Looking for Mister Goodbar" (The abrupt ending)

[@frmm123]

If Joker had been taken into custody, the logical sequel would've been organizing and accomplishing the breakout out of Arkham, and the hellish mayhem to follow (Cesar Romero style).

[@zavthe1371]

this joker is an idiot not some mastermind

[@frmm123]

@@zavthe1371 Kind of like the trigger-trolls on this website.

[@aesop1451]

“Yeah! And Harley steals a mallet from a clown shop! And Commissioner Gordon and Joker have a rooftop battle! And a post-credits scene where Lex Luthor invites Joker to join the Injustice League!”

[@One.Zero.One101]

@@zavthe1371 Yeah this Joker is an emo. Don't expect him to be like the Arkham games.

[@frmm123]

@@aesop1451 Exactly. Introduce a little anarchy.

[@prufrock1977]

I’m living abroad and I won’t get to watch it until the 16th. This review helps me feel okay going into the theater. I’ve seen a lot of negative headlines, so I was a bit worried. I tend to just enjoy movies. I am not going to expect the magnificence of the first film. But at least I know it isn’t a waste of time.

[@ThizbeSylvan]

i loved it so much. i understand it may not be for everyone, but it feels like it was made for me. 10/10

[@TheFlakZak]

I loved the film, i think the low critic scores are for a similar reason as the relatively low Joker 1 critic scores, a lot of critics just dont like that Todd Phillips is going for. And for the low audience score, i think its about expectations, they expected a movie about the Arthur finally being the Joker and being a badass or something for a full movie. And thats exactly what the movie is criticizing, the idolization of the Joker. Also it being a musical, i would bet most people that went this opening weekend didnt know it was a musical. Or thought that maybe there would be a couple of songs and thats it. And its unfortunate that a lot of people despise musicals. I went it expecting a musical and i had a fantastic time.

[@ColinLenehan]

I just noticed (and liked) the volume level LEDs on Dan's mic

[@smittycal]

It’s going to split the audience for sure. Especially with the ending And I liked the fact that they took risk with the film but the film didn’t pay off That said I did like parts of this movie especially the courtroom scenes

[@NewtMan93]

Joker dies…

[@smittycal]

@@NewtMan93 I know. I saw it already

[@greggibson33]

@@NewtMan93 Good news.

[@arubinojr5670]

You say that like it'd stop a 3rd movie being made. All that does is free them from limits of space.

[@Penguinzero1]

Film was great It did pay off

[@Gavin48]

This is giving me "The Last Jedi" vibes. Which is a good thing in my mind. Cause whilst I didn't love that movie. It took risks which I want to see from a mainstream blockbuster

[@yondie491]

I never properly appreciated that a Joker Mister Cellophane was missing from my life... lol. Great to hear Phoenix is on point as he so often is. This review is basically what I was hoping for and quasi-expecting. Looking forward to seeing it.

[@violetfishes4387]

i agree with what you said about the messaging from the first movie and I am glad you brought it up in your reviews, even though I appreciate some aspects of the movie. people really shouldn't threaten critics about reviews. especially as I feel your reviews are quite generous and balanced.

[@andrewhernandez5247]

Dan I adore you but I disagree on this one. Definitely “flecks” of ingenuity in trying a different approach. But big risk= big reward or failure. This was anticlimactic and failed to justify its run time. Folie a “don’t see it.”

[@800Ms-k6n]

Well, there you have it. Lost the Golden Lion, got way more mixed response than the previous movie, seems like this movie might have a hard time recapturing the same success of the first movie for awards especially at the Oscars 🤷

[@DylanGoins-pu3mn]

Much love from North Carolina, we’re building back stronger than ever 💪🏼

[@aiwash2766]

The people fear mongering about Joker where so dumb especially once the film came out, I was expecting some seriously messed up stuff with wild violence and when I watched it I went, seriously this is what people where freaking out about? It’s such a joke to go back and hear that stuff nowadays makes me roll my eyes

[@RealJeffTidwell]

“Other people are dumb and need to be taught, corrected. I, however, am very smart man. I get worried about other people though, because they are dumb.” See this too often.

[@ponli7532]

It's funny because , Dan Murrell is one of those people who engaged in the fear rhetoric. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmSqfWmbgLd6f5I

[@moulanakratos]

Well they were pretty dumb about Joker...so ! ​@@RealJeffTidwell

[@kityhawk2000]

Can't believe they made aJoker musical and never thought to do a version of "I Can't Stop Laughing" from Arkham Knight

[@zachlikeswrestling]

I enjoyed the film quite a bit, did I think it was as good as the first one? No. What it a bit messy? Yes. Are the musical numbers definitely gonna turn people away? For sure but there was so much for me to enjoy about it as a whole. I’ve already seen basically nothing but negative reviews about this film but I’m gonna be on my island for this one. THUMBS UP

[@PelvisPresley7294]

It's pronounced to folly a dookie.

[@jcardenasflicks]

I think this one may also split audiences and may not be as commercially successful as its predecessor. But, this one has the elements for a possible cult classic in the coming years.

[@jorgerivera5374]

It’s a masterpiece! & I don’t think people are deep enough to truly appreciate it. Arthur fleck is Batman’s half brother & Batman’s dad ironically created the inevitable real joker. Arthur never experienced love , not from his mom or anyone, that sadness that loneliness and utter despair is the entire point. Arthur is a good person a victim , someone we all had empty for in part 1 and throughout. The Folie a deux is French for two crazy people delusional together . He’s delusional believing she truly loves him for who he is as Arthur Fleck, and she’s delusional for loving the joker side of him even tho that’s not really him because he’s a good guy and not even the real joker after all. The midget even said you were always good to me. It was Arthur’s redemption, but when he went searching for Harley the tragedy is she doesn’t love who he really is and Arthur died alone never expecting love. Arthur doesn’t make the direct connection that maybe he could get love if he continues the joker persona and is never presented that opportunity, maybe he would have kept being the joker if it meant he could be loved by Harley, we will never know. When he sees Harley with make up is faded away as Arthur fleck this weak man who came out at closing statement is not attractive to Harley, that’s why she left him alone in the courtroom as she herself realizes in the end that it was all a fantasy & he isn’t the joker. In the end he is the origin story & inspiration of the real joker , the guy who kills him in the end and cuts smile on his face is the Joker who battles Batman not Arthur fleck.

[@silviar5347]

Dan bringing up Chicago and Mr cellophane on this review was chef's kiss. Great thinking!! Though Chicago's song were amazing and iconic, unlike Joker's, which were forgettable, pointless and uninspired.

[@mackjay1777]

Fascinating to see how others are affected this way. When I was that young I was often scared by TV and movies because I knew adults made them, so there must be something true about what i was seeing. At that age, knowing someone is an actor doesn't help---it just all seems 'real'. The TV series THE OUTER LIMITS had lots of things like this for me

[@jisungpar1]

Wasn't excited for this film before as I expected more of a rehash of the first film with a musical twist (Not good because I generally don't like musicals). This review though has changed my mind as I am pleasantly surprised that a blockbuster sequel has made some very bold choices and tried to do something daring, that is very exciting.

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

This movie, much like its predecessor, only appears interesting or "innovative" if your cinephile diet consists solely of comic book or superhero-oriented movies. It's "Baby's 1st Taxi Driver," as Jay Bauman put it.

[@Jay30k]

Folie à Deux = madness for two

[@TedPlaysGames-nv4sg]

Thanks for shouting out to the people who needed the hurricane! I wasn't affected very much, but I know people who were, and it's so sad how many people have to rebuild.

[@RangerMcFriendly]

John Campea’s out of theater review is summed up with his last phrase: “It sucked!” Uh oh.

[@zachcouch8654]

It does suck.

[@RangerMcFriendly]

@@zachcouch8654Yikes. Looks like I am avoiding it. Didn’t look that good judging by the trailer anyways.

[@kovy4win]

@@RangerMcFriendly a random comment made your decision on seeing it? yikes

[@aesop1451]

@@RangerMcFriendly Watch it and make your own opinion.

[@emmmoo8631]

Excellent review: tbh the only insightful review that has some honesty and is not dismissive of its artistic attempts.

[@lilshortkid100]

Gotta hand it to Dan, no matter what’s going on in his own life, he still takes time out of his videos to draw attention to others who are in need. That’s a big reason why Dan is one my favorite movie critics. Top marks, Dan!

[@kaboom7765]

Best reviewer I know of. Clear and concise thoughts

[@Tripwelleverday]

People that say it sucked are stupid it’s the greatest show on earth best movie ever made literally the lighting the twists the turns it’s epic Oscar’s all around Gaga was epic phoenix was outstanding it was magic

[@RJ_____________]

Joker 2 is a weak movie in my opinion . i liked to see your No Spoilers review to Joker 2 , Dan

[@stevemuzak8526]

I am the only one who "enjoys" Joker 2?

[@pano3607]

This is a good review. I’m having to sift through review videos for Joker 2 to find one in which the rage of the reviewer doesn’t come through! Perhaps that’s my fault for going to KZbin for movie reviews, but I’d rather a reviewer was able to look at and review a movie objectively without getting personally offended.

[@ShaneRob93]

Dan thank you for the hurricane relief shoutout! My dad lives in Morganton NC, its devastating seeing the pictures out of there and it seems the news is mostly focusing just on Asheville when its a much wider problem. The small towns are going to take so much longer to recover, and possibly never be back to where they once were.

[@800Ms-k6n]

I was wondering what is the next Martin Scorsese movie that this movie might be inspired of. Who knows we could've gotten a Joker movie inspired by Silence or Hugo or even crazier, The Wolf Of Wall Street 😅

[@pattheplanter]

I have always wanted to see another After Hours.

[@nms7872]

Joker sequel but it's actually just Hugo

[@tonyg76]

Mixed opinions on this. Phoenix gave another great performance and the storyline had some interesting points. On the downside, it was pretty depressing too. As far as above the line Oscars go, I was disappointed with Lady Gaga and thought she was mainly a singer in this movie and should not be nominated. I did think Phoenix deserves another nomination for this.

[@ace_king]

The “Choas” in the movies storyline all felt purposeful and amazing to me. I’m pretty sure he had every intention of starting with 1 type of movie and ending with a totally different 1. We are along for Arthur Flick’s crazy, chaotic ride. I thought it was genius!

[@intense79nick]

This actually got me excited to see it to form my own opinion. Thanks Dan!

[@fabiobonetta5454]

Folie a Deux ..it certainly wins the prize for the most pretentious prickly title of the year, from the cinematic mind that brought us Road Trip😶

[@eugenejohnson1627]

This was a beautiful film that has great moments and expertly uses the IMAX screen but the music got in the way of this film. So, I didn't like the film but I didn't dislike it either. This film is 50/50 music and dialogue. Now most of the songs fit in where dialogue would have been used, but if you don't like musicals you will not like this film. The movie severely underutilized Harley. This film focuses primarily on Arthur Fleck and not the Joker. I hated the ending for a Joker film. 5.75/10.

[@jamesglatthaar4594]

God bless you Dan, as a NC native, I’ve seen the effects on a personal level from my friends and family, I appreciate your support

[@fcv4616]

I liked the movie. It’s thematically a good spin to the original as it challenges the audience’s tendency to root for villains or even criminals in real life. Murderers like Manson or Dahmer had numerous fans that wrote to him, worshipped and even wanted to have babies with him. Maybe because they relate to their hardships they’ve endured, or because they project on these criminals a desire for rebellion, justice or vengeance. But at the end of the day though, Arthur Fleck admits that there’s no Joker, there’s no grandiosity or higher plan to his crimes; he’s just a sad, mentally unstable man. And Harley and the rest turn on him because otherwise they’d have to admit they’re not special, they’re just as sad and crazy as he is. Ironically, the rejection that real life audiences have had for the movie confirms the film’s thesis. People were expecting to see an over-the-top Joker like Nicholson’s, or mysterious and complex as Heath Ledger’s, who also pointed out society’s hypocrisies. Instead, they got the anti-climactic reality of what someone like the Joker would be like: a mere man with a troubled past and a deeply troubled mind, with no grandiosity to him except what the fans have given him.

[@FrakkinToasterLuvva]

Being difficult to work with is one thing. But what Phoenix just did was quit a movie with no explanation, as far as we know, just before it was to start shooting, a movie that got greenlit with the premise of him starring in it, and putting in danger or maybe ruining the entire project. I don't see how the Academy would decide to reward him with a nomination right now.

[@JohnnyCarver2024OC]

10:18 same, but it could have been great

[@rocfella]

narcissistic director, everything that comes from him now is "awesome" in his head

[@IamBHM]

I agree, it's good! Not as good as the first one, but very thematically poignant. Respected the hell out of the character and setting established in the first movie and found a way to do a follow up character study that made sense. It always hurts to watch a tragedy though, making this a difficult movie to recommend to people who only want lighter or uplifting fare. Definitely not a popcorny superhero flick.

[@perkins6610]

Thanks for the NC shout out, it’s much worse than you can imagine

[@gavinhenderson7250]

I'm sorry but this Joker just does not do it for me. The guy has no dog in him.

[@luis_ortiz963]

For the first time I disagree with you. Movies looked amazing but it was terrible!.

[@marc-antoinemarcoux697]

How? it was great! If you dont like musicals then you're not judging it for what it is and therefore, your opinion isn't really relevant... Its a good musical.

[@Batman25JM]

I have never left a movie feeling worse than I felt when I saw the first Joker movie. I really hated it and it made me feel gross. I am definitely skipping the sequel.

[@greggibson33]

One of the most overrated of all time. A tire 🔥 with scenes directly stolen from better movies.

[@AHalevonEric]

In all seriousness, it's French for folly of two and is a psych/criminology term for a shared delusion.

[@chrisf5828]

If Chicago is your closest analogy for the numbers then it is for real a musical. I thought you were going to say Pennies From Heaven which I'll bet is much more similar to this.

[@800Ms-k6n]

I thought that either Little Shop Of Horrors or Sweeney Todd might be a much better comparison

[@joshpartridge760]

Here’s what I’m noticing - the reviews that people are giving Joker 2 are inversely proportional to the reviews they gave Joker 1

[@TimChew-qh5yu]

100%

[@hotglassfilms]

Thank you for this review DAN. You're one of the few critics who actually don't take sides with the trend and actually give the diplomatic look for the film. So i'm more keen now

[@jacklewis5308]

It’s simple, I see a new Dan Murrell video, I watch the new Dan Murrell video.

[@AT1972ASDF]

Time might be kind to this film. Once dust settles and people get used to it, that "Rise and Fall" narrative might get its fans. I hope there's a Director's Cut with some of Harley stuff that was clearly removed. Fan editors might do wonders with that...

[@RangerMcFriendly]

Dan is the Man! Thank you from East TN for your support during this extremely difficult time. KZbinr “LGR” lost his house and his whole collection in Asheville too.

[@ncneto]

I'm usually on the same page with you on reviews, so I came to see your opinion right after seeing the movie... This time, I can't seem to disagree more... I don't know what it is, but I just couldn't find the way to like this movie. Maybe because the first one was so great, maybe because I got lost in the musical numbers to a point of shrugging when another one started, maybe because the ending felt so disappointing to me in terms of the comic book character. I could see the points you made about the good parts, but the whole experience to me was "not a fan" at best... As always, thank you for the great work, and I hope my words are taken as I meant them, just a disagreement, not a rant on your thoughts of the piece.

[@MrGregBMX]

“It’s a bold strategy Dan, let’s see if it pays off for’em” - Pepper Brooks

[@SceneNNerd]

Thank you so much, Dan for the North Carolina shout out for us impacted by Helene.

[@TheAdam159]

I liked it but i can understand why some dont. It will definitely polarise people.

[@antwainski]

I personally really loved this movie after rewatching the first one on Sunday night and seeing this one the day after at the fan screening. The colors and atmosphere in scenes and the overall direction was amazing imo, I do agree that the end does feel a bit lackluster but I loved it cause of what it does. This movie and the first one just feel like a whole complete cautionary tale but takes it to the extreme of telling that story

[@LuisDiazArtist]

Thanks for the great review! I did feel very similarly and yes people who want to eat the same kind of food they got in Joker will not be pleasantly surprised. I think one can imagine a movie where Phillips gives them what they want Spoiler Aleet. . Ex. Let’s have the court room bomb explosion really early in the film and have Joker rise helped by Harley. Perhaps her involvement basically giving the strength he needs to accept that role. Or perhaps another scenario where Joker had to rises in Arkham and building an empire from within. Of course none of this happened. The reasons for it only Phillips and the writers know. Perhaps for the simple fact that it’s what seems like a natural perhaps predictable outline. I think a lot of people will not get a lot out of this because the audience is expecting something else and I know it sounds a bit pretentious, but most comic book audience goers aren’t looking for something artistic. That is the dilema I think great directors and writers face. Sacrificing a vision for the sake of appeasing the general audience expecting something more of the same. It isn’t the first one. That was perfect. It still pulled you (if you are open) to a place that is deep and a bottled up potential that only released toward the end.

[@tiberiius]

I think this movie is being misunderstood a bit. It isn't perfect but I think it really shows what the state of delusion feels like for Arthur. I think a few years from now, people will look back at the movie with more understanding and respect/enjoy it more.

[@atexaninkorea1773]

You're the only youtuber i've seen who sheds light on the crazies you encounter making videos. Quite mind opening.

[@briancreacy7310]

Took my wife to see movie tonight. I was so disappointed and thought it was a terrible movie. I have been a big movie fan and lover of comic book characters for over 55 years. They totally dropped the ball and missed an opportunity for this film. It wasn't fun and story was stuck in neutral. I worked with people who have mental health issues it does not treat that subject with dignity. If you want to make a romp of a fictional character thats fun have at it. But to have the film stuck all film in prison/hospital setting with no fun is not entertaining. I feel i wasted 3 hours of my time that i cant get back. I asked someone who had seen the movie what he thought ? He said it was a Parody ? We can handle tough content but we also want to be entertained.

[@Edowin-jz2sj]

I liked the first one, but thought it was very overrated. The depiction of the harshness of the 80s era was spot on, but I felt like Arthur was not as sympathetic as audiences made him out to be.

[@sluice2015]

i said this for the first Joker movie and i will say it again: there was absolutely no need to use the DC/Batman property for these movies,it could have and should have been its own IP/Franchise. i will always feel that they only used the Joker IP to reel in an audience. Do keep in mind,i am 100% someone whos all about originality and creativity. I commend everyone involved with these movies for trying something... unique and different. at the end of the day though,personally,i just dont enjoy this execution. nothing about this screams JOKER to me. the first movie,i felt nothing about Joker or Batman or anything of that franchise. it was just a great psychological drama thriller,about a man whos mentally unwell and is going thru a rollercoaster of events in life,and a lot of us can relate to that when life is kicking our butts. Why did it need to have the name "Joker" attached to it? it couldve been titled "Laugh at My Pain" or something like that,lol.

[@fabianhammer2864]

i left the theater, feeling totally defeated, so i guess the movie did its job. im taking a shot of addressing the problems, ive had with it, since this feeling of utter defeat is heavily boosted, by the backlash, it received. to address it, ill dive into SPOILERS!!!!! this film was frustrating, its definitely flawed and the way the musical aspects are woven into the narrative, makes said narrative stops dead in its tracks, every time the musical fantasy becomes more elaborate- and by design, it will be jarring, theres a contrast, especially in the last act, that reinforces said effect. with all that out of the way, i will say, that this movie emotionally affected me, far more, than the first one ever did and i was on board, with that one, empathizing with arthur, every step of the way. this movie deconstructs most of the first film, in some very frustrating ways- my main issues were, as follows 1. if youre going the route of integrating musical elements and portraying it as an elaborate fantasy, i think its a missed opportunity, to write original music, for your characters, especially when your composer previously won an oscar. i got why they chose to go with old fashioned american songbook tunes and imo it works half of the time, but theres definitely some instances, of the song not furthering the narrative, or stopping it dead in its tracks. they couldve cut about 4 songs out of the movie and it wouldve benefited the flow. 2. while on the subject of cut material, its clear from the trailers alone, that portions of the film were cut, especially regarding lee- gaga does good, with what shes given, but i cant help but feel, that she was originally a more rounded character (a pun on her clearly having a baby bump, in one of the cut scenes), but that she got sidelined, because this is ultimately arthurs story and they didnt want to lose sight of that fact. 3. it being arthurs story is an exact mirror image of the first films narrative- where youre led to believe, that the first ends with arthur transforming into the joker, this film is about his letting go, of this construct, letting go of the fantasy. you can argue the point, since a good bit of the first one was only playing out in his head, that it should have been more of a struggle, for him, to let go, of his persona. 4. the way hes quite literally forced, to let go of the joker persona, is frankly tasteless. the heavily implied rape from the guards seemed like an overreaction, to what was merely an unspecified name drop, in the courtroom- what seems to break him, is that they kill his only friend and this, in combination with garys testimony, finally makes him realize, the kind of impact hes had. while i appreciated, that it showed arthur still had some empathy left, (despite the state psychiatrist claiming, one of his psychological issues, being a lack of such), it felt like a quick, brutal solution, that i feel couldve been achieved more organically, in court. 5. while on the court topic, i will say that harvey dent seemed like a caricature, of a smug lawyer- its yet another missed opportunity, to have dent be the one, to make the case against arthurs dual identity, when harvey dent traditionally has his own struggles, with said diagnosis, arguably to a much heavier degree. one can make the case, that after this case and him being minimally disfigured, by the bomb going off, said events may influence his stance, on duality, further down the road, also furthering the theme of arthurs influence, on people. as it stands, hes just this smug guy, who seems to think the courtroom is his audition, for a modelling gig. 6. addendum to the courtroom scenes- i realize, im probably very much in the minority, but i actually appreciated, that some of the events of the first movie were clarified. i never was a fan of the read, that the whole first movie might have been in his head, a theory, heavily argued for, by a majority, as being the joke, that arthur replies to, with you wouldnt get it. getting that isnt clever, it was always dumb, because it not only destroys any purpose for a narrative, it also goes against the idea, of empathizing with arthur, which was my big takeaway, of both movies. i will also say, that for the attentive viewer, theres quite a few examples, when it can be seen, that arthur is imagining things, which purposefully have been edited- one example of that, comes in the very beginning of the movie, during the bus scene, with the kid. when the camera pans back, after the argument with the kids mother, the kid isnt there anymore. i also never felt, that sophie and her kid surviving, was left ambigious, in the context of what weve come to know, about arthur. 7. last, but definitely not least, ill address the elephant in the room- the ending. it baffles me, how many people tried to tie this in, with heath ledgers joker, despite neither timelines, nor events, nor actors ages and appearances, line up with the nolan trilogy. while on the subject of the nolan trilogy, it had a pretty similar ending, to this one and i for one, found it way harder, to buy into the idea, of john robin blake taking up the bat-mantle, when comparing it, to the joker, as being this shadow, that will always be there, as an influence. it does make more sense to me, especially because the symbol of batman, is too specific to bruce, in my mind. while on the topic of bruce, i found it very interesting, that pretty much everyone from part 1, that survived, was brought back, except him. in retrospect, it does make the wayne family plot point of the first feel kind of tacked on, but i feel, it was done on purpose, to separate it further, from the source material. its not hard to understand, why many fans of comic book movies will feel, like theyre being pranked, but its a tragic prank, as written by arthur fleck. arthur fleck who? this point wouldve gone over better, if they didnt make harley closer to her source material, than expected, only to completely flip the dynamic, that joker and harley have, in said source material. everything gets turned on its head. so yes, its kind of a mess, on purpose and the decisions are often baffling, but for me at least, there was still genuine emotional investment and i knew, that this numbness, after leaving the theatre, was the point, not a clever, (like some have interpreted the ending of the first one), but a deeply emotionally resonant one. warts and all, this has genuinely touched me deeply, more than any film ive seen in the theatres, since the last one. arguing whats the point, is missing and proving said point- collectively we didnt care about arthur, we wanted to see joker. we wanted escapism and got something uncomfortably real and the contrast, in the fantastical musical numbers, made it land even heavier and ive felt anxious, every time the flick came to a grinding halt, when musical sequences faded to black and we got thrown back, into reality. as an audience weve been collectively taught, to expect certain things, from a franchise movie and this film, if nothing else, exists, to defy these expectations and i for one, cant help, but respect it, for that, while still understanding perfectly, why this wont go over well, for a lot of people. it has made me think and feel a lot, since i came out of the cinema- about the last 20 years and how these franchises have turned into the flogging of a dead horse, yet somehow, a flick like deadpool and wolverine taking up the mantle, of biggest R rated film off of joker, feels like a statement, about where we are, both artistically and collectively- easy sarcasm, cameos and even characters being reduced to memes- you contrast this with the honest sentiment, of an old timey song, sung slightly off key, but genuinely vulnerable, naked, stripped, like arthur was, of any pretense. and while i wont argue against todd phillips very own pretensions, the character of arthur fleck will stay with me and cast a shadow.

[@loganfeal5728]

Thank you so much for the hurricane help stuff at the beginning. I am from Florida and thankfully I'm not underwater but I know many who are.

[@nessiequin]

Thank you for acknowledging the hurricane. I live in Florida and it has been quite devastating to our community. ❤

[@XavierRD]

Dan, you wrote the ONE good intro joke in all of KZbin

[@anakoz]

Really didn't like this movie. Bit of a mess in general, but as a fan of musicals im sad the say that the musical sequences (mayne bar one) dont work at all.