Darkspawn Designs in Dragon Age Veilguard VS Dragon Age Origins

This video is showcasing the difference in designs between Darkspawn in Dragon Age Veilguard and Dragon Age Origins. #dragonage #dragonagetheveilguard

[@TerakJK]

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[@Marci-Ana-GMM]

Is not out of context.....

[@ripitoshaby4576]

Are you planning on buying a new kitchen?

[@CelestialDraconis]

You can _really_ tell this game was supposed to be a live service multiplayer.

[@soyleduart]

underrated comment

[@sol-hunter2332]

It was. Dreadwolf was canceled to make it live service. After the success of fallen order, they just scrapped the live service component.

[@elathiaskade7311]

Oh crap… it’s all making sense now

[@danheboy]

Nailed it. Looks and feels like a spin-off that ended up being the main thing because corporate didn't want to allocate budget to develop two titles at the same time

[@kovacsbenjamin7960]

100% this. The whole game structure is reflecting that shit. The game world is fucking dead, npcs are just decoration, everything is static. You fast travel to every mission and, you get different factions with reputation levels and that's how you get unique "skins" for transmog. The whole itemization of this game is a complete joke, you keep collecting the same boring stuff over and over and that's how you increase the item quality. There's no real exciting thing in the skill tree, almost everything is + % dmg. And the fact that you get only 3 active abilities is simply criminal. This game is a colossal failure and I genuenly can't understand how can anyone give it a good score. It's a terrible rpg and it's a terrible action game and it ignores the previous 3 games in the series.

[@CyberSlayer128]

"Well, wasn't expecting to fight an ogre today." They literally just went, "well, that just happened." I'm playing Origins again, holy crap.

[@Lord_Numpty]

Didn't these idiots fight what was ostensibly (but looked nothing like) a _Pride Demon_ at the start of the 'game'? An Ogre, while powerful, doesn't even deserve to be mentioned after that.

[@roundninja]

To be fair that does kinda sound like something Alistair would say in Origins. Having one goofball character is more tolerable than having the whole cast act like that, though.

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@roundninjaif all your characters act and talk the same you have a problem.

[@TheGrimmCommoner]

​@@roundninja Alastair would say, "more darkspawn, greeeaaaaat" sarcastically when it was weaker enemies. He was always cautious against trolls, demons, drakes and dragons.

[@roundninja]

​@@TheGrimmCommoner Right but she only said "I wasn't expecting to fight an ogre today" after it was dead and there was no more threat. When it was alive and attacking them she sounded genuinely freaked out. I'm not saying Veilguard isn't an absolute disappointment and a miscarriage of what could have been an excellent game. I just think it's a bit of a circlejerk how people act like every single aspect of Veilguard is a thousand times worse than every single aspect of Origins.

[@highelephant2317]

The veilguard design is such a letdown, they look like generic fantasy zombies, while the DAO gave us a swarm of evil humanoids capable of creating weapons and armor, as well as utilizing magic and even simple tactics like ambushes.

[@pillepolle3122]

you mean Orks?

[@StevenHargis-sp1vm]

You both spelled Orc wrong.

[@pillepolle3122]

@@TravelingwithJones the orks from lotr are corrupted elves

[@namelesssomebody2557]

The Darkspawn were mutated from the Taint. You'd think the artists would have gone with Nurgling-lite as a design choice.

[@leoleo1035]

@@namelesssomebody2557 They went full Disney/Pixar lmao

[@insrtcowjoke]

Changed from intelligent creatures organized into fighting armies into generic zombie-styled monsters. And they thought this was an improvement.

[@yonashyankowsky]

"Because no race is evil by choice 🥹"

[@oliversmithey723]

To be fair darkspawn are mostly mindless without an arch demon Still though when there’s TWO of them you’d think they’d be smarter

[@insrtcowjoke]

@oliversmithey723 I'm not so sure about that. Go back and play Origins again, they show basic combat tactics, commanders, screening, flanking, archer tactics and so on. Definitely bloodthirsty and certainly not quite as tactical or strategic as humans, but by no means mindless skull-headed rage zombies. Definitely feels like they're significantly downgraded in Veilguard into just generic monster enemies.

[@CteCrassus]

@@oliversmithey723 The very fact that they're wearing no armor and are attacking with their bare claws is indication enough that they went from "brutal monster with limited intelligence" to "non-sapient wild animal". Archdemons didn't make Darkspawn smarter but rather made them organized and gave them unshakeable purpose. Every dwarf you meet will tell you that Darkspawn aren't any less dangerous between Blights.

[@magisterrleth3129]

​@@oliversmithey723 They're not mindless without the Archdemon, they're just busy killing each other, the dwarves, and continually searching for the remaining Archdemons. The Archdemon is able to unite them through their tainted connection to it, but it doesn't grant them intelligence. Hurlocks and Genlocks are particularly intelligent, able to practice magic, lead warbands, or even general entire armies. They have all the cunning and cruelty of a man, and no capacity for pity or remorse.

[@miller42]

Everything is so non-threatening in The Veilguard. It's so soft and safe.

[@martyrart13]

Treviso disagrees

[@Masked_Official]

bit like the balls and cocks they cut off

[@randomgamingvideos9441]

and shiny why do everything has to be shiny Dragon Age is dark, sad rainbow people and them pushing their fantasies into games smh

[@zildjan8104]

@@randomgamingvideos9441 Dragon Age stopped being dark fantasy after Dragon Age: Origins; since Dragon Age II, we've had a similar formula.

[@nguyenho5859]

Until dr.misgender comes to save the day

[@tonybgtt]

"First day, they come and catch everyone. Second day, they beat us and eat some for meat. Third day, the men are all gnawed on again. Fourth day, we wait and fear for our fate. Fifth day, they return and it's another girl's turn. Sixth day, her screams we hear in our dreams. Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew. Eighth day, we hated as she is vi**ated. Ninth day, she grins and devours her kin. Now she does feast, as she's become the beast. Now you lay and wait, for their screams will haunt you in your dreams." I still have nightmares from this. This is what made me fall in love with the saga (among many other things, of course). I realize we need to let Origins go, I agree, we may never reach this level of quality again, that's okay, but how did we go from that to THIS?

[@zhongliimpact6220]

Man, Origins was and still is the only real Dragon Age game

[@wardeni4806]

@@zhongliimpact6220 DA2 was a pretty good spin-off. It wasn't as generally dark, but it wasn't afraid of being dark like with Hawke's Mother's fate. Inquisition had good and bad, but you could see them veering away from dark fantasy in that one. However, all of them are infinitely better that failguard

[@zhongliimpact6220]

@@wardeni4806 Yeah I guess when your expectations aren't that high and you don't care about a franchise legacy it's not that bad, yeah

[@Xenolithial]

_Do you hear me, Ser Wilhelm, Ser Wilhelm?_ _I am falling, Ser Wilhelm, Ser Wilhelm today_ _I'm a maiden, See Wilhelm. Ser Wilhelm?_ _But I'm dying Ser Wilhelm, Ser Wilhelm. In pain..._

[@BelleDreamer7]

I disagree. We stop accepting subpar crap. I literally have stopped preordering and just take peeks at streamers/KZbin, if the game looks good, I stop watching and buy. I will not be buying Veilguard because of the numerous issues from writing to artistic redesigns that show the directors/writers did not stick to the lore. Darkspawn were warrior monsters for two games and were terrifying, these are wave enemies that are meant to be milked for XP not inspire lore.

[@TheLordmep]

Those weird skull faces are almost funny, like they're wearing clown masks to provide child-friendly scares.

[@Davidofthelost]

The ogre looks like he’s got a monkey skull when he dies.

[@SeriousDragonify]

Like devs did with spiders in Hogwarts Legacy for those that are afraid of spiders... Modern people are so soft and weak. They never read the books, learned anything nor seen the world.

[@fabianthecownip]

@@SeriousDragonify A kinda hot take, but I feel like arachnophobia almost crosses the line into a sort of pseudo-religion. Most arachnophobes I've met seem almost proud of their fear of a tiny arachnid they can crush underneath their foot, and laughs out in glee whenever they manage to coerce someone into killing it for them. Poor little multi-eyed clever cuties...

[@SeriousDragonify]

@@fabianthecownip Youre supposed t beat the fear. Not t be a cward. When i was very young i was afraid of cone because did l98k like grenade. And im afraid of big height, i would beat the fear if i spend everyday on place where's big height. Girls are afraid of insects. Ive seen fishes like eel and anglefish, im not afraid of them now but i saw them when i was very young. Teeths and eyes. And the last thing is im afraid of some attractive girls (still am but im not getting much walking. Summer is a hunting season and having fun. There are always those that are easy t talk with than with Debbie Downers thinking "Oh nobody will be with me, im fgly etc.". They just remove fear from ya after few min), i spent more otside and talked step by step till i overcame that fear. Didnt care what i would say, just talked with them and improved my social skill. Obviously i never was rude, for some reasons some people were rude because theyre taught differently. Theyre thinking im with them for one thing. Dont care and i knw how feels having... Ya knw. For me conversation is better than having one night with someone.

[@murkythreat]

To resurrect an old meme from DA2 "Clown Spawn."

[@zarkrai]

Darkspawns in Origin: Nightmarish monsters that'll haunt the darkest corner of your mind. Darkspawns in Failguard: Goofy looking idiots that even a 5 year old wouldn't find scary.

[@narloth]

You lose your point with this childish "Failguard" thing. Maybe you're the 5yo here

[@zarkrai]

@@narloth I call it Failguard because they did fail at it. They could've stuck with the whole Dreadwolf stuffs they were doing and use this chance of bringing back the stuff that the fans liked but nooooo. They wanted to appeal to the "modern audience" which is the woke audience. Which led to this "Failguard" as I mentioned.

[@markosimunic4770]

@@zarkrai What modern audience? All i see is an empty field.

[@erickchristensen746]

@@narloth He is expressing his disappointment of a price of content. He did nothing childish unlike you who are being the childish one. Grow up

[@jaredfrancis5062]

@@zarkrai they were nightmarish looking from the start but then you find out how they reproduce and it cranks the horror up to 11

[@Sheevlord]

Wait wait wait. Enemy models in Origins look more detailed. Technically they have fewer polygons, and texture resolution is lower, but at a glance they look more defined, for the lack of a better word. In Veilguard enemies look glossy and plasticky, like toys. The fact that the designs are goofier and cartoonier doesn't help either.

[@mdd4296]

They had objectively more details baked into their models: armors add a lot, tons of defined musculature, even their skin of the same region isnt uniformly colored but with tons of wounds, rots, filth... They also show a wider range of emotion funny enough. Veilguard darkspawn looks like brainless smooth play doh in comparison.

[@efuii]

Bear in mind that the DAO in the video it's probably chock-full of mods. The original game is NOT that detailed at all.

[@shaunpearce6846]

Yea, their jaws are loose and floppy they look derpy lol. They look like the "u mad bro?" troll face meme

​@efuii then you haven't played this game.

[@omenpl29]

@@efuii u can look up videos that prove you wrong on this very website, what was even the point?

[@booyahkos2100]

I miss the executions in origins. Killing an ogre for the first and seeing my warden drop the ogre to it’s knees and then jumping onto it to finish off was amazing

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

Veilguard looks like a Disney/Pixar game due to it's character design and tone

[@AB-ez4rm]

And it was managed by the same alphabet mafia pukes that Disney uses too.

[@chitat]

I was going to comment something similar. They look very caricature as though they took design cues from World of Warcraft

[@Blurgamer17]

Even the introduction to Bellara _screams_ Disney Princess.

[@KABLAMMATS]

They are targetting your younglings, gotta be careful, parental advisory is really needed right now

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

Idk man, the horned king in The Black Cauldron looked more intimidating than that gorilla thing in Veilguard, maybe that's an unfair comparison

[@NightBane345]

Probably been said here in comments. DAO origin darkspawn looks like a twisted and legit evil form of what species that're from. Human ones look like they're decaying, as the skin is barely holding together, patchy and broken, with the fangs that if you get too close, they will bite you. And then later take the weapons from your corpse, as well as armour, and make use of it. The dwarven ones look like evil imps, that will jump on your corpse will glee, while tearing off you head and laugh and play football with it. The Ogre actually resembles Qunari's once you've seen their models in DA2, which I feel was the intent for it, to make those two actually resemble one another, because when you had Sten, and knew very little of Qunari how they looked, it made little sense to it. But again, the forms are relatable to one another, and not even going to mention the brood mothers, poor women, always made me feel so sad when you knew how they're made, and what they went through to become what they are. These from Veilguard look like something you'd fight in any modern game, especially in Fortnite, which is such a fcking letdown, and they lost all their horror element, no blood or gore visible, just pale skin, claws and maybe some weird tentacle from their mouth. Whoever was the head of this decision, was not thinking properly on how to honour and continue the amazing work that was made in the previous games

[@Carphil07]

I always thought the darkspawn were more like orcs from lords of the rings than zombies. They are somewhat clever, understand hierarchy, form ranks, use tactics, desecrate corpses to install fear. A true force to be reckoned with. Now they look like mindless generic genshin impact enemies..

[@viniciusqueiroz180]

Darkspawn are dessecrated humans, dwarves and elves and turned into Hurloks and Gemlocks by a Broodmother. Thats what makes them dangerous.

[@TheNemesis432]

To me Darkspawn felt like a mix between demons, orcs and undead.

[@Lelouchxzero1]

Darkspawn normally only show base intelligence with a single minded goal , During a Blight there intellenge is increased ten fold as they start to develop a heirarchy with the Archdemon at the head. Even through with the powers of the blight can't increase their intelligece, so much so that Corephyus didn't even bother and used other methods for his army. Even with the gods they still show no intelligence, in fact just looking at what little there is..wouldn't Rook be screwed? Corephyus manipulated the Grey Wardens, and now we have gods of the blight..and your a grey warden.

[@taddad2641]

@@viniciusqueiroz180 well no. the broodmother births the hurloks, gemlocks, shrieks, and ogres depending on the race they groodmother originalyl was. only reason they take captives is to turn the women into more broodmothers and use the men as food for the broodmother's development.

[@hellothere9167]

​@@viniciusqueiroz180 that's cool af. I wonder if they took inspiration from Tolkien because the orcs were also elves that malkor desecrated

[@deadchivalry1698]

Veilguard looks like an executive saw his kid playing Fortnite and said, "Kids these days like that look. Make it look like that."

[@carbodude5414]

Went from Chaos Warriors to a generic zombie army

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

the original darkspawn were very generic but its not like it mattered

[@mrfrost6211]

​@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 agree to disagree as atleast they had ARMOR and WEAPONS and USED MAGIC

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

@mrfrost6211 and?

[@mrfrost6211]

@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 that your term for generic is sad, as they had history, lore and detail Actually tell me how the broodmothers were generic, do provide and you could have a point

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

@@mrfrost6211 youre bringing up things that have nothing to do with my comment.

[@anzelmasmatutis2500]

Imagine, one upon a time you could control your team.

[@Balinux756]

And actually program their fighting maneuvers!

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@Balinux756 I wish other RTWP games would include that tactics feature. I get that it was a bit complicated and not very intuitive to the average gamer, but if you just took 10 minutes to learn how it worked it was great. It massively cut down on your need to micromanage simple repetitive tasks during combat.

[@Balinux756]

@yewtewbstew547 Yes!

[@torshec8634]

Stylized Fortnite Colors vs Dark Fantasy

[@Tanandrum]

I can understand why you're saying that but calling it Fortnite colours is crazy

[@Tuilelen]

@@Tanandrum That was the first thing I thought of, too. Don't know what to tell ya

[@Quintessence4444]

Man Origins looks even better than i remember it, maybe i should replay it.

[@antonironstag5085]

Still holds up well today, played it a month ago, I forgot how much depth it has

[@ragejinraver]

That's what am gonna do

[@StBrodes]

Definitely. This whole shitfest certainly inspires me to go as far as playing EVERY origin this time around. I only fully played through the game once as a human mage. That'll still be my official storyline, but I may as well play the others too.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

If you mod it, it looks even better. There is a ton of great mods for Origins

[@StBrodes]

@@zhongliimpact6220 One of my favorite mods is a port of those cool Grey Warden armors from DA2. It was kinda weird that Bioware didn't make Warden armors for all classes until AFTER the only game where you played as a Warden.

[@Draighean]

What a downgrade mate. The new team at bioware are completely clueless about the tone and style a Dragon Age game should have.

[@Touffy029]

I don't know if "should" is the word here. They are perfectly allowed to make a different proposition than Origins. The problem is not that it's different, it's that it's generically bad. It would be bad in a non DA game too.

[@Uzarran]

@@Touffy029 It should, since that's what long-time Dragon Age fans expect, and are paying for. That's not to say I have an issue with Bioware making something that's a bit more relaxed in tone. But not with the Dragon Age franchise. It would be better off as something new.

[@_MaZTeR_]

Expect the same for Mass Effect

[@Asturian-vm3sk]

The whole team is a bunch of soy purple haired wokies, I even saw an obvious troonie from their company promoting the game before its release. The awesome team that made DA: Origins no longer work there, nothing but talentless woke hacks remain.

[@eccer]

They are not clueless, they are directed. It all serves to the heads of the company. THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED. That is why they knew exactly who not to give review copies to. Because they knew exactly that they wanted a PC HR narrated friendly childish pixar style of the DAO franchise.

[@Madcat6204]

1:06 Wow, that is the weakest "big thing bursts through a wall" sound I've ever heard. Where's the intimidation? Where's the menace?

[@bryceandriano4032]

Basically Dragon age but with the little kid gloves on and a cartoon filter. Whos idea was this? fire them now.

[@victordavila9812]

Well they replace every member of the team that left after inquisition (the working conditions were atrocious) with people that EA had working on the Sims 4 ...... So yeah this is what happens when you put people from a life simulator to work on dark fantasy game without understanding the task

[@Crazieyboy15]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, lets not raise them to the level of kids gloves. I’ve seen Sofia the First and My Little Pony, and I can say that kids shows get legitimately immersive with their writing. Veilgaurd though? This is just a dumpster fire.

[@TheGrimmCommoner]

​@@victordavila9812 Some of the Inquisition staff are still there, the ones who thought Krem and changing Qunari lore was a good idea. None of the team from DAO and DA2 are there.

[@evakhaan]

​​@@victordavila9812что???? Правда??? это команда симс 4??? Господи, я буквально ощущала этот вайб от симс 4 во время прохождения. Я в шоке, что это не мои догадки, а правда. Это ужас 💀

[@Sivrn-Val]

On one hand, i can understand the story reason for _why_ they look different. On the other i see it as a clear retcon designed to erase Broodmothers from the lore.

[@スフィアマスター]

Yeah Broodmother aren’t marketing friendly on the best of day.

[@mivapusa]

Broodmothers would at least have given some of the DEI-hires some representation

[@rock2k14]

Brood mothers - Some of the Darkest of Fantasy Any Darkspawn in Failguard - Straight out of a Pixar movie. Dragon Age has fallen, there is no if, buts or maybe about it.

[@Enraged_Sandal]

​@@mivapusa dayum apply cold to burned area. So an ice bath XD

[@nunuonroad9969]

@@mivapusahahaha oh man

[@macacogermanicopseudo-suli6758]

The mcu line after they killed the ogre,lol

[@Vain737]

"Well, THAT just happened!"

[@EsteemedReptile]

"Erm, THAT'S gonna leave a mark!"

[@yeahboy172]

Leave a WHAT?​@@EsteemedReptile

[@tristanturiano137]

@@Vain737*background laughter*

[@anthonydecimus8169]

Are we seriouslygoing to act like this is new to dragon age?

[@wingthomaux]

Origins Looks so much better. And it’s not just the art style, the models are better designed.

[@Sp0ntanCombust]

You ended this Ogre's mewing streak.

[@Ketchup_And_Rice]

Veilguard is so bright...and lacks that sepia and messy goodness that Origins had You can tell that Veilgaudy was made with safe-space in mind

[@daisyfinley3434]

You know it's bad when Bellara has to tell the player those things are darkspawn

[@Olter_]

I hate her so much

[@XXveny]

It is info for new players who never played previous games but whatever 😂

[@axcelschwarz4350]

​@@XXvenyI'm sure the few dozen new players appreciate the thought.

[@XXveny]

@axcelschwarz4350 Can you provide the source behind your numbers? 🤔

[@Olter_]

@@XXveny "Source?🤓"

[@InvertedWIng]

I have no idea what was going on in the art designers' heads when they were looking at the Darkspawn in Origins, especially the Ogre, and they said: "We need to change this."

[@KisekiFan]

'There is a logical reason why Darkspawn looks like this in Veilguard and has nothing to do with removing essence of Dark Fantasy cause the 'Modern Audience' deemed it too gory, gruesome or scary' -someone in Bioware

[@davidspearim5552]

When day, forget that dark sponge are just corrupted.Humans elfs dwarves and And other creatures around the landscape they are not zombies

[@roiking2740]

@@davidspearim5552 They are also not as stupid as zombies. They are capable of crafting, blacksmithing and even engineering. They can orginize killer teams and even mass armies. The only reason they have not won any of the blights is because they are directly control by the elven gods trapped under Thadus and each time an archdemon dies they are called back to find another elven god to corrupt. BTW it seems the new writing do not know that archdemons are literally Blight corrupted elven gods. freaking idiots.

[@davidspearim5552]

@@roiking2740 To this day it was never mentioned that the elven gods were the archdemons. Just figured that they were just another group of highly overpowered spirits like the elvin gods Because there are like what seven elvin gods and we are on our fifth blight meaning that we should only be fighting 2 elvin gods

[@davidspearim5552]

@roiking2740 They should just left the Darkspawn out of this game Because the dwarfs Had their own divine Creatures It made perfect sense that Humans had their own divine creatures That preyed on them and that were affected when solace put up the Vail And they are not the elvin gods

[@roiking2740]

@@davidspearim5552 in the story of the dread wolf there are 14 elven gods. Seven of them he seals in the earth and seven in the heavens. So yes by elven lore they are elven gods. Its even mentioned in dragon age origins that the archdemon may look like a dragon but he isn't. As another example flemeth can take the form of a dragon and she is an elven god.

[@EsteemedReptile]

"Ogre! That's an ogre!" Could you say that with any less passion?

[@Elitex62]

Yeah, it feels like she's talking to us and not the group, that she's trying to tell us that sanitized, malnurished thing is the same creature as the first boss of DA:O.

[@Become-Eggplant]

Jesus they look cartoony as hell.

[@UraniumReaperActual]

Yeah I thought the thumbnail ogre was like a joke... I didn't think it was actually the real model in the game

[@kirankumar6361]

So basically they took every aspect of the franchise that made them great and replaced it with mediocrity.

[@AdrianGrave]

and made it gay

[@KnightWitchOfficial]

Cries in Andromeda Why do they hate us?

[@e2rqey]

​@@AdrianGraveand lame

[@calebjones4952]

Makes me glad they forgot about the Architect two games ago.

[@davidspearim5552]

They definitely would ruin his character

[@FaeQueenCory]

Bad news.... Aside from erasing any meaning from the Blight... They also retconned the Hero of Ferelden to always be dead because no Kieran. So the Architect got retconned to be permadead too. Because they "respect" our choices, as per the Busche woman.

[@wardensurana8336]

​​@@FaeQueenCory. That's a lie, they didn't retcon anything. Kieran exists in this world, and the Hero of Ferelden too if you have them in the past games, nothing in Veilguard contradicts that.

[@sol-hunter2332]

​@@wardensurana8336nothing transfers over. Morrigan makes no reference, and yes there are retcons. The secret ending of the game is a giant retcon.

[@Balinux756]

@@wardensurana8336 I'm afraid it's true. They ignored most choices in previous games.

[@Pedro8675309]

Demon designs then: horrifying (as intentended) Demon designs now: yas, queen, slay (why though?)

[@theesper7404]

Maybe it was a decision made by all the women and wanna be women that worked on this game? Wanted something softer and more palatable for themselves. I dunno. Sucks though.

[@EcardEcardian]

I assume they didn't include desire demons into DAV. After all they where big booba deamons in DAO.

[@Pedro8675309]

@EcardEcardian demon as a concept is suppose to be horrifying. Appearences are decieving by design.

[@EcardEcardian]

@@Pedro8675309 Is that not their whole stick? Attractive appearences to trick people. To make deals that only benefits them. Or use fools to get their soul for some reason. Maybe a lunch for their gods or whatever.

[@EcardEcardian]

@@Pedro8675309 Yes, that is their whole stick, being deseptive. That they change their appearences, desire deamons did that well, because they didn't just change their appearences, they changed yours as well, take DAO, you are in the Circle of Magi tower. There is a templar in a room, where a desire deamon has him around her finger, he is under her spell so to speak. Tricking that templar that he is at home with his wife and has children, but he is in a small room where there are nothing but destruction and gore. There are many instances in the older game, where deamons are cunning and smart, tricks people, now they are another mob you attack without substance or personality.

[@theirDevil]

I wonder why they made all the Darkspawn naked and seemingly sexless? Are they trying to move away from the Origins lore and decanonize the fact Darkspawn SA women?

[@DartLuke]

Darkspawn broodmother was a nightmare. I liked it.

[@mullerpotgieter]

Now now, they never raped the females. Just left them to be taken completely by the taint and cannibalize their own dead

[@erikschaeffer8419]

Apparently in story now it's cause a mad God on experimenting on them. Not that they were divine punishment from origins lore. So yeah

[@mullerpotgieter]

@erikschaeffer8419 Just ignore the existence of Corypheous and The Architect...

[@erikschaeffer8419]

@mullerpotgieter yeah it's all a bunch of bullshit. Honestly I was sad at inquisition and now I'm just depressed at what the IP became. I wanted the story of pushing the darkspawn back, trying to save those tainted by the darkspawn, going into the deep roads to clear them out with the dwarves. Yet now we have nothing that matters.

[@datemasamune2904]

I thought Sera was the most annoying elf. Bellara somehow managed to be worse, despite not being as hostile.

[@TRT-uy7vp]

Sera was great wtf

[@datemasamune2904]

@TRT-uy7vp She was many times as annoying and intolerable, making bad jokes that a gaming streamer would.

[@Noxlla]

Right? They’re both annoying in completely different ways. At least Sera knew she was being annoying.

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

I know right?!

[@homesteadlegion4419]

Yes but to be fair Sera was meant to be annoying and a bit weird, she was created as opposition to Solas who is calm, polite, reserved and a bit too distant, Sera is hot headed, weird and annoying but also open minded and friendly with good intentions. That being said i left her in the base as much as possible because her personality is the exact type i cant stand at all 😅😂

[@gamerguy19981]

The worst part is that everyone in the game acts like these Darkspawn are the most terrifying and dangerous creatures ever encountered. Meanwhile, I'm just thinking about how the Darkspawn in Origins created Broodmothers through one of the most horrifying things ever described.

[@carsonnesbit1178]

Yea I played origins when I was perhaps much too young, I remember being thoroughly disturbed when I first heard the rhyme that describes brood mother creation in the deep roads. The game had a lot of consistently dark or creepy moments that I just came to really appreciate, It adds a lot of tension and weight to the story. Everyone’s been talking about origins again since veilguard dropped, makes me want to replay it for what would probably be like the 30th time.

[@gamerguy19981]

@carsonnesbit1178 I'm in the same boat. After I finished Veilguard, I downloaded Orgins just to wash the taste out of my mouth.

[@AAJillSandwich]

I mean they force feed women dark spawn flesh which in turn corrupts them until they cannibalize their own and become brood mothers. Just thinking of it humans in dragon age have committed far worse things especially those who involved themselves in blood magic l.

[@GuiltyHonklerv2]

Ogre!, That's an ogre!

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

"They fly now? THEY FLY NOW!" 😂

[@alienalchemist]

Does she need to say that, I thought they're supposed to be battle hardened warriors who already encountered these type of creatures.

[@Ganom-ng1zt]

He ogered!!

[@BoyDugo02]

Because Ogres are unrecognizable in Veilguard, someone has to remind us that it's an Ogre.

[@adrenjones9301]

It's all ogre now.

[@Oozaru85]

The worst part is: they have wooden statues of the old Ogre design in the Warden fortress in the Wetlands as well as in Taashs room in the lighthouse. Feels like a frickin mockery...

[@thefakecat8340]

Is it weird for me to say they look like monkeys? Maybe its their posture or their wide mouths but i just immediately think "monke"

[@Uzarran]

Oh, they definitely look like someone jammed primate heads on their bodies.

[@s-094cam5]

I literally thought "roided up monkey" looking at the "ogre".

[@freddyaxebear7547]

The concept of the Darkspawn in DA:O was fantastic, a unholy fusion of LotR Orc and zombies. They knew how to craft weapons, they wore armor, they could use magic, they could use basic war tactics, and they had hierarchy. On top of carrying an infectious disease that turns their enemies into their allies for them, and they can mutate into horrible abominations. They stood out as a concrete threat to life itself, that necessitated all hands on deck to solve the problem. Now they're just goofy looking zombies.

[@math2222322]

It still shocked me every time I see a close up of the characters. WHY DO THEY LOOK LIKE THAT?!?! 0:11

[@EsteemedReptile]

Just take a second on that frame and really look at the shape of her head. She's got gigantic cheekbones, a narrow little forehead, and a bulbous chin that is off centre. She's actually sickening to look at.

[@mullerpotgieter]

Their heads are literally too big for their body

[@noobhue1997]

​​@@mullerpotgieteryou'll see that thing and won't even remember they could use the same spells and skills you did in Origins

[@yewtewbstew547]

Her head is so oversized that her ears are almost set as wide apart as her shoulders.

[@solaireofastora5999]

Possible explanation? They get progressively more feral and corrupt as time passes. Actual explanation? Don't know. I say it works better if everything wasn't so sunshine and rainbows

[@Tlevids]

One of the things that made the darkspawn interesting and menacing in Origins was that they appeared quite intelligent - some had the ability to use magical incantations, and we hear and see them making taunts and other threatening gestures. They had real, sadistic, sardonic personalities. In Veilgaurd they are just mindless cartoon zombies, mobile game-esque mobs to be mown down. Also, the Veilguard ogre looks like Captain Qwark from Ratchet and Clank, LOL.

[@MisterS.]

Everything is so colorful and sparkly for literally no reason

[@l-shadow1775]

DAO darkspawn: LOTR creatures DAVG darkspawn: generic creatures

[@cupomescitore]

That's the difference between the work of a group of authors with a vision (Origins) and the work of a group of common workers grown up with social media trends and Marvel-like screenplays

[@DaciValt]

I will never forget my first time playing the Battle of Ostagar, the first time in the game you see what a blight means.

[@seracris8357]

2:21 Well, that just happened...

[@haarisirfansheikh686]

“Well wasnt expecting to fight an ogre today” Dragonage marvelguard

[@blacklightvirus5204]

maan, teh momories of playing the battle of ostagar for the first time, that cinematic is pure epicness

[@KnightWitchOfficial]

Omg watching Caelin get crushed by the Ogre, I was NOT expecting that. I was like oh damn, that idealistic boy just got WRECKED. So... this is gonna be dark. Aaaaand then we get to wake up to the absolute delight that is Flemmeth, and proceed to spend the next 40 hours listening to Allistair and Morrigan bicker. God that game is the best. Good times.

[@Zyzyx442]

The Darkspawn in Dragon Age Origins were so terrifying, at least first playthrough, they seemed unstoppable, like the Dark in Myth The Fallen Lords, in Veilguard they are just neon monkeys.

[@fredericbergeron8840]

neon monkeys 🤣🤣🤣 true

[@Watheverable]

Is this the Fable version of Dragon Age?

[@TheGamingDragon7]

Nah, balverines were way more terrifying than that ogre

[@josephdanejackson]

@@TheGamingDragon7 And the cemetery with undead hordes is still more terrifying, in Fable.

[@Scorecatron]

​@@josephdanejacksonAnd the banshees in Oakvale

[@robertreid5632]

I'd play fable 3 and all its low fps and game breaking get caught in a tree bug over this garbage anyday.

[@carsonnesbit1178]

Woah there buddy, you can’t trash talk fable like that.

[@sophitia_agna]

A game from 2009 is graphically better than its sequel from 2024.

[@KnightWitchOfficial]

A game from 2009 that didn't even have superb graphics for 2009, at that. Writing and story is what made Origins the GOAT. It was a perfect display of why you build the foundation of a good game on a compelling story and characters, with solid dialogue and immersion. The graphics don't matter when you're absorbed by everything else. Good graphics don't make a good game.

[@monkemode2148]

It was really during dragon age 2 where the design for darkspawn really just went down hill they went from the corruption of man being brought out to generic fantasy monsters how sad

[@Jarikraider]

"Well, wasn't expecting to fight an ogre today." *Laugh Track*

[@RedRabbit-ZA]

"That's an ogre!" No it's not.

[@8Sigurd]

Even the characters in the game needed at least some convincing that "it really is darkspawn!" or "That's an ogre! I swear, it is!".

[@aurothelarper]

The bizarre aspect of the original Darkspawn, is that they really look like a twisted and cruelly crafted, yet functional, shadow of the humanoid species you see in the game. In Veilguard, they're just cartoonish generic fantasy undead goons.

[@FloRyu2]

Dragon Age: The Veilguard made me install and play Dragon Age Origins again and with some graphic the game still is a blast

[@soyleduart]

Same! I'm actually playing Inquisition rn thanks to BioWoke (I already played DAO)

[@ordersmilitant5998]

Darkspawn used to be intimidating because of their intelligence and cunning along side their relentless brutality. Dragon Age was a dark fantasy only in DA: Origins

[@TheToonpimp]

Holy shit, Veilguard suck more then I could've ever had imagined.

[@UltimateDeliciousPie]

Bioware has been chasing what is currently popular than creating their own, Veilguard was clearly inspired by "We've watched Arcane and Vox Machina" along with a lot of self insert head canon. Sure Origins wasn't exactly inspired but they (like with Mass Effect 1) developed a deep rich world to get into and for plenty of other stories to be told. Then Bioware went "Na, fuck that." and threw it all out in the name of trying to be awesome and current day'ism.

[@clavo-oxidado]

Такое представление порождений тьмы как в Origins, вероятно, оскобляет чувства порождений тьмы! Ведь их не понял окружающий их мир и не хочет их принять, как хорошо что новые прогрессивные разработчики представили нам новых порождений тьмы, они такие добрые и милые😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@clavo-oxidado]

Сарказм

[@IICraII]

​@@clavo-oxidadoхорошо, что ты сказал про то, что это сарказм. А то я не понял и хотел было уже тебе написать, что да как, но тут увидел, что это был сарказм. Это было так не очевидно, я почти повелся. Умный ты парень.

[@tyfyh622]

вставь сюда урка из нового сериала пластелин колец, который заботится о сынишке

[@tyfyh622]

@@IICraII самые лучшие шутки - это когда говоришь правду. Например, как биовары и проплаченные "игровые журналисты" говорили, какая это прекрасная игра. Прям чем-то на российское тв похоже

[@IICraII]

@@tyfyh622 не российское, а буквально любое* Ты же не думаешь, что где-то на тв говорят правду про себя?

[@colemarvel3988]

Just gonna say it, I have hated EVERY darkspawn design that came after Origins, I wish they would have just run with what they started with.

[@KnightWitchOfficial]

Well, to be fair, they used the same design in DAII. They reused a shitload of assets from it because the dev cycle was INSANE (two years is fucking batshit crazy lol).

[@RevenRadic]

@@KnightWitchOfficial no they didnt. dragon age 2 darkspawn looked like shit. They never looked like Origins

[@nostromofidanza1502]

Damn they look almost as goofy as thr Qunari

[@dukeofdarknessreborn]

That Ostagar cutscene from DAO sends chills through my spine to this day (for me it's the best cutscene in the game). While the Darkspawn in Veilguard made me spit out laughing, as they look like something taken from a kid's game like MediEvil (no hate towards that game). Not only the Darkspawn, but the demons too. Companions have to say out loud what kind of enemies those are, because it has no connection to previous titles. Everything in Veilguard is so sanitized to be safe and not threathening at all. What a shame, and I thought DAO 2 was the worst.

[@Olter_]

Veilguard darkspawn got turned into a generic trash mob enemy from lore perspective and from the way characters react to them. They should be monsters that people fear, not simply get annoyed by. Massive fumbles all around, design, writing, dialogue awful all around

[@jsauce9578]

In veilguard the darkspawn are supposed to be different from the other games because of the gods experimental blight. They began experimenting during the rebellion before being imprisoned by solas. They just picked up where they left off when they were set free in the beginning. That’s why Harding said “this blight feels different, like it’s alive.” They could’ve done better on the design but I see what they were trying to do.

[@luciferverone]

I’m amazed shills and sheep call this a good looking game. Honestly the standard for games has gone down

[@ДобрыйХаосит-х6ф]

1:30 Ha! I remember, playing DAO for the first time and seeing this guy my initial thought was "Is it Archdemon?":)

[@SimonSays288]

Even the darkspawn of DA2 looked better then this. Bioware just seems to dubble down on bad ideas as even back in 2011 they were heavily criticised for making them look goofy.

[@carsonnesbit1178]

I was never a fan of the darkspawn design in DA2 and I somehow hate this new design even more.

[@MisterS.]

It's just a completely different style now, from designs to the color pallet. Some people actually try and deny this somehow

[@sarefgethovich4746]

Darkspawn in 2009: We are the army of evil and we are going to destroy the world! Darkspawn in 2024: We are zombies now...emm...braaaaiiinssss...

[@Dracoryprime]

this whole game looks like a spoof of real dragon age

[@spinnerleex]

The combat makes me feel like I'm playing God of War 2018 but in Fortnite

[@pilotevildude6967]

Didn’t realize the Easter Bunny was in this game

[@leqeque7383]

The darkspawn were maddened and corrupted humanoid races corrupted by SOMETHING, supposedly resident God, that made them so threatening And now they are just a stepping stone in a trans-story about trans characters and their trans feelings. Well, i hope modders come up with a veilguard mod in origins cutting out all the bs

[@mullerpotgieter]

Mate, this is as wishful as thinking modders could fix starfield. You need people to WANT to put in that effort

[@leqeque7383]

@mullerpotgieter i know right, let me lie to myself mate. I know all too well the franchise is dead

[@Frontline_view_kaiser]

The only modding you can do to fix this is to delete veilguard and install DA:O

[@davidspearim5552]

And now they look like Fortnite.Attempts to create resident evil zombies

[@Delimon007]

@@mullerpotgieter This. I've modded a few games but this would require me to actually BUY this game and play it first. Do you think I'm actually goin to do that?!?!?

[@wildfree1409]

I remember being somehow terrified of the darkspawn,their blood could kill,they looked corpse-like,sickening,yet intelligent on some level

[@joshuagraham2843]

They look goofy as hell

[@Discovery2024-rn8kn]

The one hit kill in the beginning...like smashing a wet sheet of toilet paper. That's supposed to be scary

[@Marci-Ana-GMM]

Origins 🗿 Veilguard; COD zombies meet fortnite

[@kronksstronkstonks6360]

My heart sank when those were revealed to be Darkspawn. Gee thanks modern Bioware, I love my generic grey beast humanoid with claws and glowing red eyes. Im so glad thats more creative than human/dwarf sized orc/demon hybrid looking creatures with rust-coloured full plate and sharp, vicious looking weaponry - mayhap even some robed spellcasters amidst their ranks to propagate the idea that they're a dark mirror of the races they attempt to destroy with a sinister intelligence behind their bestial appearance. I'm so glad we get Bioware Husks in Dragon age. Some Destiny's The Fallen. Some Gears of War Wretches. The humanoid with claws enemy type is so innovative of you.

[@semit2]

This hack and slash combat sucks. In Origins even the most trivial fights required you to pause, formulate a strategy and use your team's abilities carefully. Now it's just "let me solo everyone" type of combat.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

yeah because the characters were not a bunch of marvel heroes. Any combat had the possibility to turn badly so you had to think before jumping in a fight.

[@semit2]

​@@zhongliimpact6220 yeah you know you fcked up when players start playing on easy, not bc the game is hard, but bc of how boring it gets😂

[@piranhapout]

DA:O Darkspawn were amazing, actually scary to look at. In DA 2, they reminded me of the Putties from Power Rangers. Failguard looks like it took inspiration from Pixar's Coco. 😂

[@Goremejy]

Dragon age stopped after the first game imo. Everything went downhill after it

[@noblewolfe891]

Y'know. Darkspawn had started having a society in the Origins dlc.

[@The0sidewinder]

Darkspawn smile in origins is like C:

[@rafaelkresmar3998]

BioWare used to be the trendsetter creating Baldurs Gate, NeverWinter, Mass Effect, all these Iconic games and looks... and now they go from Grim Dark Fantasy to Cartoonish Happy Tree Friends look just like Blizzard did with their WarCraft and Diablo games... going into that WoW style of Cartoon Violence...

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

How the shit insane they could think dragon age's 1 darkspawn was a mistake and need to be rebuild... Its beyond insanity... We are so low now, that even dark spawns of DA2 look better =/

[@H41030v3rki110ny0u]

mann idk these are bad but da2's were soooo bad too... dragon age 2 darkspawn also had the extra effect of being very disappointing.. the sequel to the beloved origins, and we got discount mortal kombat characters & power rangers as darkspawn??? this game at least didnt have expectations of being a sequel to origins

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

@H41030v3rki110ny0u I know. But they at least have wear armor and at least behaved like a horde. Not like a mewing zombies, bruh...

[@Kaiodenic]

@@YaMaTo999Vir hm wasn't it a pretty big part of DAO lore that the darkspawn organising working together only really happens during a blight when an archdemon controls them?

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

@@Kaiodenic Not sure. I dont remember it. But does it even matter in topic case? They are not degraded into red zombies either. Or in DA2 they worked nicely together.

[@H41030v3rki110ny0u]

@@YaMaTo999Vir idk, perhaps. there is nothing in the gaming world that disappointed me more than DA2 so i am more bias than most people. note, i think it's a decent game... but such a disappointing game after being obsessed with Origins.

[@KnightWitchOfficial]

Remember the Broodmothers? Peppridge farm remembers. Peppridge farm can't fucking unsee that nightmare fuel.

[@samwiseb2799]

Oh god, they look terrible. Like gods damnit BioWare, you had interesting conceits in veilguard (titans being the source of the blight, Elven gods being cruel and spirits) and ya fucked that up. I still prefer Origins in terms of story (Loghain is a much much better villian than Elder Gone)

[@amorencinteroph3428]

Man, just seeing DA:O first ogre fight is making me want to replay it. I loved how gritty and tactical focused DA:O's combat was, nothing has ever really scratched that itch as well sense. The tactics system allowing you to better customize your AI as you went eventually allowed you to make them play themselves was also quite rewarding.

[@TheBoarKing1]

it looks like something you'd fight in MediEvil, not Dragon Age

[@jon6car]

You cut that origin clip with the darkspawn too quick. I know you were only trying to display darkspawn models but having that one guy take a step back while the other holds him in place really helps sell the danger and fear. Great vid by the way

[@fredericbergeron8840]

That's exactly why I'm going to keep playing DAO for another 10 years; and why I wouldn't dare hack Veilgard.

[@SantaS_26]

Previously, darkspawn looked like twisted versions of other creatures, alive but corrupted (as stated in the lore) and only the archdemon was actually full-fledged undead. In Veilgard, all darkspawn look like cartoon undead, judging by the cutscenes they tried to make them menacing, but they are laughably sterile in design.

[@BULL0099887564]

I mean when i look at these monsters it just looks like something from saturday morning cartoon for 8 year olds

[@wildfree1409]

Okay,I totally forgot about these badass kill animations in Origins

[@nizemee729]

DA Origin is a game that was made for gamers, Veilguard is a game made for kids.

[@roiking2740]

It wasn't made for kids... it was made by adult children for adult children. There is a huge difference, Kids deserve much better.

[@EcardEcardian]

Darkspawn in DAO was an organised military force. Used tactics and weapons, magic. Where a real threat, if it was not for the wardans intervention, they will have won. DAV they look like an rabid animals. What happend?