Deaths in Fighting Games mean NOTHING

[@dcpress98]

the craziest things that they retroactively made tekken 7's story even worse than it already was

[@RTU130]

Yep

[@shawklan27]

All that bullshit was for nothing. Default is the worse mainline tekken for real

[@absolutezero7373]

The only point of t7 was to make akuma canon, which is weird as fuck

[@mantraki]

And it also makes Tekken history moving forward worse, cuz now we know that they can bring back whoever they want, heck, bring back azazel for a third time at this point, make it so Akuma the first it's now alive cuz it doesn't matter

[@jacksuwanpradit6992]

@@absolutezero7373i never understood what kinda relationship Akuma had with Kazumi. But seemed like he owed her something lol

[@BrehonnaFranklin-m8r]

People seem to think just throwing Heihachi back into the STORY is no big deal. He should be back as DLC as a non-canon character (people forget he really wasn't apart of T5 but he was still playable). The story of T7 built up to him giving his all to try and stop Kazuya and why he was trying to kill him and it ended with him dying. It was the only good part of that game. They had that sad song at the end. Kaz got his just due revenge. Reina's existence has substance with Heihachi dead. Now what? His story arc is done, what more can you do with him? May as well bring back Jinpachi and Kazumi at this point.

[@najadamu2724]

"May as well being back Jinpachi and Kazumi at this point." Don't give them ideas LOL

[@KSmanderes]

Bring back Dr. Boskonovich too

[@budgiecat9039]

Some people are saying the final DLC character is Kazumi

[@BrehonnaFranklin-m8r]

@@budgiecat9039 Wouldn't be surprised at all, I expect Ogre to come back too since he was in a flashback in the game. Beacause why not?😑

[@tilting_cat3344]

bring back akuma too for shit and giggling air fireball

[@saintbutters3684]

Keep in mind Kazuya actually died for 20 years and actually skipped a whole ass game, heihachi looks like he just got out that dollar store VOLCANO and still in every game. Bison at least missed all of sf3. Kaz was done so dirty his biggest accomplishment is now jack 💀

[@rushalias8511]

Also 3rd dlc...like I'd give them credit if heihachi came back like a year after the game release or maybe sometime in the future like the last dlc or near last but 3rd dlc just felt too soon

[@mrego886]

​@@rushalias8511they had big competition since Street Fighter brought back Bison and Akuma. Tekken's last two dlc were flop. No one played Eddy and no one even cares for Lidia.

[@Raytheman581]

@@mrego886 Bro this stuff is decided far in advance, they didn't look at sf6 and say oh they added bison lets add heihachi, that's not how this works lol. Also what do you mean no one played eddy?Do you not actually look at the player data that namco themselves release? And lidia was one of the most used DLCs in T7, she'll most likely be again as well. Get your facts straight at least please.

[@nehemiahpouncey3607]

He missed Tekken 3 then returned In Tekken tag.(Don't count cause It was in the middle of 2 an.3). Then returned in 4.

[@saintbutters3684]

@@nehemiahpouncey3607 20 years is the timeline from t2 to t3

[@C.R.Cole331]

What was the point of the previous game's story? We got a 3 hour Heihachi send off that shafted the rest of the cast into character episodes resulting in him not even being dead one game later. What’s the point of Reina now? What will she avenge? Heihachi’s non-death? Or was it just to introduce a new Devil Gene user?

[@aaronatkinson177]

Pretty much a way to introduce a new devil gene user to the bloodline

[@mayuzoomy2237]

That's what I'm saying!

[@jestyo0o]

that was planned from the beginning, Reina wasn't meant to avenge anything, she herself was a devil gene user, if the Devs did actually want us to believe that they'd make her not a devil gene user instead

[@MagillanicaLouM]

The thing that bothers me about it is folks coming in droves to act like anybody with any investment in the actual stories of a fighting game series is a loon that's doing it wrong. Fgc tries to gaslight you thinking you should only care about how labbing BnB's and learning frame data, and daring to get invested in anything beyond how cool the character looks is head scratching to them. Because how dare you give a damn about the aspects of these games the devs also (ideally) put time and effort in like writing reasons and backstories for why these cool designs fight, their interactions with others, the worlds they live in and conflicts they face? When they put that effort in and present it seriously, why would you, as a fan, dare take it seriously? Saw someone say earlier it's like the controversial "functions" quote but repackaged. They don't give af about the actual character of the characters or the narrative. They just want their favorite function back. Time and time again i see a lot of the fgc lowkey prove that quote true. It's why I separate them from folks that are simply fighting game fans, the mentality on certain things keeps them from truly meshing well together.

[@cosmicspider2]

The kicker is that these are the same people who value less than half of the product.

[@neonthunder3261]

I've had this problem as well tbh. I am very invested in fighting game stories and find the worlds around them to be super cool, but it feels like I'm somehow an alien or an outcast for thinking so. It'd be really nice if we got rid of this stigma. Better yet, you can kill a character off, put them in the next game, and just have it be non-canon it really wasn't that hard.

[@onceuponagamemaster1588]

I agree with your comment so much I almost wanna screenshot it and put it on my twitter account. I can't upvote you enough. You're 110% correct. It's really just a bias on their end which in all honestly? Is _fine._ If they don't care about lore, they're more than welcome to be entitled to do so. And I know a LOT of people in FGC are super focused on gameplay, functions and wether or not the system is competitively viable. They're supposed to be. But I get sick of this attitude they toss around like you're supposed to be here for the same reason as them. If I wanted Rock 'em sock 'em Robots with porn-quality plot backdrop, I'd go cut on any one of the obscure 90's arcade fighters that REALLY didn't take shit seriously. I'm not looking for that out of my *2023/2024 Fighting Game* that has _a story mode_ , sometimes _tie-in comics_ , sometimes *_a whole animated series._* And this is not even mentioning a whole culture of Lore Fans and _Theorists_ that make whole channels dedicated to these things. They need to wake up and understand that their side of the fandom is not all there is.

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

The Tekken Fandom is the worse

[@simonjeremy1776]

You're acting like fighting games are just single player games

[@TheBlackOtaku]

Death in fighting game characters are like Death in comic books characters,no matter how many times DC & Marvel kill off there characters they just keep coming back 😑

[@thetruej7872]

Yeah pretty much. That's a good comparison.

[@unkgeta]

Same with anime like with dragon Ball super Frieza gets killed then comes back then gets killed again then comes back again then it's like doesn't matter

[@marche800]

Unless you're Uncle Ben or the Waynes

[@gokublack3107]

It's just a video game,who TF cares...at least the fans of the character are satisfy like my self 😎

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

@@gokublack3107 You're part of the Problem. You're the example of: Don't ask question, Just consume product and be excited for next product.

[@DoubleO88]

I don't understand why they can't just be "guest" characters? They can still be dead in the lore but if people love the gameplay they can put them in the game. Negan was a guest character, he didn't need to be "part of the story".

[@Ticketman99]

Before T7, Negan was never a Tekken character. Same with Geese. Should be the same with Akuma, but Akuma's part of the story lol

[@LandofBrickForests]

I agree. They pretty much just made SFV and T7's stories a complete waste of time. Namco was building the kazuya vs heihachi conclusion up- making the trailers give the fans a sense of an "The end of an era" emotion/vibe. And again, now that whole plot doesn't hold any weight. Same with SFV.

[@bcraig1709]

Never thought Heihachi, or Bison died, they're the embodiment of evil. Bison became energy I thought and Heiahchi whole family been revived by devil gene, think he wouldn't revive also? The problem is the writing didn't support it and they knew those characters would be there and didn't write it well. I would like the story modes to stay consistent, unlike arcade endings, but I always welcome OG characters back👌

[@bandawin18]

I really liked T8's story cuz it truly felt like they were finally moving on and doing something other than having Kaz and Heihachi throw each other off of cliffs. We don't even know what happens to Kaz at the end of T8 and there's no devil gene in them anymore. So to bring back heihachi was just really confusing and doesn't make any logical sense for the story but it's silly of us to expect anything in Tekken to be logical in fhe first place 🗿

[@LandofBrickForests]

@@bcraig1709 Yeah, when tekken 7's story was being marketed as the end, it made me feel like it wouldn't be the same seeing heihachi completely gone from the series.

[@LandofBrickForests]

@@bandawin18 Yeah, it wasn't a good idea to push that tekken 7 story as the conclusion being that heihachi's return was already the plan. Namco could've taken different route.

[@bcraig1709]

@@bandawin18 ikr, but I knew they weren't dead, Heihachi is due a resurrection like everyone else lol. I admit though, they should have written the story better to include the comebacks. Bison is easy, just say he lost his memory from becoming pure energy. Characters always matter in a fighting game, so they never really stay dead 🤣😁

[@sigurdtayoro3199]

"completely dead" my ass

[@blackbeargamer2052]

Heihachi Mishima is completely dead

[@NargiKyrad]

It's not as much selling out, but chickening out of actually expanding their universe beyond their main villains

[@royasturias1784]

Story arc stagnation Character laundering, and I can recall the term from someone's video I've watched a couple of weeks ago

[@tonyknighton4019]

That's Eastern culture for you. Yes other cultures do it too but I would say the east is the most notorious.

[@Mal-go5dl]

It's still selling out cause they're DLC

[@Impalingthorn]

Here's my problem: Bison made sense. Bison's ENTIRE schtick is that he won't die because he endlessly possesses and swaps bodies. He is like trying to kill a ghost. That, and the World Tour mode hinted at his return from the very beginning as JP pretty much assured us he was just holding onto money and affairs for someone else in the meantime and a lot of the subtle mentions now retroactively make more sense. Likewise, they are pretty much outright stating Balrog and Vega will be returning as well. Street Fighter has been up front about these things and, at the very least, Bison appears to be heading in a different direction than his usual self this time. Still, I think reducing him to the role of a horrific nightmare entity, ghost or some other would have been much cooler; like Oni's alternate skin in SF4 that had him cracked up and broken as his Hadou seeped out of his body, but with Bison. Heihachi on the other hand is unforgivable. Yeah, his schtick was also being "invincible" and hard to kill... But they focused SO MUCH marketing on the fact that he was now dead and that the "Mishima Saga is over". This feels incredibly shoehorned and cheap, not to mention the timing of Bison makes it feel like they were just riding his coattails. Heihachi SHOULD have been reduced to the role of Jinpachi and returned as a "what if" scenario like Robo Heihachi or Nightmare Heihachi. But no, they went with the laziest, most low effort route of just having him re-alive himself. How? Doesn't matter. Why? Doesn't matter. He's back again and the entire narrative weight of Tekken 7's already bad story is even worse now. And Tekken 8's story? Jesus... Nothing has changed. Heihachi is still alive, Kazuya is still alive, nothing has actually changed in the family... No, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. That's the entire problem here. Team Tekken effectively wrote two stories in a row that were supposed to be engaging and have serious narrative weight but they have removed any and all risk factors. Death means nothing. At this point, Jinpachi might as well just magic himself back to life. At this point, make Ogre a main roster member, he'll be aight. Why not bring back Kazumi? I'm sure her neck can just unsnap itself. These are the problems with create doing this crap, and even worse is that all three of these characters are prime examples of the "what if" scenario I mentioned before; Jinpachi came back in Tekken Tag 2 and Ogre has repeatedly appeared in other material while Kazumi was dead during the entirety of Tekken 8. None of this had to happen the way it did.

[@najadamu2724]

Also, it makes more sense that someone like Kazuya or Jin can come back from the dead, because of their Devil Gene. But previous games went out of their way to confirm that Heihachi doesn't have the Devil Gene and, despite his efforts, never succeeded in acquiring one... unless Tekken 8 is retconning that too. Which would only end up making Heihachi not as special as he once was - that is, being a human who can fight toe-to-toe with the Devils. If he has the Devil Gene now, then he's just another evil Mishima.

[@Fundleduds]

That's a very interesting way to put it. Unfortunately, I can't read.

[@maninredhelm]

A dead fighting game character needs to take at least one damn game off before returning. King of Fighters kept characters dead for 20+ real world years, and even though they recently returned, those deaths were still meaningful because of the amount of time they were gone and the uncertainty of whether they'd ever return. Skipping just 1 game isn't much to ask.

[@malcovich_games]

Tehcnically, Bison did skip a game (or three), it's SF3...

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Or they could just have them in the game because the character has a moveset and playstyle people like. I would guess that's far more important than arbitrarily removing a character for 20+ years. The story can be separate from the actual roster.

[@bloodbane93]

Skipping a game meant ALOT less back in the day because dev time was much much faster. At most you’d go a couple years without a character. Nowadays with fighting games we’re talking about games that last 5, 6 even almost 10 years. Tekken 8’s story is done, Jin and Kaz had their moment. What happens in the multi now should not be beholden to that imo.

[@trellwhitehurst6670]

@@malcovich_games to add on to that, it applies to Sagat as well since he was the boss of Street Fighter 1

[@trellwhitehurst6670]

@@maninredhelm was you not around for the Street Fighter 3 series? I mean I know a lot of people didn't fuck with them initially but still.

[@The13thElysium]

Its funny that it took Jun over 5 games to return to the canon after she apparently "Died" but they can't even kill Heihachi off for one game! I kinda expected him to be playable in T8, but making him alive again makes most of Tekken 7's story pretty pointless lmao

[@zerofudou5689]

She never died. The Tekken 3 manual literally had her listed as missing. Not once has it been confirmed by Harada that Jun was dead. Her being dead was strictly head canon by fans due to Jin's nightmare sequence in Tekken 3 arcade intro.

[@JunKazamaFan]

Well, you see... Jun is a woman, an older woman, and older women are icky and unwanted in the minds of fighting game developers.

[@budgiecat9039]

​@@JunKazamaFanexcept Power Instinct developers 😂

[@budgiecat9039]

​@@zerofudou5689so why didn't they even bring her back. Why did it take 27 years. Lol she was dead Just like Leo is female

[@PortugueseMACPOW]

Because women age like milk. But Men age like wine.​@@JunKazamaFan

[@azuresaiyan9005]

A character in a fighting game is only truly killed off if they are unpopular. For example, I definitely think Gen and Wang are dead and never coming back because they aren’t popular. With that said, you got to give SNK some degree of props because they struck the perfect middle ground with Geese. He has been dead ever since Real Bout and hasn’t shown up in the Fatal Fury canon since. Sure he shows up in other stuff but in the canon? Nope.

[@falconeshield]

Never say never. They might be tempted to make Cyborg Geese

[@Thomazbr]

@@falconeshield Nightmare Geese is already a thing and will 100% be in the new Fatal Fury. If he's DLC or included in the launch roster that's another question, but I will be very surprised if Geese doesn't end up playable.

[@AlphaProto]

@@Thomazbr Nightmare Geese was always a good compromise.

[@najadamu2724]

Gen's unpopular? That's news to me. But, honestly, I don't think they even fully ruled out Wang being dead (if Tag Tournament 2 is anything to go by).

[@Thomazbr]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Everyone is back in KOF15. SNK actually went their way to revive everyone because they know people love the Orochi team that it's better to just have them back to life than just bring them to dream matches game. So every character who has died in a previous KOF game is back.

[@christhechilled]

Saying a character is dead but bring him back anyway is shitty marketing. Point blank period!

[@thruerius]

I guess it worked lol

[@gokublack3107]

@@christhechilled stfu ...at least the fans are HAPPY so stay mad lol

[@mohabalserafe3795]

It's not shitty if it worked which it did

[@waynemd7804]

as long as it's my main for the game, idc! Heihachi will rule em all

[@salha60ify]

They kill characters in the story’s to add impact to the story and make it memorable but they comeback to be playable You feel like 2 different teams choose the characters to be added and the people who make the story

[@Guccibear100]

I main Bison in most games he's in, so I'm happy, but I think a great way to do it is like you said. Maybe have "dead" characters come back in the final season as a guest or as suggested a "nightmare" Have a little dream intro or something.

[@Guccibear100]

Also, they Did Seth well, completely new body, and the original was a costume.

[@thetruej7872]

Or as a clone

[@jaysilva5854]

When I heard today Heihaichi coming back all I thought was, that was quick! They didn't even make fans miss him.

[@budgiecat9039]

That's the greed and Harada favoritism

[@HeyMomonia]

​@@budgiecat9039Watch ganryu coming back again with the lowest player rate lmao

[@Lexicon865]

Interview with IGN cites that the reason why they brought Heihachi back is because they did see some fans miss him but like man some of these "staple" FG characters do not need to be staples. SF also has this problem with World Warriors such as Sim, Honda, Gief and Blanka

[@budgiecat9039]

@@Lexicon865 held back for DLC. Greed.

[@Lexicon865]

@@budgiecat9039 Not even greed, just a lack of commitment because they planned to have Heihachi gone for good but less than one game they went "I miss him, let's bring him back"

[@Sjono]

The issue with killing off major central characters may be a gameplay thing. Many FGC fans may not be a fan of the story but love playing the character, so they may agitated their favorite character got cut. Just a theory

[@budgiecat9039]

Lmao no it's greed by developers. Plain and simple. That's why they hold em back for DLC

[@irregulargamer1352]

Yeah but you can still keep characters dead like him being playable as a what if story or a ghost/memory that people can fight. Dont just flat out revive him

[@rayneishalowe3739]

I always hated it when people say "it's just a fighting game! the story doesn't matter!" All you do in first-person shooters is pick up a gun, aim that gun, crouch, Crouch lower, throw grenades and kill targets. Yet one of my favorite story campaigns is from Call of Duty Black Ops 1. The last good one they did in a very long time other than Black Ops 2. I barely played Halo and my childhood yet I know a lot about the Lore, because there's so much of it the people actually write novels about it. And people always give games like BlazBlue and Guilty Gear crap for having dense backstories and lore. But I love those games for that, because at least they made an effort with their story. At least they cared!😅 but I'm a casual player of fighting games so I'm not the intended audience, I guess...

[@NeoKokoro20]

Keep in mind that we literally hear Heihachi's heart stopping in Tekken 7. He was already dead before Kazuya even threw him into the volcano. So, I'm curious to see how they'll explain this.

[@ghost_kinggamer]

Enchantment using a live person as a human host

[@Takejiro24]

Heihachi is just that guy ☠️

[@nehemiahpouncey3607]

Kazuya spittake.😂

[@robertrubas2634]

he resurrects, it's written in the trailer and reina keeps talking about something coming, in addition you see a blood moon in the sky. She's certainly looking to resurrect him with the monks. (-theory here, i think they will use the devil gene to. the devil gene is always seen as giving immortality, and it's clearly depicted when jin HAS to remove it from kazuya in order to kill him, he could not otherwiese. So, heiachi becoming a demon is likely prophesized there in the murals of the trailer and the main story, which show one with the thunder god aesthetic, which is often connected to heiachi in outfits.) (I also think the devil gene will overtake him, making him a pseudo-zombie or at least mad. Heiachi was against the gene so he would be against reina too. If they want him to side with Reina they must also change his thoughts.)

[@President_Shin]

@@robertrubas2634 basically shit writing. Story mode is pointless, why would anyone care to follow the storyline.

[@marveler8994]

The death and immediate resurrection of bison does bother me a bit, but what gets Mr us how they want the story to be yet another repeat of shadaloo is back and we gotta stop bison. The games the first sequel to sf3 yet they can't move on past 2

[@neonthunder3261]

This, literally this. They billed it so hard as "a new era" and that it was finally moving past three... Only to give us SF2 with some new bells and whistles and a story mode I've heard mixed thoughts over. I'm just so sorely disappointed.

[@najadamu2724]

@@neonthunder3261 Capcom want everyone to just forget about SF3... well, aside from the waifus.

[@DevilRaptorB]

Deaths in Fighting Games mean NOTHING unless your a female character where she can be killed or replaced by a younger female (ya looking at you Kunimitsu)

[@Nparalelo]

At least guilty gear had Bedman change to Bedman? The character is dead. Totally dead. The playable character is just his armor protecting his sister he left behind. But the character itself remains dead, even his theme reflects that.

[@DevilRaptorB]

@@Nparalelo that's not a female character thought

[@Nparalelo]

@@DevilRaptorB no, of course not. I meant about death in general.

[@AlphaProto]

Yep, they don't care about death. Even Goken got restricted, and his death was motivation for Ryu and Ken. In the end people want their characters back so they can play them more than sticking with a narrative point. Bison wasn't shown dead in SFV. Just cracking with power. There was no body. Also timeline wise Bison was out one game (Street Fighter III).

[@Mr.Kef_art]

Gouken could have been justified with a flashback so he was playable. But they had to bring him to present time for some reason 🥲

[@malcovich_games]

I still need a Gouken function right now. Really enjoyed his moveset back then and I hope they bring him or another "successor" character (y'know, like Lily) into the game.

[@budgiecat9039]

Nobody was sending death threats, rants, thoughts and prayers or screaming for Heihachi and Bison. This was the developers decision not the fans A decision based on greed.

[@anthonyduran7553]

A redundancy that yes fighting games improve in game play and graphics and not stories. Extremely tiresome with endless sequels that always focus on that reoccurring villain who never dies. This removes potential of characters development and story [progression that needs to happen going forward. Lazy, greedy, and shitting writing decisions. Fighting games are garbage at this point , not sorry.

[@HeyMomonia]

And they don't even need to kill off those villains anyway They could work a story around it With a bigger threat or a conflict between the villains' factions (like a conflict between jp and bison or urien and bison for exemple) But it's like they want the emptional stories without actually going full on with it I'm not bad at it tbh because most of my favorite characters are villains that people wanna see dead (bison, rugal, urien, shao khan, kazuya, heihachi etc) so i'm happy i can still play as them But as he said in the video the story doesn't need to revolve around them entirely

[@phillipblanc4846]

I too, am disappointed with the return Heihachi. Reina was a great replacement character, and it was even one of those rare instances where replacing a male with a female wasn’t met with complete derision. That said, fighting games are better than they’ve ever been. Ever.

[@seasonembrace3624]

My guess is that the developers are too chicken to fully kill off there major antagonists or characters is because there afraid of the backlash they will get from fans who don't care for the story and just want to play as them at least that's what i'm guessing. To some extent It reminds me of the MK fans who sent death threats to Ed Boon & NRS if Mileena is absent before MK 11 was released despite being in the other 2 NRS MK entries 9 & X.

[@holdthetruthhostage]

I don't mind dead characters being playable because its a video game but returning them into the story make no sense and more of these games feel life less as the stakes are gone

[@Xen6091]

Only time death ever mattered was in a fighting game was in MK deadly alliance when they actually had the balls to kill off liu kang and it had long lasting consequences till the timeline eventually got rebooted but it was still nice they killed off the main character of their own series and it had impact at the time. Zombie liu kang was really cool too

[@Mr.Kef_art]

I remember seeing zombie liu kang for the first time in the intro to armaggeddon and just feeling a sense of "this is so cool and so sad at the same time"

[@chefvideogame]

Bison’s return in SF6 kinda sucked because not only did it make things like Nash’s sacrifice pointless, but they also moved a lot of the story away from JP to focus on Bison. If he was like a Season 5 dlc or something, it would’ve been better. Why make Bison a reoccurring villain like Bowser is to Mario, but then you introduce other villains knowing damn well that you’re just gonna put in the old villain again? MK characters in the Netherrealm games don’t really leave that much of an impact on me in terms of death because they’re always doing reboots/alternate timelines with these characters, so nothing really lasts.

[@howdoknow]

Bison > Jp

[@Honestlynothingelse]

The mk nowadays..because they'll reboot anyway if the story was not that good, also they're a little too reliant on the classic mk 1, 2 and umk3 roster characters while barely trying anything new.

[@chefvideogame]

@@howdoknowI’m not saying that JP is better than Bison or vice versa. My point is why make JP and set him up as the next big bad, but then you make the story revolve around Bison again anyway?

[@chefvideogame]

@@HonestlynothingelseIt doesn’t help with the fact that they’re partnered with Warner Brothers who’s doing the exact same thing with DC. MK1 could’ve been an interesting reboot for the series, but they threw in the multiverse shenanigans cause they just HAD to.

[@Honestlynothingelse]

@@chefvideogame which made me not get mk1 once i saw a little clip of the ending, especially the lack of single player content..which got topped by tekken 8 and street fighter 6...i blame the person who made kronika.

[@Ninja07Keaton]

I like how ASW did it with Kliff and Justice in Guilty Gear. They simply made them gaiden characters. Their stories in Accent Core were a prequel story(Kliff), and an abridged retelling of the first game(Justice). Why can't more devs simply just do that? It's so easy to get around this issue.

[@neonthunder3261]

KOFXV made some of the revived villains non-canon, and Nightmare Geese has always been non-canon

[@RTU130]

Right

[@Ninja07Keaton]

@@neonthunder3261 Not exactly. KOF XV established the multiverse. The "revived" characters aren't actually revived, they're versions of the characters that experienced similar events, but didn't die. Geese is alive in KOF because Real Bout never happened in that reality. Fatal Fury 1&2 happen, which lead into '94, and that is where the events diverge.

[@Ninja07Keaton]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 It's in the Team edit ending...Why has no one played through this ending? Heidern outright states that it's a multiverse. The reason why Elisabeth remembers Ash when no one else does is because she's integral to Ash's history in most of the timelines. Duo Lon and Shen Woo eventually remember Ash for the same reason, because they always team up with Ash in every reality with 2003's events. A youtuber by NeogeoNow has a video that explains all of this, and even has the team edit ending itself on his channel. It's not even something that's especially new either. It was shown in KOF XIV that Nakoruru can not only freely transcend time, but also space. She can come and go to different worlds at will and take whomever she wishes with her. I'm aware that fans have theorized the multiverse theory for years. XV merely established it, and by establish, I mean confirmed, verified beyond any doubt as canon.

[@ShinmegamiPersona]

People want justice and kliff back, dead or not.

[@Korosivv]

If I ever make a fighting game, from the start I had this idea of dead characters returning as "Memory of [CHARACTER]" so that canonically, they are dead, but people still have their main. My favorite character death in fighting games was Zato because his puppet Eddie controlled his body in +R

[@neonthunder3261]

OK SO WE'RE FINALLY GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS. THIS SHIT PISSES ME OFF SO FUCKING MUCH

[@YaGirlGumption]

Boo hoo

[@Dragoncam13]

​@@YaGirlGumptiontouch grass

[@travelerwatanabe]

I felt like the only one who wanted Heihachi to stay dead. Glad I am not. Harada was outright lying to us and bringing back a character whose story got repetitive long ago and had concluded.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

worngf if you think has stor si then your to lazy to think if my mroe need try harder

[@travelerwatanabe]

@@ssjgotenks2009 I'm going to commit. On my second channel, TravelerOFT, I'm making a series of videos dedicated to Tekken's story. This heihachi situation has convinced me.

[@Lexicon865]

Technically less of a lie since this was planned later, but more of a lack of committment cuz like man T7's story means nothing now

[@travelerwatanabe]

@Lexicon865 definitely making some Tekken documentary videos about the Tekken story on my other channel, TravelerOFT... cuz this Heihachi situation angers me but like, I wanna talk about the story more. Alot more.

[@Flungz_99]

Tekken 3,4, and 5 did things right. 4 at least has a reason to bring Kazuya back and his resurrection went somewhere. Now it’s like bro don’t bother killing them off.

[@najadamu2724]

Like Capcom have PTSD from SF3 financially underperforming, I guess Namco have PTSD from Kazuya fans potentially complaining that he wasn't in Tekken 3.

[@NinjaGateStudios]

The Bison reveal was given groundwork in the '90s. In Street Fighter Alpha/Zero it was revealed that Bison made backup bodies and clones for him to jump into. Bison has a built-in reason to keep coming back. Heihachi on the other hand...

[@mbras9176]

I dont mind the character returning just as a playable character as long he has no impact on history, or only be used in flashbacks. Plain resurrecting them makes their deaths pointless and the story pointless. For example jin and kaz lost their devil powers in the story mode. But now its pretty clear that means nothing and they will get their powers back somehow

[@ashkorew5405]

Azazel's brother will make an appearance lol.

[@bekimmehmedi2905]

I dont understand why these companies just dont bring back Spector's or ghost of these charcaters. It'd hit a lot harder if the entire cast had sime sort of PTSD type of hallucinations of these big bads imo.

[@dddaaa6965]

no it wouldn't because that's what they did with Ed in sf5 and it was sooooooo lame

[@bekimmehmedi2905]

@@dddaaa6965 It depends on how it's done tbh, SNK has been doing nightmare geese successfully for a while now.

[@Ergeniz]

@@bekimmehmedi2905 That's not Nightmare Geese, he only shows up in the MIRA series. Geese is alive in KOF, which is a different continuity than both AOF, FF and MIRA.

[@plaguesnstuff7657]

I hoped Heihachi would return but as nightmare or just non canon dlc. I do think it's stupid to bring him back as is.

[@WeedShaggy]

Here b4 the "FiGhTiNg GaMe LoRe" doesn't matter bots come. But they care enough to spend real money for legacy characters.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

You're ignorant so you can't comprehend that this is still lore.

[@0svvan0]

gotta use the SNK method and use the term "dream match" to excuse these things.

[@Ergeniz]

Not even. You could just...not include them in the story and include them in vs mode.

[@blackdarkness6798]

Because people dont like devs to stick to the story they set before, they want to play as the characters even when they died canonically They just cant let them rest in peace after their last fights because of individuals in the community cry about it And they will just tell you "fgs stories dont matter" or reply with boo hoo, like some did here

[@budgiecat9039]

Show me the people who were crying and petitioning for Heihachi and Bison to come back then. I call BS The devs just wanna create hype and nickel and dime the consumers by doing key jangling. Even more evident due to them being DLC. And we already saw their bs excuse for why the prices got hiked up for even simple things like outfits Just like Disney does with Marvel and Star Wars despite putting out shitty content. The Acolyte was one of the worst TV shows ever made but shills took a proverbial shit in their pants when they say Darth Plaguies and Yoda in the final episode for 5 seconds saying nothing

[@blackdarkness6798]

@@budgiecat9039 You live under a rock? A bunch of people still werent thrilled for Reina replacing Heihachi or JP replacing Bison, why you think the two were made in the new games? To take the spot for future installments JDCR was told by Harada that Heihachi is gone, someone who wanted him, yet you say there wasnt any

[@budgiecat9039]

@@blackdarkness6798 how many is a bunch

[@lifeonleo1074]

Bro FGC stories don't matter, yes I said it. I was there at the begining in the Arcades, the only street fighter I missed was the very first one. No one cared about the story, all you wanted to do was get there and beat up your friend or beat the local arcade champion. None of the hard core real FGC cares one bit about the story what we care about is is the gameplay fun, good mechanics, good diverse characters, balance etc. It is pure casuals that care about the story.

[@blackdarkness6798]

@@lifeonleo1074 Without the story which you claim none cares about characters would not even be as hated or loved as they are Heihachi wouldnt be so beloved if you didnt knew his what his character is like, so how about you shut it, also plenty of peeps who compete in online or tournaments played the story, also if as you claim none cares of them, they wouldnt be made to begin with, but ofc you jist gonna talk out of yourself Also dont speak in everyone names either

[@thedarkderp2520]

In fatal fury geese is still 6 feet under and i hope he remains that way i don't nightmare geese that's just a non canon way to have him be playable without affecting the story

[@deezee2965]

Geese demise in Real Bout (1996) in the Fatal Fury continuity is the Last Death Standing right now... Will it last with City of the Wolf?

[@neonthunder3261]

I think so. SNK has and probably will keep using Nightmare Geese. If not, I'm gonna just sit on my ass and only play old games

[@bryanc7094]

@@neonthunder3261same

[@deezee2965]

@@neonthunder3261 Real Bout 2 is officialy the 5th canon game. In it we see in Geese ending that his soul might be bound to one of the remaining Jin Scrolls. If SNK takes the continuity seriously this could be used to bring Nightmare Geese indeed.

[@bekimmehmedi2905]

Tbh a 30 year run before reviving someone is okay in my book.

[@Ninja07Keaton]

@@deezee2965 In Dominated Mind, Geese's portrait has a halo. Letting us know that Geese is dead, and only here for gameplay.

[@BigLadStudios]

With Bison, we had years of Shadaloo is over. Placing games before 3 in the timeline to ensure that they can still have Bison in the game without completely throwing out what SF3 established. And they just completely went back on it, I was interested in walking hermit Bison being this absolute powerhouse with no idea what he had done previous was very interesting but restoring him as the king of shadaloo is what was super disappointing for me. And the fact that they've featured content about Balrog and Vega reconsidering their opinion on Shadaloo, again just undoing progress. There's potential for Balrog to have a choice between Shadaloo and Neo Shadaloo which I hope he joins, could be an interesting conflict and show us that Balrog is a lil more human than just being obsessed with fight money.

[@usui14]

Not gonna lie, heihachi being alive is kinda lame. Ruins the ending of tekken 7 and the story of tekken 8

[@thetruej7872]

I had a feeling Bison & Heihachi would come back considering how iconic they are.

[@aaronatkinson177]

All it is just a very cheap way of selling us dlc so we can give them some money 💰 🤑

[@Dragoncam13]

Canonically Bison makes sense with his clone bodies,not heihachi

[@budgiecat9039]

​@@aaronatkinson177that's basically what it boils down to: greed and favoritism. They threw us back Heihachi but when we asked for classic Tekken 1 and 2 outfits, Harada said it's impossible because the engine can't render them 🙄🤌 So full of shit lol

[@Veekron]

​@@budgiecat9039"can't render" my ass

[@HeyMomonia]

​​@@Dragoncam13 If i remember correctly bison is bound to always reborn in the first place There was an ending with rose where she tried to find a way to get rid of him forever but there isn't one Even if she kills him before he gets the psycho power i think she's the one becoming an evil dictator or something. With bison it's actually explained With heihachi i feel like we can't judge before we know. But with the infos we have there's no explanation or reason for him to come back outside of being a fan favorite I'm a fan of bison and hei so i'm not mad at all I just think they should stop writing stories around killing them Make them part of the plot but not being the main threat Edit: for those who say "how did he survive" even if he did without explanation it would be the same as in tekken 5. Multiple jacks launching at him and exploding right to his face and he was in a coma for a little basically without scratch

[@fightingmedialounge519]

I wouldn't call it selling out since that implies the games are giving away an integrity they arguably didn't have. Bringing them back is a souless cash grab.

[@Zetact_]

SNK committed more to an inside joke about K9999 than Capcom and Bamco are taking their main story.

[@gabethepaper3916]

Why don't they just make them playable, but not in the story mode?

[@royasturias1784]

or unlockable via certain conditions that don't involve your real-life loose change

[@Shy_Abi]

It did mean something back in Tekken 3 where Kazuya didn't show up and in Tekken 8 till July 22nd 2024

[@jonathanmaldonado2499]

So far, the only confirmed dead Tekken character is the original King at this point

[@blackdarkness6798]

Kuma as well, then his son replaced him

[@rKhael53]

Michelle Chang ? Ogre did a great job so far.

[@zerofudou5689]

Original Armor King too.

[@jonathanmaldonado2499]

@@rKhael53My bad y'all and thanks for reminding me. The original King was the only fighter that was known to be killed by ogre, he attacked like two others but they survived. Baek and Jun. Kuma Sr. Died And his son took over on the roster, Michelle is still alive, she just doesn't fight anymore. And the original armor King was killed by Craig Marduk in a bar fight.

[@rances4418]

The thing about bison death is he was brought back yes but he isn’t the same m bison. Much like Seth he’s a clone that takes his name. So from story line perspective they can definitely do some interesting things with that

[@rances4418]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 I thought it was established Seth in street fighter 5 was one of Seth many doubles I might be misremembering

[@neonthunder3261]

TBH I think there will be some kind of consequence long-term for this, at least I'd like there to be but I don't expect anything to really happen. Yeah, you've got your hype and people buying but to me just a lazy revival that not only breaks but shatters the previous games' storylines feels almost cheap in a way, like a very obvious cashgrab. I like Bison's new Raoh-like appeal, but I find him going back to his old ways to be a complete waste of a character, and with Heihachi back... I don't think fighting game stories will move forward, ever. Street Fighter will forever continue the same Shadaloo song and dance for as long as they make money. Shame because I was really hoping they'd do something with the Secret Society hints in 5 (though it was just SF3 buildup), but I guess not.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Well none of these 2 series stories will likely move forward. But there are other, younger fg series that do actually take importance in their narratives, at least moreso. I still gotta get the sequel but Undernight comes to mind. And idk about GG lore much but it sounds like that one's been moving on for the past couole entries. KoF does it with each saga and CotW (hopefully) properly picks up where MotW left off with Rock cause man that would be weird otherwise.

[@neonthunder3261]

@@MagillanicaLouM The reason I bring it up is because SF6 and Tekken 8 both billed themselves as a new post-main villain era, with Tekken 8 being a big finale to the Mishima saga, and SF6 being the start of something new. Now that both of those have been undone, this has left a seriously bitter taste in my mouth. Why should I bother trusting either of these companies when it comes to handling these characters anymore? Not that they did either especially great as of recent, but to make it the big selling point and then aggressively walk it back felt like a complete rug pull. I *want* to like Tekken and Street Fighter, but especially on the Street Fighter side, it's just so awful how 6's story is being handled despite how hard they pushed for it. And I do concede I may be interested in some of the newer series pushing their narratives along, and I'm especially excited for COTW since I have a lot of faith in SNK and handling stories (what with the KOF sagas & Fatal Fury, Maximum Impact and all that), though I'm very much shaky about the idea of a half-assed revival being present there as well. Granted, SNK has the least amount of reason to ever do it, but I'm very much tense at the idea.

[@rushalias8511]

​@neonthunder3261 I mean tekken 8 technically isn't done yet. We've spent the main game basically getting rid of the devil gene so I think it's fitting that they prepare to settle it in a final bout with no devil gene. That said if they keep this bs in 9 then its a problem for sure

[@MagillanicaLouM]

@@neonthunder3261 yeah i understand that. Especially on SF's side, it's the fact they were ALWAYS planning on walking back with Bison apparently, that makes it all the more confusing. Did they really only do all that pomp and circumstance JUST to retroactively explain Shadaloo's absence in 3, to then immediately walk it back in the first post-sf3 game? What waste.

[@neonthunder3261]

@@MagillanicaLouM Yeah, majorly disappointing. Wish they'd just... Plan something else honestly but it should've been obvious from the jump with "Neo Shadaloo" being the villains, I guess.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

I don't know why canonical deaths have to translate into characters being removed from rosters or why bringing them back means they have to revive them. Incredible arbitrary and stupid.

[@ryanrose3510]

Hi Scotia, I like your intro. Definitely agree with boss fighters returns lessening the impact of the story. I think it's a case of 'Strike while the iron is hot' since so many eyes are on fighting games right now.

[@armanclark]

Its goes to show whose an actual fan of fighters and who isnt. Dlc or expansion charaters can be dead and still show up

[@allenniumfalcon]

Not keeping a character dead is very weak. Bringing back the same roster over and over again is weak too.

[@Dont_care_4_U]

Death in Tekken is like death in DBZ temporary at best

[@kiddalmatiangawd8389]

Was literally waiting on a video like this to be made

[@GF9000000Returns]

So...did you see Heihachi's episode in 8? Man, they just ruined the story with that retcon. Kazuya WATCHED HIM DIE.

[@KeyBladeMaster-Dan]

It was pitiful some random monk flying in like Raiden inside a volcano and catching him? Like....did a child write this?

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

​@@KeyBladeMaster-DanA monk who considers the Mishima's to be a danger to the world... went out of his way to save the most evil Mishima ever... He got real lucky with that amnesia, otherwise Heihachi would've just killed them all on the spot.

[@Nekusa]

DUDE. i was just thinking about creating a short comic about Heihachi, mbison and shang tsung all faking their deaths prior to the last game. so i hop on here as i saw it looking for music on youtube.

[@rKhael53]

I miss the time when devs had balls. Back in SF3 and Tekken 3 time, they were not afraid of replace/decimate entire generations of fighters. Just to make a renewal. For the sake of saga and story evolution. It was GigaChad moves.

[@trellwhitehurst6670]

Unfortunately SF3 caught hell for doing it in more ways than one. Tekken 3 not at all.

[@conradojavier7547]

it's sad when 3 is Overshadowed by Alpha or even the EX Games at the time.

[@CaptainVulcan]

At this rate, I'm convinced that Geese Howard will 'canonically' return to life in the upcoming Fatal Fury game. But in his case, he's been gone for over 20 years and his resurrection will make the most sense (power of the Jin Scrolls).

[@malcovich_games]

Didn't the scrolls get destroyed by Gesse, so no one can use them anymore? Including Geese, who used them to come back from one death already.

[@superthorc6894]

@@malcovich_gamesunless there is a fine print in the scroll that allows him back then you’re right

[@CaptainVulcan]

@@malcovich_games Geese did destroyed the scrolls to keep anyone else from using them. Which implies that he still obtained immortality despite that. It's vague but I do think that SNK is hinting that Geese is still alive, or on the verge of reincarnation (even though the Nightmare in Real Bout Special is non canon). Only time will tell. It may very well be the case if SNK decides to revive him in CoTW. Hopefully it'll prevent some people from flying off the top rope due to misinterpretation.

[@tek87]

Sadly, this is the norm nowadays. There is too much money in these IPs and as a result, game companies are more risk adverse. You would never have seen this 20 years ago.

[@scotiaviii]

Had a conversation with a friend about this the other week and we came to a similar conclusion. It's sad really, there's just no reason for these companies to take risks or move things in a new direction when they can ride off the back of the old and reliable to get guaranteed cash. Makes me become less and less invested in these series as time goes on.

[@ThrashMetalWolf666]

I haven't been paying attention to Tekkens story since 7. The whole thing about Tekken 7 being "the conclusion to the Mishima saga" is a complete lie and was done mainly for shock value, so it's not surprising that Heihachi is back. Tekkens story has been terrible post 5. Tekken 7 is the final nail in the coffin when it comes to me caring about the story. Most of the characters have been stagnant for 15 years now. Bamco either doesn't know what to do with most of the characters or doesn't care to. Tekken isn't MK. The story is not taken seriously like it is with MK where people like John Tobias and John Vogel actually wanted to tell a story. The solution to adding dead characters is to add them in the game but make them non canon to the story, or just don't kill them off.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

dude you knwo ti was lie when you find out reina was heiahchi dugther and was gonig after kaz so dotn give me the you did not knwo that any oen who ebat the game knwo this

[@ZekeTheThunderWolf]

In the beginning, Heihachi threw Kazuya off the cliff. Then Kazuya got his revenge and threw Heihachi off a cliff. Then Heihachi came back and threw Kazuya into an active volcano... And when Kazuya lived, Heihachi "died" from an explosion... then when he came back, the two kept fighting for power until Jin, Kazuya's bastard son, won... Jin messed up, Kazuya takes power again and defeats heihachi in an active volcano. Heihachi came back. Of course he came back. This is the dumb back and forth that has been happening before Tekken 1. No surprise. All the hype. Just keep fighting. It's hilarious.

[@Killer_Raven1875]

This is how when I react to them when returning back from the dead. Me: 😐

[@aleysibbs2461]

Yup death in fighting games mean nothing, however MK11 they killed of Kronikha. Not counting MK9 because those characters got resurrected in Mk 10.

[@Mr.Kef_art]

Yeah but Kronika was never a playable character though, so nobody would miss her gameplay wise. I know what you mean though.

[@kaiokendo]

Homelessness in capcom means everything

[@RoyArkon]

Death in fighting games DOES matter, the problem is that SF and Tekken just don't give a damn about it. Just look at Mortal Kombat. Liu Kang got killed at the beginning of MKDA and we got all of MKDA without him and he only came back in MKD as a zombie. Shang Tsung and Quan Chi both got killed in MKD, they weren't playable in that game and only came back in MKA. Then both Shang Tsung and Shao Kahn got killed in MK9, they both skipped MKX and only came back in MK11. And Quan Chi got killed in MKX, skipped MK11 and now just recently came back in MK1. So while MK chars do come back, at the very least they wait a whole full game before they come back in order to make sure that their death would still mean something for the overall plot. SF and Tekken don't care. Bison got killed in SF5 and came back in SF6 after just one season, and Heihachi didn't even wait one season and is already back after Tekken 7, after both IP's made a huge deal from both getting killed, just for them to come back THIS quick, unlike MK which allows their chars to remain dead for at least one game so that the impact will be felt. So yes, death in fighting games DOES matter, it's just that it doesn't matter in SF and Tekken, or at least doesn't matter for Bison and the Mishimas, just because Capcom and Bamco don't wanna take chances with their IP's, unlike NRS/WB with MK.

[@conradojavier7547]

in Street Fighter, they cannot Move on from the Shadaloo Drama.

[@conradojavier7547]

I would be Happy with an Abraham Lincoln looking Influencer, or a Cult Leader as a new Big Bad in Street Fighter.

[@RoyArkon]

@@conradojavier7547 Writing around villains in SF is clearly all over the place. They try to hype Necalli up as the new main villain in SF5 only to butcher him through the whole story by making any of his appearances to look like a bunch of fillers while make Bison the main bad guy again, and then called G the "real final boss of SFV" yet that went nowhere. Now in SF6 they built JP as the bad guy but they butchered him also by making him lose and still trying to look badass by just talking and convincing his opponents that their wins are meaningless, trying to make him overly OP while ruining the meaning of the fights, and now they bring back Bison in what looks like him once again taking the main villain spot after only one season. SF6 story sucks donkey balls.

[@Killerwhale317]

My only issue is that I don't want to pay extra for an original character. It feels like a micro-transaction gimmick - taking away something original just to bring it back later, but with a cost.

[@spooky4223]

I think it use to be if a character died, devs would still allow a character to be playable but would either be absent,undead, or a flash back in the story.

[@Lexicon865]

Fighting game deaths only mean something if the character wasn't as much of a staple like say Nash, Gen or Necalli

[@Sharky_Splitz]

I remember when Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance killed off Lui Kang of all people.And had lasting effects throughout multiple games.

[@MrDarksol]

Now I know we have to wait until the thrown into the lava but somehow he's magically alive old man elephant of the room is playable but this is just ridiculous that namco just pulled a capcom and just brought back a villain who was only gone for one game. Like seriously what was the point of tekken 7's ending and what was the point of Ryu finally offing Bison? Especially if the devs are just gonna bring these characters back one game later despite the fact that they're supposed to be dead. This is why I much preferred how arc system works for the guilty gear games and how SNK did the King of fighters games did when it came to dead characters because at least with those there was a reason for why the character stayed dead and when they did come back it was either through a prequel story or an abridged version of the game events of a previous title or a Magic mcguffin that's in the story that brings those characters back but not before a massive long wait time period in universe. Here it completely just feels like that the only reason why these 2 characters came back immediately it's because of member berries and bending over backwards for all of the fans that really really want these dead characters back regardless of whether or not it completely destroys the storyline for both titles. If that's the case then they really should have went the fatal fury route and just made M. Bison and Heihachi nightmare versions that were non cannon because it makes everything from SF5 and T7 COMPLETELY pointless. I am glad that more people are starting to understand that this is a very very scummy business decision just to keep the brand the same and keep the status quo.

[@conradojavier7547]

They Created a Girl in a Purple Jacket as a Replacement of Heihachi, & JP is Shadaloo's Accountant to carry Bison/Shadaloo's Legacy.

[@Mr.Kef_art]

I personally would really like if these dead characters had their same moveset put into "successor" characters. Not quite like Reina, who has an altered version of Heihachis moveset, but an exact copy to please those who mained the dead character. But, of course, successors wouldn't sell as much as the real deal.

[@rushalias8511]

There is also the fact that the successors would be less liked...considered cheap knock offs among other things and not as good as the original. That's always the issue. People grow attached to these characters both mechanically and emotionally and while yes it can be good narratively to kill them their is always a longing and want for them.

[@Ticketman99]

They did that with Jin in T3...but then they brought Kazuya back for T4. Then T5 gave us Asuka Kazama, who's basically a Jun replacement...but THEN Jun herself comes back for T8 lol

[@LEOS-BIZARRE-YOUTUBE-CHANNEL]

Games should be so easy just have those characters a non canon DLCs

[@phazongroove]

Whenever a character dies in a video game or comic book that mean they are still alive or will be resurrected some type of way. It's so cliche

[@PortugueseMACPOW]

I love Heihachi, but why kill him just to bring him back?

[@zibivaxmeterinstall5850]

This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot , these fighting game story writers need to give us something new, I love Mishima Heihachi but I wish they would keep him dead, bison as well

[@coritooty]

Im no longer taking Tekken's story serious after this sh*t 😴

[@rKhael53]

If at least they weren't in Story mode, it would be fine. Like the Joker who was in Injustice 2, but remained dead in the storyline.

[@marche800]

Unless your name is Guidel, Jeff Bogard or Goutetsu

[@najadamu2724]

inb4 Street Fighter 7 reveals Goutetsu was resurrected with Psycho Power or some crap lol

[@royasturias1784]

the first 2 hadn't been playable characters in any capacity

[@Takashii85]

A shame, cuz fighting game story typically have a cool concept story arc and awesome characters. But at the same time, because its a fighting game, it's limited in what it can do with its premise. If there's a enough demand, you bring em back.

[@MurphinatorTS]

Wow just wow. I was looking for this type of video on KZbin. Glad you released it. Imma chuck these games cause no way i was into the story. Only with these fighting games bruh tired of them just trying to make money imma just play sparking zero

[@Raytheman581]

Yep, the thing that gets me is that if they weren't gonna be dead they should've at least been in the main roster then. Doing it like this makes it a real DLC ploy and that's not cool

[@legefy]

I think Tekken is a bit worse for it. Heihachi had the entirety of Tekken 7 as his swansong. That was his game, his story, his death... So bringing him back completely cheapens that to the point where you can get no satisfaction from it. Yes, losing Heihachi for a game would be sad, but keep in mind that Heihachi isn't even played that much. We'd miss him, but he wasn't a core part of the Tekken gameplay scene.

[@Sebbywebz]

I can’t wait to pay extra for a character who’s been base for the last 7 games

[@adamrivera7667]

I would be ok with it if they just added the characters as just playable but not involved in the story it’s the fact that they are involved in the story that I have an issue with

[@bloodbane93]

There’s definitely a tightrope to walk about stuff like this between “functions” and story. But the thing is, Tekken 8 is sorely lacking for big boys and specifically heavy Mishimas. If you seperate the multi and the story, then Heihachi actually makes a lot of sense. It’s up to you to decide whether or not you can separate Tekken 8 The Story and Tekken 8 The Competitive Game

[@Dumah36]

I wish they would just stay dead. I mean Mature and Vice just got announced for kof and i am pretty sure they have been dead for years. They can be playable but stay dead in the story. It's not that hard

[@vapersmith7859]

The thing that surprises me most now that I know the history of Tekken a bit more is that the Death of Heihatchi is not only temporary but relatively short and on top of that he seems to have taken very little relative damage for you know...being tossed in a Volcano and apparently gravely injured but recovered. Bison at least LOOKS like he's had to recover from a serious illness and has memory problems to boot.

[@FahmiZFX]

First time being here. Just wanna point out about your voice recording being so similar to the Tekken 4 announcer - that raspy, crackly, listless lo fi voice. Ever thought about doing Tekken meme videos with that?

[@SHINIGAMI6774]

there was no need for heiachi to come back becuse it was supposed to be jin vs kazuya now

[@ssjgotenks2009]

and jin vs kazuya did hapepn and it ened jun todl jin by wining he coudl turn kazuya back to good so that is that

[@redcoffeeberry]

They can include characters in the game and just not make them part of the story anymore. Gohan SSJ2 is always in every DB fighting game but isn't always part of the story.

[@Wreck1990]

Clicked for the thumbnail.

[@gregwilliams4926]

After seeing the trailer again, I do think that this is a flashback after Tekken 2, because why is his hair not grey in the volcano shot and his actual render is the old Heihachi with a few scars on his chest. I believe this "new" Heihachi is Lidia's master or whoever that old guy is with the tiger mask. But Heihachi is also a skin like Eddie and Christie, Xiao and Miharo in Tekken 4 back then. Kinda like a what if he did survive model like what NRS did with MKX revenant characters, they made up old looks for the cast that were never canon in the story.

[@budgiecat9039]

If Heihachi stayed dead nobody would care or boycott the game. Its just greed You know whos dead? Fei Long. Forest Law. Gen Wang Michael Max Everyone in Power Instinct Good female art design in Tekken

[@Bakino0]

I think a character a character can come back as playable, just leave them out the story and it's fine