The Original DOCTOR STRANGE In The Multiverse Of Madness Was TOTALLY Different | Scott Derrickson

The Original DOCTOR STRANGE In The Multiverse Of Madness Was TOTALLY Different | Scott Derrickson Plan. We break down the original concept behind the movie and how different it could have been. Scott Derrickson's plan for the movie could have seen a very different outcome including, The very first Marvel horror movie, The Creative Differences, America Chavez, Wandas Switch to a Villain, Mordo from the 616, Clea, Shuma Gorath and Nightmare and so much more.
#DoctorStrange #InTheMultiverseOfMadness #Original #EndingExplained #Wanda #ScarlettWitch #EasterEgg #Spiderman #NoWayHome #Marvel #Wanda #Wandavision #PerfectVillain #ScottDerrickson #Mordo #SumaGorath #Nightmare
If you enjoyed this video then please subscribe to the channel / @heavyspoilers
If You Want To Help Support The Channel So I Can Make More Videos Like This Please Donate Here:
/ @heavyspoilers
Check out our #shorts channel here HEAVY SPOILERS CLIPS - / @heavyspoilersclips8820
Get some awesome Heavy Spoilers show clothes, phonecases and accessories at - shopzeroedition.com/collection...
Check out our BEST new videos below
Halloween Ends Trailer Breakdown - • Halloween Ends - Offic...
Better Call Saul Season 6 Episode 9 Breakdown - • BETTER CALL SAUL Seaso...
Ms Marvel Episode 6 Breakdown - • MS Marvel Episode 6 Br...
Westworld Season 4 Episode 3 Breakdown - • WESTWORLD Season 4 Epi...
The Boys Season 3 Episode 8 Breakdown - • THE BOYS Season 3 Epis...
Thor Love And Thunder Ending Explained - • THOR Love And Thunder ...
/* ---- SOCIAL MEDIA ---- */
Follow Me On Social Media At:
Website - heavyspoilers.com/
TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@heavyspoilers...
Twitter - / heavyspoilers
Instagram - / heavyspoilers
Facebook - / deffinitionmc
/* ---- VIDEO INFORMATION ---- */
0:00 The Original Doctor Strange ITMOM was TOTALLY Different
1:40 America Chavez, Wandas The Villain, Mordo from the 616, Clea, Shuma Gorath and Nightmare Explained
8:02 Competition and Outro
ok so you know me, I like Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness. Though it's definitely divided the fan base I fall on the side that thinks it was a rollercoaster ride that contained some of the best horror scenes in the MCU. Wanda was a great villain to me and watching this chase across several universes felt like one of the funnest rides I'd had in the marvel universe for a long time.
However things were originally gonna be different to what we got and if you cast your mind back to the phase 4 announcement then you'll remember Scott Derrickson was initially behind the project. He'd just come off the back of the original Doctor Strange movie and at the event he said they were gearing up to create the first horror movie in the MCU.
However Derrickson and the studio ended up parting ways over what was said to be creative differences. Though rumours flew around the project at the time that said Marvel were afraid of how far he was gonna go with it this has sort of been debunked. During an interview with Empire, Kevin Feige said that the studio still loves Scott and though no one really believes them, it was genuinely just down to creative differences.
Feige really said 'What Scott Derrickson'
Now since then Scott has gone on to direct the phenomenal Black Phone and it makes you wonder what his original plan was going to be.
Well we've bloody got it.
After sorting through leaks, interviews and what insiders close to the movie have said we've pieced together elements of what the original plan for the movie was supposed to be.
So join us as we take a trip through an alternate timeline in order to ask What If.
If you love the video 3000 then please hit the thumbs up button and make sure you subscribe because I'll love you in every universe. With that out the way, thank you for clicking this, now let's get into the breakdown.
Now first up there was very much three versions of this film with the first one being Derricksons and then the plan with Raimi's both pre and mid pandemic. You might remember that Multiverse Of Madness was slated to release before No Way Home but that Sony ended up refusing to budge on their december release date which led to them swapping places.
America Chavez was originally going to be introduced in this film and then come No Way Home she'd be the person that pulled across Andrew and Tobey. This was shown in a lot of concept art for the film and it makes way more sense than having Ned discover he's a wizard.
► Artist Attribution
Music - LAKEY INSPIRED - The Process
SoundCloud: / lakeyinspired
Instagram: / lakeyinspired

[@heavyspoilers]

Let us know if you would've preferred this version below. If you enjoyed this video then please subscribe to the channel kzbin.info/door/q3hT5JPPKy87JGbDls_5BQ

[@NeverLetOff]

I love the version we got. It was good and I don't understand people's issues with it. Like so what the illuminati got dealt with in two seconds. They should have been better. 616 forever

[@Blackruto]

i like the script we got

[@HeathenGeek]

Shumagorath? like in that movie John Dies at the End (2012) ?

[@tumblingworm737]

Your joking but you should be serious about keeping politics out. You think we watch movies to escape from reality or what? 🙄

[@Blackruto]

@@tumblingworm737 what are you talking about?

[@voiceinject]

I would have preferred a slower burn on Wanda's turn.

[@heavyspoilers]

Yeah I kinda think they should’ve done more with Wandavision to set it up here

[@r.e.z9428]

That would have taken better writers and you’d have to erase Wandavision.

[@JohnnySturdivant]

Meh

[@harshvardhanparmar2000]

how did you comment 3 days ago when the vid released today?

[@ghintz2156]

The first twenty minutes in the movie jumped through too much too fast for sure.

[@DNSchank]

I remember an interview of Benedict and Elizabeth saying "the only thing that remains from the original version of the movie is the title" which now makes sense.

[@lobstepgaming249]

Honestly the opportunities missed with this movie is just unforgivable…

[@walkingcubkid]

Understatement of the century… the mcu is dead.

[@looloodee]

​@@walkingcubkid isn't but whatever makes you sleep at night

[@terrancemcdonald2393]

It sounds like this version would’ve been way better… having a slower arch to Wanda’s descent makes more sense, because in Sam Raimi’s version, it felt rushed!! Also having the original Mordo come back as well as seeing brother voodoo and nightmare would’ve been insane… Don’t get me wrong, having the Illuminati appear was pretty cool, but at the same time it was kind of wasted potential!!

[@nh0522]

in hindsight it is clearly better but i doubt it would have been clear whilst they were making it

[@brycebirkinbine4119]

Being rushed isn't Raimi's fault... That's whoever mandated that dumb ass 2 hour runtime. Movie needed another 30 minutes. Same with Thor 4. Like didn't we prove people would watch long ass movies when Endgame came out? Hell scratch that remember when an almost 3 hour Pirates movie made a billion lmfao. I just think there's a version of this movie on the cutting room floor that is 100000000% better.

[@striderparth10]

Descent

[@terrancemcdonald2393]

@@striderparth10 😂😂😂… Thank you!!

[@1rjona]

How many of those who felt Wanda 's villain arc was rushed, didn't watch Wanda vision?

[@Vor567tez]

The alternative ver sounds way better. It actually connects and makes WandaVision worth your watch. Wanda's redemption, the prophecy, the kids everything pulled in this script. You do see the continuity. The movie seriously had the potential to become greatest superhero movie. 😭😭

[@hritviknijhawan1737]

And earn more than Avatar...

[@jt6924]

@@hritviknijhawan1737 😐

[@hritviknijhawan1737]

@@jt6924 what? I just meant that it could have been a massive success lol.

[@lilricebowl9731]

@@jt6924 he ain’t talking about live action ATLA

[@TChalla616]

It would have made much more sense for Wanda to try redeeming herself from Westview, and then turn in the end. It would have tied things together much better.

[@ChineduOpara]

Exactly!

[@davesouthword1298]

She was busy being corrupted by the Darkhold at the end of Wandavision; to come to this film as good would make no sense.

[@joshberliner4149]

@@davesouthword1298 Exactly!

[@chamonglee]

@@davesouthword1298 We would like to see the descent into darkness that she goes through. Not just start a movie already at that point. Her turning bad and watching what influences her to turn and also watching her inner battle with herself as she slowly loses herself would’ve made her so much more of a compelling villain.

[@JohnDowson100]

Agree!

[@patrickyeary]

I think the original story plan was similar to what everyone originally had in mind. Wanda starting out helping the heroes then becoming the bad guy in the latter act.

[@christopherramsey7027]

This definitely should've been a longer film with more focus on Dr. Strange and America's characters and more universes.

[@rileyribble6733]

While Wanda is most definitely a main character here, I think far too many people are missing the very clear character development Strange has from beginning to end. It’s a character study in a lot of ways for him when you really analyze it deeper. The consistent theme being about “holding the knife”. One of the most important scenes in the film no one mentions is the conversation between Strange and Dr. West at the beginning. West mentions how although yes everyone from the snap was brought back, he provided a very personal and humane look at how the snap effected people. He said that in the time he was gone, he lost people in his family (including his cats lol). And he shows that the everyday person in the MCU could look at the events very differently, wondering if it DID have to happen that way. This is where Strange’s journey across the multiverse meeting/learning about his other variants comes in. They serve as a self reflection for Strange as a character to grow beyond them at the end. The contrast between Defender Strange going to kill America for her power, but our Strange doesn’t. Illuminati Strange doing what he felt was “the only way” to defeat Thanos, resulting in the Annihilation of a whole universe. And then Sinister Strange as well. All these variants provide a deep self reflection for his character, the choices he makes, and how to grow BEYOND his variants. Realizing that he doesn’t always have to hold the knife. Of course Wanda is amazing as well and had a lot of development cuz well, she’s the co Star and main antagonist lol. But the point is, Strange has clear development from beginning to end, which is also exemplified through him bowing to Wong. Yes Strange was humbled in many ways in the first film, but he’s always still had that arrogance about him. And clearly after coming back, he hasn’t been content with his place in the universe with Wong as Sorcerer Supreme and not him. He had multiple instances in NWH and MoM where he appeared clearly annoyed about it, and thus didn’t follow ancient customs. But yet at the end of MoM, he shows more humility and contentment than ever by bowing to Wong. This comment has become way too long, but I just wanted to provide some of how I interpreted this film 🤣

[@Mr.SledgeHammer]

@@rileyribble6733 i couldn't read your entire comment,but i see you are trying to justify the final release . But the movie sucked bro. It sucked big time

[@DoubleA73]

@@rileyribble6733 Just because people don't like it doesn't mean that they didn't understand it. It is very easy to understand, far more simple than a Dr Strange story should be. It's weak.

[@truckdriver2129]

@@rileyribble6733 The problem is that the "Holding the knife" character arc didn't make sense for Strange to have. Other then being arrogant and being used to move the plot along, there are not really many times Strange takes control of a situation more then anyone else would. The final battle of DS1 was really based around the "I'm your prisoner and you are mine" idea which contradicts this 'holding the knife' arc. If that doesn't convince you take infinity war for example. Strange is kinda off on the 'I just care about the time stone, do whatever the hell you want' path. He peers into the future to find out what needs to happen (Aka Marvel being lazy and wanting an excuse for thanos not being defeated in easier ways) but he doesn't really help with the planning. Even in the fight scenes, other then the Thanos Strange 1v1, he helps the others without taking the spotlight away. The 'holding the knife' arc, if you can even call it that, only fits in DS1. Sure, we see Strange go through "growth" by bowing to Wong, but that isn't saying much. Wouldn't you be jealous if your best friend got the promotion that was meant for you? Also, I skimmed over your comment but you said something about ancient customs and Strange not following them. This isn't him being a control freak or stubborn, this ties into the basis of his character and DS1. He was a man of science thrusted into this world of magic and mystery. Of course he does things a little unorthodox. He was a prodigy and his unique take on magic and creativity makes him stand out from the rest, and that's what will make him the best sorcerer supreme, despite the Ancient one having more raw power. (The Ancient One literally said this in the movie so don't come at me lmao)

[@kindabatooni9314]

@@truckdriver2129 totally agree with you. I feel Marvel is trying to put down Strange for no reason whatsoever. They are tying him down refusing to give him full potential. He is easily the best fit to be in Tony Stark’s place yet it seems Marvel doesn’t want to create another RDJ because his price got so high at the end and because now they are trying to promote the female characters on the expense of the male ones. I am all for great female characters but don’t disrespect great male characters in their own movies to promote the female ones. Strange has great potential and Marvel is wasting it and wasting Benedict Cumberbatch who is a phenomenal actor.

[@PAMT888]

After hearing this original script/concept, the title of the movie makes much more sense, imo. After watching the movie we got, it should've just been titled "Doctor Strange in A Multiverse" or a different title entirely. Didn't really feel the ""Multiverse of Madness" concept while watching the film.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@paolo titular you can thank Kevin Feige for that. Manz doesn't ask the right questions

[@oscarcovarrubias5874]

Finally someone said it.

[@jovanlopez5284]

Doctor strange: multiversal

[@chaslous]

ehh it’s not that deep for a full name change

[@ayubali2431]

Or how about Doctor Strange II

[@ontos8914]

I hope scott comes back for Strange 3 I honestly just preferred his style and how he treated the character it’s honestly a shame we didn’t get to see it

[@alexdawson4571]

No kidding. I feel like Feige is turning into his own worst enemy; in the desire to keep the on-going story moving, he seems to be forcing directors to cater to his vision and not the other way around. No wonder Derrickson left. Still, he did say he'd be open to coming back for a third and I pray he does. As much as I like Multiverse, his film is what made me fall in love with Stephen's character and I think if anyone can do Doctor Strange justice it's him. Hell, even if he only came back with Russell Craig as a writer for the third film but Marvel kept Raimi in the director's chair, I'd be okay with that.

[@NiaNeuman]

Hard agree. I watched the original Dr. Strange just before going to se MoM, and it was much more respectful and trusting of the audience.

[@drenx87]

@@alexdawson4571 it aint just feige ... there's whole buncha corporate people including the new ( quantity over quality) ceo chapek that they have to make happy... similar to what WB is doing... if the Corporates are not happy - director out let new one come in and make every fckn changes as much as possible , then the story turns into mediocre with rushed half ass CGI and push out under 2hr movie for people. no wonder many actors and directors have quit cause creative difference with marvel.

[@alexdawson4571]

@@drenx87 Well that's gonna have to change. Phase 4 has had a very rough reception with fans and critics alike, and if they want to keep the money rolling, they're gonna have to start listening to the people demanding a better product.

[@kirikiri44695]

​@@drenx87 he was very good before .seems like it's disney forcing him to do this

[@DBunkYoMind]

Although WandaVision ended with Wanda using/being corrupted by the Darkhold and “hearing” her lost sons… A scene where she learned of America Chavez’s powers (even in flashback) would have been the missing piece! Nightmare or Mephisto (as the rabbit from WandaVision) could have even had a cameo appearance as the source of the information…. And then been a “tease” for eventually fully appearing in another film. Nightmare makes the most sense with all the talk of dreams being peeks into other realities in the Multiverse!!

[@birdmanblizzard3618]

In other words, they decided to sacrifice the movie as whole in order to set up other movies down the line instead of telling a compelling and complete story with fewer branches and references. I would've much preferred the original version as it would've shown Wanda's journey into darkness, making her more sympathetic and compelling instead of mildly annoying for the sake of cartoonish villainy.

[@lillrice27]

@@birdmanblizzard3618 I fully agree, it also feels like wandavision’s ending was pointless since they didn’t even show Wanda’s descent into darkness, she apologizes for westview and then all of a sudden goes evil again

[@reedykape7451]

This alternate script sounds way better than the movie we got

[@kenobiaaron]

Alternate scripts usually end up sounding way better.

[@JohnnySturdivant]

Script sounds mid to me

[@obamassecondcousin7481]

Agreed need to see nightmare at somepoint

[@Mr.SledgeHammer]

@@kenobiaaron Thor Ragnarok has a shitty alternate script 🙂

[@forbiddencroisant]

@@Mr.SledgeHammer I mean not like the Ragnarok script was some award-worthy script. Like a third of the movie is improvised anyway.

[@deliciousdex4354]

From the moment I saw the film I said that it would have been better to have Wanda turn after finding out her kids are real while helping Strange instead of some stupid dream. Now that I'm seeing everybody thought the same thing I'm wondering wtf was going through that guy's head.

[@ChineduOpara]

It's almost like the writers never watched "WandaVision" , nor any MCU film that had Wanda in it.

[@tombucannon]

@@ChineduOpara, actually raimi said he didn’t watch Wanda vision and instead was told how it ended and where they wanted her character to go, apparently lnao

[@TalosBjorn]

Yeah Raimi really dropped the ball with this film. Could have been ten times better

[@ChineduOpara]

@@tombucannon Really??? No wonder he dropped the ball! With the MCU you have to watch all the movies that have that character, to better understand the character arc, and *continue it logically* .

[@matthiasck]

Wouldn’t say everybody thought the same thing. Lots of ppl including the actors loved this Sam Raimi version of the movie. And after watching the very silly “Love and Thunder”, it made me appreciate Raimis tone and what they accomplished in Multiverse of Madness a lot more as well.

[@arshadibrahim897]

It sure had Madness but not much of the Multiverse part. Would've loved to see more of that

[@dadaaxel3189]

I agree. I felt like we saw more of the multiverse and how dangerous it was in No Way Home. That scene with the purple cracks in the sky was perfect

[@fredbearchannel976]

It would have been better to call this movie doctor strange spells of madness

[@Lord_Tigerr]

Yeah, the title is misleading. Its more of a Dr Strange vs Wanda movie if anything. Everything Everywhere all at Once is a great example of a multiverse movie compared to Dr Strange, and that movie was made on a $25 million budget.

[@bharath8607]

Clown that is a multiverse introduction movie and it served well . You were expecting a secret wars in this ? 🤓

[@bharath8607]

@@fredbearchannel976 NWH ? 💀

[@VideoGameAutopsy]

That’s the problem I have with Disney. They hire great artists, but never wanna commit to vision they have in place. Back in 2012, they hired Michael Ardnt, the genius behind the scripts for “Little Miss Sunshine”, and “Toy Story 3”, to write the script for what would be become “The Force Awakens”. Things were going good, but Michael said he needed at least 3 years to make the best script he could possibly write, and Disney said “no”. That’s when J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan came in.

[@cloud11_raptor3]

to be fair 3 years is a really long time

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@VideoGameAutopsy, shouldn’t Kevin Feige be held accountable too?

[@addie275]

@@cloud11_raptor3 how did things turn out my friend 😂

[@mudbutt234]

@@cloud11_raptor3 Maybe he was writing the whole trilogy?

[@ohalexosti63]

Also. These directors may have a vision for their movie but not necessarily for the cinematic continuity that the studio has a vision for

[@alfredomontes376]

I was bummed when Scott Derrickson left doctor strange because he's a pretty underrated horror director. The first doctor strange film was great and after watching Sinister and The Black Phone, it really makes me wonder what MOM could've been. We really could've gotten a good marvel film with a good story with some horror/thriller elements. I also feel like Derrickson understands doctor strange more than sam raimi.

[@brunodominguez151]

I dont think the direction was the problem of the movie, in fact it was the best part of it

[@alfredomontes376]

@@brunodominguez151 True. Sam Raimi did the best he could for what he was given.

[@svftystrange]

what you said about derrickson understand strange more is so true. he should return for the third movie

[@StevenEdwardsAudio]

Why would Scott Derrickson understand Sam Raimi?

[@svftystrange]

@@StevenEdwardsAudio no that he understands doctor strange more than Sam Raimi

[@SneaksBL]

The Wanda slow burn makes actual logic sense. The fact that they chose to have her be that corrupt it in the first 20 minutes of the film made absolutely no sense. It would’ve been nice to actually continue to see the progression into the darkness with her and then towards the end see her go for villain, then it would’ve been earned

[@crippninja4664]

As soon as they announced that they were changing directors I knew this movie was gonna be a lot different than it was intended and I was very disappointed I was really looking forward to that

[@therealDuncster]

scott did such a good job with the first movie i already know this one would've been a banger

[@decik7606]

The original cut seemed like strange is more powerful instead of running away for the full movie using Chavez as a getaway car.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@TPR Shadow you can thank Kevin Feige for that. Manz doesn't ask the right questions. Kevin Fegie is probably the reason this got scrapped

[@IferGanomer]

The gradual on-screen descendance to villainy would've been engaging. However, cramming it with Brother Voodoo and Nightmare would've feel way too stuffed. Having Mordo as s villain would've been fine, in accordance to the post-credits scene of the first movie. And than have Wanda filling in the role.

[@MsNikkibuzz]

I def would've preferred the original plan with it being a true horror movie in the mcu. I really didnt like the angle with Wanda. She gave off angry woman who cant have her way although i understand her trauma and hurt she went through. There was no healing process for her at all and then she offed herself. Also I am a Sam Raimi fan and he did great as the director. Just the writing was veryvoff for Wanda for me.

[@lex_rodriguez]

The dark hold corrupted her, that's the main explanation.

[@rats443]

@@lex_rodriguez they never show how darkhold corrupts Wanda

[@chaslous]

@@rats443 bro what’s the point in doin that 😹 that’s jus some filler shit they could’ve added but everybody know story wise that the dark hold is very corruptive

[@thatweirdbwah_]

@@lex_rodriguez and it's a shit explanation

[@faranbutt]

@@chaslous why show the movie at all?? Just wrap it up in 5 minutes or less.

[@Mizinstuf]

I think the original draft sounds great. Wanda switching side at the end of the movie because she could have her childrens makes way more sense than we got. Strange could still end up in the Dark Dimension with Clea. Wanda finally be able to contact Chthon and in the 3rd Dr.Strange movie they could show us a battle between Dormammu and Chthon through proxies such as Strange and Wanda respectively. The original draft could also tie in the concept of dreams with Nightmare as a dimension between universes and it could tease at the idea of how Kang could conquer every universes so easily.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

Mizinstuf you can thank Kevin Feige for that. Manz doesn't ask the right questions

[@conman60545]

I feel like Derricksons version of the movie fits more within the MCU timeline and respects Wanda’s journey and arc into a villain more. And although I love Raimi and like the movie we got, I just don’t think he was the right pick for this movie in particular

[@walkingcubkid]

Sam raimi just directed the movie, which granted he did well with, the real villain to blame for not getting that sequel instead of the one we got is Michael Waldron, the writer of the show Loki. He changed so many things around the script, and because of this douchebag AND Kevin feige for choosing him, they both ruined doctor strange 2 and Loki with one fell swoop…..

[@federicomontoya4782]

I would have love a mix of both version, Wanda needed more expansion into the corruption by the Darkhold, and see here struggle between looking for redemption of Westview events or Recovering her children.

[@Father_Daniel]

I totally agree with that! I really did love the movie but I wish they would have explained the darkhold and it's effects on Wanda a little more. Especially since one of the biggest issues many people have are how fast she turned to a villain

[@Father_Daniel]

@Frig google oh ya, Frank Miller! I loved Sin city and I heard that he did a run of Daredevil! I gotta check that out! Also very true on the wokism !

[@thomasjensen5042]

@Frig google Can you please explain to me what makes Marvel woke?

[@maxmayfield1637]

OMG! That would've make much more sense. So many elements from the first pitch of the movie looks so better. Idk why they decided to change it. They could've simply kept those elements and in the meantime add Raimi's horror elements as well.

[@definitelynotabot1743]

I wish this was the version we got. Wanda's character actually feels like she's naturally progressing from the end of "WandaVision".

[@definitelynotabot1743]

Also, that ad in "WandaVision" episode 7 was clearly setting up her being a Nexus Being. So many missed opportunities.

[@exexsa]

I remember after watching MoM thinking that whoever wrote the script failed to watch/read about Loki, What if and NWH... like those three had more about the multiverse than MoM

[@douglasgw1992]

I think the original script definitely would've felt more like a sequel that still plays into the multiverse saga better than what we ultimately got. The illuminati was cool and all but they we just exposition dumps that could've been done better by the original version in my opinion. Making it tie more heavily into to What If series would've done good for disney plus as people would get a subscription just to see what happens there. I know there are some legal troubles with Shumagoraith and they probably would've just named him "the many angled one" solidifying tittles over names in Marvel properties moving forward. What we got was still fun but this version definitely had better setup for future installments and multiverse shenanigans. Plus would've been a good payoff to have doctor strange, Wanda, Mordo and the purple chick doing magic and battling a multiversal being. Then Wanda turning to the dark side. but hey Thats what happens when directors leave, scripts get rewritten and scenes being reshot. I wish there was a world in where both versions had been shot and compared but this is the world we are in today. The actual release was fun but the OG seems like it would've been way better

[@drixcaster5169]

The original script is way better. It really felt like a sequel than what we've got. Nightmare being the villain and interacting with Wanda would be really entertaining. And The Scarlet Witch character is both a hero and a villain after all. She could switch sides if he wants to.

[@gfyGoogle]

When I left the theater after seeing the movie for the first time, I recall being very confused about the title, which really didn’t make sense. This explains it. Really wish we’d gotten this version of the film.

[@adventuresinportland3032]

There's a lot of great ideas and shots in this film (and I LOVE Sam Rami), but as part of the overall mythology and storytelling of the MCU it just doesn't work, and feels more like a strange fever dream you had in anticipation for the film. When we lost saw Wanda she finished the series at maybe a 3 out of 10 on the villainous scale (after possibly escalating to a 6 or 7 earlier in the series before being talked down) and when we meet her in multiverse she's just BOOM 10/10 evil. It didn't feel earned, and the original plan to gradually bring her back up to Villainy sounds much better. I sort of left the film feeling Like Wanda's story didn't really get sendoff. We also didn't get her resolution with White Vision, so I can't help but feel like they'll have to resurrect her to tie things up.

[@craigs.4302]

They messed up hitting the ground running with Wanda going straight villain. Continuing her redemption arc from West-View only to see her become the villain would have been far better. Cause as it stands now? Hitting the ground running was a huge tonal shift to her and felt like a huge mistake to me. She just didn't feel like the same Wanda who had just fought Agatha all along. It was jarring...and no Vision involved in Multiverse made no sense either.

[@j3fr0uk]

I feel like she was the same Wanda. In WandaVision she enslaves people and worse. This film, she enslaves beasts, kills, tortures and is tryin to basically kill a child.. Still awaiting that redemption arc you mentioned ;)

[@Narrowdark]

what redemption arc?

[@ghostkiller25190]

@@aurochsbeats rewatch wandavision because at the end she definitely felt so type of way for doing what she did

[@Narrowdark]

@@ghostkiller25190 literally means nothing

[@davesouthword1298]

@@j3fr0uk yeah, and she did Westview without being corrupted by the Darkhold! I really don’t see how people think MOM Wanda does not fit with Wandavision Wanda

[@joshuaaboo4767]

This sounds way better then what we got. I also find it strange how Wanda suddenly knows about American Chavez power someone might say she gained knowledge from the darkhold but the that brings the question of why she just didn't take a sling ring which was literally shown in Spider-Man nwh to be able to open portals between universes. So her obsession with Chavez makes no sense with the version of the movie we got.

[@juhigupta5356]

Ned's sling ring in no way home didn't pull Toby and Andrew spiderman from another universes... They has already been pulled into the 616 universe due to dr strange spell going out of control... Ned's sling ring just opened up a portal to the place where Toby and Andrew were on earth 616 itself

[@joshuaaboo4767]

@@juhigupta5356 Even if that might be true the ancient one in Doctor Strange 1 plain down states the sling rings allows them to travel throughout the multiverse.

[@crimelordcw]

Hilarious how that script actually sounds good 😅 and would have made several scenes actually make sense, I also appreciate that Wanda would have actually been trying to redeem herself rather than just see herself as some kind of victim despite her actions, I can't believe how much better that script sounds, how the fuck did they go with what they put out with that as the original idea?

[@juicer9631]

So true

[@MidwestSouthernwriter08241]

4 comptes à rebours : 1. 1, 1443 jours (29/07/22) jusqu'à ce que la 3ème guerre mondiale arrive au Heartland avec Buckeyes. 2. 743 jours à compter de la date ci-dessus, "L'Antéchrist" sera révélé à tous, il nous aidera à nous sauver de nos ennemis pendant la 3e guerre mondiale, puis à sauver les États-Unis, mais ensuite à tout reprendre. Pire qu'une chanson d'Abba des années 1970. 3. Pour les dirigeants ou ceux qui sont au sommet de la religion, de la politique, de la culture pop, de la culture, de la médecine, etc. Ils tomberont et seront jugés par Dieu pour l'avoir aidé ("L'Antéchrist" à monter. Ce compte à rebours est de 1 500 ou moins. Ces figures divines ont été considérées comme des diplomates anonymes lors de négociations internationales. Ils sont une trinité divine d'Abraham, Issacc, Jacob, et Joseph. Je suppose que nous ne sommes plus des "hykos" ou des esclaves. C'est la partie 1. C'est 1 500 ou moins, il sera raccourci pour Israël, son peuple et pour les enfants adoptifs du Messie. 4. C'est la partie 2 , à la fin, l'eau éternelle de la vie, l'agneau, tout-puissant, le Saint-Esprit reviendra à la fin de 1 500 ou moins.Ceci sera raccourci pour les élus, les élus, les croyants d'Israël, le Messie , et ses enfants, après qu'il soit devenu un agneau pour nous à la Pâque.

[@philq9466]

I read there was another version of the script where Sinister Strange defeats 616 Strange and travels to the mainline MCU while 616 remains trapped in Sinisters universe. Would have loved to see that

[@Starkilleraver]

I feel like they could have combined ideas from both of them. I would have liked it to be more of a horror movie with the Multiverse being explored more.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@starkillerraver thank Kevin Feige

[@thephilosopher7173]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Tbh its not alway on Kevin Feige. He's the face, but behind him is an entire board of members who also have say. I feel bad for the guy because if you look back at his catalogue, you can tell he's a fan with a lot on his plate.

[@MidwestSouthernwriter08241]

4 קאָונטדאָוונס: 1. 1, 1443 טעג (29/07/22) ביז WW3 קומט צו די העאַרטלאַנד מיט בוקקייעס. 2. 743 טעג פון די דאַטע אויבן, "די אַנטיטשריסט" וועט זיין אנטפלעקט צו אַלע, ער וועט העלפֿן אונדז ראַטעווען פון אונדזער פיינט אין WW3, און ראַטעווען די USA, אָבער דאַן נעמען איבער עס אַלע. ערגער ווי אן אבא ליד פון די 1970ער יארן. 3. פאר די פירער אדער די וואס זענען אין די היגה און כייץ פון רעליגיע, פאליטיק, פאפ קולטור, קולטור, מעדיצין, אאז"ו ו. זיי וועלן פאַלן און ווערן געמשפט דורך גאָט פֿאַר העלפּינג אים ( "די אַנטיטשריסט" שטייַגן. די קאָונטדאָוון איז 1,500 אָדער ווייניקער. די געטלעך פיגיערז האָבן שוין געזען ווי אַניאַנאַמאַס דיפּלאַמאַץ אין אינטערנאַציאָנאַלע נאַגאָושייישאַנז. זיי זענען אַ געטלעך טריניטי פון אברהם, יססאַק, יעקב, און יוסף. איך מיין אז מיר זענען שוין נישט קיין "היקאָס" אדער קנעכט. דאס איז טייל 1. דאס איז 1,500 אדער ווייניגער, עס וועט פארקירצט ווערן פאר ישראל, זיין פאלק און פאר משיח'ס אנגענומען קינדער. 4. דאס איז טייל 2 , צום סוף, די אייביק וואַסער פון לעבן, די לאם, אלמעכטיקער, דער רוח וועט צוריקקומען אין די סוף פון 1,500 אָדער ווייניקער. דאָס וועט זיין פאַרקירצט פֿאַר די אויסדערוויילטע, די אויסדערוויילטע, די געגלויבט פון די אמונה פון ישראל, דער משיח. און זיינע קינדער, נאָכדעם ווי ער איז פאַר אונדז געוואָרן אַ שעפּס אויף פסח.

[@AceWerewolf]

jesus, that was the movie i wanted. instead we got: wasted opportunities, the movie it was wanda´s movies and nothing else. i love raimi's style but there was no world or plot build up. things just happened. broken movie with good scenes but with no cohesion. it was a dc movie now that i think about it

[@calvinbethea3369]

I’ve always liked the character of the Scarlet Witch in the comics. WandaVision showed here go through the grieving process and come to terms with her loss and seek control over how not to abuse her powers. Having her be a villain seemed like a character back step. It was a missed opportunity to show a woman who has lost it all and survived. The original script seems a bit more thought out than what we got.

[@krishp1104]

Nightmare would be a cool villain to watch seeing as how dreams are alternate realities in the mcu

[@platypusnoise]

So you're telling me we could of got a good actual Doctor Strange sequel

[@tetsurorios9994]

Brother thank you for all the videos you make! Literally the best content and I rank you ahead of all the other channels!!! Thank you for being the best

[@miaubloxofc8420]

We need this version

[@BrownstoneTech]

I would love to see this version of the movie. We lost so much...

[@spidey3448]

I would’ve rather had this story compared to what we got. The Cameos were a complete waste for anyone that thought the characters would survive

[@ghintz2156]

For real...we finally got a Black Bolt that looked and acted pretty accurate. Well he was a little too quirky, but otherwise good. Then they did him dirty. The Illuminati was also introduced and tossed like an afterthought in general. You could focus a movie around them as gray villains and it'd have so much to work with.

[@spidey3448]

@@ghintz2156 with the way Marvel is going with its movies it wants to keep a family comedy vibe going for all its movies my confidence in them pulling off a well fleshed out story has decreased over the course of Phase 4

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@ghintz2156 you can thank Kevin Feige for that. Manz doesn't ask the right questions

[@radjhidisenia8234]

That version would be way greater indeed! A pity that they didn’t do it! Hope one day we will see nightmare in live action.

[@kieranholmes8086]

It’s so clear to me that they just half assed kinda threw in a lot of the multiverse stuff so they could have all the cameos they want rather than taking time on a script that actually delves into the characters

[@marcelyjean-pierre4869]

This is sooooo much better than what we got and now I'm kinda mad lol... great video though.. the Wanda turn just didn't make sense in respect to how we left things in Wandavision.. ugh and I was looking forward to seeing Brother Voodoo as well as a crazed Baron Mordo.. Dr. Strange 1 ending was so pointless because of how they handled Mordo in MoM.. smh

[@kailisamantha8053]

Michael Whaldron is selfish and doesn’t understand what it means to be a writer when he said the words “my perspective was, why are we letting some other movie get the best villain ever?” That’s not how crafting characters works. I love Wanda to pieces and still do, especially after hearing Michael Whaldron speak those words. Wanda’s story could have made much more sense but this man single handedly fucked that up

[@wowzers94]

I would've loved a Dr Strange movie that actually focused on Dr Strange. Otherwise it just feels like "Dr Strange: Next Marvel Product" where they try to fix the stuff they botched in the past while introducing new, worse characters to be eventual replacements.

[@deadpoolnerd]

At least the introduction to Brother Voodoo and Nightmare and Shuma would've had more substance over the illuminati. While awesome the idea and the implications of them existing in the 616 universe, in the movie itself didnt really matter when they all die within seconds. Whereas the other three gives us more characters for other projects or sequels fleshing out the universe further.

[@amandadougherty6615]

I do love this video 3000, and now I want the version where Nightmare uses Wanda but she chooses evil at the end anyway.

[@aakashsivakumar3909]

I would've preferred the scrapped script more than the one we got. The only drawback of the scrapped would've been the multiversal cameos part.

[@StardustGrace]

It’d be crazy if we got a what if episode with the original script

[@alexdawson4571]

Okay. Someone needs to place this somewhere we know the What If...? production team will see it and we can get the original script actualized in some way.

[@livanortega360]

Great video! Loved it

[@RodaMoonknight]

Would've preferred s story more focused on the multiverse and them exploring it than "Cameo here cameo there a cameo will salute you everywhere" Like it was a cool nod, but it just felt like a bit of a mess on that part, just to have them all sliced and diced by Wanda

[@maileannlouie]

I really liked it. I hoped that Agatha would have been fitted in. I just love Katherine Hahn! Personally it should have been Wanda and the Multiverse of Madness because Cumberbatch almost was NOT the focus of attention.i wish Wong could get a Disney + show as Sorcerer Supreme I know I’m not the first one that had this eureka epiphany moment but he has really created a great niche for himself in that part. I didn’t find it a “horror” film. I didn’t expect a lot even with Rami. Did anyone see his brother Ted Rami? Like Gunn Rami always sneaks their brothers in pretty much everything they make. Thanks Paul, waiting for Westworld tomorrow!

[@dranksinatra2493]

Had the order between SM:NWH and DS:MoM been reversed, I can help but wonder how that would have spoken to Strange’s willingness to tamper with multiversal energies given his experience with America and Wanda… 🤔

[@baileydr3480]

There was an early concept art for NWH where America was supposed to be introduced if the release stayed the same and her also being responsible for Tobey Mcguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man to appear in the 616 universe. There was also a plot where Doctor Strange was fighting Mysterio (supposedly alive) on the Statue of Liberty, etc.

[@csandusky5005]

Great research and I'm not surprised they didn't use nightmare yet, as they still have so many dark villains in the roster and an endless amount of stories to tell

[@magpie689]

This sounds so much better than what we got. I like the horror elements in the version we got but this sounds like it could’ve been even scarier.

[@Fuzzy._.l]

My friend didn’t believe me when I told him that Dr. Strange 2 was originally supposed to come before No Way Home

[@natesmemes1794]

*I just want to see Sam Rami's original Horror Cut of Multiverse of Madness that was almost an hour longer before higher ups at Marvel decided to reshoot half of the movie in favor of making it a more "family friendly" film*

[@jovanlopez5284]

Yeah. The original 2hr 40 min cut which we needed 🔥

[@faranbutt]

This was the Raimi Cut lol, the rest of the footage was deleted by Raimi himself

[@edynasilemak9224]

my question is still..why Scott Derrickson didnt get a director seat still?..his vision was..unbelievable creative..

[@gawaniwhitecrow2731]

Good work sir 🙏🏽

[@Tarikkb]

This sounds A LOT better than what they released , the pandemic effecting. The time schedules really messed up these movies because for a studio that plans storylines years before , everything stopping and the release orders mixing up must be hell , I wonder if that’s the reason why phase 4 was incredibly underachieving, maybe everything will fall back into place in phase 5

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@Theo aire you can thank Kevin Feige for that. Manz doesn't ask the right questions. Kevin Fegie is probably the reason this got scrapped

[@Holthis]

Yeah so this alternate version sounds way better than what we actually got. Wtf

[@hassanaslam8487]

Subscribed 2-3 months ago and man i should have subscribed before - great content as always!

[@djtripmix]

Thanks for the info

[@RokazRavenne]

It feels like every MCU movies after Endgame are just one-offs where it doesn’t lead to anything big in the future. I remember back starting from Iron man 1, each movies are leading to something big (avenger series) with infinity stones that aren’t explicitly mention yet shown in hidden forms until Thanos comes up as cameos in severals of them, that is the time we as audience realized that MCU is heading for the Avenger series as well as Infinity War saga. Overall, MCU these days always rushing up everything (except the series, most of them are great)

[@AshHiggins19]

Although I did enjoy the version that was released, I think the original concepts sound a lot better than what we got. I was hoping Nightmare would be a villain in the sequel but as he wasn’t included, I hope we’ll see him in Doctor Strange 3.

[@bobjohnson1633]

Lol it was a really really bad movie with terrible writing and you enjoyed it. No wonder the only make terrible movies. People like you like it

[@faranbutt]

But they kinda ruined the chance to bring in Nightmare, this movie had the perfect setup to bring him in

[@jdc7323]

Loved this!

[@the_horror_fan]

I remember when Scott said to an audience Dr. Strange will be a horror movie. First in Marvel. Kevin Feige said no, no, no. Yet it was a horror movie.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

you can thank Kevin Feige for that. Manz doesn't ask the right questions

[@sigmacademy]

04:04. "Why should another movie get the best villain ever?" Then why the HELL did you (the writer guy in the video) as a writer try to redeem her at the end? (despite having her being evil, then good, then evil, then good, then being evil, then good - yes, that's actually MCU cinematic history, right there based on the movies and TV series the character has been in)?

[@lordvenjix3757]

Nightmare should became the villain of Dr Strange 3.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@Lord Venjix has Nightmare been in any good comics?

[@Nzzertral]

It doesn't help that the only way for her turning to not feel so sudden is to watch her disney+ show where you see more of that gradually gets more and more unhinged and gets ahold of the dark hold. Even then her suddenly just deciding everyone is an enemy and being corrupted by the dark hold still felt like a pretty quick transition

[@faranbutt]

it was just a cop out

[@Nzzertral]

@@faranbutt fr it really was.

[@Cougar88888]

All I can think about when I see Dr Strange is 'why did they give him his yellow gloves and then take them away'..

[@viveks9954]

It wasnt a roller coaster, it was a mess.. Scarlet witches powers were so inconsistent that it felt frustrating to just watch. She killed the illuminati without even trying, but shes struggling to kill chavez, wong and strange.. They cud hav atleast made the illuminati fight scene a bit more challenging..

[@TomsTube]

This character arc would’ve been so much more palatable after the schlock that we got…. I was so disappointed with this part of the film. It really didn’t sync up to how they left things in WandaVision.

[@davesouthword1298]

It ties in perfectly with how they left Wandavision. She was reading the Darkhold and hearing the cries of her children at the end of Wandavision.

[@TomsTube]

@@davesouthword1298 So that means she goes around killing people without remorse to steal some other Wanda’s children from her, whether they want to or not?!?! Definitely fits in with the remorseful Wanda who learnt the errors of abusing her powers to help her with her grief, and that an individual’s right to make their own decisions is better than brainwashing an entire town to safe-guard her from herself 🤦🏻‍♂️… I get that the Darkhold is a destructive evil force that corrupts her, but they could’ve shown that transition in character gradually to make it feel more authentic… Not just “Wanda is evil now, enjoy!”…. Would’ve made more sense if Wanda went evil straight after Endgame, but not like this. Great execution by Elizabeth Olsen, but was poorly written and completely undid any character growth she developed in her series.

[@OhioKing_Z]

@@davesouthword1298 Yeah I think some people forgot to watch the end credits scene lol Not saying this guy forgot but some fans in general.

[@MidwestSouthernwriter08241]

4 ספירות לאחור: 1. 1, 1443 ימים (29/07/22) עד שמלחמת העולם השלישית תגיע ל-The Heartland with Buckeyes. 2. 743 ימים מהתאריך שלמעלה, "האנטיכריסט" יתגלה לכולם, הוא יעזור להציל אותנו מאויבינו במלחמת העולם השלישית, ואז להציל את ארה"ב, אבל אז להשתלט על הכל. יותר גרוע משיר של אבא משנות ה-70. 3. למנהיגים או לאלה בשיא הדת, הפוליטיקה, תרבות הפופ, התרבות, הרפואה וכו'. הם יפלו וישפטו על ידי אלוהים על שעזר לו ("האנטיכריסט" לעלות. הספירה לאחור זו היא 1,500 או פחות. הדמויות האלוהיות הללו נתפסו כדיפלומטים כלשהם במשא ומתן בינלאומי. הם שילוש אלוהי של אברהם, יצחק, יעקב, ויוסף. אני מניח, אנחנו כבר לא "הייקוס" או עבדים. זה חלק 1. זה 1,500 או פחות, זה יקצר עבור ישראל, עמו, ועבור ילדיו המאומצים של המשיח. 4. זה חלק ב' , בסוף, מי החיים הנצחיים, הכבש, הכול יכול, רוח הקודש יחזרו בסוף 1,500 או פחות. זה יקצר עבור הנבחרים, הנבחרים, מאמיני האמונה של ישראל, המשיח , וילדיו, לאחר שנעשה לנו כבש בפסח.

[@gfyGoogle]

@@OhioKing_Z no, we all watched that scene, the transition was still terrible

[@DJMilez]

Yeah I think I would have preferred that original concept they had in mind

[@GloKageTre]

This sounds SO MUCH BETTER

[@JC-vy9lp]

I want to see Brother Voodoo in one way or another for the third Doctor Strange

[@bobjohnson1633]

That's really a terrible idea. Dude has like 3 powers

[@C_Har]

Everything Everywhere all at Once is a great multiverse movie. Much better than the recent Doctor Strange movie

[@anubusx]

Very true.

[@maxpower7113]

I like this version a lot better. Less Gimmicky with the Illuminati and the many parts seemed to be better handled rather than stuck together with glue like what we got. Also less eye-rolling Raimiisms

[@MidwestSouthernwriter08241]

4 cuentas regresivas: 1. 1, 1443 días (29/07/22) hasta que WW3 llegue a The Heartland con Buckeyes. 2. 743 días a partir de la fecha anterior, "El Anticristo" se revelará a todos, nos ayudará a salvarnos de nuestros enemigos en la Tercera Guerra Mundial, luego salvará a los EE. UU., pero luego se hará cargo de todo. Peor que una canción de Abba de los 70. 3. Para los líderes o aquellos en las cumbres de la religión, la política, la cultura pop, la cultura, la medicina, etc. Caerán y serán juzgados por Dios por ayudarlo a ascender ("El Anticristo". Esta cuenta regresiva es de 1.500 o menos. Estas figuras divinas han sido vistas como diplomáticos anónimos en negociaciones internacionales. Son una trinidad divina de Abraham, Issacc, Jacob, y Joseph. Supongo que ya no somos "hykos" o esclavos. Esta es la Parte 1. Esto es 1,500 o menos, se acortará para Israel, su pueblo y para los hijos adoptivos del Mesías. 4. Esta es la parte 2 , al final, El Agua Eterna de Vida, El Cordero, Todopoderoso, El Espíritu Santo regresará al final de 1500 o menos. Esto se acortará para Los Elegidos, Los Elegidos, Los creyentes de la fe de Israel, El Mesías , y sus hijos, después que se hizo cordero por nosotros en la Pascua.

[@NIGHTGUYRYAN]

i like that the darkhold is like instantly corrosive (and look forward to agatha and wanda discussing it over coffee). wanda's always kinda been villainous and its kinda funny how we sympathize with her so much we refuse to fully accept. also would have gladly taken another hour (the batman felt like a chore at 3 hours, but mom was a whirlwind. too fast because it was sooo enjoyable).

[@bat-seal6293]

For a movie called Multiverse of madness in both versions doesn't seem to have much Multiverse

[@JNamikaze98]

I loved the movie we got but i gotta be honest this version sounds 10000x better

[@Babu_raju_shyam]

Yeah doctor strange 2 and thor love and thunder are best movie of marvel , civil war and first doctor strange suck. Wanda vision best marvel show, daredevil is shit.

[@xavierramirez1911]

so basically the writer’s idea wasn’t “i want to choose a villain that makes sense for the story” it was, “i want to use up this villain before anyone else does” that’s like using up thanos in a thor movie

[@MoistMan772]

The jokes on this one 🤣. Keep the content coming. Thank you Paul.

[@phichau90]

Whatttt damn. I wanted Scott version

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@Khin David you can thank Kevin Feige for that. Manz doesn't ask the right questions. Kevin Fegie is probably the reason this got scrapped

[@firstlast9846]

*I’m just confused as to how fans get excited* for a director being attached to an MCU project… the only thing you’ll see from the director is their style - other than that - it’s not even their movie or vision.

[@michaelwilley65]

Brilliant 🙌🏼❤️👍🏼

[@NiaNeuman]

Yep, this version sounds more like what I was looking for.

[@kennethbemister7334]

I liked the MoM that we got but the movie that you are describing was 100 percent what I thought we would be getting and imo feels like it makes a lot of sense universe wise

[@seancook440]

So, because the writer wanted “greatest villain ever”, he thought if he made Wanda an avengers level threat in the very beginning he’d have himself an Avengers level movie. Smh… Was he being selfish or stupid? You could have showed her get to that point slowly over a few movies. Vision is out there, Wonderman is about to be introduced, XMen are coming. I didn’t love WandaVision, but it was enuff to start the chain of things leading to her being “Thanos level avengers threat”. Hey, but who am I? Maybe the writers for Thor Dark World should have just used Thanos with the full Gauntlet instead of the Elves!? 😂 these writers are bad. Sorry-

[@kitkatcoz]

Nicely done

[@heavyspoilers]

Thank you

[@bradasstv]

You know something that's bugged me since this movie came out is the title. I feel like they should have called it DS AND the Multiverse of Madness and then it's kind of like DS and the Mom. The title they went with suggests DS IN the mom lol

[@eddyr6141]

They should do an animated movie about how it was supposed to be, I'd love to see it, mostly if it's a two part

[@UrWack007]

Multiverse of Madness was so disconnected from any of the MCU continuity and relied too much on the actors being cool, and nothing about the story. Dr. Strange as the protagonist went through no meaningful development as a character. I loved the cameos, but this movie missed the mark and could have done so much more for 1) pushing the entirety of the MCU in a new direction and 2) Dr. Strange's character development. In their attempt to "use the best villain in the MCU", they rushed Wanda to a dark place without any emotional weight. Wandavision ends with us unsure of what direction Wanda will go next. This movie had the advantage of the entire fanbase basically being in love with Elizabeth Olsen and instead of maximizing her journey as a character, they rushed it because they wanted to be the ones to show "Scarlet Witch vs Dr Strange". Sam Raimi was the wrong choice for this film and had openly admitted to not having seen a lot of the MCU movies. "Doing horror" is more than just tropes. It has to be intentional. This movie went from a children's monster flick to a strictly auditory jump scare tactic with no heart. The only reason to rewatch the released version of the film is for the cameos because of the fan-service they provided. Beyond that, the movie fumbled the ball after Scott Derickson set up so much potential.

[@ioaninmihail6470]

What fan service regarding cameos , the illuminati were nerfed to barely thugs with a sprinkle of powers , was a joke . And what a seen from a mile woke move , let's kill the guys in one second and in brutal way just to have a longer girl fight power , yay ... Doctor Strange is just a sidekick who just gives a speech to a girl for the final fight , he doesn't even participate in the final fight of his so called "own movie " 😅🤣 . They did them so dirty . I've stopped watching Marvel movies after this mess , such a slap on the face for the fanbase .

[@christopheralejandro3286]

Awesome job with your breakdown! I would have preferred the first version

[@MidwestSouthernwriter08241]

4 Countdowns : 1. 1, 1443 ημέρες (29/07/22) μέχρι να έρθει ο WW3 στο The Heartland with Buckeyes. 2. 743 ημέρες από την παραπάνω ημερομηνία, ο "Αντίχριστος" θα αποκαλυφθεί σε όλους, θα μας βοηθήσει να σώσουμε από τους εχθρούς μας στον 3ο Παγκόσμιο Πόλεμο, μετά να σώσουμε τις ΗΠΑ, αλλά μετά να τα αναλάβει όλα. Χειρότερο από ένα τραγούδι των Abba από τη δεκαετία του 1970. 3. Για τους ηγέτες ή όσους βρίσκονται στα ύψη και τα ύψη της θρησκείας, της πολιτικής, της ποπ κουλτούρας, του πολιτισμού, της ιατρικής κ.λπ. Θα πέσουν και θα κριθούν από τον Θεό επειδή τον βοήθησαν ("Ο Αντίχριστος" να ανέλθει. Αυτή η αντίστροφη μέτρηση είναι 1.500 ή λιγότερο. Αυτές οι θεϊκές φιγούρες έχουν θεωρηθεί ως ανώνυμοι διπλωμάτες στις διεθνείς διαπραγματεύσεις. Είναι μια θεϊκή τριάδα των Αβραάμ, Ισαάκ, Ιακώβ, και ο Joseph. Υποθέτω, δεν είμαστε πια "hykos" ή σκλάβοι. Αυτό είναι μέρος 1. Αυτό είναι 1.500 ή λιγότερο, θα μειωθεί για το Ισραήλ, το λαό του και για τα υιοθετημένα παιδιά του Μεσσία. 4. Αυτό είναι μέρος 2 , στο τέλος, Το Αιώνιο Νερό της Ζωής, Το Αρνί, Παντοδύναμος, Το Άγιο Πνεύμα θα επιστρέψει στο τέλος των 1.500 ή λιγότερο. Αυτό θα συντομευτεί για τους Εκλεκτούς, τους Εκλεκτούς, τους πιστούς της πίστης του Ισραήλ, τον Μεσσία , και τα παιδιά του, αφού μας έγινε αρνί στο Πάσχα.

[@redpanda9367]

Strange and America’s multiverse trip somehow setting off some kind of super incursion would be a cool way to tie up that loose end, too.