A Long Discussion on the Right - with Kristi Winters

[@KOLN555]

Destiny got destroyed in this polite conversation.

[@muslimmetalman]

Polite Conversations is a fantastic podcast.

[@alpalka6901]

Huzaifa Ahmed ayyy Eiynah fans represent

[@GeoNeilUK]

" KOLN555, DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!! Kristi showed no remorse! No warning, no lube, just gone straight for the kill and ripped Destiny's f*gity ass panties apart!!!!!! " And that's why the opinion of Muslims lvivng in the fuckinbg West don;t count (not that Pat Condell, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris or Donald Trump have ever said anything like that)

[@OG-zr3bw]

Did you just equate sam harris and ayaan hirsi ali to trump? WutFace

[@GeoNeilUK]

"Did you just equate sam harris and ayaan hirsi ali to trump? WutFace" Did you just admit that you hate Muslims *and* Trump? WutFace Harristianity is a powerful religion.

[@majortrash9190]

Wow talking to an actual human for 2h, thats really rare on this channel. I really enjoyed this.

[@Seregnaug]

Agreed

[@GeoNeilUK]

Shame she financially supported a murderer who dehumainised Muslims.

[@GeoNeilUK]

"context?" The Skeptic Feminist

[@preachypreachpreachypreach7174]

''an actual human'' Strawman smug progressive, come to life

[@rlrnilecroc]

GeoNeilUK Citation needed or gtfo

[@rjuram]

he didn't say "I love you buddy" to her at the end :(

[@flyingmantis-u9u]

Bit much for the first time no? Also buddy, she has a vaaggiiiinne. Different dynamic with saying I love you then with a penis holder. P.s yes. I just assumed she had a vaaggiiynneee

[@JPIBinsane]

He says buddy to pretty much anyone whether or not they got a vagaina.

[@flyingmantis-u9u]

woke comrade Whoa buddy!! Watch your ageism...nothing wrong with being a 9 year old. And, hey, if 9 is good enough for JF I don't give a fuck what's good enough for you.

[@flyingmantis-u9u]

Dave Rubin's Disappointed Dad JFs reponse in French accent: net reeeaallyy. 9 year Olds are yuunnggg enuufff to stay silent but eldd enuuuff to represent white womanhood for my massster race geenness to get wwoorrkeddd uuuppp.

[@skepticmoderate5790]

@@oliverluup11 False. He doesn't say it to avowed white nationalists or other people he finds morally deplorable. He only says it to people he finds palatable. Therefore, it's not ironic.

[@haideraltimimi492]

Ive admired this woman ever since she destroyed sargon and made him look like an idiot in that debate

[@peterheke]

As much as I love Kristi, Sargon did at least 50% of the work there.

[@Julius064]

I respect your view but beating Sargoon in a debate is not a high bar.

[@Monalisa-to9wz]

haider altimimi that was amazing. Especially the end Sargon was babbling like a maniac

[@peterheke]

You should watch the debate even so. It's not just that Sargon trips over his own ego, but Kristi comes equipped with evidence and a structured argument.

[@Blahidontcare11]

MrCarcosa the trick is to let them do all the work in destroying themselves.

[@Alexander-th6nl]

Great debate Steven! But I think it was a bit unnecessary to call her the N word throughout. Anyway, keep up the good work!

[@VexRep]

He also gave DAMN. a Lil Pump/10 What a fucking manlet lmaooooooooooo

[@runningohfive]

Vexed An4l Reprobate I thought he gave it a Melon/10?

[@Avenger222]

+Bruno de Mattos Prove that it didn't happen! :^)

[@andybenji6651]

Never thought I'd see a Needledrop meme here.

[@LAIDBACKMANNER]

omogetskämt xd Haha... Great troll, man.

[@Monalisa-to9wz]

Weird hearing a smart person talk to destiny

[@aid-96]

Dejay he talked to shkrili before

[@IAmShouTucker]

Aid- You mean the one who is the CEO of the pharma company? I do not agree with some of her SJW issues. Not sure about what her political views are economically.

[@GeoNeilUK]

"I do not agree with some of her SJW issues." SJW issues like the opinion of Muslims living in the fucking West don't count? I mean, yeah, she might have financially supported a male feminist who shot his girlfriend in the back for tying to leave him... but that male feminist was right about them Muslims though, amirite?

[@IAmShouTucker]

"I do not agree with some of her SJW issues." From the little I have seen of her, not really agreed with what she said cause it was shit. Just saying. Not seen more than 20 minutes of her. Why I said that. Because the things she said was factually wrong.

[@GeoNeilUK]

"From the little I have seen of her, not really agreed with what she said cause it was shit. Just saying. Not seen more than 20 minutes of her. Why I said that. Because the things she said was factually wrong." But if you disagree with most people, their argument is... _OK, we have a difference of opinion here, you might not have understood but I'll expalin myself and see if we can work this out._ Disagree with Kritsi Winters fans... _OMGWTFBBQ u r tyeh opbsesssive wit der guolt by asocaition (but u tal kto teh Jenny McMaidenName even though Jenny;s married and doesn't go by her maiden name anymore) and u mek teh ad hominems even though I mek the ad hominems agsainst you _*_REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_*

[@DahVoozel]

Oh no! Destiny is talking to the feminist that cites data and has more than a surface level understanding of it! Abort! Abort!

[@diamonddogi3387]

False data, for example saying whites are overrepresented in shootings edition.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/index.html

[@diamonddogi3387]

No? I'm not sure what you mean. I was just pointing out a factual error Destiny didn't catch, calm down buddy

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

anton hexler yea because feminists have NEVER had any affect on the real world... Lmao you people are too funny

[@SP-dj9kl]

"Data". "Data". For the record, made up numbers in social science journals is not considered "data".

[@rlrnilecroc]

Practical application isn't exploiting everyone around you for a profit.

[@GibbousTheGame]

This chick was a great guest. Nice to have the odd intelligent person every once in a while.

[@horizon92lee]

Lol chat, “she’s so reasonable, not used to this” accurate

[@muslimmetalman]

What the fuck, citations needed

[@SP-dj9kl]

She's not so reasonable. She's using basic ASMR tactics. Presentation over substance.

[@rlrnilecroc]

S P "ASMR tactics" That's not a thing. You ignore the substance.

[@SP-dj9kl]

@rlasdjkawdl It is now, she's just trying to sound reasonable, rather than say reasonable things. It should be quite obvious why she's saying these things: she's a woman, and therefore has a conflict of interest in being a feminist She wants to be a victim because a victim without a crime is actually a good thing, and means you get people feeling sorry for you and paying you damagesShe wants to be oppressed because this lowers her standards and gives her an out for underpreforming.She wants to say that she is being discriminated against because this means that she "should" be getting more than she is currently getting. Any twerp with an ability to adopt positions for pure self interest and who just wants to get more money at their job will do what she's doing currently, and it's not surprising.

[@sanders555]

@@SP-dj9kl Her motivations are irrelevant. Whether she's only in it for the money, she wants to make the world a better place, or she's being held at gunpoint doesn't change a single goddamn thing about the validity of her arguments. Your motivations are more obvious, but still irrelevant, to the point that your comments are as petulant as they are vapid.

[@georglieber2158]

Destiny that was actually a nice discussion, please do one of these for at least every third garbage fire bud. Look at how many different topics you get to cover when your talking to a real human lol.

[@jackskellingtonsora]

This conversation makes me really want to see a debate between Destiny and Contrapoints on Capitalism. Since it's two reasonable people talking it would be very interesting.

[@MaleTears]

@@mostlypeaceful5621 you're joking right? She's not a communist and how does being trans mean you're not reasonable? Then again, you must be a troll. Surely someone with any coherent thought processes couldn't arrive to your conclusion.

[@romanski5811]

I'd like to see that, too.

[@dominion3441]

30:39 I like that term, Status-Quo Warrior, can we use this?

[@drkmwinters]

Tuskor Freely. It's been widely used.

[@muslimmetalman]

Jim Sterling came up with it IIRC?

Yeah, I like it even better than Social Injustice Warriors.

But who cares what a brainless Sargophant thinks?

[@IceAngler]

I've had very little positive exposure to Kristi Winters before this. This was really eye opening. I enjoyed it very much.

[@EricVsEverything]

Destiny please look up Secular Talk and consider having him on a stream, I feel like it'd be a really dope conversation

[@wordsforgeeks3225]

Yes. Kristi has a certain air of smugness that turns people off while the alt-light are completely wrong but approachable. Secular Talk is like a normal guy who is also smart... and he doesn't make it seem that extraordinary.

[@RubyofBlue]

Oh my fucking god yes, that'd be amazing.

[@AlexB3333]

I really hope Kyle and Destiny reach each other, maybe can change Destiny the way he see some stuff?

[@MFMegaZeroX7]

I stopped following Secular Talk after he constantly repeated the conservative "stupid liberals and there SAFE SPACES! LOLOLOL!"

[@AlexB3333]

MegaZeroX7 wow that's a huge problem on this society. So you need a safe space for it?

[@EricVulgaris]

I absolutely loved this video. What a cool level-headed discussion between you too. I want to see more content like this!

[@Leinad44]

I like Kristie, but I feel she lets herself get dragged into dumb drama stuff a little too often.

[@jamesmeow3039]

I can see that

[@AFollowerOfCanti]

Didn't she dox bearing?

[@AmineSamus]

I still love people who think sargon won that debate against her.

[@soniFloatingAbout]

The entirety of youtube does.

[@warmlycalculated390]

By "entirety of youtube" I assume you mean the skeptosphere echo chamber, yeah?

[@aimeeterese7050]

‘I’ve only seen your content when you’ve debated idiots’

[@peterheke]

That sentence could lose about 40% of its content and still carry the same meaning.

[@alexhutchinson4138]

"Ah, so you've seen all of my content"

[@peterheke]

National Realist is the guy who stands in the corner at parties muttering into his drink.

[@peterheke]

Lol. I'm a white guy from the UK. And you're a loser.

[@peterheke]

MrCarcosa is a username. Your real name isn't Nationalist Realist, now, is it? Carcosa is a city from a book (those things you don't read enough of?) by Robert Chambers. The only thing Mexican about me is the spicy cheese my girlfriend bought at the shop last week. Anyway buddy, you've obviously got some issues to work through. Once you stop tossing racial slurs out at strangers, go sort yourself out. Best of luck.

[@MSworda]

debate destroyed got destiny this in

[@p3l1k44n1]

in got destiny debate this destroyed

[@BirdGangCA]

Ford M Garage got destiny destroyed this in debate

[@hedge5818]

destiny got destroyed in this debate

[@earthwormzim]

Couldn't handle he robust her arguments Feminist.

[@metallauri]

meme nice

[@johnneidlinger4485]

"You can lead an Anti- to Logic, but you can't make them think." Wow I love it, she's way funnier than I thought.

[@katobytes]

"Status Quo Warriors" DAMN that's a good term.

[@N01773H]

Status Quorriors?

[@asdg199]

47:39 Destiny would disagree with you there.

[@ralphmartin5191]

You mean people that own their country not wanting their ancestors hard work taken away to be given to jumped up minorities ? Right.... 😂😂😂😂

[@katobytes]

Ralph Martin If that's what you think it means, sure. I just like how it sounds. It's got a ring to it just like Social Justice Warriors so its funny.

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

Ralph Martin "own their country" LMAO sure, bud.

[@DC2040]

Saw this on the live stream but missed the first half so a big thanks for uploading. What a great change of pace from debating with "passionate" people to just simply having a nice level headed discussion that doesn’t evolve into a yelling match with never ending loops of Ad hominem attacks. I understand that much of the appeal is in the drama but it’s a nice change of pace to simply balance out a lot of the negativity these discussions/debates tend to create. Great content Destiny, I hope you talk with her again sometime.

[@adamschlinker972]

What's wrong with sounding like an SJW? Social Justice is something not worth fighting for?

[@dagtadagta]

Well as i understand it, the point of the term SJW is to imply how someone fights for social justice. They are warriors, not debaters or commentators, the implication is that someone who is a sjw is someone who treats political conflict like a war, and are not emotionally stable individuals.

[@el5880]

Its used to make fighting for social justice seem stupid.

[@Dabios]

Wtf I didn't loose IQ points watching a Destiny video...

[@vannie27]

That's great but now you can gain and IQ point: *lose* ;-)

[@GeoNeilUK]

Amd maybe you can gain *an* IQ point. :p

[@vannie27]

Gottem! But the other dudes is still worse 😅

[@MrScary-rz8od]

The entire IQ testing system was created by an open racist to discredit and oppress black people. I watch Adam Ruins Everything, I'm like, a smart person...

[@MrScary-rz8od]

Martin1911 Oh. Then Id say the reptilians did a real good score on killing 89.9% of the brain cells floating around in your noggin. Id recommend a tin foil hat, but its too late. Way to late. The best you could do is pre purchase your slot at a retirement home when the early reptilian dementia and loose bowl syndrome kicks in. So when your shitting your pants on the daily and drooling all over the floor from your wheelchair at the ripe age of 53, you'll at least have the piece of mind to knowing there will be someone there to wipe your ass and feed you slop at the end of the day. Just don't expect much from life. Holding that kind of hatred in your heart will definitely affect your game with getsing the bitches. Think about it. Seek out only nazi chicks. Or just throw yourself into a sea of pussy. Its less work hating people for absolutely no reason. But then again, I never had an inbred family spewing their hate shit in my face growing up... What eva. Have a nice day Mr. Nazi 😘

[@Skrebo96]

Holy shit I almost frgot how its about listening to someone who's not obsessed with race of people, gender or their religion. FeelsGoodMan

[@herny45]

Insomnia322 I would say you're right, but then I think back to the feminist obsession with "White privilege". If that isn't race, then what is it based in? Then they're also obsessed with gender and sex (literally any video sperging out about the patriarchy).

[@adammartin5931]

That is actually a misconstruction of their arguments regarding "white privilege" and the issues that come with gender and sex. White privilege does not describe a race - it's a description of a long standing bias that has been created over decades and even centuries of socialization in countries that have a majority of white citizens. Much of the literature and thought of western society has grown from the work of peoples that herald from European ancestry. Since they tended to share that background as well as religion (Christianity), there was and still is a strong tendency to treat a white European male as the default standard to which things are ascribed. For example, many medical texts refer to the average "person" as a white male with a muscular build and of a particular height. This is despite the fact that half the population is literally not male, a sizable portion of males on Earth are not white / European, and a large component of the very people it is supposed to describe don't fit the mold created (large part of white males are short, overweight and far from the "maximum potential" of humanity). Much of the work of modern feminist thinking has been to impinge against this long held "norm" as it is anything but. There are far more variations within humanity than the "norm".

[@Feeble_cursed_one]

Straw man destiny Edit: I fucking loved listening to this 2 hour conversation. Level headed people lovely voices in this video! Every now and then, circlejerks are nice

[@fograw5]

Paul Saiz ehhhh, it was pretty lame

[@asdg199]

Destiny says he kinda wants to kill dave rubin because he wants to watch soccer without political ads. Yep, very level headed.

[@Feeble_cursed_one]

asdg199 Do you understand hyperbole? Destiny just really hates Dave Rubin for being disengenous and stupid.

[@asdg199]

Paul Saiz Hyperbole, ad homin, strawmen. These words are supposed to help people call out toxic and/or unhelpful practises. If someone while hyperventilating proclaims that he is literally about to cross the line of no return which is murder, and you think some word invented a hundred years ago can prevent someone from expressing that. Then at the very least you are abusing that term.

[@Feeble_cursed_one]

Hyperventilating? Are we watching the same video? Hyperbole is making a statement or claim that is not to not be taken seriously. However, Destiny caught himself too, and he corrected himself because he foresaw people making comments like this.

[@adamhickey3181]

Please more of these kinds of discussions Destiny. This was a great "palate cleanser" compared to shouting at idiots

[@mariusthienenkamp6588]

watching this is so soothing after having gotten through the 6 hour screamfest and the baked alaska nonsense

[@eartianwerewolf]

*massages shoulders and hands tea* Lets chillax, bud.

[@6idangle]

So true abnout the mommy and daddy welfare point. I am 25 and in law school and just the way things are I have to depend still on my parents income otherwise I would be 150,000 in debt rather than only 50k. I have fellow classmates who don't recognize the irony of depending on parental income until your mid 20s but still spew conservative welfare talking points. It is kind of shitty having to live this way and saps a bit out of you makes you feel like a kid still , but I at least try and recognize how lucky I am and recognize that people who didnt grow up like me wouldn't have the same opportunity.

[@liamo6756]

This was a really nice convo, it's refreshing to have this so open and relaxed after everything else that's gone down recently

[@rlrnilecroc]

There having a conversation you fucktard.

[@ordohereticus3427]

The good old days when this channel used to be somewhat noble in its unrelenting approach to denouncing right wing reactionaries rather than playing faux contrarian centrism.

[@1Nostrand1]

Her voice is so soothing.

[@ViolentVegan]

My productive evening got destroyed by this debate

[@gkys111]

Great video! You should have more discussions with Kristi

[@Avenger222]

1:54:20 - Destiny isn't making that bomber story up. It happened at the Asheville North Carolina airport in mid October 2017.

[@celinak5062]

+

[@tarique583]

Wow! I must say it was nice to hear from someone intelligent. Was an enjoyable couple of hours thanks for the content mate.

[@14ghostdragon]

Destiny in all seriousness, you need to start networking and having people like this on ur side. Tired of going on ur twitter and its just a bunch of ignorant right wingers hating who bring up shit when it should be the other way around. Like this andy shit with the podcasts and stuff, it should be with u that bring spencer and things of that natural.

[@justinwilliams6971]

Im new to your channel but I love your debates keep them up

[@hpebackwards]

My father is a preschool teacher. I'm a male training to be a nurse. Both professions are very very female dominated. Personally I don't care a whole lot, equality of outcome is never something I'd push for, but when the gender disparities are as huge as they are (male early childhood teachers make up less than 1% in my country) I think it's reasonable to assume there are some systemic or cultural/social factors detering men from entering certain professions. Don't mean to sound like a MRA or anything, I just disagree with that point that only women are told what they can and can't do career-wise.

[@DuppyBoii187]

Kristi is great, she has well thought out beliefs even if you disagree.

[@mytwosense]

this was really good.

[@TheMrMacintosh]

All I knew about Kristi was that she was a SJW and therefore bad. I never watched any of her videos, yet I have this idea of her because of people like Sargon. She's smart. Way smarter than he is.

[@codybarlik4524]

Tim Van Aelst that’s the shitty thing about today. People can just throw a label on someone and other people will take that at face value. People on the right do that with “SJW” and people on the left do it with “nazi”. People are too lazy to actually look into people they’re told to disagree with

[@vargonian]

It's nice to hear Kristi not through Bearing's lens for a change.

[@AIRoose92]

At 1:0:04; holy crap a mention of one of the biggest subjects in philosophy, 'truth'. I would love to see a debate, well more of a discussion on that.

[@thejosh0000001]

That last part. I would love to see a group of 5 people from each tax bracket give their opinions on their own economic status, those above, and those below them. Think it would really open people's eyes as to how much rationalization they do when they're being judged by super rich people the same way they judge super poor people.

[@TheArtkaw]

The "fundamental attribution error" segment (an hour in) was actually really interesting 🤔

[@pathocrat]

Kristi brought up a scene from I, Claudius that she described as two actors discussing the state of the theatre. Wrong. One of the men was the poet Horace, the other was a herald for Augustus and a former actor (Horace was impressed with his booming voice and correctly guessed that he worked in the theatre, leading to the discussion). It's clear that Kristi lost this debate.

[@louispearson8306]

MORE PEOPLE LIKE THIS PLEASE DESTINY!

[@sarahlynn7807]

This is probably the smartest person you've ever spoken to. Imagine her speaking next to Britney. Who's state would have the better waifs?

[@sachxtrem]

No shes actually pretty dense. Martin Skreli would probably the smartest person hes ever had. Christy isnt even in the top 10.

[@sarahlynn7807]

Yeah the guy in jail for fraud is the smart one not a contributing researcher with a PHD.

[@EveryTimeV2]

When someone is using "facts over feels" on the internet and just calling you names, this isn't even intended to be an argument. This is the equivalent of hitting someone and laughing. Though it isn't really 'hitting' you're still basically just taunting and shit talking someone. It's an aggressive attack. It's best to see these people as the psychopaths that they are. Who just inflict pain on others for their own amusement and only find joy in the idea that you can do nothing about it.

[@JPrescottQ]

Something I am confused about. When Winters talked about communion and agency, she noted that males tend to gain in communion over time such that their mean is very close to women in old age; and to my understanding she indicated a higher communion score is an indicator of someone who leans left politically. However, my sense is that the elderly tend to have a natural leaning towards conservatism. If both of these assumptions are true, how does she square that circle?

[@drkmwinters]

Jacob Prescott The descriptive means change over time, but only but a few points. E.g. if a younger cohort's mean is 6 on a 0-15 point scale, the oldest cohort might be 9. It's enough of a change between generations to be measured but that doesn't mean that shift pushes men uniformly to the political left. There are much bigger influenced on vote choice such as party id. Hope that helps!

[@JPrescottQ]

Yeah I think it does! If I understand you correctly, other factors outweigh communion in terms of political leanings. Might it even be true that a high communion score at an earlier age will have a statistically significant correlation with left political leanings, but a higher score among the elderly does not? i.e despite becoming more socially aware, voting for rightwing for decades prior to this shift creates an identity that overshadows their more recent social awareness?

[@drkmwinters]

Jacob Prescott My research didn't examine effects over time. The first question was: are gendered measures diff from sex and can they explain outcomes. My measures don't explain a lot of variation but they explain more than man/woman.

[@6gabriel9]

great timing my dude !!!

[@bikingviking2743]

You need more of these discussions with qualified and educated people who can help you deconstruct the faulty thinking of those you debate

[@muslimmetalman]

Exactly. More left unity & increase & support of these platforms, the best way to destroy the right is to advance the left. Get Jared Holt, David Sherratt, Music Man Mike, show off our best & upcoming IMHO

[@bikingviking2743]

Huzaifa Ahmed can't say I'm familiar with those names... either way, the right leaning people that Destiny has brought on are so out of their scope that they hang themselves, Destiny even points it out for them, yet they'll pull their own noose harder... I'll have to check out those mentioned people, Ahmed

[@sabdude6391]

This feeling..... I don’t want to end humanity after destiny video this is new.

[@XxImBlessedxX]

I love her

[@equal2236]

Can we keep her ? :3

[@Cleavemonsta]

Finally someone that can actually debate logically and not constantly default to strawmen.

[@pathocrat]

Muh logic screeched the esjaydoubleyou.

[@MFMegaZeroX7]

This is really good! There was a lot of really good discussion about some things I never thought about before. I've always been a fan of Kristi's, and Destiny had a quote that I am going to be saving: "There are a lot of people on the left who think that you should never talk to these people. You don't need to platform these ideologies. You should never engage with these people. In the United States, liberal or left leaning views have been the predominant ones for the past decade and a half at least. If you are in a work place, you can't speak out against minorities and women. If you look at messages coming from Hollywood or pretty much all of the mainstream media, save Fox News or talk radio, left leaning ones are the only ones you can express without getting crucified for it. The problem is we all kind of bulshitted ourselves into believing if we just did that long enough, everybody eventually was on board. Then, when Drumpf rolled around, it was a big wake up call. It's like "Holy shit," half the country is still thinking a totally different thing, but we never engaged with it, we never knew it was there, and we kind of swept it under the rug and pretended it didn't exist and hoped it would go away."

[@nosmailliwnibor]

1:39:00 'Magic Eye' social constructionist-appreciation ability = The next-level 'Red Pill'. I've listened to some other episodes, and really appreciate your "going into the lion's den" too, Steven, and this messy grappling with changing minds processes you put on display and the bridges you make to others with views so different from your own. I value the functions in the socio-political ecosystem that you're serving, and in good faith. Thanks for your work.

[@TheLocalCeIebrities]

Kristi has a dangerously easy voice to listen to

[@thegreatgahooli]

Kristi has such a nice voice

[@makerstudios5456]

How is getting married harder than having a child without two parents?

It's always good to remember that only 1 in 4 eligible voters in the United States cast a ballot for Trump. A few percentage points fewer than cast a ballot for Wall Street's Warmongering Madame.

[@jonperez5380]

This is nice I like an intelligent discuss rather then 90 ppl screaming about stupid shit. Tbh I would love more content like this

[@sir.grumpypawson6598]

Have you ever heard a trans person smugly say that you misgendered them, almost as if they were reveling in the fact that they can be offended? That is the scenario most people against the right to chose which pronoun you want to be referred as think about when the subject is brought up. I don't think most of them would have a problem with most trans, which only want to live their life as the gender they feel is right for them, but when you call someone that is dressed ambiguously and or mostly look female as a she and get riled on for misgendering when you did not have any bad intention, then it is reasonable to expect an averse reaction for them. Since you know so much about the human psyche, i think you can understand how just one instance of that happening can influence that person's way of thinking. Doesn't matter if they experienced it first hand or saw one of them (perpetual victim) in a sjw owned video.

[@sir.grumpypawson6598]

After rereading it, i realize that it makes me sound intolerant but i don't personally do not hold that viewpoint since i realize the difference between the individual and the group and judge people not based on the group they belong to, but as an individual - or i try to as much as possible. Not that it takes anything away from the comment i made: i despise these kind of people.

[@JohnWayneBrady]

Psychologist, here. They have done the Milgram Experiment multiple times but, as Destiny said, with the proper debriefing, and, every time they’ve repeated it, they get similar results. In a recent incarnation of it, they actually had it in a Skype call where the participant could actually see the actor acting out having a heart attack, and the results were still very similar.

[@correctmeifimwrong01]

This was super cathartic.

[@rmsvideos1335]

It really triggers me when he complains about people holding viewpoints that can align with someone who has a bad viewpoint. The guilt by association thing with the racists is stupid as hell. It's not your responsibility to make sure the people who hold similar beliefs don't have bad intentions. If your ideology is well fleshed out, it doesn't matter who else supports it. This, I think, is one of destiny's biggest problems.

[@Mudkipz123]

Try not to lump people in, and also realize that people, including you, will still do it so you should probably still try to keep some distance if you really disagree.

[@okayso1747]

Yo Destiny, what's your take on pro-life/pro-choice? Sorry to ask a loaded question, but I got mates getting on my case about our access to birth control and when exactly a woman's right to her own body is revoked after conception. I think I remember you mentioning being pretty strong on the pro-life end, unless I'm mistakened. Kind of surprises me, given your views in this above video.

[@TheDolphindanI]

Who is Kristi Winters?

[@dyb368]

Whos Nilo another property of the Destiny Harem™️

[@MotherAce]

she's also better known as Fistie Splinters. More or less for the same reasons as King Willem cited. She's too thin-skinned for YT in general.

[@ChristyAbbey]

It's the "Fistie" name that pisses me off. Sargon started that after she wiped his ass in a debate, because he's an adult pushing 40.

[@MotherAce]

Chris Abbey: You cannot claim the higher moral ground, while delving into the same pig pen in the same sentence(Mother Deuce?) At least my nick for Fistie Splinters wasn't my own invention. Nor is it particularly deragotory either. Being a posterchild for hypocrisy in feminism, the actual name is cleverly descriptive in my opinion(Fistie for the "closed fist" logo in feminism, and the word "splinters" for a view on feminism that is fragmented on inspection. Also, wasn't it coined by Bearing? I do not listen to Sargon, unless he pops up as a topic of discussion in other channels, so I cannot claim to know if he said it first. Both psychopathy or sociopathy are colloquial terms that are meaningless in a professional setting, so I cannot really address your speculation, since I cannot be sure to what defintion you differentiate the words. To me(personal definition), sociopathy is a measure of degree of the defining traits of antisocial disorder, and psychopathy is whenever this antisocial behaviour devolves into being harmful to self or others. I.e: "You are showing sociopathic traits, and you are acting like a psychopath right now" To me, she's better known as Fistie Splinters, as I usually come over her work whenever mocked by anti-feminists. Since anti-feminists have a much larger audience on the internet, the statement "she is better known to most as Fistie Splinters" is probably true. Its not the only definition you can use, but I just listened to her on this 2hour segment, and he had to clearly explain to the audience who she is. For the record, she came off just fine in discussion with Destiny, thou they were mostly just stroking eachother arguments and ego, and airing frustrations with the lack of academic vigor in the arguments from their ideological opponents(which I suppose is quite often true) So how is that for slutshaming your kneejerk reaction to "Fistie", Chris Abbey? If you ask me, the nickname is kinda cool. But thats my opinion. Even if you elect to understand the term for its sexual connotation its still fine. Thou I never thought of this before Bearing had to address that misconstrued interpretation.

[@ChristyAbbey]

Fistie Splinters (which was made up by Bearing, and I mistakenly linked it to Sargon as he is the one who uses it most) was a wooden dildo. To say it's anything else is really reading too much of your own shit into it. I didn't claim the high ground, just goaded you into replying by using your own method. Note I didn't misuse Sargon or Bearning [Carl or Scott, if you prefer]. The nickname, used often with a dildo [one explanation is because she's not married, which I find a bit weird] is not cool. Bearing got thrown off twitter for a bit for it, and Sargon... is Sargon. People generally should be identified in the way they choose to be identified, at least their name. My argument was not kneejerk. I had it ready for the first person I saw calling my friend that. It hurts her, and hurts the argument. My daughter, Crystal, does not like being called "Chris". So she's not called that. (PS: I was using the colloquial socio-psychopath usage. You are absolutely correct in all point in that paragraph.)

[@wfjhDUI]

47:35 This is why I've lost a great deal of faith in democracy, free speech, and the steady progress of society in the last few years. The unfortunate reality is that large parts of the population will always be latent fascists waiting to be activated by a propagandist and a big part of keeping them in line is fear and intimidation through social pressure.

[@mackenzieblack5402]

At around 1:09:00 Destiny makes one of the best points he has ever made. About the "answer" being only a small part of the total picture. The thought process that leads to that answer is more important, in many ways, than the final answer.

[@MartinSlow]

Liked this one :)

[@VarmitCoyote]

10:50 It actually has a name. The law of diminishing returns. It's a common concern in activist circles. Then again, I'd argue that it's usually a problem more in liberal activist circles because their goal is often "equality" under capitalism. More politically radical progressives aren't concerned so much with "equality" as breaking down and replacing inherently oppressive systems. The nature of the goal makes the finish line much less fuzzy or gradual.

[@klemson5742]

I'd really like to see some really structured debates (like discussed at like 1:48:00 ish).

[@aronchai]

Why is Destiny talking about compassion when he's a psychopath?

[@MaleTears]

More like this pleez

[@hapmaplapflapgap]

It doesn't really matter for the sake of the discussion, but when did passion become a masculine trade? passion is feminine, ambitious is masculine, right? Just like how caring/being tender is feminine, the manly variant would be something like defending, or providing in a material sense (English isn't my native language so I can't remember the word).

[@guuntis]

Go watch her videos on patriarchy. ;) They are pretty insightful!

[@EveryTimeV2]

All I hope is that I manage to get through this life in the best way that I can. I'm tired of this.

[@bloodwolf2609]

I wish he'd talk to more smart people. I really enjoyed this

[@anybody2501]

TBH, Steven has a very poor understanding of trans and gender issues. So does Kristi. 2nd wave feminists like Judith Butler have a much more articulate understanding of the issue relative to intersectional feminists IMO.

[@rnldrc]

nice debate between smart people!! thats rare.

[@chrispurington4436]

You mentioned Michael Brooks, it would be awesome to see you talk to either him on his own show or Sam Seder on the Majority Report. Sam is a great debater himself (though I think you guys would agree on a lot) and it would be fascinating to hear you guys compare approaches to dismantling pervasive right wing arguments.

[@Bynming]

That's what bothers me with the term "rape culture", she admits right off the bat that the concept's name is ambiguous and then you two argue that people are disingenuous when trying to argue against it. I personally am 100% unwilling to have any discussion about rape culture. I'll absolutely discuss all the phenomena that are attributed to it individually but the umbrella term "rape culture" is very obviously confusing, politically loaded and fucking worthless.

[@sisterimmaculata1680]

Oh no, Carl M, a guy on internet is "100% unwilling to have any discussion about rape culture", whatever shall the hundreds of academics examining the phenomenon do now?

[@sisterimmaculata1680]

+Carl M You are unimportant and I'm making sure you know that!

[@Bynming]

My mom loves me

[@kuroichan101]

You should probably watch contra's old video on that. In america, loads of drugs are illegal but it would be a lie to say that there isnt a "drug culture" here, even if it is small or in America, most people would say being a pedo is gross af but some models are pretty young yet are over sexualized as if its okay. There are people in america who STILL dont know that you cant consent when you are drunk out of your mind. There are people who think its okay to have sex with those drunk out of their mind people and at some point, tv shows(few now still do) and movies showed pretty RAPEY stuff with no one questioning it. That is rape culture, right? I see that it could be confusing but if a person is confused then they should do their job of looking into it rather than just looking at the term while not knowing what it means then hating it. Its just foolish.

[@Bynming]

I call everyone cunts regardless of gender, it's a UK thing. She loves it.

[@QuinnRiley360]

I kind of appreciate the conversations with people at least sort of in line with your views. It's good to get a break from the people you usually talk to who end up foaming at the mouth by the end of it all. I like Andy, he seems like a decent enough dude but he's super impressionable and seems to really struggle with holding onto his own views which can be almost as frustrating as the tonka/nobullshit types, albeit in a different manner. You should do these more just to sorta ground things a bit. Especailly with people like her and Contra.

[@SolomonsGameStudio]

I'm at 33:52 and I just heard the "I don't want to go to a gay bar because I don't want to be hit on by dudes" comment and I just want to say I don't go there because I don't have gay friends and because i don't like bars. I drink nice and safely at home. (No driving)

[@Zach-ky9oj]

Not enough screeching for my liking.

[@shinohidanzetsu]

I wish Destiny would just accept his SJW leanings instead of denying it all the time. He reminds me of Macklemore in "Same Love" constantly reminding us that he isn't gay.

[@FoxfireDraven]

i look up to you destiny :)

[@FoxfireDraven]

2'1 actually

[@Schmendrikson]

feels like a proper holiday compared to recent shitshows. nice chilling :3

[@EveryTimeV2]

Is it possible when someone poses a question which may be important in a court room for finding a defendant innocent, that someone's kneejerk reaction to this statement can be 'you're just a misogynist'? This is a neutral question I think.

[@iss2075]

The discussion around the 47:00 mark (it goes on for quite a bit before and after), I think you're both wrong. The situation is a lot more severe than that. Yes, there have always been right-wing nationalist types, but what we have seen happen, particularly in the past 5 years, is that people who used to be left-wing globalist types have now CHANGED and BECOME right-wing nationalist types. And on top of that it's actually become "cool" and "rebellious" to be right-wing if you are a teenager. I'm quite young, but I can tell you for certain that 10-20 years ago being right-wing was immensely uncool. You would get seen as overly religious, homophobic, probably a virgin, someone who doesn't like partying, boring, etc. This has changed DRAMATICALLY recently, now being right-wing means you're edgy, funny, rude, masculine, probably going to get in trouble at school (which I'm sorry, but generally girls will develop a crush on guys who are getting told off all the time). Also, on top of that we now have a situation where the majority of children are raised by parents who are feminist and support social justice, yet a lot of their sons are rejecting what their mothers want them to do. It was typically the other way around for my whole life. And also, right-wing people used to have to defend Christianity all the time, which meant they ALWAYS lost arguments. Now the tables have turned and left-wing people find themselves having to defend Islam more than anything. It's an absolute nightmare... It's a fictional religion, I think people should stop trying to defend it tbh, it doesn't help further left-wing and globalist causes (unless you are one of the extreme types who want as many muslims as possible so white people become a minority faster). I think it is correct that the mainstream media, entertainment, etc. has been mostly very left-wing, and I think the problem with that has meant that people legitimately haven't been ever introduced to arguments from the other side. An example is that people have been taught their entire life that abortion should be a woman's choice, that a foetus is just a 'bundle of cells". You spend you're entire life thinking that people against abortion are just horrible, oppressive people. And then one day Ben Shapiro comes along and says "All living things are technically just a bundle of cells" and "A foetus is a baby, it has a heartbeat, brain activity, it moves, etc." These arguments are BRAND NEW to a lot of people! Seriously.And they can be convincing. And then people start to doubt themselves. I think in hind-sight it would have been better to teach everybody the right-wing nationalist view of the world when they were children, along with the left-wing globalist view of the world. When people learn nothing but the left-wing globalist view of the world from when they are a small child, and suddenly at age 20 find out about gender differences, racial differences, it's going to turn their world upside down and have 10x the impact on them had they learnt it as a child and grew up always knowing there was a legitimate opposition to their beliefs. For a while people thought right-wing people were just crazy, stupid, bigoted, old-fashioned, etc. But now for the first time a lot of young people are now only starting to really meet right-wing people and they are being pleasantly surprised to find out a lot of them are funny, intelligent, good-looking, young, atheist, minorities, etc. And I have to state OBVIOUSLY everybody knew right-wing/nationalist types when they were young, but these types of people would generally keep it a secret (until recent years), because in the 90's or 00's you would generally get ridiculed if you were open about such beliefs, at least in most of the Western world.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

Isn't this that chick that trolls Bearing all the time?

[@zianitori1565]

I'd scream if you had Contrapoints on here sometime

[@geheimerbesen]

Adding something to the "arson" "cooking fire" video: While the response of Kraut was actually missing the point, on top of it, he used a false definition of arson in German law.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

About 25 minutes in, Destiny makes fun of Sargon for using a definition of feminism that referred to "cultural Marxism." I was surprised by Kristi's pretty restrained reaction in comparison to her surrounding comments, but I didn't know why she reacted that way until I saw her debate on feminism with Sargon, where _her_ definition and _her_ position was that feminism is a an academic theory that you use as a lens of analysis, like Marxist class analysis. Oops. Also, it doesn't sound like Kristi understands conservatives particularly well, which is always frustrating to listen to. It's totally useless to hear challenges to what some caricature of the worst of right-leaning excesses; I don't agree with that strawman either! [ETA: Kristi thinks there is a straight line between anti-Abolitionists, KKK members, and the Tea Party? I don't think she even understands the broad concept of a conservative, much less one in the Tea Party. And Destiny isn't doing great on this one either--does he really think conservatives should have to vote for Hillary because their candidate didn't win the primary (or didn't even make it that far) or else it's fair to say that they just "took off their hoods"? Seriously?]

[@VarmitCoyote]

16:00 I'm not sure about formal jargon in a political context, but what you're describing there is valuing ingenuousness. You would rather be dealing with genuine people than disingenuous people. And that's the line that needs to be drawn in the sand very often, because it determines if you have integrity in progressing your learning. Clearly, anti-feminists, racists, fascists, alt-right shitlords, authoritarians, and dogmatic people in general aren't willing to do that. Which is why I always encourage engaging most with the average, ignorant person who is at least genuine, because they can be swayed to understanding. The disingenuous can go fuck off until they learn to value...well, learning ffs.

[@joopjam]

Nice change of pace.

[@orangutan-halibut-walrus]

destiny circlejerk. only irritating issue was that kristi kept pulling everything back to feminism.

[@Superkinguk]

It goes meta ethics,then normative ethics then applied ethics though the lines between them are blurry at times

[@TheGrades90]

Great video! One of my favorites :)