Why Swiss Mechanical Movement is More Expensive (Sellita SW200 VS Seiko NH35)

[@kobusvanrensburg4092]

I've found that my Selita/ETA (Hamilton/Tissot/Rado/Mido/Glycine) powered watches are far more delicate - especially if you (like me) didn't know any better and hand wound the watch to get it going. I killed two SW's that way until I got educated. NH35, despite it's unrefined nature is a brilliant piece of engineering.

[@DIYWatchClub]

Exactly. In fact ETA recommends using the hand winding only to get the watch started, and using the automatic rotor to do the rest of the job. NH35 on the other hand, you can abuse however you want and it'll keep on ticking. Hell of a workhorse.

[@AvidUTuber]

With the exception of tissot, I've always thought all the other watches makers you mentioned are extremely overated and over priced. And now, from this video and comment section I know the sellita movement is delicate garbage

[@Flikksverdelger]

@@AvidUTuber tossit is also garbage

[@khrttartrahht4188]

Ok, well... "unrefined nature" when comparing a crap design to a good one is an odd way to refer to the latter

[@kobusvanrensburg4092]

​@@khrttartrahht4188 We own two cars. A Mercedes C350 Coupe and a Toyota Corolla. The Mercedes is much more luxurious and infinitely more refined. Will it last as long as the more unrefined Corolla? Nope. Two things can be true at the same time. Same with the movements I mentioned.

[@georgesmith5201]

Swiss movements are more expensive because the Swiss think that they're more expensive and if the Japanese beat them at anything they'll just change the rules again.

[@desi_bhai_]

yeah, there is nothing that japanese can't beat in quality, most of these companies just change the rules

[@NavneetKash]

Well said

[@HarryUnchained]

Such a misleading description, you shouldn’t said Swiss vs Japanese movement over and over again when comparing a $30 vs $200 movement. Just say the model no. Or just use the equivalent tier movement from each origin like seiko 6r/9 series miyota vs sw200.

[@A_Dog_Formerly_Known_As_Cat]

Exactly. It's like comparing an Audi A4 to a Honda Accord. One costs a bit more, and you get more for that premium. The nh35 and 36 are made for entry level micro brands. You can spend around 100-250 on a watch with the nh35/36 and you're gonna get a super reliable and accurate watch. I've got an Invicta pro diver with the nh35 and it keeps accurate time for a couple weeks. It's a fantastic watch that cost me 90 bucks brand new.

[@bastadimasta]

I think he addressed that issue in 1:37 fairly.

[@aaronanonymous5385]

Europeans, as usual

[@franciscoeduardo957]

Povo chato

[@Flikksverdelger]

Well KZbinrs usually don't know anything about the subject matter that they make videos on. A bunch of glorified salesman in the internet age

[@gtxhunter9980]

In my engineering undergrad. I learned equipment that requires tight tolerances will not be as reliable or outlast equipment that does not need those tight tolerances. Requirement of extremely high tolerances imply when Parts wear down, function is impeded thus needing service at a higher rate. This rises down time of use and increases cost

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

Incorrect

[@gtxhunter9980]

@@whereRbearsTeeth Oh my bad nevermind guys j was wrong thank you I was about to interview at Lockheed Martin glad you called my mistake

[@mrbrisvegas2]

@@whereRbearsTeeth LOL. its fact known by all watchmakers. These professionals are also far less impressed by expensive Swiss watches than the people who buy them.

[@PedroJohnston1]

"while comparing the nh35 and sw200 isn't fair because they exist in a different price bracket this comparison should show you how Swiss and Japanese movements differ in their underlying design philosophy" - proceeds to not talk about design philosophy and instead unfairly comparing these 2 particular movements.

[@mjokffsgfjs]

Only serve to fuel watch snobs.

[@GeneGirard007]

He actually did explain the design philosophies. One is ease of manufacturer. One solid Bridge instead of several. One makes it easier manufacturer. One makes it easier to service. I would never service an NH35. At $30 for the movement...

[@charlesstockings663]

@@GeneGirard007 Seiko does have movements made in the way the Sellita SW200 is made. it has nothing to do with design philosophy of the brand. they have different movements for different price points it's like looking at a Japanese K-car and saying the Japanese don't know how to build a luxury car.

[@MeestroDavid]

It's unfair to say this comparison shows the difference in quality or finishing between Swiss and Japanese movements because it compares Sellita's $200 top-grade movement with Seiko's $50 entry-level workhorse. What it really shows are the differences between price points. A more appropriate comparison would be the SW200 and the Seiko 6L35.

[@AvidUTuber]

Hmm interesting. I just getting into watches and from the comment section , people are still saying the sellita is overpriced garbage

[@MeestroDavid]

@@AvidUTuber I would never hesitate to buy a watch with a Sellita. In my experience, they're solid and easily equal to or better than the ETA movements the design copies. As to whether they're overpriced, that's a whole other conversation, but I wouldn't call them junk relative to any other movement around that price.

[@Izou96]

Yea the ne15 ne25 6r 6l etc series is to rival 2824-2 and sw200 and all its variant, but on the spec sw200 still end up with better spec overall and a lot cheaper than seiko

[@DanW-w2l]

To be fair he's showing the expensive 2824 clone here, seagull make she st2130, and another company makes the pt5000, these are both Chinese clones of the 2824, as opposed to Swiss clones, they can be had for around 50ish dollars about the same as nh35, in my ill informed opinion the Chinese 2824s are just as good as the Swiss clones, they all will break from handwinding all the same💀 nh35 feels better wind in my opinion, my 2824 clone feels like in grinding gravel when I wind it

[@DanW-w2l]

​@@AvidUTuberthey are likely saying this because it is a mundane movement put in watches that cost in the 4 figures, some companies will make small mods to sw200s and call the movements "in house" and ask for more money, another reason people call it overpriced is bc of the focus on longer power reserves instead of smoother second hand sweep (the amount of times the second hand moves per second) the nh35 and miyota 8000 series have 3hz (1hz equates to 2 "tick" of the second hand per second, 3hz=6 beats per second) the sw200 is a "high beat" or a 4hz (8 ticks per second) due to the focus on power reserve, Swiss companies created the powermatic 80 (modified 2824 (2824 is what the sw200 is based off) that is 6hz instead of 8hz, but gets 30 hours more power reserve) these Swiss companies put the powermatic 80 in every cheap watch they have, and as a result the sw200/eta 2824 watches with 4hz moved more upmarket, meaning if you want a Swiss watch with 4hz sweep, you're basically going to have to pay about 1 thousand dollars (unless you buy micrbrands, that's another story) this is a reason why people say they are overpriced, seiko also did something similar with essentially moving their 4hz movements up to the 2000 dollar range.

[@TheOriginalGeekyNoob]

Just to play Devils advocate here. I had two Oris watches, both with SW200's, both had to be returned under warranty for issues with their date wheels not adjusting, I've plenty of mechanical watches and only ever adjust the date way clear of midnight, but both had the same issue within six months of new purchase, they never felt particularly clean before or after the warranty work. On the other hand, I've plenty of Seiko's that have simply never given me any issues of any kind, in keeping or adjusting time or date. That said, I still prefer Swiss, but, genuine ETA is the way to go, both my Sellita experiences were poor. Oris's now sold, never going down that road again. Seiko's are just superb workhorses.

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

😂

[@vic7939]

I like the H-50 on my Hamilton Automatic which is still the ETA 2801-2, but they have reduced the beat rate to 21,600 VPH (3hz) and increased the size of the barrel to allow for a superior power reserve, quite smart and simple. Getting -1 second a day and sometimes spot on.

[@simplevoicereviewssvr6418]

I have the khaki field king and it's just spot on

[@chrisdieguez1950]

"Next up, let's compare a Bugatti Chiron and a Honda Civic to show why European cars are superior."

[@nick7813]

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[@NickCheng93]

I really respect you guys for introducing the sw200 to the kit lineup! I've always wanted to work with one. Given the two main problems the sw200 faces (handwinding breaking the ratchet wheel, and the reversers getting stuck and causing helicopter rotor) I'd be really happy if you guys released a video showing how to swap out/service these specific parts to fix a broken sw200. Then I'd feel much more confident building and maintaining my own sw200 watch

[@DIYWatchClub]

That's a good idea for a video!

[@larsf.4756]

Reverser wheels are fairly straight forward if you choose the right lubricant. The ratchet wheel is easy to access and swap, and is also inexpensive. The only issue I can think of, is that you might have sheared off teeth as a result of aggressive handwinding. If these teeth have migrated elsewhere into the movement, you may want to consider a service.

[@dima343.]

Interestingly, ETA 2824 never had problems with ratchet wheel breakage, and stucking reversing wheels (only pivot wear in some service neglected movements). I even encountered second wheel (first after the barrel) teeth wear, ball bearing wear, in reversers - wear in holes for pawls. Just Sellita uses inferior metals, for exapmle, where ETA uses beryllium copper of Glucydur, Sellita uses plain brass, that's why reversers wear out fast and get sticky

[@larsf.4756]

@@dima343. I wouldn't know, since I haven't seen too many original ETA 2824. I know that some reversing wheel issues existed even with that movement, which were largely tied to lubrication issues. (helicopter rotor) It's quite possible that the Sellita ratchet wheel is inferior, and I've always wondered if that wheel was sacrificial by design.

[@NickCheng93]

@@dima343. Interesting, thanks for the info!

[@innovate.integrate.transfo6169]

Just so I understand. the point of this was? Compare two entirely different market and price categories, and then point out key category differences showing the entry level doesnt have the same build approach? Then subtly declare the higher category far superior? Talk about stacking the deck and gaming the outcome. You are definitely a high end marketer if that is measured by deception while maintaining the requisite caveats in the beginning (that they are different categories). You failed to mention DRAMATICALLY different categories AND that there are comparable comparisons.

[@paulkoller8104]

If you already know all of this, then the vid wasn't meant for you. It was meant for people who are more towards the beginning of their learning curve. Nobody needs you to comment to try and show how much you know.

[@MrJmawiseman]

I don't own any premium automatic Swiss watches to compare it to, but I recently built a watch for the first time using the NH35 movement. I was quite rough with it at times when taking hands off and putting them on again etc, but nothing damaged it. I set it to the exact second using my radio controlled Casio 5610 and for 4 or 5 days, it was as accurate to the second as the Casio. Can't moan at that.

[@DIYWatchClub]

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[@mstcrow5429]

The NH35 might be more difficult to service, but would anyone service it instead of swapping it out for new NH35? Unless the customer insists on servicing the existing movement.

[@larsf.4756]

More difficult is a relative term. The SW-200 is easier to access. The NH35, especially on the side of the wheel train, is more like a guided tour. Even if you didn't know the movement, there is also one logical next step in the reassembly and assembly. The SW200 has some odd pitfalls, such as not removing the stem from the right position, which may force you to take parts of the front of the movement apart, just when you thought you had fully assembled a watch. But in the end these differences are minute, if you know what you are doing. Also, if you are going for an inexpensive replacement route, you can buy ETA2824 clones for maybe $5 more than you'd pay for the NH35. These clones aren't pretty, but they are functional. In the end, you shouldn't have much of a service issue with any standard movement.

[@VanguardRT]

I would say from experience, any of the Seiko 7S/4R based movements are very easy and logical to service. it typically takes less time to service them than 2824 based movements.

[@STDFme]

I was thinking the same - exchange the movement for a new one is cheaper than any servicing

[@synkopy]

"Do not hold the movement like this" Proceeds to hold the movement like this

[@SisramShivani]

Picked up a MaMaCoo 's watch as my first watch last month and I’m absolutely in love with it. Perfect size, looks elegant, very comfortable. Now my only problem is holding off from buying more watches so quickly!

[@michaelbradley6488]

I have had more entry level Swiss Movements fail compared to my Japanese Movement watches, they each have advantages and disadvantages.

[@DIYWatchClub]

The Sellita is kind of a delicate movement. The good thing about being a 2824 clone is that literally every watchmaker knows how to service it.

[@avronaut]

@@DIYWatchClub And the better thing is that you never need a watchmaker for a Seiko NH34.

[@The_Crazy_Monkey75]

@@avronaut LOL! How true.

[@dk418]

This is Like comparing Audi A8 with Camry. You gotta compare things in same weight class

[@Hamzak786]

Exactly.

[@ericlechat719]

The irony here is that the Camry is a lot more reliable.

[@AamilAgmad]

got my 39mm with the white dial on the 3-link "Bader" bracelet watch on MaMaCoo 3 weeks ago and am loving it to pieces. Absolute fantastic watch that wears super comfortable on my 6.75 inch wrist. Chose the 3-link over the 5-link bracelet for the toolless quick adjustment. Way more comfortable than my Longines Hydroconquest 41 mm.

[@godsongamergr]

bro is comparing a $200 movement to a $30 movement. You are clearly not making a point here. Try comparing 2 movement of similar price instead.

[@Bob.martens]

An SW200 with a magic lever automatic system and beefed up keyless works would be a killer movement.

[@vanessawilliam9570]

I love my Casio digital watch. It beeps hourly and has an alarm functions which an expensive Rolex does not have. It's also more accurate than a Rolex watch. Unlike a Rolex watch which is quite cumbersome to set the time and the date, my Casio watch is very easy to set. I hate wearing a heavy watch. My casio watch is comparatively light. It does not weigh so much like a Rolex watch does. So it's really nice to wear it al the time. It does not cost me a lot to own and more importantly to maintain my Casio watch. The battery can last for up to 7 years. It gives me peace of mind. Unlike a Rolex watch, it's less likely to get stolen and robbed. Casio watch saves me a lot of time, energy, and money. I don't have to visit a watch store every year. Instead of giving my money to a watch store, I can use my money to invest in gold bars. I own gold bars and stocks.

[@johannesstevens1929]

👋 what kind of stocks? Medium entry level stocks or growth stocks 🤔 ✌️ from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@kissing88]

There's a time and place for both. Casio's great for when traveling or golfing. Rolex are great if you have the money for it and appreciate horology and luxury.

[@whereRbearsTeeth]

Dumbest comment I’ve read in quite some time

[@davidbolduc828]

And most casio are quite ugly to me but for durability, accuracy, reliability and low cost it's hard to beat a G shock. But I still think they are plain plastic watches.

[@Deai-i7w]

So great

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Why not chose a Miyota 9000 series? It would have been a fairer comparison.

[@papercut1987]

Very interesting information. I have the NH36 from HK. it definitely has details that could improve, especially the date jump. But it's pretty precise.

[@JohnFMarcolin]

The winding feel and the date change have nothing to do with the tolerance of the parts. An instantaneous date change in a gradual date change use two totally different mechanisms. The winding feel depends on the gear ratios in the winding train and the amount of teeth on the gear contacting the click.

[@timetraveler_0]

Bro if one is more expensive, then better/more expensive materials and processing/tooling can be deployed to make it smaller, lighter, tapered etc. This may not be a swiss vs japan thing.

[@giovanidiamonds]

Good video. Couldn't agree more with the final sentences. A 24 jewel NH70 or NH35 is going to feel cheaper (winding, setting date, time etc) than a 28 jewel ETA movement and this ETA is going to feel cheaper than a in house 3135 Rolex Movement, or Patek, Audemars etc

[@giovanidiamonds]

Much appreciation and respect to all these watch companies.

[@Wootsk]

Disclaimer does nothing with ending conclusion like this. There are better japanese movement like Miyota 9015 and they will still be cheaper with better specification. To be specfic with the price bracket. That Swiss movement shown is not just 2 or 3 times the cost but 5 to 10 times the cost of the Japanese movement.

[@pgrossmsk]

Swiss movement usually have slightly smooth winding due to its tight manufacturing tolerance . If comparing the ETA 2892 /2824 with seiko 7s26 / 4r36 , will notice the ETA have smooth sweep as its 28,800 bph vs seiko 21,600 bph . seiko hi beat and spring drive is another level . For accuracy , nothing beats a quartz or digital watch . Just don't forget to change the battery . Always use a silver oxide ( SR ) , not alkaline ( LR ) and check its expiry date .

[@willelliott5052]

Currently, of my mechanical movement watches, (4) of the movements are Swiss and (3) are Japanese. Only one of the Swiss movements has been trouble-free. One was received new with a defective chronograph. Another was received new as COSC-certified, yet it lost 19 seconds per day. I had to return them both for repairs which took several weeks, and I feel like I wound up with used watches for new watch prices. The other was bought as vintage, and while I paid nearly $1k for its service (and waited for nearly half a year), the gears sometimes bind, and setting the time feels coarse. Meanwhile, all of the Japanese movements have been frustration-free. Therefore, my opinion is that Swiss movements are celebrated garbage, and I would choose a Japanese movement if there were a choice for a given watch of interest.

[@theshadowman1398]

I have a 4R35 that runs -3 seconds per day. So the movement can be a solid performer. Have several watches with 2824-2 in them, also solid performers.

[@jacc88888]

Interesting video! You didn’t mention that for the layman it’s much cheaper to replace an NH35 rather than service it so the ease of servicing comparison isn’t really relevant.

[@DIYWatchClub]

That's true to the folks at Seiko and watch companies. For us end users though, ease of servicing is still quite desirable.

[@jacc88888]

@@DIYWatchClub I was thinking of myself as the layman (an enthusiast but with no watch repairing skills). Cheaper for me to buy a new NH35 and get a watchmaker to swap it over than to ask them to service it!

[@alalayubi4474]

I have a Swiss watch that is broken for 3 years but the combination of digital and manual, Swiss and Japanese watches have their own advantages.

[@humanfirst11]

Very interesting video and really liked the comparisons! please compare more of these movements vs movement style videos!

[@jims4539]

A 9 series Miyota would be a better comparison.

[@DIYWatchClub]

Agreed. Similar price, and we love the 9015

[@coffeeisgood102]

I would rather have the larger movement as fragility increases as size decreases. Also, date change can be manipulated to wearers liking by installing the hands at 12 midnight just a few minutes after the date begins to change. Date will fully click past midnight but by then most wearers of the watch will be sound asleep so will not notice.

[@Benis650]

Firstly, I want to say that although I also own several SEIKO watches myself, I agree that the accuracy of SEIKO movements is indeed lower. However, as you mentioned at the beginning, you are comparing two completely different price point movements. Yet, in this video, you keep emphasizing the inferior craftsmanship and finishing of Japanese movements, which is completely illogical and unfounded. Isn't the price difference of mechanical watches reflected in these finishing techniques? Comparing movements of different price points and concluding that Japanese movements are inferior to Swiss ones is simply without merit.

[@ellardgrudzinski]

God!!! MAMACOO Who would have thought those gorgeous watches go for that low!!!

[@discountmorty213]

NH35 is actually okay as a daily beater and quite smooth winding in my pagani but my miyota from citizen is not so smooth.I think Seiko movement are smoother and I have not get a swiss watch yet as they are quite expensive

[@welchianachi7707]

For me personally, I definitely choose NH35 for one reason only. If it broke, then cheaper is to buy a new one than trying to be repaired. In addition, a new one will work much longer than repaired one. For the last in nh35 and alike movements, magic fingers of automatic winding mechanism with additional oil layer are bomb proof.

[@BigBenAdv]

IMO, there's a cultural difference (philosophical difference if you will) that goes into the engineering/ finishing of the product here. Swiss movements have a focus on aesthetics and generally are made to be able to use as drop-in as-is without further decorations. If you want to decorate/ modify further, there are other Swiss companies that do modular add-ons. i.e. Targeting smaller capacity productions with a focus on more 'luxury' products. Asian watch movement OEM suppliers focus more on a product that just works - if you want to customize it, go ahead but you're on your own. i.e. You can decorate it if you have the means to, but you could just use it as a lower cost movement in watches that target the mass market (doesn't require flourishes). Hence why you don't see Asian companies that specially offer aftermarket modular add-ons/ finishing services. A better comparison might have been the Miyota 9 series (same beat rate) which does have slightly better finishing than a raw NH series movement.

[@DIYWatchClub]

Thank you for the thorough explanation! 😊 Let’s compare another movement with the 9 series movement next time.

[@davebudd1429]

date wheel gears are plastic to remove the need for lubrication (they are considered self-lubricating) since they turn so slowly and have so few teeth. It is not to save money. That is what i have read anyway.

[@Leptospirosi]

you should check a Swatch automatic movement, which still costs more then the Seiko one, to see how crap it is.

[@Chou005]

Created by each philosophy Designed by each philosophy Explained by each philosophy I love watches❤

[@briane1116]

Agreed. I’ve had the helicoptering happen to two Orises, a Glycine, and a San Martin. All had the Sellita movement in them.

[@samueldavis7820]

sellita in a San Martin? that's interesting, from the little research I did when I was considering them they only used NH movements and the occasional miyota 9000 series

[@samueldavis7820]

i stand corrected, just looked it up, sw200 AND A WATCH for £385 is wild

[@dimasakbar7668]

Now compare SW200, ETA 2824, and Chinese PT5000 for more definitive result

[@kevinh5349]

Not particularly helpful for reasons so many commenters pointed out. I spoke briefly with a watchmaker once and he said the ETA movement is significantly better than the Sellita. Unfortunately, the conversation ended and I didn't have a chance to ask him why. Something that's always annoyed me is that the same Sellita movement will be used in watches with widely varying price points. Many brands are, I think, getting by on past glories, i.e., their name recognition. No matter. Soon I will be attending the American Watch and Clock Association course (Watch 100) and hope to have a lot of my questions answered.

[@dentzw80]

I have both. From the user standpoint, SW200 rotor is sooooo lowd, so I prefer Seiko. If both are serviced and adjusted, Seiko wins, imho :-)

[@Ballacha]

answering the question "why swiss mechanical movement is more expensive" by comparing an eta clone to the one of cheapest japanese movement is ridiculous. i suggest you go find any gs 9s/9r and compare them to any rollies movement and get your eyes opened first.

[@johndesmond1987]

These two movements are completely different designs. It would be much more useful to compare the SW200 with the Chinese PT2000 or Seagull 2130 movements

[@Izou96]

Seiko equivalent of 2824-2 is the 6r 6l ne15 ne25 and a lot more expensive too at that

[@mrandrei87]

the salary in Switzerland (5000 chf) is not like in Japan, so that's why the price difference is also there

[@legumbro]

I think I nice and fair comparison here would be SW200 vs Miyota 9 series since both are 4hz movements.

[@oktc68]

The date transition information is misleading, I have 4 SW200 & a ETA 2824 which, granted, all have very close to midnight, date changes and I have 15+ NH35 36 movements, some of which have very close (

[@SalamonBauzek]

It's sad that watches that look good cost over 1k+. MAMACOO watches are REALLY well made, and it just shows how a brand name on a watch can make its price 10x higher. I understand that if you look under a microscope, you'll find the difference, but just how many of you really inspect a watch at that level when you see someone with a watch?

[@Michael3d11]

Hm, the date change closer to midnight is a very inaccurate statement - it doesn't depend on the movement itself, but on the assembly. You can place the hands at midnight in the exact moment of the date change, so it completes the change very close to 0:00. Yeah, the change on the Sellita might be snappier and take less time than on the Seiko, but it has nothing to do with the exact time of the date change. It could as well change at 3:00 if someone assembled the watch this way and it doesn't matter what movement is being used.

[@arsen6169]

None of my NH movements change day/date an hour early, always on the dot at 1259.

[@Harvin87]

Would be cool if you could make a guide assembling a watch with the SW-200

[@DIYWatchClub]

We are releasing a SW200 kit as we speak!

[@DIYWatchClub]

Here you go! shop.diywatch.club/collections/diy-swiss-watch-kit?fbclid=IwAR13Zj0-mQCE3jHdV1W_Cihi1QlSoqz5YZ9UndfGppQhwfvPWHgs8zIRrHY

[@danielhristov6175]

Cool, compare it to a Spring drive now.

[@rosomak8244]

The griddy winding of the NH35 is due to smaller gears and overcomming the magic lever self winding system.

[@b4nnediss_here721]

Well if u compare a 30vs200 movement that says something about the value of nh35

[@PocketUau]

Good job comparing a premium model with a low cost model. Compare it to a Miyota 9015.

[@dannytan7923]

I still prefer japanese movement as for accuracy, reliable, durable & affordable!Servicing at a affordable price range compare to swiss movement! I own a Swiss Army Victorinox Maverick Blue Automatic Model: 241706, and as for the hand winding part, it's troublesome to wind it back & fourth as to be careful for over winding! As for Japanese movement, I can wind it easily & smoothly till now! And no servicing for over 5yrs & still working as good so far! IMO!

[@glenh4971]

I am a novice home watch enthusiast and tinkerer. For my needs I only buy NH series and 82XX watch movements. I would not buy a Selita movement for a hobby watch project. Its over kill and would not really improve the project enough to justify the expense of purchasing a Swiss watch movement. Maybe in the future, when I gain experience and knowledge I might purchase a SW200 movement if it is justified. For now, if you really want a high beat movement, why not try an ST2130 or a PT5000 movement? Cheaper and more practical for the home watch project.

[@DIYWatchClub]

Getting a Chinese 2824 clone is perfectly fine choice to start with. We once disassembled one, man it was so drenched in oil that the US army could invaded it. And its performance deteriorated quickly. But with proper servicing and oiling, it went back to okayish performance. It's an inexpensive choice to get to know the in and outs of a 2824. Not recommended for anything more.

[@glenh4971]

@@DIYWatchClub Performance can vary. I have an ST2130 and also a pt5000 in two of my watches. They are both fine watches. I have heard of other people having issues with theirs but I have had good experience with mine. I have also heard that as time goes on they are improving the quality control on both these movements. People are reporting well oiled and beautifully regulated performance from their PT5000. Yes, I know, Swiss movements are better movements. In my view, I would not put a swiss movement into a hobby watch. Its over kill. If you buy a name brand watch then its ok. Hobby watches usually have very little residual value so you might as well use generic movements.

[@DIYWatchClub]

@@glenh4971 Good to hear that the Chinese is improving their quality control. This is going to benefit hobbyists so much.

[@johnhebert3855]

No one mentioned the most important difference. The precision of the NH35 (rate & rate stability) will be crap compared to the Sellita.

[@modestghost9732]

This is a great video! could you do a Miyota movement too?

[@DarkstarDarth]

Now lets compare the aeiko spring drive on a GS.

[@samueldavila2156]

BTW have you heard about the SW200 chinese clone movement that is more accurate than the original swiss made ETA2824-2? PT5000 😅

[@R023N]

this video would have made more sense if it was comparison between the SW200 and something like the Miyota 9015

[@kaAndres]

The main difference is price and durability!🥰

[@JohanDee]

Somehow I think that a Japanese movement can stand long time without any service ticking along for decades, while the expensive Swiss needed a couple of expensive services. In other words, same difference as with Japanese versus German cars ! 😂

[@211teitake]

Despite that he chose to cover these movements without any outside influence, he still gives so much excuses both in the video and on the comment. If you can't be fair, just admit that you are a biased reviewer.

[@el_puma_real]

As soon as I saw the title of the video I said to my self: “Buckle up, the comments are gonna get spicey.” I was not disappointed. Brands and in this case movements have their fans and they can get prickly if you say there is something a bit better than what they have. I wish fandom wasn’t so annoying, but it is. Good video.

[@DIYWatchClub]

And spicy it did get. IMO it always is a good thing to get a healthy discussion going. I'm having a blast reading all the first hand experience with both movements.

[@pranaymitra7565]

This does not show the difference between the design philosophy of Swiss v Japanese movements at all, only the between cheap and expensive movements. An expensive Japanese movement like the SW200 will have all metal parts, tighter tolerances etc.

[@rif6876]

Why not compare a genuine ETA 2824 vs. sw200 vs. st2130 vs. pt5000? That's the expensive swiss vs. inexpensive chinese mvmts.

[@Mr986Willis]

By the way, the Tissot powermatic 80 has a plastic palette fork and plastic escape wheel.

[@cazealves]

Existe compatibilidade de alguma máquina? Tipo: NH36 & ETA 7750?

[@Khrann]

No matter how you put it, given they are all super old movements and their costs have been amortized, the price difference makes no sense and it's only due to the "prestige" of one of the two being Swiss Made. Swiss stuff is usually not worth any single of your pennies, the only watches more or less priced as they should are the basic Swatch watches.

[@thejohnson9204]

Brilliantly explained video. Thankyou mate.

[@kresimirpleic]

Subscribed! Can you PLEASE make a video on the new La Joux-Perret G100, D100 and L100 movements? The G100 is made to be a direct competitor to the 2824/SW200 due to the same dimensions. Not sure about the other ones. But they will, or already have appeared in some good value brands such as Frederique Constant and Edox, as well as many microbrands.

[@DIYWatchClub]

Thanks for the sub! That's some interesting movements for comparison. I'll see if I can track down any of those.

[@bobalouie2413]

I would also recommend a brass tweezers because they are non-magnetic.

[@dannymorin1291]

What is the point saying that its unfair to compare them since they have different price point and still doing the comparison? Then using the result of this unfair (your words) comparison to conclude that swiss movements are better quality???

[@alec-s]

Had both in many watches and Seiko Is way Better in every aspect. Is precise as mucho of the eta, charges Better, lasts twice as much and instead of servicing you can change It for the same/ half the price

[@fairifazli8918]

Should compare with Seiko 8L series with SW200 😂

[@frankieracing1048]

I feel the comparaison is not really fair to the seiko due to the price difference between the two movements, seiko beiing far less expensive...

[@1968gadgetyo]

SW200 = $189 NH35A = as low $30 Not a fair comparison. Seiko's 6R15 is a fairer comparison.

[@frankieracing1048]

@@1968gadgetyo even tho it's not fair for the nh35,but still we know the seiko will run far longer without a service...

[@1968gadgetyo]

@@frankieracing1048 🤣🤣And NH35 is responsible for so many microbrands watches.

[@wilee.coyotegenius7998]

I love seiko and citizen watches.

[@WatchModVN]

case for NH36 can fit miyota 8285?

[@alioral1358]

First mechanical watch can be japan mechanism. You can learn how to care watch and get experiences. Then you can buy swiss made watch. That why I did it )

[@eggsII]

It’s too bad that there isn’t a Japanese movement that is more in line with the SW200 in terms of price point. Miyota’s 9000 series is about as close as it gets, but it’s a far cry… I wonder why Seiko hasn’t released a higher-grade movement for general use. Maybe afraid that it will provide direct competition to their watches?

[@DIYWatchClub]

If I have to guess, it's mostly market strategies. Anything higher end than 6R for the Seiko means Grand Seiko/King Seiko. Releasing those movements to the public kind of ruins the exclusivity of the higher end lines. btw 9015 is a damn fine movement tbh. It's really as close as it gets.

[@eggsII]

If only the winding experience weren’t so gritty on the Miyota.

[@mattmcgriff5952]

I own 2 watches with SW200, one Miyota 9011 and a Seiko 6R35. Both of the Sellita watches wind rough with grinding and backlash, and both Japanese movements are smooth as butter when winding. Especially the 6R. I recently was shopping watches in the $2k USD range and had a really hard time justifying paying 5x the $ for watches with upmarket brands with the same movement as my 2 “Swiss made” watches that are nicely featured and finished. Ended up going with a Citizen HAQ watch with superior design, precision and rarity at that price point.

[@eggsII]

@@mattmcgriff5952 I Very interesting! I own four or five watches with SW200 movements, two or three watches with/ NH3x movements and three with Miyota 9000 series movements. Of all the watches, the Miyota 9000 series movements have the roughest manual winding.

[@morgan.enfield]

Is the NH35 really a Japanese movement? According to some, it's more Malaysian or even Chinese, but it's an excellent movement and that's what's important.

[@DIYWatchClub]

It can be produced in Japan, in Malaysia, and as some rumors have it, in China. But the country of origin doesn't seem to affect the quality of the movement, given that it's a real Seiko/TMI movement.

[@Shawn_White]

The NH35 is the export version of the 4R35. The only difference is that the 4R35 has Seiko branding and is only available in Seiko watches while the NH35 has no branding and is sold to microbrands. However both movements are manufactured by Seiko.

[@juanmanuelcabrerizogarcia1763]

Y que me puedes contar del 4r39 que diferencia hay con los suizos en esaxtitud

[@yftan2873]

for me, as long as it tells time accurately

[@thejupiter2]

The NH35 is less than HALF the price. Go figure.

[@DIYWatchClub]

BUT still going toe to toe with any other movements! 🫡

[@yamasail]

Some of the gears in the Japanese movement also look stamped.

[@JozzipB]

My Oris with sw200 keeps tickin 3 years already with -2,-3 secs per day :)

[@haraldglinka3791]

Why not compare it to a grand seiko movement? They won every time against any Swiss movements. 7 years then geleverd stopped the contest 😅😅😅

[@bhubestakesoponsatien1143]

How many % parts comes from? Just Brand !

[@MrSongib]

It's kinda missleading. What we done here is two different price point and the "Cost" needs to go somewhere either good or bad. The "expensive" part are mostly come from materials, assembly, and machining differences and other big things today are "ads". I had Zero knowledge of watches, but the basic principle on any product is there "Price". "Why Swiss Mechanical Movement is More Expensive" became out of wack if you mention general things and specific things together it make the viewer kinda "Cool, whatever and a bit confuse" as you you can see in the dislike ratio. The amount of general information and specific need to balance out with any product that you want to talk about. So the viewer can had better judgment either the Video is Helpfull, good, okay ish, misleading, confusing .etc.

[@WilliamHinojosa]

As an engineer I cant stand this, you cannot touch "movement" Movement refers to an action, that cannot be touched. He means the gears. Just hearing that over and over made me cringe.

[@karunanidhinirajkamal6379]

Now compare two movements that costs the same.

[@dima343.]

I will easily prefer Miyota 9015 over this poor copy of ETA2824, called Sellita SW200. I encountered such problems in Sellita, like some parts prematurely wear-down, and the same parts in ETA never had any problem.

[@TheoryTech]

Franky, I'm more impressed with what Seiko can do for $30.

[@jperryhal]

not sure some of those comments are objective. How about comparing a Grand Seiko 9SA5 to the Sellita S200? yeah, so maybe just stick to the philsophical differences and not perceived quality. why not compare Japanese car engines to European car engines while you are at it? (especially in terms of reliability) Each of these companies has specific goals in mind when designing their movements. Seiko "can" make a movement equivalent to a Sellita S200 and the Swiss definitely make movements that are basically budget throw-away affairs. (literally) So, let's be a little more logical when evaluating what a movement is and what it does, who designed it, for what purpose and at what cost requirement.