Does the 1700 BEAT the 7700K in Games when STREAMING?

[@Bitwit]

Note: The memory on Ryzen didn't want to clock higher than 2666 but I was able to hit 3200 with another kit using different dies (after the video was made of course) so for now I'll be using those modules to ensure we squeeze the most performance out of Ryzen

[@shanematthews1985]

Whats the difference like on the stock clocks between these two and how does something like OW affect these numbers, i'm a fan of the AMD platform as a whole so i'm trying to tell if ryzen is actually worth the upgrade at this point, i assume you'll also do a similar video when the R5's arrive as those are going to be quite popular

[@sirjynx3041]

THANK YOU for a real fucking test. The LTT video was doing stupid shit like comparing the 1800x on Veryfast preset to a 7700k on Ultrafast preset and then insinuating Ultrafast was a more intensive preset... the dumbest shit I have ever seen. No one in their right mind would buy either an i7 or 1700/1800x and use veryfast or faster. They did no tests on fast or faster presets, which are most probable settings, and no apples to apples comparisons for presets. It's like they had no idea what they were doing. ....just thanks for a real test man.

[@andyS13]

Hey Kyle, any plans for comparing a Ryzen 5 4c/8t chip to the FX-9590? ~4GHz new architecture vs 5GHz old architecture

[@thezac2613]

Cool, thanks for addressing it!

[@waheedhassan7884]

that's great would like to see new benchmarks with 3200 ram speed.. cheers!!

[@MagWasTaken]

This video was all framerates and performance hits on gaming. Not a single word about how it handled the video output, which is what streamers would actually come to this video for. For that reason it's kind of useless to a lot of people looking for actual streaming setup advice. What I would've like to see is how well the videos were actually streamed, and maybe even some examples of x264 encoding at higher bitrates like ones used in recordings (maybe around 10-15kbps)

[@arkplaysgame3826]

yup the slightly worse out put can put off viewer when they watch it on 1080p 60 fps or even 30 fps

[@vask92]

MAGTF167 there's not a word about stream quality bc Intel would drop frames like crazy on fast preset 😉 guess why he didn't show any stream footage

[@PrayujK]

MAGTF167 Check out Linus's video if you're looking for stream quality between Intel and Ryzen

[@MagWasTaken]

Personally I know Intel drops frames like a mother. But you make it sound like he was paid off by Intel to make them look better. I think he just didn't show any stream footage because that's not what he chose to focus the video on.

[@PrayujK]

No, that was clearly not the fucus of the video

[@mikkoeskola461]

Only question i have is why was doom tested in opengl and not in vulkan?

[@GraveUypo]

isn't nvidia a bit better in opengl? i dunno.

[@Bitwit]

I've had poor luck getting monitoring tools to work with vulkan, even the ones that are supposed to work. Perhaps I'll try again soon

[@RAFID]

fyi afterburner supports vulkan

[@Roderkik]

with rivatuner??? not for me...

[@Doomdog308]

Bitwit please can you send me a gaming pc or just a computer that will play rust because my laptop get 15 fps on rust and I can't play it so that will be nice if you can do that thank you :):):):):):)

[@SeeMzFTW]

good test, but I feel like almost all streamers are more worried about dropped frames on their stream as opposed to what FPS they're playing at, so that should've been included IMO. Also, 1080p60 at 3500 bitrate is unreasonable, especially with twitch's recent update that allows up to 6000, so that probably should have been the tested bitrate.

[@spencercarruth9706]

Are you put of your mind? Most people watch streams on their phones or have had internet which is why higher bitrates can actually be a negative for most people. The quality difference between 3500 and 6000 will not be that noticeable trust me.

[@SeeMzFTW]

Spencer Carruth quality options exist for a reason, and twitch also just extended quality options to all users. So there really is no downside to a high bitrate. Not to mention in previous versions of twitch where non-partners didn't have quality options, 3500 bitrate would still be less than ideal so your point doesn't really make sense.

[@kaas8543]

Wait, isn't the whole point of the test to see how the stream looks like?? I think streamers would care more about the streams viewers experiences instead of their own experience ... so yeah. Mind making a video testing this?

[@CstrikeH4X]

I think his sugar daddies at Intel wont be happy with him showing the slideshow simulator that 7700K outputs.

[@Mrtntdrv]

Kaas85 we already know that ryzen stream for streamer is better

[@Tequilaselaii]

can we also get them to run more Stream popular games instead of this years AAA titles that are pretty much irrelevant?

[@Ephem13]

In general, games popular for streaming are not taxing enough to get a proper stress reading on either CPU. AAA titles have the ability to stress the system for this type of data comparison. As for what CPU gives the viewer a better experience, Ryzen has proven to be superior, not that many Intel CPUs can't do a fine job of it, in that category so testing on that end would be moot.

[@vask92]

Kaas85 Yeah there's no way Intel didn't drop some frames at fast preset. Disliked the video 👍

[@marctamayo5294]

Wait for ryzen

[@cocosloan3748]

LOL

[@Tuchulu]

Wait for Sandy Bridge

[@FlaviaPitariu]

Maybe just buy what you can afford and hope that ryzen can eventually support the highest ddr4 which is currently 4266

[@AcidSugar1414]

Flavia Pitariu why do I care about RAM speed again?

[@manuelnagore4409]

Because Ryzen DOES work better with faster rams, something to do with the Core Complexes comunicating with each other.

[@thezac2613]

@BitWit, Why did you provide the R7 with slower RAM? We have seen the infinity fabric really flex its muscles with fast ram.

[@AustinClick]

I think they're still having issues with the faster RAM speeds, because I've seen Linus and Jayz both use 2666 with the 1700, but I think Jay got 3200 working on an ASUS mobo with the 1800X. Hopefully as more BIOS updates come out, we'll see more people able to get fast RAM working with Ryzen and close the performance gap.

[@rick_takahashi]

thezac2613 this guy's a joke.. he's clearly not able to do that (or his crew for that matter). Meanwhile, some people can reach 3600mhz easy... *cough* mindblanktech *cough*

[@dishantmishra3940]

thezac2613 see the pinned comment.

[@thezac2613]

Dishant Mishra I have. I posted this comment well before Kyle added that explanation.

[@dishantmishra3940]

thezac2613 Ayy. I see that now. Well enough!

[@Nedrozak]

Don't forget that the 1700 was running only with 2666Mhz RAM but the 7700K with 3200Mhz.

[@yassinebelg8286]

Ram frequency have a veryy low impact on the fps so thats not an excuse...

[@TheDkapa1]

@@yassinebelg8286 it affects ryzen performance you piece of shit

[@provo1337]

@@yassinebelg8286 thats right, but under 2666mhz there is a huge diffrent.. but after 2666 not

[@forgiv]

Think it should be noted that this test is strictly for gaming performance while streaming and does not, in any way, show streaming quality while gaming. I see people shitting on the LTT video based on their misunderstanding of the difference in purpose of the two tests. The two videos DO NOT test the same thing and should not be compared to each other. Instead they should be compounded as they are two parts of the bigger picture. Gaming performance while streaming: Intel > AMD Streaming performance while gaming: AMD > Intel

[@arkplaysgame3826]

yup but most will disagree with u either they have never watch live stream gameplay on twitch and are clueless of what is happening in LTT video its amusing

[@railshot888]

Yea 7700k streams just fine if you stream at gimped settings.

[@forgiv]

I'm not claiming to know why one outperforms the other in specific tasks, I'm not educated enough to make any such claims. I'm simply stating that the two tests do, in fact, test different things and that the results were as I posted. The way I see it, Kyle's test is one for gamers that stream. While Linus made a video for streamers that game. I didn't like the hate that Linus was getting from gamers for a solid set of benchmarks made for streamers.

[@dfytie1]

Thank you for this video! I have been bouncing back and forth trying to decide which platform to upgrade to. This makes that decision a lot easier!

[@snrd]

Wait a second! Did you use Intel QuickSync when streaming with the 7700k and x264 with the R7 1700 or did you use x264 for both? That wasn't really clear in this video. If the former is the case it's like comparing apples to oranges. The x264 encoder gives far better details and quality overall.

[@hellowalkman4506]

SunRed yes most likely.

[@danielkerr4100]

SunRed I used all of the. for streaming and u can't tell really so I'm using nvenc on gtx1080 now looks just the same

[@TheManicGeek]

Excellently done video, Kyle! Really like the presentation of the data and significance of the results being explained for a less experienced viewer. Also a nice selection of games to be streamed that are a real-world scenario for most users out there, making the results even more relevant as of filming and release of this video. Keep these up, you do them well!

[@jarvis8bit]

I have a 6700K (4.8Ghz) - And there is no way you can stream a CPU intensive game with the Intel i7 at fast, without insane frame skips - It would be a freaking slideshow for the viewer.. :) If you wanna stream in super high quality - Build a Ryzen 1700 stream PC, with low end GPU - And use Capture card (non 144hz montior support on gamePC because of monitor cloning) or Moonlight to send the screen output to stream PC.. ONLY way to do it, without any real performance hit ingame. :-)

[@jonnathan780]

Jarvis8bit Intel quick sync my boi, streaming w/ my 6600k on overwatch and only drops like 10 fps lul

[@jarvis8bit]

Intel Quick sync looks terrible - even Nvenc looks better now! But good for you, you wanna use it.

[@icksTeevee]

You seem pretty informed. Not a single capture card supporting 144hz? Also you should check rtmp nginx. That's also a great option to avoid spending extra money to a capture card.

[@jarvis8bit]

Rtmp server works good, but you have to run OBS on game computer.. Tjeck out Moonlight App for chorme - It uses Nvidia share and works awesome!

[@DecodeAGamer]

Nah, you use NDI instead, the ONLY way to do it, fuck Elgato.

[@nickolas474]

I'm not well informed about streaming tech so pardon me if I sound like an idiot. So, these are numbers that the person doing the streaming sees, right. Will the people watching the livestream get the same graphical fidelity between CPUs and framerates proportional to these results?

[@tiagopinto6637]

No. That's the thing. Watch LinusTechtips video about this since it's recent. It shows the amount of frames it drops and the visual experience we, the viewers, end up getting.

[@nickolas474]

Isn't the LTT video comparing all kinds of encoding processes, though, whereas here it seems everything's x264, whatever that is?

[@sirjynx3041]

The Linus video is complete bullshit. The only thing it proves is that x284 is the superior choose for encoding. He never showed apples to apples settings between any of the intel or amd chips. He was showing things like the 1800x on veryfast, and 7700k on superfast. The superfast setting is WORSE not better, but he didnt realize that some how. Also, no streamer with these chipsets are going to use those settings, it would be a waste of their CPU. They would most likely use fast (like Kyle did here) or faster settings. Which Linus didnt even test.

[@sirjynx3041]

Yes the Linus video is a trashcan of bad information. In short, as long as the streamer isnt dropping frames, you wont notice any difference in quality as a viewer between the two chips using the same settings. So which ever CPU best handles the settings, would be the better experience.

[@Arudis4x]

Tiago Pinto Yah it did. It compared same settings on both chips using different encoders as the benchmark. Some people just didn't pay enough attention to the graphs. It also shows the quality differences of each encoding scheme which is where he drew his conclusions from. The x.264 looks the best for viewers. Quicksync looked like ass.

[@TheUltimateGamerXD]

Why is the Brandenburg Concerto playing in the background? xD This is wonderful!

[@GraveUypo]

april and still testing ryzen with 2400mhz memory. why?

[@knives6683]

Pretty good considering not a single one of those titles is optimised for Ryzen. The industry really needs these new CPUs to do well and I hope people get that through their thick skulls. There is no 'right' side of the fence, only a good deal should matter to everyone.

[@Thesinistereyes1]

2666 mhz on ram.... pretty much everyone can get 3200mhz with flare x ram....

[@ElectricosCosmos]

Well done, the exact kind of comparison video I've been waiting to see.

[@Kampadakis_Junior]

3.9 ghz vs 4.9 ghz

[@staiain]

A large portion of partnered streamers on twitch stream at 720p60 using "medium" preset at about 3500 - 6000kbps. Very few actually streams at a higher resolution and anyone who does uses dual pc setups. I feel like it would be more a way more accurate "real world" scenario to test the settings most people would use instead of 1080p60 which is a bit excessive for the majority. I really hope this doesn't come off bad or anything, i like the concept of the video!

[@weasle2904]

Lmao, look up LTT's streaming video. AMD's quality is much better as well as handling the many other multitasking things Streamers do. And the framerates of the game itself was not the point here

[@Gaming_Groove]

As a small-time streamer the thing that interests me is not the impact to to the performance of the game while streaming, but rather the performance of the stream itself. I may have missed whether or not you mentioned it, but what were the dropped frames looking like on both CPUs? Watching your browser window on the BF1 test it looked like you were dropping a ton of frames. Currently I use a dedicated capture/streaming PC to offload the work from my gaming machine because I've only got a 3rd gen i5 in it. I'm looking at building a new PC and would like to be able to have a one-PC solution.

[@sundkere8415]

Thats not fair you have overclocked the 7700k to 4.9 ghz and 1700 at stock frequenzi and the 7700k has 3200 mhz ram and the 1700 has only 2666 mhz ram (sorry for my bad english)

[@BabatundeOgunde]

Yeah 7700K should only be overclocked to 4.6/4.7 GHz max for benchmarks because anything above realistically requires a delid because of the high temps and most consumers will not be doing that. 5 GHz benchmarks are unrealistic because only braindead intel loyalists will go that far to void their warranty for overclocks.

[@XDeadzX]

I'm really enjoying these more common use case videos over a single game on a fresh install benches.

[@danielepicone2557]

On the i7 16GB 3200MHz, on the R7 16GB 2666... 😕

[@Fiterpilot]

Great video dude! Much respect for actually using evidence and not just going one way or the other.

[@Dodosimch]

the legend says that if you write a comment early enough, kyle responds

[@Bitwit]

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[@Dodosimch]

Officially you are my favorite

[@wreckless1870]

ido simchoni The prophecy!

[@daweitao2668]

So many people seem to be thinking the i7 came out on top. Doom aside (not a cpu demanding game at all) the impact on the 1700 was far less and the lows were better than the i7, i.e. the gameplay would be smoother. Kyle even summerized it at the end and recommended the R7 over the i7 if you are gaming and streaming. I don't understand why so many seem to be misunderstanding what was in the video

[@Syntegy]

why isnt there just a clear winner I'm building a 1500 buck build and am struggling on what processor to get.

[@markusbock3364]

There is. Watch Linus' video in terms of quality Ryzen wins which isnt shown here

[@Syntegy]

Markus Böck I did and he made a huge mistake by not showing stream quilt and he only had ram clocked at 2666 instead of 3200 witch the 7700 was

[@Syntegy]

I wasn't talking about Linus I was talking about this channel

[@Tasso-d2]

Get a 7700K u won't regret it.

[@Syntegy]

Tasso gamer but I don't know if he was using a mobo with the updated bios that has a 30 percent increase in fps and I will be hardcore editing because I run this youtube channel and I'm going to stream hardcore so what about rendering vids what is faster

[@carlapr97]

Nice video! To be honest I decided to sub as soon as I heard a Brandenburg Concerto as background music.

[@vahvelpoiss]

i7 4.9GHz vs 1700 3.9GHz. lol

[@ifluro]

Anti Rästa I was going to say the same. A 1Ghz advantage there.

[@iFkNxLegend]

Anti Rästa you know comparing cpu clock speed is a bunch of crap right?

[@jisoo-kun]

i7 4C/8T vs 1700 8C/16T. lol

[@vahvelpoiss]

@Flyest # of cores/threads do not matter if software is limited to fewer cores that let's the performance to be compared properly @ Cral it is for a very small group though. not everyone are going to overclock their CPUs. for example even I used to rock with 51/51/50/50 lapped i5 2500k, but now I have settled for a locked i7 4790. I might get a K, but not anytime soon I think

[@JustBenching]

+Cral e *So how good a cpu can overclock on average isn't a factor in whether or not you should buy it?* Of course it is, when you can actually overclock the CPU out of the box, with the same costs. That's not the case here though. You can't overclock the 7700k at all, heck you can't even make it boot to windows without a cooler. And that will cost you up to 80-90$ if you want to go to 5.0ghz, and I'm not even sure you can do that without delid. Also, the cheapest z170 mobo is 150$. So, you are already running 130$ more than the R7 costs. But even with that said, the R7 1700 system performs better when streaming even though it costs 130$ less. If that's not a stomp from AMD, then I don't know what a stomp looks like. Care to pain me a picture?

[@gamingnerdy2183]

Good video, and certainly helpful for considering processors for a streaming rig. (Which I would never be able to afford) But did you also consider overall stream quality on the viewers' side? For example, lag or frame drops?

[@Vextime77]

bow to ryzen intel scrubs.

[@bayonetta9414]

Raven crow Ryzen is just a glorified fx8000 kappa

[@jenny-masterchef]

soon everybody will know the secret of ryzen.what about the 7700?intel must be shamed really.

[@hochhaul]

Ryzen and FX (Bulldozer) are completely different and unrelated designs. Ryzen is a clean sheet micro-architecture pleb.

[@ELBoomerTV]

Hey you forgot the Temps, again, or should I say, AMD can produce heaters with cheap prices, as usual, that's why no one is showcasing the temps at all, but if you manage to check other unpopular videos you actually see the real downside of all AMD products, heat, more heat and endless heat.

[@VulpesHD]

IGamer InsideI Products of AMD these days run at the same temperatures as Intel or nvidia products.

[@schecterdiamond177]

Either way I have an i7 7700k oc and a gtx 1070 oc and so far while streaming and recording at the same time I've had a wonderful time. I'm sure ryzen would have been a better bet if I had known the benefits at the time. But all and all my i7 rig has been a beast for streaming and recording and I honestly could not be happier. Didn't plan on streaming and recording but with my i7 it was an option so I figured why not and it's been awesome. Good job Mr.Awesomesauce I enjoy your videos as always.

[@devsenguptajavawarrior]

I don't know why anyone should buy i7 now. A Ryzen 1700 is more than capable of running games and doing major multi-threading tasks flawlessly. Given it measure about 10-15 FPS drop in some games, but these are not running on Vulkan API, and nor has it received the proper BIOS updates. However, for that 15FPS increase in i7 7700K, people are paying $30 more, for a processor that doesn't have good multi-threaded performance. If you are going to just build a gaming PC its fine., but ask yourself this, will you never work on it? If the answer is YES, then go for Ryzen.

[@bigturkey1]

imgur.com/a/fYfMu

[@devsenguptajavawarrior]

Its just $5 less on Newegg. The un-overclocked 7700K costs $315 against 1700's $320.

[@GumpOtaku]

Al Bundy the 1800X is not even the Ryzen chip in question. comparing a Mustang to a Lambo is not going to win arguments for you.

[@NoRRyRaMpaGe]

dev sengupta so your saying an 7700k is only good for gaming and nothing else? do u know how stupid u sound? the 7700k is a very powerful chip that does alot more than playing games, im a content creater and I still choose gaming performance over render time because I dont care that my video render takes 2 or 3 minutes more than a 1700 and u say 15 more fps? the 1800x gets beat by a 6 year old oced 2600k so as a content creater and gamer im still going to choose a 7700k over ryzen any day

[@GumpOtaku]

Norry Rampage hate to be the grammar Nazi but its creator not creater... also I am on the side of the consumer, so people's choice of CPU should be theirs. that being said I think the 1700 is the middle of the ground choice for people who can't build $1000 beats.

[@evangalinsky2499]

I can honestly say that I helped a friend of mine pick out PC parts, and helped him build it, though it was through Skype, and he has the 1700X and 1070 compared to my 6600K and 1060. Even though the difference in hardware is drastic, when my friend streams, (and he and I both stream a game on Twitch called War Thunder), his stream is SO MUCH clearer than that of anyone else really. It really is incredible to see it so clear on a stream. And him obviously having better hardware his frames were much better than mine, I tend to hang around 120 while streaming, and he hangs around 200 regardless of streaming or not. (We both stream at 720p 60fps btw with a bit rate of 3500). It really is a shocking difference. (His 1700X btw is at 4.0ghz and my 6600K is at 4.3, both of our GPUs have factory OC's)

[@MaelstromWrath]

Boring...

[@edwardjones3887]

Its a CPU comparison you dumb fuck, if its boring your not watching it for the right reason

[@trialgamingftw9988]

LOL pinned

[@ByteRoster]

I know! WHO subscribes to a tech tuber for tech content? Like wtf I wanna see 100 jar mayo eating challenge, geez.

[@cgraham6]

Still more tech content than the WAN show...

[@FreeSpirit90]

Severe Arts Linus made a video about streaming with ryzen with more detail.

[@NizarElZarif]

Great video as usual. But one thing is missing, how about the quality of the stream? which platform suffered more frame skip?

[@angelov1080]

In short: No, no it doesn't.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Martin, my probably Bulgarian mate... Ryzen won...

[@the-bgrspot6997]

Alex Its a me, Gate Overvoltage.... ShintelVidiots are retarded

[@rinhato8453]

Uh, did you watch the same video?

[@sirjynx3041]

Ryzen didnt win actually. It showed if the game is more CPU intensive, Ryzen was better sometimes, but if it was GPU intensive, Intel still won. These were also all on ultra settings. I am sure if it was a CPU intensive game, lowering the settings a bit would equalized performance again. So what we can really conclude, is that unless you are a 1 game streaming, and no how if your game is more CPU or GPU intensive, it is kind of a wash. I would even dare say more games played by a variety streamer are more often GPU intensive anyway, which would show the Intel chip being of more value on average. But they are close enough it doesnt matter.

[@Mrtntdrv]

Martin Angelov bie go

[@myhnea92]

Love Bach's music in the background :). Awesome videos btw :D.

[@HolarMusic]

ARMARGURD THE RZYNE PC HAD 150WATS MORE ON THE PSU KYLE IS AMD FANBOY SELLOTU UNSCRIB!!!!!11!!

[@HolarMusic]

subscrib to pauls software if you agree or something idc

[@averyhuelsbeck3116]

I would really like to see how many frame drops you had while streaming between both chips. Not really asking for more content, I just know that you've got to make videos frequently to feed yourself, and I bet coming up with ideas all the time isn't too easy. Maybe like a follow-up video or something. Cheers, been watching for years

[@Dongsa]

Thank you for using a GTX1070. I have one and it's nice to see. Picked up a 1700 as well, couldn't wait for the 1600/1600x. So far so good wish my RAM could go beyond 2667MHz as well. Hopefully with the new bios updates this month. ASRock X370 Fatal1ty Gaming K4 here BIOS 2.00

[@christopherkelley8462]

Great video Bit. Really would love to see a video of this with the 1800x or a 1700 oc to 4ghz, since from what I've seen my ryzen 1700 oc'd to 4.025ghz really really performs right with a 1800x in terms of benchmarking, at least at 3.8-3.9ghz with the stock cooler, which should be entirely possible.

[@GuilleGhemi]

ufair again because you overclocked the 7700l up to almost 5 ghz. Let the clocks at stock, both of them then you will see a fair comparation....

[@freedomofmotion]

Hey man thanks for the video. I'm curious though what happens when you stream at higher quality settings, I. E instead of fast mode perhaps a setting between fast and best quality. High quality setting tests would be appreciated as well but I know how long bench marking takes but I recon you would could get just as many views with a video about that so potentially worth your time?

[@4N4L4Seinfeld]

Great video like always, Kyle!

[@lrmcatspaw1]

I am a bit surprised to see so few games tested. (I know the time it takes to run the tests is far longer). Also, I dont know If I saw that right, you are capturing 4K, transcoding to 1080p, but you run games at 1080p and 1440p? Isnt that weird? I would assume the best test case is 1080p into 1080p (for minimal cpu load). and 4k into 720p for max cpu load. Also, you can stream 1080p / 60 FPS on 3500 upload? I am wondering if the stream was choppy, since thats a lot of data to fit into 3500 :D.

[@1badMucker]

nice video Kyle. btw what's that wallpaper O.o

[@kennakenna5002]

Carlos Sanchez same, I wanna know too

[@austinhamilton1234]

I'm curious if this test would be a little different if you had the following things open and running: The game, OBS, a chrome tab for monitoring chat, a chrome tab for streamlabs, and a chrome tab for playing music off of KZbin (or alternatively Spotify open and playing music)

[@davekorbiger]

Great video! This is an amazing year for the competition between AMD and Intel. Skylake/Kabylake & Z270/X299 vs. Ryzen & X370 will be VERY interesting! :D

[@jb3d247]

You need to do a new comparison between the 1700 and the 7700k with all the bios updates for Ryzen

[@DuncDog]

Do over with a higher setting? LTT got drastically different results so you may want to try again with higher tier settings on both for a strict CPU/CPU software encoding comparision to let the 2x cores/threads become more apparent.

[@Debate_everything]

I'm build my 1700x this weekend and I'm definitely feeling confident it's going to be a beast for a stream only pc but I think what's great to take away from it how well a 4 core chip with 8 "logical" cores can handle these loads as a native 8 core does.

[@DatNaturalHerb]

i have my first custom build using ryzen 7 1700 with 2x Rx 480 8gb graphics card. when i stream i still see pixelation on the stream side as a viewers. after playing with ingame settings the pixelation goes down a bit but still there. on obs i still get frame drops but not as much as my old i7 2600 did. the ryzen 7 1700 can perform the needs for a streamer without needing 2 computers to get the best quality. keep in mind my cpu is at 3.245hz and the gpus are at stock speed. i have yet to go higher in overclocking on the ryzen since im a noob at that kind of stuff. but even on streamers running two computers there is still pixelation so i see no sense running two comps.

[@nikolanimcevic7916]

Hey Bitwit, great video! I was wondering what is your opinion on what is a better CPU option for programs like Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, 3D Max, AutoCAD and other graphics and 3D rendering software. I am in in a dilemma between Intel 7700k and Ryzen7 1700 (x). I wont be using the PC for gaming, maybe once in a while, but mostly I will be using it for work. Also I am thinking if pairing it with a GTX 1070 GPU. Let me know what you think, I highly respect you opinion.

[@DCikac]

Thank you VERY much for clarifying this because because ryzen was not getting the love that it deserved. It's obvious that 7700k has much more IOPS because of his frequency and is better for gaming, but ryzen r7 series excels at multitasking and betas much pricier intel processors. I would love to see 2 more tests. One when u compare these two in Crysis 3 because if I'm not wrong cryengine uses the potential of 8 cores. The other one is with a intel Xeon processor. For example Xeon E3-1245 v3 it costs about 200$ on ebay and I think it can do very well on a 1150 motherboard, or an Xeon E5-2690 for around 150-200$. I know I'm asking for much but love what you are doing and i believe you can make a great video about these 2 topics. Thank again for a great video!

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

WOW 10 months ago.. Wander How Ryzen does now that it's up to date and stable, Because at the time of this video they were still having BIOS problems on all Boards and brands.. (Now Ryzen is the undisputed Price to Performance Heavy weight Champ!!!) Can't wait for Zen 2...

[@raph89117]

isnt it crazy that theres actual talk about whether you should buy an amd cpu vs an intel one, i love what is happening and hope it continues!

[@Kevin_Eder]

If you're willing to put the time in, I'd be interested in seeing a quality comparison of 1700, 7700K, and both Nvidia and Quicksync hardware encoders. LMG did a video on it but they used the speed preset for Quicksync instead of the quality and the 6000Kbps comparison was thrown in at the end during the summary. It just felt incomplete the way they did it and I'd be interested in having another person test it.

[@defm1]

Really love the streaming related videos. I'd love to give it a try some day.

[@miikaeatsbagels7320]

You should do a video of the 1600x vs the 6700k for streaming. I know large quantities of people who use these two chipsets over the 8-cores, and the i5's when streaming. Especially for people who want to stream on budgets.

[@tylerweigand8875]

Why 2666 MHz on Ryzen? It benefits from higher clocks in gaming a lot.

[@DjNaiRo]

You forgot one very important info here. How many frames where dropped due to encoding lag? I highly doubt that the 7700k does 1080p60 at fast without suffering encoding lag. You can find these numbers in the log files of obs.

[@dethskullcrusher]

I truly believe that the industry will shift from 4 core cpu's to 8+ cores very soon in gaming

[@lukebell4191]

One thing this video doesn't compare is the QUALITY of the video feed while streaming. Linus Tech Tips provides a nice comparison video that would argue that, even though the 7700K gives more frames to the user, streaming with it provides a worse experience for the viewer of the stream than the RYZEN chip.

[@SirMo]

If you multitask, stream.. more cores matter.. future games are all going to be leveraging multicores.. Ryzen 7 or 6800-6900K are the way forward.

[@SlideWays564]

Do a comparison between the i7 6700k and the 1700 just out of curiosity because it's priced less than the 7700k and it's basically the same

[@SuperMaxGaming]

You earned a sub from me after this video. Been searching to death for something exactly like this. Although you really didn't convince me to go one way or the other. I guess I'll have to see which one I can find cheaper deals on at the moment?

[@cgraham6]

Thumbs up for the Baby Einstein music! I don't know if that's actually where it came from, but I remember it from my daughters's Baby Einstein videos.

[@encursio4870]

plus the price difrence makes this even more amaizing and promising

[@cynicle]

@Bitwit please help me understand something... Online I can consistently find a 1800X for $45 (AU$) less than the 7700k and the AMD contains the wraith spire cooler while the 7700k does not. So with that, I struggle to see why the 1700 is used in this comparison? And if this was changed to the 1800X would unequivocally choose the 1800X or are there areas where the intel chip would still shine enough to be considered? Also I think it'd be great if you mentioned the cooler inclusion, intel optimised benefits and features (I assume AMD is still lacking behind (but catching up to) intel with useful features, polish and OS integration). An example of this I was thinking about booting from NVMe drives, thunderbolt, supported memory, etc.

[@crusadehs4248]

Streaming at 1080p 60 FPS is absolutely unnecessary. Most people don't have fast enough internet to keep up. Do either 720p 60FPS or 1080p 30FPS.

[@CenturionGhost]

Could you change your graphs to a scatter plot? It'd be easier to see trends than with bar graphs

[@sheep-qj7bb]

Why didn't you use an 1800x for comparison?

[@hgd794]

R7 1700 is the same chip and price is nearly identical. Although i7 requires cooler so at the price point R7 1700X more appropriate.

[@fungunsforu]

Because its way more expensive

[@frenos879]

I would really like to know how the 1600/1600x compares to streaming as well!

[@mastrshok]

A little more information would be helpful here, but I think what Kyle is mainly getting at here is 7700k vs 1700 given a gaming and gaming + streaming/encoding workloads at the same time. And not is it truly better for steaming which is the other side of the coin. The title may be ambiguous, but how else would you say a short summary in your title without being long as hell.

[@kmemz]

Video idea for a part 2 of this: set streamer affinity to the last four core/thread combos (threads 8-16) and test it with that.

[@TheDennys21]

Well let's not forget that the 7700k is a gaming cpu and it's clocked a whole gigaherz higher than the 1700 and the 1700 is an all round great cpu for every purpose not just gaming.

[@Yves_Cools]

Say Kyle : could you perhaps do a video about AMD Ryzen and RAM memory speeds (how the RAM speed influences the performance, and also what the maximum RAM speed is that you can use with Ryzen CPU's) ?

[@xPoisonDashx]

I loved your video but next time as a suggestion you should make a video on how the watcher of a stream can benefit if the streamer is using either 7700k or 1700, wich one skips more or less frames on the front end

[@ghoggeng]

I just built a PC with GTX 1070 and Ryzen 1800x. Came from a i7 4790 - GTX 970. The framerate is the same, sometimes drops lower than before. This is really weird IMO, and what's even more weird is that everytime i try to stream while playing pubg/rocket league, the computer kinda gets black screen. It's still on, but i can't do anything and need to force shut it down. This happens aswell when i do 3d stuff in photoshop. None of this happend on my older pc :(

[@cwli1]

Is your power supply any good? You can try re-inserting the 1800x

[@Keaggan]

Why was the 7700k not up against 1800k or Threadripper which are more comparable and would be used for streaming? This doesn't help us with actual comparables.

[@redcat1630]

A 1GHz advantage against a memory-crippled 1700 only amounts to 10-20% more performance in games. I wonder which CPU has better IPC (hint - it's not Kaby Lake).

[@gestapo81]

expected results. GPU's are for gaming while the CPU's are workhorses and Ryzen developed a spectacular breed. when gaming streamers will go to Ryzen, everyone watching them will get interesed in these chips and Intel will really start to feel the pain.

[@mrgoodbar2592]

if you can get the ram speed to 3600 or 3466 they have been showing that it closes the gap more in gaming performance.

[@iTzDaNiiLo]

Nice test Kyle but you should have done it in an output of 720P 60FPS since that's what everyone uses and what everyone should aim for on twitch as a streamer. And I say twitch since its the most popular streaming platform

[@dennisfowler3860]

That Bach music in the background👌 👌

[@superswag4191]

You should be using 3000 MHz RAM at minimum for Ryzen. Ryzen CPUs performance is oriented heavily around High Clock Low Latency RAM.

[@vikinghonor7151]

why is the Ryzen ram at 2666 when the Intel is at 3200 that alone is a multi FPS difference.

[@Atres00]

Why didn't you test DOOM with Vulkan??

[@Venylynn]

because OBS is a bitch when it comes to Vulkan.

[@trace9766]

What about the stream quality?? Maybe a skipped over it, but what about dropped frames? Cause obviously you want your viewers to have a good experience too.

[@Rainsoakedcoat]

Ryzen 1700 ends up looking prettier to the viewer because it can use better looking modes without taking a hit. 7700k is better for the gamer, but there'll be more artifacting.

[@p1st0ls44]

1080p and 1440p are not resolutions people stream at... even the biggest twitch users use 900p 60fps now. i think 99.99 percent of streamers are also not partnered with twitch so a 3500kbps stream is out of reach. this test is not super accurate for current day streaming. maybe when x265 streaming and 1080p streaming with higher bitrates this will be more relivent. the 1700 would absolutely smoke the 7700k in these tests. but this isnt true today.

[@Nexyflyer]

Was gaming and streaming done on the same pc?

[@kennyk8257]

Finally the video we were all waiting for

[@XxT0asty0atsxX]

Honestly I feel like stock a 1700x or 1800x would perform much more similarly for pure gaming as well. The 5.0ghz is just super insanely good for gaming, something that doesn't require 8 cores. Although the OCing is def a benefit of the i7 so

[@Mkeefeus]

It should be noted that 3500 bit rate is not necessarily high enough for 1080 P at 60 FPS streaming. Although this shouldn't affect the testing results too much

[@Zoranurai13]

Finally a positive title about ryzen rather than "does the ryzen 7 bottleneck a 1080ti?" Or "does it suck" or w/e lol

[@shaneneyome]

Linus did a quality test for streaming and ryzen look so much clearer and much more smooth