Does

SPREAD ME OPEN!
Sub for your time?
Easy Sub to Channel: / @vinsenneth
Just fyi too I do think that some things could be hella adjusted, namely the waveplate cost, or amount of waveplates we can get recovered... That hits literally all grinding aspects rather than just fixing one problem at a time (ie tacet fields, shell credit training, weapon exp training, etc). I don't think they'll touch that though tbh. However, I do think that right now people doomposting on materials just literally need to wait and play over time so that you can get that surplus; because I bet you once you build who you want you'll be complaining about how "you have no one to build". It always happens. But hopefully some things are adjusted.
Also apologies for not posting in a few days, been busy on my end with family and medical things. I will do my best to upload some other stuff I have scripts written out for.
If you have any feedback, good or bad for me, let me know! Also any topics you would want me to cover?

[@Gregor2512]

im around lvl 47 and i think the grinding is fine, i played a lot so far and the only complain i have is, that it is kind hard to get echo exp

[@Vinsenneth]

Yeah that seems reasonable. And we're only a few days away from new content so you're gonna be getting more stuff soon, along with hopefully good changes to the economy as well!

[@lolegaia]

Actually the echo exp is not that hard before reaching to lvl 40 i already completed the data bank but having a problem with leveling because there's no quest left to do. ofc there's daily 2k exp but after that there's none.

[@nobody-xh6ii]

60 for tacet fields. 40 for exp items. 40 for credits. 40 for weapon mats. 40 for talent mats. 60 for boss mats.. All of which give the equivalent if 20 resin.... yes, it is a problem... 1 max resin refill is 1 boss run where as in genshin 2 refills is 3 boss runs or 3 condense...

[@andreasbeshkin8852]

the double tacet drops event we have now should be the default atleast for the tubes, u can get like 1 echo a day to +25 with full refresh now its stupid. Either that or make like non upgraded gold echos give 1-2 advanced tubes when you destroy them

[@B0b-k3r]

Tuners and xp are an issue now because we have so many characters to level in the early game. Seems like events are giving a good chunk of them after feedback (wuthering exploration). Personally I'm not even leveling echos till the shell cost reduction in 1.1

[@Vinsenneth]

That's where I'm basically at too, and what I think. Like people had this issue before with Genshin, considering a chunk is from that game. It was the same thing there, and I thought people would have learned by now you gotta be more scrupulous early game (meaning like in relation to when it came out, not how you have progressed) because you literally won't have shit.

[@sga3988]

I do feel like a lot of grinding is necessary especially to lvl up all of the skills. So far my party is almost maxed out but that's only bcz I use 1 team only. So yeah if you're someone who likes to have multiple teams or just pulls a new 5 star character it will be really annoying to build them from zero. I think if bosses were reduced to 40 wawepoints and forgery challenges to 20 wawepointd it would be more manageable to build new characters.Worth noting is that I am lvl 40 soxI still didn't need 5 star materials to lvl up my skills and weapons so idk how grindy it is to get them.

[@Vinsenneth]

Yeah agreed. Making multiple teams is hard, but that's with all the games I've played so far, and you're not given flexibility until much later. I think I put it in the description but I think the best way to reduce grind all around is tweaking waveplates. So reducing costs of waveplate things, increasing amount gained over time, providing copious amounts refils, and the like would really alleviate a lot of the grind. I think that's the most simple all encompassing solution than simply upping numbers in the activities themselves imo. That's what I see thrown around the most, specially about Tacet Field drops.

[@kharismanando9051]

@@Vinsenneth i think the plates situation is not as bad as you thought, i feel like if you increase the refills and stuff, it only temporarily fix said problem

[@Vinsenneth]

@@kharismanando9051 The only real issue with plates is just how expensive they are for tacet fields only. Everything else seems decently okay, but I'll never not be in favor of buffs in whatever capacity lol. For the refill thing, I think of it in terms of FEH where I have literally 3000+ stamina potions. The stamina there is a literal non-issue, and so that's sort of what I mean in terms of them giving more refills. Make them so abundant that people won't even need to worry about waveplate allocation since it's easy to get and replenish them.

[@s.slayer0124]

Echo exp in Wuthering waves is a problem because in genshin if you grind artifacts you literally can lvl up 1-2 a day to max even more now i am not sure (i dropped around 4.0 update) while in Wuthering waves you can like lvl up 1 or 2 (given the event doubles the rewards from tacet fields) and that's it, without the event doubling rewards you can only lvl up 1 to max xd

[@Vinsenneth]

For me it's hard to say because I have so much shit artifact wise that things are basically a non-issue for me. I could have more but I'm not really playing Genshin anymore. It is different though since the artifact grind will go on for literal months before you find a piece that doesn't fuck you over with flat stats, or ones you don't need. I still don't have a good ER Emblem goblet and I just gave up on fully committing to getting a better piece lol.

[@s.slayer0124]

@@Vinsenneth lmao i felt that, honestly part of reason why i quit genshin, it became tiring trying to get something good

[@Vinsenneth]

@@s.slayer0124 Yeah and they're just gonna keep adding artifacts too, and if that's the grind then... Yeah I don't really wanna do that every few months or whatever for a new "Best in slot".

[@s.slayer0124]

@@Vinsenneth yup exactly, i really hope wuwa is different for us ngl, i think it is because even tho i don't have perfect builds i can still beat pretty tough challenges like the tactical holograms

[@hansforfriends2025]

rank 37 and the grinding hasn't been too bad so far. i have 100s of tuners stocked up as well as materials from constantly exploring.

[@Vinsenneth]

The grind hasn't been too bad for me either. I'm also very non-commital to things because I'm not terribly close to endgame related things too, so like you I have mats and tuners. Once you hit that next ascension though you'll notice a pretty noticeable hit for leveling characters, so keep that in mind.

[@Hiro.the.God.]

I think the whole game is rushed. They let you get gold echoes too fast and theres no reason to even have blue or purple echoes. Thats why people have 1000 + purple tuners in their bags. If they had made the progression different, where you had a period of blue echoes then purple later in game, then wait to get gold echoes way later. I remember playing genshin with junky ass relics for a long time. People want shit way too fast. We live in a fast food world. And no one is cooking anymore.

[@Vinsenneth]

It's that instant gratification. I wish they took more cues from PGR because I think that would have alleviated issues that we're having now.

[@arforafro5523]

UL50+ rushers had to whale on stamina refills as well, I've played from like day 2 and used all my solvents and I'm barely 47 @50% or so. It's very likely they are trying to get 3 teams fully equipped and leveled for ToA which is not likely to be the case for most players who will just invest in 2 teams. I'm more "worried" about every skill requiring weekly reset materials starting from 7/10, I feel a lot of people will think the need those last 4 levels and burn out.

[@Vinsenneth]

Yeah I think pokke mentioned that you could realistically get to 50 if you spent currency, but either way 47 is still pretty good. I couldn't justify wasting the currency, even if I'm a whale since that's how these games exploit you in the most obvious way, but that's me. I have a feeling that those last 4 levels will be less important as time goes on and we figure out how to utilize swaps more effectively, and we get strong characters that synergize well. I know these earlier patches are rough for "endgame" stuff since chunks of the community can't even get there because of what's available.

[@arforafro5523]

@@Vinsenneth I'm not 100% certain but I think someone did the numbers and those last levels are not as big as the first few, makes sense if the progress is linear adding 4 more points is not as impactful once you have 6 points already invested. As long as they dont bloat HP too much I think a lot of the community that plays semi-serious will have a good chance at clearing at least the first 2 towers consistently in a month or so, maybe miss 1 star at the last stage. Most people that already reached UL45 can get 18 stars with the aid of the selector 5* weapon (considering half the roster can use the VERY GOOD shortsword) and HMC is plenty strong meaning you only need 1 on field DPS to start building a second team. Really removing the elemental reactions and having so much of the gameplay focused on the hack and slash aspect of combat looks very promising. Getting that third team going however will be a huge undertaking for most, I barely have my 2 teams "maxed out" and once I reach UL50 it'll be time to invest in those two again.

[@isidroduarte8942]

UL 47 here. I’ve just been collecting echos and materials for fun. I’m not a try hard or anything. Just play at your own pace before you burn yourself out.

[@Vinsenneth]

Yeah, but you know some people's pace is going as fast as possible, which leads to that burnout. I'm taking things pretty slow right now. I don't wanna hate the game because of burnout and systems being off.

[@kurniawandelima]

I mean, if hardcore players find the materials hard to get, then it would be harder for regular players no? These echo xp and tuner are just too expensive to grind. I think the biggest issue is progression/pacing of the game. The game shouldn't let you get 5* echo if you can't even level them at your current UL/pace.

[@Vinsenneth]

Huh you know I don't think i've heard anyone say that. Interesting. It is weird how soon you can theoretically get 5* echoes, yet you may be better off with 4*s for a bit because of leveling.

[@krishleysahani2147]

The pay out per wave plate is absolute mess The domains has probability of giving out gold tier mats for talent level up. But i rarely get the purple tier. 80% of the time i only get the blue tier mats.

[@Vinsenneth]

Yeah, I think a nice implementation would be to make the 2x events we've been getting a weekend event. That'll stock people up faster every weekend when people play most, and it'll help with stuff like that level up materials. If they're worried about the economy, I think that wouldn't be too disruptive too.

[@tsu_senpai]

Its been bad since cbt2 (saying from experience), they’re trying to make it better in 1.1

[@Vinsenneth]

I remember hearing that that was one of the complaints. I don't doubt as updates come we'll be big chillin. I think people are just really excited and it's making people impatient, especially if they're not playing or doing anything else.

[@CanofArizona]

Lv 42 and have been playing at my own pace. This happens in all gacha games. Tryhards fly through all the content in a week and are mad there is nothing to do. I will say that they probably should address the drop tables to waveplate related things sooner than later.

[@Vinsenneth]

Basically where I'm at. I still have shit to do... Like a lot, but I'm honestly chilling with what I have now. I'm grinding a bit, but not so much it's making me hate the game.

[@Red-io7jg]

UL48 now...and all I do now is dailies and plate burn..so just about 15 mins per day. Kinda boring ngl.

[@kharismanando9051]

damn, you progress too fast, of course there is no content if you hog it all for the first few weeks, play moderately my friend

[@Vinsenneth]

I mean that sounds like most gachas, you know? Thankfully we're close to Jinhsi so more content is on the way. You're already good with the hologram, tower, and echo min maxing if you do that?

[@vlad0vlad0vlad]

No material is worse than echo xp period. That is one that we dont get too much of. Id rather get two less echoes from a tacid field and get more xp, or just lower the cost to collect.

[@s4yto]

the shell credit issue is getting fixed in 1.1, now its about wavesplates

[@Vinsenneth]

I hope they change how goddamn expensive groceries are. We can't even get flour, or green tea in the open world as far as I know. If I wanted expensive ass groceries I'd just get some irl lol. I know people have given feedback on full character build ups being expensive shell credit wise too... I don't think they'll be touching that though.

[@posatok273]

I already ran out of shell credits after spending it all on flour without knowing the cost 😭(lvl 46). Now I can't level up shit. In Genshin and HSR there's an endless supply of mora and credits, so I thought it would be the same with wuwa. Turns out that's not the case.

[@s4yto]

@@Vinsenneth yeah i meant shell credit issue for leveling up echoes idk bout that one 😭

[@Vinsenneth]

@@posatok273 that's rough buddy. I'm just hoping there's more ways to get flour and food items because like what the hell man? You tie rewards to cooking, then limit ingredients, AND make them expensive AND make most of them unobtainable outside of the store? That just makes no sense to me.

[@lil_man_jess2251]

I think all the people whining can't manage materials. Boohoo you didn't get everything in one go. Come back 4 hours later

[@ilikechease8662]

Wuwa shil

[@lil_man_jess2251]

@@ilikechease8662 If the word you were looking for was "shill," then that would imply I spent money on the game. Even then, that's not exactly what that word means.

[@Vinsenneth]

I know or have seen a lot of people heavy invest into garbage echoes, so I think that's probably why some are having issues with mats for echoes in particular. Spreading the leveling stuff around to too many characters is a common issue since you get all weak level 40 characters creating literally no teams.

[@Hikkino119]

omg a woke content creator, noooooooo wayyyyyyyyyyy. Jokes aside, i definitely agree

[@Vinsenneth]

It's all that caffeine brother. I am fuckin W O K E T H