Sylvanas VS Arthas (Lich King) - Who Would Win?

[@Doronsmovies]

Speculating about the scenario that many of you have asked me about. Who would win in a battle between Jailer empowered Sylvanas and the peak power Lich King? What do you guys think? Also if you haven't seen the second channel it will be re-launching very shortly. - Second Channel: bit.ly/SecondChannelDoron

[@k01dsv]

Don't you think Frostmourne's power comes from Anima? Just like the Jailer's and Sylvanas' power comes from that? Wouldn't that even the scales out more than you give it credit for in the video? :)

[@HimanshuKumar-do8ri]

Love your voice bro , I love you

[@dan_halfsvear]

Maybe the Jailor is Arthas? :)

[@k01dsv]

@@dan_halfsvear They already said that the Jailer isn't someone we knew. Because people specifically asked them if it was Arthas. Also, would be weird for Sylvanas to be willing to work with Arthas :D

[@dan_halfsvear]

@@k01dsv I bet Arthas Will come and kick everyone's ass when the Jailor is killed

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

Arthas, as he sinks his blade into Sylvanas again- “this is getting old”

[@OriginalPuro]

There is no more Lich King, ergo no one can currently hurt Lady Sylvanas.

[@amannaruka7353]

@@OriginalPuro well arthas maded her his slave for atleast 5 years.

[@amannaruka7353]

@@OriginalPuro saurfang hurted sylvanas in battle for azeroth.

[@joco8290]

@@OriginalPuro There is one person. Its players character.

[@agorilla4114]

"How many times do I have to teach you this lesson old elf?!"

[@thefebruarymonth_148]

Hey remember..She only won against Bolvar not Arthas

[@kentin5422]

@Irfan Alddin NEVER. Arthas had frostmourne. That's all I got to say.

[@RandomPerson-cm2wg]

Irfan Alddin Um, Arthas is the Lich King, even in the book, he destroyed Nerzhul and said that he has everything he needed from him.

[@RandomPerson-cm2wg]

Irfan Alddin His duel with Illidan in Warcraft involves him leaving him either evenly matched against him with the intention to turn him against the legion (meaning that he wasn’t trying to kill him) or leave him to die in the snow even after Illidan absorbed most of the power in the skull of Guldan and the orb of Kiljaeden. Sure, as a death knight Arthas stands no chance against the current Sylvanas, because apparently she is now strong enough to kill an entire army of scourge that took the combined efforts of Alliance and the Horde to take out and beat Bolvar singlehandedly and break the Crown of domination. But it’s another story if we were talking about Lich King Arthas, instead of sitting around on his throne all day like Bolvar, Arthas knows his abilities and was only defeated by Deus Ex paladin light bullshit and Ashbringer.

[@RandomPerson-cm2wg]

Irfan Alddin Yeah you’ve already said that, and Arthas almost killed Illidan with an upper swing even after Illidan’s recent power ups. He could’ve just cut Illidan’s head off right there when he’s down, but he decides to let the cold of the mountain do it for him, although Illidan’s never died. He made Sylvanas into his bitch in the very same game and book, and he almost did it again in Wrath if it weren’t for Horde gunships.

[@thefebruarymonth_148]

@Irfan Alddin just let him win guys🤣👏👏

[@MrBensella]

An other note, we hadn't seen the full strength of Arthas as well...

[@AoDk673]

@Irfan Alddin just pathetic. Lol. Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic. Let it go. Let it go

[@definitelylorde]

dante vr LMAO arthas only used about 40% of his power in wrath dumbass xD

[@aifon7220]

Sofus Trampe scourge’s power not his power

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

@@aifon7220 yeah so Sylvanas power isn't her too if we follow your logic.

[@aifon7220]

@@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman What you said is just stupid. The two can't be compared

[@humblekek-fearingman7238]

Arthas beat Illidan, if he'd only grown that much more powerful in the interim there's no way current Silvanas wins. This speculation really strikes me as quite weak.

[@thangduong9773]

This speculation is really unprofessional.

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

I mean he killed her. She'd probably lose since arthas embraced the power while Bolvar resisted it.

[@Skollshorties]

All Arthas needs to do is have Sylvanas do guitar slide into his sword again.

[@AoDk673]

Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@Zasch584]

@@AoDk673 dante would you stop being a bitch in every single comment?

[@Wirt99]

@@AoDk673 And you are a simp for Sylvanas, typing the same thing over and over to anyone that attacks your "queen" even with a pet name. Quite disgusting of yourself.

[@curts7801]

kagami Tg I love you’re attacking the fuck out of him for “fanboying” even as you yourself are fanboying it up AND simping for Sylvanas. Simp more little bitch.

[@cultofmalgus1310]

@@AoDk673 imagine being whipped by a literal animation. What a beta bitch.

[@Crantick]

Arthas would win. Sylvanas got much more powerful since their last fight, but if Arthas was still alive he would have grown more powerful as well.

[@tylerp5259]

the thing about Arthas, or any Lich King, is that they would have a low chance of gaining individual power ( Arthas would probably cap at some point) but as a group, he has almost an unlimited amount (as long as he goes to a different world after killing and raising everyone).

[@justaddclark9016]

but he died so sylvanas is stronger in the cirumstances he set up

[@imatei1608]

@@justaddclark9016 wrong Arthas is more powerfull than the jailer and slyvanas The only motive that is dead is because the soul who inprisoned him remember not even the great ashbringer dind stand a chance against him but The good part of Arthas stooped the lich king before killing him so je wasnt at full power because of his good side

[@kungfubrandon6886]

@@imatei1608 There is no way that can look at the jailer without melting Lol

[@imatei1608]

@@kungfubrandon6886 that not having any sensei at all

[@HFDailyFeed]

she only became undead by Arthas's will. He can undo her easily if Blizzard follows true lore.

[@Jkr.007]

Lich king didn’t die till his sword got broken while he wasn’t paying attention to Tyrion. So in 1v1 combat arthas wouldn’t lose tbh.

[@serge2cool]

OK speculation, but a bit too biased. When no-one in Azeroth could touch Sylvanas now, Arthas WOULD be threatened by her.

[@joserijalkasyasyaf9723]

@@serge2cool nah, I even think she can't beat illidan. And pit lord

[@RightHipHopOnly]

How would Sylvanas be able to be empowered by the Jailor if Arthas as the powerful lich king and the jailor of the damned himself was still alive?

[@sauronmordor7494]

:)

[@BenDover-gc4xs]

@Julián Díaz i think u misunderstood him. he did not say they were the same. Quite the opposite actually

[@brunom7162]

In the way Blizzard is going with the story Sylvanas would certainly win. The Lich King was a mighty being, but he was only an orc spirit trapped within an armor and empowered by the necromantic powers of Kil'jaeden. And Kil'jaeden was a mere mortal empowered by Sargeras (a titan). He was in the same level as Azshara. They both are powerful mortals empowered by god-like beings, but still mortal. So I could assume that the Lich King only had the powers Kil'jaeden gave him and also the powers he stole from the Shadowlands (great part of the Scourge's power comes from Maldraxxas, a realm within the Shadowlands). Sylvanas, on the other hand, seems to be empowered by the Jailer, who is a very ancient and powerful being, he may be a titan or something far older than the titans. We don't know much about him, but he certainly seems like a very powerful entity. And besides that, both Sylvanas and the Jailer are feeding on all those souls trapped within the Maw. Thousands died in the war beetween Alliance and Horde, and so both Sylvanas and the Jailer must be insanely powerful right now. So yeah, I think Sylvanas would win. And I'm angry, because I hate her character and I hate the way the story is being written just to please her fanbase. While Sylvanas is getting all the spotlight, interesting lore characters and storylines are being treated like shit. Teldrassil was destroyed, Saurfang died like an idiot, Lich King Bolvar was easily defeated, and both Azshara and N'zoth deserved their own espansion. I mean c'mon they couldn't make a single cinematic about the night elves arc? Why it's all about Sylvanas?

[@AUZlE]

Pretty sweet comment.

[@KingMidgardsormr]

He wasn't just an orc spirit empowered by the powers of Kil'Jaedan. He was a human prince who defeated the previous Lich King who had several years of experience, and he did it using the Lich King's own powers against him, he then built his powers and reached unprecedented levels of power. And is one of only two villains to ever defeat the heroes of Azeroth. His power was so great that it was thought "Only a mighty army could hope to defeat the Lich King" said mighty army failed and was only saved by the grace of the Light itself. Arthas's power grew for every single soul in Frostmourne and there were thousands upon thousands.

[@brunom7162]

@@KingMidgardsormr I agree with you about Frostmourne because it feeds on souls just like Sylvanas and the Jailer. So a fight beetween Arthas (with an empowered Frostmourne on his hands) and Sylvanas (empowered by the Jailer) would be interesting to see. But I disagree about Arthas being this invencible. He is a mortal and he's nothing in the great scheme of things, like in the eternal fight beetween light and void, the titans and all of that. And since Sylvanas is being empowered by basically an immortal god and dealing with these primordial cosmic forces, I would say she would still win. I don't like the fact that Blizzard made her this powerful, believe me, but that's the way the story is going. Sadly Sylvanas will become even more powerful (if we not kill her).

[@smiledog3975]

Sad to say there will be no possible expansion for Azshara and Nzoth for they are rushed in bfa

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

@@smiledog3975 bfa was that expansion. Seriously old gods were never that grave threat we should be scared of. Sargeras was. He isn't dead either. He'll return and we'll be fucked. Old gods were merely a tool for those mysterious void lords who are probably titans. Just because sargeras is an enemy of the void doesn't mean he is our friend. The enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend.

[@ExelArts]

I disagree, he was indirectly powered by a titan his sword not only did the same thing the jailer. he's shown he's better at combat then her

[@AoDk673]

Yeah. Disagree all you want. Lolll. Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@KingMidgardsormr]

@Irfan Alddin Arthas was not destroyed by a fraction of X'era's power. Arthas not only can kill N'aaru but he can beat Illidan too. And has done so before. Go relearn your lore dipshit.

[@Nzothf12]

@@AoDk673 and your queen is just jailers dog (:

[@neverplayfair5321]

@@AoDk673don't forget, sylvanas will be the next one to be dead. It is obvious that she is the next boss to be killed, probably green jesus shows up and kills her just like Garrosh. Would be funny ^^

[@self-awareandbiasedslander7761]

@@neverplayfair5321 i dont keep up with WoW lore. But for some reason Im guessing Tyrande will come and kill Sylvanas.

[@aidenrathman2746]

You do have to remember that when Arthas took hold of Frostmourne he was able to crush his former soldiers and raise them immediately. This is without the crown of domination so Arthas was still a mortal who could be slain even being bested and almost killed by Uther. But from there his power started growing and growing even with the power of Ner Zul seeping out of the frozen thrown. It is also stated that common death nights draw power from the shadowlands so Arthas would be able to draw much more power from it making him even more powerful. There is also the fact that Arthas is the only boss we encountered that actually "killed" us. If you look at how Bolvar was able to move the rock pillars in the cinematic for shadowlands and he didn't embrace the power of the crown we can only imagine what Arthas would be able to do. Forgot to mention that Arthas had at least the power of Odyn being able to turn some Valahjar to Val kyr.

[@AoDk673]

Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic. Write a 10000 words comment. He's dead. And if he's alive, His pathetic weak ass would definitely be owned by queen Sylvyy or Illidan now. Lol

[@Maniekozord]

@@AoDk673 rofl you're such desperate troll looking for attention, spamming this comment under everyone who think's arthas would win ;)

[@k01dsv]

Guessing Frostmourne's power comes from Anima, since it keeps their souls. This is the exact same source of power as the Jailer - and in extension - Sylvanas. Arthas had way longer time gathering Anima for Frostmourne than Sylvanas has had, and despite the last war, it's not like there's been that much of an increase in death ever since the Scourge happend. The largest amount of death since her pact probably comes from Teldrassil and perhaps the Legion invasion. But Arthas did kill an entire kingdom, significantly larger than Teldrassil, and also most of Northrend. Also all the deaths since the pact hasn't gone entirely to Sylvanas, since I expect the Jailer would've kept quite a bit for himself. I'm not sure that Arthas would win, but it would probably come down to whoever had gathered the most Anima, which is hard to know for sure, but given how much time Arthas had, and how much damage he did, I'd put my money on Arthas.

[@quchi7232]

Sylvanas' Banshee form can be sucked by frostmourne right? since it's a spectral or ghost form.

[@k01dsv]

@@quchi7232 Never heard of that :/

[@seanandre4432]

Arthas is smart and powerfull but hes overconfidence to the light shattered hin

[@k01dsv]

@@seanandre4432 Sylvanas does not wield the light, which seems like his only weakness.

[@seanandre4432]

@@k01dsv im not talking to her im talking to ash bringer

[@Tigo625]

Are we including garbage lore? Then Sylvanas wins

[@bobthedestroyer6205]

explain yourself?

[@Tigo625]

@@bobthedestroyer6205 Ever since the Chronicles started being released, retcons and bad writing led to WoW having a generic, boring and incoherent story/lore.

[@angelbird538]

@@Tigo625 You mean After Blizzard stopped stealing content from Lovecraft?

[@sasalj7269]

even if we go by garbage lore, arthas has way more souls (anima) power than sylvanas and in this case, he would be alive and have a shit ton of power. who knows what else he wouldve conquered and whose souls consumed, thus powering himself up. sylvanas wouldnt have a chance if he was asleep, even going by this silly lore

[@Kharmul]

It makes me rather sad that this is even a valid question. And I guess the real answer is dependant on if Sylvanas has her plot armor on or not, if she does then she wins even 1v1 against Sargeras or a Void Lord. If not, she gets destroyed by Malfurion.

[@shfhsvomvolakis2318]

Do you realise that Malfurion is one of the strongest characther in wow lore? And no even with plot armor silvanas can't win against a titan or a void lord.

[@racimramzi1691]

@@shfhsvomvolakis2318 you are aware that she actually defeated malfurion multiple times in the book before the storm right

[@AoDk673]

Lol. And malfurion the malfunction almost killed by an orc's axe?? Lol

[@gdmkii4882]

​@@racimramzi1691 I guess he was daydreaming again at that moment. XD

[@TruOnyxfire]

Can we have at least ONE f'ing debate without someone bringing up plot armor and writers? For the love of f---, just stick to the damn scenario that was offered and stop being such an a-hole with your whiney tantrums about real life storytellers having some kind of bias. Just stick to the imaginary world we're talking about. For f's sake.

[@Sarkiller14]

All you said was really interesting but you forgot something very important, the psychological pressure Arthas has on Sylvanas. During the fight, there will necessarily be a moment when Sylvanas will have a moment of hesitation, Arthas will cause this moment, and he will take the opportunity to pierce Sylvanas in one fell swoop without the slightest hesitation. In addition, Sylvanas being unable to use the light, she could not manage to get rid of Frostmourne, which makes the Lich King almost invincible

[@randomguy4781]

Arthas would rip her soul out for a 2nd time, even without Frostmourne.

[@nikoladujmovic847]

Facts have nothing to do with this. It’s just plot armor, and as I see it, she could never do this to Arthas

[@MrPeaceFroggy]

It Happened already and Arthas won.

[@serge2cool]

Boring comment. Here for something more bland as that, which all the memers chuck on other mainstream channels. Ye, Sylvanas lost, but the past doesn't stay the past.

[@Lightingthenightsky]

Arthas killed her once he could kill her again....

[@Jsten16]

$50 thats how she will die. we will end up remaking frostmourne and killing her

[@Lightingthenightsky]

@@Jsten16 I think it would be cooler if Arthas got raised up again got frostmourne remade and Arthas had this awesome 30 minute 1v1 with sylvannas and killed her and then Arthas once again sat on the frozen throne. And become the lich King once again.

[@Jsten16]

@@Lightingthenightsky imagine that

[@Maslenain]

@Irfan Alddin Arthas fought Sylvanas alone in Quel'Thalas, she dominated him during The Frozen Throne because he was weakened and thanks to a surprise attack, surrounded by her banshees, and when they fight again in the Halls of Reflection, she's dominated and forced to flee. PS : If you really want to behave haughtily, the least you can do is knowing what you're talking about, just to avoid to look like a dumb :)

[@AoDk673]

Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@StormKnight1]

Ok Doron whatever... I did the hardest eye role of my life at the end of this video.

[@jerredbosschieter5717]

Reasons?

[@simonroswall3703]

Jerred Bosschieter I rarely disagree with doron, but this entire video undermines arthas powers greatly. 1. We know that arthas and the jailor get their power from anigma (souls basically) now while sylvanas is given power, and most certainly not all of it, Arthas took all the power for him. Yes sylvanas did her thing at teldrasil, the whole legion and the war on Azeroth, still she is given a portion of this power that’s “made”. Arthas wipes out an entire kingdom including the amount of killing that happened in northrend taking all the power for himself. Therefore I think this department is even or in favor of Arthas. 2. When we managed to defeat Arthas, we had already significantly weakened him trough a quest line (his heart if I’m not mistaken). Yet still he managed to one shot all of us without any real effort and only died cause he got over confident and tirion & the light BROKE Frostmourne. With the breaking of Frostmourne his power dwindles more. 3. The main factor of bolvar being stomped is the point that’s been pushed so many times, he denies the power while Arthas embraced it + having the Frostmourne. I’m not saying Arthas would run her over it would certainly be closer then the first time, but I cannot see him being defeated by her considering how he toyed with us and when he was done playing and we thought we would win, bam we all get one shot.

[@simply6162]

ARTHAS OF COURSE, All hail the king.

[@simply6162]

Irfan Alddin arthas wasn’t killed by Tirion he was killed by plot . So only plot can bring arthas back otherwise he was killed by nonsense ..forever...

[@AoDk673]

@@simply6162 sad fanboy weakling idiot arthas is dead. Get over it. He's nothing but a forgotten unimportant history. He should change his name from Arthas to Arthritis now. Loll. No kidding . Queen Sylvyy will spen less than a minute to destroy that pussyboy now. Lol

[@feitan2885]

@@AoDk673 tel this guys that even malfurion was scared to fight sylvanas

[@prathamkumar5224]

@Irfan Alddin illidan and arthas were evenly matched during their first confrontation During their second confrontation illidan had skull of guldan powerup but arthas due being closer to frozen throne also received tones of empowerment from lk And it doesn't matter if illidan is way older because he spent most of that life span emptisoned and arthas was also a very skilled warrior he has lots of victory under his belt against Uther,kelthusad,kael'thas ,sylvanas,,malganus,antonodas Non the less both were definition of badass and wow won't be same as before without them

[@Wawza14Gameplays]

Arthas was NOT in fact directly killed by Tirion BUT was trapped by the souls that were trapped in frostmourne when Tirion broke it giving the heroes and Tirion much needed help since the only reason Tirion was alive in the first place is that Arthas didnt want him to die yet when he wanted us dead he just slammed his sword and bam. Frostmourne had more than enough time to feed with souls thats why he was so powerful. Not fanboying or anything just clearing up

[@LoreMaster007]

If you also remember in the books. She Arthas was still human wielding Frostmorne, he was so fast with it, he blocked arrows. So Sylvanas would have had been able to hit him and therefore unable to chain him like she did Bolvar.

[@Kristers_K]

Damn man, haven't seen one of these in ages. Love it! Always enjoyed these X vs X videos :D But as for who wins...Arthas i would think, unlike Bolvar, he was far more powerful and fully embraced undeath at it's core. Despite Sylvanas being empowered by the Jailer, i think Arthas would be able to draw insane amounts of power from the whole of Shadowlands as time went on. *After all, while Bolvar would just keep the undead in check, Arthas would continue learning the secrets of Shadowlands, delve deeper and become more powerful over time.* Also, what would keep Arthas from finding out about the Jailer and somehow using his power or even abusing it? :P

[@Doronsmovies]

Great to hear. Been thinking of reworking this format to focus more on speculation and less on the backstory.

[@sasalj7269]

@@Doronsmovies + arthas has a shit ton of more souls (anima) than sylvanas, and in this case, he would be alive. who knows how many more souls he wouldve consumed with frostmourne to empower himself. many strong leaders of both sides and more!

[@carlosflake7002]

Arthas would have won hands down no question.

[@themarketgardener]

Frostmourne's souls >> Sylvanas's little scheme to gather souls by doing reckless war campaigns and battles

[@Ryan432120]

Im really curious as to where in the hell are the Knights Of The Ebon Blade in this whole mess ?

[@Kalimdori]

They are in Shadwolands Beta

[@vandammed159]

Like srly those batards lore wise are really strong on par with dhs yet after Wotlk barely hear of them

[@vanders4198]

Maybe the Lich King called to them to come to his defence but they didn't get there in time. The DK order hall made it pretty clear that they are back under his command.

[@kasper7574]

Sylvanas would lose to Frostmourn, hands down...

[@beliallie6215]

Okay, we got it. Sylvanas is the most powerful being and can defeat everyone and everything. You do even say "we dont even know her power level," and yet you suggest that he could defeat Arthas. How can you be so sure even if we dont know her exact power level? Seems legit.

[@countw4506]

I think Sylvanas herself doesn't have so many power, she might get the power from the jailer

[@nikolavukicevic6925]

Arthas would win but they buffing,pushing and upgrading her soooo much i fucking hate her character is to annoying...

[@boyanski890]

Heavily nerfed Arthas (destroyed heart) was playing around with Azeroth's strongest champions and Tirion Fordring, until he got bored and one-shot everybody. That's when some plot bullshit kicked in and he was defeated. So in my humble opinion, Arthas would curbstomp Sylvanas...

[@AoDk673]

Nahhhh ..Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@gabrielvalerio3906]

Frostmourne was meant to keep the Anima of the Souls under the use of the Lich King. So Arthas have all the souls he slaughtered under his service. He totally obliterates two city states(Dalaran and Quel'Thalas) and left his homeland in ruin. Sylvanas has the Jailer sending to her the Anima of the Battle for Azeroth, which means the Night Elf genocyde, the Battle for Lordaeron, Siege of Dazar'Alor, Barrens, Arathi, Kul Tiran skirmishes and the two Sea Battles on Zandalar and on the Open sea. Arthas still has more souls because he commited two genocides, while most of Sylvanas war were about balanced battles with controlled casualties, with exception of Teldrassil. The fight would be a stalemate, with the nerubian's army and Kel Thuzad coming to rescue Arthas if he end up losing.

[@Theros666]

But she prolly lose her cool against arthas due to story. That would give arthas an edge

[@AoDk673]

Arthas the Arthritis king. Lol. Queen Sylvyy is not the same Sylvanas she's before. Lol. She will wipe the floor with pathetic Arthas face

[@damnitarthur2977]

dante vr are you going to comment on everything that mentions Arthas?

[@eduardoclaros9377]

@@AoDk673 Tell me how many times your elf dog won the arthas king who enslaved her and made her dog Arthas Chad=3 Virgin dog sylvanas =0

[@moltengamer7061]

But this can't be true, couse Arthas the Lich King defeated Illidan at Northrend. But Illidan killed Kil'Jaden?? And Kil'jaden is way more powerful than Sylvanas. And Arthas LK won against Illidan. I think both Illidan and Arthas Lich King would beat Sylvanas.

[@Richard-tj1yh]

Arthas casually oneshoted Saurfangs son as well

[@AoDk673]

Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@astrealove1]

Power levels are scuffed in WoW, characters are as strong as they need to be to be able to deal with their adversary.

[@javb8464]

If she can't beat Malfurion, then she wouldn't stand a chance against Arthas, also, no one knows how powerful the Jailor is, Arthas 1hit killed Sauerfangs son, who was on par with Sauerfang in terms of strength and even though sylvanas toyed with Saurfang, she did get hurt by him, whereas his son couldn't even touch Arthas. The only reason why Arthas was beat was because of the lights incredible strength vs. the Undead, sylvanas death magic would most likely be useless vs. Arthas.

[@thehermit8723]

You say that like beating Malfurion in one o one is a simple task to do. The dude is a different League on its own.

[@viktorasgrviktoras689]

JA VB u understood that see show her true power now? And donr understimate the guy who kill the second strongest demon

[@Crownsnek]

in the short story "a good war" it's described that Sylvanas was hunting malfurion so she was most likely baited into a trap leading to her defeat. another point is that it happened right at the start of the war before she could lead to so many deaths to empower her.

[@deadfullyawesome]

@Irfan Alddin Arthas was scared of Tichondrius and archimonde without the helmet of domination.

[@LeeRenthlei]

Arthus would kicked Sylvana's ass all the way back to her mother's womb. Have a good day.

[@hakon5473]

Sylvanas simps lmao. Arthas has already killed her once.

[@TruOnyxfire]

Yes, when she was a normal, everyday mortal elf. Wow, big accomplishment. In case you missed the point of the debate, we are talking about CURRENT Sylvanas, empowered by the Jailer. Which, to my understanding, has literal power over all the Anima coursing into the Shadowlands and into the Maw. He is the Jailer of EVERY dead being's anima. He is more powerful than ALL of that Anima, combined, because that is how powerful he needs to be to do his job in the first place. It's not just every death SINCE Sylvanas' power levels started growing that empowers her, it's all the Anima the Jailor has power over.

[@WonderWyvern]

With the way Blizzard is going with the story, definitely Sylvanas

[@henrychemin6339]

Agreed

[@vixcentral]

I swear, if they make Sylvanas the hero in Shadowlands I'm going to lose my shit.

[@AoDk673]

@@vixcentral what's that sound again??? Or. Just a *Sad pathetic Arthas Fanboy's sound. Lolll. Hahahaha

[@SnopeEntertainment]

@@AoDk673 one fanboy calling out another fanboy, how ironic

[@AoDk673]

@@SnopeEntertainment ahhh .the miserable cries of Arthas fanboy. Where's your king now??? Oh yeah. Rotten. Hahahaha

[@Dr.Osterman]

My money still on Peak Arthas with Frostmourne at hand

[@jxhunger]

What? Really? If Arthas was there instead of Bolvard. He wouldn't have to lift a FINGER! He had Frostmourne! He raised Sylvanas, made her into the Banshee queen! She would trumble in terror just by looking at that sword! And that's the one and tbh, the only point i have to make! Trust me! If "og" Lich king was there. She would, and im sorry to say. Always be he's slave! Frostmourne HUNGERS!

[@yvesgovaerts3384]

Arthas of course, no doubt. ALL HAIL KING ARTHAS!

[@AoDk673]

All hail King Arthritis. Lol. Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@yvesgovaerts3384]

@@AoDk673 I'm not sure who Arthritis is.

[@smiledog3975]

It's 3 expansions already (Legion, BFA, and Shadowlands) about Sylvanas. The next cinematic and expansion will be about Sylvanas.

[@shadowscolide4944]

You know what? i'll put it this way. Bolvar was stupid enough to go 1v1 with her while he has an Undead Army at his feet ready to annihilate every soul on Azeroth.Arthas was never that dumb,the only reason we climbed the Icecrown Citadel to reach the Frozen Throne was because he wanted us to, and it took a literally Deus Ex to defeat him.Fighting Arthas 1v1 is one thing, fighting Arthas and the overpowered Scourge is a completely different story.Honestly,Sylvanas wouldn't be able to set a single foot in Northrend if Arthas was still up there.

[@thy_darkest_doctor1924]

When you find out Arthas was a literal avatar of the Jailer

[@adamsokol122]

In my video it woulf be like "lets get into the lore... Arthas would win" 20seconds long video😂

[@NerdGasims]

Arthas the true king of the undead and ruler of the Scourge. His Scourge army was much stronger and larger, we also don’t know how much he knew about the shadowlands and how to draw power from it. On top of that the souls trapped in Frostmourne increased his power plus its the blade that stabbed Sylvanis and killed her so I’m sure seeing Arthas wielding at her again would bring back some psychological trauma about how she failed to stop him before and of course he would use that to taunt her. It’s also possible that peak Arthas could control her again when she reached the frozen throne I mean with the helm being some sort of gateway or whatever into the shadowlands it is possible that Arthas had some sort of connection there and may have been in powered by the jailer as well.

[@Knightfire66]

the question is. why is jailor doing this? does he want to defeat azaroth? but he is good or not? i mean he does jail evil beeings or not? so he is a good god?

[@MusicMade4Anime]

Real deal thought Bolvar was going to kill her or take her power and run the scourge army again. He had some badass moves though. I pulled for him the whole fight

[@thehermit8723]

Oh come on now , enough wity the Sylvanas hype, if Bolvar had Frostmourne tge actual source of the Lich King's power tye battle whould have ended differently. Arthas as Lich King is a whole different level a Light ex machina and all the souls he had trapped swooping him was needed to defeat him

[@ExelArts]

Also add he was a very skilled warrior much better then sylvanias with her long years as a elf

[@AoDk673]

Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@voidfyre5456]

dante vr go back to youtube kids you pathetic troll bot

[@jamarioushankerson525]

Know yall remember the first time they fought i believe Arthas said are u rdy to fight me girl or sumthin like dat

[@beauvsb5230]

Arthas will kill her again, i think she'll be half dead by the time she reach arthas, if we base it on the raid.

[@ferencmeszaros9087]

Undead mind control. Welcome. Says to hail the king

[@kevinbutaye2052]

I've waited so long for him to make this video for so long now :P

[@hillbilly904]

Are u mad? Arthas will destroy her without even breaking a sweat!!!!!!

[@eduardoclaros9377]

@Alexander Nikolov Maybe arthas would make her her slut

[@Amplifymagic]

Sylvanas because of her dumb unearned jailer powers.

[@amannaruka7353]

I think if its the batlle of skill and fighting experience then arthas wins

[@WARCRBCVCV]

Sylvanas vs Archimonde?

[@0o0RoyaLCukY0o0]

Its 2019 ofc the female would win

[@robertushaposan2048]

lol

[@0o0RoyaLCukY0o0]

@BlazeiX funny and original

[@DJezdic]

At this rate all the Horde leaders from Vanilla will be dead and the Horde will permanently be labeled the bad guys, thanks Blizzard.

[@kadorassaw1326]

Sylvanas is Arthas creation Only need Apocalips ability and end of fight to kill Arthas need a battel 2 vs 1 like tirion and Darion vs Arthas.

[@kadorassaw1326]

@Irfan Alddin Ner zhul wans destroyed be Kil'jaiden. You are just here to attack me with arguments? Oh wait u are a Sylvanas fanboy.

[@kadorassaw1326]

@Irfan Alddin go And play warcraft 3 and read Arthas book u need to know Warcraft lore.

[@AoDk673]

@@kadorassaw1326 oh wait. U are an Arthas fanboy???? Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@gravewalker354]

@Irfan Alddin new lore ??

[@kunkka5]

what if they both didn’t use any form of magic or army who would then win?

[@Mystra]

Sylvanas because she's getting too much power from the Jailer. From the way I understand it, the Jailer can give her more power on the go as necessary. Making it a pretty big advantage for Sylvanas. Also she has ranged avantage on top of it with powerful magic.

[@mistakenoddball8376]

Another great work.

[@Doronsmovies]

Thanks. :)

[@Natha_Kun]

Wouldnt be easy if Arthas just ripped out or take sylvanas' soul out of her body?Because its Arthas' creation afterall

[@GiyuTomiokaTheOneAndOnly]

My opinion is this, if Arthas wasn't defeated that early, i believed he could have gotten stronger too.

[@patrickonwuka5952]

Would love to list of “rarest” or “most important” mounts

[@ElCarnicerodeChads]

Sylvanas: ¡if you were my husband I'd POISON your food! 😡 Arthas: ¡and if you were my wife i'd EAT IT! 😡 Sylvanas: ¡OKAY! 😡 Arthas: ¡OKAY! 😡

[@psychokiller8844]

He killed her before

[@AntiochusDC]

Arthas would win change my mind

[@starryknight4690]

Since the helm of dominion broke, maybe Arthas has changed and freed himself from Nherzhul's grasp and help us fight Sylvanna.

[@incisor78]

Irfan and Dante are trolling because they are pissed off getting killed repeatedly by a skeleton from Lich King's army.

[@angelbird538]

The battle is full of to many unknown factors to decisively conclude. For example, we don't know the number of souls have been sent to the shadowlands and how powerful those souls that are there make Her. We don't know anything about how many souls Arthas had in frostmourne other the it was a lot and it made him pretty powerful. We also have to consider potential strategys. For example, Garrosh and the Horde vs Arthas and the Scourge then Sylvanas, her Army vs Arthas and ded bois. Garrosh, would likely play defensive till warsong hold was built, then would have tried to fought his way to Arthas likely suffering hundreds of thousands of casualties along the way losing at least a good part of his army and then being brought down by the lich king himself along side Saurfeng and maybe a handful of skilled warriors like Rexxas and Nazzgrim. Where as Sylvanas would slowly wear the scourge down at range slowly thinning out Arthas's numbers trying to tip the scales in her favor. Arthas, being a "Lich King" lore wise, Lichs are the most powerful undead creatures. Being King of the Lichs, which, Banshees are also undead so, we have to look at the possibility Arthas might be able to subdue Sylvanas with out having to fight her. The only reason. I may be using head cannon but, he basically told sylvanas "your next fate will be worse then the last" maybe implying he's not going to bring her back again? This fight basically has to happen on the Frozen Throne because, that is where Arthas is most powerful but, it is also where Arthas is able to be killed. Arthas had The most powerful Shaman alive aiding him as well as a Titan or at least a fragment of a titan, he had Frostmourne Which was made using the blood of an Old God, implied to be Yogg'saron, whom he was probably allied to because, it's really mc'freaking hard to make an Old God bleed with out going cray cray. I am unsure of sylvanas's Bow has any special powers, I know she uses it to great effect but, it's unclear if the bow make all the arrows "Black Arrows" or if she's doing that with Shadow Magic. We also have to look at resistences as, Saronite Armor is Resistent to all types of Magic. I am unaware of any benefits Sylvanas's armor has. Looking at the lore it seems like sylvanas's Black Arrows can Pierce Plate of the Damned. It appears as though Arthas has ties to the shadow land as well being Sylvanas had to destroy the crown to open the Shadowlands. She also says something interesting to bolvar. "YOU ARE NOT FIT TO WEAR THIS CROWN" She may be implying Arthas was a lot stronger then Bolvar. Maybe, even through her hatred of Arthas, She still respected his power. I doubt Sylvanas would try to dual Arthas like she did in HoR (Halls of Reflection) as while putting up a good fight, was still forced to retreat. I think she would go for more of a Vol'jin Approach and try to "Pierce his black heart" It may also be that Sylvanas while blinded by rage, take a more Garrosh-esque approach and try to war path her way into ICC. Canonically speaking, Arthas's potential ShadowLands visit might actually still be stronger then Sylvanas's. For example, the Alliance and Horde were involved in a very bloody war that was several years it's hard to say how long specifically but, the opening cinematic for World of Warcraft says "10 years sense the mortal races banded together" presumably against the Horde. Next, Does the TBC expansion technically include the Shadowlands because, it sounds like that is a whole separate thing. Up next was WOTLK and it's unknown how long the expansion lasted cannonically speaking. Same with cataclysm, Mists was said to be over in a few months, I can assume that means most expansion packs are. Giving how death filled Vanilla WoW was, and how Death Filled Arthas's rise to power was it's not completely unthinkable that Arthas might have more souls them Sylvanas. When Frostmourne broke, the souls Arthas had were set free, maybe even freeing the ones that were captured from the Shadowlands after he fell. Assuming this is not just head cannon, Which would mean the soul counter would Reset in cataclysm, cataclysm was bloody but, likely only lasted a few months Mists was bloody but, only lasted a few months, Warlords happened on Draenor on an alternate time line so, I am unsure if this counts or not. Parts of legion happened on Argus and so it's hard so say if it counts tords the shadowlands soul counter. During BFA Sylvanas intentionally started wars to increase her strength. Over all, I am unsure which has the greater soul count, what I will say is, 10 years is a long time to be stuck in a bloody war. I will also say that it seems like Sylvanas's were were not longevity wars but, she burned through a lot of lives quickly. There are to many factors to count. I will say I *Hope* Arthas would win but, I don't have an answer that is free of biased. We have to consider things like channel tim. Can sylvanas stay a banshee indefinitely or, can she only use it for a set amount of time? Can Arthas use "Frostmourne's Fury" at will or is that a one and done? Does Sylvanas's banshee form survive Frostmournes Fury? Assuming Arthas has every death knight ability up until Wrath's conclusion, Anti-magic zone and Anti-magic Shell combined with Saronite plate might completely nullify Sylvanas's Shadow Magic. Both are undead so, neither feel Pain or Fear. It's worth noting Sylvanas has almost killed Arthas 2 times. We need more info to conclusively decide who wins..

[@LuckyFoxes789]

Shes as powerful as the story demands.

[@Xalocin]

I think Sylvanas would be able to win if she kept a cool head and a clear mind during the fight since she’s empowered by one of the most powerful beings ever apparently. But then again she hates Arthas so much it wouldn’t be farfetched to think that she could enter a ”blind rage” type of state and let her guard down. Arthas would probably exploit that aswell by taunting her. And if she does let her guard down she’s back to being a slave in the scourge

[@NPC-dc9so]

So anybody else agrees that Sylvanas's story ended when she killed herself? You know before she came back to life & kind of turned into a shit character? Also I'm not upset that Sylvanas won against Bolvar. What I'm upset about is the fact that Bolvar did fuck all to gain power in all of that time he was sitting on his ass on The Frozen Throne. Even if his entire job was to just hold back the scourge not to conquer the world like Arthas, did he not think something might happen? Did he not think someone can come up to kill him & take the Helm of domination to repeat what Arthas did? I mean, obviously he did. He ended up getting some weapon & armor that did fuck all against Sylvanas. I would say the worst part about it is Saurfang landed a hit on her, Bolvar didn't. He missed every single hit. Even if she was holding back against Saurfang, that still doesn't make sense because the entire reason she fought him wants to torture him. she obviously was stronger than Saurfang so why all of a sudden at the moment when he was talking she just decided to stop trying? You mean to tell me she let an old ass orc, who she was clearly stronger than, get a hit off her for dramatic effect? Honestly I think it would have been better if Sylvanas stayed dead. Her entire Arc is over. It's been over for years. I don't know why they keep dragging her worthless corpse.

[@wickedAberration]

sylvanas was pretty good in cataclysm imo. Her being made warchief was what ruined her for me.

[@Sultschiem]

Bolvar: - Severely weakened base-form - Did not ruthlessly seek power as Arthas did - Did not have Frostmourne - Did not fight as the Lich King yet... Arthas: - Was in top-form, when turned into the Lich King - Did have Frostmourne - Was a great leader of his army - Fought a lot , both as a Deathknight and then as the Lich King They are not on the same level. When we fought Arthas, he was: - Holding back on purpose - Was severely weakened (Heart destroyed and the plague from the Wrathgate) - Beat Adventurers, that took down an Old God, Elemental Lord, major Demons etc. - Was only brought down with the Ashbringer together with Tirion and Deus Ex Machina-Light-Power... The power difference is massiv, not just individually, but also with his army, as he did not use the "full" potential of the scourge.

[@danielbojidarov5587]

Before watching it i must mention that everybody knows that arthas wins

[@SparzWizard]

The only one who could've/should've beaten Arthas was Illidan. Strange, how Illidan and Sylvanas never interacted before although they both would've had a common enemy. And Illidan technically helped Sylvanas by freeing her from submission when he destroyed the Eye of Sargeras and weakened the Lich King.

[@lelitox208]

Arthas vs Sylvanas W3: God damm ur annoying, i won't let you die peacefully after these. Arthas vs Sylvanas Now: God damm ur annoying, i won't let you live after these.

[@ssj3theoutsider228]

I don't agree, but I think that she has the potential to eventually surpass him, for now I'd say that she's around Illidan's level (in Legion), but not on Arthas's yet It's been a long time you didn't makes Vs, maybe I could suggest a Ragnaros vs LeiShen or Odyn vs Arthas or Mannoroth vs Ysera? Nice video as usual, keep going :)

[@lobofka.1543]

I think Sylvannas loves Arthas. Thats why she destroys the lich king. So she can meet Arthas in the Shadowlands. XD

[@williambuttlicker6251]

Peak lich king isn’t even the one we fought. The to make arthas remotely killable, we had to find his heart and destroy it in a quest. And he still 1 shot us lmao. Peak arthas stomps sylvanas.

[@AoDk673]

Get over it pathetic fanboy. He's dead. Lol. And by tirion??? Hahahaha. Lol. Pathetic death from the Arthritis king. Queen Sylvyy will not waste 1 second to own his weak ass with her power now. Lol. Pathetic

[@williambuttlicker6251]

@Irfan Alddin1. Arthas never even fought xera. 2. Xera got shit on by illidan, whom arthas beat before he even became the lich king and got empowered.

[@williambuttlicker6251]

@@AoDk673 Syvlanas got dumped on by malfurion LMFAO. Take your seat kid.

[@AoDk673]

@@williambuttlicker6251 and malfurion the malfunction almost got killed by an orc axe??? Lollll

[@AoDk673]

@@williambuttlicker6251* SAD PATHETIC ARTHAS THE ARTHRITIS KING FABOY NOISE. LOLL

[@rhinoboy6603]

People mistaking who they would want to win with who would win in the lore. Sylvanas was impowered by one of the most powerful beings in the universe. I dont like it but she would win probobly as easily as she did against bolvar.

[@boyanski890]

I just don't see a blood elf bitch taking on the guy that one-shot all of us with no difficulty and was only defeated because of being weakened and plot armor on Tirion. On top of that, Arthas has taken much more lives than the dead bitch and has stored a significantly greater amount of souls in Frostmourne. Also, the mental scars that Sylvanas has from Arthas are going to greatly affect her in the battle. She may appear all tough and shit but shitted herself in the Halls of Reflection, even though she had gotten way stronger since their first encounter. So all in all I think Arthas would turn her into a fucking salad.

[@felipe5211]

Would Thrall beat Sylvanas in Mak'gora?

[@zeph8283]

Sylvanas vs Illidan?

[@codenester]

Do you need to ask who would win? One thing I know clearly is she was killed by Arthas and became a banshee. lost is lost. This question isn't supposed to be asked.

[@ShFred]

The battle has already happened. The outcome will always be the same no matter how many times we replay it.

[@omgtopher]

I feel like sylvanas would lose to arthas’ army and if she did get through the army shed be beat up and arthas would finish him off. I normally wouldnt include an army on someones side but thats one of his abilities so i feel like you have to include it And realistically from a lore stand point no mortal is 1 shooting that army like they are 40 levels above it lol

[@ArvisSc]

Even in hypothetical battles she's a Mary Sue.

[@Bigfootuss]

i don't see how arthas can lose against sylvannas

[@Aj9Livess]

Arthas has spikey armor but Sylvanas has plot armor

[@agorilla4114]

THE VIRGIN BOLVAR ---------------------------------- Has some random mace Doesn't have a cool mount Got defeated by one dead elf Bald THE CHAD ARTHAS --------------------------------- WIELDS FROSTMOURNE, THE COOLEST WEAPON IN THE GAME HAS INVINCIBLE AND SINDRAGOSA KICKED SYLVANAS' ASS TWICE GLORIOUS HEAD OF HAIR IT TOOK 25 FIVE PLAYERS AND THE DIRECT INTERVENTION OF THE LIGHT TO DEFEAT HIM

[@mateoemilioalfaroalcega7498]

would like to see her on a crossover vs Archaon the everchosen (A.K.A the original Arthas), or Grimgor ironhide.

[@fallenpanda3942]

I say it all depends on if she could get out of defile and had saronite bombs.

[@exogort6231]

Lich King would win, mismatch.

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

Old Sylvanas : Just an skillful ranger with a big brain New Sylvanas : Overlord of death capable of flying faster than Superman and turning into untouchable smoke