E36 SPONGY BRAKES PERMANENTLY FIXED FOR CHEAP!

[@paulmeredith_]

This is exactly what I needed to see. The long travel on my e36 brakes are driving me crazy! Thank you so much for posting this video

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Glad I can help. To update - the brakes still feel great and did 2 very sedentary laps of the Nurburgring without any fuss.

[@paulmeredith_]

Pamo I've just finished doing the same modification to my 325 and Oh my goodness, what a difference that makes ! It's so much better, just as I've always wanted it to be. Your video tutorial and links to parts were invaluable. Thanks again

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Nice one buddy. It may be a matter of personal choice but I'm glad you have liked the results.

[@jw200]

Well, old video but i did same thing to my E36 sedan. I replaced master (got E34 one bought from ebay), including the fitting, rebuilt all the calipers, replaced fluid to 5.1 Bleeded air. But i didnt buy the braided hoses. But anyway even after that i got so much better brakes on E36. I was very satisfied. And really old (original) brakes were very spongy. After doing this mod like Pamo it was day and night. I sold the car in 2020. Now im going to buy E36 again and will probably do the same on that also, but also including braided hoses 100%

[@otacon4065]

LOVE the fact Nat referenced left foot braking haha what a bossette!

[@DSCustomx]

Thanks a lot for this video

[@bySumar]

Hey man, thanks for the video! Are the threads on the adapter for the BMC a M12x1,0 to M10x1,0 or what are the specifications for the thread pattern if you know?

[@ManSeeksCivic]

I'm sorry mate, I don't know off the top of my head

[@rajivperera1624]

Can we do this upgrade to an 1997 e36 318i with m43 engine?

[@leonidase365]

Hey nice job there very interesting! What about the e36 m3 3.2 master on my e36 328i? Thats also need modifications like the e34 master?

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Sorry I'm unsure. I've never measured a 3.2 cylinder.

[@leonidase365]

@@ManSeeksCivic i noticed a longer distance travel in my brake pedal afrer installing 330ci e46 front brakes calipers are rebuilted new brake hose lines everywhere and new brake fluid and you capture me with your video my friend...

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Then if you use the setup I've posted here you will regain the pedal feel. Good luck.

[@leonidase365]

The master that i found pamo have the same size bore 25.4mm like the one you used but it has m10 and m12 connections like the 328. Applications are for e36 m3 3.2-e34 540 and z3m 3.2. Will it works?any suggestions that i have to be careful? Thanks in advance.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Sounds perfect. I have an adapter on mine to reduce one of the thread sizes. If this one doesn't need that it's a bonus.

[@CrstB]

I sandblasted my brake calipers, and painted them white 😅

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Interesting choice my man 😂

[@frostakaernis]

Good bricks job. 👍

[@becomematrix]

Nice Paul 👍🏼 I'm not liking the soft e36 brake feel too. Could brakepedal feel be down to the original brake master cylinder? I'm swapping out news rear discs pads calipers and hoses as they're tired.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Ive now driven a few E36's Ed and every one of them feels similar to me regarding brake pedal feel. With this master cylinder setup It feels closer to a 46 my mate used to own. Its still progressive but firmer and much more confidence inspiring.

[@becomematrix]

Pamo 👍🏼 What e34 master cilinder did you put on? Thanks!

[@ManSeeksCivic]

I think it was a 520 .but im pretty sure they are all 1" bore.

[@becomematrix]

Pamo much appreciated!

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Check out my comment to Andi below for more detail Ed.

[@jw200]

Pamo 10:59 i see DOT 5.1 fluid Is 5.1 ok in E36? Any problems? How you flushed out old DOT4 or whatever you had there? How long it took? How many cans of 5.1 is needed to flush out all the old fluid? I just dont know how many 5.1 cans to buy. I have DOT4 in my system atm. But i want to make same mod. Thanks

[@ManSeeksCivic]

DOT 5.1 is used here simply because its what I had. I use it for my track car due to its higher boiling point. It can be mixed with DOT3 or DOT4 and works fine. It CANNOT be mixed with DOT5. To do a full flush you'll need a minimum of 1l, but I would buy 2 just to give a little extra. I buy 5l at a time and do a couple of cars at a time.

[@ZrTubz]

Any idea where to get the master from now as the link has expired

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Search eBay for : BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER HANS PRIES HP500 890

[@IamtheOneHitOnly]

Hi Pamo, great vid as always! I've done the MC swap a couple of months ago following your guide and it works great! One small thing I've recently noticed is under acceleration my car has started flashing the brake fluid warning light. I had a look and the 5 series res seems to sit at a slightly different angle, how much fluid do you run in yours as mine is a little over the max at the back of the res but due to its angle it appears lower than it should be at the front of the res? I hope that makes sense!

[@ManSeeksCivic]

I fill mine almost to the top. It's important that the feed for the clutch is submerged and so my reservoir is almost completely full. Get as much in there as you can. Ignore the max and min levels.

[@IamtheOneHitOnly]

@@ManSeeksCivic Gotcha, nice one cheers!

[@iiskandarable]

hey pamo, i have a question...for brake pads on the front and rear for e36 328i saloon and coupe...are they different? because i am going to change them and i was going through a brand called Bendix..so i am curious if they are different or similar.. thank you

[@ManSeeksCivic]

No they're all the same for similar brake sizes. I've not heard of Bendix, so I can't give an opinion I'm afraid.

[@zsoltszentjobi6847]

What did you do with the 2 hoses that run from the reservoit to the abs pump?

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking.

[@zsoltszentjobi6847]

@@ManSeeksCivic there are two outlets to the abs pump on an e36 reservoir (at least on my '93 325i) E34 reservoir doesn't have these two outlets.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

My 36 has the Reservoir plumbed directly to the master cylinder, the cylinder then feeds the abs pump directly through 2 hard lines which then is distributed through 4 hard lines to each caliper. I've seen pictures on real oem of a slightly different feed from what looks like a remote reservoir but I've not seen this in practise. In other words, with the e34 master cylinder and accompanying reservoir that sits on top this mod was almost a straight swap apart from an adapter to convert the smaller cylinder output from the smaller e34 output on the cylinder to the larger one on my E36 pipework.

[@zsoltszentjobi6847]

@@ManSeeksCivic Yes I have checked on a later model (everything after 93') there are no additional hoses to the abs pump (early production sucks :D ) Now i have 2 choices either dril two holes to e34 reservoir... (which I really don't want) or swap in a newer abs pump and a matching control module.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Hmm, could you retain your existing reservoir along with the 34 one (so you would use 2 reservoirs) plug the bottom outlets and just use it to feed the abs pump with it tucked away somewhere🤔. I'm not familiar with the setup but could this bypass the need for drilling the 34 reservoir or changing the pump?

[@rajivperera1624]

Hi mate. I have e46 320d fully refurbished calipers finished in hammerit smooth yellow. Zimmermen vented discs front and rear with BMW pads. But after the change still the pedal travel is long and soft. Will this solution work? If so what is the e34 master cylinder part # required to buy as mine is 1997 e36 318i with M43 engine.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

It should help the long pedal, but the soft spongy feel is likely air that needs bled out. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAKE-MASTER-CYLINDER-HANS-PRIES-HP500-890-/282936627782?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

[@rajivperera1624]

@@ManSeeksCivic Thanks mate. But it states that item is for Left Hand Drive vehicles?

[@ManSeeksCivic]

That's the cylinder which is in my car and the one you see in the video.

[@rajivperera1624]

@@ManSeeksCivic what about the brake fluid resovoir? Do we need it from the e34 as well or can use the existing one? If needs e34 one what exactly is the part #? I am going to try this so need your help and advice.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

You need the e34 one. I'm sorry, I don't know the number - I got lucky in a local scrap yard. Try looking thru "real oem" and you should find the number.

[@AndiS21-u6r]

Hey @Pamo, i've done a similar mod to my E36, however the E34 master cylinder would cause the brakes to drag to the point that at low speed the car would stop by itself. Any specifics on the E34 master cylinder? I know that for a time until 92" they were 25mm all throughout and after 92" it was a stepped bore 25/20.3mm.

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Thats the only issue Andi - the piston on the E34 cylinder has to be cut down by 15mm to avoid the "dragging" effect. Specifics from the sellers details on ebay : Part No: Mapco 1753 Suitable For: · BMW 5 Series E34 1988 - 1997 520i / 524td /530i / 535i / M3.6 M5 Cat 518i / 520i 24v M3.8 · BMW 7 Series E32 1986 - 1994 730i, IL 735i, IL Price: · £47.95 & £5.95 P&P I believe its a straight 25 the whole way but am not 100%.

[@gabbiz9052]

@@ManSeeksCivic hi mate thanx a lo for all the video!! On autodoc mapco 1753 looks like its an 25mm too 40mm bore can you check that before i buy one 25mm straight or the other? Thanx a lot again

[@ManSeeksCivic]

It looks like a typo on Autodoc Gab, Its a straight 1" (25.4mm) bore I'm sure. All the other listings for the alternative products at the bottom of the autodoc page show the bores as 25.4.

[@marcinperkowski5677]

I may not paid full attention, did you got stock 286mm discs and braided lines? Master cylinder from e34 is first mod yet? Is it really night and day difference? I'm pissed with my stock e36 brakes...

[@ManSeeksCivic]

Exactly - Standard discs, Braided Lines, Red Stuff pads, Dot 5 fluid and only mod is the E34 master. Its got much more bite. Its not as good as a serious caliper upgrade but for the small cost of the master cylinder its a great compromise.

[@dangerousdave321]

Did you do the exhaust yourself?

[@ManSeeksCivic]

dangerousdave321 I did Dave.

[@dangerousdave321]

Pamo does it drone at all? I have a super sprint race back box and the drone between 1500-2250rpm is doing my head in

[@ManSeeksCivic]

dangerousdave321 I don't think it drones at all. It's plenty loud enough to hear the rasp and pops yet quiet enough that the drone at 3k is almost stock. I got very lucky with the job.... It was complete guesswork. I should have enough footage to put together a small video showing what I did.

[@dangerousdave321]

Pamo that would be great, I'd love to see that.

[@blaiserascal]

Hey Dave, sorry to dig up an old thread. I am looking for a Supersprint exhaust, so if you don’t like it maybe tou’d consider selling?

[@ruvimbarzul5621]

Hey pano I have a question. I am doing a swap on my e30 going from a m10 to a e36 m42. To be completely honest with you. I have very little idea what I am doing. Kind of just a project for my friends. I can’t seem to find anywhere online how to hook the wiring harness to the motor. Do u think u can help me out?

[@ManSeeksCivic]

ruvim Barzul Hi mate. I wouldn't know about the E30 chassis I'm afraid... I would have to check out all the wiring diagrams for both cars and essentially work from engine to dme to car. You need someone with more knowledge than me... Good luck🍀

[@ruvimbarzul5621]

it is a e30 but the motor is a e36 m42 and i need to wire the motor i have adapted it to the car i just need a diagram where everything plugs in.

[@alycestapleton]

ruvim Barzul mate there is plenty on the Internet forum and Facebook even google has it I bet

[@jw200]

Pamo. I found a video where guy says EBC pads just fall apart after just 5000 miles, normal street driving, no racing. That it is a serious failure. And some guys also say there are better options. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5nXnXuVaa6oe5Y Im also wanting to upgrade my E36 brakes and now im wondering what to buy actually. And i don't get it, why E34 master feels so much differently? They look same, you cut the piece off but its a little bit longer than original, maybe this little bit makes that difference? I.e brakes are bit dragging hence the crazy braking force? No?

[@ManSeeksCivic]

For the price range I have no issues with them... My red stuffs are perfectly good and are around 1/2 worn after nearly 13k miles now. As for the Master - it's larger bore simply pushes more fluid giving the pedal a better "feel". It does nothing for the force of the brakes... Just the initial bite. It's purely preferential as I found the e36 standard system not sharp enough (I have driven 4 E36 variants now).

[@jw200]

@@ManSeeksCivic Thank you for the answers. I also do not like my current brakes. I got new copper brake hoses, all new fittings,etc. Also replaced rear drums to disc's a while ago. Brakes were much better but still not happy. Now I saw your video and decided to do the same thing. New pads, discs, braided hoses, E34 master and of course DOT5, have to flush the system few times. Im not a racer guy but I just want better brakes and better feeling. You can't race with 1.6 anyway and with slipping clutch 😁

[@stepanovps]

Oh my gooood 🤣😂 lol