EFAP

[@sparkypack]

Kirby has no ankles because the goddess Athena saw what became of Achilles and sought to fashion a warrior that, this time, would not be plagued by a single flaw.

[@JGGR89]

"Before my time is done, I will look down on your corpse and Poyo"

[@StuffedFlumpers]

This is my favorite comment I've seen in a long timeeeee 😂😂😂❤️

[@Eficiente_VSB]

Cool to hear but Kirby has a number of flaws. He's dumb in many areas, so he can be outsmarted. His stats are standard next to other characters of his same level; Meta Knight being faster, Dedede being stronger. It's implied that he would have lost certain battles if it weren't for team work or moral support of others.

[@sparkypack]

@@Eficiente_VSB sshhhhh!!! Kirby is sleeping... ૮(˶ᵕ⤙ᵕ˶)ა💤💤💤

[@riptors9777]

Well to bad.. because it was the achilles HEEL not the Achilles ANKLE that doomed achilles.. and kirby has heels...

[@spectral_force5097]

But have you considered that Jonathan Wickman is a movie about gun wizards for man-children?

[@ancientflames]

saw it opening weekend and theatre was mostly women lol

[@ro031]

Good Star Wars joke.

[@reaps912]

“I’m not saying you’re watching John Wick wrong.. ..but you’re watching John Wick wrong.”

[@DigAPig]

Lmaoooo goated comment

[@sexycenturion7074]

John Wick 4 The Pinball edition.

[@L337N1NJ4L1NK]

One of the funniest things about the High Table blaming New York for John Wick is that the only reason John is such a thorn in their side is because one of their top level guys brought John back in, betrayed him, and then refused to try and make amends.

[@shadowpriest2574]

Yeah, but its the mafia, isn't it? Its not about things being fair , its about a show of strength. They think they have more to lose by letting him get away with it then if they just leave him be and cut their losses .

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

As well as being the one who ordered John to assassinate a member of the table-his sister. Yet somehow John not only gets excommunicado’d for it, but they continue to send assassins after him long after his body count reaches the thousands Virtually all of this could have been avoided if the supposedly omnipresent and omnipotent organisation had even the broadest safeguard against their members staging obvious coups like the _very_ effective safeguards they have in place for retired assassins

[@coolfrog3552]

@@shadowpriest2574No the mafia would simply apologize for the inconvenience get rid of his bounty and make sure that something like this can never happen again cause they have a IQ

[@xikungao2376]

Oh, Mauler, a little problem. When Koji shouted the signal in Osaka Continental lobby, he didn't say "attack," he said "撃て(U-te)", which means "shoot" in Japanese, which actually makes it all the funnier because only TWO of his JAPANESE archerd responded to his order in their native language 🤣

[@aaronmueller1560]

That makes it even funnier Jesus Christ

[@TheNoonish]

Well they were clearly confused because they had bows instead of guns, and he didn't say "Loose!" They probably should have just had guns. Or the whole room could have been covered with grenades.

[@Vesporeon]

Thank you Last Samurai for teaching me this word

[@dragonknightleader1]

Sounds like they need Tom Cruise to yell it at them again.

[@baconghoti]

@@TheNoonish shoot is fine, it's fire that's the anachronism. Nice try tho.

[@camphustle1]

5:14:39 - There is a deleted scene that has the Mini boss Table guy about to shoot Mr. Nobody's dog. John Wick noticed this and pauses. In slow motion, Mr. Nobody calls out to his dog, "Daisy!" John Wick then says: "Why did you say that name!?"

[@wakerobin9215]

Tell that to Daisy's snapped neck

[@Lyth13]

The worst thing about the fourth movie is that it introduces a mechanic that could have ended John’s quest in the second movie.

[@stevenmark4407]

Who gives a fuck. Bang bang boom boom. That’s all I want to see.

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

Antonio: Can’t kill me John! I’m on continental grounds! John: Then I challenge you to a duel

[@matthodgkinson2003]

​@@rollrcoastrbacon2725 John thought that they were a myth until the 4th movie

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

@@matthodgkinson2003 ah yes, the most _feared and dreaded assassin within the entire assassination underworld for many years_ thought that the concept of settling disputes between fellow assassins through duels was unprecedented enough to be considered ‘myth’ That’s almost a farcical as when TFA established that Luke Skywalker became a mythical figure thirty years after defeating the Galactic Empire and ushering in the revival of the Jedi Order because that’s _totally_ how history works

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 The Wickening 0:37 The Grinch 1:47 The Mario Movie 8:19 John Wick 13:05 John Wick 2 23:02 John Wick 3 31:50 The EFAP Way 35:50 John Wick 4 (Into) 45:36 New York 47:36 Rags Indian Journeys 48:26 Hourglasses 52:46 The Marchese de Gramont 1:12:52 Why Winston Was Left Alive? 1:16:22 Why Hunters Hunt John Wick? 1:18:20 How Hunters Hunt John Wick? 1:21:19 Caine 1:27:50 Mr Nobody 1:35:40 The Osaka Continental 1:56:50 The Osaka Fight 2:20:27 Why Are We Analyzing John Wick? 2:43:57 John Wick vs Caine 2:54:47 Mr Nobody vs Caine 2:57:56 The Escape (1) 3:00:49 Walking Dead 3:04:06 The Escape (2) 3:05:05 Caine vs Koji 3:19:19 On A Train 3:24:34 Winston & Morpheus 3:26:14 Jon Wick Is An Idea 3:37:00 The Marquee & Mr Nobody 3:42:22 A New Quest 3:51:00 Killa Harkan 4:14:45 Amending 4:16:25 A Call For A Duel 4:34:13 A New Suit 4:37:05 Radio Announcement 4:39:58 How To Reach The Duel 4:46:12 The Hunt For John Wick 4:50:10 The Arc de Triumph Fight 4:56:56 The Miami Sequence 5:02:16 Plot vs Action 5:09:30 John Wick vs Mr Nobody 5:10:42 The Dog 5:15:17 Ground, 1st & 13th Floors 5:21:38 Jump 5:26:40 The Staircase 5:34:20 The Duel 5:42:46 The Death Of John Wick ? 5:46:33 Conclusions 5:52:05 Shutting Down

[@jacktheripper4731]

Are you a time traveler?

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

@@jacktheripper4731 he was probably keeping tabs during the live stream

[@JulianDoe]

@@jacktheripper4731 Yes, the DeLorean parked downstairs is mine.

[@Kernwadi]

“Anyone in the world is a man until proven otherwise.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@sparkypack]

I'd rather watch my kingdom fall. I want it all or not at all. I'd rather watch my kingdom fall.... I want it all... or... not at all.

[@gregket]

All the crazy rules/laws/odd lore in John Wick sequels, can all be explained. When John was on his side, hobbling at the end of the first one, he's in way worse shape than he thought. When the Hitman paramedics found him, they had to stabilize him by placing him in a medical coma. So, all the crazy fantastical elements in the sequels are all in his head. It is kind of like the 3-4 seasons of Archer, where he's dreaming those seasons, while in his medical coma.

[@theraven268]

When "it was all a dream" is better than the real plot, you beed to reevaluate said plot.

[@Nigel-nv3lr]

This was never established or hinted at in any way though. You're doing the writing for the movies

[@Stringer13ell]

Spoiler alert

[@papabull8993]

If you were an Assassin, that is part of a Guild of Assassins that have access to bullet-proof clothing, all you would take is head shots when fighting a member of your guild.

[@notsae66]

This is why, along with how video gamey the whole movie is, I got to thinking about who's the deadlier killer; Arthur Morgan or John Wick. Eventually I settled on Morgan for one big reason: John Wick consistently misses shots at close range (in the fourth movie anyway) whereas Arthur can consistently get a headshot with a pistol from over a hundred yards with bare seconds to aim. Arthur is also more durable, able to shrug off rifle rounds and many pistol shots to the unarmoured head and torso, where similar shots were incapacitating to John at best. Where John had to get into brawls and shoot enemies dozens of times to finish them, Arthur can consistently kill multiple foes with a single bullet to the head in the span of barely seconds. If put into the same circumstances as John in the 4th movie, Arthur would have gotten through each fight faster and more efficiently, each foe put down with a neat hole in their head and no time to retaliate. Just a thought the movie put in my head.

[@RM_VFX]

Rags doesn't quite convey how stupid a soft bulletproof fabric is... the bullet might not go through, but it would push the fabric a good way into your body, which is still lethal. There's a reason body armor has 1" metal plates in it.

[@obiwon1237]

Hey android it's called escapism

[@baconghoti]

Well white, all those kevlar pistol rated body armours must be fake.

[@obiwon1237]

@@baconghoti are you saying that if there are real world weapons present they should adhear to real world physics

[@vaclavjebavy5118]

@@baconghoti they're not dress-shirt thick. Kevlar vests are much thicker than most clothing.

[@Yodah97]

I don't mind the body armor working like that as long as it's consistent. Yes, that mechanic is a bad match for the tone of the franchise - this world is not supposed to have magic - but we can chalk that up to suspension of disbelief. The deeper problem is that this mechanic leads to shit action scenes. John just brushing off being shot because of the suit time and time again is boring to look at. For drama and story telling, the bullets should still hurt enough to leave bruises, so he'd have an incentive to avoid them, and being shot could still be a big deal. Maybe small arms leave bruises and stronger munition can break bones. The armor also helps him get away with being stupid through no skill or personal merit. He survives being shot at literally because he has plot armor. It's not an advantage he gained by being clever or training, it's just an upgrade he bought. Might as well give him a power suit and rocket boots too. Or a gun that aims for him.

[@samwallaceart288]

Fun Fact: many American buildings _technically do_ have a 13th floor, but it's small and closed off, skipped by the elevators; functionally useless but just enough of a "floor" to count so that the 14th floor is actually the 14th. Yes. There are old American skyscrapers that have a secret lair in the middle of them.

[@morganseppy5180]

Yes, for tallish buildings the middle floors are often used for utilities. And for very tall ones, they are often left empty to reduce weight.

[@Necrow_Productions]

I worked at a hotel like that once. I actually got "backroomed" in it when I got lost for an hour even though I should not have. Take of that what you will!

[@robustdelirium9277]

I can’t wait tell chapter 5 when John goes to hell and makes a deal with the devil and becomes Spawn Wick! then goes back to earth and kills the table with his floompy cape made of bullet proof suits, only for God to put a one GAGILLION angel dollars bounty on his head and have the whole world AND angels fight him.

[@Wheningoubt]

Sounds like a drunk recap of 'Constantine' lol

[@numidium3]

Something I was thinking during the Osaka sequence: It seems like all of that could have been avoided if they just let them search the place and John just jumped in the water and swam somewhere.

[@dodojesus4529]

How about we put wick into some bumfuck nowhere village in rural japan? Not at a official hidepur of the org thats hunting him

[@tljsucks1166]

Or went to a fucking McDonalds instead of his known friend’s place.

[@notyourdad9548]

Same man. They have me dying 😂

[@sexycenturion7074]

But then there would be no pew pew mediocre action sequences and no stab stab setting up characters you don't care about who die and setup a new character that wants revenge. That ending made me go huh? I was laughing at the last 40 minutes though everyone including the dog was thrown into cars but only wick and the dog lived. This franchise is the fast and furious franchise.

[@Yodah97]

It's implied that John was there for months. Plenty of time to plan escape routes. This seems like the first thing you'd do when harboring a fugitive. Especially if said fugitive is hiding in the same building you and your daughter work in. Hell, you'd think John would be invested in making sure his friend's family didn't end up dead because of him. Or is losing a daughter not the same as losing a wife or a dog in his eyes?

[@blackdragoncyrus]

I was listening to this live while I was clearing out my workplace of 25 years... was such a weird, surreal feeling. Thank you for keeping me entertained all my times I was at work, EFAP crew.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

EFAP has been going for 25 years?... I knew it was long, but DAMN!

[@Kernwadi]

“Fists are connected, every part of your body is connected.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@Kernwadi]

​@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 When you put it on 0.25x speed, maybe.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Very long.

[@kokunaijin]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 You know you can see the distant past and stars that died millions of years ago with a powerful enough telescope?. The same can be done in reverse if you look at the internet with a powerful enough microscope. That's probably what he did 25 years ago. Things get really weird after Elon Musk opens the MuskClone Factory and they're everywhere.

[@calebchristensen8207]

1:49:33, I don't know why EFAP sees this line as a problem, New York obviously had it's chance.

[@vitato]

About blowing the Continental: imagine that there was exact same scenario as in John Wick 2 happening at this moment. A dude from High Table (or someone very high in those made up ranks) hiding in Continental, feeling all safe with his money from an assassin waitin' to drop his ass the very second he comes out. And this High Table dude hears that he has an hour to evacuate from the building. That would be fuckin' hilarious.

[@dodojesus4529]

And the assasin is just out there, jacking of

[@Necrow_Productions]

John Wixk 4 actually destroyed the universe

[@xikungao2376]

John Wick 1's club scene and 2's catacomb scenes are my most rewatched John Wick action scenes. Even though he had that ridiculous suit in the catacomb, he was still actively avoiding being shot at a lot of times by using shadows and corners. And the nightclub scene in the first movie was just top-notch action for me. He didn't rely on some superhuman capabilities or super hero like business suits. He was just an insanely skillful assasin doing his thing. He wasn't "tanking" bullets, he was avoiding bullets by taking cover and movements. And the fights were dirty. There were a lot of dirty tricks like eye gouging and foot shooting that you don't usually see choreographed in action scenes. I don't think any other scenes in 2,3,4 had these traits that made them grounded. 3 and 4 suffered extremely severe action overload.

[@notyourdad9548]

You got it!

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

I walked out of the theatre laughing because that final action set piece is so rediculous. He has ascended to beyond mandolorian levels of just incompetence because my magic jacket stops cars from doing damage I guess?

[@reaps912]

I feel like the wheels were already coming off in JW2; I still remember walking out of the theatre with my gf and exclaiming “that wasn’t too bad”, almost in a fashion where we were hoping that one would reassure the other. And by the time we got home, after discussing it in the car, we concluded “dammit, that really wasn’t all that good at all”

[@cardellkenith]

I've seen people on Reddit saying you just need to suspend your disbelief. I get that, most movies require it to some level, but I question how people think this suspended disbelief for the armour is better than when we were doing it for him taking cover in the first film. They both require some amount of letting it slide, but the armour just makes boring battle scenes, where the moving in and out of cover at least provided some interest

[@santiag0106]

Mfs really forget how good and well written John wick 1 is

[@Phoenix0F8]

It's very close to being a perfect film.

[@Gannoh]

@@Phoenix0F8 that's really pushing it tbh

[@morganseppy5180]

It also had that hype-fuel of Keanu Reeves' tactical training video which had cuts between rooms/sets but showed raw skills. Which made the movie all the more believavle when they blended those skills with Chinese-style MA choreography & photography. Reminds me of when John Woo first came to the US and blended his Chinese approach to American films and really "sexed up" the cheesy action film--and some of those movies have really artistic shots (yes, doves, but not just those). Not one of the best action films ever, but in the subgenre of "action porn", where you're not watching for the plot but need enough to make a movie, it's really good. (I would consider a lot of the cheesy MA films in this category like those from Van Damme, Bruce Lee, early Jackie Chan.) $0.02

[@LaputanMachad]

Now John has fallen into the clown singularity

[@daniellynch654]

John wick 1 is where John wick starts and ends. John wick 2 ,3 and 4 is about John wick twin 😂😂

[@wem-iv4xk]

Why didn’t John use the Paris Catacombs? They reach every square inch of Paris basically and a lot of the areas are unavailable to the public, it would be perfect

[@dodojesus4529]

It would alos make for a very good action scene between john and the few assasins in the catacombs

[@mahoutsuguy863]

In universe reason? He's dumb. Meta reason? They wanted a fight scene and ready did one in catacombs in JW 2

[@samthered4862]

The first John Wick is John Wick. Every subsequent one feels more like a video game based on the first film.

[@19Ledor]

We went from Bows (probably the fourth oldest weapon in human history) to axes (presumably the third oldest weapon in history) all we need now is the spear and the club and well have completed the stone age arsenal, which has double crit-chance when hitting people with guns. John Wick better watch out!

[@morganseppy5180]

Need a pointy stick and chipped rock, for sure

[@jaffarebellion292]

@@morganseppy5180 Well, a pencil IS a pointy stick, so...

[@theraven268]

I'd make an argument for the rock (thrown or slung with a sling) being in this pantheon of pre archaic weaponry.

[@HalbdaemonKite]

The characters take fall damage like it's Dark Souls, while John takes fall damage like it's Final Fantasy VII.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

“The idea is not to kill John Wick, but to kill the idea of John Wick.” *Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis…….You know what?! I have no idea what the Hell I’ve just said! I just thought it would make me sound cool!* Pretty much all that quote is.

[@nont18411]

John Wick is not someone who is loved 👏🏼 he’s an idea

[@morganseppy5180]

So many movies use this. It's not enough to put down an upstart but you have to kill the idea a revolt. Well, yeah, you do that by killing the revolutionaries. Nothing wipes out hope like resounding defeat. 🤷‍♀️

[@schwrummel9680]

Just a tidbit but i kept wondering how John gets from place to place. Can he get a private plane? Because I would be a bit anxious about booking an airline flight with all these assassins after me.

[@bigginboggin5973]

He walks, just really really fast

[@kasperwozowicz]

Him getting from New York (to wherever The Dog Lady was) was such a big, important plot point in JH3 that even in JH4 there had to be a side quest to get back into family (As it was over a plane ticket that he lost his connection with Ruska Roma) Now he just fcking teleports and The Dog Guy is right behind him

[@struggler7164]

I have a theory that after John Wick 3, John secretly has some private connections (Including Bowery King) that are not associated with the continental, but still owe him for his past services and his infamous reputation. It would have been really repetitive in every movie if there was always an airplane or boat fight scene, so I can understand why the creators may not have covered John's mode of transportation.

[@SumDumGy]

@@kasperwozowicz what’s JH3 and JH4?

[@kasperwozowicz]

@@SumDumGy John Wick 3 and 4 respectfully

[@scottk1525]

I know it'll never happen, but I want a no holds barred discussion between Gary and MauLer about how good/not good JW4 is.

[@lazy7789]

If it did, I’m not even sure if mauler and Gary would agree or concede to each others standards for film. I think it’d just be “I don’t agree with your standard.” “Well I don’t agree with YOUR standard.” Just both talking to walls.

[@scottk1525]

@@lazy7789 I think it'd e MauLer pointing how how ridiculous and nonsensical the writing is and Gary saying "I don't care. I just want to see cool gun fights."

[@jonasl9068]

Trying to defend a movie by saying it is “not to be taken seriously”, is more insulting to the movie than breaking down its problems

[@syksis9842]

I think this movie is the first time I’ve ever been bored from the sheer length of an action scene. The first action sequence had me bored out of my mind after about 5 minutes, especially when he got the nunchucks

[@cardellkenith]

I got bored with most of them eventually, main exception for me being the top-down view of the battle in the building at the end.

[@christophergirardi8145]

When Rags mentioned Boss Baby, I envisioned John getting his ass kicked by Boss Baby who then rips his mask off Mission Impossible style to reveal Alec Baldwin. Baldwin: Any last words Mr. Wick? John: Yeah…. Rust. John flicks his wrist to pull out a sleeve gun and shoots Baldwin. John: Now, you’re even…

[@sexycenturion7074]

It's funny because if they are going the schlocky way they are half assing it in this. They should have started the film with him on a plane and he plans to kill the elder on the plane and assassin's attack him whilst they are in mid flight guns blazing and the plane crashes in the sea and he then finishes them off lol when a great white shark attacks and he shoots it to death whilst running along the plane and its wings whilst surviving assassin's attack and get eaten by the shark or shot or the plane engines mince them up and finally wick uses an engine to kill the shark blowing it up. Or you could write something more serious that makes sense oh no I forgot these are the John wick sequels.

[@alexhayden219]

That fall was hilarious.

[@reversecentaur1374]

I don't understand why people consider Rags as the "pun guy" when Metals puns are so much more funnier but nobody recognized it

[@paultorrisi4992]

Probably cause Rags draws more attention to his

[@dodojesus4529]

A good pun makes you laugh for moments, rag'ss's are so painfull they just stick with you for eternity

[@rogue_harliquin]

LMAO at Fringy claiming a 78% on metacritic means anything particularly that a movie is considered to have a great story. Even a quick glance at the critic reviews shows "10/10"s that do nothing but praise the action. What's next using Rotten Tomatoes as the benchmark?

[@theraven268]

The better argument is that there are serious moments and that the first movie was legitemately well made in comparison. I feel their frustration with the retards defence being "bUt It'S sUpPoSeD tO bE bAd ThOuGh!!!".

[@Necrow_Productions]

Fringy is a funny frog. What did you expect?

[@scottk1525]

1:00:03 god damn I hate it when Rags phony-chuckles his way through his jokes, as if they're *SO* funny he can't stop from laughing. Meanwhile everybody else: 😐

[@rainking3]

RE: The thirteenth floor thing, it's is not as wide-spread as Rags makes it out. However it is a common tradition in hotels. Hotel owners found that guests were often unwilling to take a room on the thirteenth floor so they just skipped that number when numbering their rooms and floors.

[@SICK2210]

4 was just a combination of 1-3. What is 5 going to be? A prequel? Also, absolutely hilarious that Kane was looking at his poker hand and knew what he had. Blind?????

[@KiloWhiskeyKilo]

Going to the hotline miami sequence, they asked why those guys Wick killed wouldn't have been wearing the bullet proof suits but they left out that the movie showed a scene of the assassins demonstrating the dragons breath rounds on the suits before that scene and that was the bullets in the shotgun that wick used to dispatch the guys in that sequence so whether they were or weren't wearing the suits wouldn't really make a difference

[@tljsucks1166]

The little bit you find out about the guild in the first movie consists of rules that would actually make it stronger. In 2-4, the rules are arbitrary and harmful, and make it seem more like a cult than a powerful criminal organization. For example, if someone has a marker, they can force the person to take out a member of the high table.

[@chungusthewise2906]

“YEeeAah” - John Johnwick

[@psiplaysgames4178]

One could say John has become *clap* "AN IDEA!"

[@vulpinedeity3379]

I haven't seen it, so I can't confirm, but based on your description, sounds like the girl flipped the big guy with a hip throw. I know that technique, and it can actually work regardless of the opponent's weight, as long as you do it right. Again, haven't seen it, don't know what technique (if any) they were going for, but if it was ogoshi, it could work.

[@morganseppy5180]

Yeah, sometimes these guys talk out of their depth, as you can see with the shift on (some) opinions on CG. Martial arts is not their wheelhouse so they don't know about techniques, But i can see how is a current trope to have 100+ pound women go hand to hand against 230+ men and rightfully call it out.

[@vulpinedeity3379]

@@morganseppy5180 Well, to be fair, I'd have o see the scene to know if it's the technique I'm thinking of, and more importantly, if whatever technique it is is executed correctly.

[@charleyrobinson632]

A sword fight with a blind man. A sword fight with a blind man, I don’t get how this works?! How can he block a sword he can’t see, how does cane know that koji will use a sword and not just blow his brains out? How does he shoot anyone with a gun? How how how?

[@ethanflores6252]

It’s even worse, his daughter is holding a gun. She could have shot him and ended the cringe if not-blind-man

[@TheOnlyGuermo]

I'm probably alone on this but i like the whole organization being more discreet and secretive, you get hints about the organization, and the power they hold. But by the 4th movie, they are the illuminati, they seem to run all of the world and 1 out of 5 people in every city is one if them. And why did they bring another dog guy in? Seems redundant you had Berry in the last one but doing it better than hobo assasin that could track Johnny through ley lines or some shit? And i love how their aimbots failed at just the right time to make the fight go longer

[@O_Rice_0]

1:44:21 "This is Koji. He's got my back"

[@samwallaceart288]

1:40:00 ish I like this whole theme of John Wick being a magnet for harm upon his "friends". It's videogame-protagonist syndrome. The dragon only attacks the city when _you_ show up. The guy only gets stabbed in the back _when he's talking to you._ Imagine if "The Dragonborn" in _Skyrim_ was an actual character. They'd quickly develop a survivor's guilt and seclude themselves from the people they want to help because when they show up things have a way of just getting worse for the people around them. While they get more power and accolades and wealth, the town gets noticeably emptier since the smithie got killed in that random dragon attack. That's a whole story in and of itself; of a hero who's triumphs paint a target on bystanders and they struggle to justify "helping" anyone anymore. But nah, John's a good friend. Don't worry about it

[@Wheningoubt]

That would make for an excellent short film at least. It reminds me a little bit about the "Playing an RPG" animations by Joel Haver, where the player can only make the wrong choice, though that's played strictly for comedy. You could have a story about a young, aspiring quester sent on a search for a hero who the people of [Town/Kingdom of X] believe has "abandoned" them, only to find he's exiled himself due to his belief that he only makes things worse. It could be a lighthearted story of a man's misunderstanding of events, a cautionary tale of the road to hell being paved with good intentions, or anything in between. I wouldn't be surprised if this story has already been told and I just haven't seen it, but it's an interesting concept.

[@samwallaceart288]

​@@Wheningoubt Man, those feels when the random bandit does self-help and gets hobbies, and notices that his "enemy" health-bar has faded away

[@AusSP]

Honestly, having a hard time connecting that to Skyrim. I get what you mean: things happen when you're around, is it coincidence, or are you at fault because of destiny? It's just that Skyrim was in a lot of trouble before you get there, and I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone who wasn't already up to their knees.

[@Wyzai]

Elden Ring has some genuine protagonist syndrome. Endgame in it is pretty miserable when everyone else is dead and it's just you left.

[@samwallaceart288]

@@AusSP it's a thought that occurred to me playing Skyrim because dragon attacks don't randomly occur unless you're there, so I'd end up losing side characters like the smithie in a completely avoidable death, and every time I reenter that city I'm greeted by their empty forge, all up and ready to use as if nothing had happened, but person is gone

[@sockpocketpre-alpha8258]

37:31 dawg "The King" is literally referring to the Bowery King. That's his actual name

[@bad-people6510]

I can't wait for John Wick 5 where we find out John's wife was actually poisoned by some heretofore unheard of acquaintance of John's, so John digs himself out of his grave to take revenge.

[@phuqutoob-pf7pb]

That joke about dressing up as a ghost made me think: Just wear a blanket made of bulletproof shirt, with eye holes.

[@Wyzai]

make eyeholes out of very thin fabric so you can still see through it

[@billybob-rh7ob]

@@Wyzai bullet proof goggles

[@dodojesus4529]

I introduce the ultimate armor, a onezie with a ski mask

[@AsrielCypher]

Nah it's only bulletproof when it's in the shape of a suit. If the shape changes it loses its bulletproof-ness

[@billybob-rh7ob]

@@AsrielCypher ah. that would explain it..

[@daswasich1147]

Calm down, its just a Movie about Land Assassins intended for non-children!

[@basedbalaclavaman7011]

How does kain ever know who he is talking to before they speak to him? He shouldn't be able to see their faces.

[@ObsidianBehemoth]

He can probably tell by their B.O.

[@nont18411]

He can smells them

[@wstml555]

A satisfying end would hev been Wick going out to end the High Table once and for all with the help of Koji, his daughter and Caine. That would have made for a much better movie.

[@Yodah97]

I mean fuck it. Have him steal their secrets and reveal the existence of the high table to the whole world. Actually put an end to this underground assassins nonsense. Give them the only fate worse than death: an lifetime of dealing with attorneys and inquiries from all of the governments in the world. But nah, this movie was clearly too concerned with sequels and spin offs to actually change anything about the world.

[@beardog7020]

If the Mauler really agrees with ER’s negative opinion on Mad Max: Fury Road I really need him to rewatch that movie because it’s extremely tight narrative wise

[@kelp7060]

It's not. It's dumb as hell.

[@FilmCritictheone]

It's better than the John Wick sequels

[@user-ex9ti7ds3m]

Not that it invalidates the criticism if I am correct, but in that first fight against the Marquis’s men, the first shots on one of them sparking and making a metallic impact indicated to me that these special guards had the plate armor introduced at the end of JW3 under their suits (a very convenient excuse to let the stunt men pad up more fully under the suits). I took that to say they are supposed to be above the standard goons we saw previously, but they still needed to be able to walk around in public in something SLIGHTLY more discrete than plate carriers and Oni masks.

[@spudg8558]

These guys inhabit a weird area where a regular pistol can penetrate their armor, but only if they're shot a few times. Even though John shoots a few of them in the neck/vulnerable areas, it applies to the chest and other fully armored parts too.

[@user-ex9ti7ds3m]

@@spudg8558 yeah, I started watching this series like it was a live action anime starting with Chapter 2. If almost nothing makes sense but in the same way, I can still enjoy it

[@jacksonperez5615]

I will not apologize for loving this film

[@Kernwadi]

I have apologized for committing a genocide, but it didn't make me feel any better. Don't apologize.

[@PanzerblitzRnR]

The panel say many many times during the discussion that they're perfectly fine with people liking/loving the movie, just don't say it's good. I like the John Wick movies, but 2-4 are really fucking dumb.

[@jacksonperez5615]

@@PanzerblitzRnR oh I know, I was just saying I unapologetically love it

[@harrydubois6619]

@@PanzerblitzRnR I’m saying right here and now that it’s good

[@properduction2586]

You don’t need to apologise for liking John Wick 4 or even films as horrible as the last Jedi…But to defend the writing ? Now that’s a completely different conversation…

[@georgekhoshtariya8458]

May your restroom stalls always be occupado. The worst curse in the John Wick universe.

[@jaffarebellion292]

HA!

[@LordEpos]

Genuinely assumed through this whole episode that y'all were making up a movie that didn't exist to complain about as you went for April Fool's Day. These sound less like the events of a real movie than they do an improvised shitpost.

[@theraven268]

The April fools were all the people defending the movie with TLJ/Mandalorian appologist takes.

[@JGGR89]

I remember watching reruns of the Death Wish movies on TV in the 90s. John Wick is circling the drain in a similar fashion.

[@McBanditHope]

To be fair, Charles Bronson mowing down punks with and Browning is one of the greatest action scenes ever.

[@thorthewolf8801]

My biggest problem was with the blind assasin. I just cant believe a blind person without superpowers could be an assasin. Any scene with him took me out of the movie watching experience.

[@Wheningoubt]

I can see it if we're talking an assassin that exploits their weakness against people who have their guard down (you wouldn't expect a blind man to poison your drink, stuff like that). Going up against armed combatants is straight up an impossibility even in a 1v1. No way in hell is he taking on a room full of assassins, it's absurd to even pretend he can.

[@leonhartdragomir8948]

I mean, he pretty much has superpowers...

[@lukew6725]

I think it could work if you go about it in the right way. Shouldn't be impossibly difficult for a blind guy to slip some poison into someone's glass or a knife in his throat.

[@thorthewolf8801]

@@Wheningoubt absolutely, sadly we didnt see that.

[@auo2365]

Yeah but you forget he’s one with the force and the force is with him

[@Hassohappa]

I had to go back to watch the rooftop scene where Winston shoots John after Rags mentioned the slide didn't move. One of the comments from that clip talks about how they expect in the next movie John Wick will go "full Baba Yaga" on the high table. Like he's going to scream and his hair will turn spikey and golden or something. When I think about it the sort of departure from what it originally was is pretty common any time an IP outlives the vision of its creator. Anything from Dragon Ball to the MCU, eventually no matter what the original premise was it gets warped into some sort of abomination. John Wick you can tell was never intended to be anything but a one-off movie and now it relies entirely on spectacle with no substance. There's a huge audience for that sort of thing.

[@theraven268]

They inevitably loose steam though, the good faith and hype predicated on the original rots away eventually and they either have to reevaluate and make a "return to form" or they fall appart, only to be brought back for further milking 5-10 years later when they think the nostalgia has built up enough.

[@tljsucks1166]

At 4:30:00, it would have been perfect if child Anakin and the kid from Revenge of the sixth were there, and the kid said “Master Skywalker…”, and then John Wick just killed them all

[@notsae66]

I'm rather indifferent to what they wind up doing, but I find it very notable that John had wounds that looked relatively (compared to what he's survived already) survivable and they never actually showed him properly dead. They showed him collapse and they showed a grave, but they very conveniently framed it such that if they decided to claim he faked his death and actually recovered they very easily could get away with it. While this is the "final" movie, it's very noticable that it wouldn't be hard to either bring John back or have Mr. Nobody take over; having kept a keen eye on history, I'd be very surprised if a new movie didn't wind up happening.

[@Yodah97]

It is very notable. It's part of the reason why this ending feels like crap. They were clearly so focused on not being called out when they release a sequel that they forget to respect John's death in this movie. It must be the most rushed and emotionless death of a protagonist I've ever seen in a movie.

[@fallous]

John Wick has sadly followed the same path as John Rambo. First Blood was realistic and believable, and then there were the sequels where Rambo simply becomes a cartoon.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

"Shoot 'Em Up" is an unrealistic and over the top action movie, but that film doesn't take it self too seriously and still has less plot armor than the John Wick sequels. There's never a moment in that movie that takes me out of it. The main character in super good at killing people, but you still feel like he could be killed, and he does get hurt.

[@PanzerblitzRnR]

The movie starts with Clive Owen eating a carrot. The movie is polite enough to tell you up-front that this is a cartoon.

[@nhagan001]

@@PanzerblitzRnR don’t they also make Looney Tunes jokes as well?

[@thebatman4279]

I love the scene where Paul Giamatti's character shoots out the neon lettering on the rooftop to say something like 'Fuck you' 😂 It totally embraces the absurd.

[@brandishaccount5439]

Surprised to see you still here giving support to these guys. I've been a former fan but after S.K. and the other of his friends I have been only becoming aware how scummy, illiterate, and cowardly these guys can be. Especially Meme lately who is pretty much content with literal bigotry from this community while behaving like a passive agressive girlfriend towards the likes of Southpaw and S.K. You will be able to tell by either this comment getting deleted or a bunch of peeps responding by utterly dismissing the guys I just mentioned...

[@Oscirus]

No it doesn't dude jumps out of a plane without a parachute and shoots a person with bullets in his hand. Wick might be unrealistic but it never reaches shoot em up heights

[@bad-people6510]

Kaine knows John so well he knew John would do this thing that was someone else's idea.

[@rayvonvelez3129]

One of the things I found most hilarious in the 4th film was everyone the special plot armor vests now. And all the things that main henchmen guy of the marqui kept surviving from was hilarious. 1st he got hit by a full speeding car completely flies in the air and falls flat on his face. The next 20 seconds of that scene somehow he's in a car again and he's chasing after john wick again, how did he get up and how did he find another why did he need to find another car. Then he gets shot and trips down a flight of stairs and still survives, Why are there no snipers in the Paris scene? Plot armor vests baby.

[@aeneas237]

I could see bows and arrows working if they had swords instead and the other side had swords, like you can only use swords where they are because of custom or something. It’s not at stupid as shooting arrows at Scarlet Witch but it’s close! Also when I was a kid playing army or spies or whatever my friends and I pretended we had bulletproof vests by wearing sweater vests our Dads had. Hi Rags

[@morganseppy5180]

I assume they thought they were being clever following the letter of the law of "no guns allowed". But of course, "The house always wins" (cheats).

[@sockpocketpre-alpha8258]

The arrows go through the armor of the table guys

[@theraven268]

I'm sure some scifi series has done this premise. But it could be cool if some tech was invented that defended against all objects moving over some level of speed. Making it necessary to use older weapons, mainly hand to hand combat which would be able to get past the tech because they were slow enough. You would have to justify why the tech is unable to defend against slower attacks, like it is unable to distinguish friendly movements and perhaps it is implanted so it cannot ever be turned off or something. Maybe it was harming the users because of their own movements so they had to set it to only stop things moving faster than a human can reasonably move. Potentially the protagonist (or certain characters in general) are trained to be faster or slower overall to get around this limitation to some extent.

[@Etheriix]

Cain: john is my friend and i knew he didnt know about the mending of ticket to rejoin his family to challenge the marquis in a duel, so i knew he would be told that by winston which led me to believe that john would try to mend his ticket and the quest to kill the person who killed her father.

[@hiverhythm]

Well I think the criticisms are quite valid. Long shots and clarity of action do go a long way with the decent martial arts. Obviously the story has gotten completely silly but it's still an enjoyable movie to me. I would say the criticisms make me enjoy the movie a bit more now that I realize how silly it is. It's not as good as Flashpoint or the Raid 2 in terms of all time great action movies, I think due to the critique provided.

[@ancientflames]

Movie was fun, but I agree. Ever since they included the magic suit armor in 2, I was significantly less interested in the fight scenes. That’s something you do as a one off not make a rule. It breaks all stakes and ruins the entire universe. No one is an assassin because no one can die anymore unless the plot deems it so.

[@Wheningoubt]

I don't know how you could do the suit as a "one off" to be honest, it seems that baked into the concept is the idea that it's not particularly hard to come by one, at least for a well connected assassin. But I'm generally opposed to one-off OP items in general, as they're vulnerable to becoming a contrivance that are only around to be convenient anyway, so maybe there's a way to do this that I'm just not able to see. I think it would have been acceptable if being shot still had some kind of impact, which the film clearly knows should be the case considering how the armored guys in the Osaka hotel were (sometimes) getting thrown around by being struck with bullets, even if they didn't penetrate. But the way the suit is done in the JW universe is probably one of the worst examples of literal plot armor that I've seen, where grabbing your suit collar is basically equal to turning on an invincibility cheat in a game.

[@ancientflames]

@@Wheningoubt Just make it something only really high level people have and the person who gave it to john wick dies after or its his own personal set. Makes no sense the high table wants to control everyone, yet allows everyone to have invincible armor making all their assassins almost entirely useless lol. So mad cus look how good the fights are in John Wick 1 and even 2 to a degree. Then everyone becomes an ultron robot in 3 and 4.

[@theraven268]

​@@ancientflames A good way to do this kind of OP item is to make severe drawbacks "look at the armor in Berserk". If John Wick got something akin to Iron Man Mark 1 Armor that made him super slow and he had to plan a spesific encounter using it well with it's limitations removing pieces as he goes. Then it could be in the back of our minds for later movies (could he bring back or use that armor or similar armor here) without being a negative. And it would be reasonable for nobody else to use that armor since it is so bulky and expensive that paying 20 guys with just guns is cheaper.

[@Raaaaaaaaai]

Man, people get REALLY defensive when someone dares to criticize this movie...

[@RobertMorgan]

Yet, they refuse to criticize things that ARE being roundly critiqued by many other creators, such as the The Last of Us show. I'm here to hear EFAP shit on stuff. I started watching during terminator Woke Fate.

[@RobertMorgan]

This is actually a good example, Critical drinker has a video about how good JW4 is, so it gets confusing.

[@samwallaceart288]

​​@@RobertMorgan EFAP and Drinker don't expect each other to adhere to one belief or "side"; the point of these conversations is to hear the _differences_ each member has to offer. What people keep _not getting_ about MauLer is he isn't about the whole "we need to say this thing is 'bad' because the group decided it is". He didn't do the anti-TLJ bandwagon because it's "woke trash and that's bad for my side"; his whole point was the discourse of "this is GOOD/BAD because it supports GROUP" is bullshit no matter what side you're on; it's not about what side likes it, it's about whether or not the thing in and of itself makes sense to him. TLOU is anti-republican _but it makes sense_ for what it is, and he isn't about to pretend it's bad just because he doesn't like its politics. That's totally in line with how MauLer judges shit. It's not confusing at all

[@bcanimacoes6280]

The reason someone would rate this a 10/10 is entirely different as to the reasons why someone would rate something like Jacob's Ladder a 10 for example. It means that for an action movie that plays itself very straight, it's actual quality and perhaps among the best in quite a while. John Wick sells itself as an over the top unrealistic cheesy world that plays itself straight and serious. That's the appeal of it. Hence no cops coming after him. Hence john wick being quite literally the myth everyone says he is. He is pretty much a videogame character. You can be objective about the plot for sure, but i don't think you're doing it in the most fair way. For me, The Raid is a 10/10 movie for example. It knows exactly what it is. And it plays it straight.

[@bumponalog5001]

John Wick 1 is objectively good. 2-4 are not good, but certainly enjoyable and entertaining.

[@theraven268]

They CAN Be enjoyable and entertaining. It reminds me of the old defence of the Transformers movies as being "popcorn" "turn your brain off" movies.

[@weirdowithacello3481]

59:33 Don't forget when he was captured in the first movie.

[@rswallen]

Let's be real. We all know that there is only one reason that the EFAP gang like John Wick 1 and dislike the other 3. And his name is Willem Dafoe.

[@Kernwadi]

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[@redbearington3345]

Dafoe is Da man

[@nhagan001]

I mean, that is a good reason, not gonna lie.

[@Phoenix0F8]

I'm something of a Dafoe enjoyer myself

[@xrphoenix7194]

William Daefoe

[@Wyzai]

Whenever someone says "it's dumb fun" or an equivalent, that's the audience giving up. Debate over. They fully admit it's trash. It's just that people love trotting that excuse out while pretending it somehow saves the media and makes it not bad. The follow up should just be "So you think it's bad?" to force them to either defend or abandon their position.

[@saisameer8771]

The writing is undoubtedly bad, but in terms of pure spectacle there are very few movies that really deliver. I can't think of a whole lot of movies where the fights aren't over edited shaky cam garbage or dull cgi messes. The mission impossible franchise is admittedly much better written with than John Wick with great stunts and all but it still can't hold a candle to John Wick's more close quarter battles.

[@hiverhythm]

I think John Wick 1 is still a bit silly. Namely the whole secret assassin society with the coins and what not. It is like a comic book in a lot of ways. It's a lot more grounded in John Wick 1 and I agree that John Wick 1 is the best of the films.

[@little_sleepy_lee]

As someone who is a sucker for this series, I very much enjoy and appreciate listening to EFAP (as always)! I’ve got a heart for the JW series despite its many many flaws and over the top sequences. And gotta say, as someone learning jiu jitsu, seeing SO MANY jiu jitsu techniques in JW4 was hype (although incredibly unrealistic in the kind of situations he would use them in, and even the way it was executed 😅). even though I pick apart the films and I so enjoy listening to the EFAP Crew critique JW, this series seemingly remains a guilty pleasure of mine. disappointed with the lost potential as the plot progressed, but still, I definitely agree with Gary’s (Nerdrotic’s) assessment of JW4 in the purely emotional/ irrational sense 😄

[@NimbusTM]

I'm late to this, but I thought Caine wasn't killed after the Marquis lost because he was relieved by the Marquis before he handed him the gun, so he was exempt from the condtions of the duel's results. So, Clancy Brown couldn't have him killed, because the Marquis had freed him of being a nomination and his obligation to the Table before dying.

[@mykr0324]

Why is anyone even bothering with lower calibre weapons and shooting anywhere near his centre of mass if they know he has an indestructible, energy absorbing super suit on. Aren't they all meant to be super assassins?

[@shadowpriest2574]

Yeah, kind of wierd that armor piercing rounds exist in 3, but nobody uses them after.

[@Kernwadi]

"Nostalgia is stored in the testicles." -Bilbo Baggins

[@Astroman10]

4:01:15 - the High Table is secure ran by Admiral Thrawn. That’s how they view a massive lose as a victory!

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

Love how they tear this movie apart but deepthroated The Last of US.

[@saisameer8771]

Even the game feels like a very generic zombie apocalypse story with some decent characters.

[@DaMaster012]

Rags at 1:02:09 : "You can't blow up a massive building in downtown New York City and not have a massive government investigation." Oh, Rags, you sweet, summer pup, let me tell you about something that was called Building Seven...

[@mariusvanc]

Ok, what does that have to do with demoing a hotel? Like, it clearly wasn't a gas leak.

[@spudg8558]

@@mariusvanc It means if you have friends in high places in the govt, they can make that sort of thing go away. Granted, it's a bad example because two other towers and the pentagon weren't demolished at the same time as the Continental, but I think he's just memeing.

[@artofalmost9479]

The real dumb thing about the 'Don't make the same mistake that New York made' line is that the mistake New York made was breaking the rules. Koji is following the rules. So he isn't making the same mistake New York made. At all.

[@akashajones6079]

He didn't follow the rules, he let John (an excommunicated member) take refuge in the hotel.

[@artofalmost9479]

@@akashajones6079 They didn't know that at that point though. At least that's the way it seemed to me.

[@SonnyBLightSun]

I hope you guys make individual in-depth critique analysis videos for John Wick, Chapter 2, and Chapter 3 Parabellum. Something similar to what you guys did with Robert Pattinson Batman. Go through all the John wick movies slowly with purpose, please. 35:20 Mostly because you can only find one video out there on KZbin that critiques the John Wick movies. The one being Rec Doug's video "I Don't Like The John Wick Sequels."

[@zzickos]

Metal has a 46 min. video on John Wick 3

[@Oscirus]

Yall missed the after the credits scene. Daughter comes after Cain

[@phuqutoob-pf7pb]

If you’re into The Raid and Ip Man movies I'd recommend Tony Jaa's movies, a Muai Thai stuntman that does crazy stunt and fight work. Ong Bak Trilogy (especially 2 +3). Also Fearless with Jet Lee

[@Hippo_Hegemony]

Ong Bak 2-3 are amazing.

[@phuqutoob-pf7pb]

Ong Bak 1 and The Protector have great fights and stunts, Protector with a great single shot sequence involving three flights of stairs and a man thrown over a balcony through a gazebo.

[@alexanderhershberger7488]

Hey yall, been a fan of mauler for a long time but ive never heard him talk about the 3 movies that almost made him walk out of the cinema. Can someone direct me to the video/efap where he talks about it? I’m curious what would give the long man that sort of reaction

[@jcore0981]

When someone in response says shit like, "I don't watch it for the story," then why are you at a movie theater? You paid 10-11 dollars to get the ticket, around 11 bucks for popcorn and a drink, all to sit in a chair for 3 hours for selective action scenes, which, if I'm generous, are an hour of the film. Why not just wait till it comes out on-demand. Or wait till the action scenes are on KZbin. Why waste the money and time to go see a story you don't give a fuck about which makes up over half the film?

[@SwampGreen14]

Also, how is that any different from the TLJ defenders? „But muh visuals“ still isn‘t an excuse for shitty writing. Yes, its an action film, but thats no excuse to completely fuck up the worldbuilding.

[@TheNoonish]

Surely the reason they like action scenes is because the action is completed by the story surrounding them, which gives a good context for why characters are in the scenario. So they actually do like the story, they just don't want to have to defend anything about it.

[@tomgu2285]

The story is great. Chance my mind.

[@akashnagar8694]

Loved the movie. But always enjoy a good EFAP

[@NortonTaylor]

"this is an axe themed gang" Kung Fu hustle anyone?

[@HectorLopez0217]

It’s baffling that the D&D movie has more consistent world building, setting, and defined system then John Wick

[@mariusvanc]

It's only had decades of worldbuilding.

[@TheLuigiufc]

I definitely agree with EFAP's criticisms on the film especially from a writing standpoint. But I still love this film more than 2 and 3 despite its many dumb moments.

[@bumponalog5001]

Agreed. It has a great character moment, when he says "loving husband."

[@metalmayfantasy]

Kinda said the same thing and got roasted in the comments by people just regurgitating efap's talking points. No disrespect to efap, they have their own opinions.

[@TheLuigiufc]

@@metalmayfantasy Well they dont speak for their community and often have fights with them for example Homecoming and Winter Soldier feuds.

[@xrphoenix7194]

@@TheLuigiufc the community is firmly in the dumbass category on homecoming and civil war. But sometimes efap dips their toe in the dumbass category like with ATLA

[@aeondiablo4693]

Rags' is wrong yet again. As someone who also lives in America, I have heard people use the term 'ground floor', it's used interchangeably with '1st floor'. Also, I'm not sure I've ever actually seen a building that skips the 13th floor

[@mattarcher8103]

I've actually been to a building that skipped the 13th floor and just went from 12th to 14th.

[@aeondiablo4693]

@Matt Archer I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen. It's even possible that I have been in one that does, and I either didn't notice or just don't remember. I'm just saying it's not as prevalent as Rag's comments make it seem.

[@yunomyname7051]

The first JW is a very good movie. The second is OK. After that, there is too many ridiculous things ( JW is a super hero now, there's a blind assassin etc ...) . JW4 is the worst of the series ( except for the dog peeing on the bad guy scene .... That was funny )

[@radiokarma7018]

Really miss you covering video essays. Maybe we could get a balance between that and reviews?

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

They take a very long time to make, Mauler makes enough of them.

[@theraven268]

​@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 Their efaps covering other peoples video essays don't take more time to make. Maulers own "video essays" might take a long time but is not what the original comment was requesting.

[@kylefrank638]

Rags: somehow misinterprets MauLer's meaning of "dying (theorhetically) daughter", two seconds later says "overexceed"

[@bad-people6510]

I'd love to see a spinoff procedural set in the John Wick world that's just about underworld lawyers that have to navigate this complex web of bylaws and precedents.

[@sherlockholmes9938]

Almost walked out of John Wick 2? Interesting.

[@chungusthewise2906]

Is that interesting? It’s definitely taking itself into a different direction than 1 had previously set up

[@imboard675]

​@@chungusthewise2906 Mauler had an idea of what John Wick was in his head. Since John Wick 2 didn't fulfill that idea, it's a bad movie lol

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

My friend walked out of John wick 4

[@sherlockholmes9938]

@@mrminecraftcubeable interesting.

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@chungusthewise2906I can understand walking out of TLJ or Jurassic World or something as disrespectful to the previous iterations as that but John Wick 1 was a good movie but nothing amazing. 2 may have sucked but that being the one that he almost walked out on is interesting. I guess I just never saw the John Wick franchise as something that garnered that much emotion for

[@7hird3ye]

People like Winter Soldier for the same reasons as the Wick films. Seemingly Bourne-esque, "gritty" fight scenes and choreography. So I think Marvel would indeed get less flack if they were filmed more like the Wick films.

[@WL1264]

Winter soldier has better character stuff and acting.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

My understanding about the Osaka battle having katanas, throwing knives and bows was that the writers knew that they would have to fight dudes in the vibranium suits. Since they introduced the suits, they made it clear, bladed equipment works well on those suits. I let them have the absurdity of the suits logistics since it has remained somewhat consistent (even if it's stupid) and the integration of Japanese weaponry to counter the suits seemed like a neat concept. The sumo guys are still pretty stupid though. One of them got headshot the instant he charged the guys with guns (shocking) but the chungus health bar saved him.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

Yeah i was iffy watching it but i thought maybe the arrows and blades work on the superman bulletproof suits Honestly should have given the dog one too

[@ell_G]

When I saw the car chase in Paris I remembered the location from Mission Impossible Fallout and then I was sad because I was in the cinema watching John Wick and not at home watching Mission Impossible.

[@theraven268]

After Ghost Protocol i would not have though the next 2 could be so good, meanwile after John Wick 1 i would not have thought the next 3 would be so bad.