Elizabeth Wettlaufer Case Analysis | Killer Nurse

[@JudeMarchisio]

8 murders and parole should never be in the same sentence.

[@ashleymarie3978]

In Canada, we don't have a sentence of life without parole. 25 years is our longest sentence, although sentences can be served consecutively. We generally have very lenient sentencing compared to many other countries. I'm not saying its right, but that's the reason. Edited: just because she is eligible for parole doesn't mean she will get it!

[@dirtysanchez5154]

@@ashleymarie3978Even though she is eligible for parole doesn't mean she will get it. I doubt she will ever be released

[@ashleymarie3978]

@@dirtysanchez5154 yes, thats true!!

[@AlwaysLearningtoTeach]

Agreed. I’m not even sure why parole is an option.

[@faithcastillo9597]

8 murders, concurrent sentences...life is cheap in Canada. Victim's lives, that is. Certainly wouldn't want to ruin ALL of a convicted murder's life.

[@aliliving7774]

"The costume was when she dressed as a nurse." If that isn't the most succint way of describing this case, i don't know what is.

[@kaym.2854]

So much truth to that statement. Smh... The fact that she got away with it for so long is baffling to me. It's not like she had a great personality to hide what she was doing. Are people's emotional intelligence so low?

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@kaym.2854 Their lack of compassion for the elderly and infirm is complete. They would treat a cocker spaniel better.

[@thereal4113]

Just speculating that her Satan costume was at the dry cleaners that day 👹.

[@alisonmercer5946]

@@kaym.2854 there is a crisis in a lot of homes in Ontario and Quebec(here in newfoundland I don't know of any torture homes ) I'm sure bad ones are in other provinces , too, but it is apparently the norm to neglect the people and not hire enough staff to do the work in Ontario and Quebec. understaffed , underpaid and overworked is a perfect place for a evil nurse to do evil things when you think about it. so It's a wonder she got caught at all. Though I don't know if where she worked was one of the neglect n torture homes making as much money as they could not actually taking care of anyone. Really, the owners of these homes are just as evil as this nurse because they make loads of money not taking care of residents. Leave them in diapers for weeks , I bet that's great for the skin, don't turn them over and let the bed sores come. And the gov had been told about the issues for years and nothing done. Its OK to neglect people when it is a care home. And I see these posters by the gov in Dr's waiting rooms and other gov buildings saying do you know how to recognize elder abuse? Elder abuse is a crime. So gov, you got these posters saying elder abuse is a crime, call some number to report. hahaha , yet there are these homes called care homes that have been torturing elderly people and treating staff like crap for years and they have been reported to the gov for years and the gov hadn't done a thing to fix it,so let the vulnerable elderly suffer and never fix it. Let there be an abuse of elderly people in care homes that you are alerted to over and over again and dont address . But you got these recoginse elder abuse posters everywhere. How Twisted, absurd and hypocritical can it get

[@kaym.2854]

​@@alisonmercer5946 Sad & distasteful. Some societies have no respect or compassion for the elderly. It's almost as though people think they'd never get there.

[@shoelace7160]

If there's one thing I've learned this past year from the nurses that graduated from my high school, it's that there's a surprising quantity (still the minority though of course) in the profession with a complete disregard for human life. Some are drawn to the power it gives them over vulnerable people, rather than to any sort of calling to heal.

[@cacu3989]

psych nurses are the worst

[@mommakimmins5554]

As someone who frequents the hospital due to health conditions, people like her keep me awake at night with the cold sweats.

[@shoelace7160]

@hello1234 I've had similar thoughts. I know my bedside manner would be trash because I'm too blunt and can't do small talk, but I'd make damn sure the patients got the best possible care I could give. I can't really fathom doing anything less when it's someone's health on the line.

[@sunrae7680]

@@shoelace7160 Hi. There are many forms of nursing. What matters is wanting to help. Most of the time we're too busy for small talk.😀

[@elliedaniels2245]

And some nurses go into the field to snag doctors. I just heard about a case where the homewrecker nurse was tossed in prison for killing the doctor she stole from his wife.

[@elainetrostinsky3104]

As an owner and an administrator of 2 small elderly long term care facilities I can’t understand how this woman was allowed to continue working as a nurse. As a human being, I can’t understand the disregard for human life!

[@DottieMinerva]

Some places are desperate and will take just about anyone.

[@Lindsey0007]

My grandparents on my moms side both stayed at elderly care facilities until they passed away and I know how hard of a job that can be, and because of the smells I can only imagine some of the dirty jobs the nurses have to do. My grandpa was a very difficult man his whole life and he would be extremely mean to the male nurses but flirt with the female nurses. He was an extreme narcissist and after my grandma died, he was kicked out of several nursing homes. I would like to thank you for your service to the elderly because I know how difficult it can be, especially when they are out of touch with reality. Basically I’ve noticed that as my grandparents get older, they got much nicer or much meaner. My moms dad and my dads mom got meaner, but my moms mom and my dads dad got nicer. My dads dad lost his arm at age 8 but even still he is so kind and cheerful. He is such a sweetheart and I will miss him dearly when he passes. I worry he will pass before my grandma because she relies on him so much, especially cognitively and emotionally, and I think she won’t know what to do with herself. Right now they live at home but due to the free healthcare in Canada, are blessed to have nurses that come to their home multiple times a day to give them their meds and bathe them, bring them food, etc. whereas my moms parents lived in the US, so it was a much different set up and they couldn’t afford to get nurses coming to their home. Again I really appreciate you taking care of the elderly. It can be such a difficult job. And I have so much empathy because I know how hard it was for my moms parents to leave their home behind. You really are one of gods angels on earth! 🙏🏽♥️👼🏼

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Me neither. I don't understand her actions, but they are expected from a sociopathic murderer. What I don't get is the reaction to her confessions. People tend to look down on women when they are threatening someone and see them as annoying when they are trying to be assertive. Then they see them as victims when they actually act in their words. Even so this is a crazy extreme case.

[@bthomson]

Lindsey - THIS!

[@icturner23]

If you don’t understand, how much do you pay your staff and how do you know that is high enough to get suitable staff?

[@nicoledidyk2669]

These crimes, which happened in my neck of the woods, has sent a chill through the long-term care community in the entire country. So many older adults and families are terrified of something like this happening to a vulnerable parent or grandparent. So much harm done. Thank God for ethical nurses and others who look after older adults, of whom I've met hundreds in my 20 year career as a doctor. Thanks for the insight into the mental health and personality issues at play in the crimes.

[@nicoledidyk2669]

..and thanks for highlighting the rampant ageism.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

The real problem was that NO ONE she confessed to did a thing. No one. That there are a handful of murdering psychopaths in the human population is no surprise. The fact that others will tiptoe around them, and allow them to continue even after they confess, is more than anyone should be asked to bear. Don't tell me we'd resist Nazism. No we would not.

[@akuiper2654]

My mother and brother both worked with this woman, and she absolutely had a chilling effect on the entire community. Another issue is that all her employers agreed not to report her to her regulatory body in exchange for her resignation. She could have been stopped multiple times.

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

I think the life expectancy in such facilities probably went down as a result of her crimes because of the psychological stress you alluded to.

[@donnawoodford6641]

What would EW have thought if her sentence was to die by lethal injection?

[@muffinstuffin3303]

We tune in each day! Never disappointed with interesting, well presented content!

[@gazepskotzs4]

We do! We are! And you're right!

[@bthomson]

Bonus: cacti rotation and wardrobe obsession!

[@RoccosVideos]

Seems like she wanted someone to stop her but no one did.

[@petejames1326]

as her lawyer i would have blamed the people who didnt stop her for her crimes.

[@allisonpearce3382]

LTC facilities in Ontario are horribly understaffed, she was the only nurse on duty most likely

[@amandastakeonit7402]

Same with Jeffrey Dahmer and many other killers.

[@debrajones7344]

@@allisonpearce3382 Same in the US.

[@Willa4420]

I think she did want to stop.

[@ginkellum178]

I watched an interview with Elizabeth... it was like she was discussing a party she had attended.. she was so immature and openly showed others what she was doing. She was so happy with what she had done - it was Why, why, why did someone not step in and stop this madness!!

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

The medical field hides indiscretions better than the catholic church.

[@gazepskotzs4]

@@SoManyRandomRamblings lol, but still sad and true!

[@randomsarcasm2022]

Where is that interview located?

[@hawtee1619]

oh yeah, that the interrogation video where she farted! anybody else see it?

[@johntaranto29]

@@hawtee1619 lmfao yeah, I feel bad laughing at such a grim murdering topic and farts are natural, but grande wasn't kidding when he said she was bizarre

[@davidbrienlantry8760]

The continual confessions of this woman are bizarre. Did her friends and coworkers think to themselves, "Her comes Elizabeth, probably to confess killing someone...again!"

[@cacu3989]

I couldn't help but laugh at this

[@jamesa.romano8500]

@@cacu3989 When a True Crime video sounds more like a St. Olaf story Rose would tell on the Golden Girls that tends to happen

[@gaylesharp9652]

I’ve never heard of such an honest killer. She must have led a miserable life. Surely she won’t ever be released from prison.

[@brad7566]

Borderline. Did it for attention and liked the recognition for her crimes

[@jcjcviews]

To me, she seemed to be a very nice person except that she was absolutely crazy.

[@brad7566]

@@therealdeal3672 youre right. I meant her being "honest" about all of her crimes was more of an attention thing

[@jcjcviews]

@@therealdeal3672 Sorry to be mistaken for someone who supports random murder. You’ve got me wrong. Let’s get real, Real Deal. Did you really think that I meant to be serious? No response is required. Reasonable acts of the mentally deranged do not coincide with those of normal persons. Can we agree? No, “murderers” are never nice, but can they be crazy? Yes, which was my point. And that, sir, is the Real Deal. Thank you for your comments.

[@jcjcviews]

@@therealdeal3672 Sorry to be mistaken for someone who supports random murder. You’ve got me wrong. Let’s get real, Real Deal. Did you really think that I meant to be serious? No response is required. Reasonable acts of the mentally deranged do not coincide with those of normal persons. Can we agree? No, “murderers” are never nice, but can that be crazy? Yes, which was my point. And that, sir, is the Real Deal. Thank you for your comments.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What a disturbing case. I am personally disgusted by any type of elderly abuse, there is no excuse for that. Furthermore, I can’t even believe she was a RN. I have worked with many nurses in different settings and generally speaking they tend to be compassionate and hard-working. I admire and respect their work very much, I watch their daily struggles and I can see how much they care for their patients/residents. But this woman has nothing to do with the nursing profession. Her behavior was truly repulsive. Excellent analysis Dr. Grande, much appreciated.❤️

[@cottontails9003]

Rejane I'm a registered nurse, and am appalled at what the (minority)of rn do. I work in neonatal and paediatric icu. I absolutely love my work. Also my husband is a specialist in the emergency department. Not all nurses are like her. Thank goodness. Hope you have a great day.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@cottontails9003 Oh neonatal/pediatric ICU, that’s very commendable. I have covered this unit in the past but I find it challenging, my heart breaks to see the little ones in that situation.🥺 Nurses are near and dear to my heart, most of the nurses I know are very empathetic. BTW, I am a registered dietitian.😉 Thank you, I hope you have a great day too:)

[@cottontails9003]

@@rejaneoliveira5019 Thank you. The smallest baby l looked after weights 460grams. She survived and the only complications, she has is too wear glasses. Apart from she is up with her peers. Also I think dieticians rock ☝.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@cottontails9003 My goodness, 460 gm 😱😨! That’s amazing that she had no complications apart from the glasses! Aww, thanks.☺️

[@cottontails9003]

@@rejaneoliveira5019 Thank you. Watching that small baby grow was pure delight. The only reason why she needed glasses was she needed a lot of oxygen too survive . Please have a great day.

[@DottieMinerva]

The way the elderly are cared for are exactly why my dad will never go into a care home while I still walk this earth.

[@bthomson]

Maybe Devil's Advocate here but many many nursing homes or eldercare units are so very caring and run with real consideration for their patients! Of course there are bad apples and not enough staff and support but I would bet that most are ok.

[@cynthiaschell7246]

most nursing homes are terrible, I've toured them and only as very last resort when you can't lift the person or get help in caring for them should they be used and even then, it's a serious risk

[@MarisaAndChew]

I won't ever put my parents in one either unless they end up being violent beyond my control. I've volunteered at old age homes off and on since I was 11 and it was horrible how desperate patients were for one on one conversation and to just be heard. The recreational activities were children's songs and the odd game like bingo. I realize for some with cognitive issues this can be good, but I also know that playing music to their eras and serving food they're likely familiar with etc is beneficial. My dad is in his late 60's, he's always listening to both old and new songs from acdc, alice Cooper and heck even Miley Cyrus, kids songs drive him batty, I can't imagine ever saying ok dad let's sing Mary Had A Little Lamb when kids things are something that annoy him after years of children playing that stuff on repeat! He's still working and healthy but if/when he needs help he and my mom both will get it at home, surrounded by their things that they loved, with shows and music they enjoy, and food that matches how they like to eat! No shade to anyone who has used a home, I know they are necessary at times.

[@monacoofthebluepacific2571]

Same, my elderly and very sick mother receives hospice care in her own home from visiting nurses and my siblings and I.

[@DottieMinerva]

@@bthomson I’m sure some are but usually they’re so expensive.

[@jakobfromthefence]

There’s this nurse here in Germany who was filling covid vaccination syringes with saline solution. I think they invited around 10.000 people for additional vaccination as a result. I wouldn’t mind hearing an analysis of that case, dr.

[@pwallace5359]

My goodness, I hadn’t heard about that!

[@superduperfly6076]

She saved many of blood clots, strokes, myocarditis and pericarditis and SV-40!

[@RoccosVideos]

As an RN I find this truly disturbing. I feel terrible for the victims and their families.

[@burprobrox9134]

As a non-rn I agree.

[@feurigerStern]

I worked in a hospital shortly after a respiratory therapist was found murdering patients. The healthcare staff were still reeling from its effects. I cannot imagine the feeling of horror and betrayal.

[@mattheww797]

I think its important not to judge nurses for killing their patients. Sometimes they want to help their patients not feel so much pain. And so killing them is a way of saving them perhaps. In a way they have too much empathy.

[@bthomson]

The oath is "First do no harm". Pain is a terrible thing to have to watch but euthanasia is not an option due to patient and family feelings and rights!

[@ZombieMiezz]

@@mattheww797 Hard no!

[@tara2072]

Just poured coffee after food shopping. Perfect timing 👏👏 ..and can I just tell you how much I love that color on you

[@gazepskotzs4]

Color looks good on him! I want to cut his hair so bad,being a barber for years, i would love to see his hair a bit shorter! The beard , glasses and choice of clothes are perfect and i would not change a thing if i were him. It is just my opinion,lol!, but i would cut his hair for free (not saying he can't pay a hairdresser) i would feel honoured to do this!

[@bthomson]

Sooo.. Did I say obsessed?

[@KattMurr]

She's a popular topic lately. This is the third time I've heard her story this week!

[@SR-mz8nn]

It’s astonishing how so many people just sat by and watched this happen. If my coworker said that stuff, I’d report her immediately.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

The medical field hides indiscretions better than the catholic church could ever dream to.

[@JustDr.S]

I know! And it happens more than you'd think! Absolutely terrifying!

[@JustDr.S]

@@SoManyRandomRamblings They do. Until it gets way out of hand.

[@gazepskotzs4]

@@JustDr.S it must get WAY out of hand before admitting faillure, sweeping shit under the rug is invented in the medical field!

[@JustDr.S]

@@gazepskotzs4 I totally agree. Their precious reputations and not wanting to be sued is the most important thing to them. Admin doesn't care about the patients.

[@BattleManiac7]

From nurse friends and family here in Ontario, I have heard that the union can sometimes end up protecting nurses that aren't...great. So while I want to be, I'm not surprised that her initial firing was changed to a resignation, or how she stayed at places despite showing up under the influence of alcohol and having other behaviour issues.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

Yes exactly. The medical field hides indiscretions better than the catholic church could ever dream to. Especially easy to do so when each state has a completely separate system, so even if they get fired for killing people in one state they can just move to another and start again. Also easy for bosses to overlook past issues when there is a nursing shortage so hospitals are desperate for warm bodies to fill the slots.

[@mikeballard8404]

Thats normal with unions i.e. NY teachers union.

[@BattleManiac7]

@@mikeballard8404 Yeah. And I know there are gonna be bad people or people bad at their job in all fields, buy its much more serious with medical workers tho. I can excuse the teachers I've had in the past that weren't great, and generally I look back on school fondly, but a bad nurse can get people killed. And not even on purpose.

[@TheWanderingNomad]

From an outsider looking in it does not work like that. The union may have had grounds to give her back her God because there might not have been supporting evidence. I for one know that the CNO does not protect nurses. They fire nurses who do harm the public. I know of people who the CNO has fired

[@crazycoyote9732]

I worked as an aide in a small hospital/LTC with an RN whom we found out was stealing drugs from patients..most in palliative...she was sent to rehab,and couldnt be in charge of the med cart for a year..she would escort the LPNs around while they dispensed the meds,her still getting her RN wage,while the LPNs did her job dispensing meds for a year,while they got LPN wages..all because of the Nurses Union protecting her..lots of pissed off people still working with her and fearful when her addiction will kick in again,considering her access to the med cart...takes awhile to track these discrepancies when patients arent getting their pain meds,but instead,given aspirin or some other placebo to make them think they're getting it..she should automatically lose her license..its so wrong on so many levels..

[@maureeningleston1501]

Another great choice Dr Grande, look forward to hearing your speculation on what makes her tick.

[@cheridehart7771]

I have been in hospitals and long term care facilities, I always needed to be careful about the medication because there were times I was given the wrong medication or doses. Some nurses would get upset when I questioned them only to have them come back to apologize for the mistake.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

So true. 100% this is why I had to leave nursing, because I cared about people and it was destroying me seeing how the system operates and absolutely refuses to see reality let alone change

[@katlynlacroix5261]

I'm 28 now, but when I was 17 I did two stays in the psych ward, 3 days each. (Just starting to treat my depression and my meds weren't correct and I was suicidal and overwhelmed). I remember a male nurse who gave me my meds, but there was 3x the amount of one of them that there should have been (3 tablets instead of 1) when I said something I got in trouble/he got angry so I took it. The rest of the night is an out of body experience for me, I remember parts of it very well, I remember how messed up I felt. My boyfriend had come to visit me, as had a friend from my high school. I couldn't remember either of their names, and I remember trying to introduce them to each other and being unable, I could barely get my words right. It was so scary

[@cacu3989]

@@katlynlacroix5261 Psych nurses are THE WORST.

[@catchtwenty22]

She farts sooooo loud in a 5x8 room with the investigator. It sounded damp and ripe and he just sat in there with her and continued the questioning. He really deserved a promotion.

[@hawtee1619]

i saw that depo!!

[@jguenther3049]

Another attempt at murder!

[@catchtwenty22]

@@hawtee1619 I couldn’t do it. If I were him I would have excused MYSELF for a breath of air.

[@crazycheeks3]

@@jguenther3049 🤣

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

@@jguenther3049 Isn't that against the Geneva Conventions?

[@felisasininus1784]

I love Dr. Grande's dead pan humor. Thanks for the knowledge doctor!

[@OddLeah]

Im a Canadian nurse, had read a bit about the case. I wasnt aware of the 'storylines' regarding male and female patients. With the rest of the history detailed here, I have suspicions of child SA. Not that it excuses what she did, but someone should have twigged to serious problems long before she made it to a nursing program.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

With staffing shortages though....they let tons through that shouldn't

[@margie7596]

Wow, rightly said, where was the empathy for the victims from those she confessed to, those who hired her and the pastor! Thanks for the explanation of BPD. Very interesting analysis, Dr Grande.

[@Kimi1968ful]

“The costume was when she was dressed like a nurse”. I love this.

[@JustDr.S]

This should be a good one. Killer nurses. Thats a very scary thought!

[@BigZebraCom]

the most horrifying one I know of is Beverley Allitt. She also tried to poison people outside of a hospital setting.

[@toribern816]

Right?? Nurses are the most trusted professionals in healthcare. Terrible. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@JustDr.S]

@@toribern816 I've replied to you three times. Each comment immediately disappears. What *could* be happening in a situation *like* this??? Please leave your thoughts in the comment section below. ⤵️

[@Annabelle78]

We are the MOST trusted profession and these give us the worst names 😭

[@JustDr.S]

@@Annabelle78 I agree. Glad these types of killers are very few, among the millions of nurses throughout the world.

[@divatheologica5135]

Cumulative failure on the part of her previous work places, pastor and friend. I’m a pastor and if someone told me they killed someone-whether I believed it or not-have a legal obligation to report it. Full stop. There were several “system” failures here on many peoples parts.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

The system is set up to hide stuff like this. None of the reporting systems are connected, so even if they get fired for killing people, all they have to do is move and they can start again like nothing happened. Plus add to that staffing shortages and people look past suspicious stuff all the time

[@Catlily5]

The pastor not saying anything suprised me. The others probably didn't believe her and didn't know what to do, but a pastor!

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

You must be a pastor in a non-cult. The ones in the cults will just say "Welp, you've been paying all the right lip service, so just don't admit it to me again."

[@cottontails9003]

Excellent analysis Dr Grande . As a registered nurse Im appalled by her actions. The elderly people in nursing home's should be treated with respect , dignity, but most of all with love and care. Thank you Dr Grande.

[@theunfortunatespectacle7381]

Until the pandemic, I didn't realize that a very small percentage of nurses are nuts. All of that education and training is no match for homegrown derangement.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

That % isn't as small as we would hope.

[@goldilocks3593]

Obviously there is something seriously wrong with this person but the fact the system had no way of addressing that is the truly disturbing part.

[@theunfortunatespectacle7381]

@@goldilocks3593 I don't know. The system had multiple ways and opportunities to investigate and stop her. Her friends, family and clergy did too. They were lazy, selfish or afraid of a lawsuit. That's what kept them quiet, not the system. The fact that she had to report herself to the licensing board is unbelievable.

[@e_i_e_i_bro]

The Nurses who are being fired for refusing to mask/vaccinate never got into the field to help others to begin with. Narcissistic hero complex is a thing in Healthcare.

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

@@e_i_e_i_bro I don’t get it. Nurses are required to get vaccines before nursing school and have to get a flu shot every year. I’m a nurse and it amazes me how many nurses don’t know how to look up research. Hospitals provide all the resources we need to do this.

[@alimar0604]

I am amazed that this woman was continually employed at all, considering her appalling work history! Also, as insulin was her murder weapon of choice, wouldn't the drugs records reflect that insulin was missing and investigate urgently? 🇬🇧

[@davhot4107]

"wouldn't the drugs records reflect that insulin was missing and investigate urgently?" Probably no because she was also in charge of the drugs records too. She may be modify those too. Also reputation. The fact she was not investigated is because the medical center don't wan't to be "stained" with a murder cases.

[@paulinehooper7938]

No insulin isn't a controlled drug and the homes may have had lots of it. It may not have been missed

[@marycahill546]

Retired RN here. The case was quite sensational here in Ontario at the time. The most shocking part of it is that she would not have been found out had she not voluntarily confessed. Afterward the province tightened up regulations for nurses eg 2 nurses signing for insulin injection not only in hospitals but also in longterm care homes. The problem of reluctance to fire an RN due to shortage of nurses remains a concern.

[@abelis644]

I'm a retired RN, I graduated in 1987 in Winnipeg and later moved to Victoria BC. I never worked anywhere where 2 RNs didn't sign for insulin, whether in hospital or anywhere else! I'm shocked that this b it ch could get away with this. She's just despicable. Those poor patients... Damm her. I also worked in a facility where an "RN" was hired who, as it turned out, had never been an RN... this woman was fired after numerous reports from the rest of us who realized right away that this thing was a fraud. Management apologized to the staff after her dismissal. They hadn't checked her credentials!!! Wtf... Anyway... these types of people are maddening... Take care!

[@rasputinara6477]

Another enabling factor was this society’s general disregard for the elderly generation. Attitudes such as “they don’t do anything, what’s the point in their existence” and “they’re going to die soon anyway” can facilitate horrific abuses aimed at our older people. It’s sickening that the people who raised us and fought for us are shown such little respect in the years when they need it most

[@larrymcjones]

True crime Dr. Grande is my favorite Dr. Grande

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Great way to start my day. Dr. Grande and a cup of coffee. Always interesting. I've known some people in the medical profession. They should never be in that profession. But, they were just shuffled around to another facility. Kinda like priests. Love ❤️ the red shirt. Peace.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

Yes exactly. The medical field hides indiscretions better than the catholic church could ever dream to. Especially easy to do so when each state has a completely separate system, so even if they get fired for killing people in one state they can just move to another and start again. Also easy for bosses to overlook past issues when there is a nursing shortage so hospitals are desperate for warm bodies to fill the slots.

[@barbmurray1821]

I once found a coworker in the bathroom suffering from an overdose from demoral. The DEA was called in because a lock box was missing and because the street value was over a certain amount. You would never know this by working with her

[@dearbh1736]

Did you ever see the TV series, Nurse Jackie? It's a while ago now but she was addicted to painkillers yet managed to do her job well. I know it was only fictional but I am sure it happens more than we know 😊

[@barbmurray1821]

@@dearbh1736 I found out I knew several nurse Jackie's. Love that show

[@michaelchen3765]

I remember hearing her case on the news. I live only 30-45 minutes away from Woodstock so I found this crime to be terrifying considering I was so close to it.

[@lymarie1974]

Broke my nail hitting the video so hard. 🤣.. love me some Dr. Grande knowledge 💝

[@AMYBIERHAUS]

A gorgeous color on you! 🥰

[@ADHD_guy_reacts]

You wet?

[@cruelad1075]

@@ADHD_guy_reacts Why you have to be so rude

[@ADHD_guy_reacts]

@@cruelad1075 not rude. Some women when attracted they get wet easily.

[@cruelad1075]

@@ADHD_guy_reacts And you need to know about her "Bodyfluits"🤔

[@Catlily5]

@@ADHD_guy_reacts Are you in middle school?

[@gloriaelmore9092]

This one gives me chills, Dr. Grande.

[@autumnedwards4448]

Dr Grande I always learn something new about a case from your videos. Thank you for your in-depth speculations doc! You're the best!💖💖

[@billhildebrand5053]

The way of the life of a killer nurse outlasts the 15:53 minutes you devoted to it. Lives that are lost are much more significant than any time dedicated to examining these instances. Thanks Dr. Grande.... On the subject of fantasies, I realize I must stop the fantasies before they fall into action. It can be done. I think the subject of being in control of our thoughts is not explored very often and enough.

[@erikparent8176]

🧠➡️🙏🧘‍♂️➡️🌅😇🧘‍♀️

[@arvvee1832]

"... but certain clues -- like confessing to multiple murders -- should not be ignored." Classic Grande!

[@scar2766]

Hahaha. I live for the quips.

[@bthomson]

Mrs. White in the sick room with the hypodermic needle!

[@arvvee1832]

@@bthomson .. And a full confession to multiple people, including clergy!

[@kellygulnick3960]

Yes!!!! I just caught this interview today for the first time and as soon as I saw it I was hoping you had done an analysis of her!! You never fail me Dr Grande. Now to watch it!!

[@Sweetpea1128]

This was so interesting! I kept thinking as I listened, “What does it take to have a nursing license tagged, disciplined and pulled in Canada?” Also, your comment about the people she confessed to. Maybe they were afraid of her. We had Orville Lynn Majors who was an LPN here in Indiana. Also, check out Dr. Michael Swango. He is a case and a half.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

Not just in Canada....tons of people getting away with the same stuff in America. Part of the problem is that the reporting systems for these things aren't connected in any way, not between states or anything, and so even if they get fired for killing people, all they have to do is move and they can start again like nothing happened. Plus add to that the staffing shortages and people look past suspicious stuff all the time

[@Sweetpea1128]

@@SoManyRandomRamblings What about reference checks? I always had reference checks done with employers and co-workers as well as random drug tests and criminal background checks. Plus, my employer always held a copy of my license. Our state nurse’s association sends out a newspaper that lists the nurses who have infractions against licenses, whose licenses are suspended or even revoked. Who just hires an RN off the street? Answering my own rhetorical question here….I guess nursing homes. I have never worked nursing homes as the elderly were not my calling. I have always worked for hospitals or attorneys. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@goldilocks3593]

It is a very closed system. Like Education - it is almost impossible to be fired. It should be hard - but not THIS hard. 130 formal complaints??? That seems like about 120 too many 🙄🤦‍♀️😡

[@aking4766]

@@Sweetpea1128 there are VERY few RN's in these places...no more than 2 or 3 a day for a hundred patients...maybe there are a good number of CNA's that are there overnight but during early am til evening there are plenty of other staff around. However, one crazy event or being under the influence on the job and that would be that nowadays. She would never make productivity, either...

[@Sweetpea1128]

@@aking4766 This is tragic for all involved. I cannot imagine putting my license in jeopardy like this, and I cannot imagine being ok with the level of patient care given. So, each RN has approximately 33 to 50 patients to assess, chart the assessment and pass meds, plus review vital signs, etc. The worst staffing ratio I have had was 18 patients on a locked psych unit with one tech. Neither of us sat down all shift, I passed meds constantly and charted as I pushed my computer around the unit talking to a patient at a time for assessment. Chart checks, taking off orders and team meetings happened while they were in group. That was nearly impossible, so I can’t imagine what the nursing home is like. I graduated in 1988.

[@allisonpearce3382]

My mom worked with her in Woodstock. You never know what’s going on in the personal lives of people around you.

[@yolipurpleflower9895]

In 2019, when my late older sister was in a nursing home I visited her every afternoon and evening after work. I determined that the staff their knew that a family member was looking out for her best care and interest. I don't know how I would have managed this if she were alive in 2020!

[@Juiceboxdan72]

You are a better person than I am!

[@TannerisSmol97]

What?

[@Catlily5]

Visit her window in virus times!

[@philhuber7493]

I once worked in a nursing home. Consistently those who had daily visitors got the best treatment and care.

[@wendiwonderly1419]

I was an RN in long term care as well as a mental health nurse for 30 years until I retired. It’s not glamorous but it’s nursing too and someone has to do it. However since is sometimes considered (by people who are uninformed) as “lower status” it is more difficult to always recruit good nurses. The majority of the nurses I worked with really enjoyed working with that patient population and were very dedicated. The recruiting issue did, however, attract a certain subset of nurses who didn’t want to work and who couldn’t get jobs elsewhere. Our nursing home was very well run and we certainly didn’t keep people like that but you don’t always know that before hire. The other reason long term nursing might appeal to a problem nurse is because of a decrease in supervision. Especially on night shift she may be the only liscensed nurse on her floor. There are plenty of places to hide bottles, etc Unfortunately nurses like this unfairly discredit the many others who are hard working and sincere

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

Doctor Grande, thank you, I greatly enjoyed this video, because you make so many good points about this weird case & you provide so much information to consider. All very well done !! 👍

[@krystalized06]

This is so creepy to me because she looks like a sweet aunt or cousin who has a huge garden and knits everyone sweaters on Christmas.

[@sharonrigs7999]

She also looks like she has a dozen or so cats

[@8thhousemoonrabbit205]

She gives all the the character of a cold, dirty potato. I don't see anyone that was sweet to me, in her visage. I would have assumed something was wrong with her, socially though not murder... Something sneaky though, idk there's something very icky about her and it isn't her size... There are big women who exude warmth but she isn't it, for me.

[@christa7773]

Oooh, I had been hoping you'd cover this case! Looking forward to an interesting listen!

[@JustDr.S]

This is a terrifying story. Elizabeth killed these people, basically to deal with her anger. Sadly, there are many others like her. Dr. Grande, should you ever want to do a story like this again (but far worse) look no further than Nurse Charles Cullen. He admitted to killing 40 patients. Though, police put the number as high as 400! He worked in many different states, in many different hospitals, including the one I currently work in. I'm glad he was long gone by the time I got there. He's said to be the most prolific serial killer of this type. Of course they gave him the nickname 'Angel of Death' as they typically do. It's an interesting case. He killed some patients because they were demanding and ill tempered. That's really scary! But most he killed because he could. As in Elizabeth's case, Charles was let go by these hospitals, for other various reasons, but many of them suspected he was 'doing something to the patients', as multiple deaths occurred while he was on duty. A lot of them weren't even older people, and were NOT expected to die, at all. He did these horrible things, and he enjoyed it. He got caught because he was killing too many people. His downfall was the hospital in New Jersey. They put 2 and 2 together, and did their own investigation. Contacting his former places of employment. Those phone calls and inquiries led to him getting caught. That psychopath never would have stopped!! Gruesome. Netflix is doing a movie about him called The Good Nurse. It'll air in 2022. Would love to hear your analysis of him, before the movie comes out. 😇 (I hate being in the hospital...as a patient.) Great analysis, Dr. Grande. Interesting. 👍❤

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

EXACTLY these cases are not rare...just well hidden.....the system is set up to hide them, each state's medical board is completely separate from every other, even their reporting systems are separate, as such even if someone gets fired for killing people, all they have to do is move to another state and they can start again with no repercussions. Plus with staffing shortages, people look past suspicious stuff all the time. It is a super toxic situation

[@JustDr.S]

@@SoManyRandomRamblings Yes. I agree. They try to sweep everything under the rug for fear of lawsuits and bad publicity for the hospital. Most of these killers and abusers get away with it for years, even decades before they get caught. IF they get caught. In the case I wrote about, he was caught because 3 other nurses knew something was wrong, and wouldn't quit complaining about it. Threatened to go to the police. THEN, the hospital investigated it.

[@sarahscott771]

Southwestern Ontario REPRESENT 😀 We're so excited when you guys talk about us down there ☺️

[@nancyorkeithm1518]

Given her interview / confession comes Up almost every night on my YT auto feed I’m thrilled to see this post by Dr G!

[@roasty-]

Hello Dr. Grande. I am absolutely infatuated with your work! Would you consider making a video analyzing the mental health factors of either Steven Seagal, or Steve-O?

[@bthomson]

That word "infatuated". Told ya!

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

Steven Seagal would take such a long time because there's so much material on him... and I'd watch every minute.

[@angelagreen3642]

Ugh your voice is so soothing. It'd be cool if you could analyze the movie The Shining, to figure out if the hotel was indeed haunted or if all of them were collectively going nuts.

[@jevinday]

the video of her interrogation is so strange, definitely one of the more bizarre ones I've seen.

[@rachelreed2516]

130 complaints!!!! And she still had a license?!?! I've had exactly 0 complaints against my license. This is insane! I watched her whole confession ('cause I'm like that), and she was blatantly honest about everything, like she enjoyed the attention and wanted to get caught.

[@louiseb4854]

Enjoyable and interesting as always. Thank you for such great quality content.

[@Atarah-t9v]

She kept showing up to work under the influence of alcohol, yet nobody reported her to the state board of nursing???? Negligence everywhere !!!

[@beautyonabarnbudget]

I have been a nurse for 17 years. I have had ONE med error in those 17 years. I felt and still feel horrible over that 1 med error. How the fuq was she suspended so many times and had so many med errors, yet was still able to have her license and get jobs?

[@DomoArigatoRobot0]

Fascinating analysis, so much trust is placed in nurses. Would you please do an analysis of Genene Anne Jones, another killer nurse?

[@janedoe7229]

I’m an RN. I have 18 years nursing home experience. I’ve seen a lot. One time we had an LPN who was obviously impaired, smelled of alcohol daily and would do bizarre things. We reported it many, many times with nothing being done. She was ultimately terminated but only after years of this type of behavior going on. She was in charge of the dementia unit. That’s just one example of many.

[@bthomson]

But also many good and caring stories that don't get reported because it's just what is expected.

[@carinagomes773]

What broke the straw on the camels back?

[@janedoe7229]

@@carinagomes773 I either don’t remember or wasn’t privy to that information.

[@abelis644]

I hear you. I'm a retired RN (Canadian) I too saw atrocious things that I reported with little effect. Pisses me off to this day... Take care.

[@reneeolson4881]

Thanks again Dr. G! Just amazing! Im mind boggled at how no one turned her in! Whaaat!!!

[@Annabelle78]

This is so depressing. She represented 0.00000000009% of nurses. The rest of us take a kick in the face with a smile 💕

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

How? Is she the only one who's done things like this? I guess if you look at it a certain way, the only person any of us "represent" is ourselves.

[@Annabelle78]

@@jumpinjohnnyruss did I say she was the *ONLY* ONE?

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

@@Annabelle78 You basically said that she's one in a little over a trillion nurses if I'm counting those decimal points right.

[@Annabelle78]

@@jumpinjohnnyruss oh my god, if you think I put that number in there to mean a literal number, you’re a moron. There’s 4 million registered nurses in the US, almost 1 million LVN/LPNs and CNAs. Of those numbers and professional licenses (in the US, not around the world) how many have been convicted of murder? The number is TINY… we’ve been dragged through the mud enough this last year and a half and we’ve done it with a smile… we don’t need to be labeled as murderers…

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

"...where she murdered a 75 year old patient. They let her go after she was voluntarily admitted into a substance use treatment facility. She found another job where she was rotating through seven different facilities. She attempted to kill two more patients." Astonishing.

[@JP-wx6uh]

Wow. Just wow. That's all I can say. I've seen a documentary on this lady before. One of the craziest cases I've ever seen. Deeply disturbing.

[@aldinaatic9360]

nice plant placement as always :D the red color 👌

[@bthomson]

AA (not 3 😇) we are all given the daily gift of Dr. Grande's lovely, fun, and mesmerizing hooks!

[@BigZebraCom]

Just a reminder Dr Grande is not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about a 300lb killer nurse like this.

[@JustDr.S]

lol. Your sense of humor is a lot like Dr. Grande's!🤣

[@BigZebraCom]

@@JustDr.S Thank you! that's a hell of a compliment! :)

[@randikiki1517]

Love your channel. Now I am watching your Bella Grande Podcasts. Keep it coming. You are doing a great job!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@renee1961]

Good afternoon, Dr. Grande. I really appreciate your analysises! Thank You! Enjoy your weekend!🌞🌞🌞

[@bthomson]

Now that is a great plural!

[@renee1961]

@@bthomson hi! Thank you!lol 🌞🌞🌞

[@JessHull]

hahahh that little smirk when he said the costume joke, Dr. T almost lost it. hahahah

[@joyceyagoda4207]

Thank you for that analysis!

[@maureeningleston1501]

This case disgusts me, I'm angry that she had the opportunity to carry out these murders, again and again, but I can't understand why the people she confided in DID NOTHING........WHY?

[@Hadria7777]

Thank you Dr. Grande, another insightful analysis.

[@jamiehoover9348]

She always creeps me out when I see her .... Thank you doc

[@gazepskotzs4]

She somehow reminds me of Kathy Bates in Missery.

[@jamiehoover9348]

@@gazepskotzs4 yea she does!!!

[@kathymaree5871]

Astounding the response of the people to her confessions

[@l.w.paradis2108]

The number of people Elizabeth confessed to and did nothing tells you everything.

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

For me, it just raises more questions. What did you take from it? That she was so charismatic that no one would turn her in lest she end their friendship?

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@jumpinjohnnyruss I took from it that people are reluctant to extend themselves in favor of elderly nursing home inmates.

[@annwethenorth]

Great coverage of the case. I think she confessed to a lot of people, then blamed it on her mental illnesses. Her story is pretty wild if you deep dive. She's cold as ice. She got away with it for a really long time. Her interrogation is really interesting, it's on KZbin. She loves every minute of it. Let's just say Ontario was very happy when she was caught. Thanks 💜

[@beehungry6190]

All anyone ever learns from cases out of Canada, England, and Australia is that if you are a criminal then those are the justice systems for you!

[@d_hurl]

Dude, you gotta do a sode on Dr. Jack Kevorkian! I'm telling you- that would be a gr8 topic! Thanks Doc- LOVE your channel~

[@jackiemarsh2470]

Thank You as Always Dr.!! Great Video!!

[@kraceynuemann8533]

Never mind you already have. Tyvm for keeping these awesome videos to keep me occupied during hurricane Ida 🌀

[@abelis644]

Omg!!! How did you fare??? Just read this on Saturday Sept. 4th. I hope you're ok!!! Hugs though... from Canada.

[@danacabrera3523]

Wow! I always saw this case but never took the time to listen. Dr. Grande your voice is very soothing to listen to when I am working in my garden I enjoy listening as part of my zen time! She was truly insane! Whoa!! Mind blowing that she was a nurse! How awful!

[@popasmurf78]

I love how Dr. grande does dad jokes with a straight face

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

Thanks, Doc.

[@Imperium83]

Dr. Grande should analyze famous villains portrayed in movies, books, etc. His perspective as an author too would be very interesting.

[@yorkieluv3708]

As a nurse, I just can't comprehend the degree to which she got away with this!

[@janedmunds4218]

It would be so interesting to see her confessors interviewed about how they felt when they learned the whole story, like the part about the eight life sentences for each life she took and all.

[@megalopolis2015]

The craziest thing about this case is how many people were clued in on her horrible activities, and nobody reported it. It seems Elizabeth wasn't the only person with tendencies to escape responsibility.

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

Sadly also the medical system is also set up in such a way that it is easy to hide this stuff. All they have to do is move, none of the systems are linked, so move to a new area and it's no longer a record the employers look at.

[@theresar4617]

Dr. Dr... Gimmee the news. Thanks for the uplaod Dr. Grande.

[@theresar4617]

Thank you for my daily

[@zenawarrior7442]

They need background checks & drug testing for people working w/elderly/vulnerable. Sure her drug use caused/worsened her issues. How sad for the victims😥Thanks Dr G😊💙💙

[@MrLarrySunshine]

You absolutely Rock in red!! Had to get that out before I watch the video 😁💕

[@BenThe-nx3le]

Wasn’t surprised at the clueless responses of the women or the pastor; most ppl seem to have absolutely no sound judgments concerning ppl! Great analysis!

[@julieann6755]

❤️🌹🌶️❣️ love the red ♥️ 🌹🌶️❣️ As well as another great video!

[@lindacrandol3388]

I always learn so much from your videos. You look great in that red shirt, by the way.

[@emilyflotilla931]

Her KZbin confession is insane!

[@jonolson1965]

A distorted childhood, abusive religiosity and not being heard made for a lethal combination of unacknowledged anger, frustration and hatred. Wonder if her father thinks this is the “will of God?”

[@freethinkeralways]

Hey, Dr. Grande, At my previous job I was visiting multiple nursing homes & long term care facilities in large metropolitan city (US). I have to break it to you: there is no empathy for patients in those facilities. Most caregivers were rude to patients & behaved like they were capable of crimes you described. My kids know I would rather deteriorate at home than become institutionalized in those places.

[@j.b.7870]

Hi Dr. Grande, would you consider doing an analysis on the “David Cam” case sometime. Thanks!

[@larrymcjones]

That case is one of the most upsetting things I’ve ever heard in my life I’d definitely love to get his take as well

[@j.b.7870]

@@larrymcjones yes I agree an extremely unsettling case.

[@heatheryfeathery1]

This happened in my county. I would also love to hear Dr. Grande’s take.

[@davhot4107]

He put a heart on your comment so probably is a yes on the next video. :)

[@danbowman1536]

I would like to hear this one too. There's a fair amount of interrogation footage floating around. It's kinda a case study in terrible investigation

[@emilyhollis4231]

My first Saturday without my grandkids since last July AND an early Dr Grande video!?!? It's official..this is my lucky day! ETA a very disturbing case for me as a healthcare worker. I've been there..I've seen things and begged for action from my superiors! It wasn't murder (thank goodness!) but my coworker was doing drugs....methamphetamine, to be specific. It took almost two years but finally she was fired. (she was given the opportunity for rehab but opted for termination instead 🤷🏻‍♀️)

[@SoManyRandomRamblings]

So true...the system is not set up correctly and actually hides problems more often than fixing them.