MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 15 - Jen McCabe - Butt Dials, Calls and Google.

[@TammyMacMac]

She progressively became completely unhinged at her inability to control this situation. She kept trying to read as much of the texts ahead when handed them, to get ahead of Jackson, and kept getting flustered when he asked questions while she was trying to read them. It interrupted her thought process which is where you hear her talk about how confusing everything is to read, comprehend, and decipher. It was fascinating to watch.

[@sammurphhhhHH]

She seems straight up gleeful when the prosecutor’s objections are sustained. The look on her face when it happens makes it seem like she is happy the defense didn’t get to continue with his point. She obviously views the prosecutor as one of her flying monkeys. She should be asking herself why the prosecutor is sabotaging her and her buddies and allowing them to look absolutely terrible. He doesn’t give a shit about her he is using her to try to win the case (and even that is questionable).

[@ann5028]

Absolutely! If you’re telling the truth it shouldn’t be that exhausting.

[@Brittoezz]

It would be exhausting to me if someone is making me look guilty when I’m not. I can relate to wanting it all be very clear and not leave room for speculating.

[@ann5028]

@@Brittoezz yes….but if you’re not guilty the facts should be for you not against you

[@Brittoezz]

@Ann5080 You’re right. It’s a good thing I don’t have to witness. I fear I would be as difficult as she is being not quilty of anything.🫣😬

[@rebelsora]

For people who never "saw" what happened, they sure are hell bent on putting Karen Read away instead of "finding" out the truth.

[@ateenipeterson]

This

[@lilolmecj]

It seems the in group simply dislikes her, and once he was killed she was a convenient scape goat. She does not come across as very likable on camera. But not being likable is not a basis for a murder charge.

[@sad.jackfr00t]

@@lilolmecj I agree that at face value during the hearings and trial that she seems cold and off putting due to the fact that she has offered no emotion or facial expression (except towards her attorneys), but after seeing the two interviews she’s ever done about this case, she just seems like a normal person living a normal life with John and the kids until Jen “how long to die in the cold” and Matt “the guy” McCabe invited her to Brian “amorous butt dial” Albert’s house. It really shows just how normal of a person she is and how something like this could happen to quite literally anyone… it’s kinda scary to think about.

[@M0ther0fCats]

Because they know if its not put on Karen Read , who else would people point the finger at. The people in that house, so they have to make it be Karen.

[@Melody33812]

Karen appears cold, but I'm not sure she got to mourn his death. Plus, all her "friends" are out to pin this on her. I'd be looking hard and cold too.

[@justinmartin8637]

I know we're here because our good friend died, but what about our harassment

[@Glawnerd664]

Y’know our good friend who we LOVE, who we refer to in texts as “the guy” cos we can’t remember his name and we really couldn’t be bothered with him could we?

[@MrsWeirdAgain]

When she retorted 'i think everybody forgets our friend died' i wanted him to reply THATS why we are all here ma'am!

[@briarrose]

Theeeeee audacity of her to pull that card out at this point in the trial 🤣 😂 girl please.

[@crystalfarmer4074]

​@briarrose exactly! The defense seem to care more about John O'Keefe and his death than anyone else in this motley crew of CW witnesses that claim to be his friends and to love him. Its ridiculous.

[@ann5028]

Oh my gosh I’m glad other people noticed. The absolute petty self centered disregard for others absolutely infuriated me more than anything. “Vicious harassment” so pathetic. You know John’s family is sitting right there, right Jen? Or do you only know him as: “the guy” 🙄

[@foxymama9203]

What blows my mind is that Jen sees a dying injured man on her sister’s front lawn, calls her sister twice and gets no answer. Knowing that they usually kept their door unlocked, the FIRST thing that would cross my mind would be to go in the house immediately and make sure my sister and her family are ok!!!! Edit: Got my oil slick tumbler today and it is absolutely gorgeous!!!!! I am remodeling my house and doing all my fixtures in oil rubbed bronze and my contractor was there when I opened my tumbler. He laughed and said when I love a color story, I REALLY love it! Yep, it matches my fixtures 😂😂

[@elisastewart3541]

Very good point!

[@dr.amytanner]

That’s a great point.

[@SLO_6]

Didn't even think about that. Nor did she run in to ask for help or get blankets ect...

[@richbananas]

Wow, good point! I thought I would’ve banged on the door to get help, but yes why wouldn’t she check on her own family?

[@heartpaws519]

whoa, Whoa, oh HOLY WHOA!!!!! I never THOUGHT of that. OMG!!!! You are SO, SO RIGHT!!!!! If only you could Text this fact to the Defense team!!! 💯

[@erikah207]

Jen correcting the defense and calling Karen "erratic" pushed me over the edge. She is trying so hard to paint a specific picture of Karen and the events instead of just answering the questions honestly

[@WatchTashi]

I know!! When she said Karen asked her if she had gotten her period? She became instantly unlikable. Mean girl to the nth degree. Trying to save the day and be the one who "fixes" whatever happened to "The Guy" at the Albert's house that night.

[@itsjust_Lisa]

She can't say even one nice thing can she, the hatred is palpable.

[@Tazazak]

By what I felt like was the 20th time she reiterated that Karen was “screaming” last week, I wanted to say “put a sock in it lady!” Like who wouldn’t be freaking out that their partner was dead/dying and left in a blizzard all night?? What a vile person. She’s making a mockery and spectacle out of a man’s death and the worst moment of Karen’s life. I would not be able to cope if I was Karen.

[@ann5028]

@@WatchTashi couldn’t agree more. That boiled my blood. Just so fabricated

[@ann5028]

I’m so gutted for her. The betrayal must be intense

[@sweetmagnolia-belle9134]

All of the Alberts testified under oath that they never discussed the case with each other or any friends, etc…. The last few witnesses testified otherwise, so…many lies have been told!!!

[@InevitableSecrets]

One of the Mrs. Albert’s did say that of course they talked to each other.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@InevitableSecrets It seems only normal that people would. So, lying about it makes everything seem suspect

[@sweetmagnolia-belle9134]

@@InevitableSecrets I’m trying to remember which one.

[@hnraj9441]

​@@sweetmagnolia-belle9134 Chris's wife i think? I can't think of her name. Too many names!😅

[@maedayof3]

I think Nicole Albert is the one who said, "Of course." Anyone who says they didn't talk about it is lying through their teeth

[@cindyb7087]

Brian Albert testified that both he and his wife sleep with their phones and eyeglasses IN THE BED in case their kids call them. So Jen wants us to believe that 3 calls to them in the early morning went unanswered?? BS!!

[@InevitableSecrets]

Maybe he butt silenced both phones during his “couple time” 😅

[@Mortibella]

The number of phone anomalies this family has is staggering. They should really have a long conversation with their phone carrier.

[@noreengardner1075]

Side note.. the Alberts left the front door unlocked- odd

[@spacecadet76]

Not defending her, but you can setup DND mode with exception. Meaning you can select who's call can go thru (ie. Mom and dad) and everyone else will be blocked or silenced. For sure tho, this two families are quite shady

[@annweatherbie400]

They were all up way late, had been drinking and a blizzard was coming in. C'mon!

[@oldmanfunky4909]

Lally has done a great job turning me to the defense. He has been the defense MVP.

[@CSTeears-68]

I still Love Lally's quote, "There is no evidence of Anything in this case ❣️"

[@chrissullivan4530]

At times it has seemed like he was just going through the motions or that he had better things to do

[@CSTeears-68]

I think Lally's strategy is to confuse the jury & just give them all the evidence like a game of pick up sticks & 52 pickup & let the jury piece it together & figure out what happened - oh & his supporting attorney is willing to support Lally cause he's a good friend, but the other lawyer is not willing to ask questions or really be tied to this case.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@CSTeears-68 or his strategy is to remain in good condition with the police dept there by going forward with this case.

[@sad.jackfr00t]

@@B_BodziakHe shouldn’t put the DA’s relationship with the police above the autonomy and constitutional rights of another citizen-he *shouldn’t* but it seems like he has.

[@MissDirect]

Jen has nuked the prosecution's case IMO. Her answer to "and you didn't see the body" was "no, I wish I had"... which is EXACTLY what her husband said to that question. And she is trying to tell me that they didn't agree on what they were going to say? Sure Jen, Suuuuure. 🚨🚨🚨

[@celestehutchison709]

Also, Brian Sr used that same line for another question. All rehearsed!!

[@molliwilson5639]

This family and the witnesses so far are so choreographed.. It is like synchronized swimming …

[@hnraj9441]

I am fully convinced that at least some of them are watching the coverage and reading comments. It seems witnesses are trying hard to do things or not do things that previous witnesses have been criticized for. The girl who claimed she saw the man-sized blob when they were leaving with the mccabes called the prosecutor Lally. Not mr lally. Not the prosecutor. Lally. Someone thought it was weirdly familiar but I don't think this is familiar in the way a work or sports peer would use someone's last name as a nickname. She's too young and removed from him for that. To me, that sounds like internet reference. Now, maybe it's just her talking to her friends about him online. But there have been so many little moments where the witnesses seem to be adjusting to either internet criticism or the defense lawyers comments.

[@jay-el-bee]

I really, really, REALLY hope Dr. G Explains does some videos on Ms. Ma'am and her husband... but especially Ms. Ma'am here!

[@m.d.580]

They are a tight family,if this happens within a family, its normal that they are all going to protect themselfes as any other family would do!!!!!

[@heartpaws519]

🤯🤯🤯 I SERIOUSLY could NOT SURVIVE jenn McCabe's testimony under Mr. Jackson's questioning without EMILY'S assistance!!! Every time my blood pressure zooms, Emily comes to the rescue as my vent!!!!!!!

[@rileylynn5815]

Haha exactly!

[@sofiabreland5845]

Agree! And Jackson hasn’t even gotten to the worst parts yet…

[@anapaz8060]

❤

[@Tazazak]

⁠@@sofiabreland5845I feel like him mopping the floor with her is catharsis for all of us who have had a Jen in our lives 😂 Go Jackson 👏👏

[@silikon2]

Oddly she's not having that effect on me. Maybe because I find very silly.

[@rachelbentley9533]

I'm only 20 mins in as replay crew but Jen M. is activating my fight or flight - I feel like she's going to ask to speak to my manager at any given time.

[@bethotoole6569]

Okay.. I started to have real doubts about this case when the Boston cop,, when finding out there's a dead friend on his front lawn,,, never. Went. Outside. My husband is retired LEO. Doesn't get involved in too much.. very much live and let live. Doesn't follow any of these cases I adore. I posed the scenario to him, and asked , would you go outside?? He looked at me foolishly and snorted.. of course!!! That's it for me. The cop, learning there's a dead friend on his lawn... Never. Went. Outside... Only reason.... he knew.

[@darkangel4288]

Honestly anyone would go outside to see what’s happening on their own lawn let along knowing a known person is outside. I absolutely believe a law enforcement would be outside for sure

[@CharlieLynne-eu9dz]

Will you ask him if they would tell the 911 that the injured person on your sister's lawn is a fellow police officer? I think he would....Or would you just say "There's a man passed out in the snow."

[@bethotoole6569]

@@CharlieLynne-eu9dz No question! That would be one of the first things. Identify and that he's a cop. Units will be there faster than you can imagine !!

[@bethotoole6569]

@@darkangel4288 If nothing else.. it's freezing out. Do you guys want coffee? If you need the bathroom,, Is there anything we can do?? Not going out is too suspicious!

[@Jushumm]

@@bethotoole6569 such a great point! Especially since it was a freaking blizzard!

[@ouchiko2]

How they haven't thrown this case out yet is beyond me. The fact that the DA went ahead is absolutely amazing.

[@mxnjones]

I think they have another chance to do so after the prosecution rests, maybe? We'll see.

[@ouchiko2]

Good point. I've never seen a trial where every prosecution witness has been a better defence witness. At this point I don't even see what the defence will do after the prosecution rests.

[@RobertBatina]

Yeah, throughout most of the day, I totally forgot that it is Karen that is actually on trial. They're so far past reasonable doubt at this point, that they might as well swap some of these Alberts and McCabes into her chair.

[@B_Bodziak]

Well, it's not costing the DA anything. Taxpayers are footing his bill. Read and her parents had to spend every dime, including their retirement savings, to pay for this. I sure hope Read gets a book or movie deal out of this and gets herself and her family financially whole.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@ouchiko2 I've never seen so many prosecution witnesses be so defensive in a single case.

[@ateenipeterson]

Jen McCabe said Karen Read asked if she got her period when she saw she was covered in John’s blood which CLEARLY makes no sense?? Then she’s placed on a psych hold. Everyone said she was hysterical and distraught. So even assuming Karen said “I hit him” how do I get to her being in a sound state of mind and that being a legitimate confession???

[@CharlieLynne-eu9dz]

I totally agree...she obviously was hysterical. It's heart breaking.

[@heidikickhouse-]

​@@CharlieLynne-eu9dz Also, possibly more vulnerable to being pre-primed with suggestion in that state. No boundaries up, flooded with emotion.

[@katiehensley290]

Exactly. Even if she said, "I hit him," which I don't believe she did, it wouldn't be incriminating given the fact that she spent the whole night asking if she could have hit him and freaking out.

[@LinaLim2u]

So true

[@Nasdaqbaby]

absolute shock... if you have ever seen a dead person that you love dearly in that state you have no idea...😢😢trust me

[@gryffent]

Show me where you testified in the grand jury that Karen Read said I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. She didn’t ever say it. But she’s arguing that she is absolutely positive that Karen Read said it 100% hahahahaha. Oh my fucking god! I just can’t. This woman is unbelievable.

[@HeatherSRealEstate]

💯! This was the biggest issue uncovered with her testimony today!

[@ahuggie]

If she never said "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him!" in the grand jury- how the fuck did this get out of the grand jury?

[@gryffent]

@@ahuggie I think a lot of us are asking the same question. I keep waiting for Lally to begin his case. We are into the 4th week of the trial so when is he goi g to present a case? Where is your evidence? Tell us who, what, when, where and how we ended up with a police officer dead or near death on another cops lawn. How did the DA decide to prosecute this and how did any grand jury get to Karen Read killed him?

[@ahuggie]

@@gryffent It seems the ONLY evidence against KR is this testimony! It is the only thing I have heard so far that would even make KR a suspect.

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

@@ahuggieexactly, how did we get here?🐐🐐🐐💜

[@acousticprojekt]

Jen is so unlikable, unbelievable, and just shady I wonder what the jury thinks. I for one am exhausted by the prosecutions case at this point which may be making her more hostile to me than she actually is so I wonder how it's coming across to them

[@B_Bodziak]

I agree. She seems like the neighborhood busybody. The one who stirs the pot and then stands back while others go at it.

[@dawnnethayer8958]

I have heard nothing from either side. That would lead me to believe that karen did anything

[@anapaz8060]

It's such a shame how JM is presenting. She is going to regret this.

[@danielearnshaw2221]

She was an amazing witness. The defense is ludicrous. I hope the jurors aren’t intimidated by the protesters outside courthouse or online bullies.

[@Turtle22124]

​@@danielearnshaw2221?? what trial are you watching? she is arguing about everything. She is lying about almost everything including the stupidist stuff. Defense is bringing up so much and you can see her head spinning making up stories!!

[@Galloway278]

The butt dial thing-- that’s a crock of crap! No way that’s the truth! She is clearly hiding something here.

[@annamelvina216]

7 times?? How does that happen?? I need a play by play of exactly what she was doing for each butt dial. It's absolutely absurd.

[@Galloway278]

@@annamelvina216 totally absurd. Can’t wait to hear more about this witness. Something’s fishy.

[@CellFarm]

Maybe she was trying to break a bar of toffee in her back pocket?

[@FlyingTeaRex]

I have accidentally called my mom in the middle of the night due to glitchy headphones that activated random functions when jostled too much. Once, in five years. That’s an accidental call. 7 “buttdials” in 20 minutes, that’s just a lie.

[@Galloway278]

@@FlyingTeaRex I’ve never butt dialed. My son butt dialed me once and my mom dialed me once. Ever. lol

[@Bobbi_Costa]

Oh my word, she is being so careful with every answer, it is coming out as very defensive. The McAlberts chose the wrong spokesperson for the family story. 😬

[@mariusweber4990]

Yeah, this very much felt like a defendant on the witness stand. I don't remember the exact line, but when she repeatedly said something along the lines of "We were in a state of shock" instead of answering the questions she was asked, that was the deciding moment for me. No uninvolved, innocent witness answers like that.

[@MrsKS1999]

I want a judge Judy moment..”don’t try to outsmart me. Just answer the question, yes or no. You have no idea where I’m going with this. If you think you’re trying to anticipate where I’m going with this you’ll be very sorry.”

[@kristin1227]

Yes!!!!!

[@jay-el-bee]

Yes! My favorite is when she says, "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true. "

[@nikoletakonstantaki5068]

I can literally hear her voice lol

[@XtraSpirit]

Another Judge Judy classic “don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining” 😂

[@scruff3760]

@@XtraSpirit😂😂😂😂

[@KatAdVictoriam]

This was incredibly frustrating to watch at times. It was clear that Jen McCabe was waiting to counter anything Jackson said, attempting to get ahead of him, attempting to outsmart, and it was so obvious! None of that comes off as honest, or genuine. When someone is so visibly defensive, rather than willing to hear the question and answer truthfully, you can see they're trying to control the questioning and narrative. Jen is a controlling person imo, and watching this as a "juror" at home, she is highly unlikable and not very trustworthy. Her comments about a timeline, having the facts, listening in on other people, changing up her answers repeatedly - She's a manipulator and has no credibility. Lally acts like he doesn't even want to be there. This has been bugging me, more and more. There is zero passion or enthusiasm or seeming interest whatsoever, he's just on autopilot or something. For a DA/Prosecutor who should be passionate about getting to the truth and bringing justice - He sure acts like someone who knows they shouldn't even be there. Today was something else! Very riveting.

[@SusanHigginbotham-o3b]

I think Lally feels DA is putting him under the bus. Lally is so over his head. Remember Elaine from Amber Heard up against Camile Vasquez. No chance

[@annamelvina216]

Never thought I'd come into this case feeling bad for the prosecutor, but here I am. I think he knows a lot of his witnesses are full of it. I really don't know why he'd do so little prep otherwise.

[@maureenfrancis8902]

Lally reminds me of Eeyore 😂

[@JessLopez0509]

@@maureenfrancis8902 oh my gosh, yes!

[@dunkinqueen2831]

@@annamelvina216I think they were confident until the feds turned over the phone records a couple of weeks before the trial started. They didn’t know the defense would have access to the actual phone records. Without those phone records these witnesses would seem much more credible and likable. Lally probaby thought they would win but he very likely can’t now because all of his witnesses were lying to him and he didn’t know until recently.

[@dasto1019]

Her saying repeatedly that she was answering the question she was asked...while never answering the question Jackson asked her is cracking me up

[@annyfyreagle7973]

The IRONY!

[@aTwistedSista]

THANK YOU! Seriously! OMfg!!!!

[@katiehensley290]

Omg I didn't even pick up on that. That's hilarious!

[@NadiaVegaYT]

JM strikes me as someone who’s always inserting herself in everyone’s business. The one who knows too much. Her demeanor today was quite combative. She’s very unlikable.

[@Sacgirl03]

I was thinks the same thing as I was watching. She seems like someone who is in everyone’s business & loves the drama !!

[@marsy1480]

The batting of eyelids! 🙈

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

That’s usually what most (not all) SAHM are. JM is the national enquirer of canton IMO 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@AngelEowyn]

I am so glad you said this. I hate to make assumptions and speculations before gathering all the facts about somebody, but sometimes you do get a vibe from someone when watching them for hours. She reminded me of Amber Heard where she would vehemently deny facts that are already established (police reports vs donate/pledge etc), and the way she would whip her head around to face the jury on specific points. I pegged her as the village gossip mongerer with a tendency to speak bad of others too quickly while maintaining an innocent stance , so pretty much the same as what you said, so thank you for that confirmation.

[@_Its.Just.Felix_]

She's a Karen 😂

[@jasl9987]

In my personal opinion the way Alan Jackson does his cross is masterful! He is a Rockstar.

[@hms325]

Love him!!

[@dr.amytanner]

Same! I absolutely love his tone and questions.

[@cattoes1609]

Absolute master class.

[@jasl9987]

​@@cattoes1609it really is!

[@itsjust_Lisa]

He's truly brilliant.

[@AccountabilityMatters]

Jen is the example of someone who has gotten their way and has controlled others for years.

[@hnraj9441]

Absolutely

[@cindorella1495]

This is the only thing that makes me feel bad for her husband. He seems like an honest person and is probably only defending her because he fears something might happen to him, too. He has become what they call a narcissist'd flying monkey out of survival. The daughter too

[@ravenzyblack]

The same for Brian Albert. He is the head of the Albert family, the oldest brother probably who dictated to everybody else. Between those two people, the rest of the family would fall in line. It’s like a mobster’s family.

[@waitaminute2015]

For someone who couldn't WAIT to tell how Karen said I hit him 3 times, she certainly held it back for 2 yrs and 12 times before.

[@crystalfarmer4074]

Not to mention how "it's something I will never forget" meanwhile forgetting it for 2+ years and through multiple retellings. She is despicable and in my opinion totally and completely 1000% not believable and not credible.

[@shkrjam84]

@@crystalfarmer4074and cares so much about her friend that’s dead, and she was sleuthing and they were trying to put the pieces together…and she doesn’t mention once a pretty big piece… yeah, sure, Jan.

[@colleenbouyea-essency8864]

If you tell the truth you don't have to remind yourself about what you've testified to.

[@randamgrrl]

I can understand after several grand juries that these people are on the offense. I get wanting to not have words twisted, but she is soooo evasive it's off putting.

[@For.The.SHIRE2713]

Ding ding ding

[@maritzapierreaponte8538]

The source of the "story"/"evidence" is Jennifer McCabe!!! A gossipy fibber🤨

[@DyslecticAttack]

Also worth noting, she had chance upon chance upon chance to relay the "I hit him! I hit him! I hit him!" to the police, yet didn't. Didn't in the interviews, didn't in any occasion she saw them privately after, and didn't in the grand jury. But now 2,5 years later she wants the jury to know that she's 100% of the fact that it was said again and again and again in front of groups of police officers and groups of EMT's. And she was about as calm as movie Dumbledore when "saying" it directly to the jury.

[@lizzimmermann7164]

I feel like fibber is quite gracious.

[@louem2491]

I’ll eat my hat if she didn’t play a huge part in Officer O’Keefe’s murder

[@Tazazak]

@@louem2491or at the very least the cover up

[@maritzapierreaponte8538]

@@louem2491 Not sure I'll go that far.....but besides Colin's mom I see her being a plotter, a strong big mouth "go getter". They pegged her as an investigator and that has absolutely been proven Tuesday 21 May and Friday 17th🙄

[@ErinStudio]

Her answer about where Allie went when she got home was strange. "She went nowhere." It just doesn't make sense. It brings me back to her husband's testimony of, "I saw nothing." It's a deceptive answering technique. You can't see nothing, you can't go nowhere. You can't look at the car outside and not see what's in front of it as well. They're so evasive about a lot of things and it's baffling.

[@Rain_Reign]

I agree. Them being evasive about the exact same thing, something that should be innocent if there’s nothing to hide, feels especially sus.

[@tartnouveau3652]

It reminds me of Colin Albert’s parents testifying the dad went directly to bed from the front door 🤔

[@maureenfrancis8902]

For a family with nothing to hide they are awfully defensive and evasive.

[@alicerose7099]

Vb

[@Lisa_leelee]

If she says lose someone you live one more time I’ll vomit!? He was THAT Guy!

[@NeuroJ12]

Wow JM is “that” lady. We all know her. She’s the one who knows more, her kids are perfect, knows everyone’s business and can’t wait to put her spin on the gossip but when she is confronted she becomes hostile, flabbergasted, and condescending.

[@selinesbeau]

Oh my word, she's the KAREN in the Karen Read trial....

[@kerim7469]

The QUEEN BEE OF CANTON. THE original mean girl. You’re absolutely right! How dare you not believe my lies!!!

[@erimc1981]

I grew up with a girl just like her. She is same at 43 as she was at 14 bossy, know it all. Puts her spin on everything, gossips and says "you didnt hear this from me" Also says " you know me, I would never lie" then lies like a rug.

[@NeuroJ12]

@@erimc1981 EXACTLY!! That’s a perfect way to describe those people.

[@lauraemerson7900]

It seems so implausible that Karen Read was screaming so loudly outside the McCabe house that they were worried she would wake the whole street but no one at the Albert’s house was awoken by her screams?

[@007nadineL]

Hungover Drugs? Dead tired Dead asleep Very little sleep Snow muffles sounds Loud Trains for decades in their backyard

[@whyamiheredlb]

@@007nadineLyou could hear her screaming from the cop car before he even got to the house! 😂

[@ateenipeterson]

I came into this case being like “a police conspiracy? Um sure” and assuming Karen was likely guilty. Then I watched the case and holy shit I’m team Karen. Defense could do nothing on their case in chief and I’d be like yup innocent.

[@cath1895]

Or ‘not guilty’ to be accurate.

[@kerim7469]

This is the quintessential Queen Bee. She is the ultimate mean girl. And all I can think is she’s thinking “how dare you not believe the lies I’m telling you”

[@taylorswhatifs]

Jen McCabe looks at the jury when she lies

[@kellyobrien7749]

And when she professes her honest nature LOL

[@lindaleighton]

Exactly, she always looks over to them when she knows she's saying something strange or inconsistent. They all seem so suspicious.

[@frsmith5069]

Yes she does. It is the "Amber Heard" manner of testifying - if I look at you I can convince you that what I'm saying is not total BS...

[@KatAdVictoriam]

Amber Heard was always very deliberate about giving an affirmative answer and looking directly at the jury. It immediately makes me distrust what is being said!

[@Annie-yg6eg]

Absolutely not!! is a lie every time.

[@cyndib511]

The thing that stands out the most to me is how all the McCabes and Alberts stories have evolved. There are more details now than there were in the grand jury May 2022, which had more detail than Jan 29th interview with police. Its also obvious how calm and concise neutral friends of John OKeefe were during their testimony, and how all the "family" seems to ramble and embellish and over explain everything.

[@missc3535]

Jen McCabe's inability to answer yes or no questions hurts my brain.

[@elysef9303]

EDB to correct something for you, the defense tried to admit the context text, prosecution objected and Judge C upheld. So the state is the one refusing text context, not the defense. Love you! 💜👍

[@PlsDrea]

That's interesting I wonder why they objected!

[@Mortibella]

Possibly hearsay. And then when the context came out, it made the defense look bad. Sounds like strategy to me.

[@Grace-qe9xj]

i know only what this trial / trial coverage has shown. i don’t assume to know if karen is guilty, but i can say that this witness makes me trust NONE of these people. she seems evasive, defensive and almost on the offensive for the CW. she’s doing so much communication with everyone while the investigation was happening, either she’s just nosey or she’s trying to have control over everyone to ensure that they “pieced it together” as a group instead of all telling the truth.

[@B_Bodziak]

With the exception of some of the professionals (EMTs, etc), They all seem that way to me.

[@hnraj9441]

​@@B_Bodziak the kolokithies (i am positive I spelled that wrong) were believable. Obviously John's family who testified. Brian Albert jr seemed less manipulative overall. I had some sympathy for him. But everyone else has seemed like they were hiding things or worse.

[@TheNoonish]

She was trying to play detective, and she’s not ready to be cross examined like a detective.

[@atk88]

The audio of that morning is so chilling with the windshield wipers. It sounds like a heartbeat.

[@Camiken65]

OMG Does this woman not realize how the jury is going to perceive her? People who cannot answer yes or no and need to constantly add details and elaborate are typically not truthful! Her arguing is sinking her.

[@Tinkerbug]

I truly wonder what John's mother thinks about this evasive answering, the failing to provide information unless she was directly asked that very specific question... I would be absolutely disgusted that she'd lied by omission and hindered the investigation, let alone suddenly changed my story... Jen has been all up in the O'Keefes business ever since, and they are now seeing a completely different person... JM is the very essence of "reasonable doubt" and now it's impossible to believe anything she's said because how do we know what is truthfully what happened... how???

[@melissas701]

I got my cop friend from HS watching this on EDB one day now he’s hooked on EDB ☺️ I’ve been hooked since Depp v Heard

[@selinesbeau]

What's his take on this?

[@emmablackwood2303]

Me tooooo!

[@melissas701]

@@selinesbeau he thinks she is framed but not by everyone by a small portion who used the incompetence of others to commit said frame job

[@stephanietucceri6856]

She wants to talk a lot today and explain things but for the grand jury “she wasn’t asked”

[@sallycinnamon5370]

It’s just weird when the question was “what did she say i front of the female EMT?” That was obviously design to elicit “I hit him, I hit him, I hit him.” The fact that it didn’t makes me think that she is lying.

[@lynnew1027]

I am from MA and have law enforcement in the family. Cannot believe how bad a reflection this is on the good ones. Do not understand why judge did not recuse herself. How was this allowed. And how can this case continue to go on? Do not understand so much.

[@jmc-xp6ml]

Was she an Aunt, or Great Aunt to John?

[@M11969]

You are not alone in your confusion.

[@jumbolumps666]

Baby, this is the norm for LEOs

[@elisastewart3541]

I've learned a thing or two in recent years, dealing directly with LEO's and other government entities and while the behavior in this prosecution (persecution?) doesn't surprise me, it's shocking that it's THIS horrific. It saddens me for our country.

[@randamgrrl]

​@@jumbolumps666 I'm sorry for whatever experience gives you that opinion. There are good ones out there, I promise.

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

I’m rewatching this. HOW, how, how, HOW; can there be anyone on that jury who is thinking anything but not guilty after watching this? How? HOS?

[@TXN4JC]

Nice

[@crystalfarmer4074]

Exactly! I so wish just 1 person from that jury would speak out and explain what exactly it was that 9 people in that room had morals so strong that they could not see the very clear reasonable doubt.

[@frsmith5069]

1:18 in John's mom, Mrs. O'Keefe is staring down Jen McCabe as she realizes McCabe is claiming to have looked out the window 6 times and somehow didn't manage to see John O'Keefe at ANY point when he still would have been alive.... but Jen McCabe "wishes" she would have been able to see John O'Keefe somehow from her good and fair view of the front of the house. This case is shameful ...

[@Lisa_leelee]

And she was calling him. Knew the are out there and forgot to look! She clearly had it out for Karen…. I would not be surprised if they cracked the tail light themselves… pure vitriol’ for hate bud sickening

[@Mirandajane84]

I can’t imagine how difficult this is for John’s family 😢

[@frsmith5069]

@@Lisa_leelee Entirely possible. This case is so difficult to watch in some ways.

[@myquest666420]

@@Mirandajane84John’s family loves Jen McCabe

[@MissG85]

Every time this lady says “absolutely not” what she means is.. “yep”. Jen comes off extremely bad in this cross - and I haven’t even got to the Google search cross yet. 😱 If you have nothing to hide lady, then you can’t act like this - behavior very off putting and looks super sus.

[@Ale.p10]

That butt must have some serious skills for it to call and end the call multiple times in a row.

[@cleopatra444]

these coments are gold 😂😂😂😂😭😭⚰️

[@phoenixryzen-qm1br]

Too funny

[@niccoleblackstock3628]

This lady bugs me. “A friend we lost and loved”. Aka “THAT GUY!”

[@cyndib511]

And her calm 911 call " there's a man passed out in the snow".

[@PatMcAnn]

This is masterful. How could the prosecutor bring this case?!?!? And I can't wait until the Bodylanguage guys get ahold of this footage! The blink rate; the tight lips; the sarcasm; the furtive glances, and change in tone and combativeness...

[@heartfull92]

Her nodding yes when she says “absolutely not” is something 😳

[@melnee]

The dry mouth ...all the "key" players have been super thirsty

[@SLO_6]

IMO JM's whole tone, facial expressions, and body language speaks volumes to her NOT being honest. Anybody that has absolutely nothing to hide wouldn't be getting SO defensive. To say that she considered Karen & John "friends" I'm frightened for how she would treat an enemy!!!!

[@SLO_6]

AND JM wasn't being this difficult to get a straight answer on Friday with Lally!!!!!!!!!

[@mini_skinny0296]

I think nobody ever questioned their stories or gossips. They just said whatever they wanted. And now these bloody lawyers try to make them look bad, and question their narrative.

[@sofiabreland5845]

@@mini_skinny0296that’s exactly what I was thinking… I’ve come across quite a few “Jens” through the years and I sure wish I had had Jackson in my corner bringing the receipts and not letting them gaslight everyone.

[@SLO_6]

The way JM looks directly at the jury which I believe has been a total of 3 times now is JM's biggest lies that she's hoping by her looking at them will somehow ring more true!

[@randamgrrl]

​@SLO_6 so she learned NOTHING from Amber Heard? 😂

[@mxnjones]

Rewatching...because I am hella confused. Emily, help! I don't know what to think! Jen McCabe is super defensive...the coldness toward Karen Read and John OKeefe from all of these witnesses is absolutely astounding.

[@B_Bodziak]

I'm sure they're blaming her for the backlash they've received, but from watching them testify, they all seem shady to me. They're too defensive, even with simple questions.

[@pistolpete8231]

What is there to be confused about?

[@mxnjones]

@@pistolpete8231 I don’t think that either the defense or the prosecution has a straightforward case, as presented thus far. All of these so called butt dials, a questionable timeline…I’m waiting for the cell phone forensics, medical examiner and/or coroner. I feel like we are way too far in the weeds with these civilian witnesses.

[@pistolpete8231]

@mxnjones Then you're just naturally blind. I say that respectfully. How a sane person can even compare the defence's case to the trainwreck of a prosecution's case is beyond me. Have a good day. Just a matter of time until proctor gets exposed.

[@mxnjones]

@@B_Bodziak If everyone is trying to figure out the truth of what happened, then why be defensive? Jen said several times that she was trying to figure out what happened to her friend John OKeefe; how is her defensiveness helpful?

[@nellyvieira9496]

The Feds are investigating the investigators. They have provided exculpatory evidence to the defense and prosecution. Defense is and will be using some of that evidence in this trial to prove Karen did not hit John with her SUV. 3 PHd's hired by the feds have already confirmed John was not hit by the SUV and the SUV did not hit John. So there's that. Funny thing is, judge also has all this evidence and REFUSED to dismiss this case which is just mind blowing.

[@CosmicWaffles1229]

Would love to see some of the source material on this. Provided the judge has the info, it's nuts it hasn't been dismissed! 😊 ***Edit** Sorry if the information has already been provided and I missed it.

[@anamaya6706]

Maybe she is doing to let prosecution do their walk of shame

[@Dynomite132010]

Judge is family of either the McCabes or Albert's. She refused to recuse herself

[@cleopatra444]

@@Dynomite132010if she s family now i know why i find her shady , is like Karen is against the world in all this , not surprised of the amount of corruption though 👀

[@timroberts6695]

Well they do call her auntie

[@elainejohnson6955]

If there is a dead guy on the lawn and no one is coming out of the house, the dog isn't barking, and their phones weren't being answered... I would be really worried that something really bad happened to the people and dog inside the house!

[@Ashgypnell]

This! 💯 percent Facts. I think that would be where anyone’s mind would go in a scary time like that if they had no knowledge of what happened and why/how the person in the yard ended up the way they did.

[@lindsayw4308]

I'm very late to all this, but that is a really interesting point!

[@sassyme6208]

It's almost like Jackson has a running game of " use the word" in the trial. Someone told him to use the word "alligator" , and he nailed it 😁😂🤣

[@thedognose7359]

I thought the alligator choice was because it was a similar visual effect as a fallen person lying on the ground. I prefer the ‘use the word’ idea though 🤣

[@Christen_w_a_C]

Every time she looks to the jury while she’s trying to rehabilitate herself, I get these massive Amber Heard vibes

[@ambergerber5162]

Me too and we all know how well that went for Amber. 😂

[@AliceM6192]

If Karen was so irrational and frantic, to the point that she asked if the blood was her menstrual cycle, why are her statements take as anything other than someone in a near psychotic state? I'm asking from a legal sense

[@erikah207]

Right ??

[@vee5294]

It was suggested to her by Jen that the blood could have been menstrual blood.

[@ProfoundConversation]

I think you misunderstood that. Jen reported that Karen asked if the blood on her hands could have been because she got her period, and Jen said she told her no, she didn't get her period.

[@mesmith3379]

That’s what Jen wants you to believe!!!

[@NicoleCamp88]

My thoughts exactly.

[@ginaaswell1387]

I love the range of comments. I am still firmly in the, “I have no idea what happened” column. I am waiting on the technical data and ME. Wish we could get there this week at least.

[@hnraj9441]

I am pretty solidly on one side of the fence at this point but I am still watching and waiting for the experts too in case there is something definitive that can change my mind. It's getting harder and harder to imagine what that could be.

[@kerim7469]

“ pearl clutchingly appalled” that’s great. I’m using that. Don’t know when it will come up in conversation but when it does…😂

[@deem8123]

I left New York because of people like Jen McCabe

[@hansingleton]

I use 'cracked' and 'smashed into 45 pieces' synonymously

[@Ashgypnell]

😂🤣😂 👏 👏 👏 This comment deserves all the likes.

[@Cal-c-u-later]

🤣🤣🤣

[@lindajohnson7675]

If they were trying so hard to figure out what happened, Why did they not include Karen in their discussions. She was the one who dropped him off........

[@dunkinqueen2831]

Why would they need to figure out what happened if he didn’t come inside and Karen said she hit him? If that’s what happened that what is there to figure out?

[@hnraj9441]

​@@dunkinqueen2831 very good point

[@ScoundrelDaysSon]

​@@dunkinqueen2831I mean: given that initially they said she had said 'I think I hit him/did I hit him' this group of self insert wine mom's would absolutely have initially included her. Not least because they'd have absolutely enjoyed getting her to begin giving evidence likely to incriminate herself in the long run - McCabe enjoys being involved and maintaining a level of control and I can't believe this is the one incident where she'd have been able to avoid doing so. Bear in mind Karen was the*only* one that Jen McCabe didn't bother with at all - everyone else was drawn in as close as possible. Them *all* freezing her out completely, despite being so devestated at the loss of 'the guy', so concerned with the children, and being friendly with her is - to me - quite telling.

[@barbarabannasch3458]

Thank you so much Emily D Baker and mods! Have a great day everyone 👋

[@lsen9015]

Jen McCabe is coming off as very untruthful. I think the judge is not calling out Jackson for his questions because of her attitude.

[@charyaka]

Looking for the "And you listened 'on and on and on' like you do" Emily's reaction is GOLD

[@Melody-st4df]

I would Not be able to watch this case WITHOUT your commentary Emily!!

[@MissG85]

OMG it just gets worse and worse.. so Carrie, who you didn’t even have the phone number for the day before, you are now, the day after the death of O’Keefe, together with Carrie, to drop off her daughter at Lenk’s house, where the two of you ladies stays for 45 minutes and you used the bathroom.. 🤯 I really refused a cover up story, but Jen has got me fully believing that some kind of conspiracy and cover up is happening. But seriously.. many butt dials, deleted calls, mysterious calls answered, but not answered, going over timelines, reporting to the inner circle what to say and Carries testimony.. and that is just a little bit, of just Jen’s cross.. I’m at a loss for words.. but, will leave it with Jen’s testimony “we have the facts”, and “we just needed the police to ‘do their job’”. 😳

[@childtimematters513]

They are protecting Brian Higgins.

[@SLO_6]

Man oh man I can't wait for the outcome of the federal investigation!!!!

[@hnraj9441]

Seriously. I need them to get that done! I need to know the real story!

[@TXN4JC]

Start bringing up charges and someone will remember seeing a body in the yard

[@tikamystique434]

At this point I believe that Attorney Lally is actually working for the defense team undercover, cause there’s NO WAY he’s dropping the ball like this!

[@goldenopal1540]

I’m curious what the relationship is like between the top leadership of this DA’s office and the local law enforcement agencies. It feels like the DA is trying to air LE’s dirty laundry on court record via this trial against Ms Reed. Otherwise I am baffled at why this case was pursued. I could see these important families putting the pressure on them to allow an avenue to get their side out there. But the DAs have to know that any testimony is actually throwing more bait in the water for “the internet” to chew on. And will only intensify that problem. This trial feels like watching a boring irl version of the TV show The Wire.

[@Freeze_Frame_Pan_Out]

Omg, her arrogance is appalling. Can you give me a minute? I need to correct that guy! Because you know… I know everything.

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

To the woman who told EDB to not pick sides. It’s hard to not pick sides when we are in week 4 of a 6-8 week trial, and the prosecution has brought next to nothing. The only notable thing the prosecution brought us is Karen allegedly saying “I hit him,” which the defense has done an excellent job disputing and raising doubt.

[@selinesbeau]

I came in cold and the PROSECUTION'S case convinced me she didn't do it.

[@sjlar1981]

JM “I’ve had many grand jury’s, please can I see the reports” Even if you have 50 grand jury’s the truth & facts are still the facts right? 👀

[@aidab7258]

McCabe.." we didn't use text because my kids go through my phone" Maury Povich said, " now that was a lie."

[@lucyt7229]

Right?! What parent lets their kids go through their phone…and for what purpose exactly?? Also, funny that she’s worried the kids might see some emotionally damaging text, but is happy to eat dinner with them as they all listen to Kerri give “horrific” details over a phone interview to the police about the incident?? Someone make it make sense!

[@LovetheLed]

How old are your kids that they don’t use their own phones?

[@junkmail420]

3:04:59 I think the part Emily is misunderstanding about why the text messages regarding news channel 4 are so sus and important to the defense is because during Matt's testimony he implied that the news crew was there specifically to harass them. But in full context (from the txt msgs) they were only in there eating and not there for a story from them. Julie says News Channel 4 is at the pizza place and then Matt responds with "Eating I assume, ask Chris to ask some questions tell them the guy never went into the house." They approached the news crew not the other way around. I believe it was because they wanted to get their narrative out there. Which is completely suspicious because it was only a day or so after John was found so why would they need to get that narrative out there if they had nothing to do with his John's death and it seems at that point nobody had even suspected any foul play from the Albert's.

[@SonjaHamburg]

Oh yes. That is deely suspicious.

[@evilqueenyiayia]

In Massachusetts we call Jen McCabes Fish wives. She's a perfect example. 😂

[@bobg2092]

What’s that mean?

[@evilqueenyiayia]

@@bobg2092 A Woman who's a busybody, in everyone's business. Can be nasty. I think it started historically with fish mongers at the docks. JIMO

[@Bobbi_Costa]

I agree 💯. Her name comes up in every situation.

[@marymaclaren9553]

@@evilqueenyiayia Which explains why she had absolutely no problem in mentioning she was taking notes at that initial interview with Lank at the Albert house that first morning. I mean, doesn't everybody take notes when being interviewed by a cop? With your friends? To keep your stories straight?

[@samkennedy5554]

That’s a very British saying, I see a lot of British/Irish vocab with this region as someone watching from Liverpool, England. We also have a huge Irish history ☘️

[@Sacgirl03]

I’d love to see what that group text looks like tonight after Jen McCabe’s cross!!

[@TXN4JC]

Now you know they can’t text too freely bc their full-grown and teenage children use their parents phones.

[@andreacollins3204]

This is why at 44 my friends are my husband my sons and my dog. Life is too short to be hated and judged by so called friends. I was burned so many times that now I’m the one that has no time for them. ❤️

[@skdeaks]

With friends like these who needs enemies…

[@GenXGamerGirl]

Karen choose poor friends. I have never seen such a collection of witnesses that I have despised so much. Everyone is either conveniently forgetful, deliberately obtuse or just argumentative about the questions.

[@elisastewart3541]

They weren't her friends. She was just the girlfriend of the cop who was buddies with a couple of these people who were also cops.

[@l-train7876]

You realize these people weren’t friends with Karen, right?

[@pavlinafilakova3414]

These people are not her friends. They didn't know her at all. To them, she was their ' buddy's' girlfriend whom they have decided to throw under the bus. 🤨

[@astrialindah2773]

Karen didn't choose any of these people as friends 🙄

[@missmishka8379]

I got my oilslick tumbler & that package was locked down tighter & safer than Fort Knox. Love the purple box it was shipped in. No tape was spared to seal the package, but I was able to peel it all off so I can keep the box. If only Canton PD handled evidence with such care & security

[@edvermillion1611]

This is what kind of crossed my mind after Friday's testimony from Jen. The thing of Karen saying she hit him maybe was possibly started by Jen suggesting to Karen she might have hit him and asking her if she did because we haven't heard anything about her thinking or stating th at until she had been talking with Jen and Roberts.

[@dunkinqueen2831]

I think this is exactly what happened. Karen wakes up, is worried John isn’t home, called Jen because she knows she left him at the house with them. Jen (knowing he is already dead on the lawn) tells her he never made it inside the house. Karen must have been confused and thought about what could have happened if she dropped him off and Jen never saw him. Jen then continently says something like ‘it was dark, we were drinking, the weather was bad. Do you think maybe you hit him with your car as you were pulling away so he never made it inside’. Then Karen freaks out thinking “Holy shit! I was drunk I don’t remember hitting him but could I have hit him? “ that makes the most sense to me. I think the reason its morphed into “I hit him” is because Jen and crew don’t want there to be a question about why Karen was asking if she hit him. They need her to have come up with “ I hit him!” on her own which removes their involvement from that story.

[@TXN4JC]

I also believe Jen planted the idea.

[@Bria_001]

Ooof Jen came off as hostile and evasive. No surprise if Karen walks and truly, she deserves to at this point

[@slandry99]

Rewatching this now cause first time I watched it while working. It's so much worse when I'm paying 100% attention 😂

[@smilely771]

She’s hilarious 🤣 I’m rewatching some days, and shes the one that goes on and on and never shuts up. Kerri seemed so much calmer when she was on the stand.

[@karencox1613]

Re-play here. As a sit at home juror, she strikes me as "The School Bully" it is my way or no way. If you tell the truth, with a tradegy like this, you would remember. If JO was really a friend, she would have gone outside to see why they were not coming in. If I remember, I believe that the driver of the truck said the Jeep was there. I will have to go back as I have not taken notes. Since only half day she will have time to talk with family about what else she will be asked and what to say. When she says she talked to no one tonight, IMO will be a lie. See everyone Wed.

[@mini_skinny0296]

To me it seemed she acted sometimes like a teenager, having a quarrel with her schoolmates. She was some beauty queen in high school and she didn't evolve too much from that glorious times.

[@msjulsfl]

Friends like her😂😢

[@carlamabry6944]

She was too busy getting drunk to care about her kids! Then begging young girls to stay at the house to keep drinking!

[@missylynns8966]

Why do I get the sense from Jen McCabe that she wasn’t really ‘friends’ with John O’Keefe? She comes off super disconnected almost as if she hates the guy, or never liked him, one of those two 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@B_Bodziak]

Most of them have come off as though they didn't care for him. It makes me wonder if they had talked about him and what they'd like to do to him and saw their chance when he walked into the house alone. It's just totally unbelievable that detectives wouldn't process the inside of the home when a dead man was found just outside.

[@noeleen5250]

Really? I thought her over interest in him was because she had the hots for him and she is spitting bile that Karen Read got him.

[@francescawilliams8177]

She doesn’t seem to stop slagging Kerry Roberts either about being a talker

[@ashleyr.6953]

Interesting, I had the complete opposite impression. She seems to have a had a thing for him. Calling and texting him over and over, even private conversations before he was killed. She never once communicated with KR, only JO. And she said she loved him. This testimony made me think she may not know what happened, but she indeed is going along with anything to cast blame on KR, because to me, she seems to really hate KR.

[@missylynns8966]

It is possible he was being set up and that’s why she was obsessively texting him (trying to control the narrative) she has exhibited very controlling behavior in her testimony after the incident. Also it’s possible she did like him or they were friends but in order to distance herself from his murder, the whole gang has turned on him and she is perhaps married to one of the perps.

[@LuvLight13]

This is SAD. This should NOT be happening. This WHOLE trial!!!!!!!!

[@Alana2U]

I cannot imagine sleeping through anyone screaming like that in my front yard. Also, for the short term calls: Jen: Calls sister Sister: Go away we are not here Jen: Calls sister again Sister: STOP CALLING we can see out window

[@WickedWitchOfOz1]

It bothers me when the witnesses state "I got home and went straight to bed", who goes straight to bed after a night of drinking with a full bladder? Brushing your teeth while drunk/drank a couple is not a huge concern but your full bladder definitely is...

[@barbaral743]

Not to support these nasty people in any way, but I'd include using the bathroom , brushing teeth, washing face as part of going straight to bed

[@sammurphhhhHH]

I thought the same thing especially because a bunch of them lobbied so hard to get pizza and they didn’t get pizza.. and no one has testified to having anything but alcohol at the Albert’s after party. They mean to tell me they drank all night after many people had really long days and NO ONE even made a tiny pit stop in the kitchen to bring a snack into bed with them while they unwind? Totally unrealistic. Brian Albert for example, is a middle aged man who traveled, went to a funeral, traveled again, went out to the bar when he didn’t want to, then had an after party at his house, AND hooked up with his wife, and didn’t get a tiny bit hungry or thirsty? I am in my 30s and wouldn’t have been able to do all that on an empty stomach

[@cynthiamathews8604]

Not to mention that her Apple watch shows her pacing around all night!

[@WickedWitchOfOz1]

@@barbaral743 that's fair but under this circumstance... it's a little odd they won't give details as to exactly what they did and where they were while being asked to. It seems like they have something to hide, but that's just my opinion. Every single one (the ones directly involved in the scene) said they immediately went to bed.

[@jenjacobs3894]

Sometimes I’ve been so drunk, I’ve walked in fell in the bed and was out… but according to them they weren’t “that” drunk.

[@cattoes1609]

1:39:03 Did the witness just give Allen Jackson permission to approach?? Who's court room is it Bev❓️

[@TammyMacMac]

Lol. I caught that. You didn't know she was in charge of the whole court? 😂

[@cattoes1609]

@@TammyMacMac 🤣

[@theresamoore2500]

Lord have mercy! Does she think she can outsmart Jackson?

[@mione134]

She's trying her best. But her lies have caught up to her.

[@Bobbi_Costa]

I kind of got the same vibe from her daughter. In a mini version. Very abrupt and kind of nasty. I don’t care how you feel about the defense attorney, truth is truth, say it confidently. No need to be nasty with the truth on your side.

[@mini_skinny0296]

I think she was usually the one who managed the "crisis moments", in her small world she was kind of a boss.

[@sofiabreland5845]

Yes. And that’s what’s going to be her downfall. Finally. She’s gotten away with this her whole life. Until now.

[@maureenfrancis8902]

She thinks she’s smarter than Jackson. At the end of the day I bet she thought she won the day!

[@Bobbi_Costa]

I’m dying. 🤣 EDB… “Alan, I’m offended It’s peanut butter jelly time”. 🙌🏼 Thank you for this!

[@joshn1678]

I think what's more bizarre is that the prosecutor has no evidence that Karen could even cause the injuries to John, like, was she driving backwards 120mph when she hit him lol? The guy's face was crushed, he had black eyes, bite marks on his arms, bruises, lacerations, all her car has is a broken tail light, how did all that damage happen to him from a broken tail light? He obviously got beat to death by the cops inside the home.

[@Glittergirlee]

‘Speaking of which, I need to feed my snorelax’ is literally why I love you 😂

[@marikotrue3488]

QUESTION: Is the lack of scientific and factual evidence being presented thus far from the prosecution seem odd or unusual? Had this investigation been handled professionally and thoroughly, we probably would not be ending Day#15 with so many questions. Where is the ME report, accident reconstruction, ALL phone records, documentation regarding the protocol/source for those swabs sent to UC-Davis and details on treatment of the evidence gathered near the late Officer O'Keefe. Human memory is quite fallible, as Emily says we need, "facts not f*****y".

[@annamelvina216]

Granted this is only my 4th trial that I've watched all the way through, but it's very odd in my book. Starting with the brother of the victim (and his wife) made sense, going to the first responders next made sense, but everything after that is so odd. Where are the experts??

[@fazzolarijames]

It’s unusual, normally the prosecution starts with the science then fills in gaps with testimony.

[@tuckerhoegen4768]

🎉is it weird that Jen texted and checked on JO 6 times in 19 minutes? She knows they're at the house. Seems excessive to me!!!

[@debicurry5913]

Walk outside!!! Good grief, they watched them from the window for 35 plus minutes???

[@heathertargett4702]

At that point she’s calling his phone to find it…because he dropped it during the fight…that’s what Jackson is eluding to

[@jmc-xp6ml]

@@heathertargett4702. Interesting point. Meaning a fight occurred right after Karen left?

[@LadyLouise29]

She was trying to find his phone

[@jgsg2620]

I’m so glad u said that, I fucking totally agree with u, she txtd him 6 times in 19 minutes, that’s a lot. I feel like she had a thing for him n that’s why she didn’t like Karen also. I don’t no but there is something about her that gives me those vibes.

[@kathywright7395]

I can’t imagine what the court reporter is going through. She must go home totally exhausted!

[@literaturegeek1570]

Yes, bless that woman, her job is nothing to envy right now. 😅

[@rebeccaj5463]

I haven't finished this video yet, but I think the panicking and taking potential blame isn't too wild... I was in a car crash where I only totalled my own car but as soon as someone came to my car I was apologising for hurting people and damaging their vehicles even though literally no one else was affected at all... sometimes in moments of panic you can take on all sorts of weird blame!

[@CG-cg9jy]

Am I missing something? Jen had to find out what Keri's phone number was to begin with no? Now Keri is sitting at their house giving a statement to the police over the phone while Jen is supposedly not listening in "the other room" I have more but I am just dumbfounded this case is even a case

[@francescawilliams8177]

She’s also comforting Kerry and not Karen . She didn’t go to the hospital with John either .

[@TXN4JC]

And they become so tight she rides with Kerry to drop off Lenk’s daughter. But she’s such a talkah!

[@Deannaleigh65]

Can Jen just ANSWER the questions??? Yes/No is NOT hard to say! I’m behind a lil bit but this chic is avoiding and darting questions every chance she can. And asking questions for herself that takes balls!

[@danams4166]

Yeah, same. For me, it highlights how controlling she is. Also, she seems so insincere when she goes on about “losing a friend she loved” in reference to John.

[@brady_cll]

Her needing to add a narrative everytime, honestly, just makes her look worse. She’s digging herself a hole.

[@clarem8784]

​@loveliftlaemons It reminds me of a quote - I think it was on "Sherlock", "Only lies have detail."

[@mishahhhh]

She certainly has AN answer for everything though at the same time 😬

[@Deannaleigh65]

I just hope the jury is hearing what we all are!!!!!!