Evil DnD Player Kills DMs Pet | r/rpghorrorstories

[@patheon9541]

first story he's not just a scumbag he's an absolute psychopath if someone did that to one of my cats they would not be walking away with all of their limbs

[@DellikkilleD]

I honestly cant wrap my head around the fact they allowed him to leave alive.

[@rustyhowe3907]

Man would be meeting his maker if he pulled that in my house, I wonder if the story in the video is even true?

[@DellikkilleD]

@@rustyhowe3907 I honestly dont think so, no actual person would have permitted that behavior

[@rustyhowe3907]

@@DellikkilleD I am thinking on this line as well.

[@metalboo8491]

killed a lizard over a board game, Imagine what he'd do getting dumped or something.

[@StSubZero]

Bingo, hence why it's a bit idiotic of the police to ignore the HUGE flag of a potential maniac who could move on to killing people, especially given he flat out threatened to R-word the OP. But hey, minimal effort for the same paycheck, the lazy cops are probably thinking. They won't care unless it's THEM on the receiving end of psychopathic stuff. "With Great Power, comes Great Responsibility." --Uncle Ben.

[@akmi1931]

Animal abuse is a see crime and most courts take it very seriously. OP absolutely needs to files charges against that creep

[@AzriusN]

All I can say about the first story is that if someone did anything like that to one of my cats or my ball python, they'd be leaving my place in one of three ways - on a stretcher, in the back of a police cruiser, or over the side of my balcony. They get to choose which.

[@mediocrewolfsif]

They dont get the choice, they get the stretcher i get the cruiser

[@Wrathura]

Sorry, the first story... You clearly don't understand how much of a legal issue killing someone's pet is. That isn't just small claims court. That is potential imprisonment from charges territory. If someone kills your pet, call the police, and press charges. If your local police are stupid enough to not do anything about it, call your *lawyer*. A judge won't just wave it off if they're even half worth their role.

[@tigerkatze9819]

Wishful thinking but unfortunately the burden often falls on the owner if no human was harmed (for example, police only get involved if someone was bitten by a dog). In the eyes of the law your horse, fish, dog, cat, chickens, no matter how much you loved them, are property. You cannot be charged with homicide or murder or manslaughter, etc. for killing a pet, usually only property damage. Animal abuse resulting in death maybe.

[@kou7191]

Sadly that depends on where one lives. Here, a lizard wouldn't even be considered a pet and the cop would tell you you just wasted their time.

[@kcrabe243]

@@tigerkatze9819it use to be like that in my country too, but recently a law passed to make pets sensible creature in the eyes of the law, so if someone kill your pet, you can have them in prison for 6 month and a fine of 7 500€, the weird thing is that animal cruelty is punished by 3 month of prison and a 45 000€ fine, mostly because of zoos and circus

[@siobhanroberts2329]

​@@tigerkatze9819Yeah. This keeps making me think of the Don't Fuck With Cats documentary. Don't watch it if you're one of the people who cried from the first story; it'll make you want to put your fist through a wall. Tons of people went to the Toronto police about that psycho and they wouldn't do anything because he was "just" torturing cats, but he killed someone eventually.

[@calebthedoomguy2730]

@@tigerkatze9819 In the list of charges for animal cruelty, jail time is a possibility. the murder of a pet is a myriad of charges and not as bleak as you claim. while true, it won't be classed high as murder, many other charges get placed. Animal cruelty, destruction of property, possible trespassing (even if invited into the property, that can be revoked at will by the property owner), etc. You just need a lawyer worth a 3 second internet search. *yes, there are documented cases of animal death going unpunished, but laws have changed since most of those (in part DUE to those)

[@matteomontecchi8751]

In that first story, if i was the husband... The lizard wouldn't had been the only thing squashed on the ground. They would have to restrain me before i reduced him to a pile af flesh and human f*eces.

[@RiveroftheWither]

That guy in the first story needs a psych eval, anyone who thinks "you killed my character so I kill this real, living, breathing creature you love!" is not mentally sound. Extreme animal cruelty is one of the first signs of a dangerous, mentally unstable person. Get the restraining order.

[@seto_kaiba_]

Especially after making death and rape threats. I hope OP has some kind of security cause someone like that is dangerous.

[@nachobear5100]

Yeah if someone killed my dog the body would not be recognizable as human.

[@andrewwicks5465]

The same could be said about me and my whites tree frog.

[@atomicforgery9266]

People that kill defenseless animals don't deserve any form of happiness in their life.

[@m.tigerbeans6898]

There was not nearly enough Kitty meditation to prepare me for that first story 😢

[@cyberspinosaur1145]

Genuinely cried. Rest in peace, sweet tegu, and deepest condolences to the OP. I'd end up in prison if anyone did that to my animals

[@patjacksonpodium]

Maaaaan, someone kills my pet...I'm going to jail that night. Not sure what the charges are gonna be, but its gonna be significant.

[@Giganotus]

Unfortunately Doge, reptiles don't often receive the same kind of protections and care from the law as cats and dogs do. Same with fish, arthropods, and to a lesser extent birds and small mammals. Trying to explain that reptiles, fish, and arthropods can in fact be subjected to animal cruelty and neglect is a tough sell in many places. Though I do agree, that guy should've faced legal punishment for killing that lizard. A pet is a pet.

[@iluvyurbles]

basically if it's not a dog or cat people don't think it can be abused Fish are likely the most abused pets in the world poor things are often kept in tiny tanks way too small for them and given dangerous tank mates on top of it

[@Giganotus]

@@iluvyurbles oh don't get me started on how horribly fish get treated. It's so sad. And they're way smarter than many people think, they absolutely deserve proper care

[@iluvyurbles]

@@Giganotus bettas can be trained to eat out of your hands and often have unique personalities that can match their beauty

[@tioraidh-tux]

@@Giganotusit’s mortifying that those sorts also base it off of how intelligent they perceive it to be. it’s a living creature that feels pain, there should be no other reason needed to protect it from harm to the best of available resources

[@TheOtherGuys2]

I'm not really surprised that such animals aren't treated the same way as mammals, to be honest. The number of people I've gotten into full blown arguments with trying to convince them that birds, fish, reptiles, amphibians, insects, arthropods etc are in fact animals, is scarily high. All it takes is one person who never learned the difference between the words 'animal' and 'mammal' to render all your arguments invalid.

[@SpenceSession]

That first story is sad and infuriating. I hope OP feels better. And like Doge said, that's animal cruelty. They were right when they said their police were bad in their area.

[@bayardkyyako7427]

ACAB in the works.

[@tallguy752]

Sucks but its literally "he said she said" with no proof either way

[@pumpkinicing]

​@@tallguy752Witnesses. There were witnesses. And animal cruelty like that isn't exactly hard to prove.

[@tallguy752]

@@pumpkinicing witnesses don't actually go very far. They are easy to dismantle. Its a good start or good to back up other evidence but nearly pointless on its own

[@pumpkinicing]

@@tallguy752 I mean, when I got falsely accused of a crime, the entire reason they did the research to discover I was innocent was because there were witnesses to the event and a prior incident.

[@Thagomizer]

The first story is every pet owner's nightmare. Absolutely infuriating to hear about.

[@pessimismjester6740]

Hearing thw lizard was a Tegu ads an ext4a layer of pain to the first story- some of the coolest most docile lizards around :( poor fella

[@tesuniekataren46]

First story: Tell the police you are PRESSING CHARGES. That is something THEY do, not the courts. Abuse. Assault/battery. Cruelty to animals. Destruction of private property. Threatening. Verbal assault. I am sure there are a few more one could add... Third story: Sometimes, the strangest build concepts just really end up working really well. Sorry Wizard, but that is sometimes out it works. Thinking outside the box can be a lot of fun. Reminds me of some of my Elementalist builds on Guild Wars 1... Ah. The memories.

[@pheonixgaming7800]

I agree with you on the first story situation. What's even more unnerving is the fact that if this guy is such a Psychopath there's always a decent possibility of that very individual committing murder. So there's absolutely no reason that the police can't arrest the guy.

[@HiddenWindshield]

Noooo.... That's _not_ the police's job. That's the DA's job. The police's job is to arrest people who may have committed a crime. The DA presses charges, then the court issues an arrest warrant if needed, then the police can arrest the suspect. You can _tell_ the police that you want to press charges, and they'll go ahead and arrest the individual, but then they just pass the message on to the DA who decides what charges to file.

[@DellikkilleD]

@@HiddenWindshield No bud. you couldnt be more wrong. the police arrest you and press charges. the DA decides if they are going to *prosecute* dont speak with confidence from a such a place of deep ignorance child.

[@HiddenWindshield]

@@DellikkilleD Google "who is in charge of pressing charges", the little blurb at the top of the page says "The prosecutor makes the final call on whether to press charges." Every other result in the list corroborates that statement. I rather like FindLaw's take: "Individuals do not press charges, *_nor do police._* In the context of the criminal law, only a municipal, state, or federal attorney can decide to charge someone with a crime and file a charging document." (Emphasis added.)

[@DellikkilleD]

@@HiddenWindshield lol, a ticket is a charge. A prosecutor doesnt even get involved unless you attempt to fight it. Copos absolutely do charge you. Your basic lack of comprehension is deeply indicative of your lack education kiddo

[@kylemendoza8860]

Just going to be honest. The police didn't care because it was a lizard.

[@Jakepearl13]

In that case,I won’t care the next time they lose an officer in the line of duty. They’re cops.

[@Pandadude-eg9li]

I guarantee you, the guy from story 1 was a convicted felon BEFORE meeting them.

[@paytong4818]

1st story legal claims are at am absolute minimum: Emotional distress, property damage (lizard+tank), and animal cruelty. Plus you could probably get such an asshole fired by informing his boss of the incident

[@DellikkilleD]

his boss isnt gonna care unless he misses work due to the arrest that *should* have happend. you kids really think employers give a flying fuck what the average dude does while off the clock?

[@solomonhale9251]

The first story should have ended with “then we shot the jerk”

[@DellikkilleD]

I cant understand how they let him live

[@cmhsky]

"that's when he went outside, broke both of his knee caps with a bat. Then ran himself over. It was crazy"

[@DellikkilleD]

@@cmhsky we tried to stop him, but he just kept stabbing himself in the face. it was insane!

[@UnseelieFaelass]

Firstly, as a reptile owner myself(Two Ball Pythons, a Normal female named Snickers and her Banana Enchi son Chip) that man probably would not be leaving unscathed. Hell I'd probably get Aspca involved if possible as well, make sure he doesn't have any pets himself. If he's willing to kill someone else's pet, why shouldn't we be worried if he has any himself? That's not to say I wouldn't be happy about it if he lost his pets afterwards, rightful as it would be. Oh well, as a witch I believe in the rule of three. Anything you do, comes back to you three times as hard. Let's hope karma can thoroughly wreck him in due time, but that no other animals have to suffer for it. On a lighter note, perhaps the 'I'm too smart for you' guy can be dealt with using items. Maybe have some cards that the players know contain items in the future. Then when numbnuts pulls his 'tOo sMaRt fOr yOu' schtick, make a show of pulling some cards out from the deck of goodies. Then if asked about it, don't tell the players anything beyond that who knows, maybe you'll find something nice for yourselves? Just make sure you had maybe two items already in the house itself, so that it's not so out of the blue. Maybe this is a bit railroady...but to me from the perspective of a player, I'd wanna go in there after knowing items have been pulled out. Hell I'd do it without the incentive just to spite the turd nugget, but maybe that's just me. I'm not the best DM AT ALL and actually have a CO-DM that helps me since the stats and math of the game itself tends to break my brain. I know, not ideal, but you do what you gotta do and my group hasn't any complaints about that. We've actually been on hiatus for a long while because my computer busted and well I couldn't save up enough to buy a new one. So finally caved and asked for help after realizing I just couldn't do it.

[@swallowed103]

Animal Cruelty is a level of Evil that is so low that even the Devil wouldn't touch that crap. I've had a Tegu before and they are wonderful creatures. She loved sleeping in my Lap, rest her soul. I feel for the OP of this Story... I hope this Asshole suffers for that...

[@Omnywrench]

That last story is a good example of what I call a "Van Halen Test". The name comes from the band Van Halen, who like many bands, had a list of requirements for their shows to ensure their performance would work, such as making sure the stage's weight limit could hold up their equipment, that their lights and pyrotechnics had proper wiring and wattage, stuff like that. But what they would also include was for their dressing room to be provided with a bowl of M&Ms with the brown ones removed. This has often been the butt of jokes involving prima donna celebrities, but it was actually put there to ensure the band that the hosts of their shows had actually read their contract and made the requirements. If they didn't see a candy bowl, then the band had to check what else was neglected by their hosts.

[@SPedneau]

First story, you have my serious condolences and you have more restraint than I. A sick bastard like that would be stomped to death himself by my hand if he did such a thing to my pets, be they furry or scaley. This is another reason I recommend to do a hard screening of future players if hosting at your personal place of residence.

[@forthor219]

Put that dude in the first story in jail. He deserves it.

[@victoriapagac]

the pet story makes me want to get the op a new one so sad

[@MatrixRefugee]

Agreed. Anyone got some contact info so us folks can help them get another little scaly friendo?

[@Nesseight]

Yeah, or at the very least a toy tegu who's eyes bulge out when squeezed.

[@playernotfound9489]

" a new one" these amazing animals aren't objects

[@victoriapagac]

@@playernotfound9489 i didnt mean it like that

[@tigerkatze9819]

It makes many people uncomfortable but pets are property in the eyes of the law. You likely can only sue someone for the value of the animal. 1) Go down to the police station rather than call 911. File a police report because police likely will not come to the house. 2) If they were a rescue, well, go to a pet store or download from online several listings for the price of Tengu in your area. This is proof of value in place of a receipt 3) File a small claims hearing. In the eyes of most states, animals are property so yes you do have to put a value on your loved ones. Dont expect winning an Emotional Distress charge for property claims. 4) Check local laws or state laws to see if killing pets fall under a wrongful death or animal cruelty claim. 5) Check how much it costs to file a small claims in your precinct. It might not be worth it sadly.

[@lexfiles721]

I love lizards man.. that first story done broke my heart ;-;

[@vodostar9134]

That lizard killing player would have caught a bullet in the back of the head if he did that to one of my pets. Okay, maybe not, but what a good reason to stick to VTT.

[@Infinityxero]

The jerk from the first story would be having a nice trip in the "Wee Woo Mobile" if they did that to one of my animals. You're gonna get wrecked, broken and made to lay outside struggling for life in a ditch.

[@Phoenix8492]

Something tells me that he’s also the kind of worm who, after getting the beating he sorely deserves, will call the police and press charges for assault and battery.

[@DanielKay06]

I sadly assume they went "oh it was JUST a lizard, that's not the same as a "real" pet" and wrote it off as that. A lot of people still go by "Reptile = not worthy to care about" or even outright demonize them.

[@GarkKahn]

Ok the story about the pet reminds me a lot about the time my dad's girlfriend tried to break my fish tank by knocking it like it was a sturdy door I punched her in the face and told her to get her sorry ass far away from there or things will get really violent really fast

[@AdogNamedDal]

Pushed him out of the house? Nah after killing my pet irl you aint ever leaving my house… your getting buried under it 😂

[@gr_pillar]

We need John Wick for the first one. Or Dexter.

[@MatrixRefugee]

Or both. That's a crossover I'd love to see.

[@chelonianmobile]

If lizards aren't covered by animal cruelty laws in your state, OP of the first story, you could still sue for property damage. I hope you do get some peace. Poor liz.

[@me0262]

The fox thing, this is a great thing to do. You see this when bands negotiate their concert shows, as there are certain power requirements or safety issues for these shows that might burn down the place if these aren't met. A clause at the end of the writer for a bowl of M&Ms without the green ones demonstrates to the band that they read the entire writer. If they see green M&Ms, then that means the venue didn't read the writer properly and might have problems when on stage.

[@katherinedonovan974]

That is disgusting to kill a pet over a game! I'm not big on lizards but my God, hearing about Tegus and how precious this critter must be to the narrator, I feel so bad. May that precious Tegu rest in peace. :(

[@Majo_Ellen]

This is the first time I heard about ... actual death over a ttrpg. That really broke my heart. Usually these horror stories are pathetic, a little rage enducing, weird, funny .... But that's just outright malicious and wicked... That's like harming an infant, those animals don't know what's going on, they're innocent, pure... This is outright depressing.... Just imagining the poor little thing writhing around, confused his home is knocked about.. before being crushed over something it has no idea about........ ghhha....... OP is a lot more patient than I am. I'd never forgive that man, I'd chase him to the ends of the Earth for this.

[@Shane-hx4xp]

4:19 dude would have gotten a similar treatment to the lizard

[@Densoro]

I’m shocked that they _didn’t_ give him a taste of his own medicine.

[@AvatAR42420]

While the story of lizard murder was significantly worse, two of the others struck a personal cord. The salty wizard story annoys me because I have run into people who get upset when another player is doing "too well". If that player isn't cheating, this goes against the very heart of the cooperative game that is D&D. We share and empathize with each other's successes and failures. I am currently blessed with a table that does this naturally and it adds so much to the experience. The other I would like to comment on is the "progress" story. I have run into those players reluctant to do anything dangerous or risky at all. The smugness of thinking you "outsmarted the DM" just adds that extra layer of annoyance. I both have had a DM and been the DM who had to go above the table and ask a player "is your character an adventurer or not?" While you can play smart and take precautions, sometimes you just have to pull that lever, or hit the big shiny button or delve into the dangerous and unpleasant dungeon. If your quest is a dungeon crawl, the characters need to enter the dungeon. If it is a mystery, you need to investigate the damn mystery.

[@TheMormonSorceress]

I'd probably be behind bars for assaulting someone if a petty guy killed my pet out of spite.

[@reflectedten8103]

In regards to the last story, one group I've been playing with for years actually accepted me because they had a fox clause, although they asked for your characters favorite ice cream. I didn't catch on to the purpose for the longest time and thought it was just an exorcise in flushing out a character, Like how much more human a character can feel just by having a favorite ice cream

[@ErdriedDeirdre]

That first story made me actually cry. That's freaking heartbreaking. There's got to be a way to screen for crap players before they end up in your games, at your house. Like make session Zero the first 3 sessions of your game or run a one shot. People can hide their bad side in one game, but over 3 games you should be able to tell they're a jerk. 🤔

[@dinodemi7562]

Lizard guy would not have made it out of my house without permanent damage done to him. I would not even care about the consequences that could fall on me for it. Tank glass would have been flying.

[@Mask0fFate]

If anyone tried hurting my dog, ESPECIALLY over something as petty and pissy as their character dying, all bets would be off. No one, and I mean NO ONE, hurts my best friend.

[@eddiedormer9045]

1st guy wouldn't have left my house in one piece...

[@rb98769]

Second story: I've played with a person who did that. It was just terrible, and he thought it was perfectly normal behavior even though everyone frequently told him to stop. He'd sometimes start arguing with the DM that this or that must have been supposed to hit because he looked up the monster stats, and in another instance he accused the DM of "nerfing" the monster not to kill us. We'd have to pause the session for 30+ minutes sometimes because he wouldn't stop arguing and trying to rules lawyer the situation. He was an obnoxious powergamer as well who didn't mind bending the rules to his own favor when it was convenient. Our game improved massively once we called him out and he was pressured to leave.

[@stefankroon4615]

The attic story is 100% the DMs fault. As outlined by Doge; if the characters don't want to go somewhere that is obviously perilous, that's completely fair for them to say. Making the threat come to them is the logical solution.

[@potatofairy8535]

I feel so bad for OP in the first story. Losing a pet you've just begun a fresh bond with can really mess with you. Especially when some POS murders them over something as stupid as a game.

[@dakotastein9499]

That poor tegu....OP isnt kidding they are the sweetest lizards ever.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

The *VILLAIN* of the first story sounds like an ad for a wood chipper

[@foxqueen6214]

4th story- nah you're right, its not railroady, they didn't progress when given a time sensitive quest, thus the timer went off and the quest failed

[@rb98769]

Yeah, the story has to move forward.

[@spatialdistortion223]

DM #2's first mistake, 7 PLAYERS.

[@medicaoctavia8002]

The freckled snoot of Simba saved me. Because what kind of monster kills an animal about that?

[@littlegiantj8761]

So, Tegus can grow up to a meter in length; this lizard wasn't the size of a gecko. That bastard stomped on a Tegu that was likely the size of a kitten. I'm surprised the husband didn't "accidentally" dislocate his shoulder or elbow throwing him out

[@dorianleakey]

That first story really triggered me, I feel so violent. I hope it's fake, I really hope it's fake.

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

1st Story...yeah no...that scumbag would not be leaving my house in one piece if he killed my pet over something so trivial.

[@HiddenWindshield]

About that last story: Quite a few band managers (especially for the more well-known ones) put simple but weird requirements into the contract for venues that want to host the band. For instance, anybody that wanted to host Van Halen had to provide a bowl of M&Ms in the green room with all the brown ones removed. If the manager didn't see M&Ms in the green room, or if they saw a brown one, they knew that somebody didn't actually read the contract and so they needed to be extra-careful in their pre-concert inspection.

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

That guy in the first story would not be that smart doing such thing near me, well you could guess what. “People” like those make my blood boil..

[@WaveShock007]

The fox pic story at the end has been done in real life before. AcDc was "notorious" for asking for specific colors of m&ms in their green room at venue halls. This wasn't because they really liked them but because if the hall took the time to do that, the venue would obviously put the same level of maintence in their equipment.

[@patjacksonpodium]

Close. It was Van Halen, and they insisted that a bowl of M&Ms be in their dressing room with the green ones removed. And yes, it was for the purpose you mention. Their set design was so extensive and heavy that it could cause serious structural damage if the stage wasnt strong enough. So for safety and insurance concerns, they hid the M&M Clause in the back among the exhaustive list of structural requirements, to know the venue took safety seriosuly. Dont mean to be That Guy. Although its totally possible that other bands did it too, its a good idea.

[@WaveShock007]

@@patjacksonpodium I might have gotten parts of it wrong it's been about 4 years since I had to have that at the ready. No worries

[@iank472]

In the first story it absolutely is animal cruelty but unfortunately a lot of people (seemingly cops included) don't consider anything that isn't fluffy or furry as more of a decoration than a pet. Reptiles and fishes are often severely mistreated with zero consequence because they aren't "real" pets. As a marine biologist this really pisses me off.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

For that last story, maaaaaaan do I feel that. I should start telling my DMs to do that because it seems like, just like OP, 90% of the people who apply clearly didn't read anything about the game before they joined. They don't make sure their schedule lines up, they don't know the setting, they don't have any character ideas ready, etc. so we gotta drag them through doing these things only to find out a few hours prior that, actually, [insert day/time here] is when they're working so they're gonna drop out despite what they agreed to multiple times earlier. HOW IS SCHEDULE NOT THE **VERY FIRST** THING YOU CHECK IN A GAME!? WHY WORRY ABOUT WHAT KIND OF CHARACTER YOU'LL PLAY IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT!??? WHY LIE ABOUT IT!??????

[@SniperkingSogeking04]

Third Story: My brother in TTRPGs you're a FREAKING WIZARD! You're not gonna be the heaviest hitter in the game especially as a low-level wizard.

[@elderliddle2733]

Law student here: Can confirm that in most places around the world, pets are property. Cruelty to animals would involve things like getting a vet to testify, graphic photos, etc. the lizard was probably worth less than 2k. As for animal cruelty, most places define it as deliberately withholding food or water, bestiality, or violence resulting in death. As for a potential legal case, stepping on it would be a hard sell as the guy could claim it was an accident or the animal was ready to attack him. That guy could easily win with the right lawyer. As stated above, a veterinarian would need to testify, and no vet is going to take time out of their busy schedule to testify for an exotic animal. An animal that, considering it was a rescue, was probably illegally purchased by the previous owner, as you need permits for an exotic animal. Sorry Doge, the legal system isn’t perfect, and it’s even worse when ordinary people think they know things but don’t.

[@rentheseer190]

Once upon a time, 8+ years ago, I stealed myself to dive blind into roll20 to look for a pathfinder game to play in, and hopefully, maybe some new friends. I found one game posting that spoke to the roleplayer in me. And it had a hidden request that I even describe a custom flower. the dm spoke to me that day, introduced me to the group. We've all been best friends to this day. And I cherish them as my found family.

[@ArcCaravan]

I salute that last story's OP for testing applicants.

[@tiamod]

I would definitely be in prison if someone had done that to one of my pets. Not even saying that to be “edgy” or whatever I would have legit snapped. Something’s fishy though. Animal abuse is a crime and I can’t see police letting it go like that. There are many animal agency’s they could have called as well.

[@sunzi42]

The Cthulu-story: The PC:s in that RPG is called "INVESTIGATORS". If they do not investigste, they do not play the game!

[@starofjustice1]

I'd probably even call that metagaming.

[@marybdrake1472]

The player calls themselves "too genre savvy", and doesn't even understand the mystery genre at all. I have no words for how stupid, and self sabotaging that is.

[@akmi1931]

Forth story: It’s not taking away player agency for events to naturally unfold given player choices, or lack there of. D&D isn’t a video game in which nothing happens until the player makes “the right choice”. Time and events should be very fluid and should progress in spite of player actions as much as because of them.

[@Kanaleah]

Also, I recommend any mystery being solvable by multiple avenues. Even if the players missed that clue, the DM should've had many more clues in place to investigate. If the DM only puts one clue there where the investigation grinds to a halt if nothing happens, then the DM has failed, not the players.

[@rb98769]

@@Kanaleah Yeah. OP might have been new to the horror/mystery genre of RPGs, so there's that. As much as I hate players who have zero proactivity, sometimes these things do happen and you need to either fall onto a plan B or improvise. With that said I think the demon breaking out is pretty valid.

[@Raymond13557]

There is a special place in hell for that damn Mary sue

[@robrib2682]

if you wouldn't do it to a toddler, don't do it to a pet. Anyone who dosn't understand this either has mental problems or that pet better have been extremely venomous and about to bite someone

[@TigerW0lf]

But he would've done it to a toddler because he's psychopath.

[@robrib2682]

@@TigerW0lf see again my second sentence above

[@MarquisLeary34]

Sweet merciful Pelor, there's one part of the dark triad firmly established.

[@JacobL228]

I have a person like Star as my little brother. He's always right even when he's wrong, and he plays Lawful Stupid characters because if you're not Mother Teresa, you're not Good, and if you're not Adolf Hitler, you're not evil, which is the correct way to interpret the alignment system according to him. He also has to be in charge because no one else is capable of doing so, not that he ever gives anyone a chance. All his friends are either incapable of standing up for themselves due to some stuff from their home life or smoke so much weed that they don't even care, so he thinks that's normal, and he never listens to anyone telling him he's being a douche. It's a shame because I'd love to play a game with the nice little brother he used to be, and I don't think I'll ever get to.

[@robertwildschwein7207]

Deep condolences to the guy from the first story. Animal abusers are amoungst the worst people wandering around on earth.

[@Antsaboy94]

Roleplaying is a collaboratibe effort. The absolute rule isn't _"The DM is always right,"_ or _"The player is always right,"_ but _"Both of you, be reasonable."_ There's difference between inconveniencing the DM and forcing their hand to do something drastic to proceed in story. To halt the story is to misuse player agency.

[@GhostRavenFIN]

I'm fuming at the first story. I've never met this problem player, and I hate him. I hate him so much.

[@the_markoman]

Would push back a bit on the last story. At least from my experience, asking if there are any openings left is just the common courtesy that's expected on lfg, so a lot of people will do so before applying properly. The OP might inadvertently be turning away perfectly good players because they misinterpreted politeness for laziness.

[@ThePlayplay64]

1st story. ALWAYS! escort trash and trouble from your home. don't just let them leave. and then watch them, watch your cars, make sure they don't do anything. see them leave, you never know if they are just going to the car to get a gun or a crow bar. NEVER! take your eyes off people like that.

[@MRx36000]

Wow.... wtf was wrong with that first guy?! Seriously? Killed someone's pet out of petty spite!?

[@loganredding1621]

That first story. If I was that OP, that person would have said by to the ability to walk

[@Howlflame]

Last game I played, we were about to come up on a drider as low level characters. I looked up the creature after the session because I was so excited, and wanted to know more about them. I don't remember any of the stats, but I was excited to find out they spoke elvish, as did my character. I was looking forward to finding out if the muttering we were hearing through the door could've been elvish and we could talk to it. Unfortunately, the game neve really picked up after that because some of the other players just disappeared...

[@matthewshimabuku]

In the second story, OP has homebrews for a better true strike, access to inflict wounds, and a better weapon, and is killing flying creatures with a melee spell, while wizard can't have published spells because homebrew lore? I think there is another story here...

[@skybluepainter]

"So far so Gucci" tickled me

[@ColtNomad]

For the password picture story, I was in a discord for a videogame server that used this in their rules post and you could tell who did and didn't read the rules. "How do I get past step 2?" Read the rules. "I did!" Apparently not.

[@odinsbaer]

Post 1 dude wouldn't be walking out or any where soon after killing a pet

[@roka9963]

noone who kills one of my pets is leaving my house alive.

[@dragonturtle2703]

Player agency doesn’t trump logical consistency. At least not in a lot of games, and the ones that don’t just don’t feel like anything makes sense or means much. For instance, if you are on a literal train, expect to get railroaded.

[@PaladinGear15]

The second story... Normally that's a brand new player mistake, like the time I was playing with a pretty new group and after the combat someone was like "I've never heard of a yellow slime before so I was quickly trying to google its stats to know how to safely kill it". You'd think it''s kinda common sense to not metagame to such a harsh degree, but I can forgive it from brand new players, and we just explained to that new guy you should never look up a monster's stats, as for the DM doing this, I kinda feel like this was intentional because they didn't like how strong the enemy was.

[@Slushea]

Okay genuinely get that guy arrested, pretty sure killing someone's pet is.

[@hellkitelord8319]

I will admit I've looked up monsters stats before but, I NEVER said the monsters stats to the other players. Heck one time I even used an element the monster was resistance to do to my character not knowing.

[@hunterkessell6070]

I just love Simba. Just looks like they're totally done with your sh** 🤣🤣

[@knightofcarrion7358]

For the second story, there is a lot of missing context. The tldr is that the DM has terrible at balance and did in fact show favouritism for OP by giving him dr gs that gave him like a 16 in con, neglecting the weakness that said wizard called out (i.e showing favouritism by neglecting one players weakness). Sure the wizard was salty but with context it's understandable, and the real nightmare was the DM who gave OP a bunch of homebrew items and spells that were specific to OP.

[@l0stndamned]

1st story is absolutely enraging. I'm fairly sure animal cruelty is illegal in most places so the cops are full of fail. The DM from the Star story was dropping the ball a bit if things were getting like that.

[@thephantomspectator407]

Two words: John. Wick!🔪🩸☠

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Please don't show the first story to Den of the Drake. He'll have a meltdown. I'm not even joking.

[@SrslyTony]

Holy shit. I don't think I have the heart to watch the rest of the vid. I'm sure leaving a comment and liking should be enough for the algo but...1st stories level of supervillainy is insane.

[@realrealwarpet]

Im not saying i would beat the pet killer…but he’d never walk again. If he’s lucky

[@GundamAngelicDevil]

I know what I'd do if a player decides to pull up monster stats midgame. I'd stop, pack my shit, wish everyone a good day/night and apologize for not being a good enough DM and just walk away.