Food Theory: Wait... Coffee is a SOUP?!

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We found the answer to the age-old question of "Is a hotdog a sandwich?". Now it is time to make another set of people REALLY angry at me. The coffee people to be precise. What question are we answering today? Well, you read the title but for those of you who may have skipped over it - here you go! Is COFFEE actually a SOUP?
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Credits:
Writers: Matthew Patrick and Justin Kuiper
Editors: Alex "Sedge" Sedgwick and Forrest Lee
Assistant Editor: Caitie Turner (Caiterpillart)
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[@ThatCybertChannel]

I don't normally comment, but I needed you all to know my disappointment in this episode. -Head Editor Dan

[@TGOPoma]

Hey, Dan!

[@demidemiurge1023]

I agree. It should be a tea, not a soup.

[@karmicgal344]

Sorry Head Editor Dan but your wife is _technically_ correct

[@mistermanthe4th]

I imagine the worst part of this was knowing you'd have to edit the final verdict, whether or not it matched your opinion.

[@cheeselord8153]

@@demidemiurge1023 tea is also soup

[@SentinalhMC]

Episode Idea: How much cheese would Cheetos need to contain to literally be dangerously cheesy

[@fries4me10]

This is frigging genius

[@official-obama]

packed beyond the swarzchild radius of cheese

[@farhansaber9330]

This is really good I want to see this as a video lmfaooo

[@thtotaku]

i mean, if you have cheese powder that's off, it's gonna be a small amount.

[@deebo429__]

Oh wow, a good KZbin comment recommendation? I never expected this.

[@trish87563]

I'd actually contend that coffee is not a fruit-seed soup, but rather a fruit-seed stock, because you filter out the thing that you boiled to make the drink. In soups, you still have solids left behind in the finished product, even if they're pureed, but in coffee, you filter the solids out.

[@evangelineallen4541]

Exactly! It's more like a stock or broth, which is often filtered.

[@natlieyarbrough4694]

Every seed soup example they show has the seeds in the soup!

[@butterybiscuit346]

Bone broth would be a good example here.

[@JackedUpEntertainment]

So Iced Coffee is a soup

[@msk-qp6fn]

I personally call them infusions.

[@TheAdvertisement]

1:07 "DON'T SAY THAT!" already I can tell this is going to be a great episode.

[@prince32YT]

Ik! It was tho tbh

[@msk-qp6fn]

Coffee is bean powder infusion

[@CHEFPKR]

The brain storm call at the start is so good. I love seeing the ideation process.

[@user-rv7wm9fx8k]

MatPat is a brain burner!(Правдивое видео):. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m37Zi4OMasaWrdk

[@user-rv7wm9fx8k]

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[@user-ex5zk5cd9j]

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[@enigma479]

Im surprised I haven’t seen any lyrhero references lol

[@krisj5561]

It is obviously fake...

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

8:30 "Don't believe everything you see on TikTok, friends." Don't worry matPat, I don't even believe literally anything I see on TikTok.

[@user-lk2ex7ng8r]

арарра

[@user-lk2ex7ng8r]

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[@DestructiveRonny]

@@user-lk2ex7ng8r wat

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

true. some stuff may be true, but there's a lot of misinformation on the app. it's hard to know exactly what's true without checking it on the internet.

[@LuckyAnomaly]

our video tastes align a little too much

[@littykitty040]

Cooler: "Let me tell you a secret, coffee is just bean soup"

[@Rockman9830]

Stop!

[@MusicalLugia]

@@Rockman9830 "They hated Cooler beacuse he told the truth!"

[@Casandraelf]

right??

[@thefalcon5204]

You made me go watch Lythero take your like and leave.

[@xzaeox6397]

I was looking for this comment XD

[@michaellennerman7844]

I cannot believe I just watched a video about whether or not coffee was a soup or not. AND IT MADE SENSE!!

[@chrisjohnsonvan]

I can't believe you totally missed that coffee is a POTION. It's brewed, it has magical properties, and if you found a vial of it in a dungeon you'd have to make a very difficult decision about whether to drink it or not.

[@chaotixninja5]

Have you been playing Ni No Kuni?

[@raycee412]

Lol

[@diando19]

There's also the category of "herbal tea".

[@mikhailsharon4331]

WHAT!

[@meepnope4389]

I’d choose no, but who knows that might be the death of me 💀

[@grumpychat9417]

"Amy's chugging her bean broth right now" "DONT SAY THAT!" best moment ever

[@SoapiiBFDI]

it's so cursed lmao 💀

[@AaronSmith369]

I'mma chug some steamy bean juice to celebrate. 😆

[@tinamarie9136]

1:05

[@decmant]

@@OMGpowz i got an ad

[@Seth_the_sussyking]

My mind is so mf dirty bro

[@violetadams4428]

Dan's screams of frustration are the best parts of the episode. Lmao.

[@Simon_Electric]

MatPat you have enough resources and shows to fill an entire cable network. It's amazing how much your channel has grown over the years.

[@raychwagner3657]

I would honest-to-God pay a month streaming subscription if it was just these channels

[@supertron6039]

I like how Mat doesn't bother adding that this explanation automatically proves that Tea is also soup.

[@-Foof]

Leaf soup.

[@Carbon-cringe-human]

What to you mean "also"

[@loganwolv3393]

@@Carbon-cringe-human It means that soup isn't just made out of well vegetable liquid extract and cofee seed extract but is also made of leaf extract wich is commonly refered as tea.

[@acegamer9347]

“This tea is nothing more than hot leaf juice!”

[@bookworm0414]

@@acegamer9347 "Uncle, that's what all tea is."

[@luckyanubis_]

I love how when MattPatt heard that tiktokers were making mash-potatoes out of chips, he isn’t even surprised, he just laughs & says “Of course they are”

[@kitkat25195]

I mean, TikToks these days…

[@jaseph_1989]

@@benito23453 bruh moment

[@dinkle._.berry3597]

"how miserable"

[@chancestewart3915]

havent they done that episode before ?

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Well. Yes. The bar is low.

[@shugaraddict]

Dan took this personally. Even in the call he was ready throw hands through the screen 😂

[@artifexarts2944]

Watching Dan get so upset at mat calling Amy's coffee "bean broth" makes me laugh every single time

[@ignisofficialgaming]

As a barista, I'm more partial to the idea that it's a potion. It''s brewed and is magical because it grants the drinker the strength to go about their day

[@monroerobbins7551]

Yep, I like that more. Plus, it has side effects!

[@littlecherryartist]

are potions a soup?

[@PromethealBee]

@@littlecherryartist dont- i- cannot handle it anymore 😰

[@NotSoNormal1987]

Yeah. Magic bean water

[@rrownn]

YES. It would so be a potion omg how did I never think of this!

[@TaeRose29]

You know…I was expecting “Is cereal a soup” on this channel someday, but I’ve got to admit this is better.

[@JustLetMeUseNPC]

Cereal is soup. Change my mind!

[@dungeontnt]

Cereal is a soup

[@eugenekrabs141]

@@JustLetMeUseNPC soups are hot, cereal is cold, soup is boiled, cereal is not, based off mats definition it isent

[@cislife7140]

@@eugenekrabs141 what about those cold soups gazpacho?

[@coachmcguirk6297]

@@cislife7140 it's cooked and then chilled before serving.

[@not_found4865]

Okay- but hear me out. If a tomato is a fruit, is ketchup a smoothie?

[@user-aeb87825]

It's jam

[@DylucahPreciado]

I'm more often than not impressed by the sheer quality of the science in any given episode. It's very pleasing and gets my brain started in the best way possible. The "simple" jokes you usually make are excellent and always fit, never taking away from your point you're trying to make... This episode made me roll out of my chair laughing so hard at, "DON'T SAY THAT" Legitimately, I was laughing so hard, the video had played to almost the midpoint before I finally got a hold of myself. I gladly restarted from where I left off...

[@notisaac6041]

Imagine going to Starbucks and asking, "Can I have some fruit-seed soup?"

[@maenad1231]

*Fruit-seed soup

[@notisaac6041]

@@maenad1231 thanks bro

[@MySongBird278]

"May I have a fruit-seed soup? Dark roast please, thank you :D"

[@goldenwarrior1186]

@@maenad1231 what’d it say before

[@Igorcastrochucre]

"Sigh, that guy made a new vídeo, didn't he?"

[@paddygutowski9255]

In Poland we have "kompot". It is a beverage made from boiling fruits in water. Fruits are then removed, add sugar and you have "kompot". I think this fits your description of coffee better than soup.

[@thelolim___ster]

same in Russia

[@kitkat25195]

… Wow. We don’t.

[@lonergothonline]

in england, its a compote, which seems like a french word to me. so compoté maybe?

[@meercreate]

A little bit further east, and they usually leave the fruits in

[@ahumanbeing7426]

@@meercreate yeah and we call it komposto (or hoşaf) in turkey lol I didn't know it had a similar name in other countries though

[@CeilingOpossum]

My sister and I have a road trip game where we work to identify 73 distinct soups without looking anything up by the time we arrive at our destination, ( it was inspired by an incredibly strange license plate we saw) and I’m DEFINITELY using coffee next time

[@orientallegendcomics1316]

Let me tell you a secret, Coffee is just bean soup!

[@coolsteve3214]

They hated Cooler because he told the truth

[@imao15]

EATING *BEANS* I SEE

[@kalebrounds7520]

So, instead of calling coffee "burnt boiled brown bean broth" like I used to, I should start calling it "scorched simmered sepia seed soup?"

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

I feel like calling it "coffee" would be easier but you do you.

[@benrompen7100]

It can't be sepia unless you're putting squid/cuttlefish ink into it.

[@FuryMcpurey]

@@benrompen7100 sepia is also a color.

[@SoggyCoffeeAddict]

Dirty soggy bean stock

[@lacytaylor1501]

'Dirty bean water' will always be my go to.

[@milkcrisp5586]

I already knew this because any proper food theorist already knows that everything is soup.

[@kallocarina8879]

If it's not a sandwich, it's a soup

[@aidschbe]

@@kallocarina8879 Unless it's bread, in which case it could be cake.

[@miguelangelowong6786]

Wait... it's all soup?

[@mariomaster101official]

True

[@Soviet.onion.]

@@miguelangelowong6786 _always have been_

[@alishaaquatica]

EATING BEANS I SEE!?!? Let me tell you a secret, Coffee is just bean soup.

[@simpboi6835]

i was looking for this.

[@chrismayer3919]

It’s a SEED soup!! (But yes, still a soup)

[@Ojamamon67]

I cannot express the happy inside of my being when episodes like this come out lol I LOVE when you get to blows people’s minds with stuff like this or the sandwich episode or even what makes a fruit a fruit lol

[@ethanlewis5750]

as a trained cook: Coffee is closer to a broth then it is a soup. just like when making a turkey or bone soup you remove the material that gives the water its color and flavor. this is a important distinction.

[@leeeshizzy4296]

so ice coffee is a soup

[@ethanlewis5750]

@@leeeshizzy4296 I can agree to that

[@SamWulfign]

This is the issue I have with matt, chasing the description with this one. As a food channel should also be taking into account culinary knowledge, it would be more a broth because broth is a igredient for soup, and soup is a food of which you use ingredients to derive sustance for the body, technically you could live only on soup. But only Broth... it's hard to say, I'd say probably no, which is the same for coffee in this regard, you can't live only on coffee. And if that is still a issue.... could just simply call it a brew, which is boiled ingredients that is used to hydrate rather then sustain a body.

[@LR_Bushido]

Except if you add creamer and other things to it I don't think it would fall under a broth anymore

[@SamWulfign]

@@LR_Bushido It still would, as broth has other ingredients that is used to make a Base, Broth/Stock is also another word for Soup Base which is basically a foundation to prepare soup. The key takeaway here is whether it is food or not.

[@LokiScarletWasHere]

You forgot to mention the classification of an "infusion", or what's commonly called a "tea" Soup is very specifically eaten, whereas the remaining broth or infusion is then drank or discarded. But that's the thing. The liquid component is often an infusion, either of meat or bone, or of an herbal source. But just as coffee isn't a puree, so to is it not a soup.

[@loreleihillard5078]

It's a tisane

[@isabellagust6305]

Thank you I was thinking the same thing

[@kommandantgalileo]

So coffee is a Tea?

[@LokiScarletWasHere]

@@kommandantgalileo Yes.

[@adinjennings5413]

I’ve been saying Coffee is tea for years and my friends still think I’m crazy

[@ryanfranco7386]

I haven't watched the rest of the video, but it was neat to peak behind the scenes at game/food/film theory.

[@The_NW_EngineYT]

You need to do more intro skits like the zoom call rather than the animated puns, that was just pure gold ❤❤

[@samg461a]

What are alternative “milks” then? Almond “milk”? Soy “milk”? Oat “milk”? Are they also soup? You grind the seeds/nuts/beans with water and then strain out the grinds to consume the broth, just like coffee. So are they also soup?

[@majesticsnowleopard]

Yes.

[@benito23453]

Ж

[@maelissakluckman2890]

i propose coffee isnt soup its tea and i think non dairy milks are also tea

[@Spade1350]

Juice or smoothie depending on the milk alternative. Coffee is also definitely a tea and not a soup.

[@wyrdvora]

Coffee is a milk alternative 👍

[@rebeccamockerman6132]

I would love to see a crossover of this and the "the ocean is a soup" argument lol

[@pkmnmasters2842]

Yeeeesss

[@lathyrusloon]

I have indeed heard people refer to the ocean as a soup.

[@anoyint]

The ocean is inedible so no, not a soup.

[@triparadox.c]

@@anoyint It is edible just once

[@ianluk6385]

@@anoyint the ocean is, technically, edible. Is it palatable? Probably not, especially if you don't prepare that seafood in some manner, but it is technically edible.

[@alexcastellanosleon]

i love the intro, please more of the pitch meetings

[@thedudeone6133]

Matpat should make a new channel where he just posts behind the scenes of different videos. They could put stuff like the research, the meetings, etc.

[@PoneDtheGuy]

"Let me tell you a secret, coffee is just bean soup." - Cooler, they hated him because he told the truth

[@kavukkii]

You beat me to it, you heathen.

[@NotMeCuh74]

@@user-jm6qe6sz2p 🧢🗿

[@heartlessnobody1143]

-Ah lythero! my favorite Voice actor!- Ah Zyzx_! my favorite side character!

[@zionfultz8495]

OBJECTION, it isn't bean soup it is seed soup

[@MineCreeperLPs]

@@heartlessnobody1143 Wrong that was Zyzx_ It was in a Lythero video.

[@slipperywhale2486]

We recently had a discussion over the difference between sandwiches, hotdogs, tacos, cereals, soups, and salads in my AP physics class.This video is very timely.

[@chris-p5013]

just took the ap physics 2 test last friday - how was urs?

[@kthrnas]

friend's AP physics class often has discussions over whether cereal is a soup or whether cheesecake is a pie. interesting how it's always that class that has the weirdest food debates!

[@darkarcmiley3388]

I love the meeting intro. Please post more of those!

[@actualaspienc1279]

THEORY IDEA: Are products that contain coffee (energy shots, candy bars, other things like that) as effective as a cup of coffee? I ask because I’ve had the Kit-Kat Mocha duos and have felt the effects as one would after a cup of coffee (which is odd because caffeine doesn’t wake me up, yay ADD) so I wonder if it’s really something about the coffee that can just be put into ANYTHING and it have the same effect.

[@godaistudios]

The problem with the "fruit seed soups" is that the seeds are all consumed in the examples. In that respect, it's closer to a broth than a soup. But somebody else commented and it's far more correct to a term that applies to both tea and coffee. Infusion. We are drinking an extract, which is not a soup.

[@anothergol]

I was gonna say infusion as well, and turns out it's only half correct, it only applies to one method of making coffee, and not the most common one.

[@jypsridic]

The correct term is either decoction if you're classic or extraction if you're modern.

[@professionalsleeper6281]

A broth is a soup tho

[@Boundless-Boredom]

@@professionalsleeper6281 a broth alone is no soup. It is the base to a soup

[@josephcalabro2487]

I was thinking of teas, but those only come from the Camellia sinensis plant, so I thought that coffee could be classified as a tisane or infusion like you said.

[@phoneguy4637]

botanically, a coffee fruit ("coffee cherry") is categorized as "drupe" or "stone fruit". it thus falls into the same botanical category as the cherry, mango, prune and apricot.

[@phoneguy4637]

@@megadog9305 wrong. a berry doesn't have inner seed chambers like the coffee fruit does. a berry is filled with fruit flesh in which the seeds freely "swim". the coffee fruit has as good as no fruit flesh, but rather hides two seed chambers with a pair of seeds ("stones") inside, making it a drupe. in the wild, coffee fruits often contain only one seed, having two or more is a result of modern selection and breeding. please do your homework.

[@ARandomStan]

Have you ever heard of Jordan Schalnsky? Look him up I think you'll love him

[@PetesGuide]

So it’s a bisque?

[@ricardoferns56]

I feel like this is less of a food theory and more of a food clarification and that opening was so excellent. So well edited.

[@ShichuAkotake]

This is my most favorite theory of all time! Discussions in your meeting must be so fun!

[@BobBobson]

The problem with calling it soup is there's typically something in soup other than just flavored water. Like your example of tomato soup, it's generally pureed tomatoes with seasonings, not water that's had a tomato briefly in it. You know, that's a wonderful idea for an episode. You and Steph can try tomato soup made like coffee. 4 minutes of mashed tomato in some hot water that's ran through a coffee filter to take out every bit of solids. Coffee is not soup. Coffee is an infusion, which is an option you neglected to mention. Tea is also an infusion.

[@FriendB]

Yes, exactly! I was looking for this!

[@mmnnnnnmmnnnmnmn6067]

The best kind of correct

[@heyspookyboogie644]

That’s exactly the way I was looking at it too. I’m amazed they completely left tea out of the discussion when that’s the closest comparison to coffee. I’m still not convinced they got this one.

[@darladay4766]

It's a broth, which is a soup

[@Ketharuil]

IT'S BROTH

[@rogervanaman6739]

Just to be clear, there is coffee gravy. It's called red-eye gravy. Made with coffee and (most often) ham and made primarily in the southern US.

[@user-lk2ex7ng8r]

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[@charlie_claire_comedy]

Oh man red-eye gravy is good

[@riverpubby]

I honestly love the insight into the theory processes, i would love to see more discussion stuff like that!! (Even post episode releases!!)

[@thekingspaceworm]

I watched the intro in .25 speed, and I just realized how much effort is put into that intro. Great job for whoever made it!

[@fabricdragon]

as a note: Turkish coffee DOES actually contain the ground coffee... and while you dont ingest all the sludge at the bottom of the cup, you do eat some. its also best seasoned with cardamom

[@JaceArmek]

I'm glad someone else noticed that.

[@eagleleft]

so then turkish coffee is a puree?

[@eyal01245]

Turkish coffee is commonly referred to as "mud coffee" and i hate it

[@gapetheapegod7976]

@@eyal01245 Turkish coffee or it being called mud coffee

[@Tenshi6Tantou6Rei]

it is a puree

[@bunksoup8137]

Not all coffee is boiled/simmered - you’re leaving out cold-press. Isn’t coffee most similar to tea? If so, I think tea is a fundamental enough category to need no further reduction. Otherwise tea is soup too.

[@jonathanodude6660]

nope, tea is a specific category. it always refers to leaves, and it often refers specifically to the leaves of the tea tree. youre probably thinking of an infusion which was debated in a higher comment.

[@zhazan42]

@@jonathanodude6660 Raspberry Hibiscus tea would like to have a word with your manager.

[@jonathanodude6660]

@@zhazan42 “often”

[@mr.bennett108]

@@jonathanodude6660 Wrong. If you take dried mushrooms and boil them to reconstitution, the left-over liquid is called "mushroom tea." However, because the bean is roasted, not dried, it's probably more accurately classified as a "liquor" than a tea.

[@dmark8993]

@@zhazan42 doesn't tea have a lot of variation like herbal tea,fruit tea etc.???

[@MrCapybara227]

I love how Dan in the beginning was like don’t say that! I was laughing so hard from that

[@setheaves9608]

I come back to this opener so many times. I don't know which is better: Dan angrily screaming "Don't say that!" or Tom and Jason just sitting quietly and enjoying the chaos

[@thegammagamer3776]

I feel like "tea" would be a more apt definition, seeing as tea is made by soaking the parts of a plant in water: "leaves, roots, etc" And some teas ARE made with the seeds of a plant rather than the more common components. edit: Also fruit soups generally end with those seeds still floating around, whereas coffee is filtered through the "beans" but never actually contain the seeds themselves.

[@kyoxtohru112]

Yes and teas and coffees usually are classified together cause they both are extractions from plant products. Honestly the closest thing on the list given was broth, cause with the seed soups they still have the seeds in them. Either chunky or ground finely to a puree with hot liquid added to make it filling.

[@Sam-rj2qn]

So is coffee tea or tea a coffee?

[@tanyacarbajal3597]

Yes. I expected him to cover this information and end in tea as the answer But I feel he stopped investigating and cut the video short.

[@Merennulli]

By the mental gymnastics of this episode, tea would either be a soup or broth in MatPat's book. I think it's safe to say the crux of this episode was choosing to ignore that it's served as a beverage under the flimsy argument that part of some soups can be drunk...specifically the broth...which he ruled out coffee being... Nothing wrong with it as entertainment, but this is "Sans is Ness" level theorizing.

[@mongoose9851]

@@tanyacarbajal3597 Coffee is a type of tea. Tea can't be coffee because coffee only comes from coffee beans, while tea can come from an endless variety of plants.

[@haeherfeder0221]

Well I was expecting a cereal-soup theory but… coffe?

[@v.crowley]

Already discussed cereal-soup .. it's not.. because cereal doesn't involve cooking

[@FlowerMcBoi]

This is interesting

[@malym9494]

Yeah

[@malym9494]

@Zis co bot

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@@benito23453 bot

[@La-Lloyd494]

The "DON'T SAY THAT" kind of caught me off guard

[@regentgray762]

I love that you showed the meeting, I wish you did it more ;-;

[@dunlopchop54]

*Extracted "coffee juice" would actually sound like the healthiest alternative to what I have right now since they don't have to always follow the laws of carton juice*

[@lilkeefmusic]

6:18 "I prefer the IV bags!" BRO NO I CANT IM DEAD.

[@davejrgraham8988]

IV dripped of coffee

[@Songman-xj5ix]

‘Technically correct: the best kind of correct’ How has Matpat never done a Futurama episode on Film Theory. Is Fry a secret genius? Is Planet Express Delivery Service actually profitable? So many cool ideas!

[@Wolffang1996Hyano]

came back to rewatch the beginning of this video. It's hilarious & I love it.

[@michaelnelson1127]

It’s official! Dan is my favorite member of Team Theorist! He is seriously hilarious, especially when it comes to ‘absurd comedy’. Not that I didn’t find him funny before this (he was my favorite part of the Tootsie Pop and Mountain Dew episodes), but the recording booth scene cemented his position as my favorite.

[@theoutsiderjess4869]

He was my favorite after he took over for Mattpatt when he was sick

[@TylerNovakYT]

He has his own YT channel called ThatCybertChannel

[@michaelnelson1127]

@@TylerNovakYT Don’t worry; I’ve been subscribed to his channel for years.

[@TheOrigamiGenius]

6:07 Dan: I appreciate the advice but I'm not gonna listen to it Me: Seems like something I'd say

[@zoezilla3710]

I truly wish my 83 year old grandma lived long enough so I could argue with her about the validity of coffee being a soup it would've been good times..

[@abha9002]

Same thing with me and my Grandpa, this seems like exactly the thing we would debate about over breakfast

[@ihavespoken_shorts]

"DON'T SAY THAT!" Golden Moment! I literally rolled off my bed, laughing.

[@winchesters4life34]

I loved that opening, seeing how theory videos are made is so interesting

[@capture_diaries]

Since the only hiccup this theory is that the word "soup" is commonly used to describe food and not beverage, I would say coffee is a lot more similar to tea. In fact, some coffee brands even sell coffee grounds in little baggies for you to brew as you would tea. Besides, most soups typically needs to have more than 2 ingredients to be called "soup". Maybe "broth" is a much closer comparison (also, one "sips" both coffee and broth, while soup is "eaten" or "slurped"). To me though, coffee is a "fruit-seed tea". Maybe Dan is right. But hey, that's just a theory...A COMMENT SECTION THEORY...aaaaaaaand *click*

[@justinwhite2725]

Tea requires tea leaves. Herbal tea requires herbs. Coffee seeds are neither.

[@demetrian7856]

Well tea can also be classified as a soup, so I don't get this point.

[@lennaerthondelink7374]

Nah I be drinking my soup

[@dinamosflams]

also with soup you never filter them and eat the content/ingredients that were used aswell and, as matt straight up said, people don't ever eat the paste that was used to make the coffee

[@patax144]

yeah in spanish we have this term, "agua aromatica" aromatic water, we use it when we talk about hot beverages based off fruits, and herbs, and whatever might aromatize the water, for me tea and coffee are part of that group, but because of their extra popularity they have their own label.

[@liamtyler10]

You guys should do an episode on the hydrating / dehydrating effects of differing caffeine content of coffee, and prove whether it hydrates you more or less than the counteracting diuretic effect.

[@NotSoNormal1987]

I've gone days and weeks without anything but coffee and caffinated soda. If it was dehydrating I'd be dead by now.

[@carlchapman4053]

Greggs in England found a legal tax loophole because 'Hot food' has a higher tax band than 'cold food' and even cooked foods put on unheated shelves (such as bread) count as 'cold food' so they get around the rule by heating the display counter when empty, turning the heater off before opening the shop and putting the freshly baked foods in the (hot but no longer heated) display counter it stays warm without actually heating the food, so it can be sold as 'cold' at a lower tax band.

[@MaxRobertoErikson]

Regarding soup as a beverage, I actually drink tomato soup out of a mug every morning as part of my breakfast.

[@kitkat25195]

Yo me too at night!

[@AmyraCarter]

Yum.

[@arborealmole8079]

While I haven’t watched the full video yet, I do have several other questions along the lines of the title- Is cereal a grain salad? Is ketchup a jam?

[@drewe2331]

There's a lot more to unwrap on that ketchup question. Historically ketchups are sauces made but preserving something in vinegar. Mushroom ketchup was very popular for a long time. What we eat is tomato ketchup. What CAN be posited is that mustard is ketchup.

[@KrepsyK]

Yes? I think?

[@pressplayulysses]

Is mayonnaise an instrument?

[@topazlynx2228]

Well that is a good question, is Ketchup a jam? Cause if it is that means there is a jam I like.

[@belmontparkers]

Jams are just Jellies with seeds. Jams/Jellies are mashed or pureed fruits mixed with sugar and pectin/gelatin and then left to thicken into a mass of wobbly rigidity. Ketchup is missing the pectin/gelatin and flows... so no.

[@Okzicoton]

11:02 Gotta get that Egussy Soup

[@nathanaelutz4566]

I love that behind the scenes stuff at the beginning

[@Ahab1765]

Two things: 1.Coffee is a fruit seed liquid extract, but 2."Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is understanding that it doesn't belong in a fruit-salad" Or we could just call it a brew. Beer, tea and coffee among other various concoctions of the boil and bubble variety.

[@M_S_Blanc]

I've always been told point 2, but I've been thinking lately... Tomato is botanically a fruit. A mango is a known fruit, and so is a pineapple. Peaches too. And Jalapeños are also botanically fruits. I would argue that a salsa IS a fruit salad! That's actually another episode idea: "Is salsa a fruit salad?"

[@carpdog42]

Ahh bit Charisma is being able to convince your friends that tomatoes are actually an even more traditional component of fruit salad than they are familiar with.

[@LokiScarletWasHere]

Charisma is the ability to sell a tomato-based fruit salad

[@jeandevine7835]

Actually, tomatoes do belong in a fruit salad if the fruits being used are what we normally call vegetables, but they have seeds and are technically fruits. 😉😁

[@paulblichmann2791]

Akxschually...if the tomatoes are really really ripe cherry tomatoes, it could be quite delicious.

[@nerdyfoxes8000]

Mat: "Amy's chuggin' her *bean broth* right now" Dan: And I took that personally. Edit: Wow, I just looked back at this from like 4 months ago and it has 1.3k likes. Uhm.. thanks! A lot!

[@blockhead3585]

im not liking because this has 696 likes

[@nerdyfoxes8000]

@@blockhead3585 Should've stopped at 666 likes tho. Or just 69. A shame, a shame

[@baysingerfam4]

I'm going to ruin it and be the 700th like

[@nerdyfoxes8000]

@@baysingerfam4 Excellent

[@jmurray1110]

Let’s go to 6969

[@lebowskigaming5240]

As someone who works for a popular coffee shop, it would be great for marketing if we rebranded as a soup shack!

[@aerialapexgamer3121]

I want to see more of the cold open! I almost feel like you guys could have a Podcast of just discussing video ideas

[@cica517]

Wouldn't it technically be tea? I mean tea would also have to be soop by this logic, but like you said soop is a word to describe food, not a beverage. But we already have a word for making hot beverages by putting in stuff for only flavor, and taking it out before consumption: tea

[@talesoftableiii1584]

I was thinking of this, but I think that tea technically has to be made with leaves. I could be wrong about that, but I think no. Though I will say that Infusion would work better than soup imo.

[@TheCowboyMartyr]

dawg had two chances and didn’t spell it right either time lmao

[@TroublesomeOwl]

No .. tea is made with tea leaves. there are a lot of things that masquerade as "tea". most of the herbal teas are not really tea, but would fall under the same category as coffee does.

[@maximelepage7664]

Tea is made with tea leaves. Herbal tea are not tea same as coffee isn't tea. The 3 of them are infusion though. The big question that needed to be addressed in that episode is "are all infusion soups?"

[@berryman5145]

Like tea, coffee is an infusion, but no, I don't think coffe is tea.

[@r4nd0mguy99]

“légume” is literally French for “vegetable”, so it’s weird that it’s specifically a name for beans. Coffee being a soup makes sense, but the biggest difference is the filtration. You don’t use a filter for soups.

[@zhazan42]

You might, especially when you're skimming raw bone broth at home through something like a cheese cloth. I always thought of coffee more as a type of tea!

[@crazysasha1374]

I'm pretty sure the French word for the word "legume" MatPat is using here is "légumineuse", which as you can see shares the same root-word.

[@nienke7713]

@Marcus W bone BROTH, not soup

[@nienke7713]

and if it doesn't use tea leafs it ain't tea, no matter how many people misuse it

[@mikeallevesque18]

Funnily enough, a legume in French is légumineuses and is plural by default.

[@minetomek]

I love how many references are in the intro!

[@Insane_GlassesGuy]

Gotta love the delay in the phone call before Dan get’s mad at “bean broth”

[@Lumberjack_king]

0:09 the fact that this is a normal work conversation for them

[@BlackSunCompany]

Quick point of order around the 9:28 mark - what you're considering "normal, rational" coffee is very limited in scope and not universal. There are many different ways to prepare coffee that still include the grounds in the final drink. Have you ever had Turkish-style coffee brewed in a cezve? Because the grounds are extremely fine and still in the pot while poured and served, the resulting brew is thicker and richer (especially with the foam, quite similar to the crema you get with espresso) than you get with drip coffee. It's closer to a puree than a soup.

[@edim108]

I was about to comment that. There are so many ways to prepare coffee and the "normal, rational" way of running hot water through ground coffee beans in a coffee filter is a very modern invention and robs coffee of much of its flavor. Been to Istanbul a couple years ago and had the best cup of coffee in my life! It was so much more than that coffee bean flavored water that comes out of a filter... And supposedly it's good for your health bc you're actually drinking some of the ground seeds which contain a lot of minerals and vitamin.

[@animefans2420]

The beginning was reaaaally cool cause its cool Too see how they make the epesodes Oh and thank u all people who work on these videos We all love ur work keep going ❤

[@losmidos8756]

As a 6 year barista, this just fills me with joy. all my customers technically slurp up my seed soup. that sounds so wrong and i love it.

[@micahphilson]

Infusion: "a liquid extract... prepared by steeping or soaking." Infuse: "to steep or soak (leaves, bark, roots, etc.) in a liquid so as to extract the soluble properties or ingredients." Coffee is an infusion. Not a soup.

[@alexhutchins6161]

Nice. This comment should be the number 1 putting and end to this video.

[@reychiu2581]

Wouldn’t it be both?

[@alexhutchins6161]

@@reychiu2581 if it is soup. Does that mean all kinds of coffee are soup

[@alexhutchins6161]

@@reychiu2581 is cold brew soup. Is instant coffee soup. If instant coffee is soup then wouldn't that mean things like Gatorade ate soup. While the definition of soup can work on some types of coffee. The most common one for sure. It does not include all kinds of coffee. So when 2 does work. We choose the one that works the best. And if one does not work all the time then it is not the best.

[@alexhutchins6161]

@@reychiu2581 how would you define soup to include instant coffee?

[@zwelinzima5134]

Food Theory Idea: My family and I have recently discovered that Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate tastes different depending on what country you buy it from. We tried it with Australian chocolate vs South African chocolate. Australian chocolate tastes like it has more sugar, while South African chocolate tastes like it has more coco. I would be interested to know why this is the case, and if it's the same in other countries.

[@araara6388]

It’s because of food regulations and where the chocolate was made

[@zwelinzima5134]

@@araara6388 Ahhhhh okay. Interesting, where did you find this, I'm curious?

[@araara6388]

@@zwelinzima5134 becuase of local distabutioning and i used to work at a stockware house for a food retailer in australia

[@zwelinzima5134]

@@araara6388 ohhhh okay, that's really cool!

[@Gamerz4LifeX]

These channels literally exist to make question the very exitance of things, and also myself because I'm just now learning that coffee is... soup like why!?

[@JasonSmith-fr2jy]

That opening has me dying lol Dan, I agree with you but let's see if matpat can change my mind.

[@felipew101]

I've had "coffee fruit" before, when I lived in Indonesia, it actually tastes good, so I was a bit surprised that the "coffee juice" failed. Also in Indonesia, kopi tubruk, coffee made with superfine grounds, have the grounds left in the cup to settle on the bottom. I assume many other cultures do the same.

[@Zarvain]

In the United State's "old west" times that was how coffee would be made, just add grounds to boiled water and drink the gritty mess down. If memory serves I had a (late) uncle who insisted on doing this. I think he was just weird but to each there own, not like I am drink a brew of muddy water.

[@anonymousse4138]

Ever had turkish coffe

[@avoidant560]

Kopi luwak is good.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

Nothing specifically to do with this episode, I just wanted to say that you can do all the kitchen segments as many times as you want. It's fun seeing the process live and having Steph in an episode is always a delight.

[@jmurray1110]

The bill may be an issue

[@L16htW4rr10r]

And the prep time for it

[@Lunar_the_enby]

spiff's chat: IS COFFEE SOUP OR TEA???? +insert arguing and calm debating+ matpat: here you go, an answer.

[@speedwagon1824]

The taxonomic meaning of "bean" doesn't matter in normal speech. Coffee is bean soup, or ladybugs and bees aren't bugs.

[@X-SPONGED]

0:39 Dan's Wife : "All Coffee are Soup !" Editor Dan : _"If it's Beans, IT'S A DRINK !!!"_

[@barethor5869]

Technically coffee being soup necessitates that it is also a broth, as the liquid portion of the soup is call the broth.

[@derrickwolters8694]

Would you call tomato soup tomato broth?

[@neen2660]

@@derrickwolters8694 that’s more of a blend than something being infused into water via heat

[@derrickwolters8694]

@@neen2660 My point is that not all soup is broth, which I believe you just made for me.

[@kenwillen9230]

Not really. This would fall under broad vs specific definitions. A broad definition would be like rectangle while specific would be square. All broths are soups too, but not all soups are broths. Considering for it to be a broth it has to use bone, meat, or vegetable. A soup operates under much less specific terms, and therefore the opposite is not true. Broth is to soup what square is to rectangle.

[@sophie3869]

@@derrickwolters8694 tomato soup is a cream soup made with broth. Often chicken broth but sometime vegetable broth

[@angeliasweet9403]

The begining always gets me!! 🤣

[@callmelathu]

Can we just agree that this is the best food theory ever besides the prime cake one lol

[@luisvinci]

For me and my girlfriend, coffee is like tea. An infusion of coffea's seeds and boil water with the option of mixing other ingredients like sugar and milk.

[@jewbearidk]

honestly, idk why the idea of tea didnt even come up, it fits the way you make and consume coffee better than any of the other words he went on a rant about

[@testerwulf3357]

You’re actually right! It’s a tea not a soup

[@dragonsknightofthefallen]

That leafs the question though, is tea a soup and/or broth? According to this video, I'd say so

[@nienke7713]

except that tea requires tea leafs, if there are no tea leafs from which flavour is extracted, then it isn't tea. Many people use "tea" wrong for any extract/infusion, but they're still wrong. If I order a mint tea, I want actual tea flavoured with the addition of mint, not some sad cup of hot water with some sprigs of mint plunked into it.

[@DanielBohnen]

But tea is just leaf soup

[@themasked7537]

Hey, heres an idea: you should do "The Mini Theorists" Where you answer not a big question, just a lot of mini theories that's requested by the community about any subject.

[@key_bounce]

So this is what your meetings look like? Interesting. Can you show us more of these behind-the-production-team discussions?

[@lucid111]

watching this while drinking coffee gives me 50 additional years to my life