Ford F-150 Hybrid vs Chevy HD Diesel Ike Gauntlet - This Was NOT Supposed to Happen!

[@TFLtruck]

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[@dolanschmidt356]

@Allen Tokyo 8⁴ì

[@Davido50]

Ford did excellent!!

[@DanielJaegerFilms]

This is what I like to see, trucks pushed to the max. It’s overheating! Should we pull over and rest?? No keep going!!! 10/10 dedication 👍

[@JohnDiMartino]

It didn’t overheat btw it got close enough to derate which it did and even while pulling the temps came down and it quickly went back to full power .

[@RadDadisRad]

It’s nice to see a truck cut power when it’s doing what it’s supposed to be able to do.

[@RadDadisRad]

@@JohnDiMartino I’d bet it did overheat it just didn’t shutdown. When they get that hot they boil over.

[@brianthompson9485]

@@RadDadisRad, you would have seen steam everywhere then.

[@MrPland1992]

@@brianthompson9485 no you won’t. It will keep building pressure until the radiator or hoses explode

[@InlineFlix]

I feel like the crew doesn’t appreciate Andre as much as they should. What a guy.

[@Redbusser40]

I total agree Andre is the coolest of all them actually!

[@68061678]

Andre for the win he needs to run some of his own shoots

[@2015_Rubicnn]

Where do you get the crew doesn't appreciate Andre from?🤷🏼‍♂️

[@InlineFlix]

@@2015_Rubicnn they just clown on him sometimes or cut him off when he gets excited

[@2015_Rubicnn]

@@InlineFlix Ok, well I think that's just in good fun. I'm sure they appreciate him just fine, he's in most of their videos after all.

[@winkdinkerson7190]

Kent looks like he just finished a barn raising event at the local Colorado Amish Community. Will now refer to him as Brother Kent.

[@gregc9220]

Lol! I like it brother Kent

[@slmjake]

@@gregc9220 you nailed it! From now on Brother Kent!!

[@MrTruckTV]

@@robz361 Bless your my sons

[@TheUnsureFox]

Brother Kent it shall be! Love it. Apparently, Brother Kent approves. 😎

[@donleamon8653]

Doubt he gave up drinking

[@Jassman3536]

Ive had diesels since 96. In 20 I switched to a 20 F250 w 7.3 and have been pleased over all. She's no diesel but everything I pull is 15k or less. The only thing I miss is the downshifting of the exhaust brake at say 10k pounds or more. Cost of operation vs diesel is drastically less from oil changes, filters, admission stuff.....Win Win for the gasser.

[@cordellroberson532]

I found the 7.3 did really well with compression braking especially compared to other gassers in that particular segment. The hemi is a complete joke it goes into four-cylinder mode and begins to bleed all of its compression going downhill basically the same as dropping the vehicle into neutral 🙄🙄.

[@tonesdef]

Looks like they are going to twin turbo the 7.3. I think diesels days are numbered.

[@BIGGIEBAG-XL]

What’s your fuel mileage like? I’ve been interested in the 7.3

[@Jassman3536]

@@BIGGIEBAG-XL When I first got it I was getting 13.8-14 and solid 16's at 73-74mph. It took about 3000 miles to loosen up. I have since put a Carli level 3" spring lift and changed the rear block to a 3.25" vs the 2" that came on the 250. I then added 37's vs the 34's that came on the truck. It has just a slight rake and I am typically loaded w 4-500 pound in the bed at all times and looks good. The spring/shock lift rides very close to my older 1/2 ton GMC...much better than stock. I now get high 14's and sometimes get 15.1 on the hwy when I go to my store every day. I am very pleased with the motor it is very responsive and more so with the 5 star tuning I added. This gives me more power, better shifts and adjust the speedo. I also added dual exhaust out the sides...about 10% louder than stock. carlisuspension.com/product/ford/f250-f350/3-0-suspension-systems/2020-ford-f250-f350-4x4-gas-3-0-systems/commuter-system-2020-gas/ 5startuning.com/got-a-2020-7-3l-super-duty/

[@realbigtuna667]

If you can get away with the 7.3, its the way to go. Don't have to deal with all the def/emissions crap they put on these modern diesels that makes them unreliable if you don't spend a small fortune to keep up with the maintenance. Side note, I have no idea how the EPA thinks the diesel emissions systems help the environment. Think of the entire supply chain behind the emissions equipment and def production. Could accomplish the same reduction in emissions with a simple clean tune and avoid the crazy supply chain. Makes no sense to me, but maybe someone can explain the numbers behind the def system stuff.

[@thomasdavis8117]

Gotta respect Andre being willing to cook his own head gaskets for the sake of getting a scientific test.

[@BAYAREAMX]

The truck has fail safe modes to keep that from happening.

[@jabroni6199]

@@BAYAREAMX That’s like saying they have fail safes from preventing you from running out of gas. part of that fail safe is warming the driver and having guages so that the driver takes appropriate actions. The failsafes don’t compensate so that you can continue doing what you did to cause the condition in the first place.

[@BAYAREAMX]

@@jabroni6199 you must not have watched the video. The message they received was “engine temp too high, reduced power” meaning the ecu has reduced power so the engine can cool down before returning to full power again.

[@yankeedoodle7693]

@@jabroni6199 I think you should look into what the PCM will do before you say that

[@jabroni6199]

@@BAYAREAMX I watched the video, you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you continue putting that load on it repeatedly and if they weren’t just about done with the pull, damage will occur. You sound like a Ford fanboy that doesn’t want to acknowledge it’s limitations. You can’t run it like that indefinitely. Period. That fail safe is there to avoid a sudden and catastrophic failure and allow you to time to safely get your truck off the road. There’s a reason why Mr Truck asked if they should pull over and the only reason they didn’t is they were at the end of the climb.

[@northerntoyota7584]

10k on a regular basis warrants a 3/4 ton

[@smrtguy77777]

Only if it’s not a Toyota..

[@titirititiri6360]

@@smrtguy77777 exactly

[@Cody_AT4]

I tow 8-10k with my 2012 Sierra Denali with 6.2, it does just fine. But I agree if it was used commercially, needs a 3/4 ton for sure

[@ericeckley5615]

@@smrtguy77777 The difference is Toyota really overbilled their stuff so the Toyota 1500 is almost like a 2500 from anybody else, hence the reason why I want Toyota to builder 2500 just so I can see how beastly that thing is and it needs a Cummins in it but ultimate HD truck then.

[@cordellroberson532]

Exactly what Mr truck said.

[@anthonyc1883]

Andre: "This is my personal truck. What do you think?" Mr. Truck: laughs

[@nabatron21]

Laughs in tow mirrors

[@LB63Brav]

Ignores overheating

[@WillC299]

So your conclusion is a diesel super duty pulls a heavy trailer through the mountains better than a half ton. Shocker.

[@gabriellawler6354]

I know 🤣 thought the same thing

[@gabriellawler6354]

L5P vs a gas eco boost or maybe a coyote..

[@allankelly-watt4633]

@ 4:19 They state the reason why they did this test. Viewers keep asking if they should get a 1500 or a 2500 for these weight category of loads. AKA how much of a difference should one expect between the two trucks.

[@WillC299]

@@allankelly-watt4633 10k pounds is at the upper limits for all half tons anyways. My hitch on my f150 has a max tow rating of 10k pounds with a 1k pound pin weight using a distribution hitch. I would never get with in 70% to 80% of those numbers just for safety purposes alone. Never mind the possible damage that could cause to my truck.

[@jamesstark5200]

I think it is also settling the 1/2 ton people who say “my half ton can pull that fine.”

[@rmwaye]

I've learned so much about trucks by watching Andre and Mr. Truck. Y'all keep up the excellent work.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@nlpnt]

Tow like this every day, get a 3/4 ton. Tow 10k once every few weeks, get a 1/2 ton. Tow 10k less often than that, get a Civic and rent a truck when you need it. Overheat U-Haul's pickup instead of one you own.

[@specialopsdave]

I like this line of reasoning, and agree wholeheartedly, especially since U-Haul pickups are almost always 2wd, 2 door, long bed and max tow package, they would pull much better than most F150s thar currently exist

[@Encourageable]

People that like trucks aren’t going to get a Civic tho. Trucks aren’t exclusively for work anymore - not for the last 10 - 12 years. They’ve replaced sedans for the most part.

[@shitloveaduck]

@@Encourageable - Yep!! So true,,,,!

[@specialopsdave]

@@Encourageable And that is a bad thing that we should try to change, it wastes a lot of energy, and wasting energy is something we should strive to avoid as a society.

[@niceguy4928]

Thanks for your opinion nobody wants

[@gildeleon4159]

“Mr. Truck” doesn’t notice the engine overheating 😳

[@Rod-vj6dd]

I agree also.

[@RadDadisRad]

Being a new truck with the tow package you really shouldn’t have to worry about overheating when pulling below the tow rating.

[@Tylnorton]

@@RadDadisRad It was hot outside and it's not uncommon to see a vehicle especially a hybrid to overheat a little while under some serious loads, even if below tow rating.

[@LittleMissLeared]

That's because it's Andre's truck. 😅

[@BigPapaHomer]

You don't worry about the temp gauge until the lights turn on lol. Mirrors are quite important

[@jmc6000]

I think Mr Truck hit the verdict dead on the money at the end! If you towing that much weight all the time DONT GET A 1/2 TON!! Be smart people!

[@Torsee]

Smart? What’s that meaan? 😂

[@slmjake]

You are right! All hype and marketing in the half ton world

[@shitloveaduck]

Depends on where you live. If you don’t have these extreme hills, the 1/2 ton is fine. I have towed for 45 years. I said with the current 1/2 tons I would never tow over 7,000 lbs and any more I would get a 3/4 ton. Well I have to change that to 8,000 lbs. especially where I live. I have a 2021 F150 PowerBoost Lariat FX4 with a small lift/level with Roush/Fox suspension levelling kit and 34” tires. I have a fibreglass canopy on the truck as well. I bought an Arctic Fox travel trailer that’s just under 8,000 lbs loaded. I have had no issues, even yesterday with temperatures around 90 - 91 F. The truck didn’t overheat, engine, transmission, no overheating. There were minor hills but it’s going to reach over 100 degrees this week and I will be towing still. I have full synthetic in the engine. The issue I run into are the huge winds we can get here, but they do reach a point where it’s ridiculous to even think of towing a travel trailer in, so you park and wait for the wind to die down. No point blowing over. I have responded even to dually 1 ton trucks pulling travel trailers having been blown over in the winds here. So far so good. The truck is stable even in a cross winds and the brakes are strong enough for the trailer I have, which itself has very good brakes. I would never use a 1/2 ton with 8,000 lbs in the hilly country they live in here on the video mind you. I just really dislike even 3/4 ton trucks for the ride. I have a seriously bad back so any length of time in a GM full size truck (terrible seats) or any of the HD trucks can be very painful. I would chose a smaller more aerodynamic trailer and give up 4 season camping. I just still don’t see towing 10,000 lbs with a 1/2 ton. You need something much more stout.

[@tumbleweedking5668]

6500 is the max for most 1/2 tons comfortably on a frequent basis.

[@slmjake]

@@tumbleweedking5668 concur!!

[@deanmorris6679]

You guys need to do these tests pulling a 30 to 34 foot RV weighing 8000lbs to 10,000lbs. Wind drag on a big camp trailer adds much more stress to a truck. Seeing how most people who are buying trucks look to buy an RV to go on family vacations.

[@JT-lu8vt]

I agree . I tow a 25 ft roo t.t. weigh around 6k w/ yukon denali thinking of going back to 3/4 ton.

[@charleswilt7515]

Just replaced a 2014 F150 crew cab /heavy duty payload package (2221#) with a 2021 3500 silverado. The F150 did great with our 24' 5k camper... But the new one will be 36' and 11k

[@REALBanannaman]

You need a 3/4 ton diesel for sure with those loads.

[@mikefoehr235]

Frontal area adds another dimension. Is why i went from a Tacoma to Tundra.

[@bryanwinn15]

It's like pulling a 10 by 10 wall behind you trucks will limit the wall size in fine print.

[@jayleav]

Would love to see a travel trailer series. The sales of travel trailers have been and continue to be through the roof. People are notoriously sold a travel trailer that is too big for their truck or at the very least sold one that’s bumping against all the limits. The series could be used to educate truck owners who are new to towing. Travel trailers aren’t just about weight either, the length and height of them present a whole new set of challenges.

[@MrPland1992]

I can’t believe all the idiots towing a 30ft travel trailer with a Honda Ridgeline.

[@shaneolsen9394]

I agree travel trailers are a whole new beast, definitely different then a flat bed but they do use horse trailers fairly often which are similar

[@thebetterway73]

Great idea for a very useful video series! I see a lot of great sponsorship potential too TFL.

[@rabbitruck]

TFLTow or TFLTrailer

[@chriscannon4628]

Agreed. Twice I've purchased a travel trailer,different sizes, and in both cases our 'reputable' dealer says it's not going to be a problem with the vehicles I had at the time. Afterwards finding out that I was pushing the limits for the vehicle. There's little information for the novice to understand what is safe and I know now that you cannot trust the trailer dealer. There really should be an easier way for the public to get the right information.

[@SM-og9pt]

“Oh yeah had this temp gauge pegged for 5 miles, no big deal Andre”

[@jamesmay5394]

Seriously she was begging to stop for a rest

[@russianacorns8080]

Oh come on if your truck can’t handle getting a little hot you ain’t got a truck you got a Prius with a bed

[@sketchyssk8shop]

Just for fun put rhat 65 ford in front of trailer on one of these tow tests. That way we can see a then vs now test

[@TheRamGuy]

Haha. Yeah man that old Ford wouldn't even come close to the new trucks

[@richsarchet9762]

The 300 wouldn't pull the truck by itself up the hill as fast as it went up on the trailer...and it might burn more gas trying.

[@sketchyssk8shop]

@@richsarchet9762 i dont know. If its in good shape it should.

[@sketchyssk8shop]

@@TheRamGuy thats the idea. See what it was like and what its like now

[@chrisrobinson3494]

@@TheRamGuy It may not be able to pull the kind of weight as today's truck, but when it comes to durability, it has them BOTH beat, it was made at a time when quality & durability were valued, not profit, like today's trucks.

[@robertconrad200]

Andre “well don’t hit every pot hole. What if we lose the trailer and it explodes” 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@WW-wf8tu]

Excellent torture test. The editing is very good. The attention to detail is top notch. I like that TFL has included time stamps indicating where each test point was at for reference. Very professional. Keep it up. :)

[@glasstransport]

I love TFL! After watching a LOT of TFL videos on the Ike Gauntlet, in 2016 I bought a brand new Silverado 2500HD w/Duramax for hauling glass regularly from Denver to all parts Colorado and beyond. 5 years later, I'm glad for the choice I made! She has almost 144,000 miles on the ticker and still runs like the day I drove it off the lot. I run the Ike Gauntlet sometimes 2-3 times a week round trip, and of course Vail pass is on the agenda most every time. THANKS, TFL!!!!

[@noahmcclure2515]

Bruh fake ass tfl

[@billwhiteathome2080]

Imagine how much happier you could have been, all this time, with a Ford.

[@larry309]

Who ever designed that chevy front end should be embarrassed

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

It is fugly!!

[@technolung]

Brought to you by Gillette!

[@korndawggy1801]

Yeah, it reminds me of the face of a jumping spider.

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

I hated it more at first. Growing on me a little.

[@gregw3657]

Lol.. so true!! It's hideous ugly!!

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

It would have been cool to see the actual coolant and trans temp. The trans temp is built into the truck but you can see the coolant temp by adding it via forscan or plugging in a tuner

[@timblack33]

Will forscan turn Coolant temperature on in a 2021. I did it in my 2018 and was amazed at how warm it ran

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

@@timblack33 I don't know, it might but I wouldn't try until someone else has or the spreadsheet is available

[@heberkapcsos7730]

@@timblack33 it’s unreal how warm my 2016 3.5 ran till I put the 170* thermostat in.

[@shaneolsen9394]

This confirms my beliefs of 10k trailers are the practical upper limit of half ton trucks, its doable but really pushes the trucks, just buy a 3/4 gasser if 10k is a normal trailer weight your gonna tow

[@rxonmymind8362]

I did just that. Bought a 2012 Ford F-250 6.2 V8 gas for occasionally towing my 6700lb Airstream. Tows like a dream and even my wife had a turn at the wheel and she commented how smooth it felt. First time for both of us. Of course on really steep hills we only went 35-45 mph but frankly that was fast enough for us and we got there and back safely.

[@shaneolsen9394]

@@rxonmymind8362 I've always believed in over truck under trailer, it never hurts to have a bigger truck than necessary

[@realbigtuna667]

Really, for a 10k lbs trailer you are fine with a 1/2 ton truck unless you live in the mountains. If you are going to be towing in the mountains all the time, you need a 3/4 ton gasser at minimum. The N/A gassers lose a lot of power at altitude though, so you are still better off with a diesel for mountain towing.

[@shaneolsen9394]

@@realbigtuna667 Fine is a stretch, like I said 10k is the practical upper limit, its doable but really pushes a 1/2 tons limits, and honestly the newer 3/4 tons with 8 and 10 speed transmissions do pretty good, obviously a diesel does better but its hard to justify the extra $10k-$13k in price for a diesel if your only towing 10,000lbs

[@realbigtuna667]

@@shaneolsen9394 Ya, the difference in price isn't even accounting for the significant expense to maintain that DEF emissions equipment. When I said fine, should have clarified towing 10k lbs here and there. If you are doing that every day, the 1/2 ton is going to wear out quick.

[@coreyphillips2690]

Wow, this is the first ike type towing test I recall where any vehicle has had high temp issues.

[@socalson7492]

It was 90 degrees outside. I’m sure that didn’t help.

[@coreyphillips2690]

Agreed but haven’t they done other tests with similar temps in the summer? I guess it’s typically way cooler at 11k feet elevation

[@herbb8547]

I think this might be the first IKE test where they used a half ton to pull 10,000 lbs. It seems they usually have half tons pulling in the 6000 to 8000 lb range.

[@obviousgreyman]

@@socalson7492 they said it was only 80

[@upshifter5316]

As an ecoboost owner, Ive been waiting for this day. It’s not real until it overheats. Must gear down and keep the revs up. Stock transmission tuning sends it into overheating on a hot day pretty quick. Big boost = big temps. Hi revs = low boost.

[@acdii]

Yes it does, been there, done that.

[@zonacrs]

Or use the manual down shift over ride. TFL does not because they want to test in tow haul mode. My new 2021 F150 get's to 10'th gear really fast. Haven't towed yet, but I imagine I'll be using manual mode combined with tow haul when I do. Granted mine is a 5.0 NA so probably not as big of an issue.

[@257Tony]

Agreed. My '14 never seemed to run out of power, but it did run out of cooling on warm days with heavy loads. That was the major reason I sold and upgraded to a F250 7.3.

[@michaeljordan4571]

what kind of Garbage engines are ford selling you people?

[@257Tony]

@@michaeljordan4571 Which would you rather have in a half ton, an engine that gets warm towing 10k through the mountains in the heat, or one that will barely move the load? If you were to slow the Ecoboost own to the speeds that the v8 half tons can pull, heat wouldn't be an issue.

[@patriotarborist711]

when your truck is running hot, immediately put the heater on full blast

[@coltheesacker5656]

Yep heater acts as another radiator

[@coltheesacker5656]

heater *core

[@kylelentz3801]

That’s not gonna help enough to get it back to operating temp.

[@patriotarborist711]

@@kylelentz3801 that's not the point. In order to minimize the chance of engine damage, you should PUT ON THE HEATER IMMEDIATELY

[@f1y7rap]

@@patriotarborist711 On older cars & trucks, yes. Modern cars & trucks, not so much. Modern vehicles will go into limp mode, pull timing, de-gas, limit gear selection to prevent significant damage. If you are going down the road, see overtemp, and just turn on the heat then you are doing NOTHING. You have to STOP. When you hit overtemp you pull over, pop the hood, turn on the heater, and Let It Idle. The heat output of the heater core is negligible in comparison to the radiator. Opening the hood allows the engine to shed heat faster and the rad fans to push the heat out faster (as the air has more exit vectors)

[@realbigtuna667]

"Temp gauge is pegged hot. Should we pull over and let her rest?" "Nah, keep her pinned. I know my truck" LMAO

[@silverioarroyo5968]

Just use more speed to keep the airflow up.

[@karlschauff7989]

@@silverioarroyo5968 ... but the engine is already maxed out temperature wise and he didn't lift his foot off the gas. Those gaskets are cooked. I would be afraid to see how hot that engine oil got. Too hot and the oil struggles to do its job.

[@samd1235]

Meh, it's still under warranty.. All good.

[@realbigtuna667]

@@karlschauff7989 Most modern synthetic oil needs to be at least 450 degrees before it starts breaking down. The higher end oils can take all the way up to 700+ degrees. Oil was probably fine, but turbo bearings and head gaskets def took a beating on that one.

[@karlschauff7989]

@@realbigtuna667 The oil doesn't need to reach a temperature where it begins to break down to cause serious issues. Oil that's operating above the temperature it was rated for will become too thin and fail to provide an adequate film thickness to lubricate and protect moving surfaces inside the engine the main bearings being a big one. Also, extreme oil temperatures can negatively affect the anti-friction teflon-like coating on the main bearings, causing the material to break down or wear away (if the oil viscosity is too low due to extreme oil temperatures). Considering the coolant temperature was pegged at max on the guage, the coolant wasn't doing much to cool oil in the oil cooler, leading to extreme heat buildup in the engine oil. Not good for the engine, especially when it's towing 10k lbs.

[@jmanlinc]

This video was one of my favorites. If you only tow heavy a couple times a year the 1/2 ton is a better choice, if you tow every weekend the 3/4 ton is for you. 2 weeks out of the year I wish I had a 3/4, but for the other 50 I'm glad I don't.

[@jacobswearingen4484]

This is super common on Ecoboosts, both gen 1 and gen 2. The cooling system just can't keep up with the heat the turbos put out

[@gbaileyo7]

I towed a Chevy Avalanche on a 22ft car hauler from another state. I was blown away by the 3.5 Ecoboost pulling power and it done fine but I wasn't climbing a mountain with it on the floorboard for 8 minutes either. Its sad that it overheated but how many times will people put a truck through this much torture??

[@henryford2736]

Exactly the reason I traded 3.5L eco for 3.0L powerstroke. The cooling system is better on the powerstroke. The ecoboost has 2 little electric fans just can't keep up the 3.0 powerstroke has big semi truck type fan.

[@jacobswearingen4484]

@@gbaileyo7 mine does it with much less weight. Conditions are usually: towing up steep-long grades, high ambient temps and low humidity

[@electric7487]

You'd need a second A/C system with the evap coils in front of the radiator just to prevent the engine from overheating when towing uphill in the summer.

[@ajjaaron]

I agree 100%. I had to get rid of my 2015 3.5 eco boost due to constant engine and trans overheating. I tow a 27’ travel trailer 6000 lbs over Ike and vail at least 8-10 times per year. Now have a tundra with 5.7. Zero issues.

[@imjco1927]

This is what "review" should be. TFL signature.

[@yoddy0]

You can tow a 10k trailer with a half ton but its gonna feel sketchy af lol. How safe do you want to feel is the question. Thats why you go with the 3/4th ton

[@TS-di5zw]

Yes definitely. But let's face it, Ford in particular deserves to take heat for this because they are the worst at trying to convince everyone that the f150 is really a 250 and is all world at towing. I mean c'mon, 13k on a lighter duty truck and that's all anyone hears them say.

[@Marco-lv8co]

I drive ram with Hemi, never overheating. My brother had a F 150 V6, it blew the head gasket twice. I think Andre is facing the same destiny, if he ceeps pushing that Ford.

[@dundonrl]

Be careful of your oil pump, had 2 of them go out on different 6.4 Hemi's.

[@patrickmartin6977]

Might be why the Ford had the power reduction when it started heating up. Maybe they addressed the issue.

[@davidheckart639]

@tfltruck consider this: A F-150 has 350mm brake rotors and a CGVW of around 17,000 lbs = 48 lbs per MM of brakes. A GMC 3500 has 355mm brake rotors and a CGVW around 35,000 lbs = 108 lbs per MM of brakes. I have serious concerns about the safety of these HD diesel trucks pretending they are big rigs. Not that I think that their brakes will fail outright, but I certainly don’t want to be in front of them when they need to stop!

[@wesshepard]

Dang Andre! I don’t know if I would sacrifice my truck for the cause like this.

[@permagrin8742]

Beauty of a warranty. He even has proof he wasn’t hauling too much or running in the red. Love to see a dealer try their shenanigans with this crew

[@jtomtl]

I would never buy a used truck that been abused like this……. Transmission, cooling system, turbos, almost everything can go wrong after that kind of towing

[@jtomtl]

@The Gooberment-Sucks oh yeah, that’s why it’s best to know the owner of the car, what he/she does with it, then you might have a better idea of the previous life of the vehicle

[@kyleroman6111]

I was thinking the same when I saw it.

[@matthewcarlson2752]

@@permagrin8742 Too many people look at TFL as a reliable source for vehicle information they would have to be absolute idiots to provide bad customer service to them as they are one of the most honest car reviewer‘s out there

[@mohammednuredin4663]

U should test the duallys towing 30k with this outside temperature

[@cordellroberson532]

they will be shocked. this pass is WAYY harder than IKE due to teh temps this time of year.

[@maxracingteam23]

I’d like to see it!!

[@cordellroberson532]

@Xxplicit ram runs really high oil temps (270+) on IKE

[@nickd.9179]

The manscaping ad is F’ing hilarious 😂 so random

[@AnontheGOAT]

I lol’d do pretty hard after the balls comment haha.

[@HoneyBadgerFarm]

Mr Trucks curtains probably don’t match the carpet!

[@rubenbraekman4515]

When the cooling system maxes out before the engine I call that a factory flaw...

[@itimebomb89]

I have a 2017 2.7 Ecoboost. Same problem. Engine has plenty of power. The cooling system is whats lacking. I think fords decision not to give the turbos their own radiator is the problem. The engine coolant runs through the turbos, thus under heavy boost it just scorches the coolant. I wish they would address this problem.

[@brenteason9891]

Fried F-150. If a Ford transmission goes in the red, has to be >260F. They run hot in the “normal” zone range.

[@threepercenter5297]

Those new Chevy's definitely aren't going to win any beauty contest. Not saying that the ford is pretty but I've seen better looking mud fences

[@Bryan-Hensley]

All of them look like crap

[@geley5285]

Wait until you see what the next generation will look like, gonna be a spaceship brick

[@resharddurdley6987]

My brother in law has one, a 2020 2500 danali duramax. Its been in the shop 7 times at dealer in tampa for brake issues and dash electronics.He is looking at trading in for a 2022 F-350 6.7 Tremor....but the order wait time could be 8 months!!!!

[@daveedson8607]

I think GM still uses the designer the designed the butt ugly bustle trunk Cadillac Seville back in the day. Or the guy who did the Pontiac Aztec.

[@waylinvanhalen]

Really fugly

[@bigric5100]

Andrew was legitimately scared coming down the exit ramp. "SLOW DOWN!"

[@StoneysWorkshop]

the transmission overheated I’m sure, I have a 5.0 and going up hills at full throttle the trans temp goes up, here with the turbos that oil is getting hot too, oil temp-coolant temp through roof!

[@cordellroberson532]

exactly.

[@mddunlap03]

In 2018 ford eliminated the auxiliary trans cooler on all f150. A mistake in my book

[@1970351C2V]

@@mddunlap03 There's still a cooler on the 10R80 (2018+) trucks. Instead of sending transmission fluid up front it sends coolant out back. The purpose of this is to assist the transmission in warm-up. It's a much better system overall.

[@philllsxga.7737]

No problems towing with my 5.3 Silverado.. It even stays in 6th gear most of the way... Trans temp runs normal.. my buddy pulls a 20 ft enclosed snowmobile trailer with his 5.3 Silverado his trans temp is normal... No problems in 130,000 miles both trucks no problems...

[@titirititiri6360]

@@1970351C2Vya but didn’t the truck over heat ??

[@phild9813]

Generally half tons are good for pulling around 5-6k pounds comfortably. Rated for much, much more, but not built primarily for that. It’s all about your comfort level and how frequently you tow heavy loads as to which truck you buy.

[@artiedelimitros9443]

I know it sounds like a waste of money but I don’t like to tow more than 2/3 of my towing capacity for safety and reliability reasons.

[@itimebomb89]

I have a 2.7 and I tow 8000+ Lbs frequently. The key is to let the engine rev out and keep the boost down. That 10 speed is likely lugging the engine and making the turbos compensate with huge boost. If i shift manually and keep the rpm around 4000-4500 when going up a grade the coolant stays right at 220. Plenty of power lower boost.

[@justinflohr8856]

Yes!!! Finally Vail pass!! I think that's way tougher for pulling trailers over. Thank you! Great video! Love to see trucks pushed harder. It helps everyone!

[@antonyo7531]

That reaction in the beginning about him being full throttle was so funny

[@nlitenurmind]

A turbo v6 with hybrid batteries *got the job done* , on a hot day. Thanks for sacrificing your Truck, Andre!👍

[@djaftermath4313]

Yeah, more sales for the F-150 coming up! Lol

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

It BARELY got the job done.

[@djaftermath4313]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk True, can't argue with that. It got maxed out though. Almost like "free" advertisement for Ford

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@djaftermath4313 I do like those new hybrid f150's. I can't wait to see what Toyota did.

[@Eric-xe2jn]

I would like to have see this with a non hybrid and see if it reacts the same to see how much power the hybrid system is robbing and if the engine still over heats without it

[@nomadbiker4040]

Recently drove a 20 year old, 40,000lb diesel pusher motorhome with a Cummins ISM 11L up Vail and Loveland pass, it was nearly too tall to go into the Ike tunnel so we took Hwy 6 as a detour for the first time and it was beautiful, waterfalls on the side of the road and there was still snow there in June! it's 12000 feet elevation, higher than interstate 70. Couldn't believe how well that engine performed, like it was at 3000 feet

[@chuckw6099]

The reaction from Andre was priceless. Don't worry Andre, it's still under warranty until Ford sees your video and decides that you were abusing your truck and voids the warranty. The fact is that if you tow heavy loads, but a bigger truck than a half ton. As an old saying goes, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" applies here. Great review guys! I hope your truck doesn't have an problems Andre.

[@KP-hf9vz]

Nice review. Can we see this with a 3/4 ton gas vs 1/2 ton gas? Also what about a 1/2 ton diesel vs 3/4 ton diesel.

[@dustintunis9347]

Are any of the 1/2 ton diesels rated to tow that much?

[@marinusdedreu3833]

@@dustintunis9347 10k yep

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

@@dustintunis9347 RAM Eco diesel 3l 12450 lbs F150 Powerstroke 3l 11500lbs Silverado/Sierra 3l d DuraMax 9600lbs 2016-2019 Titan XD 5l Cummins 12000lbs

[@dustintunis9347]

@@brandedmcgowan9414 - Shows what I know. I thought they were more for MPGs and had lower tow ratings, but I wasn't worried enough about it to Google it. I'd do my research if I was in the market for one.

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

@@dustintunis9347 yes those diesel 1/2 pick-ups were built for fuel economy more so than towing 5 tons (can get double figure mileage pulling which is a bouns)

[@ec6933]

Why do I feel like I haven't seen you two in the ike in forever!?!

[@cordellroberson532]

it was moved from january to this summer due to COVID

[@warrenstephens3705]

"Oh, thats what the little gauge thingy is for.....I guess it IS hot huh"? We learned that a 3/4 ton HD pulls better than a 1/2 ton. smh

[@joshc606]

10k is an in between number. F150’s can get up to 11-12k lbs on towing so I think it’s a far compare.

[@hanksadventures4132]

@@joshc606 that's about the upper limit of the F-150, on flat ground, with the towing package. Andre's truck, realistically, seeing as how it doesn't have the tow package,should only tow about 8,000-9,000 lbs on any kind of grade.

[@8__D]

I believe we all intuitively knew that the HD truck would beat the half ton. This is just for to illustrate the pros and cons of the two

[@rod22lt]

@@hanksadventures4132 He stated it has the tow package

[@hanksadventures4132]

@@rod22lt it has tow haul mode, not the tow package. The tow package adds a trans cooler and additional oil cooler.

[@allanj4576]

Set the cruise control on the diesel, with the exhaust brake you won't need to touch the brakes at all.

[@cordellroberson532]

Yes, but some trucks have adaptive cruise that the presenters may not understand how to change the system to make it normal Cruise without brake involvement.

[@mr.wilson8340]

BINGO!

[@louisschummer931]

The F150 will do the same thing.

[@JT-lu8vt]

My 16 yukon denali has grade braking, curious to see how it works towing a trailer

[@madmattthehatter]

Ya they used to use cruise on these tests. They should go back to that.

[@robertfeaster2698]

Ok. Now compare the Chevy 1500 to a F-250 Super Duty.

[@1fast10r]

It won't overheat like the Ford 🤣

[@specialopsdave]

@@1fast10r Yeah, the computer will just take 150hp away from the engine instead of just getting moderately warmer than normal

[@Steve-yr5vi]

@@1fast10r The Ford didn't overheat, it detected as being used it would have overheated and prevented that from happening. As far as wether or not the Chevy 1500 would run hot and trigger reduced power, I'd say wait and see.

[@tumbleweedking5668]

As long as it's a 6.2 10 speed with max tow let's rock and roll.

[@1fast10r]

Yup Scott easy peasy

[@loganamurray64]

Now try it with a 6.2 or 3.0 Duramax and a 5.7 Hemi and see if they overheat too

[@gabrielsasala1875]

Any of the Chevy gas engines will guarantee overheat, never had a Chevy not overheat, I had a Tahoe overheat in California last month not even towing anything, I think the fact that the license plate is over the big air intake is the reason for the Ford overheating

[@loganamurray64]

@@gabrielsasala1875 My friends towed just shy of 10,000lbs with his 2018 5.3 Denali w/ the 8spd and his didn't overheat. I think it just depends on how hard you push the truck, he wasn't floored the whole way up like these guys

[@seagullsbtn]

Lesson for all those people who like to tow 10k with their half tons. Get a HD truck if you don't want to risk overheating and shortened life span.

[@johnb7430]

If you tow up a mountain... sure 100% agree. But if its just "hilly" or flat... 150 (or 1500) is fine and will get 5-10 mpg better

[@xtrident60]

@@johnb7430 Not to mention running it floored the entire time.

[@harlandurant7014]

Yep even brand new 1/2 trucks I have had to shut off the ac and run the heater at max towing in the summer in Colorado. 3/4 ton trucks have the cooling package to run wide open throttle in the heat.

[@JohnDiMartino]

I had a 2017 3.5 f150 and now a 2020,absolutely zero issues towing 10-13000 lbs occasionally. Both trucks pull it just fine. My other truck was a 2500HD 8.1 L and the occasional Time it was on a job or plowing and I need to move the skid steer or a load of logs the f150 is great.

[@niceguy4928]

You must have a big truck

[@cgrstng]

Can do without the manscape ad!!!!!!

[@TFLtruck]

Hey Eric if you don’t like the ad please support us on patreon. We have to pay our rent and feed our families as well!

[@CC-jo1kw]

@@TFLtruck That is what the Sackler family said.

[@khakiswag]

I’ve always believed if you’re towing more than 7,500 lbs get a 3/4 ton truck. I don’t care what Ford, GM, or Ram marketing say, 10,000 lbs is too much weight for a 1/2 ton. I bet those turbos were glowing red hot on the Ford.

[@melissaclark4912]

Don't worry Ford will up the tow rating next year to blow more smoke up people Asses. That f150 is only good for 5-6k max safely.

[@khakiswag]

@@melissaclark4912 same for GM and Ram, they all too light for those weights.

[@cordellroberson532]

@@khakiswag they weigh the same as 1 tons from the mid 90's and those did 10K fine despite worse suspension, and worst brakes and tires. now we have electronics to assist the driver too.

[@firebry23]

@@cordellroberson532 but in the 90's you only had enough power to to 50mph maybe 55mph. On this road it'd be 35mph

[@cordellroberson532]

@@firebry23 very true, but modern brakes are much better than back in the day too.

[@markmadlena8845]

Tow rating is more about stopping then going.

[@KC9UDX]

And control, due to running out of spring

[@eyesurgeon69]

Not really. Review the SAE J2807 towing standards used by truck manufacturers. Only 1 of 5 testing criterion measures braking. 4 of 5 measure power and control under power. I fully agree that braking is equally important to power while towing, but actual J2807 tow rating is mostly about power.

[@Davido50]

The Ford did outstanding! Thats why I stick to 1/2 ton for my duties.

[@kstorm889]

Overhearing when it's 80 out is outstanding? Pretty low bar.

[@LGBFJB46]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@camclarke9952]

Pile of crap more like it...

[@benmartinez6733]

Great job, you pushed the Powerboost to the max and it kept going.

[@adamharriger5193]

Please do more of these HD vs 1/2 ton comparisons. I’d love to see a series like this towing travel trailers- something in the 7-10k lb range. There are tons of us pulling that type of trailer and wondering if 1/2 ton will suffice or if HD is the way to go. I bet a local RV dealer or even a mfg would be glad to lend you a camper in return for the publicity.

[@melvinhunt6976]

Why? Apple's and oranges!

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

The 3/4 ton will always be better because it is more stable. I have a titan xd and i got my wife a food trailer. We have towed it with an F150 5.0 and a tubdra 5.7, there is no comparison, the titan xd is way more stable, especially in windy conditions. Its a pretty heavy trailer too. My titan xd weighs over 7,000lbs and handles the weight much better. The tundra and f150 didn't struggle to tow it, but the titan xd with the cummins diesel just did so much better. I like my xd because it really tows like. 3/4 ton but rides smoother. Great in-between truck.

[@ricklowers8873]

Let me put it simple…tow 8-10k, 30’* travel trailer in any kind of mountains…only a 3/4 ton will do. Almost burned up a 1/2 ton 5.3 V-8 tow Pkg transmission in 2019. Between Laramie & Cheyenne WY. On a 4-5% slope. Now gave a 2500 HD & tows like a dream

[@SF-fm7ov]

@@ricklowers8873I can't help but think there was something wrong with your 5.3, I have pulled an 8k travel trailer on I80 from Cheyenne to Laramie and up Cameron pass and even Monarch pass. This was with my 2001 5.3 stock Sierra. It got hot a few years ago on I25 up near Winter Park. I replaced the thermostat, water pump, and fan clutch. It has not overheated since.

[@stout_tossme7541]

It has been said, but I am saying it again. It is always better to have more truck than you need. Mr. Truck nailed it spot on.

[@Steve-yr5vi]

I agree, and if someone is regularly pulling more than 7,000 pounds I'd suggest getting a 3/4 vs a 1/2 ton, however if you're normally pulled below 7,000 and that covers quite a bit a 1/2 would work and those rare instances you pull 10,000, just slow it down a bit, going 55 vs. 65 really would have a minimal impact on the trip time and likely the engine temperatures would have stayed mid-range.

[@stout_tossme7541]

@@Steve-yr5vi absolutely. You nailed it. Yesterday I was passed by a lifted F250 doing over 80 mph with a bumper tow toy hauler on the freeway. Just because you can do 80 doesn't mean you should.

[@twowheelsdown2002]

I got my 4x4 Ram 2500 crew cab diesel for $46,000 out the door with an 8 year 120,000 mile warranty. That's less than they paid for a half ton truck. By buying at the end of the year, I really only paid about $4,000 more for a diesel engine, because they discount them more. I looked at Fords, but couldn't find one under $70,000 because they seemed to only have high trim models in the diesel trucks. Most were around 75k. I don't need heated leather seats with built in ball scratchers. For 30 grand I am more than happy to scratch my own balls. LOL

[@williepelzer384]

At about 120,000 miles all Dodges get what I call the death wobble. Front ends are worn out.

[@twowheelsdown2002]

@@williepelzer384 From what I have read that mostly effects pre 2013 trucks. It is also worse if you lift the truck and install large tires. I intend on keeping the stock lift and tire size. I think your info is out of date, and may not be relevant to current model trucks.

[@AnontheGOAT]

Nobody should ever tow a 10k camper with a half ton.

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

6k is about the max for a half ton. They have “car” engines.

[@AnontheGOAT]

@@user-tb7rn1il3q 7k and under 26 feet.

[@jeffforbess6802]

But the guy on tv said I could tow 11k! Are you saying he could be lying to me? Mr. Weinstein would NEVER lie TO me.

[@scottroush8856]

I’d be curious if you locked out any of the upper gears on the F150. Even in tow haul, the transmission likes to upshift or run the highest gear for as long as it can. With the 10-speeds, 8-9-10 are all overdrive gears. I’ll tow our 8500-9k travel trailer up Vail and on 285. Usually Vail I’ll run 235-240 water temp and 5-6 gear and you have to start out on the grade. Get that motor into the higher rev’s to keep the water moving and still run 65mph. The key is to not let the Ecoboost heat up in the first place an manage with the RPMs. I’ve found it actually gets BETTER fuel econs than just slamming the pedal to the floor because the computer isn’t dumping fuel to try to cool the motor down. 285 was a rougher pull until after Kenosha Pass as the hills are steep and they just keep coming with not a lot of recovery for the cooling system. That’s a 45-50mph road but traffic is usually moving slower anyway.

[@scz718645]

Seems like a lot of work baby sitting the truck.

[@timothycc711]

@@scz718645 no it really isn't. You can lock out the higher gears by a couple button presses on the shifter.

[@keithhannah8277]

@@scz718645 Same thing I said to myself. For how much these trucks cost I wouldn't want be watching anything.

[@scottroush8856]

@@scz718645 yes it is. Can it pull 10k, yes and then still get 22mpg around town and not rattle your teeth out. It’s no big diesel for sure.

[@windycitywarrior71]

50k for that Ford? That’s insane. Has the interior of UHaul.

[@Dlo_BestLife]

That an XL man ~ Base interior

[@ciphercode2298]

I imagine the cost in because it's a hybrid.My 2.7 ecoboost fx4 supercrew xl was $40k and that was with the chrome package and mid level interior. Added my own towing mirrors and 10 ply tires. Tows like a dream maxed out at 8500lbs.

[@digitalrailroader]

@@Dlo_BestLife that’s just it, the BASE TRIM LEVEL XL with only a couple of options ticked SHOULD NOT COST what a top of the line King Ranch cost 15 years ago!!!! That just shows you just how greedy and extremely proud Ford is of their overhyped, and EXTREMELY maintenance unfriendly products!

[@madmattthehatter]

No kidding new trucks are crazy... Looks like I'll be keeping my GMC forever now.

[@Dlo_BestLife]

@@digitalrailroader I bought a STX 4x4 eco boost and paid 44 out the door with plenty of options

[@triconner]

I have a 2012 3.5 ecoboost. It used to heat up and cut the boost when towing my 7500 lb camper when going over a mountain. I put a 170 degree stat in it and installed a external oil cooler and it seemed to have fixed it. Highest temp I've seen since the install has been 230 and I was pushing it hard. Best towing truck I've ever had

[@WontHe5786]

Would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I understand most will never ever tow 10k. But even at 6k, its worth the extra feeling of security towing with the 3/4. For short trips at 50 miles an hour you could get by with a 1/2 ton, but that gets old quick.

[@slmjake]

Spot on sir

[@maxracingteam23]

I wish an ike/towing video would come out every week, I love em!! Are they finally fixing that rough ass road going up to the tunnel? If they are I will go that way to California this winter. But I refuse to go there after last year. It was so damn rough!!!

[@brandonknowles99]

$50 thousand for a f150. What the hell I just ordered a f350 with the 7.3l. Xl with stx. 5th wheel prep. Snow plow prep and power everything. Thin battery’s and alternator. $53 thousand. To me for three thousand dollars it’s worth a heavy duty. I don’t know why anyone would pay that much for a half ton!

[@cordellroberson532]

NO ONE buys xl. everyone buys XLT, next up is platinum or KR.

[@peachpole]

Brendan Knowles - I’m guessing Andre got the 1/2 ton because it’s easier to drive around town, gets way better gas mileage and he doesn’t need to pull heavy trailers like this. Nothing wrong with your choice though, the new 7.3 super duties are nice

[@joshuarodrique2096]

Andre also got the hybrid which is a pretty expensive powertrain upgrade.

[@uttamgala7186]

No half ton on the market is worth the money. It makes more sense to get an entry level HD

[@roadglide1142]

I got the same rig STX F-350 ! Nice setup !

[@willschlonsky3468]

This is now the 3rd Ford to have problems towing up hill on TFL. No issues from Ram or GM. I wouldn’t buy an F series truck, not worth the risk.

[@Stevemax07]

Have any other brands had any issues on the Ike while under TFL testing?

[@robertsmida9601]

I wouldn't buy a GM EVER!!! UGLIEST TRUCK EVER PRODUCED!!!!!!!

[@electric7487]

Well that's what you get when you try to make a V6 do the work of a V8!

[@willschlonsky3468]

Not to my knowledge. The f-150 diesel went into limp mode on the IKE An F-250 gasser blew a radiator, and now Andres truck. If there has been other brands to fail, let us know. For the record, I own a Ford car for work.

[@johnt6673]

@@willschlonsky3468 the gasser did not blow the radiator, it was the clamp holding the tube if I recall correctly. Did not see the diesel one. Andres truck worked properly once the temps became to hot. Did not explode did it? It was build to protect it self. Just like all modern vehicles today... Did this truck even have the extra coolers some fords come with?

[@darrelltrammel1623]

I think a better comparison would have been to the HD gas engine.

[@MrTYC91]

I’d like to see that . Gas to gas or hd diesel to hd gas

[@dustintunis9347]

That would have been better, but they test what they are loaned, and in this case Andre risked his own truck to make it a competition.

[@Steve-yr5vi]

I thought this was informative, do you really need an HD if you occasionally actually tow 10,000 lbs? The Ford engine management protected the engine, made it up the hill a mere 20 seconds after the HD. Of course the HD is going to have an easier time pulling the load, on the other hand it's huge diesel fumes are a dangerous carcinogen so for those that are thinking every once in a while I'll tow 10,000 lbs, a 1/2 will work. A 1/2 ton will fit in my garage a super duty or heavy duty will not.

[@niceguy4928]

@@Steve-yr5vi mr knowledge

[@Zach-ju5vi]

@@MrTYC91 exactly, apple to apples not apples to oranges.

[@markburnett8699]

I would like to see this same test with the Dodge, Chevy, and Ford half ton V8s, particularly in warmer weather. Possibly a repeat with the F150 hybrid to see if the issue repeats itself, as I believe that was a bit of a fluke. I purchased an F150 5.0 w/10 speed in 2018. I towed loaded 8k to 10k trailers from TX to VA three times in 2 weeks time. It was April, so temperatures were relatively mild for TX. Overall, I was quite impressed with the performance. Granted, the towing was on the flat and near sea level, but I never once wanted for more power or more control, even during some pretty nasty thunderstorms. Obviously, the F150 could not hold a candle to my F350 dually diesel with TowBoss package, but it was never intended to do so. One big word of caution not discussed during the video is frontal and side area especially in crosswinds. Even a light travel trailer (< 7500 lbs) can be a real handful on the highway in poor weather conditions. I have seen too many campers in the median strips and over guardrails in my travels. Weight distribution and sway control are both absolutely required equipment. Even when so equipped, the half ton will be markedly less stable than the 3/4 ton truck. That said, I have done many cross country trips pulling a 20 foot hybrid camper with a properly equipped Expedition and a few with the F150. The Expedition is a much better tow vehicle, especially stability wise. The F150 suspension and lack of rear weight really shows up in tough conditions. Anyway, I know towing can be done safely and I do it regularly, but you will have much more margin with the bigger vehicle.

[@cordellroberson532]

it isn't a fluke. thin air, turbos screaming trying to hit density targets, EVERYTIME will overheat when combined with high ambient temps. the air just can't get teh heat out of teh rad fast enough and teh AC condenser is DUMPING heat into teh front of it.

[@cordellroberson532]

i wanna see the test with the 5.7 hemi, the oil will get over 300 and slow to 15 mph.

[@markburnett8699]

From both a reliability & lifetime cost standpoint, I will take a naturally aspirated gas V8 over either a turbocharged gas or emissions controlled turbo diesel any day. I still do not understand why Ford does not offer the Expedition with the 5.0.

[@cordellroberson532]

@@markburnett8699 because 5.0 was supposed to be dropped from trucks in 2018. since over 60% of f-150 are sold with 3.5EB

[@slmjake]

Mark you are spot on! Front area and impact of side winds are critical! I was doing the details on ordering an F150 with Heavy Duty Payload package this winter. Crew cab 6.5 bed in basic xlt. Payload was coming back at just under 2500. Cost was $57k for 2021. However dealer had an xl 350 diesel crew in 6.5 bed for $54k. I was going that way but it was sold out from under me! Darn! Ended up leasing a 3.0 diesel gm half ton crew. Powertrain is incredible like the 3.5 in Fords. But the truck ride is so soft and dismal I cant wait to turn this lease in. I buy all three brands and used to favor gms. Not anymore. Small fuel tanks and pillowly car ride and average interior means I will probably try to sell this lease if possible.

[@zachstahl8468]

These videos would be more informative if you ran live diagnostics. A $20 obd2 tool would give live data of all sensors. I would love to see the exact transmission and engine temperatures. I use one on my tacoma, and the transmission temperature swing while going up mountain passes is huge. The transmission temp is a huge factor while towing grade, please try to integrate this infromation!!! tacoma and tundra just deleted the factory external transmission cooler in march2020. It would be amazing if you could compare a pre 2020 with trans cooler to a new one without. Thanks!

[@shitloveaduck]

They have on the Tundra, just not in the same video. They did a Ike Gauntlet in a 2020 Tundra and it ran hotter, but within specs.

[@silverioarroyo5968]

@@shitloveaduck "within specs" they just raised the operating temp range to stay within and it was a light load. and was nearly maxed out temp on its specs.

[@shitloveaduck]

@@silverioarroyo5968 - I agree with you, but that was the result. The Tundra really only has “average” towing capabilities for a 1/2 ton now. Just over 9,000 lbs. I wouldn’t tow much over 7,000 with it though. I had a 2014, was my dream truck, but it turned out to be a lemon! Not many of them are lemons I agree, but I got one and it soured me on Toyota. That and the rotting frames and truck boxes in the rust belts.

[@m1lkman1974]

Great video!! Props to André for sacrificing his truck for the greater good!! :). This was a comparison I didn't know I needed until I watched it!! Keep up the great work guys!! Now for shits and giggles lets do the opposite and use an F-250 Diesel vs GMC 1500 6.2 gas :)

[@MrTruckTV]

Good idea

[@madmattthehatter]

I'd rather see the half ton diesel from all 3 towing.

[@davva360]

7000 pounds would be my limit for a half ton. I tow a 35 foot travel trailer that weighs 7700 empty and about 9200 as we use it for camping. I have towed it a while back with.a half ton F150. Power was no problem, braking was no problem. The main issue was payload, even with just me in the truck it was at the limit and you can tell. Towing with a HD was much better

[@joeh6697]

This is the kind of biased test you have to do to make a GM product look good

[@scotttwood]

I'm a big believer in upgrading the factory transmission cooler if towing regularly. Heat is a transmission killer! Great job TFL and I love that Andre isn't afraid of putting his personal truck on the line for a real world review. Great job guys!

[@Jman11129]

Which is why I question Toyota for taking there transmission cooler out of the tundra entirely for 2019 models and above.

[@jacobking4106]

I agree. My k1500 has a tranny cooler from a hd tow package 454 truck

[@KC9UDX]

I'm a big believer in standard transmissions 😛

[@scotttwood]

@@KC9UDX I'm definitely a fan of standard transmissions. It's really good car theft prevention.

[@adamweingart5527]

Yup we had a Ford with the 3.5 EcoBoost and it overheated towing 6500 lbs doing 71 on the highway in Oklahoma in 85 degree heat. Very disappointed in the EcoBoost. And promptly switched to a HEMI which tows like a dream compared to the EcoBoost.

[@tumbleweedking5668]

My 21 Ram with 3.92 ratio tows around 6500 TT great like you say, squat and fuel mileage is another story.

[@adamweingart5527]

Fuel mileage is always bad when towing. And if you have the air suspension it automatically levels out the truck so you have no squat. If you don’t have the air suspension then yes you will have squat.

[@smithjones1906]

This is what really differentiates TFL. The real world tests! Thank you Andre for using your own truck for this. This is a legitimate use case, and absolutely within the advertised limits of the F-150. It shouldn't have overheated. Would like an explanation from Ford, but I'm sure they'd likely refuse to comment. If TFL/Andre are feeling really generous, they should try to replicate this issue and see if it's repeatable. If it is, that would be one hell of a problemo for Ford...

[@cordellroberson532]

Ford's response: "High Altitude Operation Your vehicle may have reduced performance when operating at high altitudes and when heavily loaded or towing a trailer. While driving at elevation, in order to match driving performance as perceived at sea level, reduce GVWs and GCWs by 2% per 1,000 ft. elevation."

[@cordellroberson532]

so they were overloaded by 22%

[@Contreras-z4e]

How doesn’t he not notice the temp

[@DanBCooper]

I guess it’s the ol “ not my truck… “ lol

[@MrTruckTV]

@@DanBCooper I did notice the flashing red warning words "reducing power"

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

That’s a double negative.

[@douglasthompson201]

Well, actually, he didn't not notice it. It just took a little while.

[@jacksonreid6412]

@@douglasthompson201 Lol

[@rivertonrentalswy]

When you start to get hot Lower your speed and increase engine rpm.

[@Captain-Awesome]

Really, you raise the RPM’s when the truck is getting hot?

[@lostdogadventures2263]

@@Captain-Awesome Only if you have a mechanical fan (i.e. higher engine rpm means higher fan speed). The F150 though has a completely electric fan system which isn't tied to engine speed so in this case you'd be better off with lower engine speed.

[@dirtbike250xx]

They might have meant engine speed to keep the water pump moving faster.

[@davefisher6968]

With those turbos, you just have slow down, more load, more boost, more heat.

[@dirtbike250xx]

@@davefisher6968 Well boost pressure isn't exactly correlated to RPM.

[@mesanders1113]

The 5.0 wouldn't have had an issue with engine heat. I also have a hard time believing the old f100 and trailer combo were 10k pounds

[@terrencejones9817]

My 2014 5.0L F150 3.73 gear max tow struggled with 7500lbs on long grades. Burnt a ton of oil doing it too.

[@peanutbutterpadre1519]

My 13 Ecoboost had no engine temp issues but the trans got hot towing 8/9k lbs up steep hills

[@unconventionalideas5683]

It's because of the altitude de-rating that comes with all F-150s. They were well above maximum towing for that altitude.

[@Jutdees]

This is exactly why I'm considering selling my 2018 3.5 I live in a very hilly area of WA state and on long grades it overheats every time, even in 60 degree weather. No issues when not pulling, no issues when pulling flat. The Ecoboost has power for days especially with that 5* tune but those turbos just heat sink that little motor.

[@Corvious]

Name one area in WA that isn’t hilly. Even out in east in the farm land you’re still frequently changing elevation, just not as rapidly as other areas.

[@jaridlarson5744]

Please do this exact trailer and route with a Chevy and ram half ton. I owned a 2016 ram that when you pushed it hard it never seemed to care. Stayed nice and cool. Oil temp would go to about 275-290 but not overheat. Coolant would stay 220 or less and trans was never above 208-215. I sold it and bought a ecoboost. More midrange pulling power but the longer the grade the hotter it gets. You see a lot of f150 eco boost trucks pulled over towing campers up passes. I feel Ford needs to address cooling better, they have enough power!

[@BrianBourgeois-]

Turbo charged engines struggle with towing heavy and heat. Ford recommends if towing everyday to get the v8.

[@teganze]

So my 6 cylinder turbocharged Cummins struggles with towing?

[@mathieucayer3942]

I believe he meant for small gas engines like the ecoboost

[@robertshunter]

@@mathieucayer3942 Yeah, but that's an issue related to disproportionately small engines, not turbocharging.

[@jimmyaber5920]

Where did you a Ford motor company statement about that?

[@wooddell89]

The 5.0 cannot compare to the EcoBoost when towing, anyone who has driven both will tell you this. It's not a fair fight to compare a large diesel to the PowerBoost. Also, they ran the truck super hard which is cool for a review but likely not real world experience. There's no need to completely dog the truck, although I enjoy it for reviews.

[@kwalt21]

Did 10,890lbs up the hills of West Virginia last week in my 2021 Powerboost. Got 7mpg. The truck did start to heat up going up the hill. You will notice when it starts to heat up the actual temperature will appear below the gauge (on king ranch with digital screen). It did shut down the generator until it cooled down. But it never lost speed up hill and it handled it extremely well with the right weight distribution hitch and sway control. I wouldn't do it every day. But the half ton can do the job. Safely. In my opinion.

[@charliedee9276]

13:20 Mr. Truck, reading the info center on IP, "power reduced to lower engine temputure..." 14:09 Andre, "that's why maybe it wasn't giving us full power because it was getting hot."... Love you guys!

[@skymaster9484]

F150 for fun rd trips great gas mileage light hauling in the bed, 3/4 ton and above Diesel for everything else.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

🤣🤣 you said great gas mileage.

[@sketchyssk8shop]

These are my favorite vids yall do.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks, it was difficult road

[@oblivious2reality520]

In 1999 I was driving a 1995 f250 crew cab powerstroke with over 200k miles on it, with truck and a 26ft fifth wheel weighing over 26k pounds total, up and down the mountains of California on my way to San Bernardino From Palm Dale Regional Airport. I was going 80mph plusvup hill, and 90mph plus down hill. The truck did great. I was in San Bernardino for 3 months driving it everyday from the hotel to work and back. Sometimes driving over 200 miles a day. It had no problems at all. Truck was a beast.

[@Bryan-Hensley]

We had 1999 Ford power stokes at EMS when I worked there. They stayed in the shop more than on the road. Fuel injection issues, 14 transmission failures out of ten ambulances.They were F 350. We had two to crash because of the death wobble. The brakes failed on several. Meanwhile the Chevy 4wd 3500s had one fuel pump failure, not a single transmission failure. Now I own only Chevy 3500 vans and get 450,000 to 580,000 miles out of them. Our EMS still won't buy any Fords again.

[@joshc606]

This was a great comparison! Actually like them hitting some bumps in the roads. 80 deg isn’t that hot btw haha. Thanks for really working that Ford.

[@douglasburford8452]

80 degrees above 10000 feet is hot, there is less air available for cooling.

[@MasonDoctor]

Doesn't actually seem that bad, it actually didn't overheat. It seems to do what modern CPU's do, that is fun at max power and when they heat up they show down a little too they do off. The Ford could have probably done it slower without getting hot and no one would have cared, but Ford got a little more performance out of it at a cost of having to reduce power for a bit, but in the end it was only 20 seconds slower than a diesel that's almost twice as big.

[@user-ne3ze4zz7r]

The little V6 gasser doesn't stand much of a chance in a long distance uphill tow vs a V8 duramax.

[@johnathanleonardo912]

American diesel>Japanese Diesel

[@kstorm889]

A truck overheating when it's 80F is absolutely unacceptable under any conditions

[@325xitgrocgetter]

I do want to thank you for your Ike Gauntlet videos.....my son and a friend are driving to Copper Mountain for some summer hiking. I showed them a couple of your Ike Gauntlet videos to show them what to expect when driving on I 70 past the Eisenhower Tunnel. Even though we aren't in the market for a pickup, the videos do give a great tutorial on the terrain, road and what to expect.

[@highplainsdrifter9849]

Has TRANSMISSION COOLER and still over heats. SMH. Don't take a V6 to do a V8 or Diesels job.

[@cordellroberson532]

well it's teh turbos. the trans is getting hot because teh coolant got over 265F

[@jeffforbess6802]

The config of the engine doesn’t matter. It’s using small displacement, complicated gearing and turbos, to get decent fuel mileage. You could run a large displacement v-6 or straight 6 that would work fine.

[@andrewwells4117]

I think the truck getting hot is all you need to know in order to make your decision

[@beaches2mountains230]

We live in a time were alot of truck manufacturers make good trucks...I drive a duramax 2017 3500hd 4wd and tow about 13k every single day for the past 3 years and have never had one single problem at all !!! Honestly, im shocked because I also pushed snow the past 3 years with it and have had zero issues. Extremely happy with my truck. Thanks guys.

[@MrTruckTV]

You're welcome

[@bobbywalter5320]

I just did this going to Moab and back home from Moab in my powerboost. It did get to 242 deg.....about 228 the number pops up in the gauge. No trans temp issue. Had to slow down to 65....outside temp was 100 deg. For a half ton ....it is better then any 90,s diesel.....handles 10k ridiculously better. Averaged 9.4 over 3k towing miles....10250 ish pounds