We need to talk about Leaving Neverland (review)

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[@ForHarriet619]

I dug into the jordyn woods and ilhan omar fiascos on Patreon. Patreon.com/ForHarriet

[@88feji]

You believe the accusers because you are convinced they are not acting ... thats the flimsiest way of looking at the whole thing ... you will make a very bad judge if anyone had to depend you your opinion on anything frankly ...

[@leroystea8069]

Awww man...really??? I have to have a patreon account for this conversation? Will have to think about this (have a high admiration for Ilhan Omar...would be curious to hear some of your thoughts). How much for the patreon account? Might consider.

[@blackberry4life482]

It's about to be 10 years since his death. They have had ten years to collaborate, put their stories together and make this shit up! Why didn't these people come forth when he was being accused before??? Why wait 10 years after the man is dead and say all of this? They could have even said this right after his death, why now??? I'm not convinced! It doesn't make sense to me!

[@davedonhills53]

Harriet yuh damn fool , black again

[@benisturning30]

I think it’s sad how even you, Harriet, believed these men wanted fame and money. If it were a woman then you would say we need to believe her. If we replace the pronouns then it would sound different. Why would “she” talk about this horrible event just for money and fame. This is why rape victims aren’t believed. And so on. Interesting how this documentary has changed minds in so many ways.

[@rebeccareed5677]

I hate the excuse that “he just loved children.” I am a child therapist and I love children too, but that doesn’t mean I need to have 7 hour long phone conversations with children, have sleepovers with children, or be alone with children without their parents for massive amounts of time. If you really love children then you will display appropriate behavior with children and maintain firm boundaries.

[@somechray3718]

Yes yes yes!!! I'm about to be a teacher, and I couldn't agree more.

[@kush6846]

Jackson never had a childhood, he was born into the music industry. He never had sleepovers, played catch, or spent time with friends. His brothers were all singers (Jackson 5). This documentary is extremely one sided, and the problem is that people are reacting to this emotionally rather than using facts. A crime like this is extremely horrifying, but If you're going to make extraordinary claims, you have to have extraordinary evidence, which the documentary fails to provide. The filmmaker didn't even interview the Jackson families during the production of the documentary, and I find the marketing extremely pathetic (since he died 10 years ago.) I also find it odd that both men defended Micheal Jackson during his trial, but now that he's dead and the MeToo movement started to rise, they can come out and say whatever they want.

[@kkingmusic13]

Fer776rari I agree with both you and Rebecca Reed on parts I do feel as an adult you should know boundaries BUT I defiantly feel Michael was a special kind of person...

[@kush6846]

Yellowlover94 - He was though, I don’t want to come of as a Micheal Jackson Stan, the dude was extremely weird but because of a lack of direction and abnormal come up, it’s not hard to see why. The guy was born to sing, and with his disease that altered his appearance, that would mess anyone up. But this doesn’t prove the fact that he molested children.

[@DanAvenell]

@@kush6846 How many child actors/singers 'never had a childhood'? I don't see any of them acting like MJ did.

[@hannah-nn7wo]

Ted Bundy has been dead for 30 years, and a documentary came out of him recently, and nobody said anything like “he’s dead, why do we still talk about this?” It’s important to talk about these things.

[@illprincess95]

김유겸 are you really comparing Ted Bundy a convicted serial killer, kidnapper, and rapist, to Michael Jackson who we don’t even know for sure committed crimes? Like how is that on the same level?

[@illprincess95]

D W Absolutely not. Inherently I find that wildly inappropriate no matter if there was a crime committed or not. My parents never even let me got to sleepovers at friends house because they worried something might happen to me. So no I don’t have children and I would never put a child in a situation like that where they are vulnerable or where their safety is in question. And I am not at all condoning anyone’s behavior with my previous comment either btw, I am just saying comparing a proven guilty individual to someone who was not found guilty/is only allegedly guilty is extremely strange to me. People really brush off the innocent until proven guilty aspect of law and that bothers me.

[@TrueCrimeDoula]

@@illprincess95 Child sexual abuse IS rape. MJ didn't murder these boys, but he did murder their psyches -- they have profound wounds and lifelong reprecussions from their molestation. So, yes, she is making a good comparison.

[@Nayaniify]

D W the children didn’t wonder in to NL, they were their with their families. And MJ’s bedroom was a two stories house. Kids always following him everywhere, nothing happened with parents consent. Btw Oprah is having sleepovers will little girls and parents are not even allowed. What are your thoughts about thar?

[@kurdaaa6988]

@@TrueCrimeDoula and why are you so sure about the allegations against him? How do we know the guys were sexually assualted when they were young? Did you witness? Äre there proof against MJ?

[@riversonglovesthedr]

I didn't disclose my molestation to my mother until I was in my 30s and I didn't have any of the pressures or risks Wade had.

[@ellcally508]

Exactly! You had more than enough time to process, and no risk of the whole world turing on you.

[@jpmackey1607]

Marcus Scott Balahari This attitude is why people don’t come forward with their stories.

[@trinawalkerspeaks1565]

Marcus Scott Balahari thanks for the example.

[@toffletorte]

i was raped at fourteen and abused by an ex girlfriend for nine months, and i still don’t feel ready to tell my mom what happened (my dad won’t believe me in the first place, so i’m not even going to bother telling him). she just thinks i immediately turned on my ex and didn’t care about her, and my dad has thought for the past four years that i’m a terrible person because i didn’t feel bad about sending my abuser back home across the country (all because she had a two hour talk with my dad divulging her-admittedly worse than my own-life, despite the fact that her stories changed constantly, and he believes her more than he’ll ever believe me about anything).

[@quirkyblackenby]

Marcus Scott Balahari why? Do you know how trauma works?

[@scorpiusjones5436]

Facts. And when people say "why didn't they speak up earlier?" Really mean is "why didn't they speak up earlier so I could try to discredit them faster?". Its sick and ridiculous.

[@thedynamicd85]

Horseshit!

[@marmary5555]

@SmaLeS the housekeeper? You mean the woman who stole from Michael Jackson's property and sold her fake stories to the tabloids for thousands of dollars and who owns millions of dollars to the Michael Jackson estate? She was as credible as a drug dealing meth addict. She was descredited in court. Her story isn't worth shit.

[@tinamoul]

No, it's not the same thing, they not only didn't come out earlier, they activey volunteered to come out in favor of him. They're trash, and Oprah is trash too.

[@user-bl1pw2th4l]

The girl in this video is extremely illinformed.

[@tyronepace6331]

Go read they court depositions from them suing his estate they stories dont match up to them. Safechuck mama claim back in 2009 when Mike died she was happy now that he cant do that to no more kids. But in Safechuck deposition he say he didnt realize he was touch till 2013 when he saw other dude story and he didnt tell nobody or the train station he got touched on that wasnt built until 1994 he say it happened from 1988 to 1992

[@eyerollingintooblivion3564]

All I know is, as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, it is absolute hell when you grow up and start to heal from the trauma. Everyone thinks they "know" a person wouldn't do that, or they were such a "great person" when I knew them. Just because you have great experience with a person, that doesn't justify their abusive behavior to someone else. All the problems that its caused is really draining.

[@jaylemon5049]

I understand with you are saying because I myself was abused but all abuse isn't equal abuse and also how victims of abuse deal with there pain are not the same neither,a lot of victims grow up to be better human beings.Also Michael was abuse to by many people in his life some he choose to have in his life and others not so much ,when its your relative but I don't believe he molested any children.

[@RaeMePlay]

I was a victim too. I can't image having to open up about the most famous person in the world.

[@alohaXamanda]

That's the main reason I believe them. They never say that he's an unkind or bad person, and I know that nobody believed that my abuser was guilty because I was an 'emotionally troubled' little girl (because I was being molested for years) and he was a preacher and well-respected church member. People know how to compartmentalize their personalities.

[@broundothisrightneow]

him being a great person has nothing to do with people defending him, people defend him because there is absolute 100% PROOF that he is innocent and these people just want some money. shitty that people take advantage of such a delicate subject for it but I guess to them money is more importsnf.

[@eyerollingintooblivion3564]

@@madmaxrerisen I'd also like to point out I'm not passing judgment on MJ. I'm just giving a perspective of someone who has been molested as a child and what it's like as an adult learning to cope.

[@lynx.medicine]

I never understood this type of glorification of celebrities, it all seems a bit cultish. Like why make someone a saint just because they created great music? We really know nothing about them, accept for their public persona. It seems he had too much power over people, he could basically get away with anything. I mean, after being accused of child molestation he continued to walk around holding hands publicly with young boys. Like why? To prove that nothing touches him? That normal rules don't apply to him? It all seems very narcissistic to me.

[@JamesDublin7]

I agree 100% This glorification is really scary.

[@graceland5778]

Are you saying men cannot or should not hold children hands? only Women and it's ok. Michael Jackson treated these kids as if they was his very own flesh and blood period. He is being accused of Raping children, that's a vile, vicious animal that should burn in hell. But we do not believe Michael Jackson abused anybody, our research has shown us that people have tried hard to get their hands on his wealth. The case with the chandler kid - They were awarded 20 million dollars by the insurance company, they had 9 years to open a criminal case against Jackson and never did. 9 Years. They got what they wanted his money and ran with it. The bottom line is that nobody is thinking MJ is a Saint, we just do not believe this beautiful man is a sexual predator. Our research has given us enough information to know Wade and Safechuck are lying "Bas" who are trying there best to get there hands on "Hundreds of millions" of dollars from Jackson estate, they have already tried two times and it was thrown out of court twice and now they are trying a third time with this mockumentary in tow trying to persuade the verdict. MJ may be dead but his estate is Alive and worth millions.

[@lynx.medicine]

Grace Land Of course men can hold hands with little boys. But would you do it after being accused of child sexual abuse? Most people would not. Especially boys you do not know personally. Like why take that risk? To me this is a huge red flag. We can never know 100% what happened though...

[@lynx.medicine]

Grace Land Ps the point is also that it is fully possible to be a "beautiful man" but at the same time be a predator... like most child molestors and rapists are people usually very loved by their community and friends... which sometimes make it difficut for us to see that they have commited any wrongdoings. Its not all black or white... sometimes reality is more nuanced than that. But.. again we cannot know 100%

[@graceland5778]

@@lynx.medicine Thank you for not attacking me or calling me names. I know family members who have been sexual assaulted by members of the families, as children. They cut off all ties to this family member and did not attend their funeral. As someone else said those two men stories has more wholes in them than swiss cheese. Wade Safechuck when he was 22 back in 2005 wanted to have his wedding at the Neverland. Can you imagine that - a place you was viciously abused yet He and his mother tried to have there wedding there (People magazine) Wade, every where you turn there is wade praising MJ he even wrote in an Opus book that MJ made him believe in "The pure goodness of humanity" 2011 he was telling everybody he was going to get this cic cus alay job honoring MJ there are interviews of him everywhere talking about it, the estate hire somebody else, and in 2012 Wade start shopping a book alleging MJ abused him. We even found Wade mother liking articles that spoke favorably about MJ up to 2016. They have an appeal going on right now for "Hundreds of Millions" of dollars against MJ estate. MJ may be dead, but his estate is Alive and worth Millions.

[@theunlimitedchannel2022]

Guilty or not we must all be EXTREMELY careful when an adult stranger is getting too close to a child

[@ruefullysage]

most children are abused by adults they know though so... just watch your children period.

[@cedrimar]

True

[@mjmedia09returns]

The first "victim" has a real secret besides being black and you will learn about it on my recent upload. 🤣

[@rabbitsfoot33]

When you're abused/exploited as a child, you don't see it negatively. it's just a nice intimate secret between you two. At 21 i realized that i was sexually exploited as a teen, and barely found out about the term "grooming." Just like James, I sometimes can't help blaming myself for being naive and stupid. I wish I knew the signs (and my parents as well) and knew what a predatory adult looked like. This conversation needs to be had. It's so important and could keep other young kids from getting hurt.

[@louisacatalina5248]

Thank you for sharing and putting it out there. I feel stupid and I am not stupid and being abused is irrelevant to intelligence

[@mjmedia09returns]

The first "victim" has a real secret besides being black and you will learn about it on my recent upload. 🤣

[@marias7599]

"People choose their victims" Truest truth

[@sylvias190]

Facts!!!! Child molesters may be the most calculated and selective predators on the planet

[@ennjaychannel]

@@sylvias190 but michael jackson was not that so sorry

[@sylvias190]

@@ennjaychannel what do you mean?

[@ennjaychannel]

@@sylvias190 he was not child molester sorry

[@sylvias190]

@@ennjaychannel you obviously want to stay in denial so ok

[@SpacecowboiKilu]

I can understand why Michael never would have laid a hand on maculay culkin, he was too powerful even as a young child. He knew he would never get away with it.

[@snowfoxxie]

Edessa I’m sure he knew too that with this boys fame, compared to the boys no one has heard of, home alone guy saying “he didn’t do anything to me” would have swayed the public’s opinion.

[@JBurnz001]

Hmm I guess you never heard of Cory Feldman

[@SpacecowboiKilu]

JBurnz001 Of course I have do I think he had the same star power as Culkin? Absolutely not. Especially today.

[@SpacecowboiKilu]

Elle r oh absolutely

[@JBurnz001]

Edessa exactly so even though Feldman had a moment where he had to take a step back, we can’t say that Michael would have made exceptions. The epstein case you proves that. I’m not saying that Michael is 100% innocent BUT if you actually read up on what’s being reported as facts, then you can’t possibly say that he is guilty either.

[@tylerherrera8798]

Personally I don’t think the lawsuit hurts his credibility. I think a lot of people tend to forget there’s a real cost to being a victim. Things like therapy, prescriptions, health care if they develop physical symptoms of trauma. Or even days missed at work.

[@quirkyblackenby]

Tyler Herrera thank you!

[@Laaaaaaaaaura]

You are totally right. CSA ruins lifes. :(

[@JMW376]

I sympathise with genuine victims. But there’s too many holes in Leaving Neverland! Also, Wade’s mum was caught liking people-MJ posts on Facebook two years after she helped him file the lawsuit against MJ! But don’t you think that’s weird? Why would a mother like the posts of someone who she believes has abused her child? She quickly unliked then when word got out!

[@crazywoollady9325]

@@JMW376 Lots of parents are in denial about their children's abuse. Especially sexual abuse and especially when that sexual abuse has male victims. It was even worse in the 80's and 90's than it is now. A lot of parents blame themselves and a lot of parents just can't handle the guilt so they use denial instead. A lot of parents also just don't believe their kids. Wade's mom specifically sounds like she's still really struggling with the situation. I don't know if she'll ever come to terms with it. I was molested as a child... in the 80's when it was common knowledge that Michael Jackson was an untouchable child molester. I remember how much of an impact that had on me and other abuse victims I knew when I was a kid. It was a big deal back then and I'm not sure I'll ever understand how the perception changed so drastically or why people are so willing to not believe abuse victims. There are SO many reasons for Wade's mom's behavior... and Wade's too for that matter. If you're actually interested in learning I can suggest some places to start. The damage done to abuse victims and the psychology behind all of it (the abuser, the victims, the family of victims, etc.) is deep and layered and not everyone responds in the same ways. Often people react in ways that seem counterintuitive. As an example though, my mom learned of my abuse fairly early on. I'm not sure I ever would have told her honestly, but my sister did (my sister was also a victim of the same abuser) and (luckily) my mom believed her right away. She removed us from the situation, got the authorities involved, and put us in therapy immediately. My mom went to her own therapist also. It's been over 30 years since then and I'm still processing a lot of it. My mom still blames herself. And that's with decades of therapy, immediate action once she knew what was happening, and no denial of the truth of the situation on her part. Any of those factors going differently can cause even more harm.

[@JoshWise1010]

@@Droselover-hu1gt Safechuck claims Ventures was responsible for his abuse from 1988-1989. As you said, it wasn't created until 1991, and he had no proven relationship with the company until 1994 as a production assistant for music videos, two years after he claims his molestation ended. An additional problem emerges; duty of care is also a criminal complaint, but he never filed a criminal case.

[@quirkyblackenby]

People just really don’t wanna believe child predators are out here in every family. Children are being abused every day. Child sexual abuse is invasive in our society unfortunately.

[@traceynelson2170]

We believe it, we do we dnt let our children out of our sight ,except for school and even that seems unsafe

[@jeminkim5146]

Thanks for putting subtitles for ppl with hearing disability

[@staciii]

@@kyngb24 they already know. They're just saying thank you

[@chrisashtonlightell-west1189]

I suffered molestation for four years as a teenager by an adult man. These patterns of behavior aren't just consistent with MJ. It's consistent with most adults who take advantage of children in this way. I don't think I'm alone in my frustration that people are just now talking about these allegations after the documentary, because these patterns are apparent to people who have been in these situations as children. The real issue is the fact that we haven't been listening and genuinely LEARNING from victims, or we're only just starting to listen. Even then, these poor men are forced to recount every detail of every event just to be taken seriously. Also, I really appreciate you pointing out that 21 is very young. I was taken advantage of older men in my 20's quite a few times, mostly because I didn't have a good sense of self worth. This had a lot to do with trauma, but I was also too young to really understand how age plays a big part in relationships.

[@AlexeBriand2002]

Chris Ashton Lightell-West they literally can’t be taken seriously. they’re actors

[@lilmisfit]

I feel this so hard. Very well put.

[@gingerellacookie5641]

Chris Ashton Lightell-West I am so sorry I got a lot of undesired attention from older men in my late teens and early twenties and I look really young for my age and that just made it more creepy to me if I looked like a minor it's like why are you into me? and also they could probably tell I was over 18 but I was still too young for these creeps and like I said I looked like I was 15 at most even up to 23. I have a baby face. I wanted so badly to get the attention of a guy my own age and one who looked younger like me. Even yet in my late twenties I look really young and now the boys attention I wanted when young are attracted to me because I look like a mature teenager but I'm too old for them. also guys who are bit older then me and look every bit their age still go after me liking that I look like a teenager and want to control and abuse me. I hate it! even if these younger guys are interested and over 18 I dont know if I feel it's acceptable and knowing what happened to me I could never hurt anyone else! just because someone is 18 or older and looks older doesn't mean their mature and can handle being in a relationship with someone older. I've just given up on dating looking young truly screwed up my dating life. I just have to say I feel your pain and I am so so sorry.

[@gingerellacookie5641]

Chris Ashton Lightell-West your story. makes me so angry and sad. these predators truly make me ill.

[@nakishaajohnwilliams1242]

So sorry you had to go through that

[@quirkyblackenby]

Did y’all know that trauma doesn’t usually get stored as a narrative story but rather as emotions and physical feelings? So if a detail is off that’s understandable. They were children after all. I’m surprised they even remember any of what happened.

[@YeetMcCheese]

the thing is, they mention it as fact. I would understand if they might've said "I don't remember specifically" but no. They use real time events that the audience can say "oh that happened" then say something traumatic happened there so the audience is then like "since that is a real event he is saying his abuse happened near, it means its true" Personally watched too much to believe this nonsense but hey thats just me

[@innocentnemesis3519]

@@YeetMcCheese dude, this is a really bad take.

[@JoshWise1010]

Which one? It's highly believable because of how detailed it is, or the fact the details don't add up isn't important?

[@YeetMcCheese]

@@innocentnemesis3519 again thats just me. Only reason I phrased myself like that is because they have been proven to lie on shit such as making up entire locations or switching the accounts of their reasoning. Numerous

[@YeetMcCheese]

@@JoshWise1010 The details really don't add up. Wade admitted to knowing he testified in favor of michael because he loved him and knew the risk of his decision then said he did it because he didn't want his kids to grow up without a dad then said he never knew at all and testified unknowingly and was manipulated by michael. Its like bro which one, either you didn't know or you did. Then Jimmy says that Michael tried to force him to testify but even in the court documents it says that he is a nonentity

[@ben_jamin4529]

I understand Wade as well. I was molested by my father and I saw him again as a teenager. You just don't process it.

[@drfifteenmd7561]

Until you realise how much their estate is worth. I'm sorry that happened but using your abuse to justify you believing it is exactly what they wanted. Your feelings aren't facts.

[@yingyang2838]

@Cookie Monster I could say the same shit about you

[@TheHouseOffice]

That hit me some type of way. Thank you for sharing.

[@mystique67]

You understand a person lying about abuse? Someone who claimed he didn't "figure out" it was wrong until a certain age to get around the statutes of limitations so he could sue for MILLIONS. Do some research. Look at evidence. I can't believe how many GROWN ASS adults don't do proper research of both sides. You don't understand how the media wants to FORCE you to think a certain way, how this documentary was designed for you to think a certain way? The Square One documentary is a great place to start.

[@mystique67]

@SmaLeS Actually he's not wrong. There were NO facts and evidence in this documentary and yet you believe it. Have you done your research on the other side to make a educated, unbiased conclusion? I guarantee you haven't because there would be NO way you wouldn't be HIGHLY skeptical of the allegations. ALL OF THEM.

[@kittymeowc8061]

"21 is still young for that amount of unprocessed trauma" *say it louder for the MJ truthers in the back*

[@AlexeBriand2002]

Kittymeow Ceballos Wade says he didn’t know what it was but when he was interviewed in 1993 he said it would be disgusting if he was ever touched that way and that Michael never did it

[@kittymeowc8061]

@@AlexeBriand2002 ok? And??

[@AlexeBriand2002]

Kittymeow Ceballos it’s not that he was too young. everyone knows any kind of abuse is wrong. he’s a liar

[@kittymeowc8061]

@@AlexeBriand2002 That makes no logical sense.

[@AlexeBriand2002]

Kittymeow Ceballos i know right? Wade Shitson’s lies and contradictions make no logical sense

[@lexc.9658]

If their stories were fake and told for attention they’d never have had to tell them because both men would be academy award winning actors

[@semiribrahim8956]

they're really not, they're good actors for people who don't know the details of their allegations. They have been caught in numerous lies and inconsistencies.

[@Webslinger2005]

@@semiribrahim8956 Exactly👏🏿

[@Bloooo95]

@@semiribrahim8956 Y’all pointing out pedantic inconsistencies in recollections from a person’s CHILDHOOD is not the goldmine you think it is. No one has an ironclad memory of dates and locations and what not from their childhood. 💀

[@justusing6192]

Harriet: hey guys how are you doing? Me: well I- Harriet: I’m great thank you for asking! Lmaooo

[@cbkoc1997]

Just Using hahaha my first reaction when i watched her vid for the first time the other day 😂😅😅

[@Dagrammadababy]

😂😂😂😂

[@sunshineinthedarkness]

Lmaoooo

[@jadedavis1190]

As someone who has been sexually abused by someone, when it comes to abuse cases you need to remove how someone presents themselves and look at their actions solely. Both my abuser and Michael Jackson presented themselves as very childlike, but if you look at their actions on their own, their actions are fucking weird and suspicious or an actual "what the fuck" case.

[@charlieedwards4331]

As a longtime Michael Jackson fan and someone who grew up as a dancer and looked up to Michael for so long, watching this documentary was so very hard to do. It was hard to come to terms with the fact that the hurtful things that people were saying about him in the press had truth to them and it really shows that we need to believe people when they make serious allegations despite the person they're speaking out against being super famous and having a ton of influence and impact on the world. I've met Wade Robson in person. I've attended a couple dance conventions that he's taught at and before his classes, he would have a sit-down conversation with the attendees on why he left the entertainment industry and in those conversations, he would refer to Michael as "my idol" he wouldn't name drop but I had a feeling he was talking about him. When this documentary came out, my suspicions were confirmed. It's so sad to hear what happened to Wade and Jimmy in this documentary and I really hope that they have received some kind of therapy so they don't sustain any or too much psychological damage from this stuff happening to them at such a young age!

[@traceynelson2170]

There absolutely no proof or truth whatever to the allegations, all of them have been disproven so.....

[@IjeomaThePlantMama]

I have to admit. I am one of those MJ fans who did *NOT* want to watch the documentary and just saw it as a smear campaign and potential cash grab. I also dont even have HBO, but yeah, I know how to bootleg and could have easily found "ways", but I decided not to. I realize now that I didnt want to be convinced of the wrongdoings he might be guilty of. Thanks to your review, I will make a point to watch it myself and form an opinion separate from my admiration. If I'm going to have a conversation about the accusations, I need to see and hear for myself what they are. Thanks for sharing this, and I hope the comments dont get too nasty. I've already seen a few...

[@giannacrotty8045]

Thank you beautiful soul

[@TheTeresamori]

Read the vanity fair article about this if you Can it will help for when you watch the doc

[@crnkmnky]

I think it might be free to watch on HBO's website.

[@springboard1994]

Pajamagirl123, Same for me

[@Mellie]

It's sad, isn't it? I think the main thing people need to take away from this is just because someone is ultra talented, it does not mean they aren't capable of heinous things. I think the main lesson for everyone is one thing (i.e. being mega famous, talented, etc.) does not exclude someone from being a perpetrator.

[@monicanavarro2906]

What opened my eyes was MJ's weird behavior in those videos, faxes and voice messages... It's clear as day that he was grooming these kids. It's clear as day that he was a very manipulative person. Like when Safechuck (a child then) asks him what his favorite thing of Hawaii was or something to that effect (while aboard the private plane after the trip) and he says "spending time with you" and other such statements, constantly repeating YOU... My husband and I looked at each other and we simply knew it. You talk like that to someone you're flirting with, to make someone feel special in a romantic way, not to a child. The same goes for that "happy birthday" video that he sends one of them (I can't recall whom) and the way he talks and looks at the camera... It's just not normal, people, it's frankly creepy. Those constant faxes saying "I miss you" and such. WTF... Who bombards a friend with hearts and emotionally-charged messages even as a teenager? Also, to the point that the fax machine leaves pages and pages on the floor for everyone to see? That might be boyfriend or girlfriend behavior, but that's not a friend. Now, a man to a boy??? PEDO ALERT!!

[@florencechipindukusangaya3475]

Wow basing your final verdict on him being 'wierd' that's low and a big part of the reason we live in a world where media outlets can mess with celebrities lives. Please educate yourself and go and do some actual research. Read court transcripts like we did, watch square one ,Loving Neverland and the lies of Leaving neverland

[@monicanavarro2906]

@@florencechipindukusangaya3475 I'm not a judge nor a jury member so I'm just expressing my opinion. Our opinions are often based on observation and deduction since we're not God and we can't see inside people's heads nor souls. The reality is that I wouldn't let my child spend time alone with a "weird" man accused of pedophilia, for example, I guess I'm judgmental like that. Also, the way the media and people treat celebrities doesn't keep me awake at night. They're extremely privileged people who, no matter what they do, will always have a great percentage of defenders (unless they're like Epstein or Weinstein, who were behind the camera, so to speak).

[@SaffariRose]

OK, but shouldn't it bother you that in the entire documentary we only saw letters, faxes and phone calls from ONLY MJ to the boys but not even 1 single one from these people TO MJ? For someone that they claim was in their life for decades and that the openly stated they reached out to and benefited from, won't there be some mutual communication to paint a better picture of what the relationship was? That's a red flag! A documentary should be partial, both sides should be presented especially if you're making such a huge claim. Also, that birthday video wasn't exclusive to Wade, Michael sent similar ones to his other friends on their birthdays including Elizabeth Taylor. It's all online and on KZbin. What is also overwhelmingly available is the fact he ended almost all his interviews, speeches, concerts, meetings and notes with the words, 'I love you', so much so that when fans replied the same to him, he would go 'I love you more'. He said this to strangers and friends alike. That the documentary turned this obvious MJ fact/gesture into something disgusting is quite troubling to me. And I haven't even started poking holes into the discrepancies in their stories. I too was swayed to believing what I watched but some of the counter evidence says otherwise. We as a society need to look objectively at what we are being told to believe, otherwise, we lose our entire sense of morality. There's always two sides to a story but if your emotions only allow you believe one side, who's to say what we won't be manipulated into believing?

[@tigerbloodoneill8783]

You do know that dan Reed cut that clip when jackson said "you james" He actually said "i like being with you and your family the most"

[@Havaseet2]

The man was always around kids and had an amusement park with a Ferris wheel in his front yard. You honestly need an in depth documentary to make this record of abuse believable? Denial is a powerful thing

[@drfifteenmd7561]

A person who fits the profile of a pedophile but yet his legal documents that say otherwise makes you astonished that people are conflicted?

[@quirkyblackenby]

Dr. Fifteen M.D dude some people never even go to jail for this shit

[@tonyandtiana]

First of all..... that hair is popping... second of all I love how you basically said “let’s argue in the comments lol” third of all. I’m glad you are a black woman talking about this. Because there are so many traumatized black people who were taught things like “what happens in this house stays in this house” and grew up skilled in turning the other cheek. And if they acknowledge the truth in this injustice then they must acknowledge the truth in their personal history. Which is hard to do. So I commend you for your articulate synopsis of the documentary. Bravo 👏🏽

[@angeliaimeanttoloveyouharr8404]

Tony and Tiana well said👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@drebodollaz3504]

I remember back when his most recent child molestation case was out, they even discussed the damn alarm system he had to hear people approaching. That was a huge red flag that everyone overlooked.

[@laceykanda995]

Really?! That is absolutely creepy. Can you send a link to that?

[@drebodollaz3504]

@@laceykanda995 I saw it on tv, while the case was going on. But I'm sure you can find it on google, just look up michael jackson room alarm or something like that.

[@phi4liphe944]

Actually, if you do a little research the alarm was installed because on several occasions obsessed fans were found on the property and one was even found in his bedroom. It has been said that people have literally parachuted on to the property undetected only to be found later. Do some damn research...

[@Samuel-b]

@@drebodollaz3504 Just because Micheal Jackson had an alarm system in his bedroom doesn't mean he molested kids. He was only the most famous human being in the ENTIRE WORLD so of course he would've been worried about certain people entering his property/bedroom. I would be too if i were him. Do yourself a favor and use a little something called COMMON SENSE.

[@somedude9528]

Of course Michael Jackson had an alarm. A fan once broke into his house and hid in his bedroom closet at night. If that happened to me, I would get alarms and an electric fence. Not to mention people paid money to parachute into Neverland.

[@thecutbeautii3399]

I’ll nevet forget Wade’s mom saying that Michael asked to have Wade to live with him for a YEAR. Yea...that’s normal.

[@CandyGurllikMJ]

That's a lie!

[@whiteheart9218]

TheCutBeautii there is no proof he said this Wake up I can sitting there too and talk how my father or uncle sexual abused me even it’s not truth

[@mystique67]

Listen, Wade is a provable liar. Easily. Same with the other accuser. There are so many documentaries on youtube that debunk both of their allegations. They had to take out a whole chunk of the documentary because of it. If you want to take that doc as fact, you have an obligation to hear the other side and see if you still feel the same. I guarantee you wont.

[@sylvias190]

@@mystique67 where is the documentary?

[@JMW376]

Sylvia Silas I believe that she’s referring to Square One. Chase the Truth is good, too.

[@hart3254]

Back in 1993 and again in 2003-2005 when MJ was accused and brought to court I felt like he was guilty. I felt he was able to get out of it because of payoffs and good lawyers. The reason I felt he was guilty is because why the hell would a grown man keep having little boys sleepover? And he was always seen with a little boy holding his hand, a little boy sitting on his lap, going on tour with him etc. After the 1993 allegations where the kid and his family settled for over 20 million, he was advised by his legal team to stop hanging out with these kids etc. but he didin't listen to that advice and got accused again in 2003. That tells me he had a problem and could not control it What sane person would keep hanging out with kids after almost going to jail and having your life ruined? I truly think he had a huge problem and was a very sick man and could not control this sickness and thats why he kept getting accused. This HBO doc did not convince me, I knew before I saw the doc. It was obvious what was going on.

[@florencechipindukusangaya3475]

The fact that you already felt like he was guilty is the problem. You already believed that and nothing would change your mind about it. I don't blame you tho the media painted a lovely portrait to strengthen the 'Michael Jackson is a pedophile narrative', however we cannot ignore the solid facts that discredit all of his accusers because that would simply be ignorant and biased.

[@hart3254]

@@florencechipindukusangaya3475 hey, only God knows but let's be honest it didn't look good. I hope he's with the Lord in peace.

[@UltraShuffle87]

I hope that Leaving Neverland will help give survivors of sexual abuse the power and voice to come out from the shadows. A sexual abuser's greatest weapon is silence.

[@ercm2393]

Robert Armstrong thanks Oprah! Smh dumbass

[@UltraShuffle87]

@@ercm2393 good talk bro.....

[@HumbleNarcissist0]

The trust of the ill-informed is a liars greatest weapon.

[@Taewills]

That and I also hope that people will be able to recognize the warning signs and call it out, or at least be cautious- stringently so.

[@whiistlingwinds]

You are all idiots that are letting the media emotionally manipulate you. Back in 2005 when MJ went to *trial* for these allegations he never tried to silence ANYONE who accused him of these crimes and only challenged them in court because he knew he did nothing wrong and all he had to show was his clear innocence. Facing trial never scared MJ, and for good reason because the trial of 2005 was a fucking mess filled with a bunch of liars trying to get money just like this time around. Most people placed their bets on MJ's guilt and the criminal investigation against MJ was *5 million dollars* with an unknown to MJ 10 year FBI surveillance on his back, it was no joke and nothing was left unturned-- but they still found nothing to find him guilty of being a pedophile or committing the crimes they said he did (unlike R Kelly and co who have all skated by free because of ACTUAL complacency, predation, and power). The political landscape we are in is what is making this get the attention that it doesn't deserve because everyone is still caught up in the MeToo movement without realizing how easily it can be hijacked by terrible people. But go off and pretend like the criminalization of black men in the media hasn't been a selling point in western culture throughout history. Keep missing those patterns and keep your head in the sand instead of doing your own research.

[@Militant_Twinky_X]

17:53... The swap out always got me... Not only were they swapped out... They were always within the same age range... Between 8-12... And never any girls... 🤔🤔🤔

[@SoozUK]

Yep! No girls, no fat kids, just pretty little boys.

[@totallytammy9892]

@@SoozUK Yasss...that's what my husband & I noticed....they were all such beautiful little boys!!

[@lynnettepolanco8914]

Actually a girl did file a law suit against Michael and was paid out. LA times has an article on it.

[@supermetroid009]

No black kids either.

[@MiamiPush2theLimit]

Jet-set sam so wtf was Emmanuel Lewis and Alfonso Ribeiro? Are you people being willfully ignorant?

[@moonlily1]

People don't believe allegations against Jackson simply because they don't want to and refuse to, but it's an irrational emotional investment. If it was any other person, they'd absolutely believe it. There is no other situation in the world where an adult men is calling other people's children on the phone, hang out with them alone, have them spend the night at his house and sleep in his bed and people would say that it's not hella suspicious and completely inappropriate. There is no other circumstance in which a person's overt obsession with children and childhood wouldn't be seen as extremely disturbing and creepy.

[@florencechipindukusangaya3475]

No people don't want to believe it because there is more evidence (that makes much more logical sense) pointing towards Michael's innocence then anything else. This is not based on How highly people think of Michael it is based on the fact that this documentary presented no real evidence and was debunked several times.

[@moonlily1]

@@florencechipindukusangaya3475 There isn't "evidence towards his innocence". Unless there is a matter which can be expected to have been filmed or physically witnessed, what happened between two people when they were alone can be proven but can't be disproven. That's why legal verdicts are "not guilty" as opposed to "innocent". Not being able to meet a legal burden of proof. I believe the victims because Jackson's obsession with children was extremely abnormal and his behavior with them was completely inappropriate by any possible standards. I don't believe for one single second that if an adult man asked you to spend time alone in his home with your children to 'sleep over' in his bed that you would think that man wasn't a sick weirdo or that you would grant that request. No reasonable person would. Don't lie.

[@florencechipindukusangaya3475]

@@moonlily1 it is proven that the children asked Michael Jackson to sleep in his two storey bedroom. He did not sleep alone with them either. I defend Michael Jackson because his victims stories have wayyyyyy to many plotholes. Plotholes that so many people overlook because it's easier to believe Michael Jackson was a pedophile than to actaully go and read court transcripts and educate themselves.

[@moonlily1]

@@florencechipindukusangaya3475 Then you tell them that's inappropriate because you're the adult. If an adult man with no kids of his own in your neighborhood wanted to be "friends" with your children and have them come spend the night at his house for his own enjoyment, would you say yes to that? Is this something you would do yourself?

[@florencechipindukusangaya3475]

It's funny how you all base your accusations on this, and you all completely block out the mountain of evidence proving that James Safechuck and Wade ROBson are liars. Let's agree to disagree. I don't wanna argue cause this is going nowhere

[@wickednikki1303]

Just because he's dead doesn't discount the victims pain.

[@bkaur5139]

istg yall are all for "guilty until proven innocent" until it's a black man proven innocent

[@Chipboykins]

Oprah needs to dig into the Harvey Weinstein topic aka her “friend”

[@nitelillie]

Sorry can't get past 9 min mark because ZZz... but just saying that Wade dated Brandi Jackson, his niece. Then cheated on Brandi with BRITTNEY SPEARS while she was with Justin Timberlake. This is why Justin dumped Brittney. This doc is so one sided and bs. Oprah is no billionaire in cash, she's not on the that list... she's on some loosely, wildly said net worth list. Lastly, the ratings are in and this documentary FLOPPED.

[@veganpiranha3302]

MrClipperTV I don't trust Oprah

[@ariw9405]

MrClipperTV right now the conversation is about MJ the whataboutism is unnecessary

[@georgia9555]

Harvey's in court today .his documentary is coming out in few weeks.

[@handymanny6615]

Typical fan hahaha

[@Yreve2]

Your point at about 3:48 reminds me of something I heard discussed in the Netflix doc “Abducted in Plain Sight”. In that documentary, the family discusses how the predator who went after their daughter did a lot to ingratiate himself with the entire family. It’s possible that this is a common thing child predators do so they can go after their victims without drawing too much attention to themselves. I could be wrong, though.

[@Grace1708]

I was reminded of that documentary, too! The grooming and manipulation was similar. If you watched Oprah’s interview with the two men, I think that she explained really well that childhood sexual abuse doesn’t always equal physical pain and violence etc. and that children often don’t understand that they are getting abused. This is not the way these topics are typically discussed in mainstream media, but it’s probably the most common way this actually happens to people in real life. Once the child feels complicit in their own abuse, it’s hard to speak out against the abuser.

[@faa1412]

The problem with comparing MJ to that other doc is that MJ NEVER went after anyone; people came to him. Michael never sought out anybody, This is by far one of the most misunderstood things about MJ... the parents who accused him (and wanted money) went after him.

[@alyqat4]

Yreve2 I noticed the same thing and drew the same parallel.

[@alyqat4]

A Matt did you watch the documentary? Wade and his family did not go after MJ. He pursued THEM.

[@babygunz0604]

@@alyqat4 That's not true. An interview of Wade's mother from years back contradicted this. After the contest that Wade won, he met Michael. There were no interactions after that. The mother sought after Michael in hopes of boosting Wade's career. Michael helped the best way he can. Gave him a record deal but Wade's career never took off. Wade is known in the dance community for using Michael's name in order to build himself and a career. This is the problem with one-sided documentaries. You don't get to see the contradictions and you don't get to see the whole picture. No evidence to back their claims. Just their own words.

[@Jenni.P]

Can you talk about drake having Millie Bobbie Brown and Billie eilish 's phone numbers and calling them all the time cause its kinda weird.

[@qaysmith1508]

Jenni Pie drake is a pervert

[@glowuplife]

@@qaysmith1508 yes. Been a perv. That's the reason he didn't want to believe he was a father cause he has edd

[@AestheticJunkiex]

Having watched ‘Abducted in Plain Sight’ and ‘Leaving Neverland’ back to back the parallels in predatory behaviour are undeniable - love letters, phone calls, creating a ‘love’ relationship with the child.. Edit: I do understand that the film makers have emphasised these behaviours to make MJ look like a predator... re my response in reply thread

[@Di.ana.a.]

that's exactly what i thought!!! thanks for pointing it out 👏🏻

[@sonashahinyan2717]

what kind of love letters are you talking about? How can you consider that as a love letter? Just because he said "I love you" at the end should only raise suspicion to the people with sick minds. Many people know that Michael liked to call people because he was lonely, isolated by his fame. Why are people struggling to understand this?

[@Di.ana.a.]

@@sonashahinyan2717 she refers to the letters of the documentary called "abducted in plain sight", MJ sent fax messages to the australian kid 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@sonashahinyan2717]

@@Di.ana.a. I have seen the ones in Leaving Neverland and they weren't inappropriate.

[@AestheticJunkiex]

Sona Shahinyan just pointing out possible parallels in patterns of behaviour - it’s could also be the case that the accusers tried to say things about Michael to make him look predatory by emphasising certain behaviours and aspects of their relationship with him

[@ct3gct3g]

As someone who's gone through the same thing, I believe them. I can't even speak about mine cause it makes me nauseous just thinking about it, the embarrassment would be overwhelming, and not wanting to ruin this person's family. These guys are brave for even speaking about it, knowing it's pretty much career suicide, and there will be a public target on them from now on. Either way I just wish them happiness and safety.

[@elva136]

I have gone through the same thing and THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED. Its very easy to get experiences of child abuse and make it your own. If you had watched the documentary the serious lack of anything related to MJ, about his trial and that he was investigated by the FBI all of it which have been carefully ommitted would have been really suspicious to me. But they are aiming for relatibility and shock value which they have clearly succeeded in! Wake up and look beyond the documentary. There is a whole lot of lack of evidence and a big scheme in play here.

[@louiseroberts1511]

Grooming. That is really all we need to dig into people.... the art of grooming in all it's preverse detail and how we can recognize it for children AND for yourself. If you are in a child's life in ANY capacity and an abuser wants access to that child recognize how you, that child and others are being groomed to see this person as "harmless". Make a general rule if need be, mine: NO adult takes that much of an invested interest in a child that isn't theirs. Like mentioned, a 15 minute conversation on the phone with a child is usually the most an adult can handle. Invites for alone time is NOT ok. If that boundary is place and the adult is trying to be persuasive or manipulate the child to persuade their parent(s) HUGE red flags!🚩🚩🚩 We had a situation with a friend of my husband whom went and laid on the floor of my son's room when I mentioned I was going to get him ready for bed 🚩🚩BOOM: if it feels wrong trust that regardless how that person takes it. If they are offended then it probably had inappropriate intent. I told the adult man to please leave my son's room and tried to convince me to let him stay during the routine 🚩🚩 my husband overheard, intervened and told the friend to leave our home. He left in a huff, frustrated and feeling attacked. This was over 20 years ago. We have not spoken to him since. Be alert. Look at what is atypical involvement in a child's life by an unfamiliar or new ADULT relationship. An adult can support a child and express care without going beyond those boundaries. My youngest son was struggling in school and his teacher at the time, male was eager to work with him to build his confidence. He supported his passions by helping him build on them in school (safe environment) inviting other children to participate and came to one of his football games again, in a safe atmosphere showing his care and support. It meant a lot to my son whom struggled because he felt someone other than family cared. Now, if this teacher gave my son special gifts, invited him alone on outings.... ect THAT would be crossing a boundary. Some might think, "Wow, he is shows he REALLY cares". If those extra mile gestures occurred however the risk is not worth the potential MOST adults would know this. They are in the position of power and authority. A position that should be taken very seriously. Pedophiles/Child abusers use and abuse that power that is why we know it is NOT about sex and pleasure for these people. Be aware. Don't worry about offending an adult when protecting a child.

[@Sam-oh2od]

This was so helpful, thank you

[@jandteccleston1551]

I would just add that to be fair to the mothers here, they were dealing with not only a master manipulator/predator but also an extremely famous person. He picked both of these families specifically because the children and their parents had illusions of fame

[@tijanaa9310]

Yeah but parents are completely to blame. So what now, fame and money and power is more important than being a good parent? Sorry not sorry, those are some really shitty parents and MJ looks extremely suspicous.

[@Nayaniify]

Did you know that Wade RobsonHe wanted to get married at Neverland. His mother wanted to adopt Micheal’s 3 kids He wanted to write in the Opus. He wanted to direct Curque de Soleil the MJ tribute?

[@NenaKPlans]

@@Nayaniify Did you also know, the only way to sue your abuser when you're Wade's age (i.e. past the statue of limitations on the crime) is to have a sudden revelation of abuse via therapy or some other means - meaning you had to live your entire life thinking you had never suffered abuse then have some sort of crises lift the veil.

[@Catbooks]

"Have you been in a history class?" 😂 Nice job. It's refreshing to see someone so clear-sighted, intelligent, and sane doing a video on this. Thank you.

[@Samuel-b]

Even if Wade and Jimmy's stories are completely false, ( which i doubt ) i think everyone can agree that LN at least teaches a very valuable lesson. Never blindly trust anyone with your children, famous or not. You can never tell for sure what skeletons they might be hiding in their closet.

[@missethio7394]

They have already been proven liars. Their case have already been dismissed twice. TRIAL BY MEDIA DOESNT WORK!!

[@katekursive1370]

It is true that pedophiles often befriend the family and are respected and trusted members of the community. One of their tactics.

[@melanatedforever]

Yes

[@MrKingoverall]

So, what's your point Kate?

[@avigirl1202]

Very true

[@aa.4639]

70% of molestors are familly members! Big big Fact

[@Lemondoor]

MrKingoverall She said her point. It was clear.

[@RominaJones]

Say it straight, you've brought all the points out I've felt for years even before the doc. All the behavior is huge red flags. No healthy grown man wants to have sleepovers with children. You will never convince me that was a safe situation. Red flags all over the place, I felt it then and feel it now. Only now as a society we are in an era where we are actually starting to believe the victims and celebrity can't just cleanse you of guilt.

[@traceynelson2170]

There weren't any real points brought forward that haven't already been debunked as lies, the fact is he said himself he never asked any of the children to come into his room or his bed they all WANTED and asked him to be in his room which is on tape, they had their own rooms beautiful suits but still wanted HIS room, and the parents allowed their children to make these unreasonable requests of someone's private space, he Let them sleep over, if they didn't want too, they could of said no thanks we going home, simple. He never had a childhood and wanted to experience that , he offered this opportunity to other kids as well, coz making other people Happy brought him joy, not that most people could ever understand that, and forgetting the fact that there were 100s of staff and the kids parents , the problem was that he was too kind too nice to these children and families,by letting them in his private bedroom, he should of said no, you got your room, f*** off that's too much. Or in fact never allowed anyone into his private home, just visit and get out, the sleepovers we're people being greedy not wanting to go the hell home, think about it, if none of the parents stayed the night with their kids, or ALLOWED their kids to stay we wouldn't be here today.they all took advantage of his good nature, because "no one does something good unless they get something out of it" right, it's beyond us to think this man cared for ordinary people and kids and was generous. The fact is there isn't ANY proof he didn't anything wrong, period.

[@elijahishere]

​@@traceynelson2170big fat L take.

[@traceynelson2170]

@@elijahishere l know right! These is so much evidence in MJ favor and the with the new documentaries that came out its so incredible that anyone could believe this heap of dripped anymore its been dragged so hard its a joke 😅.

[@dashingskittle9470]

I feel so much for both of them, but my heart breaks for Wade and his siblings. They had to survive their father's suicide first, and then they have to deal with the fear their mother could do the same out of guilt for what happened to Wade. There's no clearer way to spell "shit parents". I completely understand why Wade hid the truth for so long. Imagine having such a mentally fragile mother you can't turn to for help because she wouldn't be able to handle it.

[@elva136]

God. Someone save me from this stupidity.

[@somedude9528]

+dashing skittle Wade's a child actor who proclaimed himself the master of deception once. He really shouldn't be instantly believed.

[@JamesDublin7]

elva136 there is no treatment for you to be saved by your stupidity sorry. But we can tolerate you. You are not the only one who thinks to know the truth by some fanmade facts and call it research. But if the world in your head makes you happy it’s totally ok.

[@ayedicko6452]

your heart breaks for these snakes?

[@traceynelson2170]

That's exactly their whole objective is to get people in their feelings instead of facts.

[@amorrow271]

I think it's interesting you believe Macaulay Culkin when he says he wasn't abused. I think him defending Michael parallels James and Wade so much because they both described loving him, wanting to protect him, and even enjoying the attention they were receiving from him again before the trial. Also, if you look at Macaulay's issues with substance abuse, I think it mirrors James's experience and how he was responding to the trauma. Cory Feldman interests me because he's talked about the pedophilia ring in Hollywood on multiple occasions, and he's said things eluding to the fact that he could never name names because of how powerful they are. Cory has had his issues with substance abuse as well, which I think just adds to the pattern. It's obviously none of my business, and if they just don't want to come forward, that's their right, but I just think the signs are there.

[@SyssySyssy]

30 kids said nothing happened you brainy... Both of these liars included.. Michael Jackson is innocent! ♥️

[@amorrow271]

Syssy99 ok if that’s what you want to believe.

[@SyssySyssy]

Look up the facts dude. It's that simple. These two lied under oath, why would they now tell the truth? They are known liars. Their lives didn't turn out as they have expected. They're desperate for money. I do not believe that Michael Jackson is innocent, I know that for fact!! FBI, two Grand Jury found him innocent. Wade Robson defended him all the way, after his death he needs money, so he changed the story. If they don't want money, why did they sue for 1,5 billion!!? So stupid, that so many people believe two liars, without any other information

[@amorrow271]

I don’t want argue with you because I don’t think this productive, but for you to call them liars for testifying on Michael’s behalf does not make sense. If their testimony was a lie then wouldn’t that make the story true? Also, suing his estate isn’t about money, it’s about legal culpability. Michael is dead so he’ll never be held personally accountable for his crimes, suing for money is a way to find him culpable and acknowledge that it happened with some sort of recourse for his actions. I’m not going to pretend to know he’s guilty or innocence, but I will say just because someone is found not guilty, it doesn’t mean they’re innocent it just means there wasn’t enough evidence to convict. And yes Michael did a lot to ensure that not many testified against him. And what do they have to gain by coming forward now? Closure. They very well could be liars but you know what people try to poke holes in their stories but every example of a hole is actually very consistent with someone who’s suffered abuse. Michael is loved by millions and so to pretend it’s easy coming forward against someone rich, powerful, famous, iconic, etc is a little glib. We have a society that is so quick to assume any victim of sexual assault is a liar, but maybe the conversation should be a little more nuanced. I’m done here, have a great day.

[@SyssySyssy]

@@amorrow271 well Robson was complaining about his struggle to find work in his own blog posts and about his nervous breakdowns due to the stress caused by his loserness. . He tried many projects but he could not succeed, so he realised that he would never succeed as a film producer . Both of them tried to live from MJ their whole lives, now they know they are just a pair of losers. And Jackson was investigated by the FBI for 10! years, even that accuser admitted later, that these were fake stories. Well if they only sued for some moral compensation as you said, that was a stupid thing to do, Robson ows the Jackson family over 100 thousand dollars.. It's all about the money. I am sure there was no such thing as abuse. Michael was an angel. He saved so many children.

[@abztraktt6403]

Thank you for being unbiased and non DELUSIONAL.

[@texuztweety]

EXACTLY!!

[@Wh1msicalpickle]

Unbiased? L-O-L!!!

[@Nayaniify]

Abztraktt non delusional? She believed these two con artists even before she started watching this one sided doc

[@Sharon-zj2gp]

Unbiased? When you get all your information from a one-sided documentary that doesn’t supply evidence, you’re really biased. I’m not saying she’s unintelligent, but she clearly needs to do more research because she’s super biased right now.

[@Nayaniify]

Abztraktt The judge that threw out Safechuck and Robson’s case, told them that no jury would find them credible with how many times they had changed their stories. And Safechuck couldn’t get his timelines right at all so his didn’t even make it as far into consideration as Robson. It was pretty much immediately tossed out as frivolous. They both owe the MJ estate hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorneys fees. People go after Wade Robson because his career was thanks to MJ. He was the star witness in Michael’s 2005 trial and testified as an adult, confidently and adamantly that Michael never touched him. He said for over 20 years what an incredible man Michael was. He also did several tributes when Michael died including asking Janet to be a part of her tribute to her brother. He then reached out to the estate for the director’s position of the MJ TRIBUTE show Cirque du Solei ONE. When he was turned down for that he sold his BAD gloves and fedora to Julian’s Auctions (didn’t burn them like he claimed) and sued the estate for 1.2 billion dollars at which point James Safechuck joined with the same attorney. Do the math.

[@trina7274]

I couldn’t agree more! I’m 48..... a lot of you younger folk were not here....like my generation .... for you all to truly know just how HUGE Michael Jackson was. I can’t put it into words. I mean he was HUGE! Bigger than any star of today. Bigger than Elvis Presley even...I stood in line for TWO days in front of tower records to buy tickets to see him.... 2 days people.... at age 15! We took turns sleeping in my moms car and trading places in line...By the time I got to the front of the line.... they were sold out. I was sad for days! I’ve been a fan since I was a tiny kid.... age 5... (when he was in the Jackson 5) after he went solo.....he was my first crush in 1982, in the 6th grade... my first poster I ever bought and the very first album, thriller.... I ever bought on cassette. I still know every word to every song on that album and when I listen to it.... it takes me back to the 6th grade....He had GOD like status... and for the last 35 years.... I have defended him. Not just because I was a fan.... but because I REALLY thought he was innocent.... I REALLY thought.... ya... he’s weird... but his childhood can explain all that... right??!!! People just wanted his money, right?? After watching all 3 parts of the documentary (I’m including Oprah into that)...... I cried and cried and cried. Because I couldn’t defend him any more. ..... before you think me an idiot.....you have to realize for young girls like me (when I was a young kid/teen) what a HUGE part of growing up he was for us....Now.... I’m left sitting on my couch saying “omg.... Michael Jackson WAS a Pedophile”...... “he really was a pedophile”...... Something about how he held those rings.... the “wedding” rings that Michael gave him.... the way his hands shook... and the look on his face..... he just didn’t look healthy.... he physically looked ill.... I just knew he was telling the truth... broke my heart...for him and for Michael... the whole thing is just a tragedy.... Btw..... even Corey Feldman.... one of his main supporters for 30 plus years was like.... “ya.... I can’t defend him any more, not after watching that”.....(he publicly said this a few days ago) Awesome video! New subscriber here 💕❤️🙏

[@jamesthomas2410]

He is and forever will be the greatest entertainer its debatable only by people whom are hardcore fans of prince but Michael is the king of pop his music spans multiple generations and was the one person whom could have United the world the only thing these other countries actually liked about this country was Michael hes universal

[@teniseuna]

The most honest comment I have read since these allegations have resurfaced.. there’s just something in the way how abusers move.. there is a pattern.! It’s always the person who you regard highly, the person you would least expect! I watched the doc right after abduction in plain sight on Netflix and the patterns, the movement was so similar it was plain to see mj was not innocent at all! If everyone in the entire world believes that he wouldn’t do it what would stop him! Maybe there is an element of financial gain from these guys but I definitely don’t think that this was some made up fairytale..

[@introspect86]

Did you know that the two accusers are planning to sue Michael’s estate using a loophole in the law to get around the statute of limitations? All they have to say is that they JUST realized they were abused. This is why their stories are what they are. Robson sued Michael’s estate for $1 Billion before. And he’s had conversations with his choreographer friends about people who have approached him to lie about MJ abuse but he refused to do it then for money.

[@GlorianaLovejoy]

Trina, I'm 40 and I'm feeling so much of what you described. I cried too, for the boys he hurt but also because it's painful to realize this hero who made music of such comfort & beauty was also a vile predator. This is hard as hell, and yeah, there's this selfish, childish part of me that wants to go back in time to when he was still a hero because his music is connected to so many special moments in my life. It just hurts, I think a lot of Gen-X age folks are taking this extremely hard because we remember how it was at the height. I still have my sequined glove from childhood, I'm like "What the hell do I even do with that now?". I don't want to ramble too long, suffice it to say I understand how much this hurts. Thanks for posting, I feel comfort every time I read comments from folks going through this same process of shock/hurt/anger/grief.

[@POW1E19]

I’m around your age. As a musician, Quincy Jones was primarily responsible for MJs music. The true King of Pop is Todd Rundgren. I never cared for MJs music, but his cultural impact cannot be understated. Jackson was a mega star..Bigger than Kiss in the 70s Bigger than Bon Jovi in the 80s Bigger than Nirvana in the 90s. Thats big.... yeah. Anyway. I’m not surprised he did these things.

[@mrs.t4953]

How many times does history have to show us that it’s always the person that “would never do that”? This is how he got away with it. Anyone is capable, it’s your morals that stops you because you know that’s gross and wrong.

[@shethewriter]

I love your comments on justice here. It’s not just about revenge, it’s about the health and intention of the survivors.

[@traceynelson2170]

Would be correct if they were actually survivors.......justice for real survivors, shame these guys can exploit a serious topic like this, who does that.

[@matrix2297]

@@traceynelson2170 Yeppppp. Michael was surrounded by vultures like that his whole life and had to fight them off. They killed him because he was too powerful and still tarnish his name so that people won't give him his flowers, see just how powerful he was a black man and his message of love. These men need to be held accountable like Amber Heard, but conveniently, you can't face legal action for defaming a dead person.

[@shethewriter]

@@traceynelson2170 neither of them or their families got a dime from the documentary. Would you, for free, spend hours telling people about being abused as a child on camera? Accusing one of the most beloved figures on the planet?

[@traceynelson2170]

@@shethewriter they did get paid ,and mostly it was for their lawsuit which thankfully the judge threw out for both of them , disgusting lairs lm glad they never saw a penny of Micheal's money, his (Micheals)children been through more than enough, their fathers legacy left in ruins by those monsters ,every claim they made hopeless debunked and they never came out to apologize for what they did to Micheal.

[@traceynelson2170]

@@shethewriter also they looked pretty damn smirky the whole time,they enjoyed telling lies ,in their interview you can see them hiding their smiles ,even body language people have said they are lying what more do you need?

[@twistysunshine]

It's interesting how many people sit here and go "oh well I've researched this and that about all these people" towards the accusers. Like they're like "oh I know everything about these liars". But then you see one of these victims behave in a way consistent with trauma, consistent with abuse and grooming, and those same people either blindspot those or do the same traditional victim blaming stuff. Like "why did they wait so long. Why did they feel so jealous huh. Why did they defend him" Odd that you'll go dig into these people's lives to prove them evil, but won't research PTSD or abuse for five minutes

[@Wikijojo1]

My thoughts exactly

[@thepragmaticexistentialist]

They have a narrative and they're determined to maintain it.

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

Amen

[@blondesense1708]

Zen Musiclover did you watch?

[@FerBaide]

Honestly there’s not enough proof. There really isn’t. The documentary didn’t really add much to what was said back when M.J. was first accused years ago. I’m not saying it’s not true, we just don’t know. Innocent until proven otherwise. It still hasn’t been proven otherwise, therefore it’s up to each one whether to believe it or not. I know the worst thing that can happen to a sexual abuse survivor is to not be believed, but a person should never be condemned if there not enough proof. You can say oh it totally looks like they’re telling the truth, but they could be faking it, who knows. Without evidence, that might be the case. Don’t believe everything you hear. This could either be true or not true. And with MJ dead, we’ll probably never know. Now let the King Of POP rest in fucking peace for the love of God.

[@forest_goblinn]

Wake up people, if any other GROWN MAN was sleeping in the SAME BED as a C-H-I-L-D, you'd be freaking out, but because it's Michael Jackson y'all like to act like it's normal.

[@forest_goblinn]

@@lightfreedomyt You know women sexually abuse children too, right? If a grown woman was obsessed with sleeping with strangers kids, I would definitely be questioning her motives. It's not normal for grown adults to sleep with strangers children.

[@luciannebeans6679]

@@lightfreedomyt YES.

[@princessofpigs]

@@lightfreedomyt If it WASN'T HER OWN CHILD

[@whirlwindferocity]

Sorry. My god daughter is coming over and she likes to jump right in my bed with me and I'm letting her. She is turning 5 next week. To the pure, all things are pure.

[@pearlthedichotomy739]

LightFreedom yeah that’s weird girl...why would a thirty year old woman have sleepovers with seven year old girls. (If they aren’t your kid)

[@jordanguillory7180]

They didn't sleep in the same bed, they slept in the same two story room

[@ForHarriet619]

This is not true.

[@BimboBaggins]

Thank you so much for making this video. Seeing all the hate towards Wade and James is so damaging and triggering as a sexual abuse victim and by validating them and saying you believe them I also feel validated and vindicated in my own right.

[@traceynelson2170]

Projecting.......your story is not theirs , they are proven lairs dnt tie yourself with them there are other people who are actual victims like you ,go there leave these two mad ones alone.

[@missethio7394]

Wade & safe chuck are making fun of real victims out there!! They have already been dismissed twice in court and now they came out with this movie to get outrage so they can get back their lawsuit. They tried to get hush money first but the state won’t settle with them. They are not going to stop until they get what they want. They are trash & frauds. The director of the movie is even worse. He doesn’t know how to be a journalist & do ethical work. He is a fraud & needs to loose his job as a journalist

[@emmaxtc4692]

One thing I liked about this documentary is that it showcases the awe of celebrity we have. It's the topic of the documentary but I couldn't help but think when I listened to the boys and the parents, they looked at Michael like Jesus or something. These parents had this unrealistic trust of Michael, they let their kids play with him all day while they chilled in the paid-for hotel room. The boys looked at him like this mythical divine figure, they wanted to be apart of him so badly. I see this same pattern in the R Kelly, James Toback, and other celebrities allegations. I'm not saying Michael is guilty or not but I see this over and over again in these allegations where these men seduce with the promise of money or fame to these accusers and use their fame and money as tools of seduction. These people have titles to their names Hollywood executive producers, King of R&B, top Hollywood actor. It shows a problem in our society, in my opinion. Like sis, I don't care if it Michael Jackson the King of Pop or Michael Jackson the cashier at Walmart, I ain't leaving nobody alone with my non-existent kids.

[@teniseuna]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@monicadavid9318]

Preach!

[@traceynelson2170]

There is the flip side of the coin , were people target celebs for money, who wouldn't be in awe of Micheal Jackson, but all of the accessors went for money, the only reason the 2005 trail existed was because they couldn't sue him without proving his guilty in court, which they lost on all 14 accounts , the truth is our society does have a problem but this isn't an example if it, if any thing Micheal was a victim, we lump him with other celebs coz it's easier that way that.

[@emmaxtc4692]

I also liked that Wade and James were not stereotypical victims. I have blown away when they admitted yes I lied both times under oath cause I cared about him and even grieved him after he died. The way the anti-documentary crowd paints these men I expected them to be angry and seeking revenge. I was almost expecting angry and hateful testimony, dragging him to the dirt. But they actually still show care for the man they are accusing of rape and molestation.

[@madameshahira4483]

Emma XTC and it hurts alot. Victims can still care and have feelings toward their abuser. It sucks.

[@whileyouareinmali]

Yes they are smiling all the way even safecheques mum was nearly laughing! Yeaa soo cool new type of victims no? BS liars!

[@Veronique428]

That man commit PERJURY, therefore he should be put in jail like Jussie Smollet for this fasle testimony on oath court which is against the LAWS‼ For goodness sake!

[@nicolef2147]

@justha vingfun once you lied (twice)under oath, it is over, you have zero credibility !

[@rose2654]

Of course they did. They want everyone on their side. Don’t take the Documentary at face value. Look for the proof. It’s there, and there’s a lot of it. If people can watch a 4 hr, one sided documentary, they can spend at least half that time researching facts that show that their stories have switched up multiple times, including why they lied. Wade only comes out with stuff about Michael when his career isn’t going or when he’s having troubles financially. I understand that victims do have a hard time coming out even years after the abuse, but Wade tried to be the head choreographer at Michael’s Cirque show, begging the family to go to his funeral, etc. Correct me if I’m wrong, but why would you go to such lengths to be apart of anything your abuser has to do with? He’s made so much clout from Michael and as soon as his career is falling off and all his business ventures aren’t working out (especially being rejected by the estate to work to do the show ( and he had been bragging that he got the gig even tho that wasn’t the case), all of a sudden Michael abused him. It’s suspect. And it’s not even a quarter of the why this whole thing is off.

[@limabima77]

New subbie binge watching, love how articulate you are!

[@nicolejay272]

leemah beemah MOOOOOD

[@geonah05]

It amazes me the lengths people go to defend their faves, yet I understand it. They'll defend legends because they can't fathom their idols as fallible humans too. It's disgusting, sad, and horrific. I loved this whole video but I especially appreciated what you said about justice. I haven't seen the doc but I have always been skeptical of people so quick to defend. It happens to women all the time - victim blaming and shaming. As a society and a culture we need to do better. Have more empathy and compassion to those who have been hurt. Michael had been hurt too as an abused child but in no way does that ever justify his very intentional and insidious abuse towards others. As always, incredible videos and analyses, Kim!

[@traceynelson2170]

People defend him because there isn't any evidence, in fact the evidence points to Micheal's innocence. No one living in LA la land we understand people are human no one is perfect but now we live in believe everyone and look at amber heard and Jonny depth ,no people lie for money all the time or ruin someone, no one should be allowed to say what ever they want , what if some lied about you and we must believe that person without evidence, and allow it to ruin your life ...

[@Gpgonzalez623]

There is plenty of evidence from numerous eyewitness both in and out of court, markings on his gentialia that matched one os his accuser's description, he had an alarm system out of his bedroom door where no one saw him take any adult to bed, and he openly admitted to sharing beds with boys even after alraedy having been accused of child moelstation. I get that you really like his music, but please stop being foolish and acting like there is no evidence.@@traceynelson2170

[@sharr630]

I just watched it last night - both parts. All I can say is I always thought Michael was off and never doubted the accusations of child abuse. The documentary confirmed that the world turned its back on these kids, leaving the most vulnerable in society exposed like a raw nerve.

[@travelswithauntieann2551]

Sophia Harrison really well said x

[@jennwill80]

James Safechuck's pain was palpable. I believe him.

[@mandypink7878]

I agree. If they are acting they should be actors because they would deserve an Oscar.

[@crnkmnky]

@@mandypink7878 well, they've both been in showbusiness before, but nothing like this. 🙁

[@jennwill80]

@Shesaid it26 What does it mean to be a failed actor? The fact that he only made one national commercial? That's more professional work than 90% of actors get.

[@farrahsalazar7502]

Watch Taj Jackson speak on the credibility of these two alleged victims. Its a documentary not a courtroom.

[@IamCarrieNotBranshaw]

That's what you called acting my dear!!!!!

[@shanonb8921]

I REALLY WANTED TO BELEIVE MICHAEL BUT WITHIN 15 MINS INTO THE DOC...IT WAS OVER!

[@Azure_tv]

Because you’re a paid troll. Duh

[@Intricateofmolasses]

@@Azure_tv Got any proof?

[@HoracioMarquinez]

girl, you either run for office or gotta become a Justice... you will be the next Justice of US... your arguments are impressive.

[@tnfdo]

@@elva136 she technically said it was not needed. She knows what they would say. So the mind was made up from the start 😁

[@graceland5778]

@@elva136 Damn right that guy is way off for suggesting she run for office. Delusional is the best word.

[@sylvias190]

Seriously...her intelligence surpasses so many people in office at the moment

[@garybones6788]

Look up how Oprah handled the Harvy Weinstien Situation... That will tell you alot about How "sincere" she is about sexual Assault... This is all may be true. But the timing, the sources, and the motivation combined with what is to be gained raising some questions..

[@tubester4567]

Sexual abuse allegations have followed Michael for 30 years.

[@garybones6788]

I am not saying these two men aren't telling the truth. What I am saying is that any objective person will agree that there are major red flags with this entire situation. Fortunately for the two accusers they are trying the case in the court of public opinion so things like facts and credibility are not challenged they way they would be in a court of law. People need to realize that when someone makes an accusation it is not about what we should believe or not believe. It should be about conducting a thorough investigation to find the truth. Once we find the truth we need to punish any and ALL ABUSERS!!!!! That is how we protect ALL VICTIMS. The timing, the motivation, and the credibility of the two men just raises a lot of unanswered questions. Then we have Oprah.. I honestly question her motives because she has been pretty quiet through this climate of so many major figures in entertainment being accused of some sort of sexual abuse....But then she decides to spearhead a documentary and attack on Michael Jackson while backing two men who's credibility is shotty at best. We need to stop allowing the media and the entertainment industry to control us. We need to think for ourselves. That is all I am saying

[@garybones6788]

@@soul2soul399 I feel you and respect all victims. But please go and google the videos of how oprah has handled the harvey weinstein situation. Trust me!!! it will leave you asking..."Why michael jackson?"

[@nazimovab3549]

Good points Gary!! The hypocrisy is real.

[@tubester4567]

@@garybones6788 Weinstein's situation is still before the courts. Most media will back off until a verdict has been reached so as to not jeopardize the legal process.

[@divinehag8039]

The survivors of CSA that a I know still interact with their abusers. The perpetrators where a very close family freind, the sole source of financial support, and a step-parent. All of them revealed their abuse. The close family freind perpetrator interacts with some family members that the survivor avoids. The financial support perpetrator still provides financial support. The step-parent perpetrator is still married to the survivors biological parent. It has been my experience that it is not uncommon for CSA survivors to interact as adults with their abusers. Their families are using them as fuel for the fire to keep themselves warm. It is disgusting.

[@Grace1708]

Divine Hag Exactly! It’s weird how we know that this happens with regular people but refuse to accept that this was the case with MJ, too.

[@-postapokalypso-7289]

I refuse because there is more factual evidence for his innocence than there is for his guilt. And dont think I never doubt, I do. But I have to believe something in this case, and I chose the facts.

[@princessG313]

-Postapokalypso - see I’m on that fence there is more factual evidence of his innocence than guilt unlike R Kelly and Bill Cosby. Plus I get Andre Kelly vibes from Wade-and all this information about him...see people was absolutely right to call Andrea Kelly out when her past actions didn’t matchup with her actions of now. So I feel Wade and the other accuser can get the same type of energy. Just like R Kelly and Bill Cosby I believe their guilt due to facts. So I’m not jumping on this mob mentality for it to only bite me back when more facts come out.

[@zigowl1193]

Spot on!

[@msMonmakeup]

I think the thing people miss is that these men loved Michael Jackson. They felt strong feelings of both affection and attachment to him. They wanted to protect him while they were still not completely understanding of the abuse they experienced. I’m a survivor and breaking away from my abuser has not been easy. In fact, it would be easier to act like it didn’t happen or that it didn’t affect me. I can understand why these men couldn’t stop protecting MJ until they were grown and stronger.

[@CARATMom]

Macaley Culkin and Corey Feldman BOTH look like something happened in their childhood. They aren’t ready yet. But also, Micheal probably tried and didn’t succeed. It’s not like he was going to jump them. Part of the grooming process is determining candidates. They didn’t make the cut.

[@toni9890]

That’s disgusting, mjs accusations have been debunked so many times it’s ridiculous that you choose to believe it anyway. Corey Feldman has been abused by elites in Hollywood and he said he went to mj to confide in him. Not to mention the fbi did a secret 12 year investigation and couldn’t find anything.

[@MsDaem0n]

I have read about Macauley Culkin being sexually abused or even assaulted as a kid. It's very well possible that was by someone other than Jackson, he was a very young kid in a ruthless industry with zero protection. Culkin just mever talked about it publicly and I respect that. The poor dude has been through legit horror and I wish the best for him

[@toni9890]

@@ekg891 they were investigating for 12 years and he was unaware of the investigation, if he bribed them it wouldn’t have lasted that long you forget no one was on his side the FBI would randomly raid his place and at the time he was not seen as the worlds biggest star people didn’t take him seriously in the early 2000s and late 90s he was made fun of all the time.

[@marias7599]

I feel that we're going through a social revolution, and a very important one. All these women coming forward to accuse sexual harassment, all these men speaking about sexual abuse. We're finally facing things that because "they happened all the time" we passed them for normal when they're not. And I also know something very good will come out after all this.

[@Ravenscannotfly]

Frankly you've been one of the most level headed people on this topic

[@sapphiresorceress7007]

I’m just confused on how descriptive stories that definitely could’ve been cooperated trump everything MJ beat to clear his name. The R Kelly doc had actual receipts so I don’t see how this doc can be so convincing, just bc listening to stories made ppl feel some kind of way? Sounds like a highly skilled film maker did what they do best. I haven’t seen it but I really hope I’m not swayed by emotionally manipulative story telling only. I’m js 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@LadyCharity]

It's a one-sided story...the descriptive stories are coming from Victor Gutierrez and bits and pieces from the trials.

[@Itsunclegabby]

Watch it. There are receipts. MJ paid to have his name cleared.

[@faa1412]

@@Itsunclegabby No he didn't. This documentary offers no proof of anything, it just plays on the natural emotional response of humans. It's just a one-sided story, not even documentary; no independent sources to verify their claims; nothing! That's why they've been trying to get money from the Estate for years now, even the judge said their complaints are inconsistent.

[@Itsunclegabby]

@@faa1412 He did and he said he did in his interview with Martin Bashir.

[@KhadaJhin04]

@@Itsunclegabby you're talking about the $20 million that MJ paid as hush money? Well that was because he was on tour and his management didn't want him to cancel to go to court, leading to bigger financial losses and thousands of upset fans.

[@TatiSaysSo]

Since so many of you seem to be confused I’m posting this. It explains why Wades first lawsuit was dismissed and it wasn’t because the Judge thought he was lying 😒 Judge Beckloff has had to deny Wade Robson’s claim against the Estate (his Probate claim) because he couldn’t fit it into existing statute of limitations for the offenses Wade is claiming. One would assume that the same will happen to James Safechuck’s claim. Judge Beckloff said that although it’s quite reasonable to believe that Wade was brainwashed and threatened by Michael Jackson, that ceased when he died and Wade took an unreasonable amount of time to file. Both Wade and James still have the civil case in play against Michael Jackson’s companies. The next hearing for that case is 30th June 2015. It should be noted that the case was not dismissed because it was based on lies or that the case didn’t have any merit. The following sentence at the top of this post still applies.

[@TatiSaysSo]

Dnomyar Akunawik that’s not true.

[@TatiSaysSo]

Dnomyar Akunawik Did you even read my original post. Stop trolling.

[@graceland5778]

2015?

[@drfifteenmd7561]

What's your source?

[@Wundercheese00]

If the case is to old to prosecute under the law, the judge isn't going to waste any time analyzing the claims, they'll just dismiss it. The judge would have no opinion on whether wade was telling the truth because they would have never gotten to the point of considering that.

[@EveningTV]

i was right where you were and I was completely blown out of the water just like you. As a survivor of childhood abuse myself and as a counselor I know exactly why this story took so long to come out and how torturing to these men it was. I thought of Michael Jackson as a victim of abuse himself and I was surprised at how manipulative he was. It makes me so sad.

[@missethio7394]

The real manipulators in this whole thing is safe & wade. Watch lies of leaving neverland on KZbin, square one & loving neverland!! It talks about all the factual evidence & the start of the allegations. It will really blow u away. It points to Michael’s innocence. The director of this movie btw is a total fraud. He wanted rating & views. He didn’t do one research on these guys bc if he did he wouldn’t allow two perjurers in his film. He gave them a script & structured them very well

[@timdivine]

You are saying exactly what I said and felt. So on point. First sister with my perspective. Kudos.

[@giannacrotty8045]

Yes girl!

[@amandaloscutoff736]

Same!

[@MarleneMeier]

OMG you're one of the only people that is sane about this. So glad I found your channel. Preach!!

[@tnfdo]

You should find & read that trash book "micheal saw my lover" by Victor ( who fled the country after he got sued for the book). You can find their story in that book including the marriage ceremony they had 😊.

[@_m_w_m]

i am a demisexual male and i was abused throughout my teenage years. i'm 23 now and just now dealing with the aftermath. it can turn you into a monster and it really leaves a herculean task of being our own advocates in the healthiest ways possible. that feeling of helplessness is hard. there's a lot more but this is my first time talking about this publicly. i feel For Harriet's audience can gain a lot from my perspective so yah.

[@TheZWhite]

I love this video. There is video of Michael Jackson and James at Zales shopping for rings. The security saw that Michael Jackson was in disguise. Somehow they thought that Michael Jackson was shopping for his backup singer. Which he is never in record of dating this woman. Sheryl Crow.

[@TheTenshi11]

For Harriet: I watched it... I was extremely skeptical going in. I was blown away. I agree with your entire analysis sis!! I was so disturbed. This is an important topic. Oprah is right: this transcends MJ. This is about a discussion of how pedos train children.

[@faa1412]

So if it transcends MJ, then why were these men in the film trying to sue to Estate for hundreds of millions of dollars (and lost)? Why did the judge call out their inconsistencies? If people would really do their research they'd see these two were liars.

[@TheTenshi11]

@@faa1412 Um...I am not interested in their motives nor will I debate about why why they lied throughout the process of MJ's trial. What I found to be the most important piece of the story is the issue of child grooming. I think this is what people need to listen to.

[@TheTenshi11]

@@faa1412 Did you watch it?

[@GoldGlitter]

@@TheTenshi11 The person above is not referring to the 05 trial, he is stating they were in court all the way up to 2017 suing his estate for 100+ millions dollars. The Judge threw their case out when it came to light they had provided falsified documents to the court. Also they have changed their stories many times through this whole process. The case is currently on appeal, but with another change in statements (what is claimed in the documentary is different from court) their appeal is not likely to succeed.

[@organizedconfusionkd]

@@TheTenshi11 You know they didn't.

[@fionaw9577]

And we must remember Latoya tried to tell us

[@carsyncamp6846]

Well she was in an abusive relationship at the time and he was actively trying to separate her from her family.....so maybe she was telling the truth maybe he was making her lie.

[@springboard1994]

@@moonlightprincess449 How is it obvious? And what does her being abused by her husband have to do with what she said about Michael? I've seen that interview. There's nothing about her demeanor that seems like she was put up to lie. I've seen her acting. She ain't that good an actress!

[@springboard1994]

Fiona w, She even said, insisted, with all earnestness that her mother knew, and was disgusted. She said she called him a gay slur. Not pretty, but she was very religious. And I 100% believe LaToya. To think I saw Tom Sneddon as evil, like the Jackson camp painted him to be. Here, he was a tireless advocate; seeking justice for the victims.

[@springboard1994]

@@moonlightprincess449 , Okey dokey. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[@DG-ws8tw]

Here come the money arguments...

[@celtytompkins5294]

I wanted to believe that Michael was innocent because he was so magnetic and talented and I didn't want to admit that I had looked up to a monster. But I cannot deny the facts any longer, this documentary made me emotional and I am grateful for that because it opened my eyes to the reality of who Michael was.

[@timbo7873]

Did you watch Leaving Neverland Take Two?

[@clau6023]

So you decide to believe he's guilty because the documentary made you ''emotional''? Of course you'll get emotional and tricked into believing it, the doc included NO facts and NO proof at all, only 4 hours of disgusting stories and nonsense. Robson and Safechuck know what they are doing, please look them up and you'll see for yourself what kind of people they really are and what they have done in the past. Stop thinking what you WANT to think.

[@emanx222]

Cweez you literally took the words right out of my mouth I swear to God. So many people are literally reacting to this documentary purely on an *Emotional* basis with no desire to do research outside the Mockunentary. So much of the documentary is being debunked almost daily, Razorfist being one of the BEST to do it. His 3 part debunking of this bullshit is incredible. I’ve never seen someone so articulate with his facts and yet so passionate at the same time.

[@Lina-ji8jv]

@@clau6023 dont worry. they were counting exactly on such stupids.

[@ps-hb1es]

@@clau6023 MJ's behavior makes me think he is guilty. You don't want to be considered a kiddy diddler? Don't behave in constant and repetitive ways that NO other grown man would do because it isn't appropriate. He may not have had a childhood. That is no excuse. Get some therapy. Don't snuggle and hold hands with them, buy them gifts, have them sleep in your bed, buy them expensive jewelry. His behavior is what makes him look guilty these guys confirmed.

[@cuntapalooza]

Thank you for this. My abuser was murdered and now I’m not allowed to talk about what he put me through because I would be “disrespecting the dead.” I guess it doesn’t matter how much he disrespected me when he was alive. 😢

[@awambengue2820]

I Hope you are ok now ! I fell the same one of my abuser died and I feel that I’m direspecting him just by thinking about it 😢

[@awambengue2820]

I Hope you are ok now ! I fell the same one of my abuser died and I feel that I’m direspecting him just by thinking about it 😢

[@cuntapalooza]

@@awambengue2820 thank you!! Slowly doing better every day, and I hope the same for you. ❤️❤️❤️

[@Officiallylizi]

You are SUCH an intelligent, POWERFUL and articulate woman! I am sooo proud of you for watching the documentary and getting the facts before you comment. I literally agree with every single comment you made on this documentary and as a molestation victim it’s hurt me a lot to see people discount Wade and James story. As a victim you hear those details and immediately go back to darker times and it hurts real bad. Thank you.

[@2sidestothestory782]

Maybe you should look at the facts Michael was found innocent and these guys have been trying to get money from his estate for the past 7 years.

[@lucybladon1751]

@@2sidestothestory782 Wade and James have actually addressed that he was found not guilty. Mj supporters are not addressing the fact that child sexual abuse can be extremely damaging to a child and affects them going into adult life. They were groomed, they admit that he was an amazing person that they still care for and felt the need to protect as Michael would tell them if it got out they would both be imprisoned. Most sexual abuse cases do not have any physical evidence and people are justifying this because he was who he was and he was found not guilty. Prior to Wade and James making these accusations there were two other boys that were the ones that pressed charges all of them years ago. 4 people that were close to MJ have now spoke out in total. No smoke without fire and MJ admitted in an interview that he had sleepovers with little boys - which is strange for children to be doing with strangers even if the stranger was Michael Jackson. Body language experts have looked at Wade and James' body language and have said that they are telling the truth. Stop defending a paedophile it's disgusting and no wonder victims are scared to speak out against their abusers.

[@2sidestothestory782]

@@maryriver2311 Save it. A guy molested me when I was 5. I'm still 100%. So watch your mouth.

[@urmom777]

1st version: in Wade's complaint he claims that on the first night he stayed at Neverland Wade his sister and Jackson shared a bed. Wade claims that on the second night his sister opted to sleep on the upper level. This is when wade claims michael first molested him. 2nd version: in Wade's book draft he was shopping on late 2012/ early 2013 ( as uncovered in the process of discovery) . Wade claims he wasn't molested during the first two nights he spent at Neverland. He claims it started when his family left him alone the following week. 3rd version: in Wade's 2016 deposition he was asked of his account of the first two nights at Neverland as per his book draft was consistent of his memory now. Wade replied , "Yeah . I don't really remember." 4th version: on may 26 2018 after his civil claim and civil lawsuit was firmly thrown out of court Wade gives an interview with inside edition to discuss his allegations he says: " Everytime we were together it happened. There was no night that went by that I was with him that he didn't sexually abuse me". Wade's sister's version: in the 2005 trial, Chantel claims that on the first night she stayed in the upper level of Jackson's bedroom. However, she became much more comfortable by the second night and made the decision to sleep in the bed with Michael and Wade. If this is accurate, then this would be the same night that Wade claims the molestation started when he first made his claim for financial compensation.

[@phi4liphe944]

Yeah but people don't wanna research the facts...lol Why believe the truth...IJS

[@Whitney2022]

@@phi4liphe944 people confuse feelings with actual facts nowadays

[@miaquartermaine2051]

girl shut your mouth

[@amorrow271]

Do you remember specifics from when you were seven? Not to mention the fact that trauma does change how our brain processes events. I think it is fine if you want to discuss inconsistencies, but you have to be realistic about how you discuss them. It is unfair to say that a person 100% wasn't abused because they have trouble pinpointing the exact day the abuse started, especially 12 years after the fact.

[@TheVegasbabyg]

amorrow271 But how many inconsistencies are too many? How many times can someone adjust their story before it becomes impossible to determine what’s legit? I can’t recall exact information from yesterday let alone when I was 7 so I don’t expect him to. But there should be some standard if people are asking anyone to believe and then make decisions based on that belief.

[@loserbiotch2]

it is so disheartening to see so many people dismissing these men. thanks for having a compassionate voice

[@denisesalt9729]

I appreciate your review. As a victim myself, I believe the kids and I have no interest in watching. I believed it after the trial. I just feel so sad for all the kids he abused. I still feel bad for Michael and what he went through when he was abused by his father, but none of his abuse excuses him abusing others.

[@2sidestothestory782]

The FBI checked Michael Jackson's computer and raided his ranch on a couple of occasions and interviewed witnesses and found him innocent. These guys tell a story for 4 hours using music and choreography to entice your emotions and you immediately believe Michael Jackson is guilty. Anybody who's a good salesman would make a lot of money selling used cars to people like you even if the cars were in past accidents simply because you believe they're telling the truth.

[@graceland5778]

But he didn't abuse nobody. That's the thing. Michael Jackson is 100% innocent.

[@tricitywarrior]

2 Sides To The Story Thank you! Someone who thinks like I do!

[@amydunnediditnow]

@@2sidestothestory782 their comment literally says that they DIDN'T watch it, and still believe them lol. can you read?

[@porscheamartin]

You betta preach about justice!!! The he was found innocent argument also pisses me off! No... they couldn’t prove he did it. That doesn’t mean he didn’t.

[@kevinlittrell7501]

yeah being found innocent under the US justice system, especially in regards for a person with power/wealth doesn't mean shit.

[@birdiewolf3497]

Hello. That argument is dumb as hell. Like I know we as black people aren't gonna sit here and just believe in the justice system like that. I mean George Zimmerman was also acquitted. Let's talk about all the times the police got off on the murder of black people. Come on now. I mean R Kelly was literally on tape and he still got off. So what are you even saying? It is foolishness.

[@sarahnyoni5011]

Porschea M it’s more than that, it’s the numerous holes in the accusers stories

[@whattheflip6787]

Chanelle Johnstone honestly like people watched the documentary and that was it they where convinced.

[@sarahnyoni5011]

@@whattheflip6787 Yeah, and I'm just doing what the documentary failed to do, presenting the other side. Interesting how people can watch a one sided documentary which presents no evidence and be convinced. I'm done playing teacher anyway, I'm out, leaving my last replies, lol.

[@A.J.8.8.8]

P.S. I also 100% agree to your rationale with why both Wade and James took so long to come out. If you understand both how the effects of sexual abuse works and how the powerful MJ was; it really was social suicide to speak up

[@MsOhhmg]

The other side of the story was NOT told in this fake documentary. Everyone should , at least, hear the counter points. It will make you think twice, even if it doesn’t fully change your mind.

[@jasmine6392]

For Harriet, this is coming late for me because I actually watched this video last year, but thank you so so much for putting this video out here. It so coherently captures so many of my thoughts in regard to this matter. I'm still pretty young, not too much younger than you, but I was a huge Michael Jackson fan for over 10 years before this documentary dropped. I was also a huge defender of him, had the 2005 court transcripts and could pull out facts about that and the 1993 allegations in an instance to prove why Michael Jackson was innocent and his accusers were bullshit. This documentary was really the last straw for me and made me acknowledge all the ways I had chosen to look the other way in terms of the facts. I recognize that things were always a little hazy in regards to the 1993 case, but I was convinced by the father's presentation of himself (saying on audio that he only cared about getting everything he wanted) and the catastrophe that was the 2005 court case that Michael Jackson was just a victim of greed and extortion. While I haven't watched the Leaving Neverland documentary, I have done everything but from watching the interviews with Wade and James and the news coverage last year to researching the profile and patterns of behavior of child sexual predators and how people, especially, men deal with this trauma. It all fits the character Michael Jackson presented to us all and the actions of both Wade and James. Also, being older I'm able to put things into perspective more. 15 year old me felt that an adult being friends with kids was fine and, being friends, sure sleepovers happen. 25 year old me sees how inappropriate that type of situation is, regardless of the adult's intentions. We as a (global as well as American) society need to be having more conversations around child sexual abuse. The fact that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 5 boys experience sexual abuse is MINDBLOWING. It is so pervasive, yet, we DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT. And for a myriad of complicated reasons that many of us do not have the willingness to even begin to understand, which is why we see the backlash that we do. I believe Wade when he says that not only did Michael Jackson groom him and his family but the whole world because he STILL got the wool pulled over our eyes. We need to wake up, pay attention and listen. Prayers to the Robsons, Safechucks and all the other families that have been (un)wittingly torn apart by sexual trauma. I really hope that we can make more room for their voices to be heard so that they can heal and we can be better equipped to address this tremendous issue.

[@JMW376]

I’m surprised that you switched sides? Have you seen Square One and Chase the Truth? Also, don’t you think it’s weird that Wade’s mother was caught liking pro-MJ posts on Facebook two years after she helped Wade file the abuse lawsuit? What mother would do that, if her child has indeed been abused? It doesn’t add up! Also, Jordan Chandler had the chance to pursue a criminal trial, but didn’t bother when he got money! And he wants nothing to do with Wade’s case! If he really was abused, don’t you think he’d be helping Wade out?

[@traceynelson2170]

@@JMW376 totally agree with you👍 this mockumentary has so many things wrong with it and has been debunked by outright lies, there isn't anything hasy about 1993 all the information is out there, these guys are making it up as they go along, there isn't any evidence , and to link this with other abuse stories is reaching, no doubt child abuse is real and serious issue but these guys are hurting real victims , when we need to have these conversations regards of these two liars.

[@judypayne5732]

So lemme get this straight. You had all the FACTS and information about this case, ALL THE FACTS including court transcripts, declarations, etc., extensive amounts of information and research about the cases and you still managed to switch sides after only watching a couple of interviews of these two men? Interesting...🤔

[@tabithas1554]

I had to take several breaks from this documentary! It was horrifying! I never expected the photo's, notes, phone calls, gifts, trips, sleepovers and the genuine love the men felt for Micheal. The sexual detail... It was so heartbreaking. Im haunted. Your 100 percent right! I subscribed! Your awesome!

[@catherinerainville4232]

Tabitha Suntheimer same

[@tnfdo]

If only you could find & read that trash book "micheal saw my lover" by Victor ( who fled the country after he got sued for the book). You can find their story in that book including the marriage ceremony they had 😊

[@Michelle-tp5lb]

tnfdo right

[@LadyTmuzikal1]

I really appreciate your review. I have a very sincere question...do you feel the same sympathy/empathy for the alleged victims of H Weinstein, R Simmons, R Kelly, B cosby or any other victims of this crime? I, as a survivor myself, continue to struggle with the selective outrage that many in this country have for certain victims over others...I still experience victim shaming on different level while others with different socioeconomic backgrounds seem to have more a platform where others are more likely to believe their experiences.

[@worldrankings4641]

Big difference between adults and children

[@LadyTmuzikal1]

@@worldrankings4641 I disagree. A crime is a crime...period. several of R Kelly's victims were also children during the abuse. I was 3, then 16 when I was molested, yet was met with judgement and opposition in favor of the abuser. Your statement us proving the point of the insensitivity many victims, regardless of age or background, go through.

[@ariw9405]

muzical1 you do realize you are doing exactly what you’re accusing her of doing this is cognitive dissidence. You as a survivor should you not always err on the side of the victim period?

[@BlackRose-px2iw]

I have the same sympathy&empathy for all csa victims. Weinstein, Kelly, Cosby & Jackson should all be held accountable for their crimes, and thank God Weinstein and Kelly are on trial now. Rich, powerfull men should not be able to get away with these crimes just because they're rich, powerfull, famous and talented.

[@LadyTmuzikal1]

@@ariw9405 how am I? All I did was ask a question....for which I have still not gotten an answer to. I've also not accused ANYONE of anything...how foolish

[@lexc.9658]

Wade’s father’s downfall into mental illness was heartbreaking - he knew some shit was going down and he had no power to stop it 💔😢

[@liatrida]

I know that the parents were very negligent, but we are judging them with the knowledge we have now. It has been a long road of people talking to get here from young sportsmen and musicians from religious communities. We know what these patterns of rapists and pedophiles are like. The parents of those children did not have that information, they did not know how to see the signs, they had wrong ideas about what a rapist looks like or what happens. I understand their guilt and I understand that they are paying it, and I really felt so sorry for them.

[@irinairinka6915]

Why shouldn't the man ask money? He has to pay all those psiciatric bills?

[@catherineblair550]

compensation for injuries isn't unheard of in any instance.

[@ChefBardo]

spell check ahem-

[@catherineblair550]

@@ChefBardo concept is more important then conformity. I could read it.

[@GodFatherCVI]

@@ChefBardo Bend over, grab your ankles, get ready for your surprise!

[@tnfdo]

Yes he asks for 1•6 billion. He was told no twice and having appeal coming up.

[@GlorianaLovejoy]

Wow, this was cathartic to watch. I'm still in the "shocked & painfully nauseated" phase after watching the doc, and you hit every single rational and reasonable point. I've been such a MJ fan since I was a child. I'm 40 and yeah, it's painful to accept a truth I really didn't truly want to. Videos like yours speak straight to my logic and powers of reason, which is extremely helpful. Thank you for that, I really mean it.

[@ms.ijustice6614]

Shame on you for not looking deeper into this story! When will you realize we are being written out of history. This is what KILLED MJ! please listen to a video that explains the documentary , this gentleman discusses the MANY inconsistencies in this documentary.(found on youtube) DTR :Leaving Neverland Debunked? (2 of 2) Believe it or not, some people are in fact GOOD People, only those who aren't so nice, find it inconceivable to believe MJ was just a very innocent caring human being, that far too many took advantage of. ... there are far too much evidence out there proving these men are documented liars, including having their cases thrown out of court for lying that was just recently.. And they are lying in this documentary as well. Please try to understand and recognize propaganda, before its too late. Until then, please, stay away from participating in jury duty. be well.

[@springboard1994]

@@ms.ijustice6614 Thanks for your comment 👍

[@somedude9528]

+Laurie Ann The documentary's full of shit. Sorry, but it's the truth. The pedophile narrative is just one of many baseless claims about the guy. They've called him everything from a pedophile to a womanizer, to a castrated man, to a HIV-positive man who gave people AIDS. But are any of those claims true?

[@ShaQuanBuffaloe]

I am here for everything my lil' sis is saying. She hit every single point that I have been saying since I've watched the documentary! To flatly deny that anything happened to these folks make you a part of the problem.

[@niqu631]

Hello Mrs. Buffaloe! Pleasant surprise to see your name in these comments! I noticed your name and saw your picture. I was in band with your daughters!!

[@TheZWhite]

Wade does not get enough credit for what he’s done. He was also in a rap group called Quo. That group was on Michael Jacksons label. There is a timeline of him having a connecting. He should be more credible than anyone. Including Macaulay Culkin.

[@kinkykoilykawaii]

I respect your opinion (and am not saying that flippantly). I have no opinion on whether the allegations are true or not. The only people who know the truth are the men and MJ. My only potential issue with the documentary is that the narrative sounds very one sided. It would be more credible if they were presenting both sides of the story. What was the evidence presented on the other side? I’m not saying the creator needed to provide him with an excuse, just present both sides. Also, you have to add alleged to all accusations because not only was nothing proven, he was acquitted. This does not mean he did not do it, but it has not been proven.

[@casuallym3]

N.L. B. exactly.

[@wolflarson71]

N.L.B.- I went in extremely skeptical but there is just no way to have any skepticism whatsoever by the end of the movie. The emotion and details by the victims and their families were entirely convincing (anyone who thinks they are acting and lying is delusional). Watch it and then come back with your thoughts.

[@Trumoo.9]

If they included that wade robson dated his niece. I wouldn’t deny it but he’s hiding too much information

[@Lilbit0912]

@@wolflarson71 I'm guessing that you've never heard of acting because they do the exact same thing all the time in movies

[@wolflarson71]

Kira- right. The victims and their families just happened to be better than your average professional Hollywood actor. Because that is plausible.

[@DanYeLL2003]

I think the fact that their stories were soooooo similar is kind of suspicious actually. And another thing that confuses me is that Micheal hung out with hundreds of kids and only these 2 were touched??? And before anyone brings up the other cases ALL of the other accusers have admitted to lying.

[@onemillionpercent]

yes, and the other accusers have also been debunked whereas hundreds testified for Michael. MJ is being media-assassinated. he is innocent.

[@sarahnyoni5011]

Cookie Monster they’ve known each other properly since 2013 and have the same lawyer , it is very suspicious ☕️they’ve been in regular contact

[@blackmore4]

@@sarahnyoni5011 Suspicious... as suspicious as a lipstick wearing grown man speaking in a fake falsetto having sleepovers with countless pre-pubescent boys?

[@mweeming]

@Cookie Monster they met as children and only saw each other when they were around their abuser. Wow!!!!!!!!!

[@aranielleb7718]

How many of them shared his room???

[@keithmccaslyn2527]

Nailed it!! Nailed It !! Nailed !!! This Gal,put all of this, upfront and center...bullseyes !! Boom!!

[@hannah-6080]

Everyone defends MJ I feel like because of his music of course but also because "he was so childlike" and because of the difficult childhood he had himself. And yeah he kind of was, if you watch old interviews of him he always was soft-spoken and really weirdly "innocent" and it's easy to feel for him becoming a star as a child and never having a real childhood. And all of that is true and heartbreaking but the fact is there is still such overwhelming evidence that he was an abuser. He was an addict, he was extremely narcissistic and my feeling is that once he understood he was a superstar, he did whatever he wanted. And the signs of abuse are so obvious it's fucking creepy that a grown man named his house "Neverland" and owned a chimp and always had little boys tagging along in his music videos. Some people don't grow up from their trauma and I believe he never did, I believe he allowed it to rot his heart and become a pedophile because who was going to stop him? The world was obsessed with MJ and he bought the lie that he was above us because of it. And he allowed himself to become an abuser because he really believed he could do no wrong,I guess. It's possible to acknowledge the humanity of Jackson, and that he had his own shitty childhood, and his own personality, while also recognizing that he was a pedophile. I don't even know I'm talking out of my ass but it's so frustrating. Such a creepy guy and so sad that we all allowed this to happen, looking the other way when there were so many red flags about his relationships with children.

[@Catbooks]

Excellent comment. You've hit the proverbial nail on the head. 👏

[@sebbrown2995]

Remember he spent a lot of time at their house that way the parents started to trust Michael so they trusted him alone with the kids I was a big fan but I had to watch it out side of being a fan what I saw was a master manipulator and Michael was trying hide behind the image. Its soooooo deep

[@-postapokalypso-7289]

We are really watching too much Netflix xD

[@sebbrown2995]

-Postapokalypso - what do you mean ?

[@Amariiiiie]

Please do objective research before forming conclusions from a one-sides documentary.

[@sebbrown2995]

I am 44 years old I was a super fan, I still to this day have every album posters, dolls, watch, shoes, and more yes I was denying this stuff since high school. Because I couldn’t see it or believe it. Also I’m not one to go back and forth on who’s right and who’s wrong. I just feel like something happen with those guys. Just like you may feel like nothing happened and that’s ok you’re in titled to feel that way thank you

[@annieemanniee]

New subscriber. You analysed the whole pandemonium so well. Our world is a terribly magnificent jumble of good and bad. And it’s spot on accurate honest level headed opinions like yours that keep society from losing morality and sense. Girl. You done good. I hope his victims get the justice and closure they deserve. It’s only fair. Time tells ALL!

[@traceynelson2170]

I don't think it's level there was no fact checking or evidence to support any of their claims, in fact alot of it has now been debunked, the fact that you started the video talking about Oprah makes it's very bais , you support it coz she does and she is so we'll respected that everyone assumes that it's been fact checked and accurate, it's not ,not by a long shot. Shame on Oprah she is better than that!

[@aquilhall262]

I blame the parents! Why would you leave your 7 year old with a grown ass man you don't know? How?!