Francis Chan vs. Todd White - Prosperity Gospel

[@user-fg7kk1kn6b]

Prosperity of God means you lose everything and gain Jesus..

[@chriswolf529]

no, it means you loose control and God takes the throne of your life. you may loose it all but God is good and there are many verses in scripture about his love and blessings. gaining Christ means you are being restored to what you were meant to be from the beginning. gods child. and god wants to give his children good gifts. but the greatest gift is him. try reading Matthew 7:11

[@DariusZD7]

@@chriswolf529 Yea tell that to the first church an apostles who were slain for Jesus Christ. They didn't care about their life because their only value was Jesus. And they gladly gave it away. You are not taking the whole gospel in its context.

[@itscoleperkins]

Stop creating this type of division over small things. Use your time to go preach the gospel to the lost. Both of these people are great men of God and he uses them to do great things for the kingdom.

[@eleventhirty-seven9628]

Cole Perkins Just like Frank Hammond’s dream in Pigs in the Parlor. Denominations argue against each other instead of coming together as a team which is exactly what God wants

[@peytonsingh6258]

@@eleventhirty-seven9628 2 Timothy 3:16-17~ All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. God bless you and Jesus loves you!

[@jamesboreson]

I listen to todd white and Francis chan constantly and they preach the same gospel. You are taking todd waaaayyyyy out of context.

[@jada-virginiasurpin3851]

100% agree

[@kamiliajohnson7430]

Yes. I've heard Todd White speak about money and I've heard "prosperity gospel" it's not the same thing.

[@PopularGospel]

Todd believes that it's always God's will that we are healed and are wealthy. Yes, he warns against the idolatry of those things but so does Creflo Dollar, etc. But he is still adding to the gospel a promise that isn't promised in this life, and using that to attract sinners. Todd's method of "evangelism by blessing" is to pray for healing, or to bless people with money, followed by "Jesus loves you." He never brings in the law of God (which exposes sin and shows a need for a Savior), the attributes of God (that He is both righteous, just, & gracious and loving) which shows sinner's that they are enemies with God. Todd teaches the "spiritual death of Jesus" doctrine taught by other Word of Faith teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, etc. (Jesus went to hell, suffered in hell at the hands of demons, died spiritually, and was born again). This doctrine says that Jesus had to continue paying for our sins in hell, rendering Jesus' statement at the cross, "It is finished"- a lie. It is also impossible for the Son of God to cease being God (dying spiritually), because God cannot cease to be God. Todd denies the deity of Christ in the incarnation like Kenneth Copeland, Dan Mohler, Bill Johnson, etc. (kenotic theology), which is an essential aspect of the gospel. He teaches that Jesus emptied himself of all divinity, wasn't here as God, and didn't live His sinless life, do miracles, or die on the cross as God... but as a man in right relationship with God (a man with the Holy Spirit like us). The true gospel requires that Jesus is the GodMan- truly and fully God, and truly and fully man, in order to be our mediator. Essentially Todd teaches that man accomplished our salvation, not God, and that man is "on-par" with Jesus. This is classic Word of Faith doctrine, which deifies man and demotes Christ (based on E.W. Kenyon's teaching that "the believer is as much of an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth."). Kenotic theology is outside of Christian orthodoxy (heresy).

[@JMz685]

@@PopularGospel Todd White actually addresses those objections to the divinity of Jesus. He never said that Jesus stopped being God he was saying that Jesus role on this earth was to give his life for the ransom of many. Even though he was God, he humbled himself and took the form of a servant. Now the Holy Spirit empowers us to walk just like Jesus, when we are born again we are restored back to Gods image. 1 John 4:17 says that "Just as he is so are we in this world." There is physical sickness and infirmity. Gods will isn't for us to have physical sickness Jesus bore our sickness on the cross. Paul did have a thorn in the flesh but from the context he isn't talking about a sickness. We will face persecution but that doesnt mean that sickness is Gods will.

[@ChinoV]

James Boreson - Todd white teaches Jesus was man, not God in flesh. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqO7qHiwh7V4itU

[@jamesramelli6868]

Thanks for the upload. I imagine anyone disagreeing with this video supports Todd White and his false prosperity while failing to discern his errors. The light must be separate from the dark; Therefore, why is Francis supporting Todd White? It really makes me sad. And sad for a lot of these other commenters who can't seem to find the obvious difference.

[@festivalouscalpito7165]

This man loves God. He preach in the send conference and didnt endorse prosperity. But instead rebuke the hyped people in the gathering by being genuine in serving God through serving their neighbors. He even dare the people to go to india and leave their treasures for the sake of the kingdom.

[@festivalouscalpito7165]

So long as francis is not preaching heresy. I might not agree with some beliefs of todd, but so long as todd is breathing, it is a sign that God is giving todd and every human being a chance to change our wrong ways. One soul has value in the eyes of God, for His Son's blood poured out even to most wicked person we could ever known. And I think francis is trying to win their soul. Not by attacking them, but by gentleness and wisdom. You can see how Francis boldly rebuked the hype by asking them to go to india. Francis is doin every possible way to win those souls even of it costs its own reputation. Atleast let's thank God that one man stand on that stage rebuking self centered prosperity people. I love you man, i know its hard to understand, but all we can do now is pray for francis and every soul whom we are all accountable for.

[@festivalouscalpito7165]

thank you for the conversation and being watchful. Yet it is too early for me to list francis as one of the false teacher. Let's pray for them.

[@Dead2MyselfMinistries]

The whole conference was calling people to missions. India, Africa... the world. Francis was one of many calling people to the radical call of Jesus. Did anyone watch was Todd said there and why Francis called him a man of God. He was literally calling people away from sin. Go watch it and tell me he is a false teacher

[@Dead2MyselfMinistries]

n9wff do you really know where Todd lives and how much money he makes. Far as I know he lived in a broken down trailer and finally saved up for a house. He gives away tons of his money. He has spoken many times by living by faith that God will provide so he gives with no concern that he may not pay his bills. He models radical generosity and has spoken against the prosperity gospel many times. All his KZbin are set with no ads so they will be free and people can listen without be advertised to. He makes documentary’s for free distribution. He lets people come to his conference for free if they can’t afford it. He is in the boat as Francis. He shared the stage with some people he shouldn’t. But he himself is a solid bible teacher. Living radically for Jesus. He is never up there with a nice suite trying to get money out of people. He gives big and does not take. If you would watch him you would know that. Love your brother

[@qualityleafguardsguards7978]

So thankful that Chan is growing in truth and Holy Spirit is opening his eyes and so thankful for bold men of God like Todd white 🕊🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@jasmine.cook13]

The things spoken by Todd White are taken out of context entirely. I watched the sermon and it does not support prosperity gospel. Todd White is specifically talking about having a prosperous soul and he goes on to say that money doesn’t matter. He then talks about how powerful money is in the hands of the world: pimps, drug dealers, etc. Additionally, he talks about tithe and giving and the importance of both of these things. And when he says that he “doesn’t care what people say” he is referring to something very specific that I can’t quite remember in this moment. My point still stands that this was taken out of context.

[@PopularGospel]

Sorry, but you're wrong. Even within the full context ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYrdhJtpeN6KgtU ) Todd is still saying that it's always God's will that you're healthy and wealthy, and that health and wealth should be things that attract non-believers to the faith. It doesn't matter if he speaks out of the other side of his mouth and warns about the idolatry of money- most prosperity preachers do this. In the full context, Todd White also goes on to defend his mentor Kenneth Copeland who is the probably the worst of prosperity preachers. He also repeats Copeland's doctrine of the Abrahamic Blessing and teaches that if you sow seed into his ministry, that God will prosper you. This doesn't even touch the core issue here. The core issue with Copeland and White's teaching is that they deify man, and demote Christ.

[@JesusLovesYouSoMuch1]

You will know them by their fruits and Todd is clearly out there bringing Jesus to the world. Be careful of speaking about God’s anointed because he doesn’t take that lightly.

[@57andstillkicking]

Todd also doesn’t come close to teaching the “prosperity gospel”.

[@HiHoSilvey]

@@57andstillkicking Todd's spiritual father (his words) is Kenneth Copeland. Tell me if this doesn't raise your hair: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b33Xd2ZqgtemnKs

[@SimplyBeautiful516]

Carole Beth Actually, Todd does preach a prosperity gospel. It’s just that it’s in a different package. It’s more subtle. And he’s just getting started. Right now he’s building up his base of followers. So he can’t be as open about it. But, he lives in $6 million dollar home. He doesn’t get that by not preaching a prosperity gospel. And he preaches sowing into his “ministry “. Which is not scriptural! If you want to know him as he really is , check out ““heresy of Todd White.” on KZbin. He will condemn himself with his own words. He wouldn’t be called “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” if you could easily see that he’s a wolf. He says truth mixed with lies and just like Kenneth Copeland twists Scriptures at every sermon. But he seems so sincere and full of love that people fall for it. Satan is called the angel of light in the Bible because he “looks like the real thing “ but his path is eternal damnation.

[@57andstillkicking]

Lynnette Jennings You don’t know Todd, you’re just judging through hearsay. You couldn’t be more wrong.

[@SimplyBeautiful516]

Carole Beth Wait. I didn’t realize you were a personal friend of Todd’s. Then please tell us , what does he answer when you sit down and ask him why he’s continually partnering with one of the biggest heretical preachers in the world? You must have asked him that at some point since you know him so well. I know I’m sounding sarcastic, but unless you have actually sat down with him and asked him why He mangles the gospel of Jesus Christ into a false gospel, or why he preaches that Jesus wasn’t actually God, then your friendship with him is not honest.

[@DanielCanepa331]

All these men preach a different Jesus. But God is calling all His children through His word.

[@festivalouscalpito7165]

go to india and preach the gospel or atleast pray for francis

[@calebbrinson6704]

Think brother, does not the mormons and jehovah's witness preach a different Jesus as well? If you stray from the true teachings of Christ and who He really is, then you're teaching or preaching a false Gospel. Doing the will of the enemy

[@AikiPrinciple]

Having watched hours of Todd White and am working on viewing as much of Francis Chan videos... I agree with another comment. This video seems a bit deceptive from what I've seen of these men. Though there are elements of Todd White I disagree with, I don't recall him presenting a "prosperity" teaching. In a nutshell, I'd say his main message is how to take one's Christianity out of the church building and make it a very real part of your life. How to be a honest disciple every day. This video also seems problematic to me. Instead of criticizing another's view of Christ to people (essentially gossiping about people), why not present your understanding? If you have an opinion on "prosperity" teachings, share it. Support it with scripture. But let's be fair... The only real reason to put names like Francis Chan, Todd White, etc. is to get a video on your channel to pop up on a search for these men or so KZbin algorithms might "suggest" this video to folks who watch videos by those men.

[@PopularGospel]

You can find my view of the gospel by watching the film "American Gospel: Christ Alone". Todd White does identify himself within the Word of Faith prosperity movement, teaches many of those doctrines, and considers the biggest heretics in that movement to be his mentors (Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn). If you watch that film, you'll also see how he fakes some of his miracles. This isn't gossip. This video was made to get a response from Francis Chan (and it worked).

[@PopularGospel]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6q9kImjYtebldU

[@AikiPrinciple]

Nice salesmanship. Convenient that your response is another video you made and not an independent source. But again, the idea that life will be different is not the same as the Joel Osteen gospel that you’ll become wealthy and healthy. If life doesn’t change (because you are changed by the gospel) what is the point? Just my opinion.

[@PopularGospel]

R. S. R. S. Todd does teach that it’s always God’s will for you to be healthy and wealthy. He even says that Christian wealth is a way for unbelievers to be “jealous” (a way to attract them to the Faith- which is idolatry). The gospel promises suffering, but contentment in that suffering. It doesn’t promise health and wealth in this life... but the next life.

[@AikiPrinciple]

@@PopularGospel The gospel does promises suffering. It also promises hope... Hope for prosperity, health, forgiveness and salvation. Jeremiah 29:11 The issue with money is to not become a servant to the idol of wealth, but to make money a servant to your efforts to growing the Kingdom. Just like anything else in following the Way, if the tool provided by the Lord is used (or abused) with for the wrong motivation, it becomes sinful. Luke 16:10-11. The trick is not to become like Ananias and Sapphria (Acts 5:1-10), "give" out of selfish ego-based motivations and not be sincere with your giving. I have no doubt that if Todd White is guilty of wrong, the Lord will address that. My issue is it seems there are people claiming to be Christians who are jealous of another's ministry. They spend more time trying to take that ministry down because of their jealousy (or because they don't like another's understanding) than trying to helping the lost find the Gate. Remember Romans 14:1-4: "14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand." Tend to your own chores in growing the Kingdom as your talents allow and not to your desire to prove another servant "wrong".

[@reformedcatholic457]

I have concerns for Francis Chan, I think his discernment is blinded by "love" if you truly love someone you will tell them the truth. I still believe Francis Chan is our brother in Christ but it's only when he starts preaching what Todd White preaches then that is when he is in danger of becoming a false teacher himself. We need to pray for them both.

[@harlandfriendofgod6108]

Romans 14:4 “Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.”

[@Dead2MyselfMinistries]

Ya it would a shame if he preached like Todd. Repentance, conviction, the cross of Christ. There is only way to the Father through Jesus. The importance of the word of God. Spending time with Jesus over the things of the world. Sonship. Etc etc. I am being sarcastic. Both are great preacher s and preach the same Gospel. There is no conflict theologically between the two. Videos trying to cause division yet. Problem here

[@reformedcatholic457]

@@Dead2MyselfMinistries The problem with Todd is he is not preaching that to the lost, he is healing them and telling them that Jesus loves them so no preaching of the cross, no conviction and no repentance. Sinners are born from above by preaching of the Gospel.

[@Dead2MyselfMinistries]

Biblical Christianity yes he definitely is preaching that to the lost. He tells them Jesus loves them but he definitely preaches repentance. I have seen him and heard him do both. I have seen him call people on their sexual immorality and on their abuse of alcohol etc etc. I don’t know where you get your information. But it’s an assumption. Jesus is full of Grace and mercy and is calling people out of sin. To tell someone Jesus loves them and show them that love by healing is fantastic but you def confront the sin and their need for His grace, mercy and salvation. Which Todd def does. Your judging someone with little to no knowledge of them. Love your brother

[@aaronkrumbach2943]

Biblical Christianity wow I can’t believe he is healing people and telling them Jesus loves them, the nerve. How often do you do that

[@Stanzi18]

Somebody please send this to Francis Chan!

[@a5dr3]

No one has perfect theology. Francis is trying to see the good in these movements. White certainly has errors but he’s still a sincere Christian that God works through.

[@dakotatallent9934]

Yeah guys I'm on the fence. I wanna believe these guys genuinely care and are good people but they're being deceived or mislead. At the same time though it seems as though they themselves are the decepticons.

[@TownsendHamilton]

Bro you’re taking them all out of context

[@elizabethlehman7375]

It's sad when people words are taken so out of context. Todd White does not preach the prosperity gospel.

[@PopularGospel]

Elizabeth Lehman sure he does. His evangelism is healing + money (blessings of health and wealth) minus talk of sin, repentance, replaced with “you’re amazing!” Todd believes and teaches all the Word of Faith doctrines, including it’s always Gods will to heal, that He will bless you financially if you sow seeds into his ministry, and most seriously... that Jesus didn’t live on earth as God, but as a man in right relationship with God. This is the core of the “little gods” doctrine which makes the believer on par with Christ (we can do the same miracles and live a sinless life like Jesus). It’s a satanic lie to deify man and demote Christ. That’s a Christ that can’t save.

[@nazarethbellom.771]

Of course he does. If you have time, I invite you to watch American Gospel: Christ Alone.

[@KaleBritton]

Very shady editing on this one. By far very shady😂

[@PopularGospel]

Not shady at all. Francis has spoken against prosperity doctrine. Todd White supports prosperity doctrine. Yet, Francis is endorsing men like Todd as "men of God". All of these things are true. Nothing is distorted or deceptively edited.

[@edgarguiher2193]

The only shadiness is the shade that is over your eyes preventing you from seeing the truth.

[@catherinegray1367]

Snippets put together for false teachings. I dare ANYONE to look at the Transformation of Todd's life and somehow find that he is evil or tricking man. We are ALL responsible for that which we know and teach. Even Dan (Mohler) says it feels "distasteful" to make any comment on another pastor or church so he and Todd NEVER go there. I'd say that's true Christianity. Dan: "I am either the most deceived man you have ever met, or I'm on to something. Time will tell and God will reveal." Both of these guys are PURE love, spending their OWN money to travel and teach. As Dan says, "I buy my own plane tickets-I will not take any money to travel and preach." This guy gets over 2400 requests to teach per year. He travels 45 weeks ON HIS OWN DIME Fri through Sun to share the Good News.

[@PopularGospel]

Catherine, Todd has been trying to raise 19 million dollars since late 2017. He's still raising funds today. That isn't his own money. Lifestyle Christianity's income is publicly available in their tax documents (990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/464/464214548/464214548_201612_990.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1H1TdaU5rQjhUJjT4jOb23RBi0qWpecWlCUn5nBHfoif50hXotNlnINZA ). Todd's organization received almost $298,460 for speaking fees. I ask that you watch both of these videos with an open mind to see how Todd is tricking you into believing that he is lengthening legs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jabciJp8l5Wjask kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJaVYYuKpM12hNE

[@edgarguiher2193]

@@catherinegray1367 ok I'll take you up on that dare. I have compared his teachings to the Bible and found serious heresy. I have seen him trick people into thinking God is growing their legs out. I have seen him preach God loves them and not tell them their need for repentance when he evangelizes but on stage he talks about repentance. I have seen him boast in his sinlessness and even cry about how much he wishes people would be like him. My discernment cries out FALSE TEACHER!

[@eddiesprain8243]

My Bible says God takes pleasure in the prosperity of His servants. Also that the blessing of the LORD makes rich.

[@hunterfyffe149]

Does your Bible have 1 Thessalonians in it? Because Paul explicitly states that every Christian will suffer, just as Christ did, and that we are to take joy in suffering, because when we suffer, we are squeezed from every direction, and this creates purity in the Christian and in the church. I am genuinely commenting so that you can know that what the prosperity guys teach is wrong. Even what you quote, the Psalms, you should reread without the prosperity lens. There are a WHOLE lot more laments, pruning, crying out to God, and destruction around the Psalmist than there is prosperity. Ultimately, I believe that every Christian will "live their best life." But their best life is not this one, it is the next.

[@annlove9329]

I attended a Todd White conference late last year called Power and Love.. I was very out off by the celebrity status thing of his ministry. I felt he was like a showman and it wasn't really about the gospel. I was desperate and hungry for something.. But I didn't find it here.. He didn't lay hands on me.. When he preached he made some good points about evangelising and made an altar call for persons to give up sins like pornorgraphy and stuff.. But I don't know.. It just wasn't there.. Something wasn't there.. I was also pertebed by the whole branding of these groups.. The tshirts and gear and all that.. Won't say I would go back.. I just didn't find anything deep

[@alejandrov19]

Ann S Love anything you need is in the Bible. Christianity is not about feelings, is about faith. Denying ourselves and loving our enemies and friends.

[@suren99110]

@@alejandrov19 That is the holy spirit convicting her that guy is a false prophet also Benny Hinn.. they're not that much of false prophets but Prosperity Gospel Prosperity Gospel will not get you into heaven they do through for Ultra call ... but anybody could play around with the Bible that's what a lot of this Prosperity churches do but the motives are completely wrong.. so I agree with the woman who wrote this letter... he's a show Entertainment pastor just like Joe Olsten

[@DanielSilva-jm1ix]

Ann S Love I went in P&L Conference two times. Todd laid his hands in me and my life changed forever. I have seen the same miracles happening in the streets and other people are following me in this kind of evangelism.

[@edgarguiher2193]

@@DanielSilva-jm1ix repent and believe the true gospel!

[@Stanzi18]

The kingdom of God is not a matter of talk, but of power. There is no power where a people seek the healing above the Healer, Nor the giving more Giver. Men called by God preach about God. God must be the center of our teaching. Sadly, the New Apostolic Reformation is just very signs and wonders oriented. I'm not saying they don't happen. I'm saying that they're meaningless without God. Get alone with God. Listen to great expositors and not thrill seekers.

[@jakephelps2641]

I like them both francis and todd

[@edgarguiher2193]

do you not know the gospel?

[@aljontumbali5992]

You will be attracted by what you are

[@aaronkrumbach2943]

I love both of these guys they are sold out for Christ. They live for him all the time. Look at their fruit.

[@edgarguiher2193]

pray and ask God to give you a love of the truth

[@bradoxley4595]

Jesus is truth and he shines through his disciples. No matter what the enemy will try and do like he has in this video. The truth of God stands firm and all glory will go to him. Yes and Amen to the truth of Jesus Christ!

[@pursuing222]

I don't know Francis Chan, I don't listen to his stuff but he's really popular, and it's just sad that so many people follow people are are compromising. Todd White is a bonafide false teacher. And Chan is just giving him a huge endorsement to his (Chan's) followers.

[@aaronkrumbach2943]

pursuing222 how is he false?

[@JackStClair-re8py]

pursuing222 proverbs 11:25 a generous man will be prosperous, and he who water will himself be watered. I could go on with like a billion verses/promises like this in the Bible. Either believe the Bible or don’t believe it at all! You don’t get to pick and choose what you want to believe from it but you do. Prosperity doesn’t always mean money money money money.

[@legendarygaming5390]

Todd white is fooled by Kenneth Copeland

[@oscarcat1231]

Yes I can’t understand anyone who thinks it’s ok to live in a huge mansion and have private jets and be a supposed Christian preacher???

[@mark5694]

Did the APOSTLES called by CHRIST himself act behave or live this kind of lifestyle.

[@linda2468lou]

What Todd White considers genuine works of the Spirit is a shameful affront to the name of Jesus Christ and His reputation. Todd brings public dishonor to the name of Jesus Christ.

[@aaronkrumbach2943]

Linda Keaton go follow him around for an hour

[@GarrettEderer]

This video is short and takes snippets of different things both people were saying. I don’t believe this accurately represents them. If you have a problem with any prosperity look at Solomon and Joseph. You know Jesus never had a broken bone in his life, that was a promise for him. He healed all that came to him. God healed me of terrible migraines I used to get many different years. These migraines would last for a week and my friend prayed for me. I felt God’s power go into my hand and something in my heart changed. The pain didn’t go away right away, but I didn’t care as much any more and just wanted to love other people. The next day my reoccurring migraines stopped. -I don’t think either of them are preaching that if you don’t have health or wealth something is completely wrong or that you’re not following God. Todd’s stance, from what I’ve seen, is that God wants to have you, your heart and along with that comes your finances. So people can trust God in if he tells them to give lots away, even beyond your means. -Judge a tree by its fruit. Look for the good or evil that is being produced by their teaching. Also look for the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

[@PopularGospel]

My friend, you yourself just affirmed that you believe prosperity gospel in your comment (that it's always God's will to heal, and to prosper). So you don't believe Francis Chan is against the prosperity gospel? And you don't believe Todd White is for the prosperity gospel? (even though you just affirmed that it's always God's will to heal and to bless your finances- as Todd White does). Here's the full clip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYrdhJtpeN6KgtU The only promises that come with the Christian life is suffering and persecution. Yes, some Christians are rich, and some are poor- but scripture doesn't promise prosperity or poverty for the believer. The Christian life is about being content in any circumstance (this was Paul's point in saying "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."). Also, to be against the prosperity gospel does not mean you have to believe that God doesn't heal today. So I'm not sure why you're trying to prove that He still does with your own experience.

[@GarrettEderer]

Thanks for commenting. I'm still working on my personal theology according to scripture in some areas, so it's good to hear opposing messages or different thoughts. I had those verses that you shared in my mind while typing my message too. If you look at my response I didn't say that everyone has to have wealth or health. -Surely Jesus was beaten and crucified and raised from the dead for our justification, so he wasn't always 'healthy' in that sense. Paul too, like you said, was persecuted every where he went. (Don't forget the story where he was bitten by a poisonous snake, but wasn't harmed. Acts 28:5) He was also stoned nearly to death and somehow pretty miraculously after the believers gathered around him, got up and went back into the city the next day. Yes to be content in every circumstance is surely good. Just like Jesus. "Foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the son of man has no place to rest his head." (To me there are so many thoughts and beliefs people can have about scriptures so it's really good to look at them all together. Maybe from this one people can claim that all Christians today should be nomads, people without dwellings. Some people in life don't have dwellings now and that doesn't mean God doesn't love them. James says that the poor are rich in faith and should be rejoicing at their low standing. He loves us all the same. But some people do have houses and they can take people in that don't have houses.) What I see in the New Testament is always God's desire for good distribution. For the rich to not be too rich and the poor to not be too poor. More equality. There is a concept of God blessing people with what they need though and people reaping what they sow. Let's look at 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. So that is defiantly about money. Sometimes to be able to share money, you have to be blessed in some way right? In the video clip you showed of Todd he says, "The devil doesn't want you to get a revelation of finances ever, because if he does he loses control of you." This right here isn't talking about amassing wealth for just yourself, but about being a generous giver. (I did watch the short clip you sent me of the other person that doesn't agree with Todd and his connections with Kenneth Copeland. I don't know about Kenneth Copeland, so I'll look into that. But if you look at the person who posted that video at the bottom of their written message it says "The true Christ is both fully & truly God and fully and truly man. No one has or will ever do greater miracles than Christ, or live a sinless life like Christ." Obviously this person doesn't believe in Jesus's words, or doesn't know them very well. John 14: 12 "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." Also, we are called to live Holy once we are saved and in Galatians 5:16 it says "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." God's spirit helps us to live sinless once we are saved. In 1 John 1 -But if we do sin we have an advocate and if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us of all unrighteousness). Yes I did say Jesus healed all the came to him. Can you show me a place where he didn't heal someone? Here are some scriptures that might go against being healed all the time. --The place where the sorcerer is made blind. (Acts 13:11) Because he is filled with evil and opposing the truth, he is made blind, but only for a time. -Paul being blinded on his way to Damascus. -healed after 3 days. -In the book of Revelation it talks about people following an evil spirit being cast upon a sick bed. -1 Timothy 5:23 -Timothy is instructed to take some wine and not just drink water for his frequent illnesses. -Some people might mention Paul's thorn, but I believe that is linked to persecution, not to just some illness he always has to put up with. -The disciples of Jesus couldn't heal someone that asked. They were rebuked by Jesus. (Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:14-29, Luke 9: 37-42) Here's the reason Jesus gave them as to why the boy wasn't healed when they prayed. Matthew 17:19-21 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not drive it out?” 20 And He said to them, “Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. 21 [“But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”] I could write more, but I really have to get ready and go to work haha. Quickly one last point. I think the main reason people oppose some of these things is because they want to believe God loves them in whatever situation they are in. This is completely true. For God so loved the world he gave his only son. But the place where people get caught up is that they believe that everything that happens is the will of God. The scriptures say to pray for God's will to be done and for God's kingdom to come. So obviously God's will is not always being done and there are some things he hates and wants to change.

[@travishowett1189]

Perhaps like so many others Francis Chan took the time to see the other view points?

[@randydodd7838]

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[@tiffanyl3157]

Matthew 6:19-21 (ESV) Lay Up Treasures in Heaven 19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[a] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

[@unconditionalloveandvictor8148]

God promises hee will prepare a table in front of our enemies. He does want us to prosper..its all over the bible..some of you are just not understanding..its not about rich for ourselves but for his glory...read up on it and get in the spirit..ppl talk about the spirit but they dont act in it

[@nikkowood4476]

It's possible that Francis just wasn't aware of some of the teachings of Todd. I have a friend who listened to a lot of Todd White, and completely rejected his teachings when he watched American Gospel: Christ Alone. He said he had never heard some of the heresy he teaches, since he listened to his podcast which is condensed to only 20 minute clips of his sermons. Francis has openly rejected the prosperity gospel, and has given up his whole life here in the U. S to even move to China to evangelize to the lost in a country that rejects Christ.

[@chriswolf529]

the GIANT point everyone seams to miss is that GOD loves US. he is the author of life, happiness, love, blessings and health but none of these things will ever compare with him. God does not promise us everything we could ever want on this earth but he does want good for us for he is the creator of goodness. the reason Jesus calls us to fallow him and deny ourselves is because if we choose blessings instead of him what we choose is worthless. Jesus himself openly confessed to god he did not want to endure the cross but he did it for our sake. if you think Jesus wants you to suffer you don't know the heart of god. it is the devil that wants your suffering. Jesus wants to be your father and king.

[@AmericanGospel]

Chris Wolf and it was the Father’s will that Christ should suffer, and “it pleased the Lord to crush Him” (Isaiah 53:10). To say that God doesn’t will suffering in the Christian life for our good is completely backwards. Suffering produces sanctification, causing us to realize our dependance on God, and is something we are to rejoice in. It’s Satan that wants you to avoid suffering. Why would Jesus say “Get behind me Satan” to Peter after Peter told him he wouldn’t suffer and die? “From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” - Matthew 16:21-23

[@chriswolf529]

@@AmericanGospel i think your missing the whole point of these scriptures. i encourage you to go back to the beginning. who is god? he is a good father. our reason for being alive is to partake in his love and glorify him. yes he allows suffering but it is necessary due to our evil hearts to grow and trust you have that part right. but do you think god enjoys seeing his children suffer? do you enjoy watching your kids suffer when you discipline them? no. Satan hates us and wants us to believe god is vindictive and cruel. the context of the lord being pleased that Jesus would die and suffer is because he knew it would bring his children home not because he enjoyed watching the crucifixion. psalms 92 15 says there is no evil in god. the heart of god is love. we should thank god for blessings and trust him in trials. to seek out suffering in the name of Jesus is called masochism and that's not god will. i doubt you believe in that rubbish its more likely you misunderstood what i was saying.

[@LD-nl5vf]

Prosperity gospel is an interpretation to conform to human nature. Jesus as human, himself, suffered. Jesus said to follow him. To follow and to share in his sufferings that you may share in his glory in heaven and not only earthly things. Jesus came down to earth to guide us to heaven eternity which prosperity on earth cannot give you.

[@824thor]

This is heavy hitting and the truth. Did Francis Chan loose his mind? I subscribed.

[@EDskywalker9966]

what makes me sad is there is like a “Civil War” amongst us Christians! I respect both Francis and Todd.... whose right and who is wrong? I honestly believe they are both doing what God called them to do just two different perspectives. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s just how I see it......

[@jakeweikel3667]

Edson Martinez i have to disagree with you here. This prosperity gospel that people like Todd preach does not lead people to salvation and is quite dangerous. It is a gospel that is not focused on God but is instead completely on the person. People follow this gospel only because they believe it will benefit them financially or health-wise. If you are truly saved then you pursue God not because it benefits you, but because of your love for Him and your desire to obey His commands. That includes during times of trial. If you are saved then you are called to look at trials like what is said in James 1:2-3 where you face it with joy, knowing that you will come out on the other side of it stronger in your faith than you were before. This prosperity gospel that people such as Todd White, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn all teach tells us that God wants us to be extremely wealthy and prosperous in this life and that if your faith is strong enough, you will never experience trials. But to see that this isn’t true you really don’t have to look any further than any faithful person in the Bible. Paul, Job, David, and Peter were all men of great faith, yet they experienced great trials and persecution for it. To look at that and dismiss it in any way is just an example of a hardened heart that is sold on the lies of this false prosperity gospel. It makes me sad as well to see all of this conflict, but that’s because out of love for the lost, it is the duty of people who are saved to try and open other people’s eyes to the dangers of these false teachers who refuse to even consider changing after being rebuked.

[@EDskywalker9966]

Jake Weikel yes I understand what you are saying. And yes I do believe it is the new believers that we have to look after because they don’t understand what is going on.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

I still think he wants both for us. The Bible asks us to pray for our needs and concerns expecting answers.

[@medosenuosekhose9355]

Nobody:Everyone wants to be rich Some depends on God Some depends on themselves

[@theendangeredpetrolhead]

Ugh... there is a HUGE difference between preaching that God wants prosperity for us vs the “Prosperity Gospel”. The Prosperity Gospel refers to fooling Christians into believing that they are guaranteed prosperity on earth if they follow Jesus which is WRONG. However, what Todd and Benny are teaching is that God FULLY DESIRES for us to have health and prosperity, but we also must expect that because of an earth given dominion by the devil and and earth of sin, we WILL be persecuted, condemned, ridiculed and hated, and must STILL choose to follow Christ. Both Todd and Benny teach this as well, but this youtuber is clearly quick to judge and does not watch everything these preachers say.

[@AlyssaNicole81119]

I'm sad that you took the time to try and insult amazing men of God like this it hurts my heart that you would think this is in any way helpful to the cause of our Lord and savior and further the kingdom of God

[@BastaLang]

No church is perfect. I've been a Christian all my life and each church has some lacking or weakness. I attended an evangelical church while growing up. The doctrine is sound and the aim is to focus on a higher Christian living within oneself and to do the great commission. Materialism and prosperity is not the focus. If you're poor, it's okay. They don't really preach much about material wealth. What's lacking is the focus on the Holy Spirit. If someone's sick, the church prays but don't actively rebuke the sickness. Passive prayer in my opinion. I went to a Baptist church. The doctrine is sound but it bothered me so much that they just stood up with their hands on the side. No clapping, no joyful worship, no excitement for the Lord. I wanted so badly to raise my hands and cry out to the Lord but it was so awkward because no one did that. Then I went to another church. A pentecostal church but all they preached was me, myself and I. The focus was always how God can help us. Their preaching was 90% from the new testament forgetting that the old testament has a lot of great examples and redemption. I'm now in another pentecostal church. Great worship service, great people. I was sick and they actively prayed. I got healed by the grace of God. I feel comfortable and settled. I have one problem though. I feel like it's leaning towards prosperity gospel. I give my tithe and offering. I also secretly give for the Great Commission. However, I feel like most of the preaching in this church is how God blessed them financially. There's always a collection of some sort (Lord Jesus forgive me for thinking this way). Because of that, I feel like everyone is expected to give something. They always talk about how God blessed them with me houses, new cars, etc... I believe they're blessed but there are other things to preach about than money. My husband who's not a Christian yet mentioned that many times. He said that the message that he's getting is that if you won't give, God won't bless you. I give what is due to the Lord- the tithe and offering. I also give for the great commission but that's something that my heart really desires and that's not part of this church. However, because of too many collections in church, I feel forced to give while my heart is not really open to giving. I feel guilty yet I feel like I have the reason to feel that way

[@kylez1196]

You have to start sharing the true gospel. Stop finding fault in other people. Because if you don't start sharing, others will. It's God who will judge people. What you should do is start preaching.

[@pelinalwhitestrake1176]

And preach what ? More false doctrine and theology that leads people to hell ? I used to attend a new faith movement church and had been to prosperity NAR conferences and I was going straight to hell due to my false teaching of the gospel! We are to call false teachers by name and proclaim the TRUE GOSPEL to all creatures

[@Dead2MyselfMinistries]

This is highly edited. Todd has never preached that there should be no struggles or trails. He is always taking about struggles we must face a believers. And preaches generosity and blessing others in every way possible. He has rejected the idea that to serve God is to get rich. He says we should trust God and He will provide not that He will make us rich. This is a deceptive video. Lying is wrong. Check your heart.

[@PopularGospel]

There is more to prosperity doctrine than you're suggesting. It doesn't matter if Todd preaches against the idolatry of wealth, or warns against being greedy- even Creflo Dollar does that (yet both Creflo and Todd live in mansions). Todd teaches that it is always God's will that we are healed and that we are wealthy. He identifies himself within the Word of Faith-prosperity movement, and considers men like Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn his mentors and fathers in the faith. Francis Chan is against this movement, yet calls Todd White a man of God (there's nothing deceptive in the editing). Please watch the documentary "American Gospel: Christ Alone" if you want to see it all explained.

[@Dead2MyselfMinistries]

Popular Gospel he lives in a house not a mansion. He lived in a broken down trailer and worked labour jobs for years. He gives away large amounts of money and never have I heard him preach anything about God making us wealthy. Just taking care of us and meeting our needs as scripture outlines. I have watched both those sermons. The editing is deceptive. Very deceptive and he saying the opposite of what is depicted here. He makes sure there are no ads on his KZbin page and so makes no money off them. He gives away almost all of his teachings for free. Makes free documentaries. If people can’t pay for the power and love conferences he lets them come for free. He only once asked for donations for the training centre. That’s more then I can say for most other ministers who always trying to sell books and gather support. He has the same criticisms of the prosperity gospel as Chan and well as the same call to give and live self sacrificing for others. Every where he goes he prays for healing not just with cameras on. Including hospitals. His videos are on the streets man not in a controlled environment. The biggest criticism you can say is he hangs out with some wrong people. That doesn’t make him wrong.

[@PopularGospel]

@@Dead2MyselfMinistries he lives in a 1.5 million dollar home. He's also been trying to raise 19 million through donations for LCU and their new building. Again, Todd and many others prosperity preachers will say "this isn't about the money, it's about Jesus", or "It's not about me being rich, it's about being able to be radically generous with what you're been given." Those statements don't get someone off the hook for preaching prosperity. Todd still believes that it's always God's will to heal, and to prosper you financially. Those aren't promises that are made in scripture. This teaching has huge negative impact on the faith of those who don't get healed, or who are currently living in poverty. They get angry with God because they are told that it's THEIR lack of faith, or hidden sin that is the problem. Todd is taking the promises of scripture which are for the next life, and makes them for THIS life now (Your Best Life Now). On top of this, Todd's view of the nature of Christ is heretical. He doesn't believe that Christ was fully God in the incarnation- that he only did miracles as a man, and lived a sinless life as merely a man, and laid every bit of divinity aside. The biblical view is that Christ was fully God in the incarnation (yes he did his miracles through the Holy Spirit, and by the will of the Father, because they are a trinity and have always done their works together). Todd takes the miracles, and sinless life of Jesus and makes it merely an example for us to follow (he believes he is currently living a sinless life because of this. See my other video). The miracles and sinless life of Jesus were meant to point to His deity, not our potential. I can go on and on about the errors of Todd White's man-centered gospel ("The cross isn't a revelation of your sin, it's the revealing of your value."). Todd is teaching that God saved us because he thought we were worth it. That statement suggests that we merit salvation (which is opposed to grace, which is unmerited). Todd thinks that fake healings, followed by "Jesus loves you bro" is the gospel (that somehow we can live or do the gospel). The gospel isn't about what we do, it's a message about what Christ has already done.

[@PopularGospel]

Todd White's defense of Kenneth Copeland is that Kenneth Copeland is radically generous (despite his mansion and having his own airport and private jets). But he's missing the point. There's nothing wrong with having wealth. What is wrong is making your wealth off of the false promises that God will bless you if you give to their ministry. The main issue with Copeland is his view of Christ. Copeland believes that "The believer is as much of an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." He teaches that Adam in the garden (pre-Fall), and us as Christians are the same as Jesus of Nazareth. Copeland even goes onto say, "He (Adam) was not subordinate to God even. Adam in the garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh!" This view of Christ is much like mormonism- a deification of man (to "little god" status) and a demotion of Christ to being merely a man with the Holy Spirit like us.

[@PopularGospel]

Todd (and all prosperity preaches) don't deny that God wills for us to suffer persecution. They do deny that he wills for us to be sick, or to be in poverty. Apparently they're cool with God being okay with us being killed, but not okay with God allowing us to get the flu. Read the book of Job. God is sovereign over Satan and gives him permission to strike death and disease on Job and his family (even Jesus tells Peter that "Satan has asked permission to sift you like wheat, yet I have prayed that your faith will not fail."). Todd also denies the sovereignty of God over our suffering/sickness.

[@Mrs_Canary]

Francis said they can disagree n still b n the same environment. 🤷‍♀️. I dont know anyone that agree with one interpretation of the bible. To baptism to speaking n tongues yo the rapture. We have 100 million churches bc ppl disagree. Him being there cud cause them 2 change their ways.

[@realericthorne]

Theres a difference between favour and prosperity....

[@solafide77]

what is the full clip of that comment from Francis Chan? Would love to get a link.

[@nathanglass512]

Ironic, Chan called White a 'bold man of God'....

[@JoshTheEmoticon]

Francis Chan has literally been in ministry and prayer with Todd. Stop looking for smoking mirrors that aren't there and taking things out of context. God bless

[@quiksilverkid9772]

I subscribed so I hope all your videos are just as truthful and hard hitting as this one. I'll be sharing this one. Thanks and God bless you!

[@jethron5000]

I’m very certain that Todd White looks like one of the wrestlers from WWE.

[@fransclements5879]

Pray for wisdom. Don't frame Todd as a false teacher. There are very different types of prosperity gospel. Pray for discernment!

[@eetadakimasu]

So sad that Francis seems to be going the way is prosperity Gospel, seen other things on him and you are telling the truth, thank you for the video

[@sexycomoespanol4361]

I have unsubscribed Todd White. As he says; I could careless.

[@jessicalawrence6994]

Todd White’s words are taken totally out of the right interpretation through this video. He preaches truth. He preaches repentance. He preaches that we aren’t good, but that we have a merciful God who is perfect. What he was doing was sharing that there are principles in the Bible that God instructs of us to handle our finances & our life so that we are not under the enemy’s control. He doesn’t claim that it’s God’s will for every believer to have a perfect life or become wealthy.

[@jeffbartlett4551]

You are editing and perverting and twisting both Men of God to suit your own worldview. Please stop it. We are called to work diligently to preserve the unity we have vie the Holy Spirit. Focus your intention on Christ alone and bringing hope and healing to this world.

[@VinodW-zc5nm]

Bro thats very different things about prosperity gospel Todd white went out to the streets to preach that some another level threat from unbeliever whereas Francis chan preach another gospel teacher teaches in the church.

[@maddog12186]

The devil wants the worst for you and the more faith you have in God the more temptation the devil will bring to your door step. The path to God is narrow. Have you been lead astray? Do you need to be guided back? When you sin you must acknowledge that sin and know that it is keeping you from God. From this point you get to choose whether or not you follow God's will or your own. The path is narrow the easy path is the worldly path. Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek. We have he tells us to love our neighbor as our self. Christianity you need to expect persecution for the perfect world that you seek has been created not through socialism but through God. If you don't find persucaction then something is wrong, you are probably in heaven. I have lived in America all my life and near Chicago the only thing that is preached here is Republicans and Christians are bigoted. What do Christian's do? They love their neighbors and spread the word of God. Republicans don't have the same standards but over half of Republicans are practicing Christians so we should be able to spread the word of God to those that haven't heard his will. Through out the whole world.

[@wolvestribe6435]

yeah you're write, we should all embrace THE true gospel of Calvinism. Predestination, once save always saved, sinful nature, total depravity, etc. John MacArthur with his 500k salary per year, he is the real man who knows the true truth. Forget about obedience, free will, healing the sick and casting out demons. Oh yes, and not forget to read some Spurgeon's book, listen to Paul Washer and John Piper, because we need to brain soaked in the reformed doctrines. Get some books of Saint Agustine also. What we need in our lives is not practical life experience transformation and authority. What we really need in our lives is DATA, not any data, REFORMED DATA.

[@Zacharylastnamemusic]

Watch the fill video of Todd white... He's literally speaking against the prosperity gospel. That's dishonest editing. Makes me distrust this channel or man

[@PopularGospel]

Zachary Lastname false. Full video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYrdhJtpeN6KgtU

[@PopularGospel]

Todd believes that it's always God's will that we are healed and are wealthy. Yes, he warns against the idolatry of those things but so does Creflo Dollar, etc. But he is still adding to the gospel a promise that isn't promised in this life, and using that to attract sinners. Todd's method of "evangelism by blessing" is to pray for healing, or to bless people with money, followed by "Jesus loves you." He never brings in the law of God (which exposes sin and shows a need for a Savior), the attributes of God (that He is both righteous, just, & gracious and loving) which shows sinner's that they are enemies with God. Todd teaches the "spiritual death of Jesus" doctrine taught by other Word of Faith teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, etc. (Jesus went to hell, suffered in hell at the hands of demons, died spiritually, and was born again). This doctrine says that Jesus had to continue paying for our sins in hell, rendering Jesus' statement at the cross, "It is finished"- a lie. It is also impossible for the Son of God to cease being God (dying spiritually), because God cannot cease to be God. Todd denies the deity of Christ in the incarnation like Kenneth Copeland, Dan Mohler, Bill Johnson, etc. (kenotic theology), which is an essential aspect of the gospel. He teaches that Jesus emptied himself of all divinity, wasn't here as God, and didn't live His sinless life, do miracles, or die on the cross as God... but as a man in right relationship with God (a man with the Holy Spirit like us). The true gospel requires that Jesus is the GodMan- truly and fully God, and truly and fully man, in order to be our mediator. Essentially Todd teaches that man accomplished our salvation, not God, and that man is "on-par" with Jesus. This is classic Word of Faith doctrine, which deifies man and demotes Christ (based on E.W. Kenyon's teaching that "the believer is as much of an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth."). Kenotic theology is outside of Christian orthodoxy (heresy).

[@TheBubba007sss]

Peter and Paul had never lived in extravagant lifestyles. What money both men had received it went back to the people. No camels were bought with Cruze control in them, and no multimillion dollar homes were bought to live like the rich do. Both men,, Paul and Peter were humble men that lived what they believed. If a preacher has to have the finest of everything he cannot look one in the eye and say that they don't covet wealth. The people who stand before the Lord saying how they cast the dead out, healed the sick, and had done many wonderful works in Jesus name will be telling the Lord the truth, they have done all they have said, but something is amiss. Could it be the love of money, since it is the root of all evil? I would say most likely since they covet the finest things that money can buy.

[@aaronkrumbach2943]

Has anyone on here heard Todd White speak met him in person. He is always preaching about the freedom of Jesus. How is that prosperity or false!

[@PopularGospel]

Would love to hear your thoughts on this. Read the description too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6q9kImjYtebldU

[@aaronkrumbach2943]

Popular Gospel OK, I watched the video and read the description. All I’m trying to say is anybody can make a video about anybody and make it seem like something that’s not true. Todd isn’t able to defend himself in a video that copies and paste certain statements out of context. He saying his testimony is more relatable to someone then the gospel, the first time you interact with them. That doesn’t mean you can’t also share the gospel, I agree, i’ve shared with people my testimony first because like Todd said they can’t say it didn’t happen it’s my life. And the rest is just garbage. He’s preaching the gospel and telling sinners they’re worth it. Go attack sin in peoples lives, why do people spend so much time hating on people who they say our prosperity preachers. Life is too short to hate on people who are preaching Jesus. If he saying something that’s not biblical let God take care of it. But why spend so much time making videos and saying stuff about him when people don’t know him. And he’s buying sinners lunch and praying for them to get healed. Why is that bad LOL

[@maddog12186]

This video is terrible. You don't take preachers and turn them against each other. For the bible teaches 2 different kinds of preachings. If you don't read them this video will destroy you.

[@joshuahite427]

Y’all, everyone is a little bit off in their theology, no one has a complete full understanding of God. I’ve seen both of them speak and yeah sometimes they might be a little off but THEY R STILL GODS CHILDREN. This is taking bits and pieces of what they preach and twisting it in a bad light.

[@SojournerDidimus]

Your video is a bit confusing to me. In your snippets Francis seems to deny the prosperity gospel because it contradicts the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, but his current actions of lining up with IHOP and consorts is at least worrisome. What was the message you wanted to convey with this clip?

[@PopularGospel]

Thomas you got the message. The point was to show that there’s a disconnect here with Francis’ understanding of who is teaching prosperity doctrine.

[@markmoffitt4699]

Popular Gospel aha!

[@deborahbush6320]

Really Chan cause your friend Todd white calls Paul bipolar and makes fun of him

[@theophiluslartey9371]

So, how many of you want to be broke?

[@PopularGospel]

That's the point. Our natural sinful desires are self-centered. Sometimes being broke is better for your spiritually, vs. having all the riches of the world. Satan offered the kingdoms of the world to Christ during his temptation in the wilderness, and he's appealing to that same sinful desire in the prosperity gospel. There's nothing inherently wrong with wealth, but God wants you to be content in whatever circumstance.

[@nikkowood4476]

If it's God's will for me to be broke, and to not have a place to lay my head down like my messiah, than me.

[@theophiluslartey9371]

@@nikkowood4476 Friend, God's will for you is prosperity. See 3 John 1:2; beloved I wish above all things that you will prosper and be in health...

[@nikkowood4476]

@@theophiluslartey9371 Not even joking, 5-10 seconds before I got the notification that you replied, I was in the middle of a video where the guy showed a clip of Joyce Meyer using that exact scripture and pointed out it wasn't a doctrinal statement, but a common greeting at the time. Literally as soon as he said that, I saw your notification and clicked on it. Not even a 30 second pause in between

[@nikkowood4476]

@@theophiluslartey9371 So God has a better will for me than Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, John, Matthew, Bartholomew (who was skinned alive), Matthias, Andrew, Philip, Stephen etc.? They certainly didn't prosper, as a matter of fact the suffered horrible lives and died some of the most cruel and horrific deaths imaginable. Acts 5:40-41 They took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and then released them. So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name. 2 Corinthians 11:24-28 Five times I received from the Jews thirty-nine lashes. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep. I have been on frequent journeys, in dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my countrymen, dangers from the Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the wilderness, dangers on the sea, dangers among false brethren; I have been in labor and hardship, through many sleepless nights, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. Apart from such external things, there is the daily pressure on me of concern for all the churches.

[@josiahrecords92]

Who is doing Popular Gospel?

[@legendarygaming5390]

Endtime anesthesia people with problems cannot realise they have a problem.

[@christianbluesman]

It sounds like they were editing Francis to make it sound like he agreed.

[@PopularGospel]

christianbluesman there’s no distortion in what anyone is saying. Francis is against the prosperity gospel, Todd White is for it, yet Francis is beginning to endorse men like Todd.

[@wuzacke]

This movie is just fake, it is just interesting to see people who want to promote righteousness but than do a movie that’s taking clips and painting a wrong “A LIE” about others. Repent you who made this movie your mind is not of The Kingdom of God

[@PopularGospel]

False. You’re slandering with your comment.

[@wuzacke]

@@PopularGospel no i am not slandering I am helping. Praying for you that Gods Spirit will give you light in this aria.

[@PopularGospel]

@@wuzacke read the description, and please explain how I am wrong.

[@wuzacke]

@@PopularGospel it is not what you are saying in the description that is wrong but how you are twisting and cutting and take Todd out of contents! With your comments! You are breaking Gods commandments ”“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:16‬ ‭ If you did listen to what Todd say, that Rainheart Bonke who have over 70 million people he have lead to salvation in Africa have been sponsored by Copland and if people who love the Lord have money, that money can be dangerous for the Kingdome of darkness like in Rainheart ministry. It is just evil to bear falls wittnes like you do!

[@PopularGospel]

@@wuzacke the description shows that Todd White believes and preaches the prosperity gospel. That’s the key issue. Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher, and it doesn’t matter how much money he’s given to a ministry that boasts about it’s “decisions” for Christ (that’s unbiblical). A great majority of those decisions are likely false converts because that’s what revivalism produces. True revival is a sovereign work of the Spirit by the means of the gospel preached, not from the will of man.

[@arianabaja2804]

I believe they have fallen from GOD'S GRACE..they deceive the Gospel..both Todd and Francis..May GOD have mercy upon them..

[@amandaravello]

Having watched a plethora of Todd Whites' sermons I can truly say that he is NOT a prosperity gospel preacher. These clips have been purposely taken out of context smh.

[@PopularGospel]

Mandy Dee nothing is out of context. Todd is literally known for evangelism by blessing; giving money to and “healing” people to while telling them how amazing and wonderful they are (without ever telling them who God is or why they need a savior from a holy, righteous God). Todd believes it’s always Gods will to heal and for a Christian to prosper financially, and considers Kenneth Copeland his mentor.

[@georgedodd4107]

I wish you people would leave Francis alone he has his reason he is befriending these heretics the people they draw need to hear the gospel to and Francis knows that.I have heard a bunch of his sermons and i know he is sound and when i hear him saying something thats not bible i will change my mind.

[@andresperez7582]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIHJnJV4epiFjsU Give this a look then, and the follow up

[@MaybeII]

Todd White is not a prosperity teacher. He believes in being generous and lives it out. He believes God will provide your needs if you seek first His Kingdom and His righteousness and that He wants to bless us. But He certainly doesn't believe that you become a Christian with an intention of getting rich. He preaches that we need to lay down our lives in every way when we give God our lives and not to let money be our God. I have listened to a lot of his teaching. Hope you all can see that too. Blessings

[@PopularGospel]

Todd White believes that it is always God's will to heal. He also believes it's always God's will that you are wealthy (or that you prosper) as he says in his own words here. It doesn't matter if he warns about not being greedy (Todd himself lives in a mansion by the way). The idea that it's always God's will that you are healthy and wealthy is prosperity doctrine. Todd identifies himself in the Word of Faith-prosperity gospel movement, which has other doctrines as well (little gods, positive confession, etc.). His mentor is Kenneth Copeland, and he often promotes Benny Hinn (in fact, he claims to have received his healing anointing from Benny Hinn and Randy Clark).

[@MaybeII]

@@PopularGospel I can't speak to the people he calls his mentors and friends and I understand that is concerning. But what Todd White believes and what I understand the prosperity gospel to be is definitely different. The prosperity gospel is coming into Christianity with the idea that God will give you everything you want and the more you give the more you get, and you can 'name it and claim it'. Quoting Wikipedia, 'Prosperity theology views the Bible as a contract between God and humans: if humans have faith in God, he will deliver security and prosperity.' It makes it very wooden and unrelation and allows you to use God to your own advantage. That is different from what Todd teaches. Yes, he believes it is God's will for healing (I'm fairly convinced of that from the Bible as well and we could have a discussion about that) and 'prosperity'. 3 John 1:2 - Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers. - The Bible does promise that God will supply our needs - Matthew 6:31-33 Todd is also very careful to say that money and good circumstances cannot (should not) be our idol and that God is OK with you having things/money but He isn't OK with those things having you, and thus when a bad circumstance/loss/sickness comes we don't need to respond in fear or anxiety. Here is a video of Todd's beliefs about 'the prosperity thing'. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zoe1nnptmbtsis0 I think the difference is that people who believe the prosperity gospel come to 'know' God/give him their lives for the sake of blessing, whereas people like Todd follow God no matter what situation it leads to, and yet he does see in the Bible where God blesses the righteous as they seek Him first. In the video I shared he tells the testimony of his family losing their only guaranteed source of income and he counted it joy because he knew God would supply his needs, rather than rebuking the situation he trusted God to provide. In addition, there can be works of the enemy to bring suffering that we should oppose. Just because something is happening to someone i.e. sickness, government oppression etc to allow suffering doesn't necessarily mean it is the will of God for those people to suffer. That is why we are encouraged to pray for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. If He was controlling everything in the world then he wouldn't have asked us to pray to change it.

[@jamesboreson]

You are doing the enemies work btw.

[@emmanuelsson7941]

By exposing false teachers? Get behind me Satan

[@aliciaroles8565]

I listen to both of these men and they are both great men of God. Someone pulled out bits and pieces of what Todd says and don't even know him or what he preaches. They did this same thing to Jesus. They called him all sorts of things - even a demon. So this is no surprise I suppose. If you care so much love him and pray for him and even go to him. Todd is very approachable.

[@bjkimber]

Alicia Roles actually he’s not. I’d encourage you to listen to this interview of a friend of mine who was friends with Todd and tried to lovingly correct Todd (Todd distorts the deity of Christ and has many issues with false teaching and faking miracles). www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2019/5/defecting-from-todd-white-lifestyle-christianity

[@pirquo]

Alicia Roles kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqO7qHiwh7V4itU

[@Calebkaminski_]

Context

[@chazAD33]

This is so taken out of context

[@PopularGospel]

No it's not. The full context is in the description.

[@jamescollins1272]

Hey!! Thanks for none of you stupid critics showing up at any of these events. There’s too many people showing up, as it is, particularly when the internationals start showing up. We don’t need any Pharisees wasting perfectly good seats in the auditoriums or any of the car spaces, in the parking garages. Thanks Much. Be Rebuked in Jesus Name.

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

chan, double minded in all of his ways !

[@calvinyip364]

Why Christianity is so confusing. What you guys are saying those preacher which seem good turn out to be bad. And why there is so many movement Nar or something something. Why don't we just live out how Christ live. Worship him , pray and ask holy spirit for guidance . For me I like tood white preaching on KZbin and many other Christian speakers. End of the day is our relationship with god that matters .

[@edgarguiher2193]

truth is what matters, not your feelings

[@Ange1my5t]

Yikes