Fred & Rose West: How Their Parents Made Them Monsters | Murderers & Their Mothers | Absolute Crime

Fred and Rosemary West did horrific things to twelve young women, including two of their daughters, in one of the most shocking cases of serial killing Britain has ever seen. But why did the Wests embark on their path of depravity? Were they born to kill, or did their mothers make them into monsters thanks to childhoods full of abuse?
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[@fensson6989]

Broken by their mothers? The fathers was just as bad.

[@moonroxxit]

I was thinking that. And is Fred Dinage just sexist ? (Fred Dinage ? I probably have the wrong name. Sorry. )

[@gingerr9004]

Well of course… we’re responsible for birth control and for not making men want to have sex with us… it’s a woman’s fault entirely if she gets pregnant. It’s a woman’s fault if she’s abused… it’s always the woman’s fault. And I say that with complete and utter sarcasm… I’m a woman who has lived through abuse. I don’t believe their parents made them monsters… I think their upbringing (both parents) and the mental illnesses that were undiagnosed and untreated played a big part in why the Wests were so messed up. Tragic and grotesque don’t even really cover this story.

[@debbieellett9093]

I agree! The fathers were just as at fault.

[@superstormsandy8733]

I think Fred, seeing his father with animals, encouraged him to have s*x with whatever. Both parents are responsible on both side, imo

[@uyoebyik]

There's no proof that Fred West's mother did that. Fred West was a liar. His brother said that didn't happen

[@TheTwinFiles]

This is weirdly worded. An affair implies that both parties are consenting in it. A 15 year old cannot consent to that. And what's worst, it was her father. When I write my scripts for my true crime channel, especially when children are involved, I make sure to use language that doesn't imply the child was a factor in their own abuse.

[@valdirmeretchaikovsky-vm6rc]

Bullshit stop making excuses for those basdarts they both deserved the death sentence I was abused along with my brother so why didn't we turn that way as a criminology and law student. You theory of them stinks .

[@roseanncampbell3168]

Exactly 💯 agreed

[@NewMayfair]

Holy misogyny, Batman! Like their fathers had nothing to do with it? Also "Continue their incestuous affair" Now, look, I get that it's Rose West, but a 15 year old groomed and abused by her father is not an affair

[@PH-vv1ky]

Get a Life terf. If you had even the slightest hint of any intelligence, you'd have known that the programme is simply focusing on the mothers and not in any way implying the father's were not also to blame. Get it now?

[@Ibeleiveintherapture2023]

Batman 😂. But oh my gosh how sick

[@joserrapere5928]

And worse by their fathers. Why is the mother made to be the main influence in this show?

[@rayne6737]

Incest with a minor is NOT an affair. It is a sick criminal act.The fathers were just as culpable as the mothers. Also Rose’s mother endured the same “therapy” that was done because she was depressed so her brain was just as fried. Your video even said they used a much higher voltage back then. I’m seriously questioning where you got your “facts” and if these people are even remotely qualified to assess a monkey’s butt. How much of this was said and done to up the drama and therefore your ratings. Also plenty of people suffer an inordinate amount of abuse and don’t go on to murder so stop trying to minimize their actions by doing so. It takes personal responsibility and accountability out of the equation. They chose to be the sick deprived people that they were. It is an incredible disservice to those of us who survive and go on to value life and lead productive lives.

[@Metonymy1979]

Broken by their mothers? Considering Rose was raped by her Father as a child and kept on having sex with him after she was grown. And Fred watched his Father rape women and animals, I'm guessing it wasn't just the mom. It's very strange to focus on one parent. Like very very strange. Saying an affair instead of pedophilia with a child is beyond weird. Whoever made this episode or wrote needs to be fired.

[@malloryknox9319]

There’s another weirdly worded bit too where it states something like “ Her father made love to her” er no, her father raped her??!!

[@Emma1168]

Exactly what I was thinking. Victim blaming, sexist views on this!

[@ellaeadig263]

Agreed. How can they blame Rose's mother when she was mentally ill, caused by being a victim of Bill herself?

[@babybee0640]

Someone later stated that there was no proof of his father doing those things and that it was Freds sick perversion that had those fantasies

[@vanessacollins9434]

“Fred West’s father was a very violent man who forced himself on women while his son watched on and probably killed his first wife” but let’s talk about how it was totally the mothers fault.

[@karlahemphill3414]

It not just the mother thats the problem. Its both patents.

[@georgiahogue8588]

Amazing that these two even bumped into each other.

[@Ibeleiveintherapture2023]

How disgusting and sick

[@sarahwynn6486]

Fred’s brother Doug disputed the sexual abuse by the mother and the abuse of animals . He said it was totally untrue

[@ulrikezachmann7596]

What is strange is in those days it was always the fault of the mothers. Daisy Letts was given shock therapy while her husband Bill got clean away with what he did. It just shows how domestic violence played out in those days and when children were abused they wouldn’t dare report it to the police because they would have been told they deserve it. The Mental Health system has a lot to answer for as well How many women did it abuse and treat as depressed when it was the husbands abuse that was the cause of it? Even not wanting sex with your husband was seen as somehow not a woman’s right. And we are meant to trust this industry now? Yeh right!

[@a.l.7712]

Imagine how many kids grew up in horrendous family conditions without ever killing anyone! Stop excusing the evil behavior of these Murderers!

[@aprilshowers2165]

Absolutely agree. However, I can't help but feel sympathy for their childhood. I guess that's what sets us apart from these psychos

[@laurieszumila8836]

Why are the mothers always blamed

[@lolocaust4967]

Because most criminals of all kinds come from single mother homes. The stats are out there. Go look for yourself.

[@janu10048]

Fred was a sociopath. How can you believe as truth what he told authorities about his parents? Couldn't he just have been making stuff up?

[@Janmification]

There is another doco out there, and his brother refuted those claims of bestiality, etc.

[@janu10048]

@@Janmification Yeah, I saw that one as well. I don't believe his mother abused him sexually either. He was just a big crazy liar. He lied to police about so many things it's hard to figure out what was truth. I think he was a monster in large part because of his head injury which likely caused damage to the part of the brain that controls impulses and behavior. Marrying another deranged person obviously added fuel.

[@ABeautfulMess]

I never realized the time frame...20 yrs..RIP..i would be interested how far back in the families this goes..were the grandparents the same

[@hellinglyeastbournetravelo1599]

1994 its been 30 years

[@hellinglyeastbournetravelo1599]

1994 its been 30 years

[@ABeautfulMess]

@@hellinglyeastbournetravelo1599 I'm that old..crap

[@amandawhiteley6737]

Oh my days......!! Sickening. ..how do i compute this?

[@ellaeadig263]

Apart from the obvious sexism in the approach to this documentary, I'm also seeing a few discrepancies. I've read elsewhere the 13-year-old girl Fred impregnated was not his sister but in fact a girl from the neighbourhood. Also, I've read that the murder of Charmaine was not something planned between the two of them, but something Rose did on her own whilst Fred was in prison. It's a little hard to take this whole video seriously as a result.

[@tonbruins7335]

Why analyse those monsters ? There is no use for that.

[@fionaedmonds389]

It wasn’t both mothers who have the same responsibility, one mother abused her child, the other mother had mental health issues and was herself a victim of abuse who did not as far as we know partake in abusing Rosemary?

[@JulesLaRue]

I didnt know both mothers where named Daisy.

[@sofiabelfelice1108]

Why won't police dig up the farm? Suspected bodies there. Surely the victims deserve a decent burial and the family to have closure.

[@JudithMartin2014]

So it really is a lack of a father? . Why everyone blames the mom who tries to parent? Lack of fathers with morals kinda make it wild too. Maybe need to try analyzing again.

[@lolocaust4967]

Because it is a lack of a father. Most criminals in prison come from single mother homes. This is a well established fact and has been for some time now.

[@meiamymei]

​@@lolocaust4967lol what?? Did you even watch this video before commenting? Both of these fathers were present, married to and living with the mothers. They were both sexually/psychologically abusive to the point that (based on the information presented here) they turned their children into serial killers. Blaming the mothers for failing to prevent their husband's crimes is pure misogyny- especially since they were both abusive monsters in their own right- plenty of blame to go around. Also, correlation=/=causation. Most of the people in prison grew up poor. What effect do you suppose poverty has on marriage 💀

[@Neutronia1]

It is always the mothers who are blamed in sensational documentaries or by the media. Both of these people's fathers were just as much to blame in helping to form them. However, thousands of kids have had similar upbringings and don't go on to become serial killers. There is plenty of research around about the genetics of psychopathy, anti-social personality disorder etc. Serial killers are a combinations of a multitude of issues, you can't blame their families in such a simplified way.

[@PhylipHRees]

It seems that Fred and Rose parents have been vilified on little more evidence than that of two sociopaths.

[@janu10048]

There is no proof that what Fred told the police about his parents even happened. He was a liar and a sociopath, so how could someone make a documentary based entirely on anything he said? The fact is, nobody really. knows what happened in his home, but we do know that he had a serious head injury that changed his behavior and that's the fact that most likely caused him to be the way he was.

[@janu10048]

Also, none of the other kids in the family became serial killers or deviants, so....yeah, I don't believe it was entirely environmental.

[@thatsoutrageous1961]

Great production thank you, so sad.

[@Lopyj]

It was not just the "Mothers". I see their "Dads" also in Charge. It is so common to blame everything on the mothers. But dads are as responsible. And in these two cases we have one dad introducing hin son into bestiality and rape, and on the other side a dad who is abusing his daughter. But in general,... there are many people coming from horrible families, who are not becoming serial killers. So it might help to explain what happened... but it is not an excuse.

[@judithsullivan9703]

This presentation lacked the evaluation of a psychiatrist. The medical education includes the anatomy and physiology of the brain. The profound ability of these individuals to ignore and transgress the boundaries and ignore social norms they were exposed to suggests a thorough examination of the additional risk and exposure in utero of substances. Alcohol exposure to the fetus especially in the first trimester has consistent evidence of the inability or lack of a conscious connection between actions and logical consequences. The development of neurological pathways and the effects on the function of neurons is blocked when substances are introduced in the stage of brain development in the first trimester of pregnancy. The electrocuting of the mother of Rose needs further medical research my a medically qualified psychiatric professional including the use of brain imaging tests could evaluate physical abnormalities.

[@sofiabelfelice1108]

Should more support be given to abuse victims so that 'hurt people DON'T hurt people' and the cycle ends. Ive just seen that Steven West was arrested for having set with 14 year old 😢

[@barbarastepien-foad4519]

So Rose's father and Fred shared Rose without any scruples....my word that is totally disturbing......

[@katherinecollins4685]

Well researched

[@Celticmist-qz6ve]

Their father's played equally a key role and I don't get the justification for the title of this programme

[@richslater745]

Birds of a feather flock together and will find each other in a crowd of different birds.

[@elizabethfarrell23]

"'a mother can actually dote too much" wow, damned if they do or damned if they don't eh?! So many men have contentiouslt unresolved anger at life and are quick to blame the only near decent person in their lives who they would be even more lost without..

[@cu94mel]

Dr Elizabeth Yardley makes excuses for every criminal she is asked to look at.

[@alexandriamares1402]

For real !!!! she irritates me due to her excuses and her overall behavior towards the overall case itself and the two killers. one of which is still alive in prison but wont talk.

[@debbiemerls]

The language used: “are their mothers ultimately responsible” No, murderers are solely responsible for the crimes they commit. Some people with horrendous backgrounds succeed, some people bought up in wealth and privilege descend into crime. Did the mothers contribute? Yes. But every single encounter and relationship leads us to who we are today. Fred and rose did it. Fred and rose are responsible.

[@mariekatherine5238]

Why do they always blame the mother? What about abusive, molester fathers? I know a woman whose brother is serving 40-50 years for raping his daughters and the twin boys next door. Before then, their father raped and molested them. Her mother knew it but did nothing about it. The woman has not become a pervert or criminal of any kind. She describes herself as asexual, just not very interested, but having many friends female and male. She doesn’t relate to the lgbtq+ community, either by gender identity, socially, or political causes. She dresses as a woman professionally, but prefers jeans, flannel shirts, and work boots for casual wear. Her hair is a chin length bob, attractive, easily cared for. She sometimes wears a little makeup for special occasions, otherwise not. She has triple pierced ears and an extensive collection of earrings of all styles. Outdoor activities with a few friends like skiing or hiking and arts like pottery and painting are her hobbies. She works in IT for an internet provider.

[@paulmaher2392]

Sick to the core.

[@joshualifetree5398]

So does that mean that his brothers and sisters are the same as him but have not been caught yet? His brother really looks like him and by the way what about their own children and grand children, are they as perverted as their parents and grand parents?

[@redmoon8217]

And the misogyny goes on. Some how it's the woman, it's the mother. Even though it's know that Rosemary was sexually abused by her father. But in the end it has to be the mother! It's misogynistic views that mean that the people who are killed are generally women. Rose was also a victim. Yes she was depraved and a psychopath, but also a victim. She had been manipulated by almost every man that she had come into contact with and had been the victim of a predator from a child by her father and the West when she was 15. But let's focus on her mum!!

[@barbarastepien-foad4519]

...also.....the fathers are so much to blame......they are NO way innocent ....why do you think Rose's mother was depressed? Because her husband was an extremely violent controlling thug to her and sll the children, but he "saved" Rose for incest and he favouritised Rose by not being violent towards her.

[@lezbyanke777]

stop blaming mothers for everything. Dads are the ones who most often abuse and brutalize kids

[@Shteno]

My God! All these people, these doctors of this and that, criminologists... when they speak about Fred,, especially about the years while he lived with his birth family, they're saying things in such a manner as if they are telling the best proven facts there are, whilst, in fact, they are only paraphrasing Fred's words he told to the police and a few other people who talked to him while he was arrested But! all of us, who have followed and studied this case, know only one fact for sure - that Fred was a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR from very early one, LIED TO EVERYONE FOR NO REASON, FOR EVEN THE SMALLEST THINGS FOR WHICH THERE WAS NO POINT TO LIE! And they call themselves experts?! S**t! Nothing but a junk food for the brain - that's all these shows are!

[@mickylove76]

This is quite tabloid in places.

[@johnmercer3571]

The mother can only do that if the father doesn’t stop her.

[@annberlin5811]

This is disgusting

[@Hellbillyhok666]

Those evil woman have a lot to answer for

[@kitharrison8799]

Why just their mothers? Fred's dad was a very strange individual and encouraged him to get away with murder if he could. Myra Hindley was routinely brutalised by her father. Both parents can be instrumental.

[@Aymiikeeganmelb]

this link shows a link ad to care more about parents of this age. doents matter right .. as long as you get likes ?? EMBARASSING.

[@trishg5820]

According to psychologists & psychiatrists, they have identified the rocking motion of young children as early sexual behavior. It appears Rose was sexually motivated from very early childhood which may also have played a roll in her sexual proclivities. It's a good case against the electric shock treatments.

[@Neutronia1]

That is hugely over-simplified.

[@stevefowler3398]

This is a total aaste of time.

[@Humanbeing01]

European & American lives so tough.

[@lolocaust4967]

Ok for all the people commenting that they dont understand why the focus on the mothers. Its a well established fact that most people with drug addiction, criminal behaviour, low income homes etc come predominantly from single mother households. I know its fashionable to trash men and fathers at every given opportunity and claim that women can play both roles with great success, statistically thats not true at all. Raising children in a single mother houehold puts children at every statistical disadvantage. This is a well known yet not very popular fact. To make it even more unpopular children that come from single father homes often do much better. You can say what you like and claim mysoginy etc but this is a fact.

[@redmoon8217]

This is a well thought out, well researched response. Can you you please post links to research and evidence. No I don't think so because you are speaking a crock of shit. Most significant single parent families are families which consist of only a mother. Reason for this because women given that they are in the biological position of carrying a child and giving birth to them will take responsibility for the child. Single father's are more rare unless they are widowed. If one sex is going to abandon their responsibility for a child statistically what sex do you think that would be? What impact do you think that this has on a child's mental health.

[@desertstar223]

Same video from a year ago!