FromSoftware Games Should Be As Accessible As Possible

Have you been inspired by Elden Ring?

[@AlexCustom6877]

This is genuinely one of the worst takes I’ve seen in gaming.

[@morsalty5228]

Art made for everyone is art made for no one.

[@user-qw1zu2zx6v]

Relatable bit of information

[@PaladinMatthews]

So this

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

If you can't play the game but want to know about the story then just watch a walkthrough. Boom. Problem solved. No easy mode required.

[@notsoperfectcell858]

Fr this is such an easy solution

[@SmashBrotherX]

Not everything in life has to be for everyone and not every games needs to accommodate for everyone. Overcome the challenges in From Software games is the fun and the unique charm of this games. I don't care for gatekeeper who say to "get gud" and finish the game with just a torch. The challenge is there if you want. But I like to learn to overcome this challenges with the tools the game gives me. Items, magics, summons. Do what you must to succeed, but it doesn't have to lower the games difficulty, just take your time to play and learn what the game is offering. If you don't have time, patience or will to play them play something else! Not every game is for everyone. You don't need to enjoy what everyone else is enjoying even if don't really enjoy it.

[@Leonard2311]

I agree, but on a joking level I feel like Kai Cenat made it mainstream and casuals/randoms felt compelled to beat it afterwards cause they didn't think he could. Thus we have uproars lol

[@AJ-xv7oh]

The choice of a lower difficulty level doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever. None. Your point makes no sense.

[@benchan8852]

You couldn’t have said it better. In case you want an easier difficulty i think there are mods that allow you to do that. But don’t ask FromSoftware to make the game less difficult. That has been the beauty of FromSoftware games all along , and it is one of the reasons why their games are so popular.

[@michaelp.3485]

​@@AJ-xv7oh It affects his sense of superficial superiority.

[@fragr33f74]

I get what Tam is saying, but making games for "everyone" sometimes means the quality of the game gets diluted. Take the Call of Duty games, for example. Those games are so mass market that they dont really do anything particularly special anymore. They've become those forgettable popcorn movies. Making certain types of games for certain types of people means they can excel and be special in unique ways.

[@pedrocastro3978]

No, we like Fromsoft games for the difficulty

[@gary2260]

People need to think when playing them and not just run into everything

[@landfillao4193]

Difficulty is not why I like FromSoft games. Lore, world building, world design, atmosphere, art direction, bosses, music. Difficulty merely serves to strengthen some of these much more important aspects.

[@SM-by1od]

Most journalists want the games to be easier so that they can actually beat them. Miyazaki himself said he is terrible at playing games so he makes use of every possible mechanic and tools in his games to beat them. His games already provide you with what you need to beat them.

[@Jimbly985]

Miyazaki tends to undersell himself, thats just kinda the japanese way. To not brag, not overhype stuff, etc. I am sure he is better then he says he is.

[@squid_superstar]

hey quick question, have you actually beaten the DLC? or at least met the prerequisites for it? 60% of steam players who own the game haven't

[@austingoold8662]

@@squid_superstarI don’t understand what your point is with that

[@JohnSmith-kn9iy]

The point is to struggle. It's literally the lore from the moment you start any of their games. Why would you dilute and destroy deeply rooted writing that is successful. There is no way this man has paid attention to any of the lore

[@joelsantos3092]

Developers are free to create art for the target audience of their choice. Not everything has to be made available for everyone. And when you make a game for everyone, you’re making a game for no one.

[@Ivo.Goncalves]

One of the characteristics that made the game what it is today was its difficulty. the pleasure of suffering to defeat a boss Not everything has to be for everyone, that's what makes the game successful today don't ruin it. Clearly this man doesn't know how to play and wants something easy, it's these types of people who will end up ruining the essence of these games. shame on you

[@inksword6029]

Are we really ignoring this games are actually easy and that absolutely everyone no matter the skill can complete them because there are so many ways to make the games even easier such as summons, some builds and overleveling? Also getting good at them is a skill everyone can learn, these games are not as difficult as people try and make them to be

[@Miyhal]

People can get good at pretty much everything. I agree theyre easy if you summon or use certain builds but lots of games are easy if you do certain things. That doesnt make those games easy. That doesn't mean theyre hard if you dont do those things though. Lots of ppl give up on these games because they think theyre too hard. Its subjective and the fact most people say its hard says something. You wanna see an easy game then go fight bosses in mario odyssey. Dark souls is not easy when you go in blind and play solo imo. A person whos never played a game would have a way harder time with a soulsborne game than most games.

[@Miyhal]

No hate but with this logic all instruments are easy to play.

[@inksword6029]

@@Miyhal the games just built this public perception of being hard because of ds1 and ds2, ds3 was incredibly easier and elden ring is even easier than that, they are not hard games anymore, the difficulty keeps getting lowered even after launch, they are extremely accessible and people need to stop lying to themselves

[@inksword6029]

@@Miyhal no it's not, not all instruments have the same difficulty, this is so obvious, compare a xylophone to a guitar

[@Miyhal]

@@inksword6029 its subjective. I know how to play piano, guitar, saxophone, bass and the flute and i find them all easier than the average person. Also not all instruments having the same difficulty doesnt change the logic you used. "Getting good at them is a skill everyone can learn" anyone can get good at any instrument this doesnt mean theyre easy. "So many ways to make the game (instrument) easier" someone can get a really good teacher or work on improving memory or be like me and come up with the best way to practice for yourself. My secret is to play things way faster than theyre supposed to be so it becomes muscle memory in a matter of minutes and then i can easily play it the speed its supposed to be. Just take one part speed it up then repeat with the other parts then the whole song is easy. Also helps me learn songs that are supposed to be fast since im used to playing fast. Again this doesn't make them easy to learn.

[@Quantum_Cuban]

A game for everyone is a game for no one

[@focabox5594]

Imagine if I was saying the opposite: Games are too easy, let's make them harder. This guy would freak out. Because, actually, most games are too easy! My point is: games are not for everyone. That's why we have niches and that's what make games unique in a sense

[@sohomhaldar6845]

Just hear me out....Get good😊

[@Cosmic_Horrified]

You have to have a target audience. Don't ruin something good. Fromsoft gives you all the tools already for you to win.

[@neilranson4185]

What he doesn’t understand is a very important part of what makes souls like games special is the “no getting around the difficulty” part

[@shaekocelot]

Every game does not have to be for everyone. Overcoming the difficulty is one of the main reasons the game is amazing

[@bacontrout]

Everyone's entitled to their opinions of course, but I see this as a really bad take. Youre talking about something that is intrinsic to the experience, in this case the difficulty. Its like saying Super Mario should have less platforming, or Portal should have less puzzles. If you wanna take it outside of video games, lets say i think rock climbing is really cool, but I lack the skills and strength to do difficult climbs. OK so lets carve out some handholds here, stick a ladder in there. Totally defeats the point. Certain activities have a barrier for entry, and thats kind of the point.

[@nufcjoker9057]

Literally 99.9% of games are accessible for every single person for once we get a game that demand a a bit of investment because of its difficulty and you complain seriously ? Who cares? If someone’s really interested in the lore ? What’s that mentality? They can go and watch a video you don’t need to ruin experience for people who like that style of game just so they can be accessible. . The proof is in the pudding old players of Elden Ring didn’t like it because it was too easy !

[@Atrocitez]

We've learned our lesson - nobody trusts the opinion of game journalists from these big outlets anymore. You are terrible at playing video games and as such, do not represent a gamer's point of view. You're not gamers, you just enjoy playing video games. Huge difference

[@DioxJXD]

This idea that every piece of media should be for everyone needs to stop. All it does is make the end product worse when you try to cater to every kind of person.

[@TheSolarium18]

exactly

[@LoneWolf-ty4oj]

Difficult = "Souls-Like" 'Accessible' = Hack and Slash

[@jg0cray]

L take, he probably can’t get pass Rellana 💀

[@endingmemories]

1. It's their game, their creation and will be made as intended. 2. Imagine having such a complex you think you have any say towards someone else's creation 3. If you're that interested in the game's story and lore you'll take the time to learn the mechanics and see it through to the end... if not were you really that interested?!?

[@cmiller12wq13]

Elden Ring is more accessible than all of the games that came before it. I think that’s one of the neat things about the game, it can be the easiest FromSoft game or the hardest depending on how you play it.

[@AWDTH1111]

If someone isn’t good enough to play the game then they can watch a no commentary play through. Problem solved.

[@marcustimothymontaos3688]

The point of From Software games is the difficulty. Removing that will remove what makes them special.

[@william678910]

No, get good.

[@a_nifty_dragon1154]

Nah get good. It wouldn't be a souls game if there is an easy mode.

[@RodStremel]

And yet, millions and millions of people are playing and finishing the game...

[@jessicasalcove5370]

I agree with him and I also agree with the comments. It's a tough one, although personally I don't think it needs to be easier. We need challenging games as much as we need accessible ones. If anyone is reading this and wants to play DS franchise or Elden Ring, but find them way to hard/hostile. You should try Dragons Dogma 1 and 2, they offer a good challenge that gets easier the more you play and upgrade your vocation. It also has a lot of very challenging quests and activities. Some may not agree with me but I don't care. I've said my piece

[@pedrocouto2121]

I agree with his point of view but i also think the difficulty is what make these games great. I think an alternative would be to have better dificulty options (in every game tbh). A system where even the mechanics could change, for example if you choose to play the easy mode you fight like you would in a hack n' slash game and with no respawns of enemies after resting , but in normal and hard modes it is souls like as intended

[@animeborn2]

When they start trying to appeal to everyone that's when they'll lose the core fans

[@Viperess77]

Making it easier defeats the entire purpose of a souls game, Miyazaki has said so himself. It is a test of your willpower and how far you're willing to go, to achieve your goals. I've seen a blind man speedrun super mario, anyone can achieve anything.

[@deadagent037]

They asking fromsoft to make soulslike game a hack and slash. 😂

[@upinsmoke06]

Why does a game need to be more accessible so people can create an video. PLAY THE GAME

[@mustangsonstage]

No. I buy Fromsoft games because of how they are. There are PLENTLY of content creators making elden ring stuff even with its difficulty.

[@sergiodiaz2886]

I’d be happy to see another dlc in a year or 2, unlikely but Elden ring is one of those game, id play over and over again

[@SUHLESTlAL]

It's the main aspect to why these games got the attention to begin with: the difficulty. Its challenging and has a high sense of achievement. Something that has been lost in the modern triple a space in gaming. Bad take. Especially from a fan.

[@otavioluna6433]

Classic game journalist L, they're so consistent with these it's craazy

[@Barthea-oe1el]

Fromsoftware games are difficult but theyre not THAT difficult. I think anyone can already beat any fromsoftware game and anyone who doesnt, just drops it because they dont see the appeal not because they physically cant. For comparison things singleplayer-wise off the top of my head that are FAR harder than bloodborne or dark souls: 1. Any touhou game 2. Metal slug 1-7 3. Project zomboid 4. Call of duty veteran difficulty 5. Advanced movement mechanics in ghostrunner 6. FNV on very hard 7. Darkest dungeon on its normal difficulty 8. Stalker GAMMA 9. Max payne 1 on its hardest difficulty

[@PaladinMatthews]

You didn't actually list Call of Duty did you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheFerruimGuy]

Heresy

[@aokhanhduy9785]

People love fromsoftware games because those game teach us to be careful and understand the enemies, the story is only pieced together from little things they put in the world and only explored by those who beat it and do replay it. It is about gameplay, not about story. Those who ask for a lower difficulty need to stop whining and get good

[@SmashBrotherX]

Or just play another game. If they are annoyed by how hard the game is, just look for another easier game.

[@Wolf21973]

Meh. Clearly their formula works, so keepin it movin

[@irishninjaviking4400]

Just get good

[@Squishmallows24]

Do all these game “journalists” share the same brain? lol

[@CoreReaper1]

…no.

[@JcuevasSDA]

Stop your whining

[@morgymomo8535]

Go and play a different game, I don't want my favorite games being ruined because of someone else who just joined. Go play something else.

[@dragline7287]

I a busy so don't have time for difficult games at this point in my life. I have a few hours a week to myself to play so if a game is too hard to make progress in a shoet time I won't bother

[@SoulfulKira]

Big L take. I guess you want every game. to be made by Ubisoft

[@iamthesenate7394]

This is still just an objectively bad opinion

[@mishaquimbly2576]

Its crazy that people are still making this argument when Elden Ring is doing mad numbers. Like these games have found a beautiful niche for themselves and people who love the difficulty of the games. I dont see the value in trying to take away a very integral part of From Soft's game design just on the idea that maybe more people will join the community..... especially when there is already a community and its thriving.

[@123fakestreet3]

This is getting old

[@Petter1900]

I'm sure he's arguing this in good faith, but he's missing the point. The difficulty is supposed to be tough so that the reward will be all the sweeter. If I was offered an easy mode when starting off Soulsborne I 100% would've taken that option and had a lesser experience as a result. I am so thankful that the game forced me to get better. Also come on, there are so many videos of people with severe physical handicaps that absolutely rinse these games. Artists that only want the art or music can watch a video of it.

[@YoshiMaster02]

Skill issue

[@Bunnykilllls]

But anyone can. Anyone can beat these games if they really apply themselves. Souls games are hard but far from impossible. If you add an easy mode you take away a core game mechanic which is learning and adapting which is one of the most rewarding things about these games.

[@alexbond3812]

Nah fam not even close people can still do all those things sure they might not be able to play but unfortunately that's life and thats why this game has its own community for people who understand this world like Kendrick said "they not like us "

[@ZSTE]

Just watch the game on youtube then.

[@Logan5Greye]

You don't need to get gud. You just need friends. Sure you can solo the game if that's your preference. However, you're missing out on the community and people willing to help you through tough situations

[@St3reotyp3]

Unable to summon Unable to summon Unable to summon Unable to summon Unable to summon Unable to summon Unable to summon Unable to summon The way coop works in this game is very good

[@PaladinMatthews]

​@St3reotyp3 simply play on PC with the seamless co-op mod then

[@bagenasbasilhs8513]

Some people just aren't meant to play fromsoft games, if you wanna witness all the beauty these games offer, whether it's lore, music, scenery or anything else, you have to earn it by getting good

[@13mrservon]

Same guy that gave Deathloop "10/10 Masterpiece" A poster child for the dei hire.

[@rxshovxx]

No thanks scrub stay out of it

[@garrettsmith4760]

Naw, fromsoft games are about the difficulty and the experience of overcoming. From the lore all the way down to the gameplay. Changing that compromises the nature of the game. If it wasn’t successful, they would have changed it already. It’s that shrimple.

[@livingglowstick1337]

Doing so ruins the game for everyone else. Go find a game that does that leave from software alone

[@blobs819901]

Filtered 😂

[@ayomagicc9296]

Elden ring in itself is a literal work of art. I wish more people would give it a try instead of saying “it’s too hard” I’ve beaten the dlc on ng+4, others have beaten it on +7

[@TheEditorify]

I think Tam is saying that the approachability of Elden Ring should be the way for FromSoftware going forward. He’s not saying that future games should be easier than Elden Ring. Players should have more freedom and the ability to get stronger for tougher fights. But the game should still feel difficult enough to prepare and strategize.

[@PaladinMatthews]

The player already has an insane amount of in Elden Ring. And the ability to get stronger already exists??? What are you on about?

[@azmakikian5400]

Not every game has to be something you can turn off and go on autopilot and press buttons. This dude is literally a Drone behind a desk

[@Allangronkjaer]

No

[@edilfeyjoomartinez7763]

Horrible take.

[@CmdrBrannick]

You can do all that without playing the games. Wanna learn the story, watch a let's play or a Vaati vid. Wanna create art, just go do it. Accessibility of the game has nothing to do with these aspects. I like the way FromSoft creates easier ways to beat games without having a difficulty slider. Things like leveling, summons and spirits etc.

[@AdamGlory]

I see your point, but there’s a noticeable difference between watching someone else do something and experiencing it for yourself.

[@bitrotter]

Completely agree. Thanks Tam.

[@karthik9187]

No one had time nor patience to read every item description. We got vaati for that

[@liamanderson2710]

go play fortnite then scrub

[@Ktr-1142-ema]

If the value of the customer is last we move on

[@me5969]

No because that's the point of the game. It's like Ghost Recon Breakpoint. It's an awful game at worst at bang average at best if you as it originally came out but if you play it on immersive mode it's actually really fun and tactical. Will that be for everyone? No but people will tend to choose the easier options but depending on the game it doesn't always work. Accessibility for most games is fine but there are few that rely on certain gameplay loops and mechanics and if people don't like that then fine. A stealth game needs to be punishing in direct combat for example to force you to play stealth otherwise you'll just Doom your way through it. A horror game needs to be tense and frightening because. Silent Hill 2 is considered the greatest horror game by most but it wouldn't if James was invincible. Tactical shooters need to be punishing to force you to be tactical otherwise you'll CoD your way through. BG3 can have a journo mode because the combat loop isn't core to the experience of the game. The story, world, characters and decisions are. Souls games however are all about the combat and achievement of overcoming enemies and if you give people the option to avoid then they will and they won't get to experience that "I finally did it" feeling which is the entire point of them

[@beefpatty144]

Nah

[@AdamGlory]

With him all the way. I want to enjoy the fascinating worlds in these games and learn more about them, but the barrier of entry just isn’t worth it to me. And personally, that lowers the quality of my experience with them.

[@NecroMorrius]

Such a great attitude

[@maximum_effort1]

100%...making a game more accessible does not ruin the experience for anybody who wants to play the game "the way it was intended." Just enjoy the game the way you want to and let everyone else enjoy it the way they want to. It's really not that deep.

[@nufcjoker9057]

It’s very deep indeed .. 99.9% of games are accessible for everyone .. for ones that we get a game that demand a little bit of investment because of its difficulty , it’s okay if you don’t get to play this game they were 1 million other games out there. You don’t need to be able to play every game. !

[@maximum_effort1]

@@nufcjoker9057 I'm playing the game with the "easy mode" mod right now and it has absolutely zero impact on your ability to enjoy the game whatsoever. It does, however, have a very big impact on my ability to enjoy it (:

[@PaladinMatthews]

Yes it does. Not every single game or piece of art and media has to be for everyone. Fromsoft games generally target a specific audience. If you want a baby mode easy game, then go play one that is meant to be so.

[@maximum_effort1]

@@PaladinMatthews Don't need to. Got the easy mode mod 😎 Thanks for your concern though.

[@squid_superstar]

the comments are REALLY not beating the "toxic souls fandom" allegations

[@stevenbridges5981]

When I was younger, I was always told that video games were a waste of time. And I never believed that until I started playing Souls-Bourne games. Now that I'm older, I have less time to play. I love the lore behind games like Elden Ring, but what should be a power fantasy feels more like a punishing and unrewarding waste of time. That being the case, I think the issue isn't difficulty, but progression. The games need to more lenient when we die and stop demanding so much of our time.

[@focabox5594]

Thing is: most games out there are just too forgiving already. Take the Diablo like games, for instance. Nothing happens when you die. I like that souls like keeps us on the edge. Games are too easy these days in the name of being accessible

[@TheEnigmaProductions]

🤦‍♂️ Oh god the comments are filled with Fromsoft bots with the same NPC talking points at this point they’re gatekeeping for the sake of gatekeeping

[@livingglowstick1337]

Learn to press b when your about to be hit