Fruit worsens liver disease

[@Hogster202]

I swear to god I've watched 50 videos over the last week about cirrhosis diet and nearly all say fruit is beneficial. I fucking give up!

[@RizzReynolds]

I feel you on that one man. I’ve had cirrhosis stage 4 for two years now. I’ll eat as healthy as I can I’ll limit my salt in Tega eat a lot of fruits and veggies and yeah everything I’ve read done research on it says the fruit and veggies greens are great for the liver as well as other organs some of these videos these so-called doctors just don’t know what they’re talking about I guess.

[@SamuraKyoto1]

Ya you’re right I’ve got cirrhosis but am still in the A category.I lost a lot of weight through exercise and dietary changes where I ate almost no red meat and more fish and chicken and cruciferous vegies.Ate almonds drunk soy milk etc etc but the more studies I read the more I knew about these foods the more confusing it got.I might be wrong but it seems the medicos just expect that you’ll get worse down the track then you are into multiple small meals,much higher protein,drugs for this and that, which is a scenario I’m trying to avoid.I suspect that if their was a lot more help and support with diet and lifestyle earlier on then maybe our outcomes would be different.

[@joelimkopi]

@@SamuraKyoto1 id try carnivore diet...

[@carolinesmith8024]

This doctor he's a liar he wants ppl to pop he's toxic pills

[@visam28]

Be careful believing "studies" the people who fund them don't care about health

[@tserevenad]

Personally, I am low carb as a means of minimizing glucose spikes. Thus, I eat very little fruit. Additionally, I understand fructose, like alcohol, is processed directly in the liver thus having more impact/harm.

[@greenlifesaves]

Fruit is mean to be once a while cheat food. One we grow fruits we can realise how long the season comes once a year. So we have to just eat it once in a while. But now we have import exports and it's available all the time so we have be cautious

[@bighands69]

Whole fruits are hard to eat lots off. Very few people would eat 3 apples in a row or want to eat fruit for every meal. The odd bit of fruit every now and then is not going to affect the vast majority of people.

[@jamiesplinter8758]

I believe more thts its not useing ur stores before topping up thts the problem not eating carbs

[@tserevenad]

@@jamiesplinter8758 well carb cause glucose spikes. That’s certain. Now you just have to decide if that matters or not. I do believe you can reduce a spike by exercising and by eating carb right after protein, but that won’t eliminate the spike. So the question for each of us…does it really matter. I am not hardcore on the topic and feel that eating fruit in moderation coupled with timely exercise/burn off and protein consumption is important.

[@dawnelder9046]

​@@bighands69 You would be surprised by the people that do. In many people fruit causes hunger. If I eat an apple, I am more hungry after. Carb sensitive. If I eat a hunk of cheddar with it, it helps. But only with a small apple. I am fine with berries. Dad was the same. Diabetic at 34, in the early 60s. Grew up in the country were they produced most of their food. Agatha Christie talked about eating 10 apples at a time. Her favorite food. Watch some of the vegan channels. 10 bananas, berries , a vegan protein powder and sugar in the blender. Some fake milk. Maybe a grren powder. Blend and drink down for breakfast. Have some fruit for snack. A bit for desert at lunch. An afternoon fruit snack. More fruit at supper. Some at night. Way above the old guidelines were they said two servings of fruit a day. A large apple or a banana would be shared back then. And there are non vegans that do the same thing. Then throw the juice in there.

[@CinSpain]

I don't eat fruit, but I guess, a difference could be that their liver was already sensitive, which could make a big difference.

[@roses9339]

I lived on fruit and vegetables for 25+ yrs, didn't drink alcohol or fruit juices. I couldn't lose weight, I walked at least 1.5 hrs per day and exercised regularly. I started Keto 3 yrs ago and now low carb. I had a scan recently which indicated I have calcification of the liver. I haven't had an explanation why this has occurred so would love to hear your theory. Cheers Rosemary Perth Western Australia (72 yrs)

[@danielpatel5948]

What ratio fruit:veg?

[@juno6]

Go back to vegetables. Specially leafy greens that have lots of vitamin K.

[@roses9339]

@@juno6 my Doc told me the calcification is old, unfortunately not a recent event. Cheers Rosemary Perth Western Australia 72yrs

[@roses9339]

@@danielpatel5948 I had at least 300gms daily of broccoli, Chinese veg and red capsicum. Probably 1 or 2 bananas daily. Nectarines and plums in season, far greater quantity of veg to fruit. Cheers Rosemary Perth Western Australia 72yrs

[@danielpatel5948]

@@roses9339 hydration breaks up the calcification and crystalization. True hydration comes from electrolytes and minerals. So leafy watery veg but also more juicy fruits. Cucumber, melons and coconut. In my opinion.

[@mirzallica]

As always, looking on all aspects and angles with caution. Great work doc!

[@strictnonconformist7369]

Useful in this case to remember these facts about fructose: 1. Our body is not satiated by it: glucose, protein, fat we eat and feel satiety from it with enough, but not fructose, 2. It lowers our metabolism when we eat it. 3. It also causes an energy deficit when we eat it, so we want more! 4. It doesn’t affect our blood glucose level, but because it is only processed in the liver and we can easily overload the liver (don’t drink it!) it can quickly generate a fatty liver and pancreas because that’s what the liver does, is immediately convert most of it into triglycerides that are typically stored there. This raises insulin resistance. 5. A metabolite of fructose is uric acid, which drives up blood pressure. So it contributes towards preparing for times of low food and water by causing us to eat as much as we can get: this makes sense for survival with winters or similar where we gorge on fruit right before it as it is all in season for a short time, but we have the problem now that we can and do have it through the whole year, when historically that didn’t happen until very recent human history. Combine that with the artificially added sucrose (half of which is fructose) and HFCS, etc. in so many foods, the bigger wonder is how people avoid overdosing on it with “normal” food, especially even the “natural, whole foods” which includes fruits throughout the year.

[@tezzanewton]

An interesting read. Thanks mate.

[@andriyandriychuk]

Bullshit. Fructose is sugar

[@jamesalles139]

Apparently, fructose also contributes to insulin resistance.

[@andriyandriychuk]

@@jamesalles139 what else?

[@jamesalles139]

@@andriyandriychuk ❔Ice cream is liquid death.

[@stacy3581]

Would have been nice if they added a group that was metabolically healthy (insulin sensitive) that ate at maintenance with inclusion of fruit.

[@btudrus]

But then you need to add metabolically healthy carnivores as a control. LOL. No, fruit is not healthy. Never. The whole bullshit about fruit is just a stupid adventist propaganda...

[@chrystals.4376]

A link to the study would be great

[@tinknal6449]

Drives me nuts when they don't include a link.

[@SciSciToys]

What , you mean so that ppl could actually check for themselves and find out his bias? Be quiet and get with the program, how dare you think for yourself!! ;)

[@rockyninja5089]

1st. Stopped eating fruit. Killed my blood sugar.

[@jacobgendron]

So many unanswered questions. What other diet and lifestyle factors did they control for? Were they getting their fruit from whole foods? Who sponsored this study? You need to cite sources in the description.

[@4311446]

Not expected from Diet doctor . What was the source of fat in diet ? What were the macros. How much was carb intake ? Was total calorie intake monitored ? I suspect it was a high carb diet trial. Even low calorie trial quoted had 30% carb intake Can't derive any conclusion without these answers.

[@temp_unknown]

The body deals with fructose (found in fruit) the same way it deals with other poisons like alcohol...so why do you think it'd be good for you?

[@4311446]

@@temp_unknown I believed the same earlier. All the trials showing damage used isolated fructose and were in high carb settings. Trials with whole food fructose show no Ill effects on metabolic health. Honey trials on mice showed reversal in oxidative damage. Please watch Dr Paul Saladino's video on the subject. He presents the evidence and quotes reference to studies.

[@temp_unknown]

@@4311446 Mr honey and fruit? I think not.

[@NoirHammer]

I wonder if fruits that haven't been bred for our modern times would have the same impact on the liver?

[@dawnelder9046]

Wild blueberries are great. But you half to beat the bears to them and watch for bears while picking. I did have a chance to taste a wild apple off a tree in the forest. The crab apples on my grandparents yard were sickenly sweet by comparison. You would half to be starving to eat them.

[@thomasgronek6469]

Thanks, Rhetorical thought: What did the participants put ON the fruit (sugar?), or what did they put the fruit into (cereal, or cheese cake?), and did they eat 'canned or jarred fruit in HFCS ?

[@CarbageMan]

Fruit IS sugar.

[@thomasgronek6469]

@@CarbageMan yes, but did they add more.

[@CarbageMan]

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[@thomasgronek6469]

you're missing my point, yes, I agree, fruit isn't much good, my point was: In addition to the fruit, did they add insult to injury by adding MORE sugar. The study doesn't know, the participants didn't report.

[@CarbageMan]

@@thomasgronek6469 No, the point is that you don't have to add more refined sugar for it to be harmful.

[@Aerospaceman]

There are differences between the way people in the Middle East eat their fruit and what types of fruit versus those of us in the United States

[@davfar459]

Fun fact: The middle east mounts over the world including the US in incidental rates of type 2 diabetes and have similar obesity rates, they're not healthier or live healthier than Americans.

[@Noltababy]

I wonder if they controlled for pesticides in fruit. Probably not

[@siewkuenwong7879]

Dried fruits are processed foods and hence inconsistent study

[@RR-wm9us]

I did Whole30 and that let s you eat as much fruit that you want with vegetables of course. As long as you don’t eat a lot of dry fruit you can lose weight. Just don’t over do it like any diet.

[@vidyasagarkumar2650]

Wish to gain weight, what are the list of some raw Fruits or raw diet etc 🙏

[@carrdoug99]

Did I miss something? "A little more fruit", one group averaged 1 serving of fruit per day to the other group's 7 servings per day (yikes!). Pretty significant difference. This study reminds me of discussion about fructose and weight gain. The discussion centered around the weight gain associated with bears getting a high percentage of their calories from fruit prior to hibernation. The weight gain was significantly higher for this berry diet, than even the high fat salmon diet earlier in their eating cycle. Always have to be cautious when comparing dietary results between species, but the data (correlation) was compelling.

[@SciSciToys]

Yeah and what type of fruits per day? Dried fruits, tinned fruits, high glycaemic fruits or was it berries and lower glycemic fruits along with fats? These keto 'docs' remind me of every other cult, vegan, paleo etc, they focus or cherry pick to confirm their bias

[@danielhoward8229]

I lost 40kg eating fruit and carbs in a caloric deficit. Since going carnivore I have put 6kg back on. One of my favourite meals was eating a cup full of mixed berries, a banana or apple, with Greek yoghurt and some peanut butter mixed together. For breakfast I would eat two slices of toast with avocado and an egg. For work lunches I roasted a bunch of vegetables, sweet potato, beets, carrots, zucchini, with steamed broccoli and ate this with a tin of fish. When I had my blood work checked everything was going great, blood pressure was great. I’m wondering if the majority of my weight gain is due to salt, and the potassium from these fruits and vegetables actually improved my health more than an almost zero carb diet has.

[@MaryAguilar-zk2ng]

Thanks for the info in your response !

[@bighands69]

Stop with the ideological tales.

[@SciSciToys]

May I ask if the previous diet was so successful then why would you go carnivore?

[@ursulasmith6402]

Research, Research, what about a permanent cure?

[@BobK5]

It’s very difficult to eat any fruit in quantities to cause a negative effect from fruit sugar. Where fruit is juiced into unnatural quantities the fructose is extracted in a concentrated form and this will cause damage, eating fruit isn’t harmful.

[@TheShumoby]

Was this previously deleted. I saw this video already a couple of days ago.

[@dietdoctor]

It was posted yesterday but we removed it to re-edit it and re-posted it today.

[@stocksyere]

I don't believe that the study you read was accurate, no way.

[@SciSciToys]

There is no context, i.e. in the context of what diet? Did they eat saturated fat? Junk foods or processed foods? There is massive bias here, if the amount of fruit is eaten on a high fat diet this will cause problems, but if lower glycemic and moderate glycemic fruits are eaten, the person is well hydrated and does exercise, loses weight, eats in a caloric deficit, I seriously doubt that the liver will crash it will actually get better

[@dt6653]

Good stuff, Doc.

[@mokorangi6380]

So I was diagnosed with NAFL right.. so there I go changing and cutting out every ounce of sugar from my diet. I did all that, lost a shit load of weight (fantastic) but I was still achy in my liver area. The only sweet thing I left in my diet was.. APPLES!! Juicy red mother fucking apples!! Because I cut chocolate and every other delectably tasting sweet treat that got me into this position in the first place, out.. I thought, well apples it is. They became my comfort food because shit, nothing else was comforting, anyways I’m eating at least 3 apples maybe 4 a day, my weights still dropping but the ache in my liver isn’t easing up. So I research apples, and for the most part, everything I came across said apples help to break down the fat around liver, so naturally I’m like, ok cool I’m on the right track, I’ll stick with it. Then I happened across another video that had loads of people commenting about cutting out apples because of the fructose and how the fructose is metabolised directly in the liver bla bla bla.. so I thought, geez I better stop apples then?! I didnt want to because they were my only sweet fix. So I tried it, and after about a week or so, I noticed significant difference in my liver ache. So now I’m off them completely which has depressed me because I actually fucking love apples and it’s doing my head in, because mostly people are saying yeeeeah apples are fucking great for you, EAT THEM!! and then a small group are whispering, don’t eat apples.. Safe to say, this change I made, helped a lot! The only fruits I eat are blueberries and bananas. Trial and error and figuring shit out on your own is hard, but you really have to be vigilant in your pursuit of wellness. Doctors can only tell you so much and at the end of the day, sugar for the most part is an absolute fucking poison!! God bless yall

[@lexlibovych4584]

Fruit is great for you

[@jt9113]

What about the animal based diet?

[@jackwardrop4994]

“Caloric excess “ hmmm I disagree in “energy in = energy out”. Rest of the vid I support.

[@dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669]

Fruits were eaten seasonal in Autumn to be used in winter. Make it simple eat as our ancestors organic,seasonal,move,sleep with sunset and wake with sun rise,make your internal clock,rhythm,programs in sync with reality environment you live in. Simple ,not much sound pollution and data to sell. Thank you.

[@SciSciToys]

A good point, and depending on where our specific ancestors came from then you'd be primed to eating more fruits and veg, i.e. those of us who had ancestors from tropical or the mediterranean region

[@jacklevoska8860]

Someone should post this video to The Wiggle's Fruit Salad video. Maybe they'll write a song about Steak and Eggs!

[@dietdoctor]

Yummy yummy!

[@dreamofmermaids]

Fruit reversed my diabetes.

[@thornados4969]

how? Keto dieters claim that fruits fructose causes NAFLD.

[@mokorangi6380]

Don’t lie

[@neetukaushal1246]

Please reply The concept of being a fruitarian Only eating fruits nothing else Being a diabetic for the last 16 years

[@tee565]

Absolute bullcrap. Fructose in fruit is gdigestedd completely different to other fructose

[@tombowler6458]

I think you'd have to eat a heck of a lot of fruit on a daily basis in order for the goodness of it be outweighed by negatives of eating fruit. for example, I think eating just an apple, banana and a kiwi a day will be fine for most people.

[@MaterDolorasa]

Fructose is only broken down by the liver. That includes natural fructose in fruit.

[@Morticia147]

I eat fruit, but it's usually in combination with a meal - I would say maybe about 1 serving every second day. In Summer a bit more because I love Watermelon. Cold from the fridge, nothing better. With that routing I don't have a problem and that's also enough for me. What also would have been nice to know is, what was the serving size for fresh and dried food and where they eating all day long or did they have some sort of IF?

[@bighands69]

The type of fruit matters as well. The amount of carbohydrates in a watermelon are in the broccoli territory.

[@lingash128]

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[@lingash128]

😊

[@ioodyssey3740]

Do tomatoes fall into this fruit category?

[@michaelashley2855]

Why not

[@tezzanewton]

Obviously tomatoes are fruit but they’re in the berry family and are low in sugar. Nowadays there are some hybrids that are sweeter than others so Keep that in mind.

[@abrish338]

Tomatoes are vegetables

[@JustinBlackfaceTrudeau]

@@abrish338no they are a fruit .

[@22darius22]

Is this a re-upload?

[@Zephyion]

Yeah I've seen this one before too, seems to be a re-upload.

[@SuperSarahbop]

I seem to remember a mistake in the original video do he fixed the mistake and here we are. He deliefted the old video

[@quinton1661]

The numbers on screen at @2:27 were wrong. They're fixed now.

[@dietdoctor]

Yes, we re-edited the video and re-posted it today.

[@BobK5]

It was very rare because it wasn’t diagnosed easily

[@NJM4444]

It's a good video.. but the title should not be misleading.

[@3cardmonty602]

Fruit and orange juice gave me a severe fatty liver.

[@GCT1990]

How is your liver now? Are you better?

[@littlevoice_11]

Did you see the research on Blueberries being added to a carb meal actually reducing post meal glucose spike

[@jsmith5764]

Dr Michael Greger, reference that in one of his videos. Definitely worth viewing that video.

[@tinknal6449]

Blueberries are very low in fructose though. They are even considered keto friendly.

[@littlevoice_11]

@@tinknal6449 yep and they even further reduce blood sugar enhancing the benefits of a keto diet

[@mokorangi6380]

Blueberries are fucking amazing! Low asf in fructose, easy to metabolise and gut friendly. They’re magical

[@jon8327]

Another thing to consider is whether the fruit was organically grown. Most fruits are heavily sprayed with pesticides which are known to promote disease, metabolic syndrome and fatty liver disease.

[@tinknal6449]

Yeah, waiting for you to cite the study that supports this....

[@bighands69]

Completely irrelevant.

[@nicolaholland1]

Been carnivore for 4 months. Liver markers worse (post a higher fat, lower protein effort) and gained 8kg:-( don't know what to do now. Have obviously lowered fat again.

[@bighands69]

Eat more green veg along with meat, fish, eggs, nuts and so on. The Carnivore diet can help a lot of people but there are a number of people that cannot handle it. Ancient humans would have eaten a mixture of foods include green vegetation, fruits (occasionally), eggs, fish, meat and so on.

[@SciSciToys]

Drink more or stay hydrated, exercise more and sweat daily if possible, beets, beans, salads, and some fruits are ok, some green tea or black tea, some lean meats, eggs possibly, no junk food at all, selenium, vitamin E, Vit C, NAC, ALA, Tudca, Barberry and eat bitter veg such as dandelion, artichoke, nettle, red chicory, crucifers but be careful if thyroid function is low so cook the crucifers if function is low, relax and de stress etc

[@mokorangi6380]

Stop the sugar and lying to yourself, sweetheart… that’s the real culprit.. carnivore shouldn’t make you gain weight unless you’re absolutely over doing ya damn portion sizes

[@mikeco7312]

I know from experience that watermelon is extremely good to the liver!

[@WilliamBTCWallace]

What experience?

[@littlevoice_11]

It would be interesting to see the context of the fruit consumption. For example: low carb, high carb, protein consumption, fats, timings etc. Was the fruit an addition in the diet or an alternative to something else?

[@kuyajayyoutubechannel5389]

What foods did u eat everyday?

[@God_is_my_savior-316]

Cutting fructose will cure the majority of cases. Please refer to Dr. Robert Lustig videos for detailed information.

[@AnnoyingNeighborPhilippines]

Linking fructose to bad health will alarm manufacturers adding tons of fructose in their products 😂

[@larcoriusjohnson9352]

Could just be gmo fruit

[@anneangstadt1882]

Interesting. I hated fruit for breakfast as a child and struggled to eat it. Now I only eat blueberries maybe once a week, and certain apples, autumn only.

[@henrybird26]

I’m diabetic and knowing that I eat very little fruit.

[@highrzr]

To me, it looks like the group that increased their suger intake got worse.

[@udayn4105]

I take fruits only in mrg and salad and nuts in evg. No problem so far.

[@fawazsaaid.]

what will a person now eat? everything is bad😢

[@tombowler6458]

The more nutritional Vlogs I watch the, more I find out about drawbacks/caveats associated with seemingly healthy foods. It would seem only sour fruit and bitter green Vegetables are the safer options. Although having said that I wouldn't be surprised if even a lot of those are refuted to.

[@mokorangi6380]

🐱

[@Ded-Ede]

Newsflash: we eat to much to often. One meal a day fasting.

[@tinknal6449]

I don't understand how you can say that drying the fruit would change the sugar to fiber ratio. Unless there was sugar added it would stay the same.

[@seanr8809]

I always thought the same thing! Drying should destroy fiber. I think it is more the absence of water that allows you to eat more with out noticing and causing an issue.

[@tinknal6449]

@@seanr8809 Why would drying destroy fiber?

[@bighands69]

The sugar does not stay the same. The ratio of the size of the fruit to the sugar changes. Take a grape for example compared to a raisin.

[@tinknal6449]

@@bighands69 The sugar and fiber stays, only the water is removed.

[@bighands69]

@@tinknal6449 Sugar in 100g of grapes is 16g and in Raisins it is 60g.

[@visam28]

Be careful believing "studies" who funded them? Etc,

[@valeriemcdonald440]

NAFLD may not have been recognized but it definitely existed before the 80s. My aunt got diagnosed with fatty liver when she was around 20 and she doesn't drink, but the doctor insisted that she was lying to him. This would have been in the 60s.

[@Fatbum11]

I think the link in adults to fatty liver disease is, genetic hypothyroidism, from birth. Everything is life when you have certain diseases, makes sense when you find out the causes of symptoms. Gallstones, more memory, low energy, mood, anxiety, depression, diabetes and loads more are caused by a dysfunctional endocrine system, usually more than one gland, added to poor diet and nutrition all makes sense.

[@CarbageMan]

Weight gain is a symptom of unhealth, not a cause.

[@tinknal6449]

Huh?

[@CarbageMan]

@@tinknal6449 You get fat because you're not exhibiting healthy behaviors.

[@tinknal6449]

@@CarbageMan Chicken or the egg?

[@CarbageMan]

@@tinknal6449 It's clear that behavior makes us fat. Only to a minimal extent does fat (visceral fat) have an effect on health, unless it's along with morbid obesity. Visceral fat does affect hormones, but it is not the initial driver. PS: So in other words, fat doesn't just become dysfunctional. The dysfunctional fat is created by the behaviors (which is not to say that it's a simple matter-we eat lousy food we're told is healthy, and we exhibit lousy behaviors we're told are healthy.)

[@tinknal6449]

@@CarbageMan Yeah, and doctors are of little use. When I was diagnosed with diabetes I was given lousy advise. I went against the grain and reversed all my symptoms with diet alone against medical advise.

[@vidyasagarkumar2650]

Raw fruits

[@InfinityProjector]

Science!

[@michaelashley2855]

No

[@SciSciToys]

@@michaelashley2855 Exactly, total bias

[@Kami-hd5sh]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@dianasthings729]

I tried to eat fruit and increased my sugar cravings pretty bad. Had to stop it.

[@brotheramos1613]

Yes...me too.

[@chiangchengkooi9791]

The fruit human are eating nowadays are selected breeding, they are hyper sweet and loaded with sugar making human indulge with them. Human do naturally eat fruits, but fruit are seasonal, ancient human can not find fruits throughout the whole year.

[@RawTalk23]

In tropical climates they do

[@SciSciToys]

@@RawTalk23 And in the mediterranean, ppl seem to just rely on the idea that our ancestors ate meat and a few berries and hd NO access to fruits and veg all year round (in warmer climate areas)

[@edenadam872]

VERY CONFUSING

[@User_ML907]

New subscriber.

[@Riley095]

one study

[@SciSciToys]

Flawed study

[@DK-pr9ny]

Really sucks that fruit is actually bad for you..

[@baccgod942]

I hope you don't believe this vague nonsense

[@kuajohnbare4827]

You medical professionals are providing all sort of information that is very confusing..some are saying eating plenty of fruits is healthy and some are opposit..I prepared organic fruits..fruits that grown without fertilizers..

[@agr8h2o]

👍👍👍👍

[@obulh]

🙏🙏👏👏👏👏👌👌

[@AleahRNTV]

Everybody I know on fruit diet, lose weight in Black community and Reverse disease like DR MORSE suggested 20 years ago💫🤔💫

[@scottycollins3166]

Coming from a standard American diet??? 🤔

[@SonnyDarvishzadeh]

the untold side: they stopped eating pizza, cola, fries and chocolate bars. it's not fruits or keto alone, it's avoiding the harmful stuff.

[@Lamz..]

They're not only losing weight but also heir muscle mass at the same time.

[@btudrus]

Show me a single person who would be on a strict no-sugar diet as baseline and THEN introduced fruit and then lost fat, LOL. You just won't find anyone. Everyone would just gain weight and have his liver-enzymes, lipids and BS much worse! No-sugar diet (including fruit) is the way we have to go...

[@temp_unknown]

Every black vegan I know is losing hair, muscle mass, are paler, with deep sunken eyes, and multiple cavities. People look fine for maybe a 1-2 years, then you're suffering from collagen loss, fat loss, AND muscle loss, from not having bioavailable amino acids, vitamins, and minerals from animal proteins and fats...but they sure are thin! That's all that matters, right?🙄

[@chrischristian61]

Thank you so much for standing by your words and helping me get rid of my fatty liver disease #drohanon on KZbin../////