GABRIEL SETH ACCEPTS THE PRIMARIS?

[@koolguy6601]

Gabriel Seth: “alright to all you new guys here, 1st rule about fight club...”

[@ForeverAlex99987]

I am new to the fight club and whats the first rule *forever Alex (nickname: F.A. or just Alex for now) very smart girl. Reflexable fighter Eyes: galaxy. Woft/human. Abilities: is mystery cuz nobody knows about him. Dangerours toxic and assassin type. Slaying his enemies left and right. Always spy on everyone. But very friendly. Kind. Sweet. Gentle. beautiful. Can see though walls. Forever Alexs gender: female. Upgrading and making weapons. Location where she is: at the workshop or nearby lake or village. And always helping gabrielle seth*

[@markmyers8472]

Seth: *beats the hell out of a primaris marine* Also Seth: "Hey want to join our brotherhood?"

[@ReallyTwistedHumor]

The Goku school of friendship

[@retroicdescent]

I took it as an initiation ritual, much like how some gangs in the real world beat new inductees to test their resolve, endurance, and establish their place within the group (aka the bottom of the pecking order).

[@dinocha0s]

Probably needed to blow off some steam before accepting them

[@xboxstudent]

@@dinocha0s Well, it's just the tip of the iceberg, the aspiration ritual of the Flesh Tearers is even more brutal than this Primaris ranks assimilation. They let the Captain of their 10th Company slaughters the recruiters wholesale without mercy until one of the recruiters had guts to fight back and triumph over the trainer.

[@randomcenturion7264]

When that Captain went on about how the Primaris were made to be better, that line from Clone Captain Rex just flashed through my mind, "In my book, EXPERIENCE outranks everything." They've got the upgrades sure. But most of them are so green they piss grass. I like the Primaris (Mainly for the Agressors and Reivers) but they're gonna have to learn no amount of fancy gifts make up for centuries of hard-won experience.

[@jakecarroll9500]

You're preaching to the choir to me @Random Centurion.

[@AdeptKing]

I think most or a good number of them are aware of that. I remember that Primaris Dark Angel who ripped the cloak off of one of his superiors noted that even though he was bigger and stronger than his superiors, they had centuries over him in terms of experience.

[@Licmebro]

Not all primaris are new some are from 30k, but people don't just become primaris lol they still go through training like anyone else and before you say well before primaris you needed to be a scout before you earned your armor...well that actually depends on what chapter your in, not all chapters have scouts.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@Licmebro I get that, but training and actual field experience are two very different things. Guys like Seth, Tu'Shan, Helbrecht, Dante, Calgar, they've got centuries of fighting experience in the worst kinds of Hell.

[@Licmebro]

@@randomcenturion7264 and they expect fully experienced soldiers from the get go lol, my main problems is the shity writing that makes absolutely no sense.

[@theroadstopshere]

Seth recognizing the lethal potential of a Primaris falling to the Black Rage if Guilliman and Cawl are wrong about the fix, and simultaneously loathing the loss of a legacy of the Sanguine Angel should it be true, aren't mutually exclusive in my mind. His protest to Dante was one based on the shared brotherhood and history of the Sanguinius successor chapters, which is possibly the strongest way he could argue his point to a fellow Blood Angel, and probably his true feelings on the matter of losing the Thirst. At the same time, his distrust of Guilliman and Cawl means that he also considers their claims dubious, and the risk that the flaw has not been corrected but simply tampered with means that what is already a dangerous factor to consider in battle is now potentially even more unpredictable and rests in an even more powerful breed of Space Marines. While it may be in the most blunt and tactless way possible, and may not even have been his intention (though I'm inclined to think it was, because Gabriel Seth is right up there with Dante among Sanguinius' sons imo, and knows what he's doing as a leader) I'd say Seth 'conveyed' all of that to the new captain pretty clearly in the short story. Chapter culture and combat style, concerns over the Black Rage and distrust of the promised fixes, a reminder to not disdain or disrespect previous generations of chapter Marines based on Primaris arrogance, and a tough love welcome to the Flesh Tearers, all in one. Is it the way Sanguinius would have handled it? Hell no. But is it fitting for some of his longest-suffering, hardest-fighting loyal sons? I'd say so. Edit: Misspelled Sanguinius in the first paragraph, I have shamed myself, battle-brothers. I must take on a Death Oath to redeem myself-- to buy all the Sanguinius books in the Black Library and begin a Blood Angels army.

[@connorcmsmith4302]

the same sort of argument can be given for the space wolves had they had more chapters to voice concerns. Even though previous lore retcons have shown that the space wolves primaries are starting to fall to the curse of the wulfen

[@nathanoneal7503]

Fantastic response. Seth is just davage in all he does. The only exception is with Dante, and even then he's passionate. Flesh tearers just dont subscribe to the we try and live nice to avoid the fight like all other BA chapters, fleshtearers think life is a fight.

[@thijshagenbeek6554]

We are now 4 years since your pennance to the Deathwatch was started. 4 years is not long in the lifetime of a Astartes, but we do demand awnsers, brother. What has happened to you, have you fallen to the rage..? Or has the thirst taken hold of your senses..? Have you bought all the Blood Angels books. Have you built a Blood Angels army.

[@theroadstopshere]

@thijshagenbeek6554 brother, it is good to hear your voice again. Is it truly only 4 Terran years? The opening of the Cicatrix Maledictum has seemingly twisted the passage of time beyond all human ken, and long passages through the Warp have distorted my view. But I gladly report to you that in my penance I have been able to amass an army of the Sanguine Sons, as well as a number of BA books. Sadly I have not fully completed my collection, but by the time my penance ends I pray the Emperor to have granted me full knowledge of our brother chapters and their history. The Thirst persists, but the Emperor protects and the Angel guides us.

[@thijshagenbeek6554]

@@theroadstopshere If you have spent 4 years in the hellscape of the Cicatrix Maladictum I will not hear your voice nor mingle words untill you are deemed clear of mind, soul and body by the chaplaincy and the apothecarion. Submit yourself to the rites of purification. Once you are deemed free of corruption, will we see you return to the Chapter.

[@uchnsn]

Seth is angry not stupid. Not accepting the primaris means no reinforcment to the chapter. He had to accept them or watch the chapter dissappear and seth wont let that happen

[@Ronfost89]

@Andrew Gray You have to think most of the Marines he lost were devoured. He probably took a hit to his chapters gene seed that could not be recovered. Hell the Blood Angels themselves were near annihilated.

[@adaeptzulander2928]

I wanted to point out (in your last video) that the reason Seth feels the way he does: in the novel Devastation of Baal, Seth watched as Sentor Jool and his Knights of Blood chapter went to their deaths to cover for Seth and the Flesh Tearers retreat. It absolutely one of the most beautiful chapters to listen to on the audiobook, Chapter 26. Seth calls for a retreat, and Jool tells him, "We can not go back!" and removes his helmut to show that the Rage has consumed him and caused a flesh-change: the entire chapter now look like Khornate monsters. Jool knows that his chapter is done for and that the best they can do is go out fighting, "It is our penance, it is our due!" Jool urges Set to survive, work to prevent what has happened to the Knights from happening to the Flesh Tearers, to aid Dante, and lastly, to remember them. His last words are that the demons of Khorne covet them for their rage, but he and his Knights will show them that their rage is a Holy Fury. "For we are noble. We are pure." Then they all run into battle against the demons and to their deaths. Seth witnessed this with his own eyes. He realized that even with the their geneseed flaws, even when they had basically lost any human semblance, and with all the sin (blood drinking etc) they had committed, these men fought to the end to be men and did not just surrender to Chaos. Seth firmly believes that the flaws are what make the Blood Angels and their successors powerful. Overcoming those flaws is what gives them the power to overcome all manner of evil the galaxy throws at them.

[@drlca6601]

So boss. Spoilers though!

[@afiqazdilizan5896]

Goddamn. Now I wanna hear the Wolf Lord cover this part. Knights of Blood are truly Sons of Sanguinius through and through.

[@godDIEmanLIVE]

This is...beautiful.

[@ZiiPBuggsy]

Beautifully put 👍

[@coalitionofrob436]

He also makes similar comments when Dante Challenges him for sending Inquisitors insane ........ points out the challenge of fighting the flaw makes them as tough as they are

[@xXSpaceMexicanXx]

"This my house! These are my warriors!" Ok I like this dude, now 🤘

[@YouAreAsleep]

Seth is a beast of a space marine. He is amazing and there is a good reason why Dante values him so highly.

[@Crack_the_Skye]

Custodes have entered the chat.

[@YouAreAsleep]

@@Crack_the_Skye That would be really bad.

[@xXSpaceMexicanXx]

@@Crack_the_Skye Oh no.

[@jamescawl6904]

@@YouAreAsleep talking shit about the Lord Commander? A guardian spear is not something you want stuck in your face. I am just waiting for Gabriel Seth to fuck up and turn his chapter into the brazen drakes 2 electric boogaloo. Also the chapter is his house? Its warriors his own? So they are not The Emperor's?

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

Never change Seth You glorious bastard you. By the way I'd like to point out the OG Chapter Master of the Flesh Tearers, Nassir Amit, said to Guiliman's face that splitting the legions would be a terrible idea, he got punched by a godamn primarch, got back up and said it again. Glad to see his legacy lives on.

[@Kalakmol]

I think after beating the ever loving crap out of the Primaris and he saw the sadness and rage in his eyes he knew. It’s like predators recognizing another predator. He knows that they weren’t cleared of the curse and that they will be just as taken.

[@KillTeamHungary]

Seth is Angry but not an idiot. The original marines are more experienced and have sometimes thousands of years of experience on the Primaris. But Seth knows that if another bug invasion comes they are toast. They need bodies. But he is still angry. So the Primaris need to prove themselves, by having either the Chapter master or the company veterans beat them to a bloody mess, breaking them in. This way Seth will vent some steam and the Primaris will know that this is not the fcking ultramarine candy store chapter, they will be only accepted if they act like flesh tearer not just painted like one.

[@nevilo1]

*_Sanguinius_* : Hear me, creature. Let Meros hear this. Your gambit has failed. Whatever these powers are that you call master, whatever irrational choice my brother Horus has made to seek a pact with them, you stand defeated upon the cusp of victory. Do you understand the reason why? *_Red Angel_* : This one. An exemplar of your kind. You were underestimated. The Thirst would have taken you-- *_Sanguinius_* : But it did not. Because as long as one single Blood Angel lives, he will be master of his spirit. He will not let the abyss that lies in the hearts of us all take him into darkness. That is the truth you do not understand, the truth that Horus has forgotten. It is not the descent toward the shadow nor the rise toward the light that makes us superior. It is the endless struggle between the two that greatness of character lies. We are tested, and we do not break. We will never fall! Take that to my brother and tell him! And for this the Flesh Tearers will never fall.

[@brandondaniels5801]

I've always loved this quote!

[@omegaman255]

Which book is this from?

[@nevilo1]

@@omegaman255 Fear to Tread (Novel) by James Swallow.

[@kw9337]

Watching the Knights of Blood fall in the defense of Baal really strengthened Seth's resolve. If the Knights were able to find honor in the end so shall the Flesh Tearers. The angels vermillion however...

[@Tacoguy1000]

Zoomer Waffen Vermillion. He lit that grinds people to blood paste?

[@fumarc4501]

We do not speak of them. Those that redeemed themselves were Blood Angels...

[@commissarlugh1040]

@Zoomer Waffen you can't just go around juicing pilgrims you heretic.

[@nil981]

And just like that, captain toivo was taught a very valuable lesson: experience trumps size and strength. I especially like how Gabriel Seth explained his fears about the primaris' fall being potentially bigger than the original space marines'

[@nofuxgivens2797]

Well I also don't think toivo really tried. Like what if he fucked Seth up? He probably would have gotten killed. Seth and his flesh tearers are just scared of being replaced. The new guys just want a chance to prove themselves. It wasnt there choice become flesh tearers.

[@TheTrueMalice]

Orks are not to be taken lightly only fools forget that. Chapter Masters have been killed by Orks as easily as average marines. Traitor Marines have more experience at war than anyone save Guiliman himself. They have had over 10000 years to hone their slaughter and tactics.

[@wangchung2157]

​​@@nofuxgivens2797 considering Apollus is allowed to challenge Seth if he detects weakness I think the Flesh tearers wouldve recognized strength

[@micaigneous_01]

Little thing from Blood in the Machine story was Seth could see that Tycho was falling to the Black Rage long before he showed symptoms. Unspoken here, I think Seth realized in that beating and acknowledgment from the Captain they could fall to the rage. Might be overreading that of course but that's my head cannon. Seth has always been a great character, driving to save his chapter and make them be a proud thing but knowing he cannot quell the beast within does everything he can to make sure other are safe from it or few see it emerge as possible. So being told Primaris didn't have the Rage and Seth anger towards makes more sense in my mind.

[@firstcaptainarenoskarlaen7103]

My predecessor was a bit vain in all honesty.

[@larryharbin6802]

Ok, Brother Rho. I can help you understand what is happening here. Consider the following and then you will get the brilliance of the story and the brilliance of Seth here: 1. What happened when Merek Grimaldus was appointed to the position of Reclusiarch of the Black Templars Space Marine Chapter? The High Marshal SLAPPED him. Then said "Let this be the last blow you ever take unanswered" (By Dorn, that's the blood of Dorn, right there) 2. Primaris Marines were held in Stasis. They WERE indoctrinated and ARE VERY LOYAL. As this new Primaris Captain appears and is having to meet with Seth, the new Priamaris has some assumptions of WHO and WHAT he was made to be, yet is truly untested. -THIS is a problem for Seth, and RIGHTFULLY SO. So I take you to number 1 again. Seth employs some pretty ancient human tactics on this new "bigger, faster, stronger, better"...yet untested and unproven CAPTAIN. - The gangs in America have a "jumping in" ceremony. You get your ass torn up by the entire group. Now matter HOW bad you think you are...this is the FORCE that is coming back AT you. As a former officer in the US Army, I can speak to the first hand experience of these type of behaviors when assigned to new units as a young officer. You take me to war, you had better be able to MAKE WAR. AS my father told me once when I was young "Son, you may be able to take me on one day...but in that day, take a moment of pity, for I will be a VERY OLD MAN". This new Captain was given a HARSH, FIRM, and VERY appropriate LESSON and WELCOME. Let's review the lesson learned: 1. Code of the Barbarian: You may be big and bad, but, brother, I am badder- Let the jaw reconstruction and scars serve as a reminder 2. You may think you are stronger- The thirst is REAL- What shall it be for you? - Observe the meditations 3. You haven't been tested- here is what a "Lesser to the Primaris" can do to you. - You have only just begun to learn. Experience MATTERS. 4. You WILL be humble to the Chapter- The Chapter is the SUM of ALL of its parts and you are but a part. Now, This Captain will struggle to become better and to PROVE himself to the Chapter. So who is the Captain trying to now prove himself moving forward (as Seth REPRESENTS the Chapter)? The Chapter- its very symbol. Not Roboute, NOR DANTE. You answer to the HOUSE. - by the way, the Codex Astartes actually MAKES this the prevailing wisdom. Hence Chapters. What we have here is a story of the humbling of a new untested and assumptive Primaris that is being put in his place with a lesson. Final Thoughts: This is a VERY well written story. Seth had NO intention of killing him. (Watch the Space Marines movie that came out quite some time ago and note the new marine getting popped at the end when he told the sergeant to "yield" and ended up on his own ass with the reminder "WE NEVER YIELD")

[@ph6857]

I agree. It should be obvious. The Chaplain was in lock step with Seth. It is OBVIOUS that Seth was making sure the young bull knows who is running things in this house as opposed to his immediate "Lord Gullliman...and Dante" defense. Welcome home, Primaris. Lesson learned. Perfect. Seth DOES act like a Black Templar, doesnt he?

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

Brothers in name only make for poor brothers. To know and respect ones family culture is to create strength at its roots. I believe Seth had a thought or something along the lines of "He's an Ultramarine Captain in Flesh Tearer colors" based on the Primaris captain's behavior.

[@Talis17118]

I this was during a time after Chief Sanguinary Priest Corbulo had ascertained that they do indeed bear the red thirst and momentary lapse of judgement that might be the black rage; Seth might have had a change of heart on his decision. However, he also isn't the type of person to willingly accept untested help from others; and if you are going to be of any assistance in the Flesh Tearer's chapter, you have to be able to take a beating and still have the fire in your soul to fight back.

[@davidlewis9346]

I saw this video title and my fun parts got all tingly.

[@jamesflowers1295]

If you ask Seth really nicely, he might cut them off for you. Should clear right up

[@ignaciotaborda6538]

By funny parts you mean your trigger happy thumb that wants to turn on your chainweapon so bad?

[@jackblackatu]

You have such a way with words

[@davidlewis9346]

James Flowers don't tempt me

[@davidlewis9346]

Ariel de la Cruz it looks like a thumb and I could probably turn on a chain sword w it.... or the adepta sororitas. Or as I call them, "the adepta senoritas".

[@JosephStraughn]

God this was satisfying to listen to. Don't get me wrong I like primaris but a first born astartes beating up a primaris feels right to a degree

[@VallornDeathblade]

@Pedro Kantor Plus it's Gabriel Fucking Seth. Mr "Rip and Tear" himself is not known for holding back in a fight.

[@JosephStraughn]

@Zoomer Waffen I know, but last time I said something like that I got called an Astartes fuckboy so I just wanted to play it safe

[@AdeptKing]

Proof that raw strength and speed aren't always enough I suppose.

[@fumarc4501]

Experience over Talent

[@junsalas8820]

They can be stronger and faster, but experience and fighting skill counts for a lot. And since Seth is a chapter master he is a much better fighter than the average first generation marine. Not surprised Seth beat the crap out of that primaris

[@stephenshw2262]

Red Angels without the Thirst are just Ultramarines in red!

[@selensleftearflap6808]

If you listen hard enough you can hear Guilliman breathe a sigh of relief. A heavy sigh at that but a sigh indeed.

[@michaelhowell2326]

I imagine Seth would rather die than upgrade to Primaris. However, he can finally see through his clouded pride to understand that to remain stagnant is to fade away. Move. Shoot. Communicate. Adapt and overcome.

[@mikemoore2791]

Thats exactly right. His pride. Moron should rejoice in reinforcements.

[@NewGuy2534]

I get the feeling he might not get the choice.

[@herpicusmc.derpington2878]

I actually don’t think he’s referring to the Rage. When the darkness calls likely refers to Chaos. Seth is worried that when the Blood Angels successors are once again tempted by the Ruinous Powers, the inexperienced Primaris marines could succumb to them taking their brothers down with them, to the side of the Warmaster

[@Pallyrulez]

Two ways to look at it, both i think plausible: The Black Rage, it is amplified by the Primaris gene and might risk the entire existence of the Chapter (either the Rage inducing and speeding up quicker development in their brothers, or merciless Judge-Jury-Executioner of the Adeptus Custodes). Or, as you said, heresy.

[@justwannabehappy6735]

I thought about that too.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

That would be a brand new concern he's never brought to anyone before, even when he had the opportunity.

[@herpicusmc.derpington2878]

It’s a fully valid concern from a chapter like the Flesh Tearers who are already pretty close to becoming the World Eaters, especially since no one is truly immune to Chaotic influence, not even the most experienced person in the Imperium

[@Unknown-SwedeX]

More flesh tearers man this is amazing.

[@ShockFist]

Wooo! You did it again Mr Rho! My favourite chapter, so under represented on YT!

[@islar7832]

I completly agree with your last statemen Rho, also remember that Seth has seen what "cured angels" did to Ball before, and also beeing bigger and stronger carries disadvantages as well, but I doubt the primaris writers are smart enough to pick on that.

[@nunyabuizness2953]

It'll be real interesting if they start transforming all the chapter masters into Primaris marines like they did Marneus Calgar. Seth is already scary as an original astartes. A primaritized Seth would be a nigh unstoppable rage monster.

[@drave8991]

Did they do that to Gabriel Angelos? He was the size of a regular space marine in the first two Dawn of War games, and in the third, he looks massive.

[@joefloggg3257]

This is my opinion He wanted to teach him an important lesson "Everyone can fall. Only those with a strong will to get back up are worthy of respect."

[@harambememorialpage]

Eight thousand more subscribers and you’ll hit 100K! Can’t wait until that day!

[@acestrategistthefirst]

Kinda suprise when Seth didn’t kill the primaris right where he stood but instead spent time insulting him.

[@mogwaiman6048]

He can't. You must accept Primaris Marines. It's an Imperial order.

[@macromicro1715]

I imagine he still doesn’t care for it. However desperate times, and flesh tearer casualties. Once they all go out devouring the flesh of their enemies, I’m sure their differences would be easily resolved.

[@mouseketeery]

Seth is full of rage, but he's not an unthinking monster.

[@mouseketeery]

@Zoomer Waffen He hasn't been retconned. He clearly still doesn't like the whole idea, he accepts them begrudgingly.

[@AdeptKing]

He's giving them a chance at the very least albeit grudgingly.

[@dwightfry37]

"I'm better than y..."-Ultraclone "What's that!? I can't hear you over my ludicrously massive chainsword!" - Gabriel Seth

[@ScipioMexicanus]

Bare hands. No Eviscerator needed.

[@muratferguson4534]

would be so interesting to see more reactions of different chapters when the Primaris came to them. Especially the special ones like Dark Angels, Black Templars, etc...

[@yeoldchief7711]

Can primaris form crusade squads and be tried and tested in the field before they get the last implants? They will probably end up being sent on the hardest of crusades just to prove their place in the Black Templars

[@BUSSTISEBOOST]

I think the Black Templar’s were 1 of the chapters that should not have been given Primaris at all because of their Numbers were already “Legion” strength.

[@muratferguson4534]

@Anzu Wyliei both did it but it would be very interesting how. there is so much potential because "inner circle" / "imperial cult"...

[@troyluv33]

Absolutely love this story.

[@jamesminto3987]

He believed them to be "ultramarines in red" until he saw the mix of anger and sorrow in his eyes he sees in all of the sons of sanguinius bear and accepted them with saying now you look like one of us, not meaning the blooded face but the rage lurking in their soul

[@jagerdergroe8604]

You should cover the time when the Flesh Tearers deal with the Inquisition, by giving the Inquisitor a glimpse into the mind of a Death Company marine....

[@coalitionofrob436]

Oh man that was awesome. Absolutely brilliant piece of writing, and with Seth telling Dante why. Sooooo awesome.

[@stephaniehaney736]

Makes you think what Hawkboi would have said about this...

[@CynicalPete]

Stephanie Haney he’d be happy. He was terrified of his father finding out about the Red Thirst

[@bryanaa196]

Guilliman delivered what Horus promised. Besides, Mephiston and Calgar already proved that the uprade is possible.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

@@CynicalPete i honestly think big E knew. He designed both the primarchs and the marines so i just dont see how he couldn't. Im of the opinion the flaws in each legion held a purpose of some sort.

[@johnohara4788]

yiggdrasill I’ve always figured that while some of them were put in through the Emperor’s work many of them came as a result of the primarchs being tossed through the warp by Chaos

[@deeezey_2239]

@Joseph Stalin the mother ??????

[@heatherordonez1490]

Sounds, to me, like when you get a new guy in an army unit. They have to prove themselves.

[@coalitionofrob436]

Agreed. They may have time up in the Crusade. now they need time up wearing the Chapter symbol.

[@logosofgame4273]

No views, 5 comments, 13 likes. This speaks of warp manipulation, I am looking at you Tzeentch.

[@VallornDeathblade]

Tzeentch: *Horrific warp giggling*

[@cloaker2829]

saw this on pewds 1 view 100 comments 3000 likes

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

Great work on this Rho! That was an awesome story, and you told it very well. Definitely a thought provoking tidbit thrown in at the end, when Seth talks about the Primaris falling to the Rage. I Think in the Blood Angels and successor chapters case though, it is going to dependent on the Veteran Tech 1 Marines to help bridge the gap of knowledge early on. The main thing is that it's not like Cawl and Guilliman only portion out the Primaris from Mars ,and there is a break-in period like picking up a new rifle or tool. The technology was given to the Chapters to also begin the creation of their own Primaris forces through the normal means of candidate selection. This allows for chapters to still incorporate the knowledge and traditions that come with becoming a member of the bloodline into the new recruits development. Also lets be real about the likelihood of seeing Seth cross the Rubicon Primaris sooner rather than later. We have Calgar and Mephiston having made the leap and I'm sure tons of people want to the the 40K embodiment of the Doom Marine get into supreme rip and tear mode as well. Anyway, always thrilled to see a new video from you mate, Cheers!

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

It's funny, this is very much like the struggle for tradition before change. It is like Edmund Burke. Certainly, there will be change over time, perhaps improvement in some fashion. It is without the temperance of developed experience, tradition, and society that establishes the discerning process of what the brotherhood sees as what defines it. Seth instructs the primaris captain in what it means to be smaller, weaker, out-gunned, and with less kit but STILL overcome. Seth shouldn't have been able to win. The Flesh Tearers shouldn't still be walking around, let alone gaining victory. Here in the US, there is sometimes a problem with evaluating a quarterback for the NFL coming up from college. The kid coming up is bigger, faster, stronger, and has a better arm. Their numbers and measurables are simply better. Often though, the kid was a highly coveted recruit, coddled, cherished, and surrounded with the best talent to maximize his skills and with the best equipment so that they can have nothing interfering with their performance. The problem is that this kid was given everything. They are used to only working with the best talent and equipment, only the best input to provide only the best output. What happens in adversity? How do you beat a better opponent? How do you press an advantage when you have no advantage? What will the primaris do when they face the a situation that, rationally speaking, they can't win? It is more than dumb experience, although you do accrue experience. It is the forging and galvanization of the people, the team, the unit in the face of the fire. It is finding a way to push further than you should be able to, to expand the envelope of operation into some way that the enemy did not foresee, it is being willing to suffer to overcome. It is finding out how much deprivation you can really take. For the same reason, you cannot have military training be too civil, too humane, too conventional. There is growth in the struggle, in the pain, in the suffering that you cannot have in comfort or excess. When the primaris face the rage and the thirst, what well can they draw from to resist or give them that one line of influence on the monster they become? Seth just helped that pup captain spin his first line of control for when, by all reason, he is going to lose.

[@NemesisMarine01]

Gabriel defeated a Eversor Assassin bare handed. The captain didn't stand a chance.

[@NemesisMarine01]

@Anzu Wyliei He'd probably survive that too. He's way beyond plot armour 😅

[@maciek8172]

The rage and sorrow on captians face is maybe what every original flesh tearer feels like everyday, even in defeat the captain was enraged, Seth saw himself in him and therefore recognized him as one of the flesh tearers, but in addition to the realization that they are also susceptible to the black rage and red thirst as they are or even more. Seth considers that as a strength, as an indication that they are indeed the sons of Sanguinius and not of Guiliman. I also enjoyed Seths philosophy of fighting, to never stop fighting and take the first initiative until there is nothing but blood left. This resembles in some ways the philosophy of fighting in the Krav Maga club that I trained in before. Use your rage and your determination (to never stop fighting until you cant even life your arms or legs anymore) in order to defeat your opponent. Rage is a powerful ally when you fight, especially when you BLACK out (maybe this means that we also feel at times a portion of black rage hehe). Hope to see more videos about the flesh tearers, I respect Seth a lot, he is not afraid to speak his mind.

[@giorgigogolashvili3097]

A Flesh Tearers video, I'll go to sleep a happy man tonight

[@leatherjacket9]

This is so crazy. Gabriel sounds so much like a Heretic Astartes or Traitor marine before they change over to chaos and betray the imperium. He echoes the mourneval of Horus and their lodge, he echoes putting the chapter above all else, like so many of the traitor marines. Wth!?! We know the history. We know about the massacres and how those that defied their chapters and looked at a need greater than their chapters and legions are the ones that were the true heroes and loyalist of the Imperium. Sanguinious put the needs of the Empire above his legion. Sanguinious knew that his sons would suffer the red thirst and were touched by Khorne and chaos, but he said "this day they will not fall and will fight for the imperium... Not each other. Gabriel echoes the same sentiment as the marine chapter recently accused of heresy. The Custodes Captain said it as well, you put your brothers and chapter above the Empire (as you always have), above the commands of the Empire. Didn't Magnus do the same, didn't Lorgar also? Not until Gabriel swears the captain in, by what seems like a unceremonious gang beating, does he feel like the Primaris is now a true flesh tearer. In this act, Gabriel has inducted the Primaris into his boys club, his lodge. Gabriel acts as though all the years blood, sweat, and tears they suffered, is what makes them true stock of Sanguinious? But what of the very 1st blood angels... Before Sanguinous was ever found and recovered. Those blood angels with newly painted armor. Gabriel has allowed his pride to twist reason and has actually i dare say... Has allowed the seeds of corruption to be planted in him. The Primaris Captain doesn't want to fight his fellow brother, but Gabriel eggs him on. Dont we remember history... That it was the world eaters, iron warriors, and Emperor's children that wanted to beat their fellow brothers... Ultramarines, lunar wolves,... They all have the propensity to fight but those chapters that teeter on the edge of chaos... Really push it on their fellow brothers or cousins. I'm so reminded of Lucious by this challenge from Gabriel and Lucious's beginnings to fall. Gabriel actually seem to take pleasure in seeing the bloody mess he had caused... Like Lucious did and how a Slannesh daemon or Drukhari would. The Primaris Marine was thinking along the lines of a broader scope. The Imperium of Man as a hold. Guilliman, Dante..., But Gabriel is thinking of "his house". Wth! Wow! This isn't actually a story of Gabriel accepting Primaris, but more of whether Primaris can be made to heel under the authority of Gabriel above all others, sort of like how a Chaos Lord makes those beneath him submit. Wow! So much of what Gabriel Seth has done and said, is akin to a Chaos Lord. Damn.

[@justwannabehappy6735]

Seth isn't the only one who has problem witht the direction the Imperium is taking under Guilliman's command. The Ecclesiarchy also resents his atheist mindset. The Black Templars and Fire Angels must also have a problem with him. Dark angels just outright mistrust him. Thing is, many people see Guilliman as an usurper to the Emperor who wants to reform the Imperium they knew and fought for 10k years. Knowing the history of the Horus Heresy, people know Primarchs can betray the Imperium. Maybe they fear Guilliman will succeed where Horus failed.

[@commissarlugh1040]

@@justwannabehappy6735 very well put.

[@carlosgarzon8900]

If guilliman fails, the imperium is lost, if guillimam succeeds, may be, the imperium hass a chance, think of guillimas as a george washinton, or a peter the great, while the ecclesiarchy an co are just stagnant, mediocre and confortable as things are, guilliman is a reformer, a proggreive, the others are trumpian kkk hillbillies. Who preffer to see the world end instead of change. (Both the emperor and tzeentch approve this message.)

[@rafaelhenriquedias7194]

this one is very good Rho, thank you

[@mikeybrokie1516]

Seth just jumped that dude into the chapter.

[@highreclusiarchgrimaldus3832]

Remember when the Primaris had no deficiencies at all then GW 1984’d that out of existence so they’d stop getting roasted? Pepperidge Farms remembers...

[@gabrielm.942]

High Reclusiarch Grimaldus it wasn’t that they didn’t have deficiencies. It’s that in canon they hadn’t existed long enough for them to know of any deficiencies. Also they didn’t have enough written about them at them time. So it’s fair to say that they’d still have deficiencies backlash or not.

[@EnigmaofGR]

@@gabrielm.942 I always interpreted it as less likely, not wholly removed. It's kind of like how GW made it like how the Space Wolves accept their own Primaris, but don't think of the Wolfspear as a true successor Chapter, thinking that not being from Fenrisian will rob them of the true heritage of Russ (the debate being whether Canis Helix/the Curse of Wulfen will only work with Fenrisians or not).

[@007JackBourne]

@@EnigmaofGR unfortunately we dont know, the technobarbarians basically died out before the wolfen became a thing so we only have our fenrisian bois.

[@Dennis-qf6gf]

Do you still hate sanguinala lord Grimaldus ?

[@rodneysandersii6997]

Gabriel Seth just popped up..I'm back

[@MrEugene112]

Damnit now I'm going to be pondering on this all night! (I know, I cry too much)

[@RockaGrand]

My opinion of this: Seth was hinting at how Space Marines (in general) are forged within the trials of fire and molding hands of combat. Primaris (presumably) were just built and made and didn’t under go the “traditional” rights as other, previous, Marines. And at the same time, hunting that, IF Primaris Marines are supposedly “stronger” than the Result of a Primaris Marine consumed by the Black Rage, without the traditional “indoctrination’s” of Blood Angels recruits etc... could result in a catastrophe. To me, this is akin to when real life military squad is forced to receive some new “Officer” whom, due to urgency etc..., is only an officer because they received a “College Degree” before the war forced them into combat and earned them an “officer” status without having gone through the rights of passage of original squad members. If that makes sense. Additionally, the Brazen Drakes Cpt was not so much defending the chapter he hadn’t met yet as he was defending himself and his brothers being transported. He was defending his stance that they “have no corruption” as they haven’t been around the original corruption.

[@Mahbu]

I have to put Wolf Lord Rho in the list of superior Warhammer channels, including 40k Theories and Oculus Imperia. He speaks with passion and clarity and his voice isn't boring either.

[@WarmasterBayou7]

It sounds a lot like Angron and Kharn when I heard this

[@t.s.7166]

Seth: "I don't like you" *Punches Primaris* "I now accept the entirety of the Primaris"

[@InterrogatorchaplainAsmodai]

Captain: calls seth short Seth: beats the shit out of captain

[@newrenaissance]

"replacing all existing primarch lineages and making them ultramarines in red armour"

[@matthewspencer2094]

Seth has shown he respects angles wrestling with the rage. That in resisting it they show their character. Dante's influence. From his point of view, either the Primaris won't have to face that and are just impostors. Or they will and won't withstand it and are a liability. I think it'll go full circle when a Primaris faces the rage and manages to put the chapters needs first... a play on the role of the Knights of Blood in the devastation.

[@kacpersabon8985]

it truly is a good thing to discuss. The whole argument that Primaris are either the cure as they have no specific modification of any primarch or the ticking bomb which will eventually lead Imperium to it's end. What if primaris start to mutate in various ways as connection of genes? Black Rage + Wolven? Maybe or Cawl was prepared for that? Many questions to answer

[@Ower8x]

it really surprises me that you are so surprised about the Primaris attitude. after all most of the Chaapter loyality comes from the shared culture , training and indoctrination that comes from the fact that the Marine is recruited locally and trained, transformed and reeducated by the chapter in the way of the chapter ... Toivo is a unnumbered sun, meaning he is among those that were created at Mars by Cawl ... This means not only was he not brought up in the culture of the chapter , he is from a completely different era, as most of those turned into Primaris by Cawl were gathered thousand of years before this. Many of them from the era when the Legions were just split ... for them a Son of a Primarch would be synonymous with the founding chapter ... and even if they were somehow connected to the specific chapter either by originating from that chapters planet the culture of the chapter would be completely different in most cases compared to the 42nd milenium incarnation of course he would have no connection or loyalty to a specific chapter. This also manifests in the fact that most Grayshield Primaris yearn to be assigned to their founding chapter as that is what in their mind it means to be a son of their Primarch and because most of them were taken from the planets of those founding chapter and so they yearn to return home after all this time. We had the example Bjarni and his reaction to the fact that he would not be returning to Fenris because he was assigned to the new Wolfspear chapter created to guard the Pit of Raukos (Dark Imperium novel) The trouble Justinian Parris has with adapting to the Novamarines in the Plague Wars novel, seeing them as nothing but a pale imitation of the Ultramarines .... Or the difference that one Dark Angel Primaris former Greyshield Farren had with his Unforgiven brothers about the treatment of the human female they were questioning ... from the War of Secrets, you even made a video about it almost a year ago ... They have no real connection to the chapters they are assigned, even to the Founding one as there are thousand of years of difference between their are and the one they are now serving in ... and plus they have been trained on Mars. as Farren puts it the "logic of Mars and the human decency of Terra" to show how culturally they are far from their assigned chapters .... sure they are sons of their respective Primarch with all the quirks and tendencies that entails as we saw in the Dark Imperium novel when we saw that mixed company of the Greyshields ... but tempered by Martian and to an extent Terran values because of their training and indoctrination ... As for the Brazen Drake captain that could be down to the which Primarch which we do not know but from their attitude to the about the original Brazen Drakes and the name I would speculate they may have been sons of Vulcan which would explain this.

[@wolflordrho]

I think this aspect of the Primaris marines is one of the most interesting things. Wish we would see more of this explored within the lore!

[@Ower8x]

@@wolflordrho Well its a interesting aspect of the Original Batch of Primaris delivered by Claw ... who are in this situation. It will go away over time as Primaris are created locally by their respective chapters, and they will be steeped in the culture and training of their respective chapter .. Which will results in them behaving as we expect a Space Marine to behave in a given chapter. through there should be changes in some ways given the Primaris Geneseed is said to be more stable and less mutated ... but I am not sure if GW and BL will actually do something with that really. But I do Agree it is a shame we do not have more stories that focus on and explore the original Batch of Primaris. The first reinforcements, the Grey shields, like Bjarni and Parris, people that were taken from their era only to awaken thousands of years later in a twisted caricature of what they once knew, maybe being assigned to chapters they did not even know about as they did not exist in their time. And on the flip side the reaction of those chapters that know nothing but the current state of the Imperium hearing about the time long gone, from the mouth of these displaced ones. We get a hint in the conversation between Ventris and Robute in Dark imperium, when Ventris mentions the Primaris talking about the Imperium as it was and how they knew it .... which really left me wanting to hear some of those stories ...

[@paul-antonywhatshisface3954]

Great video as always bro 👌

[@wolflordrho]

Thanks!

[@jonahtexhex2835]

Seth seems to get the measure of the captain, in the way the Spacemarines do which is fight. It's an overarching ingrained aspect of each chapter(chaos or loyal doesn't matter), the ol saying iron sharpens iron.

[@jackmyers8687]

God damn it. Seth was the *only* chapter master who saw the Prime Anus aswhat they were....Ulra Smurf replacements and an excuse for Rowboat to build a legion again. He was the *only* chapter master to see them for what they were; mutant abominations that should never have existed

[@thydzz2180]

Even if you're bigger and "Stronger", never look down on your peers. Specially the ones that had fought almost everything and anything in the current galaxy and have killed more foes than the number of years you have spent consciously living

[@MrVellj001]

Strike First and Keep Striking Until nothing but Blood Remains. That is the Seth I know and love. That is what a real deadly fighter does.

[@-MarcelDavis-]

I don't think the Primaris Brasen Drakes acted like they did because they were loyal to their newly assigned chapter. To me it seemed like they truely felt that what the Custodes was doing was wrong, not to mention that defending their new chapter also meant defending themselves. I also don't think a lot of the Primaris are as loyal towards their newly assigned chapters as the old ones. Primaris (at least the unnumbered sons) weren't made by their chapter. They werent trained by their chapter and this is why they wont feel indebted to their chapter. They could have been assigned to any other chapter of the same lineage and I think that's what it is to them, an assignment. This is what Guilliman intended when he had them fight together in mixed squards from different gene-lines. If their gene-line doesn't matter to them, why should they care about an arbitrary division into chapters?

[@catnium]

you mean just like how the legions of the primarchs them self's where not recruited and trained on their worlds ? some of the primarchs also did not really appreciate these new green guys the emperor brought with him.. despite them having fought multiple battles already and being quite experienced they just weren't the same as the primarchs own men from their home world who weren't even space marines at that point. many a primarch had to re indoctrinate their new legions into his worlds costumes and traditions Sets doing the same thing here basically. girly man is basically repeating what the emperor did but instead of finding his sons to unite them with their legion he's looking for his bro's kids to unite them with their new re-reinforcements its the same thing basically history repeats or as George Lucas would say they rhyme .. all the episodes...they rhyme.

[@xeniosaias]

I hate the custodes ever since. Such a waste. The Drake's captain was honourable!

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

First rule of Flesh Tearers - don't talk about Flesh Tearers. Second rule: if you're in the chapter for first time you have to fight.

[@hughgedney3393]

A very extremely awesome and interesting video as always Wolf Lord Rho.

[@isawaryokage]

I think the fight was a test not only for the captain but also for Seth himself. The idea of "you can only truly know someone after a fight". So Seth tested his mettle and his resolve and, somehow, understood that the primaris will most likely fall to the black rage, has they are not as perfect as Guilliman and Cawl make others believe, though they seem resistant to it. Thus his belief that when they fall, it will be much harder than normal. And with the idea that Primaris marines are not so infallible, he gained some acceptance for them.

[@planetoftheweek]

I did like this video before watching it. I was not disappointed by my decision after watching it.

[@wolflordrho]

😂

[@bmsr13]

There's this book that is still in Limited Edition only (aka sold-out on official site in seconds, and now costing triple on ebay) - Darkness in Blood. Last book of Dante trilogy. And there we learn everything about Blood Angels curse, its origin etc. When you get to read it, the primaris situation will make a lot more sense, and questions about Cawl's 'cure' will be answered. Though not posting anything here, as it is major spoilers, and most people are unable to get the book atm. Just heads up for you to grab Darkness in Blood ASAP when it gets general release.

[@outdude]

I feel like what he was wanting was that look at the end: the look of hatred and sorrow. It felt like the moment the primaris was “enlightened” by Seths worries and wasn’t able to say anything back. Was the moment Seth knew he was a flesh tearer. What I’m saying is that Seth and the flesh tearers are angry boys in a grim dark universe, but they have it like Ragnorak dark so secretly they’re pretty bummed about the gravity of their predicament.

[@arranthorn8712]

from a Flesh Tearers fan, thank you Rho!

[@MattisLegend]

Gabriel Seth has always been an honorable champion.

[@YouAreAsleep]

This is what I'm talking about! Some Flesh Tearers love! :D

[@mikearoni9852]

Makes you wonder about the carcharadons being given the gift of the primaris, the red wake meeting the custodes would be one for the ages

[@judgestrix5106]

Thanks for the video Rho 😁

[@bigchef290]

Sometimes things are understood through fist.

[@fin4889]

Reminds me A LOT of fight club, the book. Highly recommend reading for any Hardcore FT fans.

[@Duppyman695]

"This Is My House, These Are My Warriors" Seth is right to be cautious! But in the end Primaris are here to stay even within the Flesh Tearers.

[@Duppyman695]

@@Zoomer Waffen you don't think so ? I think they sell which to me means every chapter and soon probably every legion aswell !

[@Aristaios]

@Zoomer Waffen got no choice one does not refuse a gift from the emperor after all

[@marshaledrek71]

Gabriel Seth is one of the wisest chapter masters in all truth. He more than any understands his duty and the burden of the Black Rage. I agree with the idea that he believes the Primaris could be their doom when/if they fall to the Black Rage.

[@stevinacanstevinacan9618]

well I'm glad GW didn't just do a "Seth loves them now!" like they did with the Dark Angels but would of done so much more for their narrative if Seth had killed his Primaris reinforcements

[@tonycajefe]

@Wolf Lord Rho, I think Seth changes his thinking when he was punching the captain. When the captain is blacked-out maybe Seth saw something BloodAngely, like blackrage/bloodthurst. He saw it in the captain, now Seth is waiting for the Primaris to be activated

[@jasonparrish8670]

Just a hint of Angron first meeting the World Eaters, but without killing the first few Primaris Captains he meets. Sanguinius is so close to the Warp by virtue of the Emperor making it one of his defining characteristics. The black rage and red thirst seem to be symptoms of that special

[@yeetcanyon5799]

So I've completed my IG army and I've wanted to make a Space Marine but I don't really like any of the main chapters (They're all okay) but I now know I want my Space marine army to be painted Flesh Terror red and black. Seth is awesome

[@BIOTREX]

Now this is what I've been looking forward the most....

[@kristofferdy3559]

@wolf lord rho it is better to deal with 1 than to deal with many... he will be an example and a testimony to what they should be. The life they live ... and what to expect

[@kristincarey2749]

It's interesting to see how what the custodes said is so true, that marines are more loyal to their chapters and primarchs than the emperors will. As the flesh tearers are so fearful of losing their only last connection to sanguinius

[@Beadlayer69]

Seth had to change his mind to justify gw’s approach to inducting the primaris marines into the lore. They needed the most vocal antagonist to bend and accept them in order to make us old gw boomers see and think WeLL mAybE ThEy ArEnT sO bAd to try and get us to come around to them :/

[@Gotrk]

He saw the rage in his eyes and he knows thats the fire of the Black rage inside the Primaris. Thats the reason he accepted them,and called him brother. He saw the same glint in the eye every Flesh tearer shares constant fight with the rage inside of them still contained by the sheer will of primaris.

[@jt-td3fw]

Just off the record of how good this week has gotten with this vid and there encounter oofffpph! Tense... But what do you think of the astartes vids?.

[@wmen48]

I can say I really can relate to his one. As a fairly older guy that is the fighter we have this moments when we talk with other fighters. You never respect somebodies opinions before you know their fighting cred. And sparring is the best for this. And in a berserker style chapter blood and being beat up is a daily routine, Hell I get punched in the face daily to be prepaired. Also the humbling of a new shiny better thing is at Seths mind. He has to be alpha in an alpha setting and can't afford having dissident thoughs in his chapter. The thing that new primaris didn't want to be in the chapter only made him more sure that they are kindred spirits as an astartes with different values. But still his maturity as a chapter master won and he decided to accept aid to his chapter. But not as an aid but as a new weapon to use against enemies of the emperium. Political move sure but smart on all fronts.

[@echowolf4230]

I think the first Primaris, who served in the unnumbered sons have less ties to their chapter, because the did not spend years, decades if not centuries fighting for the chapter. They formed bonds with the people they served within the unnumbered sons, meaning: with Astartes from all lineages and geneseeds.

[@kelman727]

A lot of fans seem to have missed the point Seth was actually wrong in DoB. And the point is moot: Primaris BA now have Black Rage.

[@nil981]

They do, but to a lesser degree than regular marines

[@MrHubcio666]

He wasn't wrong, they just retconned Primaris being immune

[@dominichall6576]

Nope it was retconned

[@UmbraNupe]

Hubcio where? In Darkness in Blood that doesn’t happen. They get the rage.

[@MrComputingdragon]

Just like everyone who thought the earth was flat wasn’t wrong, god just retconned the shape.

[@Anthyrion]

You know, that whole Primaris thing reminds me a little bit on that, what happend to the Thunder Warriors at the end of the Terran Unification War. The Emperor said, that they are not longer needed and they were hunted down to be replaced with the Space Marines. Maybe the same thing happens to the Space Marines right now. The Primaris Marines are made to be stronger and better than the average Space Marine. But Chapter Master Seth showed the Primaris Captain, that more power isn't everything. The Primaris came fresh from the cloning facilitys and hadn't any experience in battle. If the Primaris really want to be in the Space Marine Brotherhood, they have to proof themselfs in combat.

[@luckylarry71]

Well, as long as all the nu-Marines stay in the back with their plasma incinerators, dual wielded storm bolters and firestorm gauntlets while the real Flesh Tearers go to work and do what they do best, I'm totally on board with these changes. Having some Inceptors or Hellblasters as support for Assault Marines and Termies is worth swallowing the pride in my book.

[@eichler721]

Love Seth he gives zero F**** about feelings. All business

[@immortallvulture]

Seth has spent his life as an Astartes fighting against the flaw in the flesh tearers and during the battle for Baal he almost single handedly held his chapter back from the brink of being lost to rage. I think Seth in equal parts hates the flaw but acknowledges that the black rage and the constant struggle against it is also what defines the flesh tearers as a chapter, it is in equal parts their burden and their source of strength, physically and spiritually. Seth hated the idea of the primaris because without fighting the flaw they would never understand what it meant to be a son of Sanguinius, and would ultimately be lesser for it, and that a few centuries down the line when Astartes had completely been replaced by primaris there would be a chapter who wore the flesh tearers badge and spoke the battle cry, but without the flaw would have no connection to the flesh tearers of old. I think that after he beat that captain to a pulp, Seth saw that rage and sorrow in his eyes and realised that these new marines might have that spark inside of them that ties all the sons of Sanguinius, and that’s what made him decide to accept the primaris.

[@paulbrule5897]

I think that Seth saw the primaris at first as little more than Ultramarines with red coats of paint. But while confronting the here primaris he saw that albeit green he could be made into Flesh tearer material, in due time

[@GenjiBG]

First "Hunger" is the best audio drama, and it made me a Seth/flesh tearers fanboy for life :) Second Seth is a total beast on the battlefield, but he is one of the most pragmatic OG astartes in 40k. He has been making lemonade from lemons for a looong time and he is not trowing away the new grapefruits before he's tasted them properly :) Being a Flesh Tearer means being at constant struggle with the "flaws" and using them to destroy humanity's foes in the most gruesome way. If the primaris can survive the struggle (we know that they are not immune to the black rage) he will welcome them as full brothers (that's my personal canon ;) )#makinglemonadewithGWlemons :)

[@SleepySack]

Cool content! Subscribed :)

[@hallo-mt5tx]

im ok with primaris blood angels as long as they have what makes the blood angels special

[@kelman727]

du spast Which they do...

[@glitchlife4639]

Seth is an interesting character. He seems like both a pragmatic individual who will utilize whatever tools he has to work with, including the rage, for the salvation of his beloved Imperium, and a brooding philosopher, capable of seeing what is really happening around him in the big picture without the taint of rose colored glasses. There is one thing that is absolute about Seth, Gabriel Seth cares about the Imperium, about the Sons of Sanguinius, About the black rage, about his legions honor, and about the future. I feel like he is legitimately terrified that the primaris will fall and the galaxy will suffer immeasurably more, but that the new blood sent to him are true Brothers of the Blood and thus he will not turn them away but do his absolute best to forge them into true Flesh Tearers.