THE BOND OF DANTE AND GABRIEL SETH! THE TROUBLED PAST WITH THE FLESH TEARERS!

Hi all Rho here! Today we're discussing the history of Dante and Gabriel Seth. How the relationship between the Blood Angels and the Flesh Tearers was not always a good one...
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[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

The First Founding Chapter are special and do deserve extra prestige and special treatment. Symbolically, militarily and politically they are the most central and legendary chapters, representing the fractures and disorganized Adeptus Astartes as a collective. Select second founding chapters might rise to promises like The Black Templars and Flesh Tearers, but they just are not the same.

[@tannerallen4074]

Day 365 of me trying to figure out if Rho re-records his intro every time, or if he has an audio clip he’s recorded once and inserts into every video.

[@chriswolfe403]

A plow, a nail and a horseshoe may all be made of the same iron, but without the plow, the farm fails.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

Seth, for all his skill in combat, has little skill in politics. Losing a first founding chapter would utterly destroy morale and the structure of the whole imperium and Dante asked with polite behaviour for a chapter master of ANY chapter. I'm quite happy to say seth was both wrong and hot-headed.

[@michaelwarga3916]

I'm of two minds. On the one hand, Seth is absolutely right to tell Dante that he gets what he deserves. On the other, the first founding chapters seem to have a "to big to fail" problem. Think of the blow to Imperial morale if one of the first founding chapters, the symbols of the emperor's might, collapsed. It wouldn't matter how many successors were still running around, the loss of one of those icons would be devastating to the loyalists. In the same way, it would be a powerful morale boost to the traitors as well.

[@EpicMogi]

A first founding chapter master asking successor chapters for men to rebuild always seems like a tall order. For Imperial Fists it’s called Tuesday.

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

I think that while the Blood Angels "Aren't the Ultramarines" they have one of the tightest bloodline bonds, if not the tightest, of all the Astartes legion templates. They are proud and independent chapters like they were when they were independent companies within legion, however they are unquestioningly devout to the lineage of Sanguinius. While the Blood Angels are now just a Chapter, they are still the primary remaining vestige of the history of Sanguinius and their brotherhood. As we can see in the aftermath of the Devastation of Baal the Blood Angels hold it as their duty to remember the deeds and sacrifice of all those of the Blood and not just the Chapter. It also holds that there is rare significance to the Chapter because of the unique Chapter bridging roles that they hold in a number of areas, but in particular with Astorath. I think that while there is a ton of huff and puff when Dante makes the request it is known beyond most doubt that as it is for the legacy of Sanguinius, the rest of the chapters would do anything to preserve it.....And they do!

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Dante's position as the spiritual leader and defacto-lord of his Bloodline is not something he or any Chapter Master of the Blood Angels have always had. In older novels and short stories we see Dante's reputation slowly growing. The Ninth Gene-line is not like the First or even the Seventh. The First Founding Chapter commands not one marine of the successors. But as Dante is so personally charismatic and awesome, he gets this kind of respect. And now with the explicit backing af the Primarch Guilliman, Dante's personal aura of respect and command is near enough official. Now any of the Blood would be in a difficult position to outright refuse an order from him.

[@dawiddawid7198]

Seth is unworthy of Sanguinius legacy, same as his sorry chapter

[@dukeofawesome3718]

Wouldn't Gabriel Seth and Dante be Brother Chapter Masters? Sine they're both Sons of Sanguiniuos

[@macshadow1150]

Dante: I want recruits from every succesor chapter.

[@thegreatangel8251]

First Founding Chapters > Successor Chapters.

[@maciekwilkosz6377]

Gabriel Seth once more speaking out of his ass. What a statesman he is, Sanguinus would be proud...

[@mouseketeery]

It's a bit different for the Second Founding than for subsequent foundings. The Second Founding Chapters were, after all, formed by the same original legionaries as the First Founding ones, and I think I'm right in saying that the majority of the Chapters of the Blood are Second Foundings. It's therefore not surprising that they don't feel themselves to be 'lesser' in any way. Specific to Dante and Seth, the Blood Angels Chapter and the Flesh Tearers were formed by fellow Captains, the first and fifth respectively, both of them considered favoured by Sanguinius himself.

[@KhaosTy]

You could have mentioned that by the end of the second omnibus Gabriel changes his mind after all the chapters defend Sanguinius' body together.

[@namenull7399]

6:50

[@Bananaskin101]

That's a really good point I've always overlooked, first and second founding Chapters are from the parent Legion. Both have equal claim to historic regard, martial history and respect up to the point of the second founding.

[@slackeratlarge575]

I loved the older blood angels books with Sgt Rafen

[@Divenity]

First founding chapters do deserve special considerations in these cases, the morale loss that the entire Imperium would suffer as result of the destruction or otherwise loss of a first founding chapter would be downright massive... The damage to the entire Imperium as a result would be incalculable, Dante was right to ask for a tithe, and Seth was immeasurably wrong to suggest the Blood Angels disband.

[@Dirty_Wizard]

Keep up the great work Rho. You are like my David Attenborough of 40K love all the content bud