THE BOND OF DANTE AND GABRIEL SETH! THE TROUBLED PAST WITH THE FLESH TEARERS!

Hi all Rho here! Today we're discussing the history of Dante and Gabriel Seth. How the relationship between the Blood Angels and the Flesh Tearers was not always a good one...
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[@macshadow1150]

Dante: I want recruits from every succesor chapter. Some Blood Angel: Lamenters too? Dante: Of course, what can go wr- (One devastation of Baal later) Dante: That was mistake

[@johndoe7270]

LMFAO

[@chriswolfe403]

A plow, a nail and a horseshoe may all be made of the same iron, but without the plow, the farm fails.

[@cdb5961]

That's why you use a 🚜

[@sydisticsandman]

That's cute it's like you don't believe in shovels... or hand planting. Lmao nice try.

[@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935]

Why not? When the legions where disbanded to form the chapter's they didn't make new marines for those chapter's. The Flesh tearers where already a thing even before the Great Heresy and where the ones that kill the space Wolves assign to watch Sanguinius. The second founding Chapter's deserve just as much in honours and respect as any of the first founding chapter's.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

The First Founding Chapter are special and do deserve extra prestige and special treatment. Symbolically, militarily and politically they are the most central and legendary chapters, representing the fractures and disorganized Adeptus Astartes as a collective. Select second founding chapters might rise to promises like The Black Templars and Flesh Tearers, but they just are not the same.

[@Dogue83]

Foolish prespective. Carcaradons, Minotaurs, Starphantons are ten times more vicious and powerful than skulking Dark Angels or amacable salamanders

[@bobjohnson1633]

Successor chapters are only what they are because of the founders blazing trails for them

[@ruinerblodsinn6648]

@@Dogue83 the Dark Angels would wipe the floor with any of those chapters.

[@Alpharius87]

You all do realize the second founding are from the legions themselves so they are the same to a degree besides years of drift from tactics

[@bobdrooples]

Not the Furries. They deserve derision for lack of imagination. Fortress kennels smelling like wet dog and pubescent boys bedrooms.

[@thegreatangel8251]

First Founding Chapters > Successor Chapters. Dante was absolutely right. It’s the chapters of the Bloods homeworld. It’s the centre of all things sons of Sanguinius. The successors absolutely had a duty to come and protect it.

[@EpicMogi]

A first founding chapter master asking successor chapters for men to rebuild always seems like a tall order. For Imperial Fists it’s called Tuesday.

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

I think that while the Blood Angels "Aren't the Ultramarines" they have one of the tightest bloodline bonds, if not the tightest, of all the Astartes legion templates. They are proud and independent chapters like they were when they were independent companies within legion, however they are unquestioningly devout to the lineage of Sanguinius. While the Blood Angels are now just a Chapter, they are still the primary remaining vestige of the history of Sanguinius and their brotherhood. As we can see in the aftermath of the Devastation of Baal the Blood Angels hold it as their duty to remember the deeds and sacrifice of all those of the Blood and not just the Chapter. It also holds that there is rare significance to the Chapter because of the unique Chapter bridging roles that they hold in a number of areas, but in particular with Astorath. I think that while there is a ton of huff and puff when Dante makes the request it is known beyond most doubt that as it is for the legacy of Sanguinius, the rest of the chapters would do anything to preserve it.....And they do!

[@James-zi4hj]

Spacewolves would give them a run for their money, operating almost completely independently and happy to fight anyone to protect their bloodlines

[@00yiggdrasill00]

Seth, for all his skill in combat, has little skill in politics. Losing a first founding chapter would utterly destroy morale and the structure of the whole imperium and Dante asked with polite behaviour for a chapter master of ANY chapter. I'm quite happy to say seth was both wrong and hot-headed.

[@pug1184]

Is Seth ‘wrong’ and ‘hot headed’ or is he simply asking the questions that need to be answered? If Dante can answer the questions Seth puts before him, he has the opportunity to demonstrate that the Blood Angels are still worthy of the investment they have requested from their successors. If Dante can’t answer these questions, or refuses to on grounds of entitlement, then that would tell the other Chapter Masters something.

[@CarmineARK]

@@pug1184 they are the first founding, they have every right.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

@@pug1184 but Dante did answer those questions, and he was still so reckless as to propose disbanding a founding Legion chapter. Now as chapter master of a second founding he more than most had a right to ask, but this is not the only known incident of Seth blowing his top and acting reckless.

[@michaelwarga3916]

I'm of two minds. On the one hand, Seth is absolutely right to tell Dante that he gets what he deserves. On the other, the first founding chapters seem to have a "to big to fail" problem. Think of the blow to Imperial morale if one of the first founding chapters, the symbols of the emperor's might, collapsed. It wouldn't matter how many successors were still running around, the loss of one of those icons would be devastating to the loyalists. In the same way, it would be a powerful morale boost to the traitors as well.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

Just reform it then. Which was what the Imperial Fist successors did when the Imperial Fist chapter became extinct. It's not unique even in military history. The German 6th Army was reformed after Stalingrad (and destroyed again), the Red Army reformed fronts, armies and divisions on a regular basis and whenever the US Navy lost a carrier in battle the name was passed on to a new carrier. The Lexington, Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp, all saw service again as new Essex class carriers. It helped to raise homefront morale and undoubtedly confused enemy planners. Did we or did we not sink that ship?

[@kentbagaipo3368]

Guilliman actually mentioned this in the Wolf time Novel. One of the main reasons he wanted the Wolves to take in Primaris. They were about 700 or less Spacewolves.

[@browniechann88blackie55]

The original imperial fist chapter died

[@michaelwarga3916]

@@browniechann88blackie55 True, but the Fist successors immediately rebuilt it. Seth seemed to be advocating for the complete disbandment of the Blood Angels.

[@maciekwilkosz6377]

Gabriel Seth once more speaking out of his ass. What a statesman he is, Sanguinus would be proud...

[@mouseketeery]

It's a bit different for the Second Founding than for subsequent foundings. The Second Founding Chapters were, after all, formed by the same original legionaries as the First Founding ones, and I think I'm right in saying that the majority of the Chapters of the Blood are Second Foundings. It's therefore not surprising that they don't feel themselves to be 'lesser' in any way. Specific to Dante and Seth, the Blood Angels Chapter and the Flesh Tearers were formed by fellow Captains, the first and fifth respectively, both of them considered favoured by Sanguinius himself. Also, a point about the Chapters answering Dante's call for the protection of Baal - they weren't just responding to Dante's perceived authority, but to defending their Primarch''s homeland and his actual physical remains. Imagine if Tyranids got hold of Primarch DNA!

[@KhaosTy]

You could have mentioned that by the end of the second omnibus Gabriel changes his mind after all the chapters defend Sanguinius' body together. "We are not cousins. We are brothers, " he says

[@namenull7399]

6:50 - 7:43 “Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[@tannerallen4074]

Day 365 of me trying to figure out if Rho re-records his intro every time, or if he has an audio clip he’s recorded once and inserts into every video.

[@Bananaskin101]

That's a really good point I've always overlooked, first and second founding Chapters are from the parent Legion. Both have equal claim to historic regard, martial history and respect up to the point of the second founding.

[@slackeratlarge575]

I loved the older blood angels books with Sgt Rafen

[@Divenity]

First founding chapters do deserve special considerations in these cases, the morale loss that the entire Imperium would suffer as result of the destruction or otherwise loss of a first founding chapter would be downright massive... The damage to the entire Imperium as a result would be incalculable, Dante was right to ask for a tithe, and Seth was immeasurably wrong to suggest the Blood Angels disband.

[@Dirty_Wizard]

Keep up the great work Rho. You are like my David Attenborough of 40K love all the content bud

[@Rowan3733]

Does anyone else get crazy 40k dreams when listening to Rhos vids before bed

[@chrisfrombeyond4240]

Seth has a bad habit of self-righteous arrogance.

[@dukeofawesome3718]

Wouldn't Gabriel Seth and Dante be Brother Chapter Masters? Sine they're both Sons of Sanguiniuos

[@Ally.Cat.252]

I love the Blood Angels! I have a 30k Blood Angels army and a 40k Flesh Tearers army.

[@BrendanTM]

I’d never heard of the civil war! Awesome! Another unknown tidbit it’s why this channel rocks. Fair play!

[@chrisrodgers855]

Dantes response to Seth saying you’re ordering like you’re the emperor. Should be thank you Gabriel considering I’m the Warden in charge of the entire imperium on the side of the Galaxy that’s what I’m going for the voice of the emperor if I could be so blessed.

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@georgiots1409]

I really enjoyed reading the James Swallow BA books. They have their problems but they are good reads. Definitely recommended.

[@AlindBack]

Hey Rho, I was just reminded of the Dorn vs Fulgrim fight from Saturnine and wanted to see your thought on it. I recall you've brought it up before, but, as far as I can tell, it seems you've never done a video on it. Might be a good scene to break down in its own video.

[@jonpaulevans31]

Rho, have you ever gone over the short story involving Amit vs Kharn and Azkaellon vs Lucius on the channel? It's a good, quick read, that gives insight into finding balance between honor and the Red Thirst, and realization that being wholly one thing is never good. The BA need a balance of both.

[@danielcolclough3248]

Deus Encarmine, and Deus Sanguinius were my first 40,000 novels. Still have them, worn out as they are. Got the others when they dropped. Still enjoy reading through them. Made me fall in love with the Blood Angels, and with the 40,000 universe as a whole.

[@davidbottoms7127]

We few we happy We few, we happy few, we band of brothers. For he to day that sheds his blood with me, shall be my brother.” ― William Shakespeare, Henry V.

[@davidbottoms7127]

It seems as tho Dante was speaking to Gabriel Seth as a brother

[@shotou]

It's stories like this that show just how strange the Dark Angels are. Azrael is the undisputed master of the Dark Angels, and all it's successor chapters.

[@BladeMaster117]

well the Dark Angels never disbanded into chapters and just stayed a legion while pretending to break into chapters.

[@shotou]

Shoosh you.

[@Dirty_Wizard]

I do think all the successor chapters should answer to their 1st Founding Brothers across all the Chapters of course unless your firsts founding chapter is a traitor Legion

[@jasonweeks6318]

Rho I have an interesting idea for a video. Why not a video on which Primarch's would have been turned to chaos regardless and those who were "up in the air" so to speak.

[@jonbauml225]

Awe man. I was hoping you would retell the rest of the story. How was it resolved? Tease

[@browniechann88blackie55]

Reminds me of the relationship between Thor and Loki in the first avengers movie

[@NemFX]

As someone who loves the first two books of the Blood Angels omnibus, the Arkio Insurrection is a major plot point of the Blood Angels that most people don't know about. So, two literal brothers become Blood Angels. Rare. But one day, during a big fight, Arkio grows wings out of nowhere. The Blood Angels all go nuts, and some think that Arkio is the Angel reborn. Rafen doesn't know what to think. TLDR, it's a whole daemon thing. They end up basically having a WWF style fight, and I wish they had a folding chair. Arkio with his wings, Rafen with a jump pack, basically doing the Neo/Smith fight from the Matrix movies. But. The side effect was, the Blood Angels kinda had their own religious schism. Which came to gunfire. After that, Dante asked for neophytes, and geneseed, and whatever else he could get. Seth, the chapter master of the Flesh Tearers had come to Baal in a thunderhawk, probably missing a wing, and the other one held on by duct tape and prayers. Meanwhile, Dante is standing there, literally encased in gold. His captains are covered in gold. His line troops are covered in bling. His thunderhawk has TWO wings. And he wants MORE stuff? Anyway. Fabius Bile happens. He steals a bunch of stuff, and makes some things called Bloodfiends. Imagine skinless werewolves that want blood. The Blood Angels and the successors that were on-planet have to work together. Seth and Dante are at the shrine to Sanguinius, and basically have an action movie bromance. After they win, they all get back to talking about helping the Blood Angels out. Seth entirely flips his stance, and is the first to offer help. See, Seth and the other Flesh Tearers assumed that the Blood Angels had become weak. Their armour is perfect, they look perfect, meanwhile everyone was offended that Seth literally came straight from a fight, his armour all wrecked. But Seth leaves us with one of the best reasons, reminds us how space marines act. "He who sheds his blood with me, shall be my battle brother eternal."

[@jianwong6905]

I know you can't afford the BA's healing Long Sleep, but get well soon Wolf Lord Rho!

[@blackjrdavidw]

The blood angels is Sanguinius chapter, to ask to disband is crazy

[@rambo9691]

If blood angles chapter got dissolved, all blood angles successor chapter marines would take a leadership debuff of -1.

[@ricardoalonso8376]

Seth could have refused without attempting to disband the Blood Angels. Seth forgets that they are the wardens of Baal, the homeworld of the legion. The main chapter has a pivotal role and had just suffered a terrible chaos plot that caused a civil war. A lesser Comander would have joined in the celebration of the reborn Primearch. But, the change in the relationship means Seth cane arround to see Dante as a worthy leader if the legion.

[@chrisrodgers855]

This is super simple. The Legions we’re broke into chapters to prevent too many Astartes in one place at one time from one legion. So the legions were broken into chapters which were divided across the imperium. Since the Legion is blood angels and Dante is a chapter master in place of sanguineous and every successor chapter is a blood angel the last successor chapter formed should be dissolved and return to the legion proper of the blood angels

[@dawiddawid7198]

Seth is unworthy of Sanguinius legacy, same as his sorry chapter

[@BillD5244]

I think it would be a bad idea to reintroduce some of the geneseed, some of them have mutation not found in the BA. However this isn't an unheard of thing as the Imperial Fist were wipedout to a man and was rebuilt from 2nd founding stock.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

I'd laugh if Fabious Bile got his hands on that feather, and, with the help of Tzeentch, made a perfect clone.

[@Or_Am_I_Alpharius]

Didn’t the IF go through something similar during The War of the Beast? IIRC the Black Templars we’re against giving away some of their crusaders to rebuild the VII

[@richardnash1224]

Seth is just speaking the truth and his mind, just like Amit did with Sanguinius. He didn't pull his punches with Sanguinius, so why would Seth do it with Dante? It was Amit who first put forward the idea they had been betrayed by Horus.

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

I'm not sure that I would want any recruits who thought that being a Flesh Tearer was a good idea.

[@jadmurdoch1986]

I'm a simple man, I see Dante, I click :D

[@joelburger9226]

Dante has never called for and would never call to reinforce successor chapters. Case in point let's just take a look at the Lamenters.....

[@user-hn5bi3nw9y]

First founding chapters should be allowed to grow atleast 5000 marine size really

[@the13th]

I think to some extent Dante doing this wasn't just a thing of "I expect" I think earlier in the story when they are debating if this should happen that you can see he understood the reception this would get. I think he went into this knowing it wouldnt go down well but this was his attempt at genuinely making an attempt to repair that bridge, obviously it didnt go well because Dante is partially what they see him as and he will come across as expecting because of that. I do think he expected it but I dont think its a simple as "we're more important" its more this should be important to us all, we are one, we SHOULD be one, this is our chance to become one... Theresa a TONNE of subtext in this but thats what I love about our Chapter I dunno thats just me

[@jameswright4640]

So what happened to bring them closer together?

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Seth is a man. This is why he is seen as the inheritor of Amit. Amit even spoke hard truths to Sanguinius when it had to be said. Seth speaks hard truths to Dante when others are too feminine to do so. You see Seth respect Dante, another man, after they had their conflict. That is what alpha males do.

[@AndyAttrition]

Their relationship goes further back. „Red Fury“ shows better why the Fleshtearers look to the Blood Angels with both admiration and contempt.

[@andrewstewart5584]

Just a curious idea with Dante being 1000+ years old does he have the studs in his head like the other marines?? 🤔

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

3:36why did you refer to them as cousin chapter masters the blood of sanguineius flows through their veins they are both sons of the angels therefore they are brothers.

[@daveharrison61]

Because since the Second Founding brotherhood is WITHIN a Chapter. Thus Chapters from the same bloodline are now cousins rather than brothers.

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

@@daveharrison61 I can understand when astartes from different blood 🩸 lines would refer to each other as cousins that make sense but it doesn’t make sense in regards of different chapters of the same bloodline. Especially the sons of sanguineius the blood angels have kept such a close relationship with their successors matched only by the dark angels and the unforgiven. Every time I hear them refer to each other as cousins instead of brothers I feel it belittles the bonds they share. Brothers may split up when they get older may split up but they are still brothers this applies for the sons of the angel even though not all of them are blood angels.

[@daveharrison61]

@@gideonhorwitz9434 but they are no longer a single warrior brotherhood. They are many brotherhoods. This the best term to denote bloodline but NOT membership of the same chapter is cousin. It adds a degree of spectrum to the relationships.

[@rwagingsloth9528]

Once upon a time the founding legions WERE special, and a cut above the successors. this is due to many of the founding chapters retaining many of the veterans. (if I'm mistaken PLEASE point it out as I'm not hardcore fan just a filthy casual) however as time passed the original veterans fell and the overall average prowess of the astartes fell. few if any of the founding can lay claim to being superior to their successors in anything but legacy now.

[@bloodjunky9214]

Where was this Gabriel when Guiliman showed up? Because there he didn’t say shit in response did he get cold feet or did he know guiliman would humble his ass right there and then. He just shit talked him to Dante like a teenage girl. That’s not what i expected out of Seth. The space wolfs did it and came out all the more badass

[@Ryuzakku]

Successors only exist because Guilliman decreed it to be so, to which he has already said he regrets. So the Flesh Tearers shouldn't even exist, and Nassir Amit would have stayed a Blood Angel.

[@paulstottlemyer4345]

How it is in real life the first founding are like division 82 nd and 101st aa those are rapid deployment post they have to all ways maintain enough men to deploy not only that .if he is lord commander by this point he could have ordered it

[@eichler721]

Dante forged a bond with all his cousin Chapters due to this incident and the schism that threatened the Blood Angels. A bond Seth values more then any other Astartes which is rare for him.

[@squoblat]

You can't be friends with someone if you're subservient to them, I think this moment actually solidified Gabriel Seth as an equal with Dante, that's the point he started to build a relationship rather than a command structure with Gabriel. I like the fact that Dante gets a reality check from time to time and deals with it through personal growth, rather than the typical 40k warlord response of tunnel vision "I'm right-ism".

[@stewartthorpe2533]

Comment for the algorithm gods!

[@Knight-chaplainashriel]

I really need to build a Blood Angel army or successors chapter. That's crazy that the Blood aren't as unified as the other legion chapter. I mean, You've obviously got the the Unforgiven, Papa Smurfs boys and Dorn's last wall Protocol. I just figured that the Blood was the same way. Crazy and weird if you ask this Chaplain!

[@TheGammabomb06]

Yeah its... a thing. Some succesor chapters dont like interacting with the BA at all, like the Angels Sanguine. Hell, even the Angels Vermillion actively stay away because "we are cursed and our blood is flawed blah, blah"

[@BloodyArchangelus]

wtf are you talking about, when Dante called- 95% of Ba in whole came to die.

[@TheGammabomb06]

@@BloodyArchangelus mate, hive fleet was threatening Baal itself. Of course they would agree to fight.

[@thelion2751]

@@BloodyArchangelus because a hive fleet was threatening Baal,the blood angels are not as united as any of the other founding chapters because of traditions and beliefs, Gabriel that hate Astaroth for having the blessings of the sanguinius to kill any death company marine,or angels Vermillion because of the curse

[@BloodyArchangelus]

@@TheGammabomb06 They can just refuse and dont care. Where is your point? Dante has more respect than any chapter master in Imperium. After DOB - blood angels is a legion. pls re-read the books.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Dante's position as the spiritual leader and defacto-lord of his Bloodline is not something he or any Chapter Master of the Blood Angels have always had. In older novels and short stories we see Dante's reputation slowly growing. The Ninth Gene-line is not like the First or even the Seventh. The First Founding Chapter commands not one marine of the successors. But as Dante is so personally charismatic and awesome, he gets this kind of respect. And now with the explicit backing af the Primarch Guilliman, Dante's personal aura of respect and command is near enough official. Now any of the Blood would be in a difficult position to outright refuse an order from him.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

Thing is though, the Blood Angels are not a 1st founding chapter. They were created during the 2nd founding, just like all the others, out of the original Blood Angels legion. It's only because they were allowed to keep the name and homeworld that they act like they are somehow true originals and entitled to respect, when in reality they are no different then the other 2nd founding chapters.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Nice pedantic argument. And technically correct, but not really. You and I both know, that the 9 First Founding Chapters are referred to as such both inside and outside the Lore by characters galore. The chapters who carry the original names are! the leading light for their Primarchs gene-line.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen You are technically correct, as that is what GW has called them ever since, but practically the first founding created legions, not chapters, and every 1st founding chapter was created during the 2nd founding and there is nothing more unique to the Blood Angels chapter then the Fleshtearers other then they got to keep the name and the homeworld. The chapter does not equal the legion in any way other then some convention that GW came up with.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 let me correct you there; They got the name, homeworld, legacy, Primarch and honorable status of being called First Founding. Seriously man just get over it. The Lore is crystal clear. From Guilliman to Dante, Azrael to the High Lords and everyone in between. The 9 First Founding Chapters are understood to be just that.... First Founding. Only the Black Templars have somewhat achieved equality with their Parent-chapter, and that was exclusively because they got the Legions legendary First Captain. The other surviving First Captains usually became Chapter Masters of the First Founding Chapters. If GW, everyone in-Lore and the very Codex-official names say x, then x is canon-truth. Simple as that.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen It may be x, but if its stupid it is still stupid. And it's stupid. By all logic they are 2nd founding. After all, Disney says so, everybody in lore says so , canon now says so, they all say that in Star Wars Rey is the Bestest Evah! And yet its stupid. Or are you going to accept it when GW says that from now on, thanks to Cawl fuckery women can now be Space Marines too? GW would then say it. The lore would then say it, codexes would be written that say it. Or are you going fuck this, this doesn't make any sense?

[@alexandergalica9383]

❤ Dante's Dogs the Flesh-Tearers

[@justsomedude2020]

I find it weird that the chapter masters call themselves cousins instead of bothers.

[@chrisrodgers855]

Brother chapter master not cousin. They’re both sons of sanguineous.

[@Tank1711]

however, they're not the same chapter therefore, cousins

[@johnn4134]

Would all the chapter masters of the blood gathered together if Seth had called to them? For any reason? I don't think a lot of them would. I don't think they have the same level of respect. Sure some might but not nearly as many. That's the importance of the Blood Angels they can call all the sons together and they might be the only chapter that can and that in itself is enough of a reason to keep them around.

[@Allhailthesith]

Lmmfaooooooooooooooooooooooo! We are not the ultramarines 😂

[@TheDukeOfDallas]

The Chapters of The First Founding were the original Legions that the Emperor himself had put together with the intent of each of his Primarch sons leading the legion that used their personal gene-seed. You don't just disband a loyalist Chapter that the Emperor himself had a hand in creating. Without the Blood Angels creation the Flesh Tearers wouldn't even be a thing. Respect your Elders, Boi...

[@marthlink5015]

Seth as cool and badass he is, is being somewhat egotistical and vain for no real reason here. Not only is Dante defending the homeworld of their founding Primarch which would be an insult let alone who knows what warp fuckery would happen IF Baal did fall. But Dante is one of the eldest and most trustworthy Astartes left. Im sure Seth has seen good men die, and of course it annoys him but he ultimately relents because the fact that those other men... are NOT dante. Dante's age alone proves how ridiculously strong he is since he's resisted not only the thirst and has been starved for decades probably centuries but has also avoided the black wake and if im correct literally... does not sleep cause he's so worried he might just go crazy. He has been single handedly saved twice by the sanguinor and got rid of a fake sangu that would've turned the Blood angels into a chaos legion. Im not a huge fan of the overhwhelming wooing most fans have for Dante~ but when even Roboute is like he trusts him like a brother no probably more than some brothers *cough* Horus and traitor legions. That says alot

[@robertflynn4215]

No dante was not wrong of asking for help of rebuilding the numbers of the blood angels. Like if the first founding is asking for help, then is up to the successors chapters to answer the call . I'm not blood angels fan but I understand dante cry for help from the successors chapters. Imagine if the blood angels chapter was disbanded, not only that would very grim dark time in the Imperium's history but as bring shame and dishonor to the Legacy and lineage of sanguinius and the emperor of mankind. Gabriel Seth you should never ever ask or thought that damned question. 😠❤❣

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

Casting Gabriel Seth - Jason Statham? If not, who?

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

Tom Hardy, Mark Strong, Vin Diesel, The Rock,

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

@@jasonpatrignani4717 tbh Hardy would be best bet to portray intense wrath.

[@Dirty_Wizard]

Jason Statham is the double of Seth to be honest

[@daveharrison61]

@@Dirty_Wizard doesn't have the charisma. Tbh I didn't think he has the charisma to play an accountant on a wet Wednesday afternoon

[@Dirty_Wizard]

@@daveharrison61 🤣🤣🤣🤣 He can’t act your not wrong but can’t deny he is a ringer

[@Doomseer]

I don't know how you could dislike Dante, he's like the nicest guy in the entire the galaxy besides Vulkan of course LOLXD!!.. You'd really have to go out of your way to find reasons to dislike him 😂

[@kayvaanmcsharrowkyn6901]

OF COURSE DANTE HAS A MEAN POKER FACE.... HIS HELMET IS A DEATH MASK 🎭!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@grtdrmmrs]

lol the arrogance of Dante here is astounding lol. To be honest they forget that these other chapters came from the first legions when they were forcibly split. Considering though i think the flesh tearers are more interesting then the blood angels may make me alittle biased lol

[@Turokblade1]

Yo black templars won that vote wolf xD Dante got to many intangible buffs heres how i see it and really just how it is you being shocked that the BA's had so many votes is a shock to me dante technically has the fleets and resources if half the entire empire much reduced and practicaly impossible to assemble but he 'COULD' marshal half the fucking imperium abd then theres robot girlyman twiddling dantes short and curlys while whispeing in his ear about how awesome he is run that poll and vote before the rift split and guilliman came back and as much as I like them the BA''S would have nothave made the semis

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are no first founding chapters. The Blood Angels are a 2nd founding chapter created out of the original Blood Angels legion, just like all the other 2nd founding chapters. They were just the one chapter that was allowed to keep the name. Which IMHO was a big mistake, creating all sorts of prima donna behavior and entitlement, just because they were allowed to keep the name.

[@sirmurk5048]

Seth should understand that he is a Blood Angel. Regardless of his chapter name, he wouldn’t be in a successor chapter if the codex astartes wasn’t around. He should be proud to be a cousin chapter and understand that keeping the Founding chapter strong isn’t about who has what numbers. Dante is right but he doesn’t use the correct argument.

[@jcp3666]

Seth is out of line. Dante has been in more battles than GS been alive.

[@o.w.n.1327]

I feel like first founding legions and now chapters have this kind of pompous? Idk what's the right word for it attitude Like oh you have to give us these and respect us because we carry the name of our primarchs legion etc I understand Seth's opinion had it been a another chapter of the blood no one would had bat an eye on it but its the FIRST FOUNDING we gotta do everything they tell us I realised that in the wolves of raukos short story it's kind of the same oh you gotta be like us and understand how we think or you won't count as a son of Russ

[@setokaiba2505]

The narrator on audible for this book ruined it for me. Gabriel Seth sounded like a special needs ogryn. Sad

[@ADTRPG]

Those James Swallow novels are pure trash.

[@artistpoet5253]

Your pacing is a bit too slow for me. The content is retreaded lore. The delivery is about as dry as biscuits.

[@topgunskrill1392]

K don't like him go somewhere else

[@davisgarcia66]

@@topgunskrill1392 shall we initiate exterminatus?

[@Dirty_Wizard]

Haha dry as biscuits says you, I’ve just looked at your streams bud and I must say they are about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Practice what you preach aye lad.