Games that Push Hardware Limits - Game Sack

Episode 113 - There are games that do more than you'd think possible on the consoles they run on. These are some of those games. Which games do you think push consoles or handhelds to their limits?
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[@GamingHistorian]

My pick is Hard Drivin' on the Genesis! That REALLY pushed the hardware...probably a bit too much.

[@GameSack]

That game is a guilty please of mine.

[@Ironminer985Gamingschannel]

Game Sack Doom for SNES pushed the console to the limits.

[@GaeBowz]

Game Sack This is probably just me, but when I bought mega man 6 on the eshop, I thought it was for SNES! That's my pick.

[@omegarugal9283]

Freddy Fazbear DOOM was run entirely by the SFX chip inside the cartdridge, the Snes was merely an IO accessory, displaying the image and sending the joypad data to the SFX chip..

[@Riftedx]

***** get it a bit too much lel

[@mylifeingaming]

I recently played Return of the Joker for the first time myself was really impressed. I did get a kick out the fact that Batman just uses guns all the time. But Sunsoft never really cared about Batman's "no killing" side with the way he just tosses the Joker off the cathedral in the first game.

[@RAPTRx-xm7zb]

To be fair, Batman’s pretty much that way in the Keaton movies. I mean, in Returns he sets fire to and blows up minions.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Was trying to think of a few random titles that seemingly pushed the respective system it was on to it's absolute limits, let's see..... Half Life 2 (XBOX) Conker's Bad Fur Day (N64) Shenmue (Dreamcast) Yoshi's Island (SNES) Metal Gear Solid (PS1) Mr. Gimmick (NES) Perfect Dark (N64) F-Zero GX (Gamecube) Tekken 3 (PS1) Soul Calibur (Dreamcast)

[@Lavagemstomacal]

And panzer dragoon saga for the saturn.

[@cloudtx]

Tekken 3 is a good example, it looks gorgeous even today. I think another good example for the PS1 is Final Fantasy VIII, IMO it still looks amazing.

[@Melancolombia]

Don't forget Ninja Gaiden Black for the xbox. Looks freaking gorgeous.

[@ironwolf113]

Add to that RE4 for the Gamecube, it was still the best looking version up until the Wii version and the HD Rereleases, I don't know if Wave Race 64 would count but it is on record that, that game used 90% of the N64s power and it was a launch title. Moreover Wave Race 64 keeps a steady frame rate, its not 60 but i don't remember much slowdown on it. Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay and Doom 3 for the original Xbox, Also I am not sure about it from a technical stand point but Silent Hill 3 for the PS2 looked great with all of its lighting, textures, and the in engine cut scenes looking really good.

[@ironwolf113]

Melancolombia Problem with Black is that it was a re-release of Ninja Gaiden for that same system. Was there any other improvements to the graphics in the Black version? I thought it was just made to a bit easier and include more content.

[@gryphman]

There's actually a reason they skipped SFA on the SNES. SFA was essentially an unfinished game that was released due to deadlines. SFA2 isn't so much a sequel, but a replacement for SFA.

[@Pegasus2227]

Hmm, that is rather interesting. I now find myself wondering what the first Alpha game would've looked and played like on a SNES. Hmmm, we can only wonder......

[@sparcx86channel42]

nah, on the arcade the game was finished don't say bullshit

[@sonicmario64]

What I'd like to know is why Dave said Chun Li was playable with a code, since she was actually playable from the start, after all.

[@gryphman]

@@sonicmario64 There was a code to play classic Chun Li.

[@sonicmario64]

@@gryphman No, it's actually for playing as Chun Li in her "Street Fighter II" outfit.

[@kronos893]

Viewer checking in from Japan here! I love your work... and it has inspired me to do my own videos, touring obscure Japanese arcades. Keep fighting the good fight!

[@Pesthuf]

I think it's unfair to include games with custom chips. That's not pushing the hardware limits, that's cheating.

[@GameSack]

That rules out about 90% of the NES library.

[@BCProgramming]

ryzmaker11 You are left with only games that are a megabit or less. Mappers are a custom chip, and any game larger than a megabit requires one; Basically you are left with the very early released titles such as Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr, Bubble Bobble, Mario Bros., Super Mario Brothers, etc. Even the original Zelda uses an MMC1 chip; Super Mario Brothers 2 and 3 use an MMC3 chip, etc. Any game that has save capability also uses a custom chip. Every Megaman NES title uses a add-on chip. It is worth noting that add-on chips do not really escape the limits of the console- the console is still responsible for all the graphics and sound, add-on chips are used to circumvent limitations of the console such as ROM address size, RAM size, as well as processor speed, but it is still limited by things such as PPU speed.

[@BCProgramming]

ryzmaker11 Yes the NES has those as well. But it would be disingenous, I think, to arbitrarily only include custom chips that do things like that, but not the Mapper chips, since those are also added hardware. It is also worth note that the hardware for the NES and SNES was effectively designed for the use of those enhancement chips; in the SNES case the original hardware has two extra tabs for the cartridge slot that are exclusively for use with additional processors on the chip. IMO because of that I don't think add-on chips really "circumvent" the hardware limits because the hardware was in fact designed for the ability for that expansion. Essentially add-on chips on SNES and NES cartridges are like video or sound cards in a PC; when we say we are pushing out PC nobody jumps out and says "well not really because you have a GTX 770! that's not your PC hardware!" if that makes any sense. After all, when we talk of "pushing the hardware"- the cartridge is hardware, too!

[@GameSack]

ryzmaker11 Yep. We include those as well. Almost included Sapphire.

[@mattbeaudoin1]

in the cartridge era, the 'software' could also be considered hardware

[@draggonhedd]

See, you guys think gt2 is boring, but i fucking LOVE in depth sim racing games. I lost so many hours to that game as a kid.

[@tetrisdave]

I respect that. I can understand that people, like you, can totally get into a sim game like that and work it until you get the car(s) that you really want. I just want to race awesome cars and do impossible powerslides right out of the gate.

[@draggonhedd]

Burnout is your game, dude. So much fun.

[@tetrisdave]

Yes it is. I like me some Burnout. We need a new one. Criterion is really dropping the ball.

[@draggonhedd]

I thought Criterion went bankrupt

[@michaelsmith8107]

draggonhedd Nah they've been too busy with NFS

[@Snotnarok]

Ranger-X on the Genesis, a game no one seems to know about, yet has a lot going for it. Great animation, crazy music, lots going on and keeps the framerate high. Phantasy Star IV, not many RPGs had animated enemies but PSIV managed it with every one of them, idle or attacking, along with characters that weren't shrunk to chibi sizes. Also, story told in a comic-book cutscene kinda way. Flashback for the Genesis, it manages to have 'video cutscenes' and really well done rotoscope animation in game with a variety of challenges and really fun platforming. The Genesis, DOS, Amiga versions are the only versions worth playing as they keep the stylized cutscenes vs prerendered ugly early 3D and the SNES version is bogged down by slowdown, censored and is missing music Sonic 3 & Knuckles split into 2 carts because of size (time limitations too) but it expanded it's abilites outside locking with the game it was designed to link with, adding Knuckles into Sonic 2 as well. Not to mention adding in new levels, a character, more special and bonus stages, unique levels or bosses for characters, just a really amazingly done game that told a simple story, well with no text or aggravating voices like many of the 3D ones. God of War, crazy impressive on every platform the games have been on, with wild effects, lots of enemies yet the game stays smooth and pours on the difficulty. 3 was particularly mind blowing with the graphical detail enhancing the art style...also it was using a special bit of software that managed to fake antialiasing making it look more smooth. Burnout 2- on. So fast...smooth frame rate and so much crap exploding at once.

[@Snotnarok]

***** I'm well aware, I know a few people on facebook that decided to put up their top 10 games and they were either made by nintendo or exclusively on a nintendo console. I don't put much thought into who made a game personally because, who cares as long as it's good but the bias is really thick and wide spread.

[@Prizrak-hv6qk]

From what I recall, Ranger-X devs actually managed to somehow get the Genesis outputting 128 colors on-screen at the same time. That's impressive enough in itself!

[@charliekahn4205]

Burnout Paradise on the PS3 and (I think) XBox 360: persistent open world, high-quality models, lots of high-quality music, great crash physics, and I haven't really seen stuttering. The only time it loads in-world is to start a race. Often, I'll crash into a wall countless times just to see how crazy I can make the crash. And they also added a party mode with custom maps and challenges that take advantage of the complex physics.

[@Deltron37]

Ranger X was one of my fave Genesis game ever! But it didn't age well. The controls mainly.. ...ugh.

[@Disthron]

I always find this kind of stuff fascinating.

[@Watcher3223]

18:39 "So, have you ever heard voice quality this good or better in an 8-bit game?" Yes. "Big Bird's Hide and Speak" Big Bird's Hide and Speak (NES) gameplay

[@noaht2005]

It’s always the educational baby games

[@Watcher3223]

@@noaht2005 Unfortunately.

[@connorthompson5075]

You know, you guys have come a long way. You don't sound so stiff, like there's more "life" to your spoken dialogue. And that last bit was fantastic! "THAT'S SONIC THE HEDGEHOG!"

[@GameSack]

Thanks!

[@metfan4l]

What's up with the Gran Turismo hate, those games were amazing.

[@Kill_Binho]

They don't like 'cause it takes time to acomplish and unlock stuff. In other words, they're lazy as fuck.

[@GameSack]

Tatsumakiloko ***** Ah yes, people who can't stand opinions that differ from their own and resort to insults. This is what people mean when they rag on the quality of KZbin comments. It's a videogame, guys. We didn't punch your mom or anything.

[@Kill_Binho]

Game Sack haha sorry dudes, but i didn't call you names, just said that you're lazy. Well, it is a name but...

[@AiOinc1]

They hate it because it's not made / on Nintendo or Sega. It's on the Playstation and they know the PS2 was the bestselling console ever put into production.

[@prossnip42]

they just dont like simulators. and i agree with them. if i wanna feel like im driving a car i go drive a fucking car

[@TheWilliamHenley]

Gran Turismo 4 for the PS2 - one of only 4 games on the PS2 that supported 1080. Really impressive given that the the system was not designed to do HD, and I think there is actually a button combination, followed by a system reset, that you have to do to get the game into HD, but once you do, this game is beautiful. If I remember right, this game was released in response to XBox releasing a few 720p titles, and saying that Playstaion could not do HD, so this was Sony's solution, to go 1080.

[@damagedgears]

Saturn Version is the Best Version! And... to nitpick: X-ISM: Based on Super Street Fighter Turbo Z-ISM: Street Fighter Zero/Alpha 1 (No Custom Combos) V-ISM: Street Fighter Zero/Alpha 2's Custom Combo option. Sorry, need to nitpick urge is high.

[@GameSack]

Many people had this same nitpick. When I looked them up they were listed as X, A and V isms and I was seeing X, Z and V in the game. This helped add to the confusion. Why they changed the name from Zero to Alpha I'll never know but Capcom works in mysterious ways. I wish they would have just called them Zero 1, Zero 2 or SSFT. That would have been clear as day. But as I said I'm not the world's most hardcore Street Fighter player. :)

[@WordsmithVG]

Game Sack And as far as I know, there's no Evil Guile. But good video nonetheless!

[@GameSack]

EchoesWordsmith You're right. I read it on some site somewhere but they had it listed as "In the Saturn version Evil Ryu and Guile are immediately selectable." My mistake. Though I am pretty sure Guile is at least somewhat evil. I bet he leaves lousy tips at the very least.

[@damagedgears]

You both know that Guile's a lousy tipper. So is the other guy, the Blonde Guy with Red T-Shirt!

[@Hornet85]

Another great episode. I've spend many hours playing Gran Turismo 2 and it is certainly one of my most memorable games from the PS1 era. I guess I really love the concept of slowly building our "racing career" by earning licenses and money to progress though faster racing.

[@ProfessorFessor]

Something I find interesting is all these games are for older systems. I can really wrap my mind around what these older systems can do but with newer ones there is a lot of grey area. Shadow of the Colossus had a ton of slowdown problems, but Recca looks like it has flickering problems just as bad as Shadow's slowdown, yet Recca is more impressive to me just because I think know what the NES can do and it proves me wrong. I don't have such a good idea of what the PS2/3/4 can do so when something does push it, it sorta falls flat and the negatives are more noticeable. Also I miss the custom chip era of gaming. It wouldn't be practical to make cartridges with them now, but damn it was neat to pop in a new game and feel like you were playing a new video game system because in a way you sorta were.

[@CrazeeAdam]

IMO, PS2 hit it's graphical limits with Metal Gear Solid 3, that's just me though.

[@izicial7469]

The flickering is probably because the game is in 60 fps but the video is 30 fps so it is likely missing half the frames.

[@GameSack]

Izzy Games I try not to let temporal artifacts creep into the show. For example if a character gets hit and takes damage he'll flicker in the game. On many other gaming channels the character will just disappear altogether while it is flickering. On Game Sack we make the character transparent during this period so you can still see him. If the information is there, you'll see it. If it isn't you won't. Recca flickers because the NES is not really a champion at sprite handling. The flickering isn't minimal enough to simply be changed to transparent.

[@izicial7469]

Game Sack Ahh ok. That's a neat way to handle that problem.

[@theshak06]

Fair play to you guys, I find you are one of the few original youtube channels that is still going strong that holds the values of what youtube used to be. Never stop what you do as you clearly have lots of fun doing it.

[@tetrisdave]

Thank You!!

[@FallicIdol]

Alien Soldier is now on Steam. Bought it thanks to your recommendation. Pretty cool.

[@retrosoul8770]

One of the best games from the 16-bit era and well, ever. Sadly not brought to mainsteam attention due to Sega's dumb decision to not provide a physical release or market the game.

[@EpsiIonEagle]

One of my favorite games ever

[@ivanrussian275]

Now is time to the 68000 heart on fire!

[@weezerbluealbum5984]

Did you know the "68000 heart" refers to the Motorola 68000 processor?

[@ivanrussian275]

jack burzynski Lol.Realy???o_O.I thinked before what 68k is rf unit or ac adaptor for MEGADRIVE...thanks mate what ur open my eyes for this secret)))

[@ALTDOK667]

I heard 68,000 hard-on fire. Gross.

[@charliekahn4205]

So can you do this on a Macintosh? X68000? These sure can the 68000 heart on fire, but I don't know if anyone's tried it yet.

[@charliekahn4205]

@@ivanrussian275 If the game set the power supply on fire, you'd have more trouble than just the learning curve of Alien Soldier.

[@MrMoneyclips]

Resident Evil2 on N64. One of the only N64 games to have FMV

[@NS55gaming]

You know what's one game that also pushed hardware limits? OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast for the PlayStation 2 Because of that, the game has beautiful graphics, nicely detailed Ferrari cars, 60 framerates, progressive scan, widescreen support, and you wanna know how much space it takes to fit on a memory card? *1390 KB* and that’s pretty much a lot saying for a port that pushes to its hardware limits.

[@AxelStone]

As for the Genesis, soundwise, Streets of Rage 2 is great. But everyone knows that game.

[@NigzBlackman]

Streets of rage 2 is probably one of the best games of the Era lol

[@benzaieTV]

Rendering Ranger R2 for the SNES looks like a Saturn game !

[@IgorKolosha]

There's nothing more pathetic than someone who feels the need to put others down in order to feel better about themselves. Ignore the trolls guys, you have one of the best gaming shows in KZbin.

[@anjin_x]

Daytona USA was the best arcade racer! bought a Saturn just to play it back in the day.

[@OrangeHarrisonRB3]

The NES supported playback of WAV sound files through a dedicated channel on its own hardware, but WAV files took up a ludicrous amount of space on an NES cart, so they are usually really compressed and low-quality. For the voice samples in that Count game to be so high-quality, every other aspect of the game must have been highly optimized to allow so much headroom. (Probably also helps that they pause the game every time a voice clip is played, if you pay attention). The only NES game I can think of that comes close to using WAV sampling that well is Mr. Gimmick, which samples every note on a bass guitar, and plays them back in sequence for SNES-quality music.

[@renakunisaki]

Orange Harrison in fact, every Nintendo console before the DS and GameCube had an analog audio input from the cartridge, so games could include their own sound chip. Unfortunately this was almost never used, except on the Famicom, and then some genius left that feature out of the NES. (It has an input from the expansion connector but not the cartridge. You can wire them together to get the extra sounds from Famicom games.) Bonus fact: the NES and SNES graphic chips also had an extra input that could have been used by custom chips to provide another background layer. But they didn't connect those inputs at all, just hardwired them to black. Can only imagine what could have been done if games had been able to use that feature...

[@charliekahn4205]

@@renakunisaki Character rotation, but only if the SNES supported layering the background in the foreground.

[@AlyxxTheRat]

Zero Tolerance on Mega Drive really pushes what the Mega Drive is capable of. I mean it's a first person shooter on the Mega Drive. While it is really slow and sluggish to play, it is very impressive what they managed to do with limited hardware of the time and it even has support for multiplayer via link cable. Star Fox on SNES is also incredibly impressive for a SNES game considering the SNES was never designed to do 3D polygon games. Also helps the game is just fun to play too.

[@seanclements970]

Yup. I ordered that link cable. And never used it.

[@tetrisdave]

Yeah I was thinking about StarFox for this episode. A really fun game. I was also thinking about Stunt Race FX but that game wasn't as fun as Starfox.

[@AlyxxTheRat]

Yeah, I think you missed out on an opportunity there, but then again I also think it would've been a very obvious choice and I like that you highlighted some less talked about games.

[@ryzmaker11]

"Star Fox on SNES is also incredibly impressive for a SNES game considering the SNES was never designed to do 3D polygon games." Except that Star Fox runs on SNES only thanx to the additional Super FX chip in the cartridge and even so, it runs at low frame rate and in a tiny window*. Still a fun game with great soundtrack. *(and Stunt Race FX runs at an even lower frame rate and in an even tinier window!)

[@AlyxxTheRat]

Of course.

[@joelmonteiro1419]

You're mising quite a few: - Conker's Bad Fur Day is a technological marvel on the Nintendo 64; - The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay looks better on the original Xbox than several early PS3 titles; - Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube was jaw dropping;

[@mandyrobbins1041]

For anyone interested in Shantae after this video: One affordable option: put $10 on your 2DS/3DS/3DS XL/"New" 3DS XL eShop account and go to virtual console, and you can get the whole game, playing as if on GBC hardware, for half of that. There are also 2 sequels available if you like what you played in the first one!

[@tetrisdave]

Good advice!

[@mandyrobbins1041]

Not a problem! I haven't been able to finish Shantae, but it is amazing fun!

[@napoleonfeanor]

Meanwhile in 2024: I guess emulation is the only way

[@PeteSkerritt]

Any episode with Street Fighter Alpha/Zero games featured in it is a total winner IMO. I've seen a lot of the SNES version of Alpha 2 in my travels but never owned it. The Saturn version of Zero 3 is really impressive; that smooth animation really shows. (Although, to be honest, the PlayStation port of Alpha 3 did hold its own considering how rough the earlier Alpha games ran on the platform). I really liked this episode because of its nature. Seeing games that really push hardware like this impresses me AND I learn about some games I never knew of before. To be honest, that's one of the major reasons that I've become a fan-- despite all of my years of playing games and all of the knowledge I've picked up over those years, your videos always introduce me to more stuff. I'm very grateful for that. Thanks for another great video, guys!

[@張富美-i2j]

This game! I ?^_^

[@張富美-i2j]

我也喜歡！

[@張富美-i2j]

So! You can give for people so much. Good!

[@heilong79]

The PSone port still dropped animation and I think it had less characters. Dreamcast was the best version.

[@jihoon4242]

Not sure if it was covered in the 2nd video; but check out the Sega Master System version of Lemmings. Although not immediately obvious, behind-the-scenes it's doing some MAJOR pushing of that system to the limits. (Especially, compare it to how the NES version of the same game plays...)

[@madfinntech]

Best episode to date? I love this kind of thing, to see what systems were capable of. Gran Turismo 2 must be my most favourite game ever, definitely the best in the series. Japanese version has the superior music and that's what I'm playing.

[@tetrisdave]

It's funny because as I was playing GT2 I was thinking of how out dated the music was for that game. What is the music in the Japanese version like?

[@madfinntech]

Well it's more like Gran Turismo music, soft jazz tunes. Even the main intro is completely different. Japanese game is rocking amazing Moon Over the Castle. Same thing with the first game. To put it short, more Japanese.

[@jacobdagun3670]

First thing I thought at 24:42 was "Okay, so another SNES game then?" But...this is NES? Geez. I'll tell you one thing, Sunsoft really knew how to use the software to the best of it's ability. Don't believe me? Try out "Journey to Sillus" for the NES.

[@samfrito]

Great subject! I am still pretty impressed by the Sega Cd Batman Returns driving levels. The Batskiboat parts almost scale blades right into your face!

[@StarPunchproduction]

Trolls....why is it that the cancer of the internet hate yet continue to watch vids just to hate? Isn't that doing the opposite of what their intended "goal is? Seriously if you come here to hate the vids....then you're just making an ass of yourself and giving said video more views. Also...Great episode guys.

[@ravagingwolverine]

I'm surprised the PC Engine wasn't featured at all in this episode. They squeezed a lot out of that system. There's always next time. Street Fighter Alpha for SNES sounds pretty bad, at least in the video. I'm not a fan of SNES sound in the first place and it sounds terribly muffled and distant here. Reminds me of Super Street Fighter 2 for Genesis and how they made the music worse and made all the sound samples extra scratchy. SFA 3 looks really good, especially right after seeing the SNES version. Fun episode as always. Thank you.

[@Tempora158]

ravagingwolverine The SNES could only load 64KB worth of sound and program data at once into the Audio Processing Unit and SFA2 uses far more sound samples than SSF2. This is why the sound quality is so low (and a larger cart size would not have solved that problem) and the game has to stop to load and unload the announcer's voice samples. The Genesis SSF2 music sounds bad because Capcom took the entirely sample-based QSound music of the CPS2 arcade game and tried to recreate it with only FM synthesis. The sound samples are scratchy because the Genesis only has one PCM channel and Capcom's custom sound driver that mixes multiple sound samples into one channel is CPU intensive, thus the sample quality had to lowered. The alternative would have been to keep the quality high and play back one sample at a time, but that will cause every sound to interrupt each other, so every match will sound like, "Sonic Bo- Shouryu- *crunch*".

[@tetrisdave]

What games from the PC Engine/Turbo would you include in this video? I love the system but I'm not as familiar with it as with other systems.

[@ravagingwolverine]

David White I just got into PC Engine this year actually, so I'm not as familiar with it as some others. The most obvious pick for me for a game pushing the limits of the system would be Street Fighter 2: Champion Edition. The PC Engine port stands up well against the SNES and Genesis versions with only minor compromises, the biggest of which I'd say is the music. It's even the only HuCard above eight megabits(20 MEGA POWER!). In addition to that, from what I've seen and played, shooters like Syd Mead's Terraforming, Gate of Thunder and Lords/Winds of Thunder look like they're pushing the system with lots of objects on screen, gigantic bosses and plenty of multi-scrolling backgrounds which the system was not designed to do easily.

[@ravagingwolverine]

Tempora158 Thanks for that informative and enjoyable reply. I like learning about the technical aspects and I was planning to read up soon on the SNES sound limitations as I heard about it before. Looking back, I believe it was too soon for a mainstream home system with completely sample-based sound as the SNES sound hasn't aged that well to me. The system did sell very well, though, so they did something right with it for the time. I've read up a lot on the Genesis this year and I'm aware of the aspects you brought up. Just a few days ago, I sent an email to my friend in which I talked about how I think it was a mistake to try to recreate the CPS2's sample-based Q-sound music with the Genesis FM chip. I would have preferred it if they reused the music from the previous game, or used that as a base for a slight updating. I recall the sample quality seeming much worse in SSF2 than in SCE which I thought was fine. Having played the PC Engine version of SF2 which does cut samples off like you described, I can say that it wouldn't have bothered me, but I can't speak for everyone.

[@Tempora158]

ravagingwolverine Nintendo couldn't predict the ton of voice samples that post-Street Fighter II games were going to use in the '90s, because they could have pulled a Microsoft and opted for more RAM for the audio unit. Don't know why they couldn't have added a custom audio chip right on the cart itself to extend the audio specs like what was done for Famicom games. If you want to hear a FM synth based version of SSF2's soundtrack done with a better synthesizer, look up the Sharp X68000 version of it on KZbin or play it yourself on the XM6 emulator. As for the samples in Genesis SSF2, I think the higher quality source and the preservation of the reverb had a negative impact when Capcom sampled it down to SCE quality. The drop off in quality was just too steep to not be noticeable. The samples in the the arcade Street Fighter II' CE weren't high quality to begin with, so the downgraded quality wasn't as drastic when they were sampled down for the Genesis.

[@solofalcon]

Went and got the Street Fighter Zero 3 soundtrack after watching this video, its so good!

[@josh87saa]

I can't believe you guys used an MR2 for the GT2 segment. I love MR2's and no one ever shows them in their games replays or videos. I have a 91 MR2 so I'm biased, but it's awesome to see one of any year on a vid...making me feel nostalgic guys!! great vid.

[@tetrisdave]

Thanks! I've always liked the MR2 but never had one. It's such a cool design. Is the engine in the back?

[@josh87saa]

I'd say the engine's in the back, but technically because it's right behind your head and before the trunk, it's called mid-engine lol. I like that you used the first model, bad ass little car, but since I own the second model, like I said I'm biased. Come the beginning of next year I'm getting the 3rd gen engine put in so it'll be the equivalent of the GT-S model in the game, so I'll no longer have to pretend that I have the fast model haha. Then when I come out to live in Colorado I'll basically have a new car. But yeah, long story short, engine's in the back.

[@ShogunGin0]

Here's a some that I know. NES/Famicom: Kirby's Adventure, Battletoads, Crisis Force, Gradius 2, Journey to Silius SNES: Starfox, Yoshi's Island, Dragon Quest 6, Chrono Trigger, Killer Instinct, Donkey Kong Country 3, Rendering Ranger R2 N64: Perfect Dark, Zelda: Majora's Mask, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Star Wars Ep.1 Battle for Naboo, DK64, Resident Evil 2. Gamecube: Star Wars Rogue Squadron 3: Rebel Strike (highest polygon count of any 6th gen console, so I hear), Zelda: Twilight Princess, F-Zero GX Wii: Xenoblade Chronicles, Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Last Story, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Smash Bros. Brawl. PS2: Shadow of the Colossus, Soul Calibur 3, Rogue Galaxy Xbox: Otogi 1 and 2 Xbox360: Lost Odyssey Game Boy: Race Drivin' Game Boy Color: Dragon's Lair (seriously impressive) Hope this helps for a future episode.

[@MikeRetroModz]

How can someone Not like Gran turismo 2, wow :o

[@tetrisdave]

It's possible. I guess I'm just a simple guy who likes to race arcade style.

[@TheMethodicalSon]

***** The Corvette was a witch to drive in that game lol! Many dominated races lost on the last lap b/c of that. The arcade disc to me was basically multiplayer and allowed me and my brother to race our single player cars nothing arcade about it at all so spot on there.

[@Blackpapalink]

TheMethodicalSon You spin right round, baby right round...

[@retrofox3084]

I play games to do stuff I couldnt do in real life. In real life with enough money its possible for me to drive all them cars. I would rather play some thing like NFS underground because its game play is unrealistically fast, stupid and OTT. This is why I personally find GT2 dull. Im from the 16 bit era of bright pixels and imagination...so GT2 is not my scene. Amazing looking & perfectly made, but not my cup of tea

[@TheMethodicalSon]

RetroFox I totally get that man and respect your opinion well said.

[@alaskaslem]

these guys are the future of tv. long format, informative and straight forward. love it

[@pepperbytez8128]

Shantae still feels like a modern day indie project you would find on steam. Even the art style feels like it was made today.

[@NightbaneGames]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Wii would count because it's a dual-layer disc on the Wii and it has so many gigabytes (7.23, exactly) that the Wii has trouble reading it a lot of times.

[@eratic0311]

I Have Gran Turismo 2 And This Game I Super Cool. Also I Got It For Like 5$

[@Slamy4096]

I've found this video by accident and was really surprised finding Mega Turrican in it O.o. What a great game. Sure Turrican has it's flaws.... but I really wish another game would be released today.

[@joshdieckmann595]

"Every bit as slow as the Super Nintendo, if not slower!" Love it guys! Next time you do a "push the limits" episode, consider Lightening Force for the Genesis. One of my all time favorite games, one of the best, if not THE best shoot-em-up on the Genesis, and Technosoft really pushed the Genesis hardware pretty hard. Yes, it has slowdown in spots, but for 1992 it was super impressive.

[@Thameness]

Just finished Shantae, on the 3DS' Virtual Console and... It's jawdropping, really! The colors are even more amazing on the small screen than on this video. And the animation is amazing! Also, the shadow effect, from going to darker places to lighter ones should have been mentioned. Well, that game is just TOO well done! Greate video, but... What about Batman & Robin on the Genesis?

[@ZanaGBYT]

Sega Japanese Megadrive Commercial Apparently Treasure referenced this Commertial with the blurb on Alien Soldier ( VISUALSHOCK SPEEDSHOCK SOUNDSHOCK. NOW IS TIME FOR THE 68000 HEART ON FIRE )

[@StuartMarchetti]

Amazing NES choices, and it's crazy that the Genesis did what it did when it came out two years before the SNES. The Devs were so talented on both fronts!

[@SatoshiMatrix1]

So which one of you guys was smart enough to buy Shantae? I'm guessing it was Dave. You guys reach a much wider audience than I do with my measly 4k subscribers, so I'm really glad to see you spreading the love of Shantae around. My personal history with Shantae stems from my love of the GameBoy Color (which in turn is based on my love of the NES/Famicom), and my total admiration with WayForward for their early licensed work on the GBC that totally set the ground work for Shantae, like Sabrina the animated series and Xtreme Sports. So even before Shantae came out I was already in the know since I was subscribed to Wayforward's newsletters. They talked about how it was going to be the most amazing look game on the GBC, and how its gameplay was going to be like Metroid meets Zelda, and I was hooked even before I saw the box, as if my 13 year old self needed another reason to buy it other than the fact that it had a girl in a red bikini on the cover. I remember buying it, and liking it more than pretty much anything for quite some time. It was better than anything on GBA, better than consoles, better than PC. Shantae was simply incredible. I was aware it was a limited release because of coming at the tail end of the GBC but it was still a title I recommended to my friends, one of whom also bought a copy when they still could be found on retail shelves. Shantae is boss. Also, don't worry about not being able to attack in animal forms. You'll eventually find items that let you do just that.

[@pinbac92]

I want to see someone make a port of the original Crash Bandicoot to the Super Nintendo.

[@westhammer]

Shadow of the Colossus and God of War 2 for the ps2.

[@tetrisdave]

Two very worthy titles. Both great games and I have lots of memories with them.

[@RECHOOSENONE]

David White metal gear solid 2 good grathics for 2001 year

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

RECHOOSENONE true, very good for a standard PS2 game. Although, Shenmue 2 was more impressive, because was developed for the Dreamcast (the game pushed more than 4-6 million polygons at 30 fps with many effects and hi-res textures at 480p, also this game is open world 3D, with some slowdowns to 20 - 21 fps)

[@blazedyasa]

Final fantasy 12 too

[@mattfahringer148]

@@retrosoul8770 shut it pit stain

[@musicpimp8556]

Game Sack, you guys are awesome! You're my favorite gaming-related channel, and your production is absolutely outstanding. Thanks!!!

[@LSSTmusic]

Man, I love this channel, but these guys' tastes are just so weird to me. Like: "I can't shoot up in this game, therefore it is bad." It's not enough to make me stop watching or anything, but I've noticed it in enough videos that it bothers me ahaha

[@GameSack]

You're extrapolating perceived opinions from our commentary. We never say a game is bad because we can't shoot up. We just wish we could shoot up. Shooting up is fun! Never have we said a game is bad because you can't shoot up. Dave loves Mega Man and I love Mega Man 2 for example. Can't even duck in those games!

[@LSSTmusic]

Game Sack yeah, that's fair. Soz lol

[@Jerkwad152]

Mega Turrican is one of the Genesis titles that crushed its SNES equivalent IMO.

[@23GreyFox]

Nice joke.

[@turricanrocks1552]

@@23GreyFox Uh, didn't he say that it's his opinion? After all, IMO stands for In My Opinion.

[@8-BitEric]

OMG NEW GAYME SAHK! IM IN LOVE! LOVE YOU GUISE! YOU ARE MY HERO! I WILL SEE YOU AT RETHROWPALOOZA! HUGZ AND KISSEZ

[@gtrzdaddy]

you guys mentioned Contra Hard Corps, but why wasn't it included? Is it gonna be in the part 2?

[@GameSack]

I think I should put it in part 2, yes. I'll have to brush up on my skills before then.

[@Nathriel]

Alien Soldier is my favorite 16-bit run and gun game and I'm so glad you covered it. When I started this video my first thought was, "Alien Soldier is going to be in this vid!" On long flights I play it on my Sega Nomad (recapped and modded it myself with new bright LCD screen) using an Everdrive and am ALWAYS shocked no one ever takes any interest. Like, seriously people I'm playing friggin' Alien Soldier... on a Sega Nomad... in 2020. The game aged well in my opinion.

[@RE-LOOIE]

SO SO good, you guys. Well done and entertaining as always.

[@tetrisdave]

Thank You!

[@TheAradar]

Try out Ridge Racer Type 4 on PS1, it looks a lot better than GT2, and it's more fun as well.

[@vistagunner]

RIIIIIIDGE RACER

[@drunkensailor112]

It doesn't look better than gt2

[@SpiralPegasus]

WARNING! -- WALL OF TEXT -- WARNING! -- WALL OF TEXT -- WARNING! -- WALL OF TEXT -- I usually like your stuff (if you read my comments you know I'm a long time follower) but this time around I _loved_ it. I think that these limit pushers are the kind of games that deserves every bit of attention they can get. You've been over a lot of my favorites in this video (basically everything minus Street Fighter). I always thought very highly of Light Crusader. The environments look great, the music is wonderful and the action-adventure-rpg-puzzle hybrid gameplay is excellent. Given it's (the lesser known) Treasure game, you know what to expect from the bosses. If you consider enhancement chips to be fair game, where is Virtua Racing for the Genesis? Thunder Force IV is definitely one that pushes the envelope. So do both Vectorman and Ranger X. If you liked OutRun as much as I did, _play OutRun 2_. It'll make your eyeballs jump out of their sockets. That has _got_ to be a limit pusher, too. P.S: Thanks for bringing to my attention all the little tricks that Mega Turrican does, Joe. And Dave, that review of Gran Turismo was amongst the funniest things you've ever come up with. It was hilarious! And so accurate!

[@tetrisdave]

Thanks! I love Outrun 2! Such a fun game I've spent many many many hours playing it. I hope SEGA and AM2 make more because I really need a new one.

[@jbmaru]

You can also add Flink :D

[@SpiralPegasus]

David White Oh by the way, RECCA and Alien Soldier were played using a flashcart, right?

[@OmniZeroFive]

Damn, that's the teeny-tiniest, itsy-bitsiest, teeny-weeniest wall of text ever. It's literally 40% white-space... Also, who doesn't like GT2? You people belong in a loony bin.

[@tetrisdave]

SpiralPegasus RECCA was with a NES Everdrive. I'm pretty sure Joe owns Alien Soldier.

[@bobbylips78]

Great ep. Some of my favorites here. Alien Soldier is a beast of a game and SFA2 is a truly stunning SNES fighter. It'd be nice to see games like Black and Demon Chaos on the ps2 in the future as they use very clever graphical 'cheats' to make them appear to go beyond the tech specs of the system. Seeing how everybody seems to be bitching about the enhancement chips, how about an ep dedicated to some of the various chips such as the Super FX 1&2 and the Sega Virtua Processor? We know how Joe likes to flex his tech muscles and it'd be a good way to shoot this damn albatross down! HAIL GAME SACK !!!

[@janmansde3dede]

@Game Sack Very cool video guys, as I rarely venture outside of old PC's these days I didn't knew most of this. I just can't believe that the Genesis can run Gradius 3 that slow and Redzone surely needs blast processing to make this walk animation so spastic! 2:09 *However*, should games that use a custom chip in the cartridge (such as Batman) really qualify ? It isn't really pushing the limitations in my eyes. I see it as like having a old, slow Pentium PO that runs quake 2 at 9 fps and then you add a 3d graphics card and now it plays at 60 fps, 'pushing the limits' in another way for sure. The limits are way higher now. Also, has Joe played the first two Turrican games ? (asking because Joe said that not aiming up hurts the series) In those games if you hold down the fire button (Amiga version at least) you will shoot a big continuous lazer and you can aim in 360 degrees ! But I suppose he haven't since one of the 'sackers' doesn't like the hard panned audio of Amiga's. Having one I say its really isn't a problem but if you space the speakers far apart then I suppose you have to get creative and split the L/R audio in two and use the remaining L/R for a speaker in the middle for a 2.1 speaker set up. I mean you'll do anything for the X68000! :) I'm starting to sound like a negative snot but I'm not, really like the show so please don't eat me GS fans.

[@retrobitpanda6914]

Just got into your videos, You guys make epic videos! Very entertaining!

[@tetrisdave]

Thank You!

[@iPlaySEGA]

Fun Episode but i can't believe you forgot Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn... It was the very first 'High Res.' Console game! Back then it was the BEST looking 3D videogame! BTW what about Shenmue on the Dreamcast? ;-)

[@ackmacy1898]

SEGA Mega Drive JP

[@ackmacy1898]

SEGA ' s Alien Soldier

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

Shenmue 2 was more impressive, also destroys 75% of the PS2 graphics.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

iPlaySEGA!! Virtua Fighter 2 is one of the Saturn 3D games impossible to do on the underpowered PS1 without so much sacrifices.

[@aaronrichardson9415]

saga is bad

[@TheWolfgangGrimmer]

Star Fox, Shadow of the Colossus, Final Fantasy XII

[@LycanWitch]

Strange that you mentioned it in the NES batman game, but imo the game Mr.Gimmick should have been there instead of Batman Return of the Joker.. now that game truly pushes the NES capabilities in all departments, great graphics, very pretty to look at and rich/colorful. then how the game seems to have a physics engine such as the way you can bounce around on your starshot and it being dependent on speed and how you throw it, the way Gimmick falls off curved edges, etc. Then there's how the enemies have advanced AI for the NES, how some dodge your attacks, bait you into vulnerable positions, and such. and Finally there's the awesome music, which uses Sunsoft extra music chip, is far superior that any previous Sunsoft title, and probably the greatest 8-bit music ever created.

[@GreenTengu97]

I checked out Shantae and the other games in that series after seeing this video. Absolutely amazing Metroidvania platformers. Personally, I found Pirate's Curse to be my favorite (Probably up there with Aria of Sorrow as one of my favorite Metroidvanias in general.), but all three are beautifully crafted games in their own right. (Just, um, don't make the same mistake I did in Risky's Revenge and not realize that the Battle Tower had those time extensions you could collect in the pots between rooms. Took me ages to realize those were there, and I assumed I just wasn't moving fast enough or that the place was really badly designed. Got me kinda mad at the game for a rather silly reason for a little while.)

[@Goldenkitten1]

I know this channel is devoted more toward older systems but if we're just gonna talk games in general then holy shit some of the stuff that came out toward the end of the PS2's lifespan was bloody fantastic. Of course there's a lot of debate as to when that consoles time really ended but regardless for the sake of argument let's say 2006 which was when we saw a definite decrease in released titles until they just stopped completely around 2007, even though we were well into the next generation by then. Regardless it was clear with some of the big titles that hit towards the very end that certain developers had gotten incredibly comfortable with that system. I'm not going to try and list them all as I'm sure I'll forget one, or bring something up that'll get me into a flame war I really don't wanna be in. But the short version is there were a handful of games toward the end of the PS2's lifespan that looked more like early PS3 games, it was amazing (and I'm no fanboy, I have all the consoles from that generation, but it's definitely the console devs seemed to learn to push the furthest from that gen).

[@dexthegamer3234]

It ended in 2014 with FIFA 14 as the last game

[@Goldenkitten1]

Dwight southwell Usually the "end" of a consoles "lifespan" isn't marked by the last game that was made for it, but by when the vast majority of developers made a departure from it. For example there are still obscure companies making games for the SNES and Genesis occasionally. Doesn't mean either of those consoles is still "alive".

[@dexthegamer3234]

PS2 had more graphics than Dreamcast. Considering it can run FIFA 14 like an early ps3 game

[@cacomeat7385]

***** The controller on all three of those consoles sucked ass. Dreamcast's controller just isn't well constructed, the GameCube was selfishly designed solely for Nintendo games, and both Xbox controllers were just terrible. That alone is why I preferred the PS2, plus it had better exclusives (the Xbox did have halo, but that's about it.

[@Jmeon4eva]

PixelReviver Kotor, Fable, Panzer Dragoon Orta.

[@Falcnuts]

Woah You guys blew up! Glad to see it, you deserve Joe and Dave!

[@MrJandi1]

Rayman- Jaguar Donkey Kong Country-SNES Blade Force- 3DO C-12 - PS Vectorman 2- Genesis Quake- Saturn Final Fantasy IX- PS Mechwarrior 2- Saturn Powerslave- Saturn Turok 2- N64 Shenmue Dreamcast Zelda: Majora's Mask- N64 AVP- Jaguar HeadHunter - Dreamcast Parasite Eve 2- PS MGS 3- PS 2 Altered Beast- SMS

[@MrJandi1]

Can't forget... Super Castlevania IV- SNES

[@moviemetalhead]

Perfect Dark - N64 Resident Evil 2 - N64 Heavy Rain - PS3 Star Fox - SNES

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

For the 3DO : "Star Fighter" is a more impressive game. Dreamcast: Shenmue 2 was more impressive than 1, Looney Tunes Space Race looks very good too, Sonic Adventure 2 is very impressive (3D platformer running at 60fps and 480p pushing a high polygon count)

[@ShinobiNeon]

Actually, you guys got it wrong when describing the "isms" on Street Fighter Zero 3. Xism is referring to SF2 X, which Super SF2 Turbo in north america. That's where you have the one-level power meter and either it's full or not. Aism is the Alpha style super meter with 3 levels, and Vism is where you get the Alpha 2 style "rush combos" or "chain combo" thing which was really weird and I never use it.

[@OH.A.M.]

Hella AMAZING games. Wow, I have never owned any console except for the TurboGrafx16 and still have it. So now, Thanks to you guys I'm getting some of this games ASAP. Starting with Batman.

[@shymickey6]

(28:52) "You bet it is! And it's running every bit as slow as it does on a Super Nintendo, if not even slower!" "That's awesome. So slow." Lmaooooo. You guys are hilarious! XD (I hate you guys)

[@Stone8age]

Dave looks nicer without a beard. Less creepy at least

[@Iliek]

Slyguy threeonetwonine Beards for LIFE!!

[@slyguythreeonetwonine3172]

iliek Amen.

[@DuckAlertBeats]

+Slyguy threeonetwonine charming.

[@sonikku956]

Slyguy threeonetwonine You know what else is emasculating? Being made fun of for not being very hairy at all, especially with facial hair. I wish I could grow a nice, full beard.

[@Ub3rGoob3r]

ALIEN SOLDIER!!!!!

[@Ub3rGoob3r]

To anyone who wants to play this game, it's available on Steam, as well as Gunstar Heroes. You can literally hand your ass over to a seller for a legitimate cart, or pay less than $5 for a legit version for Steam, play in Fullscreen, at 60hz or 50 hz, also, controllers are supported perfectly.

[@dani3po]

I really loved Gran Turismo back in the day. But since GT3 I think the series has fallen into tedium. By the way, if you like Outrun, you should try NFS:Rivals on PS4 or XO. It looks like an Outrun of new generation.

[@Viewer-ld5rc]

Guys next time you do games that push hardware limits consider putting the game cannon fodder for the gameboy color on the list. It was a phenomenal game and even had some early ps1 game graphics in the opening! The chip it utilised had the most memory possible for a gameboy color and it shows! The game is packed with stuff and is super fun. If you ever find the cartridge you'll see how packed it is with chips and other stuff! I hope you consider putting this game on your next list, love your videos!

[@TechniqueSan]

Seriously, not putting Donkey Kong Country on the list? SERIOUSLY?

[@thecombinearecoming]

Technique San donkey kong country was designed specifically so it wouldnt push the snes. everything is pre-rendered and compressed to shit so that it would look higher quality without actually using more processing power or doing anything particularly complicated. the hardest part was doing the 3d animations to begin with to capture the still frames, which was not an easy feat with the animation technology of the time.

[@TechniqueSan]

***** I'm not a huge fan of Nintendo nowadays, but i can appreciate a masterpiece when i see one. Don't let your butthurt rage at them stop you from playing good games.

[@DiePixelspieler]

***** Yes! Overrated game..

[@AmericanAwesomeAlliance]

I love Game Sack!

[@bliglum]

"Boring simulation style racing".. When referring to GT2... Ha ha! I'm so completely the opposite.. I find arcade racers boring, they're just too easy.. You simply hold down the "gas" button and mash left or right. Occasionally tapping the "brake" button to initiate a drift which holds itself.. It's basically the racing equivalent of a mindless button masher.. With a simulation, there's nuance.. Skills to learn, techniques to exploit.. So many different ways to attack any said corner, it adds tremendous depth.. And when you finally pull off the perfect turn or drift, or learn a track and lay down a really fast hot-lap. It delivers a thrill and sense of accomplishment that no instant gratification arcade racer could ever match!! I'm a car guy though, so I guess you've got to be more passionate about it to appreciate the nuance like that! : ).

[@contentlocked99]

yo game sack do you think the game world is heading in the opposite direction? i mean dont get me wrong, people push hardware still nowadays but i feel like they just want to take the easy way out and say "just buy new hardware scrub your shit is old". kinda silly if you ask me but hell i still play diablo 2 and the genesis/NES. lol jousting on an emu

[@cacomeat7385]

What about GTA: San Andreas? Sure, the graphics were average for their time, but the sheer size of the game world was impressive, and the best part? It didn't even have to load, save for some interiors. To this day, very few games can compete with the raw size of the game world.

[@opsimathics]

I would kill for a copy of Shantae. so unfair, only 15k units released in the US, while grand snoreismo 2 got 9 MILLION

[@JMFSpike]

I can think of several more off the top of my head. Kirby's Adventure, Toy Story(both SNES and Genesis versions), Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, Vectorman 1 & 2, Clayfighter, Killer Instinct, Star Fox, Star Fox 64, Virtua Racing, and Super Mario Land 2.

[@MrLuismegaX]

9:15 In shantae the mokey can attack, you filthy casuals

[@mariic2]

How so?

[@zanegandini5350]

You guys are getting some mean comments, I'm sorry about that as you guys seem like good people and run a great series. Anyways, Space Harrier II would be good in the next version of this. It's not that great of a game, but some of the voice samples are pretty much CD quality. And also, Panorama Cotton. It's just about as good as a Mega Drive game can get in both graphics and sound. Duke Nukem 3D on the Mega Drive is a great game that is a shame to be Brazil-Only. Also, Mortal Kombat 2 Game Gear and Donkey Kong Gameboy are both games that are stunning for early handheld titles. Don't forget SFII on the PC Engine. The graphics and sound effects are super impressive for a PCE/TG16 game.

[@pswinslow]

Two more for the Genesis: The Adventures of Batman and Robin (by the developers of Red Zone). Toy Story.

[@animeman59]

Why do these guys sound so stilted whenever they talk? It's so unnatural. It's like two 10 year olds trying to mimic adult speech.

[@GameSack]

Could you provide some examples in this episode? Do you mean when anyone is talking at any time during the episode or just during some parts? Specifics would really help us, thanks.

[@GameSack]

Game Sack Apparently animeman59 can't find any examples.

[@DemonFang72]

Game Sack It's just that some of the dialogue seems stiff and scripted and the jokes/banter seems forced. In this episode, pretty much all of the dialogue that was dubbed over game play was fine, but the "skits" between games feel like you guys are acting a character rather than just being yourselves. I, like I'm sure many others, appreciate the attempts at humor but it feels a little weird when a guy goes from calmly talking about a game (in what I imagine is pretty similar to how he talks normally) to flipping out about Sonic being played on the SNES. I know lots of people derive humor from abrupt changes in mood/behavior like this, so it's hard to explain what exactly feels off but I definitely think it has something to do with how the script feels dishonest. Not like in the deceptive way, but dishonest in the sense that I'm not really sure if you're being yourself or trying to act according to an invented persona.

[@GameSack]

TurtleShell 720 The ending skits are us totally hamming it up just for the sake of hamming it up. I thought that this was generally understood. If we were just being ourselves the ending skits would be useless. Nobody would have any reason to watch them because they wouldn't be entertaining. We probably wouldn't even make them. The on-camera segments where we're just sitting there facing the audience are the only thing about the show that aren't scripted and are just made up on the fly. Actually we don't write scripts of the ending segments, either.

[@DemonFang72]

Yes, it's very obvious that you are "hamming it up" in the ending skits. This is the focal point of what I was trying to get across, because people generally find genuine outbursts more hilarious than people acting. "Fact is stranger than fiction," in a comic kind of way. Think about comedians, generally their content revolves almost exclusively around embellishing their "real lives" to the point of seeming believable (and therefore relateable) but still bizarre/absurd/hilarious enough to be entertaining. If their stories are too incredible, it loses all impact. It's not at all easy to make something as crazy and silly as something like that seem genuine, but do there are people who routinely seem scared out of their mind during every horror game they play/incredibly angry about every game they review/weird in every video they upload and become known/popular for this persona. Acting's not everyone's path to youtube success, but it's a path nonetheless. Personally, I've always enjoyed your ending skits. "It's so slow...." cracked me up in this one. But, I was trying to answer on behalf of the people who seem put-off by the skits between clips where the commentary seems to fall into this strange valley between the "casually speaking like normal" and "hamming it up." It seems it could be interpreted both ways, which is makes for a strange impact as a viewer. It's probably due to the fact you guys are nervous/doing the skits improv, so I'm not accusing you of anything. If I'm being 100% honest, though, I am actually not sure if Joe (I believe it is Joe) is ACTUALLY a Sega fanboy, or if his fanboyism is a on-going act/joke for the sake of having Sega Vs. Nintendo banter. I mean, I'm sure he enjoys Sega games, but is he really being serious when it comes to Sega? I just don't know, it's hard to discern sincerity. Anyways, just keep doing what you guys enjoy. I'm always looking forward to an upload from you guys.

[@caligoclarus]

Alien Soldier is released in North America in Genesis/Megadrive compilation sets on various platforms.

[@Noyya-237]

Where is Final Fantasy 9 on PSX? Where is Vagrant Story? Where is Yoshi's Island for SNES? Where is Conker Bad Fur Day for N64?

[@GameSack]

-Not sure. Help me find it! -Downstairs on my shelf -Also downstairs -That one's over at Dave's house.

[@TenshiCat]

Game Sack Game Sass

[@GameSack]

Kevin Bermeo I refuse to take advice on maturity from someone who demonstrates immaturity.

[@Noyya-237]

Why do you respond to my questions with sarcasm??? I just wondered why these games are not on the list but you didn't responded

[@GameSack]

Mar Anatha You asked me WHERE they were. But in a more serious answer, questions about why such-and-such a game is not in a particular video are by far the most annoying. To me it feels like the person asking EXPECTS them to be in there and doesn't want us to make another episode on the same subject in the future. You watch something we spend a lot of time working hard on and the only thing that some people can respond with is "Why is the game I'm thinking about in my head not in your video?" It almost seems kind of rude to be honest. The games you're thinking about have no obligation to be in this episode. Are we supposed to go back in time, take the existing games out and put these ones in? It would be better if you simply stated something to the effect of "Yoshi's Island would be a good fit for this episode or "Put Yoshi's Island in the next one!" rather than "Where is ______?" or "You forgot _______".

[@ClexYoshi]

y'know, it's funny coming back to some of these old gamesack episodes if only because you and Dave have such silly hot takes and I kinda love it. Dave might be the only person on planet earth to say he likes SNES Alpha 2, and you might be the only person I know that likes the Alpha 3 soundtrack outside of 'Brave or Grave'.

[@rdross80]

Can't believe you guys didn't include Star Fox for the SNES or Virtua Racing for the Genesis. Both really pushed what those systems could do!

[@A-1-Sawce]

Street Fighter running on the SNES getting so hot it could melt the plastic ended up being a thing. With that legacy cartridge that released a while ago I had a disclaimer in it saying the cartridge runs a risk of setting the SNES on fire. 😂

[@SunChipss]

Remember when Samus fought Mother Brain? That’s girl on girl action, broski. Also, you got the Isms in Alpha 3 all wrong lmao

[@LDC622]

Very great episode! I think dragon's lair for gbc could be made on the list because the developer convert the animated laser disc game into a small gbc rom!

[@92manix]

Plok for the Super Nintendo not only has amazing graphics and vibrant colors, but it also has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard.

[@SaintCyrX]

in GT2, you always buy the celica gt four as your first car. alwayyyyys. haha

[@nintendofan707]

Hey gamesack, I think you should of mentioned Phantasy star 4 for the sega gen :3 that game pushed the genesis to its limits and its sooooooooooooooo gooooooooood

[@arcaderkid8449]

Mr GameSack! i have subscribed to your channel because you have an amazing topic history of games that were never made in the us and that to me gives me more info on how to get the rest of the games added to my collection, so thank you for the uploads.