CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO | Terror Of The Zygons - Part 2 | REACTION

[@ajivins1]

"The Loch Ness Monster!"-that was how Sarah shut-up Rose in School Reunion.

[@julieeverett7442]

exactly, it makes watching new who with new eyes so you can see where it came from

[@paulkennedy8701]

Funny thing is Sarah had so many more trumps that she could have used. She didn't mention Sontarans (which Rose never met) or Ice Warriors (which Rose never met) or Cybermen (which Rose met later). She didn't even say "I was there when they were created!" or mention Davros when Rose responded to "Daleks" by saying "Met the emperor!"

[@LanceHerod-n5d]

@@paulkennedy8701 I'm surprised neither of them mentioned them seeing the Doctor regenerate

[@tabithaadams9661]

I came here to say this too. I rewatched this story right before the 50th too.

[@theuberbob]

@@Joey15811 Seconded!

[@Dogbarkssome]

Not sure if you remember, but in 'School Reunion' Sarah meeting the Loch Ness Monster is the punchline in that jealous bragging battle with Rose: SARAH: Real living dinosaurs! ROSE: Real living werewolf! SARAH: The Loch Ness Monster! ROSE: Seriously?

[@julieeverett7442]

yeah!

[@AubreySciFi]

Tom has said in interviews that he thought the Zygons whispery voices were very interesting, and a contrast to the standard as most Doctor Who villians are very shouty.

[@CountScarlioni]

Zygon Harry is creepy as hell. As a kid I remember being scared by the bit where he attacks Sarah with the pitchfork. I guess there's something unsettling about the image of companions turning on one another. Ah, yes the Loch Ness Monster. These days it may look like the Monster Muncher from the Chewits adverts, but it's a massive step up in visual effectiveness compared to the dinosaurs in the previous season.

[@frankshailes3205]

The book was announced with the title "Doctor Who Meets The Loch Ness Monster" which sounds like a polite social visit for tea or something. I bought it with a book token I won in a school drawing competition when I was little. Years later I got an Ebay job lot that included, as a surprise, a copy signed by Tom Baker.

[@Percyfan1998]

7:35 Ian Marter is really proving his acting chops. A fun thing about this is the reason that the Zygons whisper is because Tom Baker lamented to Director Douglas Camfield about how the Daleks shouted their lines and that it'd be nice to have one that whispers. Camfield said 'I got you' and so when Baker went to do this, he got the biggest kick out of whispering Zygons. As for their ship, he thought it was pizza back then, he still does to this day.

[@petersvillage7447]

I wish we could have a Loch Ness Monster Vs Drashig grudge-match...

[@AubreySciFi]

The Zygon Harry in the barn scene is very creepy and horror movie-esque. A very good scene.

[@stephensinclair3771]

The Zygons are great monster design. The organic like technology is a great idea.

[@thecelticdruid.6681]

One of the best stories of this season, so atmospheric, like a horror movie, and of course I love the music from this story.

[@julieeverett7442]

one of, yes

[@AubreySciFi]

Tom had a very strong first season, and now we're onto a very strong opening story for his second season.

[@markbelsom3174]

Now you know what Sarah means when she mentions the Lochness monster in School Réunion.

[@kierenevans2521]

This is one of my favourite stories. Creepy and atmospheric, and some nice touches of humour and horror. The VHS was well played. The writer, Robert Banks Stewart, did another one which is also well thought of.

[@toddbeilby6484]

The Zygons are more effective in Classic Who. Great reaction, wonderful opinions...always look forward to the next 😘🤗⭐️

[@LanceHerod-n5d]

The music throughout this episode further enhances what's already a richly captivating story.

[@RoundTheArchives]

It's here that the Hinchcliffe / Holmes approach really starts to crystallize - upping the tension, design, direction, music and just the general atmosphere. Scared the hell out of Andrew watching at the time, but loved it!

[@larrytalbot3824]

Another fun reaction! Don't you just love the organic technology of the Zygons, those 'sucker' buttons & switches...& knobs. Even the morph between the Zygon & it's human form was a nice wee effect I thought. Some creepy, unsettling performances in this one, even aside from 'Dark Harry', that bit where the Doctor makes that howling moan in the decompression chamber always got me! & I don't know if anyone else feels this way but, as a wee boy watching the 4th Doctor, as much he was a hero & you _are_ rooting for him...I was always a bit *scared* of him too!! seriously!! lol I love Nessie in this too & they made a not bad recreation of her...the neck's a bit shorter here than the *real* one but, not bad👌 :) It's a pity you've already recorded all your reactions to this story Marie-Clare, I would love to have seen you review/react to at least one entire episode...in a whispering Zygon voice!! lol

[@kemmdog4444]

Broton is the only Zygon where the actor is actually voicing his character,the other Zygons are voiced off camera.

[@stephencoppins9467]

The Target novelisation of this story (the things we had before VHS releases, which came before DVDs and downloads), was titled “Doctor Who and the Loch Ness Monster.” The monster costumes and make-up of Doctor Who in the early and mid-1970s were pretty darn impressive, weren’t they?

[@cosmosrunner]

Tom Baker is never ‘off form’, whether its a good or sometimes bad story.

[@Eltonlaleham]

This is one story where Dr 4 drives a motor car not bessie but a Landrover belonging to UNIT

[@joshsimmons6156]

The musical score in these episodes is absolutely amazing

[@martins8587]

Sarah-Jane shouts at Rose "THE LOCH! NESS! MONSTER!" And Rose drops the anger and says "Really??" One of my favourite moments from Nu-Who.

[@iansmith4023]

This is definitely one of my Top 20 stories in all of Who. So many different elements all coming together in perfect proportion. Tom at the top of his form. Sarah being great. Ian Marter being given lots to do. Fun Scottish stuff. The Brig. Humour. Scary stuff. A slight pity that the Monster looks very much a televisual product of its time - but it's campyness is all part of the fun!

[@ianmansfield68]

The arrival of 'Nessie' was what really nailed it for me in this story. As a kid I was fascinated by tales of the unexplained - the Yeti, Nessie, Bigfoot etc. What I liked about Dr Who as I started reading the books of the earlier seasons that I never saw, was how much they touched on these myths and legends (sometimes using them as an influence for an original story, such the Peladon stoires in Pertwee's era). Despite seeing the original broadcast and reading the book I'm surprised by how much I'd forgotten about the story that all came surging back the moment I saw your reaction. The creepy nurse, the Zygons shape shifting, the spy camera in the Deer's head. Also, I wonder if anyone noticed but the Zygon ship looks like it has grown rater than been built (I think it was described this way in the book) which is reminiscent the Alien nest in a certain famous Sci Fi film that came after...of course, the BBC writers could have been inspired by HR Giger's artwork that was already published then. I loved the Yeti story from the second Dr and will be looking up your reaction to that having never seen the TV broadcast. Can't wait!

[@Skulper35]

When you said they look like the grinch, i died laughing, never noticed it before!

[@StuartShearing]

That Target novelisation I mentioned yesterday... "Doctor Who and the (Bloody) Loch Ness Monster. In the battle of words between Rose and Sarah Jane in School Reunion, 'THE Loch Ness Monster' was Sarah's trump-card.

[@johng5859]

It is a testament to Ian Marter's acting ability that he made Zygon Harry look really creepy and threatening, but credit also to Douglas Camfield for making those scenes in the barn so unsettling and scary - they are another example of how the show was much more willing under Hinchcliffe and Holmes to take risks and go that little bit darker. The Zygons themselves, while not especially original in conception (they have a lot in common with the Chameleons from The Faceless Ones), are a triumph of design. Philip Hinchcliffe was very keen to get away from Vogon-type aliens where full masks were used, and the way the facial features of the actors here are blended in with the half-mask works extremely well and makes the Zygons look more naturalistic. Future Oscar-winner Jim Acheson designed the costumes, and John Friedlander looked after the masks. The Skarasen/Loch Ness Monster works less well, appearing very jerky on film, but Canfield knew it and tried to keep its appearances to a minimum. Nice idea though to have a sci-fi explanation for Nessie's existence - indeed, it was the starting point for the whole story, as writer Robert Banks Stewart was himself a Scot and thought it would be fun to have a Who story based around the old legend of Loch Ness.

[@stimulusrespond]

Indeed, John Friedlander also designed the Draconian masks for Frontier in Space.

[@Richard_Ashton]

Despite watching Doctor Who from 1963, you can see why Tom Baker is my favourite. Even his poor stories were great. Now you get the payoff to the duologue between Sarah and Rose in ‘School Reunion’.

[@AubreySciFi]

I saw Nessie when I went to Loch Ness years ago. She was floating happily in the large pond outside of a hotel there. She did look a little plasticky and stiff though. 🤔 A much more wooden performance there than she gave in this episode. 😄

[@Eltonlaleham]

I think the Landrover the dr dives in this story either breaks down or runs out of fuel either diesel or petrol I should think this Landrover was hired rather than been Tom Bakers own car he in real life owned a Landrover Defender which was dark green

[@alexfletcher5192]

Yes, the Doctor's mesmeric abilities have been sorely lacking in recent years (unless you count his taming of Aggedor), but the ability to go without oxygen explains a few things - how the 2nd Doctor survived the seed pods in 'Seeds of Death' perhaps? Or how Jodie Whittaker's Doctor survived the ducking stooll in 'The Witchfinders'?

[@stuartwho]

The Target novelisation of this story is called Doctor Who and the Loch Ness Monster.

[@philippaine2169]

Great reaction as always 😀

[@whobp8]

Jamie was returned to Scotland in 1745, so if he was still around for this story he'd be looking a bit long in the tooth. Ian Marter does a great job portraying the Zygon Harry, the scene in the barn is genuinely menacing.

[@tabithaadams9661]

The nearest we get is the Doctor using Jamie's name in Tooth and Claw.

[@alexfletcher5192]

I had a strange dream last night. I was in the chilled section of a branch of Marks & Spencer in the mid-1980s, with Sarah & Harry. (It was always the same 4 sandwiches: BLT; Ham, Cheese & Pickle; Cheese & Celery; Egg & Cress). We got home - to a house that resembled the one I shared with 5 others at college in the 1990s (although it sometimes seemed like 20) - and discovered that the R-rate for COVID-19 had risen above 2 and Sarah had tested positive. What does it all mean? I have reached 2 conclusions: 1), I spend too much time on this channel, and 2), I'm hungry.

[@alexfletcher5192]

The sequence with the Skarasen (which, to my southern ponce ears, even sounds Scottish) is, in my view, one of the best-executed set-pieces in Classic Who. It's also a reminder that the standards by which the success of visual effects were judged were quite different back then - before a thousand keyboard warriors could urgently live tweet their joy/bemusement/disgust at the viability (or non-viability) of a certain creature or effect. It was fantasy, at a time when fantasy was generally considered a children's genre, and as long as it was 'scary' or 'monstrous' realism could go hang. After all, who is to say what the Loch Ness Monster really looks like?

[@gegoly]

Has anybody else been watching these reactions with earphones on and getting really unsure if you're hearing the background plane sounds or it's coming from the video haha

[@DoctorWhoAdventures]

Great reaction!! This story is so exciting! :D

[@kranser]

The loch ness monster is mentioned in New Who - in School reunion - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6rbpZ54pKaNfJo

[@stimulusrespond]

The Zygons are one of the best monster designs, they really do still stand up today. For some reason though I never make the connection between the Zygons in new-Who and in this story - for me they seem quite different, but maybe that's just me. And, call me old-fashioned but I prefer these costumes.

[@geoffmason7215]

after you finish sarahs original classic run may i suggest your own private re watch of school reunion?? youll love it so much more

[@CRINOTH]

Zygon Harry is so creepy. It's interesting that in Classic Who the Zygon just take on the physical forms of their human subjects without bothering to pay much attention to copying the personality. In New Who they have a much better all round game and are more convincing as the humans they disguise themselves as. I'm not sure which is scarier though.

[@Payne2view]

As Sarah-Jane said to Rose "THE Lockness Monster". :-)

[@rowietappy187]

The HARRY doppelgänger with the pitch fork is one of the best “horror” moments and a very sinister scene in Dr who. But not the most Chilling I won’t discuss more as it will spoil future episodes, but your gonna find out 👍🏻 why are Zygons so amazing. It’s Because they are Orange....no other aliens are Orange even in Star Wars 😁🎃😀

[@thevirgologychannel6215]

Great reactions this episode. It’s stories like this that always highlight for me deeper differences between classic Who and Nu-Who. Although I’m a fan of the new show it has to be said that these classic stories, even though the SFX is a little dated still hold up. Especially the characterisation of the Doctor himself. Not all powerful god or super hero just a clever alien helping out who has a fondness for humans.

[@dngillikin]

This is my favorite story of this era, one that has stuck with me since I was in junior high. I'll refrain from saying anything else to avoid the risk of getting spoilery.

[@julieeverett7442]

this is a favourite, but one of my most favourite is two stories time (NO spoilers!)

[@dngillikin]

@@julieeverett7442 I also like that one as well.

[@mark-s]

We are in 1976 which is a very strong year for dr who ian marter is amazing as an evil harry top episode

[@garyhull5490]

Another great reaction!! I love this story but i think these version of the zygons are more scary than the zygons in new who i think it was a waste of time bringing them back cos they wasn't scary or creepy as they are in this story. the atmosphere is very haunting i think in this story, i'm glad you are enjoying it.

[@LanceHerod-n5d]

Unfortunately the Moffat era frequently turned at least one alien from enemy species into goodies; Strax, Rusty, Handles, etc...which diminishes their menace.

[@garyhull5490]

@@LanceHerod-n5d This is true its better when they were enemies more fun with them then.

[@oldwebshooter]

I think these original faces are better than the more generic monster faces they gave them in the 50th. Their original faces in shadow look much more creepy.

[@Problembeing]

RainyShed 100% Agreed.

[@joshbostock_2040]

The effects for the loch ness monster do look a bit shoddy but it's better than the dinosaurs. The zygon ship is one of my favourite sets, the lighting is really good especially next story as well. I wish we got to see more of evil harry

[@tabithaadams9661]

I loved that the Zygon ship was so organic. It was a nice departure from all space ships being metallic and angular.

[@bananasaregood8655]

Ok the loch ness monster stop motion is a little ropey! But charming haha ian marter does a rele good evil zygon duplicate

[@Problembeing]

I prefer the classic Zygon look, they’re so much more creepier imo.

[@bcsr4ever]

Tom's first three or four seasons have some of my favourite episodes. This one is quite memorable. (EDIT Mind you, I was 13 when I first saw it on release. lol)

[@julieeverett7442]

I wasnt even 10 yet, I loved 4th, there is is still NO other that compares!

[@julieeverett7442]

@@Joey15811 just saying love 4th

[@julieeverett7442]

@@Joey15811 ok, and yeah it was

[@Jamienomore]

They did want to film in Scotland but couldn't because of Financial Restraints. That's why they used the locations in England. I can tell you Nessie is real. Years ago my Parents took a trip up to Inverness to have a picknick at the Loch. After 20 minutes my Mother saw it first and my Dad cursed because he had left his camera back at the Hotel. I will have to give you a Spoiler. Yesterday when shopping for my graceries, I forgot to buy electricity. I will need to go back down again today to buy some. Isn't that annoying. Please remind Medusa that the three of us will be watching 5 Extremely Scary Videos by Nuke tomorrow.

[@glennmaloney4962]

You didn't know it was the Zygons even though the episode title is called Terror of thr. Zygons , you even mentioned the name of the episode yourself

[@MarieClaresWorld]

Yes, but I don’t read the title beforehand, only after :)

[@Cruithneach]

Robert Banks Stewart, although Scottish himself, was criticised for a rather antiquated representation of Scots - I doubt discussions of one's Clan Chief were de rigueur in 1975. Similar accusations were made regarding the potrayal of the Welsh in The Green Death and perhaps it could happen again - we shall see...

[@eclecticdog2k901]

Zygon Harry is fabulous in this, the Zygon costumes are still excellent, and the scene where the Doctor hypnotizes Sarah to save her from suffocating is interesting - but honestly, this story really doesn't do much for me, especially after Part One. It doesn't add anything to the UNIT format - all those elements feel pretty repetitive and bleh, aside from the Brig's kilt in the first episode. The Zygons are cool, but they're really the only interesting thing in the story for me, and it's just not enough. I've just never been able to get into this story. Glad you're enjoying it though!

[@johng5859]

I would agree that this story is a bit overrated. From a production point of view it is superbly done, Skarasen aside, but the script is fairly basic and superficial, and doesn't have the deeper layers of meaning that the very best Who scripts possess. It's a very entertaining and imaginative story, but for me it lacks real meat.

[@markdavidson9100]

If only there was a degree 📜 in classic doctor who

[@sixstanger00]

Unfortunately the Zygons, like so many other classic Who villains, were reduced to comic relief under Moffat. IMO, this is largely due to NuWho having a different target audience. While the classic series was predominantly enjoyed by hardcore sci-fi fans, the revival was generally aimed at audiences that didn't necessarily watch sci-fi. The revival makes this clear frequently by incorporating pop culture references - Satellite 5 as a shopping mall, Satellite 5 filled with reality game shows (despite this being thousands of years into the future), the locals in futuristic settings always dressed in modern clothes, using modern weapons, etc (The Impossible Planet, Midnight, 42, etc). The point is, as I tried to explain to someone else on one of your previous videos, is that NuWho is considerably watered down for mass appeal, just as the 2009 Abrams Trek was. Ever since these niche franchises became mainstream - ever since it became "cool" to dig sci-fi content, they were all forced to dumb themselves down for the sake of the wider audience. In the case of the Zygons, you're smart enough to suspend your disbelief and accept that these are aliens from another planet. To casual viewers, they look silly, sound silly. So in modern Who, they are portrayed as SILLY, because that's how casual audiences perceive them. My biggest complaint with the Chibnall era has been that Whittaker's portrayal of the Doctor has been too much of a Matt Smith wannabe; the series can't seem to play it straight, particularly in future settings (The Tsunangra Conundrum?). The modern series just has no faith whatsoever in it's audience's intelligence.

[@julieeverett7442]

good point, and I actually cant stand the 11th doctor, I like the person, not the doctor, and Jodie has no personality at all, she certainly cant pull off the old/young doctor that Matt TRIES to. I grew up in this era Jon/Tom (and a future doctor)were my doctors until I hit uni and got serious about study. The thing with the 70's early 80's was suspending disbelief and use this weird thing called imagination, something modern era seems to be lacking. Even Marie Claire cant seem to comprehend this is where the Zygons started, with 4th, not a modern thing

[@matthewclarke4127]

The Nu-Who Zygon costumes look too plasticy and textureless.