The Watcher thing is a crazy bad idea. I love Shane and Ryan, I watch all their content. But this is a horrible idea in this economy. At least say "it is streaming exclusive for 2 months, then free on YT", I'd be less angry. As a loyal viewer since 2017/18 Buzzfeed days I'm angry and I've unsubscribed, did my watch hours mean fuck all?
@KryptidKaty5 ай бұрын
This. I've been a fan since the beginning, before Shane was even involved in Unsolved. Their repeated passive aggressive comments saying everyone can afford it is SO fucking tone deaf. It feels like being told by boomers to eat less avocado toast to be able to afford rent. Steven Lim's Instagram post even comes across as "If you're enough of a fan you'll find a way to join", like super guilt trippy. I'm living off disability payments and food stamps, I literally cannot afford a single subscription. Many international fans said that $6 is literally equal to a rent payment. Obviously they deserve to be paid fairly and I know KZbin has been screwing their creators for years, but this isn't the way to fix that. This whole situation and the way they're handling it feels like such a slap in the face, and it's honestly heartbreaking after supporting them for so many years.
@DylanPorto455 ай бұрын
unfortunately, yes. they do mean fuck all. at the end of the day, they dont know or care about any of us nor owe us anything plus money always wins. this proves that.
@raging1005 ай бұрын
You think any streamer/youtuber actually cares about their audience? Its all about money, nothing else.
@7burnitdown5 ай бұрын
You are so naive just like most of their fans. Its all about money
@aleksiesko8855 ай бұрын
Obviously it meant fuck all
@Yalikejazz_695 ай бұрын
31:00 That 'little devil on their shoulder' is known as Steven Lim 😑
@connorbosley44315 ай бұрын
This all feels like his idea, the guy owns a tesla, whilst talking about them having a lack of sponsorship money
@nunpho5 ай бұрын
Why are people going after him? It's a group decision
@YarpYarpy5 ай бұрын
💤
@KryptidKaty5 ай бұрын
@@nunpho(not personally taking sides with anyone, just explaining what I've seen others bring up) Steven is the official CEO of Watcher, so it's expected that his opinion holds more weight. He also has been making similar tone deaf statements long before this Goodbye video, he has a habit of flaunting his Tesla, and he does a (not super popular) show where he just travels and eats super expensive food.
@ellemarr72345 ай бұрын
@@KryptidKaty How much money would they save if they just nixed his vanity show? 🤔
@InsTAus7935 ай бұрын
Oh YES Thank you for covering this so quickly. You're the first person I look to whenever major internet drama happens. I don't think I need to repeat what has been already said by hundreds of thousands of people - myself included. However, as a long time fan of Ryan and Shane since the early Buzzfeed days, I'm just so deeply disappointed.
@SomeKindaSpy5 ай бұрын
CoffeeZilla also went over it in detail imo.
@bigchills71945 ай бұрын
"A remarkably stupid idea!" I totally agree with the sentiment. WHY FIX something that isn't broken! Pure subscription money greed that's going to bite them in the ass. Especially when there's other KZbinrs like "Why Files" that produce the same genre at about the same if not better quality.
@LydiaReneeDarling5 ай бұрын
I work in production and I know how much it costs. I get it’s expensive. But they grew to way too many full time staff too quickly (leaning on reliable freelancers while they grow would’ve helped reduce cost without laying anyone off) and are abandoning a channel that can still make them some ad + sponsor revenue while nurturing an audience to their paid content. They need a mixed model. This makes no business sense. They’re friends with the Try Guys for god’s sake. They can see how a mix of premium and free content can work fiscally, and how to grow their staff more slowly. This just so disappointing.
@snowcattish5 ай бұрын
They need to look no further than Good Mythical Morning, which they have collaborated with a few times. GMM has kept 85% of their stuff free on KZbin, they upload at least 13 new shows weekly across their platforms, created the Mythical Society for extra content, they do PPV specials a couple times a year and are the Kings of Merch. Mythical Entertainment is so successful they could afford to buy Smosh for $19 million, babysit it for a couple years and sell it back to the original creators. GMM should be the channel all channels strive to be.
@contentutube5 ай бұрын
Bruh
@trentonkern48035 ай бұрын
They could look at good mythical morning and mythical society for inspiration
@gamerpro88543 ай бұрын
@@snowcattish.
@chelsv76185 ай бұрын
watching charlie aimlessly click in the beginning of his streams is what really keeps me goong
@celedhion5 ай бұрын
He has multiple monitors
@Youropinionmatterslittle5 ай бұрын
He's waiting for viewers. This is what happens when you can't "begin" without at least a thousands people watching him. He doens't feel like just a couple people watching isn't enough for him to even start.
@rundown1325 ай бұрын
gooning to charlie?
@Youropinionmatterslittle5 ай бұрын
@@rundown132 exact opposite my comprehension deprived friend.
@wayne20uk5 ай бұрын
Not much of a life you have 🤣
@Ezz0Clan5 ай бұрын
If the Watchers had said "Hey, we wanna provide better experience, so we're launching this website with no ad's, all of our paid and free episodes there, but the paid episodes from Patreon are paid, but if you're already Patreon, you can sync your subscription on the channel and if you wish to change to WatcherTV full time subscription, we'll throw you 30% one time, for life subscription discount code at your email regardless as a thank you." and just... Diversify their sources of income and cut the middleman which in this case is Patreon for exclusive content. Maybe create KZbin Join thingy and upcharge from it baste on the cut that KZbin takes, and provide this platform as an alternative... Watchers were 100% lead stray on this one. They shouldn't have let greed to kick in, just diversify your source of incoming...
@ellemarr72345 ай бұрын
YES! Comments like this prove they did zero research. Fans have the best feedback ffs
@4kach245 ай бұрын
I can't f-ng believe they did no research It seems like such a big decision and they have so much experience in the industry only to fumble like that... disappointment is immeasurable
@sentry43605 ай бұрын
Minimum they're making 500k off the Patreon a year. If one season of a show costs upwards of 100'000 dollars it doesnt make sense how they can't make it back. It honestly sounds like they're getting greedy or there is SERIOUS money mismanagement
@jimneycricket5 ай бұрын
after tax
@stockmahogany5 ай бұрын
they're trying to fund Tesla's and penthouses in LA.
@kevink15755 ай бұрын
@@stockmahoganyAnd pay the rent of that Hollywood studio with 25+ employees.
@GangsterGru265 ай бұрын
@@kevink1575median salary is 90k in LA, cuz below that is barely livable there ig
@SouthernChimes5 ай бұрын
I could easily see them struggling to break even. Payroll alone for 20+ people could easily wipe out that 500k especially somewhere with a high cost of living. That isn’t to mention taxes, office/filming space, travel expensesI, insurance, equipment, various permits, etc.. I suspect they just grew too quickly and hired at a rate that they couldn’t support so they are frantically trying to make up the difference. This for sure wasn’t the best move at any rate.
@toolittletoolate5 ай бұрын
imagine if every youtuber went private and expected 5.99 to watch their content and then said "It's that price because anyone can afford it!"
@toolittletoolate5 ай бұрын
"anyone and everyone!" What about places in the world where 6USD is like a weeks worth of groceries?
@carlwheezerofsouls32735 ай бұрын
seriously the complete lack of regional pricing is such an amateur decision, did they actually think every single person that watches their content is in the US???
@applejones55765 ай бұрын
@@carlwheezerofsouls3273It’s most likely just because they are only going to pander towards the majority of their audience(which won’t even be signing on with that price).
@AKIOEO5 ай бұрын
Going from buzzfeed to watcher i was really optimistic about their show and now this devastating news 😔
@Evan7xXx75 ай бұрын
Going to be interesting seeing the reaction to the Watcher situation over the next few days. I’m looking forward to their response lol
@MegaLuckyLeafy5 ай бұрын
At the end of the day as much as I love Watcher and their content, we genuinely do not know these guys and their motives.
@drumusic56655 ай бұрын
I think the thing that I don't see being talked about enough is that they clearly are hinting (if you want to call it that) that they also plan to run ads! So they want to charge $6 and then get 100% of ad revenue as well. Mad greedy.
@celedhion5 ай бұрын
The Rooster Teeth model isn't comparable at all because they put the same videos on the website that were on KZbin. The difference would be they uploaded them to the site first, and they didn't censor out the cursing. But it was essentially still the same video on YT. They also had a pay model that would give you access to live content that wasn't aired anywhere else, like being able to watch their podcasts in real time. But you would still get to watch the podcast recording on YT a day later.
@drumusic56655 ай бұрын
That doesn't mean it's not comparable? The videos on Watchers website are the same videos that they would of also been put on KZbin. So both companies moved there videos to another site, only rooster teeth was more audience conscious and didn't nix there YT channel in order to do it. And yeah Rooster teeth did have that 1 pay wall but what they offered is very much on par with modern day Patreons (something Watcher also already has).
@celedhion5 ай бұрын
@@drumusic5665 The Watchers content is fully paywalled, and will not be releasing future content on YT. Rooster Teeth released their content on both platforms with minor changes to the website version, and even their pay walled content was released on KZbin after awhile. It isn't comparable at all. The RT model was very much completely free and accessible, released on both platforms, and they still released paid content on YT.
@Wyren095 ай бұрын
It’s also 6$ US and I’ve heard the conversion rate is not good for international subscribers.
@taliag095 ай бұрын
I also read that the payment only accepts credit/debit which (from what I've read in other comments - I'm from the US) basically isolates international fans that WOULD have paid but they don't accept things like paypal which can be used for foreign currency
@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout5 ай бұрын
I bet you Steven lim is behind this paywall and is just too greedy or he hired too many of his family memebers that he can’t let go of and has money issues. This was a shtty decision regardless. They’ve lost 30k+ subs so far
@ellemarr72345 ай бұрын
They expanded too quickly and now have full time staff they have to support. Growing too quick and eventually having to lay people off is Covid in a nutshell. Unfortunately, they’re going to have to lay people off with the way things are going. The BEST thing they can do is to walk it back completely. Throw up your hands and pray the unsubscriptions stop
@Mysoulismelting5 ай бұрын
I feel like shane and ryan let steven be ceo cause they felt bad, and now stevens making all these bad decisions and running watcher into the ground
@Thalweg5 ай бұрын
What sucks most is this goes so much against the idealogy that shane and ryan have displayed in the past.
@KhamulFan5 ай бұрын
Well Shane's been pro pirating in the past so it shouldn't be a problem if their old audience does that to their content, right?
@Agent_31415 ай бұрын
I love the guys but I'm not paying $5.99 a month to watch them. Honestly I only like the true crime and mysteries content
@CCHAWC7175 ай бұрын
The thing with moving the patreon to their own site, to cut out that middle man. They absolutely could have achieved that. Mythical already did that quite successfully with Mythical Society. They turned one youtube channel into an impressive media production company, but not at the cost of charging fans for the main line video content, or, for the most part, compromising their company morals.
@Max._Power2 ай бұрын
ah but you see the problem is, they were planning on keeping the patreon, not that any of this matters anymore, they got bullied into walking it back and making their service an early access thing
@user-ze6ns9pq2y5 ай бұрын
greetings earthchildren
@BigPenstroker5 ай бұрын
The stars say hello! 🤗✨
@askiia87135 ай бұрын
Hey monkeys
@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ5 ай бұрын
Hey human
@drubreeze88035 ай бұрын
Did you just assume my species?
@thecoolestdaniel45545 ай бұрын
Hello skydad
@alantheinquirer76585 ай бұрын
I was a big fan of the boys ... but not enough of one to pay to watch them. Good luck to them an' all but I won't be there.
@milliemadge53 ай бұрын
Okay, in reference to the I hate it here lyrics, she literally says two or three lines later "nostalgia is a mind's trick, if I'd been there I'd hate it" like I'm not saying that there can't be critiques, but if you're going to critique something, use the context. And that's not so much about Charlie. That's about people who pick at it in general cuz I know he's just covering what people were already picking at.
@chriscummings42065 ай бұрын
The strangest thing involving anyone's death that I knew was my nephew on my dad's side of the family died of stomach cancer but, my parents swore up and down that was to cover up him dying of AIDS. And I think my parents said that because he was gay.
@4kach245 ай бұрын
That's disgusting.
@ckcarr29653 ай бұрын
I fell asleep with KZbin on and woke up too "My dad died from taking an upskirt photo" 😂
@senku34025 ай бұрын
Man finally used castle
@Bagel-rr1qb5 ай бұрын
I saw a KZbinr named bigtugg make a parody of this and talk about how stupid the idea was. Forcing your content behind a paywall is so stupid
@somebody_that_you_used_to_know3 ай бұрын
oh hey! nice to see another tugglet in the wild
@drakegears5 ай бұрын
Did he talk about the guy that set himself ablaze?
@syncroslicer5 ай бұрын
Thanks for being who you are Charlie🫡
@seanothepop46385 ай бұрын
My farts are mediocre, and lack the pizazz Charlie's farts have. At least I'm facing the truth. Bot actualized.
@TheNumberP5 ай бұрын
Charlie you’re paying for netflix and youtube premium. You are still paying for cable.
@CherrrrBear5 ай бұрын
1:05:09 they found even more photos in his phone!
@KarlHamilton5 ай бұрын
Watcher? I can't even afford her.
@kullanturner25555 ай бұрын
That first game was rough.
@trentonkern48035 ай бұрын
I just found Watcher not long back myself and this hurts. I like Ryan and Shane a lot. Sometimes I wish it was just a Ryan and Shane channel but they could fix things if they just back track on the decision. They can admit they were wrong and still hold onto their fan base if they just actually hear us out instead of going into defense mode which I am worried about.
@bullymaquire87975 ай бұрын
Charlie is the most likeable fucking drama queen there is. He loves it 😅
@purplediamond58672 ай бұрын
The tea is HAWT
@lnis50735 ай бұрын
I just got off work guys it’s 2am where I’m from 😅
@VinJ175 ай бұрын
1:08:05 I dont know why Charlie used the word "De-aggro'ed" but why does it feel so natural in this scenario. 😂😂😂
@TheSanndwichh2 күн бұрын
This stream just auto played, and all the heavy breathing and smacking before the intro made it sound like some mid missionary lol
@ItsAceB5 ай бұрын
gears 3 tomorrow feels right
@SuperCrazyEstonian5 ай бұрын
People severely underestimate the impact youtube has on their success.
@SwissFrankIsGon4 ай бұрын
OMG HERE IS NOT TALKEN TO ME .
@user-su8nv8ue2k5 ай бұрын
I'm always having fun with his streams
@trajanoptimus71985 ай бұрын
Did the watcher not learn from rooster teeth?!
@hannahbeanies88555 ай бұрын
The AI Pan pics - I think the last one, where she is sticking out her tongue, was the real photo. The background is very clearly edited, but the rest looks much less suspect. That may have been what the producer was referring to. But I think they may have used that one to try to make “more”, because the others are clearly AI
@metube74253 ай бұрын
Trail mix or dried fruit tier list…😅slaps
@bigsmoke22-eg9vi5 ай бұрын
the watcher one is probably so they can put more stuff that isnt allowed on youtube or just to make more money😂
@fetcherman132 ай бұрын
PEEPERS BY THE POKEMON CARDS?! OH GOD!
@maamenchaca4994Ай бұрын
My name is Sharon
@RyanScHD5 ай бұрын
Is anyone getting constant message "out of ram" with this stream specifically?
@chackie1015 ай бұрын
Fun streams lately👍
@mobyhuge5 ай бұрын
why is this comment section empty
@CaptainG235 ай бұрын
He does not allow comments - mostly because of people like me . And you .
@DeadlyFreshAK5 ай бұрын
Because the stream just ended
@mr.squidward71355 ай бұрын
You might have heard this a bunch but have you heard about the Lexi Bonner situation it’s scary you might have addressed it in this stream it’s just I don’t have the time to watch it at the moment
@BradleyMonroe-z5t5 ай бұрын
What do they mean the photos arent AI generated. It looks like the top was made in MS paint.
@rasa88473 ай бұрын
Charlie: No im definitely not being carried. *Countinues being carried and dying the dumbest ways*
@JantzenOnFireАй бұрын
fun fact: 1000 Ways To Die is NOT real
@JantzenOnFireАй бұрын
very few cases are "loosely based" on claims from old internet stories from the 90's
@awesomedudeplayz39504 ай бұрын
You play without communication
@shrimpSon245 ай бұрын
Day 6 of thanking Charlie for providing us with important news and hilarious comedy multiple times a day
@Ememememem-gd9gv10 сағат бұрын
Man, rip rooster teeth
@diaamndbtw54925 ай бұрын
such a banger stream🙏😂
@witchachu30145 ай бұрын
I miss vids with Tetra. Hope you're doing well tho
@JacobPayne-ln3vs4 ай бұрын
No one know what day it is?
@user-qv9hg3to7k5 ай бұрын
Good job brother ❤
@project.self.225 ай бұрын
Great stream caught it late though
@SirAsdf5 ай бұрын
I genuinely cannot comprehend by what metric they thought this was going to be a good idea. They walked up to their community of broke college students in the middle of a recession filled with too many streaming services, pissed on them, and then locked all of their content behind a paywall.
@chaseanfish83065 ай бұрын
I just forgot lol 😂
@rageintothelight5 ай бұрын
I think they will still move forward because their success on KZbin has given them an inflated ego. It's like they thought eh so what we will lose some people it will be worth it!
@AndreiMiguelPeñaranda5 ай бұрын
Quiet 🗿
@michaelbasaraba13255 ай бұрын
Chu papi munyano
@themoocow77185 ай бұрын
small comment section
@cinderofgods86985 ай бұрын
Cause the stream its done
@danielpaivaaquino48645 ай бұрын
Just 24 comments?
@chaseanfish83065 ай бұрын
What part of Florida are you based out of?
@xdguapdad5 ай бұрын
yo
@HectorPerez-dg5bp5 ай бұрын
Where was this stream? :(
@FATTYBONGRIPS5 ай бұрын
KZbin
@chaseanfish83065 ай бұрын
Are you from the Tampa Bay Area?
@Asp6ct5 ай бұрын
play gears 3
@RealyzeIt5 ай бұрын
You won’t beat the “best KZbinr” allegations bro
@kishanuchiha91295 ай бұрын
Hi
@maharshidave76385 ай бұрын
32:10
@ghostfaceyoda77425 ай бұрын
who keeps making these bruh
@something_potato275 ай бұрын
How’s it going Charlie
@CherrrrBear5 ай бұрын
1:04:44 this guy is so nasty!!!
@chrishenderson666Күн бұрын
16 million subscribers and only 7 k likes? Oy vey, how antisemetic
@JeLeff.2 күн бұрын
e
@zardaboi26525 ай бұрын
Did he talk about the new drake diss on his Instagram that has AI 2pac snd snoop
@Science16775 ай бұрын
funny how the bible thumpers always have to have someone to hate.
@Gameman5252-e2r5 ай бұрын
Commenting on every critikal video until he responds day 1270
@100gang-post995 ай бұрын
I was here
@hoodbaby6665 ай бұрын
👁️👄👁️
@catherinenguyen74035 ай бұрын
Wow.
@Seabutt125 ай бұрын
olda smolda ploda
@DealwithitHand5 ай бұрын
1:10:50 Target tried selling TUCKING outfits for CHILDREN. They won't get any respect from me, funny joke though.
@GrimDim5 ай бұрын
Wassat
@_Kuma_5 ай бұрын
Even if that were true, who cares? It’s a piece of clothing, it doesn’t cause irreversible change and if it makes them feel more confident in their bodies, that’s all that should be important.
@sexonlithium5 ай бұрын
O0
@chriscummings42065 ай бұрын
My favorite Pop-Tart is s'mores! 11:03 Somebody wants to leave KZbin to go to a subscription-based something or other... I sense a scandal coming and they're trying to head the news off at the pass.🤘🫵🐎🤔