Good Guy With A Gun? Man From Indiana Intervenes To Save Lives During Mall Shooting

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#gunrights

[@soulreaver22]

Only in this hellscape can "Just 3 deaths during a mass shooting" be considered any sort of win.

[@jaredsabatelli2459]

Sad, just sad that we have to deal this this shit I’m the USA

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

There are several definitions of mass shooting but most of them require 4 people to be shot, sometimes excluding the shooter. So this event wasn't bad enough to count on some of the definitions.

[@Big_Dip1]

I'm in a city in NY state...I don't go downtown anymore, shit is wild. Shootings daily. Stay safe.

[@DissedRedEngie]

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 this reeks hide the pain harold energy.

[@doriandundee9906]

Yeah that's a win for Americans

[@Spood6]

Suggesting that a "good guy with a gun" is a viable solution to mass shootings is tantamount to suggesting that the lottery is a viable financial income source

[@boroprikaza2138]

Not even close. Tens of thousands of times more cases of a good guy with a gun than reported lottery winners.

[@dadbodenvy4247]

@@boroprikaza2138 also tens of thousands of bad guys with guns who do much more damage than people who lose the lottery

[@zuni_9566]

Depends on level, if u mean mega millions than yeah duh

[@NankitaBR]

@@boroprikaza2138 Except people don't die when they lose the lottery.

[@William1w1]

It might make sense if these sorts of shooters were logical actors interested in self preservation. Then it would be like nuclear deterrence between nations in that if everyone were armed, nobody would open fire in public for fear of being shot in return. The problem is that most of these men have a death wish.

[@pchiare]

I wish people would remember Emantic Bradford's killing. He brought out his gun to defend himself / protect others (he was active military, I believe) during a mall shooting in Alabama. But he was shot, instead of the actual perpetrator / perpetrators (I don't quite remember the exact details). The difference between Emantic and the 'good guy with a gun' in this situation? Emantic was a black man. So a police officer shot him, instead of the assailants. Man was active duty military, protecting his own life and others, and the reaction of police was to immediately kill him for being the 'good guy with a gun'. Let that sink in when you consider that the outcome in this situation in Indiana was 'good'. You get to be a good guy with a gun - as long as you look the part to law enforcement.

[@greenbackjack768]

A cursory Google search will show that it has happened plenty of other times in instances where the "good guy" bends down to remove the gun from the attackers arms, or to eject the chambered round/ remove the magazine to make sure the gun isn't a danger anymore. Sucks that this has to happen at all.

[@TheSquareOnes]

That was right down the road from where I lived at the time, I believe one of my wife's coworkers was there with his family (probably on the other end of the mall at least, they were fine aside from the whole "hearing gunshots in the mall you're in" thing). Nothing to add to this very good point, just chiming in with the usual "this can happen to literally any of you reading this right now, we should probably address the problem at some point" humanizing comment.

[@divineterabyte5181]

Its sad that civilians have to regularly do the duty of trained officials, and that trained officials have almost solely been reported to make these instances worse

[@Big_Dip1]

Remember it all too well, very sad situation.

[@SFGiantsfan9797]

I actually remember that. I hate how he was trying to save the day and the cops shot him.

[@Spood6]

Virgin 400 Uvalde cops VS Chad one guy with a gun

[@Liam-vb3xo]

The fact that we have to hope there's someone there with a gun willing to stop a shooting is awful.

[@Necroskull388]

Police won't do it.

[@adambougher4992]

You’re not saying anything. It’s just a reflection of a concept about standing up for your neighbor.

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

When I as European hear of these things, I often think to myself: ''Why do Americans want their own country to become a warzone so badly? Are guns more important to them than civility and security?''

[@Liam-vb3xo]

@@adambougher4992 I can clarify, the fact that we need to rely on random strangers to prevent mass shootings rather then actually helping people before they get to the point of committing a mass shooting is awful. That or any meaningful background checks before purchasing a weapon legally.

[@Liam-vb3xo]

@@InfiniteDeckhand the problem is that since guns are so wide spread, people believe having more of them would increase civility and security.

[@tom5505]

"if you didn't have those fantasies it's OK, you're probably trans" Fucking sent 💀💀

[@herenyahope8745]

This is my local mall, it’s so scary when the shooting is in your neighborhood. My best friend, (THE DAY AFTER HER WEDDING!) and my dads best friend (basically my uncle) were both there an hour before the shooting, the fact I could have lost both of them makes me choke up

[@fauxparadox]

Same here, I had to call my dad while at work basically 3 miles away because that's exactly where he and my sister would be... It's scary shit man...

[@pancakedaddypro]

This shooter was my fcking neighbor.

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

Was like slowly getting weirder with time before this? Or just your normal average Joe?

[@armassilenciosasparaguerra1668]

Poor thing.

[@Liam-vb3xo]

Really scary shit. People can cite stats on how rare it is for you to die in a shooting, but it's still very worrying.

[@fauxparadox]

The shooting happened about 5 minutes from my work while I was working. It was crazy to hear how fast the information spread and suddenly everything was dead. Just some occasional cars passing by but nobody wanted to go anywhere on a weekend afternoon... If anyone's curious the mall took all of 1 day to reopen even though people that work there told me there's still fucking bullet holes. Also, I really hate that this guy is called a "good Samaritan" no, he's not going out of his way to do something nice for someone. He's fighting for his fucking life. It was him or the shooter.

[@armassilenciosasparaguerra1668]

You are jelous.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

@Armas And you need to touch grass.

[@fauxparadox]

@@armassilenciosasparaguerra1668 I literally said he's a hero I just take issue with downplaying his actions. How is wanting this guy to be a fucking local legend rather than "some good person" a bad thing???

[@TheCamps10]

​@@fauxparadox Don't mind him, this guy might literally, unironically, dead-seriously be mentally ill. He probably didn't even fully understood your comment.

[@ravenhopkins347]

Yes but him stopping the shooting saves lives so, it’s okay to give him praise

[@unvergebeneid]

If you didn't fantasise about stopping a school shooter, you probably didn't go to school in the US. Luckily, I never had to think about school shooters even _once_ during my entire elementary, middle and high school career. Which I would imagine to be as unfathomable for someone growing up in the US as having regular active shooter drills in an elementary school is for me.

[@davitdavid7165]

As a European I never got that. I have fantasies, but not these ones.

[@tomisaacson2762]

America: land of the free Lmao

[@tortellinifettuccine]

As a European that moved to the usa, yes I literally would imagine me stopping a school shooter, especially considered the school I went to had received multiple threats. And that's why I don't live in the usa anymore

[@Big_Dip1]

I fantasized about jumping out the damn window. I'm no gun-toting hero and wouldn't want to be. I do value people who do the training and are responsible gun owners though like this Chad. It's sad we live in a world where it's so easy for young impressionable people to buy firearms. I'm completely terrified of guns and it seems like everyone is getting one now and that's extremely alarming to me.

[@B727X]

No, I never thought of it in school in USA because I understood statistics at a young age

[@rosestrohm7986]

No joke not an hour later I get a Garand Thumb video about this guy "How to stop a mass shooter: how a HERO stopped a tragedy" or something

[@SaraphDarklaw]

I’m subbed to him and saw that too. I was disgusted with him selling the fantasy.

[@brotherbrod]

i saw one from the Brandon gun guy the next day on my way to work and it was infuriating.

[@rosestrohm7986]

@@SaraphDarklaw he's a conservative. Im not really surprised

[@YokaiX]

@@brotherbrodBrandon Herrera the AK guy?

[@alexanderwiggins2289]

Statistics, the greatest bane of conservatives

[@dynamicworlds1]

What about media literacy or the addictive flavor of boot leather?

[@blackomega4061]

They only know one statistic, and it’s “13/50”

[@than217]

The bystander fired 10 shots and 8 of them hit the mass shooter. Just wild that he was that good.

[@tortellinifettuccine]

More wild that he shot 10 times, there's no fucking reason to shoot that much, it's a gun, shoot them once, and they're done.

[@phillgornall2296]

It must be so comforting for every 15 mass shootings there might be a good guy with a gun. Not to stop the 16th, but to so slightly fewer people die.

[@Ojja78]

It's not 1 in 16 that the gunman is killed by someone at the scene. There are hundreds of mass shootings a year and this is the first instance I've heard of, so it's more like 1 in 2,000

[@charlesandrews2360]

Police were on the scene in Dayton when the mass shooter opened fire. The police killed the mass shooter 32 seconds after he started firing. Dayton Police killed a mass shooter 32 seconds after he began shooting. He killed NINE people. Wounded SEVENTEEN others. So much for good guy with a gun.

[@kirstyc2176]

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 you mean like other countries that are gun free zones and don't deal with this?

[@firefly9838]

Well rounding up all the guns in America is impossible so it's going to have to work

[@charlesandrews2360]

@@firefly9838 You don't have to round up all the guns. just make people keep them at home. A better case scenario would be to require military assault weapons to be stored in a licensed secure facility. Best case scenario is just to ban military assault weapons. There are better doable options than just giving everyone a gun. That's absurd

[@jacksonmahuron]

This happened really close to where I live. My gf almost went there like she does most sundays. I’m glad someone was there but a good guy with a gun is not the solution to mass shootings.

[@cruisindownthestreetinmy6490]

jesus

[@dereinzigwahreRahl]

Well yeah, 350 shootings already this year and one got stopped by a good guy with a gun, doesn't make this sound like a good solution, especially since 3 people still got killed? Luckily your gf wasn't there this time.

[@jeff702]

It was literally the solution

[@TheSquareOnes]

@@jeff702 Witty, but did you actually not understand the point? "Expecting a good guy with a gun to always be there and react perfectly should not be our national defense plan against mass shooters." It working out well one time is not really a counterargument to that stance.

[@samuelmerkel2888]

@@TheSquareOnes What is though

[@harpoonmcfierce9697]

Conservatives will keep using instances like these to support the whole "good guy with a gun" but will never admit these are outliers and very rare

[@linzlsleepy1627]

In a world where there are more shootings than days in a year, I only remember hearing of two. And then one in Alabama where the cops thought the good guy was the shooter and killed him first.

[@camerongalles8617]

This should be used to show how fucking stupid and harmful "gun free zones" are

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@linzlsleepy1627 and then the shooter kill the best guys with guns... the cops.

[@Indoor_Carrot]

The attacker obtained his gun legally. But theybdont want you to talk about that

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@Indoor_Carrot also, those 3 people who died, I'm sure they appreciate the good guy with gun for stopping the shooter after they got murdered.

[@killiancoen1452]

For those wondering, this lad broke no law in carrying a concealed firearm into the mall; Indiana has constitutional carry.

[@YokaiX]

Crazy thing is, if this happened in a non CC State, he'd be in big legal trouble after saving the day.

[@AnimeGIFfy]

Damn, thinking about being a good guy with a gun while being in school is such an american thought lmao

[@doriandundee9906]

Yes, a very typical, irrational American idea.

[@SuupaNinja]

Finally someone my age is the good guy with the gun and not fucking mass murdering

[@JohnDoe-xv9du]

yep, the first in 10,000

[@lightningmonky7674]

Seriously all these lonely 20 something year olds are giving us a bad rap! We're not ALL insane 😭🤣

[@SuupaNinja]

@@lightningmonky7674 FOR REAL DUDE

[@firefly9838]

Bruh I was starting to think I was the crazy one for being in my 20s and NOT committing mass shooting. Was like am I the crazy one?

[@lightningmonky7674]

@@firefly9838 look man not gonna say what they did was right AT ALL I can just say as a lonely 22 year old I get it 😭😭 I try to stay a grounded left leaning empathetic "enlightened" individual but when it just seems like the whole world is against you, women won't look twice your way, and even common people only seem to want to walk all over you the sadness starts turning into rage

[@gwexgwex1230]

Mass shootings at schools and malls are sad. If only they happened at CPAC, NRA conventions, and in hedge fund broker office buildings

[@adambougher4992]

It’s a good thing that humans are fighting are constant good verses evil battle where the lines are clearly drawn

[@austinhernandez2716]

It did happen to Republicans once at a ball game I think

[@adambougher4992]

Damn.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

What does CPAC stand for?

[@WarningBFG-isHiring]

They’re the ones with the guns so they probably want it to happen to push their political agenda. You should go and try it at an NRA convention and see what happens.

[@reincarnatedwolfgod]

An actual good guy with a gun situation is like getting a shiny pokémon encounter. It can happen but you can’t rely on it happening due how rare it is. conservatives media have finally encountered their metaphorical shiny Pokémon.

[@vogelvogeltje]

The exception, not the rule

[@zleeven]

Its not only a shiny pokemob, but a legendary shiny pokemon with perfect ivs and evs.

[@luchotenks2310]

Conservatives just want to make real life a Nuzlocke. Change my mind.

[@Sentient_Blob]

I finally got a shiny Ralts with modest nature after 4298 breeding attempts

[@reincarnatedwolfgod]

@@thinkharder9332 Lets say we eliminate the rarity we still have a big problems. These shootings are chaotic. the good guy can be mistaken for a bad guy by another good guy or a cop. on top of that the good guy could miss and end up shooting someone else. This particular incident had an ideal good guy with a gun.

[@Sionnanful]

I hate that people are going to try to use the “good guy with a gun” narrative when 3 people still died and a few injured. We shouldn’t HAVE to pack heat everywhere we go, but I’m starting to believe that, since this was like 5 minutes from where I live, I just might need to. Like I don’t wanna be thinking about going to bath and body works or hot topic only to have to sh00t a “bad guy.”

[@YokaiX]

We shouldn't have to. But we might need to.

[@dinklezucc5982]

Okay 8/10 shots on a skinny, prob bladed target at 40 yards with an iron sights handgun is really impressive.

[@harrybellingham98]

i can see more 'good guys with guns' appearing to the point if another shooting occurs they won't be able to identify which guy with the gun is the bad one

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

And also if shootings will occur more frequently in general.

[@Ojja78]

This has already happened and is one of the issues with this idea.

[@charlesandrews2360]

@@Ojja78 Seems like a lot of times it comes down to what the guy with a gun looks like. Whether he's a good guy or bad guy.

[@firefly9838]

Once you down the initial shooter.... holster your weapon until the cops get there and help/administer first aid if you can I'm sure people will figure out you're not the main shooter

[@charlesandrews2360]

@@firefly9838 that doesn't help if you're in the middle of still trying to down the shooter when the cops show up

[@deadcaliph6414]

It's good how little we know about the shooter, at least right away. He wanted some attention before he died, and thought he would die quickly. I like that most of the media was around the guy that stopped him, and ensured the attackers exit to Hell was a slow and painful one. What little we know about the attacker is enough for most people. He left a suicide note on 4Chan with photos including N@z1 wedding. It seems he thought that his life would've been better if if were under the Axis. If that were the case, his dad would probably been more encouraged to beat him and his warehouse job would've been offshored to literal slaves in camps, once again making an eviction a certainty. Reactionaries lose even when their wishes do come true. He's an angry, stupid shrimp who deserved no sympathy. S******* should be resurrected only for the pleasure of the town to punish him again and again. This goes for R**** and will go for C***.

[@th3litgods]

Who are these censored names? Previous shooters?

[@skeletorpfunk6342]

Sounds like you knew him pretty well

[@All4Randomness1]

@Rune Kristensen Yeah, and also displayed a shocking degree of sadism and malice. Like, woah.

[@deadcaliph6414]

@Rune Kristensen It is based on surface level information. We don't know things like what he tries to hide by damaging his computer and phone. But we know enough about his personality and upbringing that he's not 'insane'. He knew what he was doing.

[@NankitaBR]

Even in this example where there *was* a "good guy with a gun" 5 people got shot and 3 died, so that's objectively not a good outcome.

[@YokaiX]

Indeed. It's merely better than the potentially higher kill count/spree the shooter could've went on. Lesser of two evils moment.

[@Cream147player]

This is the typical reality of a good guy with a gun can look like on those rare occasions it works at all. Some lives saved, still 3 people dead. Make no mistake, the guy who shot the shooter is a hero. An extremely rare kind of person who steps up and puts their own life at risk to save others. The majority of people are more like the Uvalde cops when crisis strikes. The lesson to learn here of course is that America are currently in a barbaric scenario where you're relying on armed civilians to restrict the odd mass shooting out of the constant flow down to only 3 dead. It has been shown time and time again that the solution to gun violence is gun control - I know Vaush is not a fan of this fact but that doesn't change it from being so. The USA has a cultural illness with regards to guns which means that gun control to a sensible level seen in most Western countries (i.e. very few civilians owning guns and strict conditions surrounding ownership) is not possible, but surely something can be done.

[@wargriffin5]

After you've given away all your own guns, I want you to think about how now you're stuck waiting for the Uvalde PD to NOT respond remotely fast enough to save you.

[@GolemRising]

@@wargriffin5 If we have all given up our guns, we wont have to. The shooter will be as gunless as the rest of us. Or did you forget that the shooter bought his ARs?

[@wargriffin5]

@@GolemRising There's a black market for everything. Did you forget that people can 3D print guns now?

[@GolemRising]

@@wargriffin5 Ok, but they dont generally. You can homebrew a gun out of pipes and old fertilizer but that wont be as easy as just buying it and grabbing it off the shelf when you feel the urge to murder. The vast majority of people who do these kind of shootings do it as a spur of the moment thing after fantasizing about it. They generally dont have the energy or money to do 3d printing of firearms and even if they did thats the sort of red flag that people could look for. Australia did a massive gun buyback and their gun violence plummeted. So did their suicide rate. One of the reasons the US's gun violence is so out of control is that guns are everywhere, legal, and easy to get. Whenever the urge comes up to hurt yourself or someone else, well the gun is right there ready to go.

[@felwinter7883]

@@GolemRising ah yes the typical " no guns allowed " tactic always works for the bad guys yeah?

[@MouseTheGoblin]

It’s genuinely terrifying, I was supposed to go to the mall with my oldest sister to celebrate holding such a difficult job But I couldn’t go that day, and this happens

[@drexcarratala5290]

damn that's heavy as fuck but I'm glad your safe

[@mikeyahl7363]

My brother-in-law graduated with the shooter. He never knew the guy personally, but he said he always thought he seemed sketchy & asocial. Clearly, red flags went ignored by the adults in his life.

[@camerongalles8617]

Don't like people like you. You sound like someone who would support a minority report type system

[@stirlingmatheson2005]

This stuff happens often not saying I’m not against stricter gun control or anything. It just happens and most the time it’s not picked up by national media.

[@NankitaBR]

"Soft pretzels" here are just called "pretzels", and "hard pretzels" are included in "snacks" like chips and stuff...

[@monkerud2108]

in Norway we had a similar kind of shooting recently at a gay bar, but there unarmed bystanders took him down without any guns.

[@turkeyfortress2301]

Vaush is such a scrub. Only a triple backflip? Can't believe he wouldnt even do a 360 no scope karate chop while winking at his crush. I have lost all respect for this man.

[@worsethanyouthink]

Fun fact, pizza dough is just pretzel dough but it isn't boiled. There's another fun fact, a real pretzel is boiled before baked. (And typically is very very slightly a wetter dough to make it twistable)

[@TheBlazersfan22]

I call it lucky. Good guy with a gun is very rare. He is lucky he saw the shooter, and was in the right spot. Also saw the man walking out with a gun.

[@adambougher4992]

There is an element of luck to every high pressure situation. It’s not a movie

[@TheBlazersfan22]

Yea, but he could have been shopping, and not in spot he was at. Or , just walking into the mall , or wasnt there.

[@KingOpenReview]

1:10 Most of my violent fantasies involve transphobes.

[@RasrunV]

The soft pretzel stunlock was so fucking necessary I'm not even joking. Food of the gods fr.

[@Dexanimus]

This is nuts to me. There are MANY good guy with a gun stories. We can acknowledge that AND recognize good guys with guns don’t replace sensible policy. We need both.

[@ericHHII]

John Hurley and K’aun Green were both “good guys with guns” who were then mistaken for gunman and shot by police. John died

[@goodvibestv5380]

Vaush’s commentary on this is top tier dark humor and exactly why I watch Vaush

[@charlesandrews2360]

The movie theater analogy is happening all over the country. Everyday I read about mass shootings at places where people are gathering. Police always claim it was because of an altercation that escalated. The problem is that there are so many people with guns that as soon as one shot is fired, everyone in the crowd pulls out their gun and starts shooting. This video was recorded before a lot of the information came out but there's something very hinky and suspicious about the account that authorities give. I won't have any confidence about how this thing went down until we see security video. If it went down the way they said it did, then credit to the guy who stopped the killing, but giving everyone a gun is not a solution to ending mass gun violence but increases overall gun violence to the extreme.

[@TheCamps10]

​@@thinkharder9332 You are not engaging, can you give an example of a gang encounter that resulted in a MASS SHOOTING? You're literally arguing in a reality that doesn't exist. What happens if there are 4 good guys with a gun zeroing in on a mass shooter's position? Do you think it's only the shooter getting killed in that scenario?

[@TheCamps10]

​@@thinkharder9332 Here we go 1. Fine, I'll grant you that. Unfortunately, it's not the gang fights that concern innocent law-abiding citizens. 2. And wrong, unless they pre-organized, the four armed guys will only see more than one armed guy as soon as they see eachother. That is of course, unless your idea is that the good guy would have to wait to see the shooter kill someone first, which, idiotic risk, but if that were the case, how would they know they're seeing the mass shooter and not the good guy with a gun?

[@pedroff_1]

London's Stratford mall used to have a Mr. Pretzel stall just outside Levi's, and, whenever my family would buy stuff in there, I'd always get some free samples of the cinnamon soft pretzels. Those are amazing

[@isuckatusernames4297]

well, now you know where the holes come from

[@doriandundee9906]

Now you gotta worry about getting shot over a prezel... TOTAL... FREEDOM... Can anybody tell me why Americans pretend to live in the most free society on earth? I can't march in support of Hitler on the streets in my country but I can get myself a prezel or go through an entire educational career (15 years+) without seeing a gun outside of a sports competition... I know... totally lame. Meanwhile... you people... YES, YOU people... are considering what cover dive behind in case some rando crackhead decides today is the day.

[@beepyou34]

I've been in that food court before. This one hits close to home.

[@cryb0rg]

This was right by my house. Going to this mall literally today to get new glasses. Whenever I'm there I'm paranoid now.

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

The guy dropped him from 40 yards and hit 8/10 shots. With cop accuracy to hit the shooter 8 times like 6 cops would have to mag dump into him lmao. Was this guy like a fucking navy seal going to a mall dairy queen or something?

[@gaminikokawalage7124]

@Lovesongs M. mf was the protagonist

[@the-lag-gamerita5446]

He's an anime protagonist.

[@linzlsleepy1627]

Now that you mention it, that would be plausible. I feel like it would mention that in the news though, unless it would make his identity too obvious.

[@seanfoley974]

Just a guy who knows how to shoot

[@Ryukuro]

@@linzlsleepy1627 some sources literally released his full name, so I don't think that's a concern.

[@Timbecillus]

I was also confused at first, but here in Germany, soft pretzels are just... pretzels.

[@vidyagaems4063]

Bad guy had a rifle, good guy had a handgun. Rifle more gun than handgun. Therefore less guns = more good.

[@ricardobarahona3939]

Overall yeah, but it works best with a stable society, which can happen with good policy over a period of time. The safety in many wealthy countries didn’t exist 100 years ago and for most of human history there was more violence with minimal accountability of bad people.

[@nos9784]

@@ricardobarahona3939 there still isn't much accountability for bad people, they have just found it's easier to do the evil deeds through money.

[@FoxFighter-HellBringer]

My high school sold soft pretzels at lunch. I never bought one, but I definitely conned my friends into giving me a piece every so often.

[@imperatorvult]

tangentially related: a soft pretzel with beer cheese dip is nice.

[@lw3764]

Soft pretzels are absolutely on the radar on the midwest, but maybe because most of us here have German ancestry.

[@chillypepperjr]

This happened in virginia like right after uvalde too, except i think it was like a bbq because virginia

[@cerealbox7872]

I used to joke around with my friends in highschool about which of the most angry and unstable boys were going to be the school shooter. Good thing my school wasn't shot up, yet i guess. It's an inevitability at this point.

[@TrentonF505]

America: hehe you guys have never fantasized about stopping a school shooting? Other countries: … no

[@cookies23z]

I chuckled, my mine goes to the same place Anytime you get on the news just spew out shit like "its a disgrace that *I* had to personally do something instead of the paid and trained police force. Fucking cowards, do your job or quit"

[@streetsahead6755]

Greenwood mall actually Hella busy most of the time

[@seff6533]

I literally live an hour from greenwood and was suppose to go to that mall the day that happened.

[@Big_Dip1]

He shot him 8 out of 10 shots fired at 40 yards away...he was skilled and he acted as well as someone in that position could. I hate gun culture in America, but I am grateful for sane responsibe gun owners who know wtf they're doing and save lives.

[@skeletorpfunk6342]

This type of scenario has happened before in a church a couple years back And to be fair to that guy he had the reflexes of wild bill hickock

[@killiancoen1452]

"Soft pretzels are the food of the Gods." Best take he's had in his whole career.

[@YokaiX]

Soft cinnamon pretzels for the upper echelon lol

[@wizardlizard1875]

I go to greenwood mall all the time this shit is so terrifying

[@AzureGreatheart]

It’s good that lives were saved here, but this is going to make the topic of preventing mass shootings even more insufferable than it already was.

[@Thesngian]

I mean it didn't really get prevented. 3 people died and others were injured. Injuries that may change their lives forever. It maybe got cut short.

[@danieltobin4498]

@@Thesngian Exactly, it got cut short it wasn’t prevented

[@NoFace-Killah]

He may be praised for the rest of his life, but odds are with our collective attention spans, people will forget about him in a few weeks.

[@deadeels7159]

Used to work at this mall. They’d give free pretzels to mall employees.

[@avocadocrumch]

bababooey

[@thekingoffailure9967]

omg based

[@mikeyahl7363]

This is not how I want my hometown remembered. I grew up in this town. I went to this mall with my friends as a teen. I lived within walking distance of this mall for nearly a decade. The fact that it happened so close to me, at a place I MIGHT have gone to that day (if it weren't for COVID), just absolutely destroys my mind.

[@mrmaniac3]

Hey I mean the town I've lived nearby my entire life is remembered for burning down and being called Pleasure California by the president. Anywhere anything happens will be remembered for unfathomably reductive and stupid things.

[@Nightsmith_After_Dark]

It already is happening had a republican guy share this and argue this is why guns are good. We all went so guns are good cause they stop guns, then he threw a hissy fit and left.

[@XxHaZeModsxX]

Holy shit this my city

[@TheGkmasta]

There was a "good guy with a gun" incident in a Lancaster PA mall in Oct 2021. I guess it didn't get as wide coverage because there weren't any casualties (just non-fatal wounds) and the guns debate wasn't as heated at that time.

[@manicpopeify]

Is that the one where the shooter killed himself after backed into stairwell

[@isuckatusernames4297]

I feel like this debate has always been heated.

[@TheGkmasta]

@@manicpopeify No, the shooter survived. Also, guess I should clarify there was no intent of mass shooting. Someone drew a gun during a fight but they did hit a bystander and it could have been worse if the "good guy" didn't intervene.

[@TheGkmasta]

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 I think sky high gun prices are disarming the poor more than any narrative.

[@JCAtkeson3]

The question is, how many people did the Samaritan's gun bring back to life? 2 guns = 4 dead. 0 guns = 0 dead.

[@dragunov815]

What a surprise.

[@hermitcrack9091]

Vaush asking if Europeans don't eat soft pretzels was so violently offensive and smolbrained it almost made me puke

[@eliasE989]

Talking about a recent mass shooting and knowing very little about stuff outside your country. We're reaching critical levels of 'muricanism.

[@ProfLakitax]

Vaush: do Europeans not have preszlels? We just call them pretzels

[@austinhernandez2716]

But if the bad guy never got the gun in the first place then this would have never happened. People still died, so it was still a mass shooting.

[@anothercub6958]

But the Good Guy With a Gun™️ stopped him! That's all that matters to them. At least this and a possible future string of Good Guys with Guns™️ will be funny fuel for arguments concerning what the hell police are actually supposed to do.

[@Dsworddance22]

This is only one instance of the "good guy with a gun" is a solution... look at Uvalde and countless other shootings where the good guy with a gun did not stop the shooter efficiently.

[@gloomyloomy]

there weren’t any good guys with guns at uvalde

[@hagoryopi2101]

Gun free zones without proper security to back it up are all shooting sprees waiting to happen. Other than that, it's just a matter of time until more people get armed and attempts at mass shootings regularly end like this. At that point, why would a shooter even try?

[@SaraphDarklaw]

@@hagoryopi2101 This guy still managed to kill 3 before going down. This is your best case scenario.

[@hagoryopi2101]

@@SaraphDarklaw the best case scenario is a potential shooter being too demoralized by the sight of a big iron on every hip.

[@nos9784]

@@hagoryopi2101 best case, potential shooters get a life worth living instead actually shooting people...

[@Turquerina]

While the "good guy with a gun" cannot be a policy (besides, they can get mistaken for gunmen and subsequently shot), it's very important to remember... That soft pretzel tastes the best when they're paired with sour cream and a lemonade to go! That has been my Anne's Pretzel experience.

[@geislar7682]

I can't speak about other law enforcement policy, but as of 7 years ago, enlisted Military Police are trained specifically to haul ass to a mass shooting site and immediately breach and clear the building. We were told a large part of this strategy was developed from the Columbine shooting analysis.

[@tinycrimester]

every summer i wait for the traveling german merchants to come and bring me giant soft pretzels.

[@MrFirextinguisher]

This isn’t the first time an active shooter was stopped by a civilian w a gun you know

[@secondchance5914]

Heck I saw saw a guy open Cary in a shoe store in Indy

[@DrippyWaffler]

New Zealand does not have soft pretzels:(

[@c.m.9369]

The difference between me and conservatists seem to be one in basic philosophy. Their philosophy is: „Since we‘re not going to end our mass shooting pandemic, it‘s better that everybody has a gun to defend themselves.“ While my philosophy is: „Maybe we should just stop these mass shootings from happening that often.“

[@isuckatusernames4297]

yeah but they think this kind of thinking is commie think and an existential threat to them

[@andrewdominowski4631]

How do you stop mass shootings?

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@andrewdominowski4631 by making sure you don't live in a system where it's a daily occurence to begin with

[@andrewdominowski4631]

@@isuckatusernames4297 are you familiar with the term circular logic?

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@andrewdominowski4631 you do know perpetuating an endless cycle of violence isn't going to fix it ? again, any properly functioning country shouldn't have to rely on someone else to shoot a shooter before he kills anyone.

[@Fungil_]

The good samaritan is Vaush

[@alpaczka6078]

THIS WEEK IN USA.

[@billbutton8468]

My local shooting made it on vowsh's channel.

[@theduncandonut7576]

I thought that this was the third good guy with a gun

[@theduncandonut7576]

Wasn't there a shooting stopped last year at a church?

[@AuntieAntifa]

I’m from greenwood. The area is deep red. Our high school football team made headlines recently for a blackface incident. Also, sleuths have found 4chan posts by the shooter, that point to him being into naz i sm .

[@mikeyahl7363]

The demographics in Greenwood are mostly White, but we do have a very large Sikh, Asian, & Latino population. Most Black, Asian, & Latinos in Greenwood live in the neighborhoods immediately surrounding the mall, where I lived in middle/high school. The 20-yr-old shooter was, in fact, a White boy (SHOCKER), & several victims were Latino. Despite my shock, this really is no great surprise to me. I took public transit to college when I lived there, & I never felt less safe than when I was walking home from the mall bus stop.

[@wulfleyn6498]

I never knew soft pretzels were a thing and honestly seems kinda eh depending on what you mean by soft. Is it kinda like fresh baked baguette type of soft? Cuz that sounds pretty good.

[@XDarkLordXP]

You are correct, if you are responding to a shooting incident, the single most important thing for you to do is to make yourself a threat to the shooter so they start shooting at you (who is armored) and not the civilians.

[@meprivate6923]

I also kinda hope he's able to pull after this.

[@PaladinFeora]

I'm here to also advocate for soft pretzels.

[@PumpkinSpicePretzels]

The chances that a good guy dies increases when a good guy with a gun pulls it out or starts shooting at an assailant.

[@odst123451]

Plenty of good guy examples. You simply ignore them because they don’t get enough coverage so you don’t need to cover them.

[@armassilenciosasparaguerra1668]

Vaush chat is crazy.

[@Stable_Genius]

Old Navy? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@riseofthesugars5312]

Bro, if your in Southeast PA nobody will STFU about soft pretzels.

[@Xkay7]

dudes guns are good see look at this good guy with a gun anecdote !!

[@razorednight]

I'll bet those women thank everyone for everything now!

[@Shlooomth]

My local mall has an Apple Store and that’s the only reason I ever go there, to get my phone fixed or upgraded, and while I’m there waiting I might go get a pretzel or browse around at Brookstone for shits & giggles but yeah I feel like that’s the only reason anyone goes there lol. The other mall in my area does not have an Apple Store and it is truly dead.

[@BlackReshiram]

"do we know about the shooter/did he have a manifesto?" does it matter? imo its more important to not give this shooter guy too much attention and recognition lest crazy people are gonna misinterpret this as a celebritization

[@kilsoph398]

Dude I hope they don’t charge him. I get he likely wasn’t supposed to have it but if the dude saved lives, give him some fuckin slack. Dude killed someone to save lives AND protected them so they could get away. If anything, his good deed FAR makes up for carrying it. I get not wanting to let others take this as an example to carry but damn dude this dude actually saved lives.

[@YokaiX]

The law really doesn't care. That's the point of law and justice, to be indifferent. Even if you did the moral thing, but broke the law/it was illegal, you're getting charged. Unless you get pardoned. But for the record, this happened in a carry State so he actually didn't break the law in that State.