The Details Of The Oxford School Shooting Are Much, MUCH Worse Than You Think

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[@CrazyGiaky]

*_"'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"_* ~ The Onion (2014 - present)

[@madeconomist458]

Who's Anders Breivik?

[@Nessa-939]

@@madeconomist458 Key word being "regularly"

[@mechanomics2649]

@@madeconomist458 What don't you understand about "regularly happens"?

[@BazedLi]

@@madeconomist458 A white nationalist terrorist? whataboutism when it comes to kids being killed in school on the regular in the US, great!

[@yaboye3791]

@@madeconomist458 and how many shootings they had since then compared to USA?

[@isabellaciella1187]

To cite Alex Hirsch: "News outlets should have to refer to mass shooters simply as “Shooter #86, Shooter #87” etc. Never say their names, never show their faces, never promise future copycats a shred of glory, only present them as the grim growing statistic they are" So instead of saying the shooters name I will say the victims names: Tate Myre, 16, Madisyn Baldwin, 17, Hana St. Juliana, 14, Justin Shilling, 17. Rest In Power and Peace ✊✊✊✊

[@dipsheets]

I agree because people online will start to glorify these kids and it honestly just brings more to the situation

[@DriscolDevil]

@@dipsheets Yeah, the people that glorify these shooters will never do any extra steps to find out their name, they always just stick to what the news says. But yeah, would probably help to not make the celebrities, but the issue is that people need to know about their life and events leading to the shooting so people know the warning signs.

[@diobrando6910]

This is just pedantic BS that normies beat themselves off to. The majority of people who get into that sociopathic headspace don't give a shit about a bunch of randos knowing their name. They either care about if their actions inspired fear/awe, or that the people in their lives remember their name/actions. How KZbin user #9,999,999 repeats the same tired rhetoric like it's something profound is probably the furthest thing from their mind.

[@DriscolDevil]

@@diobrando6910 ok edgelord, I know you think you're an expert but some of us have done actual research. A desire to be famous is pretty common with a lot of these kids. Despite the mythology you like to believe about these people, they are not batman villains, they're kids with shallow desires and childish fantasies. Yes, they absolutely care how other people think of them, often to an unhealthy degree. I get the feeling you may have that issue too.

[@yandere8888]

@@DriscolDevil but how is that person wrong? do you think its more likely that there are mental issues causing them to act out or a desire for fame? i literally cant see any way for that kid to have turned out well with parents like that

[@johnnyb175]

Hilarious that the parents eventually couldn't get away because travel to Canada requires proof of vaccination.

[@Onus6688]

😂😂😂

[@DavidRichardson153]

Does Mexico do the same? I mean, I am willing to bet that the parents do not like anyone with even a hint of brown in their skin or anything that sounds Mexican but does not come out of a Taco Bell (this is pure imaginative speculation, and it will be nothing but this - unless details come out that show that they actually ascribe to it), but they strike me as Amy other right-winger who bashes Mexico - they will flee for there should they determine that it is the only way they can avoid the law.

[@geoffreybrunell5592]

@@DavidRichardson153 I mean, Michigan is much closer to Canada than Mexico. Don't get me wrong, the parents are pieces of shit, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that they're racist just because they didn't go to Mexico. There are much better things to criticize them over.

[@DavidRichardson153]

@@geoffreybrunell5592 I am not claiming that they actually are. It is just that given what we know about them, I would not put it past them. Still, like I said, it is purely imaginative speculation, and while there are plenty of cases that do ascribe to this, it will only be imaginative speculation with them unless such details are revealed about them.

[@yosephbuitrago897]

Geoffrey Brunell we are not saying they are racist because they didn’t go to Mexico, we are saying they probably wouldn’t go to Mexico because they are probably racist. They are rump supporters after all

[@MMaximuSS1975]

After hearing about his absentee parents they pretty much should have never had kids. A story came out that his parents used to go out to bars leaving him home by himself for years. A neighbor even placed an anonymous tip with Michigan child services because he would regularly ask them to call his parents while they were out having a good time while leaving him without a phone.

[@portella8097]

This is why I’m okay with them being charged, like holy shit talk about terrible parenting

[@MMaximuSS1975]

@@portella8097 I pity the child. Neglected for years really. This kind of story is very personal in a way. That's all I'll say about that. 😔

[@MMaximuSS1975]

@@adams6412 I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm saying he was abused. Then we have the unknown psychological disorders. If he's guilty so be it, and God doesn't exist so spare me the rhetorical drama. Wink. Wink.

[@snickeringpigeon4370]

@@adams6412 Nobody said they were nearly as bad as their son. Just because all deserve to be prosecuted by the law doesn't mean they will get the same sentences ffs. This is clearly child neglect and idk if storing a gun unlocked in their state is legal either.

[@pitdarkangel2961]

@@adams6412 "Hey, don't you think years of neglect and potential abuse had an effect on the bad mental state of this kid, which clearly impacted his decision to murder people?" "You sound like a eugenicist." Do you know what that word means?

[@madmammoth9022]

The fact that that news outlet tried blaming this mass shooting on falllout 4 is fucking insane and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. Those 4 people did not die because of the some NPC in fallout 4 quoting Oppenheimer.

[@kitshaffer363]

How are they coming to that conclusion just curious.

[@madmammoth9022]

@@kitshaffer363 by saying the quote originates from "a gory videogame" I.E. fallout 4

[@kitshaffer363]

@@madmammoth9022 Weird considering the quote didn't even come from the game but I guess they'll put out anything to make video game bad.

[@madmammoth9022]

@@kitshaffer363 that's literally what i said

[@kitshaffer363]

@@madmammoth9022 Oh yeah sorry lol

[@ZephyrDoesMedia]

My parents were more restrictive of internet access than these parents were of a firearm.

[@theearthisnotflat4398]

True I held a gun before I got a smartphone

[@normandy2501]

I honestly found it morbidly funny that my nephew was threatened with escalating consequences for making finger guns because he was bored in class; something boys would do all the time for dumb fun.

[@InsanityCorps]

"THE QUOTE CAN BE FOUND IN A VIDEO GAME" ... or, yknow, more famously Robert J. Oppenheimer. One of the creators of the nuclear bomb? Quoting indian religious text?

[@narikobeilschmidt]

yeeeeeep it's incredibly stupid finger pointing. most americans know the quote as "the oppenheimer quote" from history class

[@carlbradley3175]

No we can spin this, bois If we have to ban video games because that quote's in one, then we need to ban nukes since Oppenheimer said it too

[@FireStorm527]

Parents blame video games due to violence and criminality. Honestly , their opinions doesn't matter at all.

[@InsanityCorps]

@@carlbradley3175 oh yeah, not only can we get the games and the nukes, maybe those violent TV shows and movies. Actually, why not throw those evil, corrupting, printed-word novels as well. Remember, when the printing press was established, it was criticized as "contributing to the dumbing down of humanity"

[@ohteddyboyo]

To be fair, I heard the quote in the game first but was curious where it came from. So I googled it, and now I know more about it. And it's kinda interesting how "journalists" can look shit like that up and then think it's ok to leave out the origin

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

I always feared my kid would be the shooter. I watched for signs and absolutely no guns in the house. He’s past 30 today and doing a lot better. It’s like this shooter’s parents wanted something to happen.

[@dynamicworlds1]

I can't read their behavior in any other way, tbh.

[@Versace_sheets]

Sorry you had to go through that, even though I'm sure you love your child

[@DriscolDevil]

Glad to hear that. Nobody ever hears about the countless stories of parents seeing the warning signs and actually doing something to help their kid.

[@sofia5096]

If you don't mind me asking, what about your child made you nervous? It's just interesting to hear this from a parent

[@mr.irrelevent8956]

They sound like just insanely pro gun republicans

[@thenotsodiscretewolf2098]

So American conservative blame "video games" for events like this but in reality it the gun culture in the US what's to blame, as there's some western European countries with relaxed gun laws that don't have as many schools shooting or mass shooting.

[@connorqr]

Haven’t seen the video game discourse this time… yet 🙃 edit: it was literally later in the vid smfh cmon

[@_extrathicc]

"there's some western European countries with relaxed gun laws that don't have as many schools shooting or mass shooting." This is actually wrong. The correct thing to say is: "there's some western European countries with relaxed gun laws that don't have schools shooting or mass shooting."

[@dwi2921]

@@_extrathicc I mean, they DO happen. It's so rare as to be unnoticed.

[@demodiums7216]

It's mental health. The kid was literally hearing voices

[@connorqr]

@@demodiums7216 probably the voices of his parents subliminally wishing they could do what he did to all the “libs” in the town 😑 trust me I get it but in this case the gun and parents were most to blame

[@mechanomics2649]

Doing even a cursory google search for "Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds" shows results for Oppenheimer and his quoting of it. Nothing to do with video games shows up on the first page. It also seems like his quoting of it is fairly well known. The fact the media wants to attribute that quote to a video game is unbelievably disingenuous. Also acting like Fallout 1, 2, and NV are the only worthwhile games is a Gamer ™ level take.

[@justinokraski3796]

I mean it’s a badass quote that was also used in Watchmen

[@Joseph-vu7mg]

Nv is shot compared to f3

[@explodingcrack435]

@@justinokraski3796 it's originally from the fucking Bhagavad Gita which is over 3000 years old. It's a Hindu religious text written in Sanskrit ffs.

[@slime8177]

Vaush should start performatively crying when he describes the shooting so we understand he is anti-school shooting

[@babosanders5223]

you’re telling me he didn’t break down? what a bigot

[@Drkon6]

Vaush is marxist pro school shootist

[@Carlosdreamur]

Yeah vowsh is pro child murder

[@joeyjose727]

Is this a reference to something? Did someone say that?

[@MonarchMKUltra]

@@Carlosdreamur No he isn't, he just hasn't heard a good enough argument against child murder, except his own.

[@Matthew_Murray]

I agree straight to hell with both parents. This wasn't a case of tragedy that nobody could have seen coming, but a situation in which the parents chose to ignore warning signs and encourage their son's behavior by buying him a gun. The more you learn about what led up to the shooting the worse it gets.

[@normandy2501]

A lot of these rarely come across to me as something *nobody* could have seen coming. I don't know about kids today, but it would be hard for me not to notice that kid that gets constantly messed with or that has signs of a mental breakdown. Situational awareness alone would tell me to go ahead and miss the bus to school for a day or two and just make up the work. If the faculty wouldn't listen, then I'm straight up calling the police to tip them off. Fuck their opinions or negligence on the issue at that point.

[@TheJake0fTrades]

I grew up in the town next to Oxford. They were our football rivals. It's so close to home, but to be honest I just feel numb to it. Like every community has a story like this. I fucking hate how normal this is.

[@snickeringpigeon4370]

@@diydylana3151 Just wanted to say you have a beautiful name! Don't know if Dylana is your real name, but it's very pretty!

[@pitdarkangel2961]

@@diydylana3151 That's a pretty cute story as well

[@TheSquareOnes]

A few years ago there was a shooting in the mall down the road, one of my wife's coworkers was there at the time with his family. Granted I think it was just a targeted escalation between a couple people that happened to catch a few bystanders as well rather than a spree shooter just out to ruin as many lives as possible, but in either case I think my reaction would be the same "gee, that sucks." Probably says something about me too but these things are so common that they really aren't even newsworthy at this point, unless it affects you directly it's just mundane background noise no more traumatic than hearing about a car crash somewhere in the city.

[@TheAlmightyAss]

Guns aren't the problem though.

[@TheSquareOnes]

@@TheAlmightyAss Right, the problem is a culture of alienation and limited access to mental health care, plus extremist groups radicalizing these alienated and unwell people towards violence. It being ridiculously easy to get a gun isn't exactly helping things though, it's notable that countries without this many firearms lying around don't have as many mass shootings. I'm not sure what the solution is but for sure recognizing the problem would be a great place to start.

[@dwi2921]

You know, being a gun guy from Canada, I sometimes get envious of all the cool stuff the US has and want to move there. Then I remember that shit like this happens. Forget the fact I'm a left-wing fella and wouldn't be welcomed is most stores/ranges, I can deal with that. It's this stuff that really puts the kibosh on immigrating (other then the terrible health care). American gun culture is truly to blame here. Yes there are A LOT of guns. That is true and many of them are unaccounted for I'd bet. That is a problem. But it wouldn't be so much of a problem if the US gun community didn't preach that you are in danger ALL OF THE TIME! It wouldn't be so much of a problem if there was not this toxic machismo and ultra-nationalism around firearms. That you are some how a lesser entity without one. It wouldn't be so much of a problem, if the pervasive idea that you can solve ALL, NOT SOME, ALL of your problems/issues with a gun weren't so acceptable. It's freaky man.

[@Eat_shit--die_mad]

Yeah please don't move here, me and my friends are planning on fleeing in your direction if things get any worse here

[@dwi2921]

@@Eat_shit--die_mad I ain't great up here (especially if you are not white). But it's better than down there that's true.

[@Clam176]

Hey, our healthcare is actually really good. It's just prohibitively expensive.

[@pi172]

@@Clam176 Then its not good if only rich people can afford it.

[@austinhernandez2716]

YOU got FREE healthcare. You're cr@zy if you would give that up. The US has nothing to offer really.

[@thedarkcanuck3042]

I worked at a public school for ten years and if I suspected a weapon will in a pack I had every right to search it, but I live in Canada,and only had to do that once. He had an exact knife. I made the right call

[@dynamicworlds1]

Reminds me thay I knew a kid in school who always had a knife with her. She was stable and not really a risk of attacking anyone and always kept it in her purse, so I didn't mention it. I just mentally filed her purse away in my brain as one of the places I could go to get something to use as a weapon if the worst happened. It was a different kid entirely that I was watching with concern if he might do something. Thankfully he never did, but if it were to happen, like 85% chance it would have been him so I quietly payed close attention to the stability of his mental state.

[@EmmaSpAce111]

@@dynamicworlds1 yeah, a lot of girls/women/female presenting people carry knives or something similar (I do so myself) because of how much you are told about women being "caught unprepared" (Like you could always fight someone off, but it is nice to at least pretend you have a chance) by people who want to hurt them. So if I learn a woman has a knife way fewer red flags are raised than when someone fails the vibe check about guns and "joker moments" (I'm sure there is a better way to say that but I can't think of one that wouldn't be a bit much for a youtube comment)

[@Southboundpachyderm]

Yeah why is anyone not pointing out that it’s illegal to own a handgun if you’re under 21. They bought him the weapon which is also illegal.

[@Revan058]

It's actually a major felony, so...yeah. Major federal felony, too. They have the dad dead to rights on it, he's boned on bare minimum that charge, and it's a life-wrecker. To say nothing of the others, which have a very solid chance of sticking.

[@dynamicworlds1]

Possible that in the legal sense the handgun didn't belong to him, I think. Also, kinda a distraction from the bigger issues

[@TheGuardian_TM]

The kid didn’t own the firearm, regardless of what the arrangement was between & this kid. Legally, it was registered to one of the parents, & couldn’t legally make a private transfer until he was of age. Unless the prosecution can prove some sort of illegal transfer happened, they need to charge him as a juvenile & nail the parents, or charge him as an adult & release his parents from criminal liability.

[@Southboundpachyderm]

@@TheGuardian_TM I mean I agree with charging him as a child. Not an adult. I think that’s ridiculous but I’m sure I’ll get crucified for that.

[@TheGuardian_TM]

@@Southboundpachyderm It’s ridiculous that anyone under 18 is charged as an adult. As a society, we have set this arbitrary age of adulthood to determine most age based laws. Old enough to go to war, not old enough to drink alcohol or own a gun (in many states), but old enough to take out student loans that follow you forever. Either the brain is developed enough to make “adult decisions” or it is not. We need to respect whatever arbitrary age we set as adulthood as a matter of principle. 👎🏻 👎🏻 to the emotion based haters, who can’t form opinions based on logic & principle.

[@captainjules6033]

11:47 - So at 1;22 she texted her son saying “don’t do it” but the gun wasn’t found to be missing until 1;37. My high school was shot up the year after I graduated, and I still had friends in the school, so I was following the coverage minute by minute, and the shooters identities weren’t released until days later. The takeaway is that the mom knew before anyone could have told her that her son was doing the shooting. EDIT: WHOOPS HE LITERALLY SAYS THAT ONE MINUTE LATER. I’m an idiot.

[@FingerLickinEvilToTheBone]

Love how they didn’t talk about the distressing home situation first, but rather a single obscure line from a video game from a character who often quotes famous quotes. Great job reporters.

[@tristinmckinstry2992]

This shooting happened like 20 minutes away from where I graduated. The whole thing is fucked man. They found the parents in the basement of an industrial warehouse or some shit in Detroit. You know what else in Detroit? The Gordie Howe International Bridge that takes you to Windsor, Ontario. They also cleared out their bank account. Good luck to that lawyer who has to explain how these parents weren't running from law enforcement lmao.

[@TheBlazersfan22]

Thank god they didnt get into canada. We already enough crazy conservatives here. We dont need 2 more.

[@codemonster8443]

This right here, it's a fucking parody : 1. Child calls for help as obviously like drawing disturbing imagery and saying "help me" 2. Mother just says "don't do it ... Lol" 3. Father buys the kid guns and has children with 2 other mothers. This is like the prologue of the sequel to Fight Club.

[@afluffywhitekitty8589]

cannot imagine what the parents of the victims are going through. Just utterly unfathomable grief

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

It would be comical if children weren't dead.

[@Charolette21]

While this is truly awful, it's also a reminder that hack writing can also be disturbingly realistic.

[@ryanmitchell7347]

May I ask what hack writing is?

[@Charolette21]

@@ryanmitchell7347 It's cheap, quickly written, and low low quality.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

@@Charolette21 Still don't get it

[@musicalnotextr]

After the Trump presidency, my definition of “realistic” has shifted significant.

[@Charolette21]

@@musicalnotextr You got that right my dude!

[@1mintyboi]

The fact that the parents dont lock up the gun angers me. I grew up around guns and my father would put the guns in one safe, the bolts and receivers in another and the ammo in yet again a separate safe.

[@polskaoperator376]

What does that mean? The receiver and the gun are the same part?? Regardless, I agree it's super angering that they could think for even a second.

[@1mintyboi]

@@polskaoperator376 on his ar10 he would just separate the upper and lower reciever and put them in the bolt safe, which is impractical but he rarely uses it so I think it's kinda just a gun to be stored.

[@polskaoperator376]

@@1mintyboi Wtf?? That's super impractical and way over kill.

[@makokenji4350]

Isn't that a bad idea tho? I remember Bill Burr said that you don't want to have to run around assembling the strap when you need it.

[@polskaoperator376]

@@makokenji4350 To be fair assembling an AR-10/AR-15 is super easy, it can be done in seconds.

[@waka1834]

When i was in highschool, i graduated in 2014 in a small michigan town, they literally opened a gun store next to the high school a year before the sandy hook shooting

[@Versace_sheets]

Sheeeesh

[@sierras.4592]

"Fled for their own safety" is even more hilarious given that they were found squatting in some random building.

[@zerodollarbird]

They were actually being sheltered by the owner of the warehouse.

[@theorupturetan4670]

Something actually freaky, Oxford high school is only around 20 minutes from where I live and so their football team would play my high school’s team. I would call the games between the two on the radio and one of the four killed was a football player when was on the field when I called the games. It just hit way to close there.

[@alexander4566]

why do we even have different punishments for children if we just say screw it and try them as adults all the time.

[@yensid4294]

The mom has been popped for writing bad checks--twice. The dad had DUIs & was caught driving on a suspended license. I suspect the parents in this case have some substance abuse/alcoholism issues & aren't exactly making logical, adult responsible decisions. Case in point, they ditched their arraignment & were going to try to run & leave their kid to face murder charges all alone.

[@somedudeok1451]

Oh God, I just found out that I was still supporting The Jimmy Dore Show on patreon, back from when I thought Jimmy was doing good work. Well, that's fixed.

[@dynamicworlds1]

Oops! Good catch, though, and yeah, he wasn't always as much of a problem as he is now. You're far from alone in being a former viewer. A huge portion of his audience has left and been replaced in the last 5ish years.

[@dynamicworlds1]

@@Koh9034 I suspect we're about at the point where there's no longer a distinction between those anymore, tbh.

[@somedudeok1451]

@@dynamicworlds1 Heh. You may even call it a Great Replacement! Sry. ^^

[@somedudeok1451]

@@Koh9034 I used to think that he's honest about his increasingly crazy ideas. But ever since Shaun exposed him for deceptively editing that article, I wouldn't put full on grifting past him.

[@AndaraBledin]

Fun fact! The 'desinsitization' and 'excitement' that happens to people who play violent games is *the same* as that found with people who play *competitive sports* such as football or hockey.

[@AH-vm8yo]

Place your bets now is Destiny gonna be against charging the parents since vaush is for it?

[@spongebobsquarepants7788]

obviously not, he’d never go that far out of his way to have a retarded take he might be spiteful but he’s not stupid. these parents are legitimately insane

[@Eden-LikeTheGarden-Rama]

You're under arrest for DDS-posting.

[@Z-O-D-I-Y-A-K]

“Practicing his Kubrick stare” had me laughing haha

[@evankelley1204]

I grew up in Oakland county and in my high school someone made a school shooter joke and the police were at his house the same day

[@aperfecttool257]

Homely this is on the school as well. I got pulled in to my principals office at 17 and interrogated (and yes, that's what it was) about if I was thinking of violence or if I knew someone who was. And I was just on the list they found. Nah, looking up ammo would have for you suspended in 2007, because schools (at least last I checked) have security measures that typically limit students internet access. So, by using his phone, he would have broke that. Did a cop not get called? How,

[@jidk6565]

It's honestly terrifying to hear my state talked about so often with a tragedy I just moved back with my husband and this happens...came here to feel safer and now we're even more worried about having kids

[@ologyofeverything]

Living in Michigan as well I feel the same.

[@emberleering]

Just throwing my hat in the ring, as it comes to violent video games; I been playing them since I was 13-14, had friends which started when they were 10. We live in a place where it isn't too uncommon for people to carry around knives (for actual, productive use, not for threats of stabbing). ONLY time I heard of a school stabbing in Sweden was in 2015, when a guy armed with a sword(???) and knife went to a school in Trollhättan and attacked people. 5 people were attacked, 3 died in connection to the attack. It was the worst attack we ever had in Sweden, and it was the first death in an attack since 2001. (Just to add to the attack itself; the knife man got shot to be stopped, going through his home the cops found evidence of it being a racist hate crime and the school was picked since the high amount of immigrated kids in it, and our big, far-right party which waves nazi flags 25 years ago or so claimed the racist attacker actually were a victim and just tried to defend his country...) TLDR; Of all the violent video game players I ever known, I've yet to meet 1 who done a violent crime, lethal nor non-lethal. People need to put time on the actual issues.

[@Bob_games103]

There is no causal relationship between violence and video games, the only correlation is that violent people are attracted to violent video games. Research it for yourself, just use actual scientific sources, and not Christian parental advocates who have never played a violent video game in their life.

[@dude12311]

I mean, I grew up with firearms and would look up ammo at school. But it is really based on the parents way of raising you. Firearm safety and discipline are important lessons learned early on. I had easy access to all firearms in the house, but was obviously well behaved and responsible with a firearm by my teenage years. This case is really based on the parents based on the obvious signs and poor parenting.

[@momothunder9544]

Again that's how it is for a majority of folks with firearms. A majority are responsible but the issue is for that slim few. Guns need to be regulated more closely out here

[@polskaoperator376]

Damn, imagine hopping on ammoseek mid class...

[@Versace_sheets]

Facts

[@OM-wl7qe]

Get off your high horse you were badly parented yourself

[@dude12311]

@@OM-wl7qe Maybe based on your views of guns, but I was taught with strict rules on guns. Many of my friends had their own gun racks. Some were responsible for keeping coyotes and foxes out of the chicken coop. I was taught to be ready for an emergency and how to hunt. Rural America is full of armed teenagers, millions even. I do believe behavioral health checks and background checks on the family could stop these things from happening though.

[@Fluttersniper]

Holy shit, either those news channels didn’t know about Oppenheimer’s famous quote, or that’s the most blatant propaganda I’ve ever seen.

[@ararepotato1420]

That reach by Kim was longer than Marth's grab range in smash bro's melee!

[@PowerOf47]

Coming from south east michigan i was very sad to hear about the shooting, but it never clicked with me how close it was until i watched the vigil they held on the news. In the past year, i've been driving north from where I live and would drive by this movie theater with an old looking design on it with it spelling out the city's name vertically with lights all around it. It always stood out to me because it was so nice and the traffic light is typically red when i pass through. When I saw that theater in the background of the vigil it made me even more upset, because I know people from that area, if i don't know people who go to or went to that school, then I know people whose friends go/went there. the fact it could have been one of them only heightened the sadness that I already felt for the victims.

[@carolyntalbot947]

Mark my words, this young man was being sexually/psychologically abused, and no one made the effort to help him--including his selfish, distant and immature mother who has no business raising a child even if she isn't a particularly bad person and loves her son. This is so tragic it's almost unbearable to think about; I can't help wondering if his mother knew something was happening to her child but was overwhelmed by her responsibility and failed to protect him from his abuser--she may have been a victim of abuse herself, especially considering she wasn't capable of intervening for the sake of her own kid. Now her son is lost forever and has taken the lives of his classmates forever--so many lives are irreparably ruined, including hers. This is the very _definition_ of tragedy--abuse is the driving force behind everything that's wrong with our society, and until we disrupt the cycle it will only continue to cause avoidable suffering and destruction. Note: Vaush sounds a little callous here, but I know he empathizes with the victims--this segment caught him in a mood.

[@elysahatestostudy9364]

Death by a thousand paper cuts, except each paper cut is cleaved with a fucking greatsword.

[@lietz13]

33:36 "All Fallout games after 1 and 2 are bad" >:( "Except for New Vegas" :)

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

That Kim Iverson clip is certainly something

[@Black_Caucus]

I normally wouldn’t agree with it, but the circumstances of this case are so extraordinary, charging the parents is what any responsible prosecutor would do based on these set of facts.

[@jatbird855]

Yeah a kid in my school literally had a hit list and had a rumor about having a gun spread and the kid wasn't searched or anything

[@ashamak7083]

I actually disagree with the ammunition bit. It's not particularly unusual to explore all the aspects of something new. And a new gun is a big thing. So alone it's not a big deal to me but the kid had a dozen other red flags that yes, at that point it should have been the last straw.

[@g.l.3092]

Supposedly the reason the parents wanted him to stay at school was because they CLAIMED that they BOTH had to go back to work. But IF his dad's work day ended BEFORE 1:37pm...there was NO REASON Ethan should have still been at school because his step dad should have picked him up AS SOON AS HE FINISHED WORK. And if the step dad didn't get out of work BEFORE 1:37pm...why would he have called the authorities at 1:37pm to report that HE KNEW there was a gun missing from his house? How would he ALREADY KNOW that?!?! Kinda reminds me of that girl mass shooter who said when her dad bought her a gun...she could only gather that HE WANTED her to kill herself. Because with her history of mental illness...there was NO WAY he wouldn't have KNOWN that she would ultimately use the gun to harm herself or others.

[@admiralpaco507]

While I knew that rifles and long guns are legal to buy for teens (because hunting), I was really surprised to learn that handguns are also legal, depending on jurisdiction of course.

[@dynamicworlds1]

None of them should be available for teens to buy.

[@firefly9838]

Handguns are not legal to buy for anyone under 21 in the US

[@admiralpaco507]

@@dynamicworlds1 To clarify, a teen cannot buy them for themselves, but an adult can buy them for a teen. I don't object to a teen "owning" a firearm as long as the teens access is restricted by an adult (either at home or at a range).

[@admiralpaco507]

@@firefly9838 Not legal for anyone under 21 to buy, but a parent or legal guardian can buy a handgun for their child even if that child is under 21.

[@firefly9838]

@@admiralpaco507 it’s illegal to own a handgun being under 18 years old. Ethan could not legally own this firearm. The law was not followed. My dad got me a .22 pistol at 16 however it was in HIS name until I turned 19. I’m also not psychotic and he knows that.

[@millennialmongoose3392]

I believe the pope can excommunicate people which is basically a straight to let to hell. That quote is way older than fallout 4

[@will_from_pa]

That rising take though. I double taked so hard that I got whiplash from it

[@LuxInfinita]

That Iversen clip is the equivalent of doing a math problem correctly but getting the entirely wrong answer.

[@devon674]

ethan crumbley quoting nick valentine quoting the famous saying by Oppenheimer paraphrasing Vishnu from the Bhagavad Ghita

[@bonesmcgee9853]

this happened kinda near where i live. it makes it hard to want to go to school

[@chrisorr6336]

Feels weird actually knowing someone who goes to the school, like a small part of me was still isn't numb to shootings

[@GrahamC1171]

That Kim Iverson quote came so hard out of left field it felt like being verbally suckered punched. WTF

[@lexitacos]

This happened an hour away from where I live. All the school in the area are kind of freaking out right now.

[@Fredric_Cedrich]

I remember in high school (a high school in England) a guy who was my friend for 3 straight years told me on the last day of school in our final year he’s going to bring in a knife & stab (he specified stab not kill) everyone who mean to him. I basically told them all he said that & when they laughed & bullied him I could see the humility in his eyes bring him back to fucking reality.

[@Len124]

It's like a late-series Law and Order plot in which the hook is that the prosecution is taking the unprecedented step of charging the parents, but they were too lazy to come up with a realistic justification for doing so, so they just went with a series of on the nose cliches.

[@imjustsaying4165]

I learn so much deom your content. Thank u.

[@bascal133]

That lady at the end had me nodding my head until the last second then I was like… O_O WAIT wut lmaooooo

[@Bundysvideos]

A conversation and some googling about new goose or duck rounds in class with a fellow classmate during this time of year because it is hunting season wouldn’t be worrying. But that’s a pretty specific situation lol

[@Thunder-Chief]

Parents on the run?!? On saw a news segment on Saturday that they were already arraigned... Ahhh, this was streamed 3 days ago. D'OH!!!

[@AholeAtheist]

"Let's Talk About.."? Has Vaush finally checked out Beau of the Fifth?

[@sarahszabo4323]

Stories like this makes me question my stance on eugenics sometimes.

[@dynamicworlds1]

It's less the genetics and more the parenting. Let people like that adopt and the results would be much the same I'd wager.

[@mariea.8100]

Even if we had eugenics, you can never tell who will and will not be abusive, unless they have a record. It's unfortunate

[@FernandoTorrera]

I think we need more ways to take action against shitty parents. Everyone is hesitant to take kids away which is drastic. We have better laws when it comes to driving. Parents should face fines and be required to take parenting classes. We allow kids to go through so much abuse and do nothing, such as shitty parents, abusive teachers, priests, and excessive bullying by other kids.

[@dynamicworlds1]

@@FernandoTorrera in principle I agree. In practice, between how terrible they systems we have to take care of kids we would remove from their parents are and how many ways we could come down on parents would negatively impact the kids we want to protect, it's not always so easy to know where the harm of inaction exceeds the harm of intervention. Of course there are very clear cut cases as well, but the hesitancy is not without merit, unfortunately.

[@FernandoTorrera]

@@dynamicworlds1 I’m aware it would be hard but I think with better social workers

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

I saw the title and I was like: “wait, a Oxford got shot up? A British university got shot up, and its Oxford?!” But then I saw the thumbnail and I thought “oh yeah of course.” Someone has gotta deal with your guy’s gun problems.

[@firstnamelastname-oc9cq]

Not really a time to gloat

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

@@firstnamelastname-oc9cq not gloating, I’m just saying that gun culture is a stain on American culture and you guys need to clean it off.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@firstnamelastname-oc9cq still, the fact that's it's something people can gloat about is part of the problem

[@firefly9838]

@@ghastlyghandi4301 if your not American your opinion is irrelevant. Sorry.

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

@@firefly9838 oh yeah I forgot, thank you for reminding me that I’m not American.

[@phaerlax]

I absolutely lost it at the Hell bit

[@bumblebeeatbreadloaf1286]

"All Fallout games after 1 and 2 are bad except New Vegas" Based take from Vaush. That's exactly how it is.

[@ultraprincesskenny6790]

Wrong fallout tactics is good

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

I heard about this(it happened in my state). I’d say I couldn’t believe parents could be this ignorant and oblivious but I know better.

[@ThePFD518]

We can thank the NRA for the massive shift in views on the 2a which was viewed as a collective right to now individual rights. Early America had many gun restrictions and nobody really gave a shit about the 2a in the 60s and early 70s.

[@oldboy81]

So weird to hear Vaush talk about my hometown.

[@Absurdtheistic]

HOLY SHIT!! That Kim Iverson take 🤣 I was so confused until that fucking nuclear take. Holy shit that was not what I was expecting

[@harrywompa]

My parents are enough like this that I'm particularly glad I grew up in Canada rn

[@turkey___dinner]

He’s the Jokah, babey

[@witchflowers6942]

42:00 HOLY SHIT THAT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD

[@samuelbarber5097]

42:18 when you almost havve a good take then shoot it 23 times in the chest and turn back to conspiracy theories

[@DukeDukeGo]

It's literally like 13 reasons why. That's all I could think of the more I learned about this The looking up ammo/guns at school thing is exactly what happened in their second school shooting episode, but it turned out to be a fake out That show is so bad, I love it so much. I think I'm gonna rewatch the yms videos on it

[@yoredeerleader]

For festive cheer, this year serve your Christmas Molotov cocktails in crystal champagne flutes and garnish with cranberries soaked in brandy.

[@ohteddyboyo]

How tf did Kim Iverson come to that conclusion 😂 damn. I had to rewatch that bit because I thought I heard that wrong.

[@SaHaRaSquad]

This is basically The Onion's video about the serial school shooter. Insanity.

[@martino6925]

I literally thought that Kim Iversen clip was sattire

[@ThaTruFily]

Now he has all he needs, some good ol' jail punishment!

[@patrickmitchell3497]

Felt like i was having a stroke listening to Iverson reach for that conclusion

[@TheShuuman]

Here I am trying to remember how to draw my squirrel girl I haven't touched in near a year. Listening to Vaush video as it helps me focus and the second I hear 42:10 my pencil lead snaps. Immediately all motivation is drained from me so I lay on my back, stare at the ceiling and wonder how someone can say something like that with a straight face.

[@blue5had0w]

That take from Kim was fucking wild 🤣

[@WeldonSirloin]

I'm all for rehabilitation but these acts are always predetermined months in advance. Even if the parents clearly failed him, he did went through with the horrendous plan and innocent kids lost their lives. I have no sympathy for him or his parents.

[@AzureGreatheart]

“Go directly to Hell. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.”

[@MartinCantu1991]

Queue up the "thoughts and prayers"

[@tangentsigma]

Texted her son at 1322, then the father calls 911 at 1337. Not to speculate but fifteen minutes is enough time to conduct a frantic search of a house looking for a missing firearm.

[@keithct9375]

Last time I was this early Vaush was still friends with Destiny

[@shredjward]

im so insanely shocked he wasnt searched. blows my mind

[@jonsnowver4183]

Rare Vaush L, mixed up the quote from Vishnu and thought Fallout 4 (Bad) was Fallout 3 (awful). Not sure how he's going to exonerate himself from this one, guys.

[@yan_dj]

That clip was a fucking plot twist

[@cressposting]

15 year olds should not be tried as an adult. They are children.

[@thechief043]

This whole story just gets worse the more comes out. If I was a parent of one of the victims, I'd be so devastated and filled with rage on these psychopaths.

[@sethpeck7179]

Beau of the Fifth Column wants his video titling style back

[@duckhawkninja3614]

Crazy how there were all these warning signs, but no one took them seriously.

[@AustinWestbro]

I’d much rather be criminally prosecuted than institutionalized. Nothing is more scary to me than mental facilities

[@LilSenwolf]

Vaush we had peace on this planet from the beginning of time up until December 10th of 1993 when doom was originally released then all this violence started happening.