Katie Holmes' Escape From Tom Cruise

I discuss with Andrew Gold (‪@AndrewGold1‬) why and how Katie Holmes escaped from Tom Cruise to save her daughter from Scientology.
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[@412StepUp]

The fact that she even had to “escape” is messed up.

[@annemccarron2281]

I had to escape my narcissistic husband on many occasions until I could get a divorce. Wish I had had a father to help me get out of that marriage.

[@industrialover]

Underrated comment

[@jpx8793]

@@annemccarron2281 I am so sorry you had to experience that.

[@talkaboutwacky]

Well done Katie for saving Suri and yourself from the insanity that is Scientology

[@rayl3103]

I'd be willing to bet that Katie Holmes is subject to an agreement that gave her full custody in exchange for never speaking about Tom and Scientology.

[@judith3218]

I wouldn't be surprised if TC had Connor and Isabella, too, sign NDA's, He is a complete control freak, which makes me wonder why any women would hook up with him.

[@JessBlake2]

I don't think so. She was in complete control of the escape. He was completely blindsided so didn't have a chance to amass the power he would normally have tried to use. The whole thing was over in 2 weeks so she had all of her legal ducks in a row, I'm sure including the kind of threats she would have needed to free herself and Suri. I think there's a good chance she hasn't talked about it purely as protection for her daughter. Hopefully someday she'll be able to help expose this abusive cult.

[@Trenchant468]

If I recall correctly, TC was out-of-town on a movie shoot for an extended period, and KH established residency or at least was living in NY during this time. As a result, she was able to declare that he was an absent father, and she was a NYer.

[@Milk427]

I think in order for Scientology to leave her completely alone and Tom not pursue any court battle Katie I believe did sign an NDA. I also think Nicole did too. Neither Katie nor Nicole have ever talked about their marriage or subsequent relationship with Tom.

[@lionswimmer4637]

@@judith3218 Uh, career advancement.

[@gavinballin2323]

I know I’ve said this before that escape was underrated. The biggest movie star in the world wife escapes with their daughter with not only Tom but but Scientology stalkers having absolutely no clue. This could be a box office smash.

[@gtaylor6937]

Imagine how invested Tom has to be in his Scientology identity to give up his own daughter, his own love life. These are the biggest parts of a person's life, but he was willing to give them up to be the Big Being. Wow.

[@meesamagill1193]

Completely brainwashed

[@lumpstersmouse5471]

Pretty sure Tom is impotent. I personally don’t believe Suri is biologically his. Nicole had no problem having children with Keith. Had to adopt two with Tom. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@talkaboutwacky]

David Miscavige surrounds him with ONLY scientologists. Tom has the power to destroy Scientology but refuses cause he worships Miscavige like North Koreans worship Kimjong Un

[@k8marlowe]

Yes. He was lost to us decades ago. .

[@ShidachiOm]

I don't believe it's about Scientology. I believe it's about the fact that he's a raging narcissist and scientologists treat him like a god, something a narcissist will never give up. No matter what it costs him.

[@GG-qm7zb]

She left exactly how Domestic violence counselors advise people to leave. Controlling & verbal abuse is also abuse.

[@angeliccow]

While we don’t know the details one can infer that Tom did not give up control of his daughter just because katie had a good lawyer.

[@scottblack7182]

@@angeliccow Im still shocked he was able to get someone pregnant 😏. I wonder what he had to take to make that happen lol.

[@honeybunch5765]

@@scottblack7182 😄 true, he was most probably instructed to by Miscavige. I find him so creepy.

[@honeybunch5765]

@@angeliccow her dad played a big role in the success of their escape. He very easily gave Suri up, not much love lost for his only biological child. He has a Sea Org. attitude towards children.

[@angeliccow]

@@honeybunch5765 He fought tooth and nail for the adoptive children and yeah of cause her dad played a big role but we are talking about tom cruise where millions of dollars is what falls down the back of the lounge unnoticed. He had the means to be able to fight back in any juristiction. And while yes when he did not have control of his child he stopped seeing her entirely that attitude has more to do with Katie being an SP and Suri being connected to her. His attitude would have been polar opposite had he gotten custody. The inference is that Katies silence was worth more than his daughter... on what we don't know but he gave up to easily for it have been good will.

[@AndrewGold1]

Loved doing this with my buddy A-A-Ron woop woop! Thank you all for watching :)

[@belindapaul9828]

Watching in the wrong order🙄 but great stream (as always).

[@reneepolin6549]

I live your videos however I'm wondering why you don't simulcast

[@BritInvLvr]

I felt the collab you two did with the woman from NXIVM was one of the most fascinating videos.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@belindapaul9828 thanks belinda!!

[@AndrewGold1]

@@dabuttdoctor5790 aw thanks, loving working with A A Ron!

[@redpillyoass5894]

Suri looks just like Tom, there’s no way he’s not the father. She is a perfect 50/50 of Katie and Tom.

[@donnamyers7274]

I so agree. It seems that the older Suri gets, the more that she looks like Tom.

[@Evute02]

@@donnamyers7274 I’d say she’s at least leaning more towards resembling Katie.. but that smile! Uncanny to Tom’s.

[@jenlambie14]

Katie & Surie's escape - amazing to think that they & Mr Holmes literally pulled off Mission Impossible.

[@littlemisssunshine3267]

That true! Escaping Scientology and TC with out so much as a ripple is the Most Impossible Mission of all.

[@johnwattdotca]

@@littlemisssunshine3267 That's probably why it didn't happen. The big story here is these two men getting together through their conspiracy channels. They will make a cute couple.

[@progressiveGal73]

Good one! 😄

[@laleona776]

@@johnwattdotca uh oh It sounds like you're one of the indoctrinated Scientologists whose job it is to keep your cult going. I don't think you're even paid to disparage those bringing out the truth. What do they give you? Room & board & crappy food for working 20hr days?

[@aimeefriedman822]

Of course, as "Smooth" as her escape appeared, it was Monstrously difficult and detailed. I remember how freaking skinny and withdrawn Katie was at that time. It's absolutely incredible that Tom hasn't seen Suri in years. It's incredible that Hollywood hasn't condemned him for not seeing Suri (not that we want him to). But everyone else's moral character comes into question, but not Tom's?

[@annemccarron2281]

That's true. Unfortunately, the celebrity status carries greater weight than his moral (or immoral) status.

[@goodmorningsundaymorning4533]

As if hollyweird has any moral code at all.

[@TinaMcBride63]

oooooooooooooooooooo

[@secretpal6039]

If you have to “escape” in the middle of the night, then there’s something wrong with this cult. Not sure why these members can’t see how horrible their organization is.

[@Erlaxis]

Sounds like Katie was very smart in her handling of the situation. She likely looked carefully into what happened to Nicole and learned all the right lessons.

[@Angelina6518]

Her dad is an excellent lawyer and probably saw the writing on the wall. Thank God for her parents.

[@thegirllikesmovies7389]

Her dad gave her advice I’d never heard of and will make a mental note of because it was spectacular. He helped her with an airtight prenup and made sure their child would have to be subject to Scientology

[@beththomas2222]

Nicole's Dad is a supposed cult member himself. Of a different belief.

[@ignatiusj.reilly2124]

She certainly wasn't smart when she got married to Tom in the first place... Must have wisened up after

[@rachelpena5619]

Her dad was an attorney so that helped

[@theblackwidowchronicles]

Everyone knows that Tom is married to David Miscavige which is why Miscavige's wife has done a 'Fargo' thing and taken an permanent holiday in Tom's wood chipper while David has vanished from public life to be a good wife to Tom

[@jamieohare5096]

Katie’s legal team triumphing over Marilyn Chinitz of Blank Rome is EPIC. Having an attorney dad, time, and secrecy was everything for Katie!

[@nadegef4895]

And also money

[@jamieohare5096]

@@nadegef4895 sure, but Tom had way more money, and he got his ass handed to him.

[@ehayes7849]

I would love to know how Katie and her dad communicated and kept all the legal research and help needed to escape secret.

[@jamieohare5096]

@@ehayes7849 burner phones for sure and a new email address where her dad had all the recovery info. She fired her Scientology staffers and had gotten a new apartment with the idea that paparazzi would not know where she was, so I’m sure she kept everything she needed there.

[@Dbeckdesign68]

@@ehayes7849I heard they communicated by burner phones.

[@anxiety4daysmusingmedic891]

It seems like you two are becoming friends and these frequent interviews are pure joy watch!

[@AndrewGold1]

haha i have so much fun with aaron!

[@johnwattdotca]

@@AndrewGold1 I'm waiting for you two to come out as partners. You know it.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@johnwattdotca haa

[@Milk427]

One aspect of the custody agreement is that Katie gets 100% full control over what religion Suri is raised in or not. Meaning Tom basically gave up his right to indoctrinate Suri into Scientology. Katie’s father put that in the custody papers. People talk a lot about how Katie gets to decide on Siri’s education but I think an even bigger thing is how religion was put in the custody papers. Look at any other custody papers of other celebrities or most people in general and either we don’t hear about it or it’s not even acknowledged. Here it was.

[@ehayes7849]

of course religion is a factor during divorce depending on how closely related to one religion the parents are.

[@yvechapman9342]

I was disowned at 18 by my bio father and honestly him not actually being biologically my father would be a HUGE relief.

[@murielglaphre8946]

I found out that the man on my birth certificate is not my actual bio father. It was a huge relief. I still don't know who my real father is and even with zero clue, I'm still so relieved.

[@zsong9600]

She had to plan it very carefully and in advance, and with the support of others, like her father. She’s not just a pretty face and I’m so glad that she got out and she got out with her baby. Nobody should be raised in a cult, like Scientology.

[@georgiaamanatides4207]

Katie's father is responsible for Katie escaping so smoothly. All Katie did was follow his instructions. I would bet her father consulted with others in his profession to ensure Tom was caught off guard and had no leverage. The one time we know of that Tom Cruise got what was coming to him.

[@lauriefrohlich9901]

Your absolutely right.

[@merricat3025]

I read somewhere Katie was planning this escape for about a year. Yeah she was getting her ducks in a row. Escaping was not easy. She had handlers watching her all the time.

[@travelinglight4656]

You don't know that. Unless you know personally what happened or were there, you don't know. He may have paved a path but the work was hers. She did it.

[@alexandriafitts9262]

@@travelinglight4656 lol. I doubt that

[@Tagurrit]

Truth!

[@RozaneBeyMcCurdy]

I would LOVE to see Katie star in a movie documenting her escape, but it might disclose strategies on how she escaped and preventing others from doing so.

[@Rabbithole9555]

Signed legal documents to never disclose nor speak about anything publicly or privately during that time period in her private life, ... Allegedly.

[@danysanerd2383]

Well, I'd be willing to guess; that it's a pretty safe bet to belive, that she would have had to sign an iron clad NDA, as Tom wouldn't want anyone to know about his "alleged" impotence &/or lack of luck with love! *dramatically clutches her pearls*

[@mindsigh4]

@@Rabbithole9555 right, & i imagine that Cruise signed over/ gave up all his parental/custody, maybe even contact rights(?) in exchange for her silence on all things Scifientology, Cruise or their relationship.

[@sighborg_]

Idk if she would ever star in a movie about it, but someone should definitely write a film script or novel that is a fictional adaption of the Katie Holmes story.

[@scottblack7182]

Thats not gonna stop Hollywood from making money from it eventually. Exactly what your saying is what the biggest issue is with survival stories. They should not be shared among the general public but whats that ol american saying?,.."profits over people?" 😑.

[@julienotsmith7068]

She is mother of the year. A remarkable, amazing woman.

[@MaryCoffey-pn9zv]

Many years ago, a coworker invited me to participate in something called EST (Earhart Seminar Training). I met her at the introductory seminar, and within 10 minutes, I realized it was a cult. First, they try to convince you that you're broken and only they can show you the path to heeling. Then they try to sell you thousands of dollars of classes and workbooks. I got up to leave, and all the conference room doors were locked. As soon as they called the first break, I literally had to push past the members in the foyer to get out of there. I never spoke to her again. She quit about 2 months later. Good for Katie. I'm proud of how stealthy her parents were in getting her and Suri out of the Scientology cult safely.

[@kathrynlangford8405]

My husband and I did exactly the same when we escaped a christan cult. The amount of stress and subterfuge and systems we had to employ is book worthy. I have no problem believing that the need for all of this was imperative. These places are run by people who are pure evil.

[@Zodroo_Tint]

Which one was that cult? I love how non of the christian cult care about what Jesus said and did.

[@kathrynlangford8405]

@@Zodroo_Tint it no longer exists and was never overly influential.

[@Rob-dp3vr]

You just made that up, for the entire purpose of bashing Christians. Liar. You would have said exactly the name of the "cult". "A Christian Cult" very easily tells everyone you're a liar and just wanted to post that to smear religion.

[@Rob-dp3vr]

Your "story" is bookworthy, yet you had no name for the cult in your fiction post. So are you gonna write a book and never actually mention the cult? Liar. Even when someone asked you the name.... "uh, well, um, they're not around and more, and uh, you wouldn't know them anyways ". Classic liar. It's like the "yeah, I have a girlfriend, she's hot, but she's in Canada right now, you wouldn't know her". Get out of here with your cheap, flimsy, self serving lies. If you don't like Christian religions, then stay away. But you're very obviously full of sht.

[@marycassidy1695]

A cult isn't truly Christian. they just say they are. Their God is not the God of the Bible.

[@davidthomas-ot4cl]

Tom dumped Nicole out of the blue. Katie dumped Tom out of the blue. That's Karma, Tom.

[@wendypham3658]

Tom should said very well done Katie 👏🏼

[@MandyX19]

It’s so sad Tom chose Scientology over his beautiful daughter! He’s gross.

[@PatriotMommy]

As for Suri, I could see Katie being very protective of her. Katie appears to be a very private person nowadays after her and Tom Cruise's relationship being more of a PR campaign. I would understand why she would want to shield Suri from the tabloids, social media and the Internet in general. Of course I'm sure she can't keep her off of the internet completely at her age.

[@LynnsYouTube]

Great video. If Suri needed some kind of psychological or medical help and Tom had any part of custody that would be a big mess.

[@annetteelliott1494]

Best thing you've ever done Katie! Best wishes for the future with your daughter and without that other one

[@wendypham3658]

Katie ❤

[@Ania-cd2sh]

Even joint custody the mother can and usually does have the last say on education, religion, medical etc. At least that’s how it worked for me here in GA. But Katie is amazing for what she did for herself and her daughter.

[@farmgirl-nursedoc]

@@charisma-hornum-fries - most states in the US provide for both parents to be part of major decisions as is done in Denmark.

[@angeliccow]

California has quite progressive rules as I understand and the primary carer would normally have final say on education and medical but a 50/50 would usually be 50/50 on those decisions. There is a big reason she filed on New York.

[@tamara6212]

@@angeliccow And with the love and support of her family.

[@dkitd2001]

Could David and Tom be secret lovers, and Katie caught them?

[@czarinacourtneyal-marmont4699]

It was like a real life “Sleeping With The Enemy.”

[@BarbItalia]

I would LOVE to see the schedule of events that took place for Katie’s escape; how absolutely fascinating!!!

[@catherineenglish9542]

I think about it all the time . I have a favorite KZbin tarot reader , Blue Nola . I'm going to ask her to do a reading on Katie and this topic . Maybe you could go to her site and make a request as well . She's very ethical . No negative energy . Maybe she can give us some insight .

[@megmeyer7563]

Me too.

[@ED80s]

We need this to be a movie

[@tsquaredtim]

I also read or saw somewhere that Seri was approaching the age that she would have to start training in Scientology and Katie Holmes wasn't too thrilled about that.

[@amandalhartle]

I truly believe that she used the information about Tom and David to escape. I guarantee that's why she hasn't spoken about it

[@BrandyYoureAFineGirl]

Watching the replay!! Absolutely love you guys! You both are so funny! Andrew I love your innocence!! Well done 😂

[@AndrewGold1]

we love you too!

[@glamma77]

Your collaboration together is always such a roller coaster of emotions, but I enjoy learning this way!

[@AndrewGold1]

glad to hear it, feels that way for us on screen too!

[@k8marlowe]

Great point: Katie must have been very disturbed indeed to have been motivated enough to pull all of this off. I would also agree that Nicole Kidman’s experience was likely a huge factor for her.

[@ricknelson947]

Just thinking out loud. David has hidden his wife away from the world. Tom has run off both of his wives. Both Tom and David, standing facing each other can look straight into each other’s eyes. Maybe there’s a little more than just a bromance going on and scientology is being used to keep it on the DL.

[@Milk427]

Don’t think that has not crossed my mind too. I wouldn’t be surprised at all. If they did….. good on them for finding someone.

[@stealthwarrior5768]

@@corneliuscrewe677 why?

[@TheArielski]

TC has been married and divorced THREE times - Mimi Rogers, Nicole Kidman and Katie Holmes.

[@BushaBandulu]

Siri LOOKS LIKE Tom.

[@maryodonnell8124]

1011

[@amandaadkins3524]

The leaving of Katie from Tom would be a cinematic masterpiece that would crush any of Tom's 'Mission Impossible' original or sequels!!! I'd love a book even. To know what she went though within the marriage and the layers of steps taken to get out unscathed! And not simply to be nosy, but I had to leave my abusive husband 'under the radar' while he was also out of town on business. I had CPS helping keep myself and child safe. Either way, I'm so happy she was able to save herself and her child!

[@beth-bi9yv]

Glad you also got out. Hope you all are ok now.....

[@amandaadkins3524]

@@beth-bi9yv Thank you! ❤️

[@davinatest8467]

Her father must have got specialist help with her extraction from this very powerful and connected organisation. This was no simple matter of just leaving that organisation.

[@shannonm.4087]

Her father is a very powerful and successful force himself- and very well known in the legal world. Thank goodness she had a father like that!

[@KDSima]

You have both hit your strides. We have been watching Growing up in Scientology since the early days, when you were doing interviews with Mike Rinder. It was always been great, now… they are even getting better.

[@tammywozmoak6349]

Toms girlfriend IS David Miscarriage!😂😂

[@AgnetaBorgKristensson]

You two are so funny together!

[@AndrewGold1]

haha thank you!

[@witch_haunts_ghost]

You guys are hilarious and amazing. Thank you!

[@AndrewGold1]

Love ya ! ❤

[@witch_haunts_ghost]

@@AndrewGold1 ❤❤❤

[@ahomeforallanimals]

Katie had the money to escape which is nice. I grew up in an abusive home and if i had money and connections i had a plan to get myself, siblings and pets out, but wo money and the adults i asked to help including social services did nothing, so i had to stay. Take an example of how to escape, but you wont be doing it katie holmes style with parents with money and your own bank account, youll be leaving with nothing and lucky to live in your car

[@420greatestqueen]

Don’t forget to have a father who is a divorce attorney

[@ahomeforallanimals]

@@420greatestqueen i wish. People applaud Katie for the escape. They forget she had somewhere to run

[@tiredofit4761]

He’s always been creepy to me. Knowing he joined Scientology sealed the deal on me not liking anything he does. I feel for his wives. He seems to like young nieve women. He’s so narcissistic. Katie and Nicole were lucky to get out but you see how he controlled the outcome. To this day neither say anything negative about him or the church! Nicole lost children she loved. It’s sad. You can see he hasn’t even seen Suri in years! What kind of dad is that?!

[@matilda4406]

thank you for making all this public, the "cults in the community", etc

[@EMunaBee]

Yes, Katie is very close with her family. While she was infatuated with TC since she was a child, he knew it, used the information and took her on the types of dates to have a person manipulated to bond with him, her parents never liked him. When they decided to intervene and tell her to get out of it fast, it was too late, she was pregnant (*possibly* before she met him?) and getting married to him, her family would be considered SPs and they would have been removed from her life. They had to go along to keep a relationship with her and ultimately to save her and her child.

[@shannonm.4087]

Yes!! the whole ordeal had to have been so stressful and people really do not seem to grasp the intense level of planning it took to get Katie and Suri away from the Tom Turd.

[@racheld7528]

Honestly I would love to hear a tell all from both Katie and Nicole if ever possible. I know Nicole it may be harder since at least Conner is in Scientology and I am assuming her daughter Isabella is as well. But maybe she can write it and it’s something that can be released later. But it would be interesting to hear it all in their own words.

[@VAPIDISM]

I hear Tom has been working on a new movie about the life of a man with chronic constipation. Its called Motion Impassable.

[@nicenancy7694]

Sure, Tom, I'll clean the bathroom with YOUR toothbrush.

[@YourGypsy]

Thank God Katie had the sense to recognize the danger of the situation for her and Suri. And she planned her escape. It is sad Suri does not know her Dad, but she really is better off.

[@tonyaa8738]

I remember Katie and Nicole were photographed by paparazzi lunching together shortly before Katie left. It was a big story at the time, his current wife lunching with his ex wife. But when Katie left Tom that story exploded! Everyone speculated Katie was asking Nicole that day for advice about how to leave successfully.

[@Ceelle2]

83 years old. It marks 70 years since the first Bar mitzvah

[@Texasbama2]

I wouldn't be surprised if they still have eyes on her and she doesn't even know. Phone tapped, surveillance, stealing her trash, scientology neighbors etc like they have done Mike and many others.

[@KittyLovesGlover]

Katie Holmes.. you are a smart and very strong person! I can only pray that others see the wrong in Scientology and escape it also. Bless you and Suri's life with peace and love. I also pray you find the right thing for the two of you to help heal the abuse and heartache.

[@mindMyBlues]

another interesting conversation ... looking forward to the next ones - thanks

[@satutoivonen9679]

Ah, A-A-Ron, that happened to me too: was in great shape before covid and then all the stress and weirdness had me just not care and I blew up like a balloon. Sucks so bad. So I feel your frustration. Tell me if you ever figure out how to get back on the wagon. 🤠

[@linato1855]

I have medical reasons for my weight gain. Only lost some on starvation diets and soon put the weight back. Last December I started the Keto diet and loving my desserts, I’ve lost nearly 30 lbs. Worth a try….💪🏻

[@lizardgirl72]

Lina To ❤️ the keto lifestyle

[@foley15136]

Dude! There _has_ to be at least one Scientologist on that jury. One that will mysteriously become a bit wealthier after the trial.

[@Glm867]

Katie Holmes and her Dad are my Heroes 🙌💯🙌♥️👀😅👀♥️ What an AMAZING Mom

[@Serai3]

Now I know what to say to Tom Cruise if I ever run into him. 😆

[@wendypham3658]

He’s a monster !! Just walk away like Katie 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Serai3]

@@wendypham3658 Nah, I'm gonna have my fun, sorry.

[@merp9211]

The controlling nature of Scientology reminds me of Cruise’s movie, The Firm. I wonder if he’s noticed the parallels.

[@Leslie-karren]

With regard to the Covid vaccine, Tom would have insisted anyone near him was vaccinated because of his work. So it makes complete sense that anyone his was in contact with would have to have taken the shot, because he's just ALL that. Also, I think with regard to Surie's age, at 6-7 is when kids really start to understand and make their own decisions, therefore can be brainwashed, so Katie acted as a great mother bear and got her out.

[@annem7806]

Baptism, First Communion (1st grade), Confirmation (6th grade) Marriage, Ordination (priests, nuns) Last Rites.

[@carolannid2390]

Loved this! Both parts! Thank you both for your great content!

[@AndrewGold1]

thank you carolanni!

[@audreyroche9490]

I feel sorry for any kids who been in sciencetology

[@Stitchycatlady]

Andrew, as a 6ft woman, I completely get the reaction when you see someone taller than you, but only women in my case. My dad is 6’ 6”, so I’m used to seeing men taller than me.

[@AndrewGold1]

yes i can imagine that, rare is the woman taller than you, and rare is the man taller than me - apart from your dad! thanks for watching :)

[@lauratrommer811]

Kids are a lot more aware than what you guys give them credit. I had friends that were secular humanists. They had a son and decided they would not discuss their lack of religion with him and allow him to make his own mind up when he became more aware. I was driving a car with them and their son was still small enough to be sitting in a baby seat. His friend who was several years older was sitting next to him. They wanted to get together the next day and play on Sunday. And a friend said well when are you done with church so we can play tomorrow. And my friend's son turned to them and in his little baby fat face and said we don't go to church we don't believe in God. All of us tried to keep from cracking up cuz we don't want to laugh at the at the children. But also because this plan had gone awry. Kids are indoctrinated or learn about their parents believe from the moment that they are able to identify mom and dad.

[@annemccarron2281]

Isn't it a parent's resonsibility to raise their children with the values they feel are right. Either you raise them with religion or you raise them as atheists. A good parent doesn't give a child no direction. I've always thought "letting the child decide for himself" as a cop out for being a negligent parent.

[@amethyst5512]

@@annemccarron2281values & morality are distinct from religion. They are very much separate spheres. If you need the threat of God watching over you to be a good person, you’re not a good person.

[@aleratz]

This host is pure Gold!

[@cheriedance8529]

You guys are great!!

[@awakenyewhosleeprealityisn4860]

Don’t forget that Tom’s first wife Mimi characterized Tom as a “monk”.

[@fluffdumpling8515]

He didn't want to sully his instrument is how she put it.

[@awakenyewhosleeprealityisn4860]

@@fluffdumpling8515 He’s a nut job.

[@stealthwarrior5768]

🤣

[@OP-1000]

@@fluffdumpling8515 Hahaha 🤣

[@fluffdumpling8515]

@@chichi775 Tom was unwilling to dip his wick.

[@southernborn1358]

I read once that Connor & Isabella were children born into some Scientology families, and Tom wanted kids-so those kids were taken from whomever their parents were, to give Tom what he wanted.

[@kathieprater2431]

Bravo to Katie Holmes!

[@Smileygld123]

Scientology is running a massive positive publicity campaign here on TV, in California. Also, I have never seen cars in their Ventira, CA office.

[@benjaminperez1149]

Shows how important a father is in the family.

[@benjaminperez1149]

@@demi8890 In other words, you consider yourself fatherless. Fathers is the plural, tbh.

[@southernborn1358]

Ok, on the second Bar Mitvah-first, I’m not Jewish, nor am I well versed in the theology. Last year, I watched a British produced documentary series about the large Jewish population in an area of London. It really was interesting-these people are working hard to maintain the lifestyles and old traditions of a Jewish family & and a Jewish COMMUNITY. Which I thought was great! In this series, one of the subplots was of an old man in his 80’s from Poland. When his father saw the imminent German attack coming, Dad told him (and he was YOUNG to run on his own) you can stay with us, but you may die. I want you to RUN and try to survive. Paraphrasing of course. So he ran, and his entire family was taken to concentration camp and killed. He made it, ended up marrying, had a family, a good business, etc… however, he never got a Bar Mitzvah. He had several grandkids, and his special one was Benny, who was about to have his Bar Mitvah. The story explained that Benny wished to share his Bar Mitzvah with his loving great grandfather. Again, not positive on the “great”. The elders of the synagogue met and granted the 80 year old Holocaust survivor his own Bar Mitzvah, small with close family I think. This may not be the same thing as what you are speaking about, but maybe it started a trend?

[@clearopt]

I wonder if Tom Cruise got any king of reprimand for Katie's escape. You know - for not being able to control his woman.

[@lulumoon6942]

Glad to have found Part 2, thanks.

[@natk4017]

Hey Aaron. Wanted to chime in on infertility since my husband and I are going through treatment. You're absolutely right, people with infertility issues most often do have the ability to concieve at certain points or with certain treatments. Someone could be infertile for decades and have a treatment that results in a successful pregnancy, especially with the money they have. Really hard to hear about fertility stuff for me right now so I can't watch this one to the end unfortunately. But just wanted to support what you said.

[@fluffdumpling8515]

On the other hand, Suri was born very soon after they 'met'. When did they have time to do 'fertility treatments'? I believe Katie was pregnant with the boyfriend before Tom. He was dark haired and tall. Suri is tall. Tom is 5'7" wearing lift shoes.

[@cecilyerker]

@@fluffdumpling8515 I think Suri is his child biologically. Her facial bone structure is similar to him when he was really young and started acting. And kids often turn out to be taller than their parents, my brothers are five plus inches taller than my dad because of my mom’s genes. It makes sense that they had to do fertility treatments to conceive.

[@lisajay9512]

Good luck with it all Nat and take care of yourself.

[@natk4017]

@@fluffdumpling8515 I have PCOS which is a sub fertility disorder. I can concieve any month just like any woman, I just ovulate a lot less and a lot less frequently. So potentially I could get pregnant from a one night stand the chances are just much much lower than na average couple. Many infertile couples won't even need treatment and will concieve naturally on a long enough timeline, it's just that couples don't like to take that risk of never having a baby, so they do treatment. This is one of if not the most common form of infertility, but they still have a small chance of natural conception.

[@alicelong3613]

I had to do IVF cuz hubby got blown up in Iraq and has TBI, so his hormones are whack. It worked for us, keep the faith!

[@farmgirl-nursedoc]

Love both of you guys!!!

[@AndrewGold1]

we love you all too, the show's nothing without you all

[@Emer205]

You two are great together!! I like you, individually, as well but together you are even better.

[@kyilmaz2]

Aaron your the best..great talk show. I look forward to all your shows. This is really great, amazing.

[@donnamyers7274]

Suri IS Tom Cruise's child 100%. She looks exactly like him. More like him than Katie as she's gotten older.

[@TheNiteSkye]

Her eyes and smile but everything else is Katie

[@AperiLife]

Did Katie’s auditer, or whatever they call the person was assigned to watch her, get punished for not noticing the signs?

[@prettyinpinky5937]

Those assist things sound so wild, especially as a parent cause your natural instinct is to comfort and cuddle!

[@bethmcnaughton2503]

Hey Aaron & Andrew, Fantastic video 👍

[@AndrewGold1]

thanks beth !

[@debbielacombe5717]

They got Katie's silence, She got Suri

[@d.b.595]

Even if Tom wasn't able to have children he wouldn't admit that Suri wasn't his he wouldn't want anyone to think he couldn't father a child. He thinks he is a super human.

[@dor4376]

Suri, if you watch this - your mom and grandad did sth amazing! They really love you 👏 and now you have a nice life ahead!💙

[@sonyaseybold9137]

A few years ago we traveled to the island of Curacao and it was announced upon landing that the scientology ship that was in port and was under quarantine for measles... wow!

[@earthcat]

Aaron invented a word by accident...SMOOTHLESSLY. I can think of no fewer than fifty situations where I have needed that exact word. I have added it to my lexicon.

[@jupitersailing]

Yes, I LOVED that, a work of complete inspiration!

[@heidikickhouse-]

Why don't I know about this well done story? I listen to every Aaron podcast and yet missed this. What is it?

[@joycewedel9084]

Thank Goodness Katie was smart & wise enough to get out & not telling Terrible Tom she was leaving otherwise he'd have put her in some Scientology Dungeon forever & would have never allowed her to see her daughter Suri & he would then make Suri join the Sea Org. Scientology is EVIL!!!

[@lisacolledge7624]

I love you two ❤️ ♥️ 💓 Brilliant stuff.

[@AndrewGold1]

thank you so much lisa!

[@DawnSuttonfabfour]

Why does the Scientology building have a large cross on the outside?

[@mancyank564]

I've often wondered that myself. It is a slap in the face to every Christian.

[@mancyank564]

Hannah, thanks for the info. I'll look it up.

[@catherineenglish9542]

Suri looks like Tom . Katie is an amazing woman, I have so much respect for her as a person . She's so brave . And smart . Suri is so very lucky to be her daughter . God is good , and that's the truth .

[@thomaslund6013]

Thanks! Yes Brothers

[@icanmanifest]

Custody is typically divided into physical and legal.

[@janiesuper3222]

I remember when this happened and everyone just loved Siri she is a beautiful precious child and to hear about this divorce, it was like woah some bomb really dropped here, and then very little in the media except KH just trying to be on magazine covers to keep her career going and nothing from TC. I guess good for TC to keep silent because so much damage was already done but i can only imagine the situation. Im glad you posted this now, because i was always curious about when the other shoe would drop. I love Remini for doing all of this, always loved her on KofQueens.