Sony Plan to Ditch OLED & Use Mini LED for 2024 Flagship TV. Here's Why

[@RichSDet]

I don’t think the ultimate TV customer cares how much power a TV uses. It cares whether the picture is great or not . Black levels are very important to the video connoisseur.

[@scythelord]

Black levels are great on just about any tv you get today, whether oled or not. Brightness is where you get a really good TV.

[@stefanbanovic]

@@scythelord Viewing angles, black levels, contrast and colors are not even close to compete with OLED.

[@ModernPlague]

​@@scythelordOLED TVs already get super bright.

[@XennialGeek]

You would be wrong with that assumption. People in europe have high electricity costs, and when you use a TV or other devices (PCs, consoles etc.) a lot, it energy efficiency because pretty important.

[@ModernPlague]

@@XennialGeek Europe wouldn't be suffering under such high energy costs if they hadn't let the U.S. dupe them into helping antagonize Russia with coups & NATO encroachment.

[@micker9830]

I'm sure it will take years, until we see movies that hit 4K nits. Right now, most movies don't push TVs too much. Content needs to catch up or the higher nits etc will be wasted.

[@TheAntifluencer]

great comment, finally someone actually thinking here lol

[@sirgareth5283]

Exactly

[@mikeg2491]

@@paulc5389Believe it or not yes, when Sony started rolling out brighter displays it was the first time 480p content on my old DVDs & my laserdiscs finally looked good to me on modern displays, they now closely match how they used to look on my old boob tube TVs that glowed like a radioactive rod. It makes up for the low resolution and lower color palettes.

[@stancartmankenny]

At 2:02 you can clearly see darkish horizontal and vertical lines "between" the leds, and this is showing through in the picture side (on the left). Is this a flaw in their system, or just some sort of aliasing going on inside the camera? It's especially bad at 2:05

[@reviewforthetube6485]

It's a camera it happens.

[@loki76]

I suspect what you are referring to is actually camera artifacts when filming the TV. A moiré effect. Didn't see that on other videos showing the exact same demos. It's not the TVs when you see that effect. It happens at times filming.

[@brodelicious]

I can see what you’re talking about. Like you said in the worst section it is most clearly visible le to me right at and above the roofline of the yellow car. I really have to zoom in to see it but it’s there for sure. It makes me wonder how visible it might be at average viewing distances. For me it would probably make it a non starter as I sit where the display takes up 40° of my field of view which is the closest that THX recommends.

[@mcarr416ix]

This is disappointing. The obsession with brightness is wild, black levels are more important than blinding HDR.

[@JooaoPires]

I'm eager to see what they can achieve!

[@onetone4561]

The problem is stuttering tha cannot be fixed with the fast acting oled panels

[@random_n]

Sony: We expect content creators to push high brightness levels. Content Creators: Darkness levels it is.

[@mtrebtreboschi5722]

Not to mention if they ***just*** came out with the new mastering monitor, how long will it be till we can even watch a movie that was made with it?

[@wile123456]

Especially idiotic, when there is only like 1% of movies and 4K blu rays to be rated above 1000 nits

[@callouu3601]

@@wile123456this is what Dolby Vision is for. Only HDR10 is limited to 1000 nits.

[@callouu3601]

⁠@@mtrebtreboschi5722let’s put it this way. Avatar 2 was using the Sony Venice camera YEARS before it was released to the public. It’s just how the creation industry works. Same with Top Gun

[@RobertK1993]

Game of Thrones The Long Night and House of Dragon episode only look shit on cable/Satalite and streaming because of compression on Blu ray disc)4K Blu ray disc both episodes where clear.

[@sylwester7]

"this means you are still failing, but with more effort..." - made my day, thank you! :)

[@IMelkor42]

"Still failing, but going in the right direction" is how I'd put it.

[@fraz]

@@IMelkor42 Exactly. They have unlocked an improvement. That's gotta be appreciated.

[@EndstyleGG]

That demo with only the backlights enabled on the two mini leds versus the OLED was really interesting to see

[@MaMuSlol]

But it also highlights a key problem with FALD displays, the backlight LEDs lag the image being displayed. You can see how the image jump cuts (no fade/transition) at 6:44 between each scene (use the OLED as reference), but the LEDs are clearly taking a while to go from fully dim to whatever light level they need to achieve. This creates a very distorted imagine for about 300ms, easy to miss on most content, but it drives me crazy on a bunch of games that I play.

[@anmolagrawal5358]

Yeah, I like when manufacturers do stuff like that

[@trinity2261]

​@@MaMuSlol that's interesting, I was worried about this when getting a miniled tv but I've never noticed it in movies/games

[@FenixQubes]

I hope the dimming zones density will increase drastically over the next years. The current density is too low for my taste, you usually can see a lot of blooming in some content.

[@vengeance2825]

You are literally watching this on whatever you own. The side by side comparison is literally displayed on your TV or monitor. Bear it in mind when you notice differences...

[@SifsSwag]

I absolutely hate all this crappy-overrated talk about ‘brightnes’. It is NOT the most important parameter! Color saturation and true black is mUCH more important. ‘Brightness’ is a store selling gimmick. I was 2mm from buying a A95L, but I am staying with Panasonic. Mini-LED has the god-awful LCD grey sheen!. Terrible news.

[@bearclaw5115]

Increasing brightness helps marketing but is not b.s. Have you ever attended a fireworks show only to say "Hey somebody, please turn down the brightness of these fireworks. I don't enjoy bright highlights!". People like different things and have different use cases. Many people wouldn't know what a perfect black level was if it hit them over the head. I also suspect most people have never heard of a nit. Now I'm with you, I prefer the advantages of an OLED. But do not despair they aren't going anywhere until we have something even better!

[@grimdicer152]

It was good to see Vincent on Digital Trends. Even if it was only brief

[@E96]

Top 5 anime crossovers

[@vlcheish]

Top 5 tv crossovers

[@yappa6222]

Like in the background or actually talking? Gotta look for it.

[@LazyCrazyGuy]

​@@yappa6222in the background

[@KaiSchSp]

I am so happy with my OLED, that I can't see myself switching to another panel technology any time soon.

[@nathanbraun2067]

once you go oled, you don't go back

[@993mike]

Agreed, but it sure would be nice to have a QD-OLED panel that hits at or close to 100” in a price range of no more than $10K. The picture on my A90J 83” Master Series is still breathtaking, and I won’t go smaller in size - only larger.

[@Showwieh]

@@darkknight2864 which model? I find that hard to believe there's burn in "everywhere", I have the alienware oled monitor and I have no burn in at all. Unless you've just been blasting HDR on normal computer usage

[@nimblegoat]

@@nathanbraun2067 if they bring this to 98" Then it will be a great alternative

[@popthiccle1158]

@@993mike seriously, how hard can it be to make a TV 20 inches larger without charging 5x the price?

[@elchappo1320]

I just bought my first Oled and am blown away by the picture

[@Rocket57ca]

Yes, I love Vincent's complete analysis (some of which is beyond me, but I'm learning! LOL) but if you see an OLED in the flesh, the picture quality is amazing and takes your breath away. I understand everyone has different standards and needs, especially gamers. But the average person will be more than satisfied with an OLED TV.

[@MichelleAlexandria-EM]

A lot of marketing crap. TV may be cheaper for them, but I can guarantee it won’t be for their consumers.

[@TheAntifluencer]

That's Sony.

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

Exactly so they will end up in the same boat as them selling OLED

[@mikeg2491]

To be fair, cheaper to produce doesn’t mean R&D costs were significantly cheaper.

[@PM-xc8oo]

OLED TVs already get plenty bright unless you're going to watch them outside or some nonsense. This sounds like a bunch of smoke and mirrors to mask better margins and regulatory arm twisting on the power consumption front.

[@AthosJosue]

Mini led is cheaper, that's basically it.

[@toastyburger]

OLED reignited my love for home cinema. Going back to LCD, regardless of the backlight, is going to be tough.

[@bearclaw5115]

You won't have to.

[@MistedMind]

Since I went OLED black I'l never go back!

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

I could never go back to LCD personally

[@Erosis]

I've had too many burn-in issues with OLEDs. Got the X95L and it's fantastic.

[@SpencersStuffTV]

I can't wait to go back to mini led personally. I'm tired of my screen dimming when watching sports and playing games. And the lack of full field brightness is really distracting when watching high luminance content. I have the a90j and x930e and I still, in may aspects, think the x930e pops more in hdr

[@chebrubin]

Lol notice they dont have QD OLED in the comparison.

[@j.rfrazier1855]

A95L continues through 2024 as the OLED flagship. Makes sense for Sony to take that gap year and make a comeback in the LCD sector, especially with no real improvements from Samsung Display’s panels this year. Looking forward to seeing how the X95M performs next to the BVM-HX310 in your tests.

[@amitavraja3385]

That’s right. The A95L will be the top Oled dog for 2024, so Sony can bring a top mini LCDTV for 2024 with improvements than last years X95L, which was the best Mini-LED in the market and was widely praised.

[@randomchannel323]

Yeah I wanna save up for an A95L

[@oppa1319]

The X95L was absolutely insane, could it really be that much better?

[@KonohasYeIlowFlash]

No matter how good the dimming is on this flagship Mini LED TV, there will be some blooming artifacts. I was planning on buying a new TV this year, so I think I’ll stick with the A95L when it’s on a good sale.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

@@oppa1319 in business n Mareketing. Professor train us about SONY TV Business model idental to BMW : they produce VERY HIGH END TV on the show, having all the influncers talk about it. Then the GOAL is to NOT having MOST ppl own it . Because if u own it, u will NOT want to up grade for at least 4-5 yrs. Slows down sales. Also ruins lower tier TVs sale. So they will always PRODUCE this ….insane tv like RoceRoyce level, give to Hollywood for FREE, call it “reference Monitor” to UP the market value. Then they want 99.9% ppl buy the 2 tier down. Because thoes ppl are MOST prone to “upgrade” Lured by NEW Launch of “CES flagship” nest year n year after . SONY’s MONEY Come from Tier downs. U will BE shocked they --LOSE- money produce A95L n those REFERENCE monitors. They MAKE money over A80L X90L ….etc n below. D EXACT reason they PRODUCE X95L in only 85”. It’s NOT for MOST ppl to own. They want a few get it to show off, they do NOT want ppl to have it. They also want to make it so large that ppl will pay Extra for A95L. YES,,,,,U will see a “better” tv than X95L. But for Flagship, expect to be HUGE n over priced. That they will do WELL at SHOOTOUT knowing MOST ppl will buy Tier down or TIERS down. Cuz the LOW budget PPL actually PROFIT the SONY NOT the flagship. They LOSE MONEY producing Flagship. Strangest thing…u only hear in Business School.

[@armylrs2391]

OLED has been doomed since the start and is not a suitable technology for HDR. Virtually every single OLED and QD-OLED has extremely aggressive ABL which ruins the HDR experience. Even the G3 and Samsung QD-OLED can only maintain a pathetic 200 nits full-field brightness. The impressive peak brightness capabilities claimed by LG and Samsung are extremely deceptive because they can only be achieved in specular highlights. Once even a moderate amount of the screen is intended to be bright content, ABL kicks in and these premium OLEDs turn into potatoes. We're talking about plasma TV territory light output in scenes that are meant to be very bright and vibrant. If you own an OLED you have never experienced HDR because they are incapable of displaying it even remotely close to the creators'intent. For years I was a big fan of OLED until I experienced HDR on a high quality LCD, it is a completely different experience and it might as well be a completely different format. What Sony is doing is necessary and smart.

[@goran2009]

Reason why I bought mini led was due to reflection and burning issues with OLED…

[@supremetaaanxz2241]

Basically the best TV Sony will sell in 2024 will be the A95L. Simpls

[@DV-ou1yu]

OLEDs are the lowest selling TVs for any brand lol

[@felixfourcolor]

@@DV-ou1yuI think OP meant the best-quality TV, not the best-selling one

[@DV-ou1yu]

@felixfourcolor You are correct. Read it wrong lol

[@cmontes7961]

That's because people don't know anything.😂

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@cmontes7961Also most people are broke.

[@davidt8438]

The last, and I mean dead last thing I care about is the power consumption of my tv.

[@mikeg2491]

Personally I’m anal about it even if I know deep down it’s only costing me the price of a few energy drinks a year. Someone leaving a TV on for hours not doing anything drives me nuts lol

[@1MTEK]

Said Panasonic plasma owners...

[@pubmeatman]

@@1MTEKguilty as charged. My 14 year old G25 still has a great picture. I bought a oled last week because I wanted a bigger screen size. I don’t know….can’t get used to the dark picture.

[@acewings221]

As if most people are content creators…lol wtf is sony thinking? 😂

[@fractalelf7760]

Power use on TVs seems pointless, the draws are minuscule compared to refrigerator or dryer…

[@bearclaw5115]

True, and half the year they are helping to heat your home anyway.

[@concinnus]

Depends on the fridge. Mine draws 34W avg, according to Energy Star. Dryer is infrequent enough to not be enormous. Most places, A/C is major though.

[@maou5025]

Some mini led can hit 800w

[@concinnus]

@@maou5025 Peak power is only relevant to circuit design, not to consumption. My electric kettle is 1500W, but its consumption is negligible.

[@4rzaluz]

​@@concinnusYour electric Kettle doesn't run the full season of a Netflix Series.

[@Displays.1234.]

Doesn't matter what Sony says LCD is still garbage, there will always be blooming and it's very easy to see... I can guarantee very poor viewing angles....

[@vigorgaming8]

considering the burn in damage on OLEDs and don't lie to ur sefl all OLEDs have it, I wouldn't spend a fortune on OLED, mini or micro LED is the choice for me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hippls100]

Haven’t had any screen burn in on my oled tvs, mostly my phones and tablets that have oled

[@aldizzle]

If Sony gives up on OLED, they give up on being the overall quality leader. They abdicate the throne…that many consider them to sit on, including me.

[@TheAntifluencer]

A95M coming in 2025, they're not giving up. Next year will be another QD Oled monster.

[@TheAntifluencer]

A95L is still too expensive anyways, still 5 grands, it's higher than G4 and S95D, lol

[@Mr.F-U]

Found a Sony D Rider

[@emiliofederici9459]

The usual company vaporware to conceal a financial decision: not wanting to rely anymore on OLED panels made by Samsung or LG.

[@RobertK1993]

They don't buy Samsung or LG for OLED or QD OLED panels Sony buy off their sister companies LG and Samsung Display different companies altogether.

[@emiliofederici9459]

@RobertK1993 Yes I know. But those are still companies part of the Korean companies conglomerates. And OLED panels are Samsung's (QD-OLED) and LG's (WOLED) patents, while LCD panels are sold by many different companies (I dunno if Sony builds them itself).

[@rainiergruber9022]

Will they drop prices below other OLEDs then? If not, it's going to be a hard sell. I still have to see a single LCD that comes close to OLEDs for my taste.

[@cmontes7961]

I can't see Sony discontinuing OLED. That would be stupid but we will see. Choice is important.

[@Blake-qz2rg]

Well, time to pull the trigger on the A95L. Although I may wait a month to take advantage of price drops, if any.

[@peterd99999]

I was about to do the same thing, however the much touted A95L Multiview feature (side by side, split screen) has not been delivered by Sony. If Sony is canning the A95L, it's a fair bet Multiview will never see the light of day. Not good, I want to be able to play a video game over HDMI on one side while following a KZbin tutorial on the other. I want to keep an eye on a sports event while watching a movie, etc. Can't do any of that without Multiview. Looks like it's going to be LG. Sad.

[@ManosPairis]

I think SONY has made a bad call here. I don't care how many nits can produce. Can it match OLED picture quality? OLED has so deep blacks, that the nits looks double. Make two top TV, one oled, one miniled. Power efficiancy crap! We have two wars close to Europe. They don't polute and TVs are? Give me a break here. Power from Fusion reactor...yesterday! Time for Panasonic too take the lead in OLED. Hey LG? Time to make 4k nits oled, just to look the faces of SONY hehe.

[@Hazemann]

Nah, OLED still win than Mini LED

[@MechAdv]

I’m on a CX and I’ll be waiting for fully phosphorescent OLED to upgrade. Massive increase in efficiency that should effectively eliminate burn in while increasing brightness. MLA should be a standard feature by that point as well.

[@suni08]

Same here, especially exciting monitor-wise when they switch to RGB subpixels

[@DNGR369]

CX is a massive step down from just the C2 or C3 with MLA. Waiting for that is like going from a Calculator to a Supercomputer. Good luck with that

[@MechAdv]

@@DNGR369 What are you talking about? The C2 is basically imperceptibly different than the CX other than improved viewing angles, and the C3 is up to 20% brighter in HDR, and like 5% brighter in SDR. Color Gamut identical between all 3 TVs. If I upgraded to a C3, an argument could be made that for the majority of content, I might not even notice a difference.

[@MechAdv]

@@suni08 Oh absolutely mandatory before I’d consider buying an OLED computer monitor. The way I use my computer monitor would be absolutely abusive to my TV.

[@LogiForce86]

@@MechAdv Using a G2 as a monitor (before that the B8, and both) without issues here on my gaming rig. But I can imagine in office use cases it wouldn't be desirable. I also own a HTC Vive vr headset with OLED panels and a HTC Vive Pro2 with LCD panels but whilst the resolution is higher the original Vive outshines the newer Vive Pro2 in dark scenes. If you are playing a driving/racing game in night time conditions with little light elements it will seem as if you are driving in a fog with the Vive Pro2. Also I bought a Samsung Galaxy S20+ with AMOLED and after that a Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 with LCD panel... again a dissapointment. If it's not OLED nowadays I am not going to buy it anymore. It is just causing me to be annoyed with the poor image quality and a backlight display is more tiring for the eyes than a self-emissive display, so even for eye strain and fatigue I'd prefer OLED.

[@HeavyMetalSonicRM]

Will OLED have the same fate as plasma? Why can't we have nice things? LCD is trash and I'll never go back.

[@bearclaw5115]

All tech will be replaced in time with something better. OLED will be around for a while.

[@HeavyMetalSonicRM]

@@bearclaw5115 What happened to micro LED? That's what Sony should be working on. Mini LED is going backwards.

[@earlyriser03]

Oh well, let’s get those liquidation savings on Sony OLEDs then. I’m ready!

[@Starbyter2]

This right here.

[@Displays.1234.]

Very easy to see QDOLED is the best.. I highly recommend everybody turn off all the power saving garbage and the light sensor, has it destroys the brightness and the picture quality.. The EU should do one.....

[@he.lena21]

6:58 You can't beat OLEDs response time.

[@MrHazz0]

But it also is not really a thing, because content is 60-144 hz or 16-6.9ms.

[@needsmoreclipping]

Which is part of why OLED sucks. The horrible stuttering on OLEDs as a result of high response times defeats the benefits.

[@erickbodom10v312]

@@needsmoreclippingwhat do you mean? They were saying that OLEDs have great (almost instant) response times. Not that they don’t have good response times.

[@yonkocommander5531]

@@erickbodom10v312that same instant pixel response time creates a distracting strobing effect when a continuous pattern is displayed, BFI was set to remedy this but the panel takes a massive hit in brightness, reduces your frame-rate by half, disables vrr and other processes, and it obviously increases the response time

[@DM-rc4yu]

@@erickbodom10v312 Near instant response times are not a good thing for motion it turns out.

[@tomelew8465]

Read my article, "How Nit-Nerds killed the OLED TV".

[@BAJF93]

It's probably because Sony needs to keep the margins and improve sales. They cant't keep the prices low enough if Samsung doesn't sell them the panels at a low enough cost.

[@whitecrowuk575]

Yes cause they fucked up with pricing in Europe and barely anyone is choosing Sony over LG or Samsung. Low energy use nice but I doubt we will see much noticeable image improvement over X95L. G4 will provide even better picture this year and Sony not releasing new oled will loose even more sales.

[@salesfocus6270]

​@@whitecrowuk575what are you smoking lol. LGs OLED sales are in the toilet this year and next year is basically a copy and paste of this year. Samsung's doing well but I think consumers will end up regretting it.

[@schwartzy65]

​@@salesfocus6270lg had over 66% market share in 22 on oleds and last year bit over 30% so not too bad imo

[@IdeoDLaw]

@@salesfocus6270hey, where is your Data from?

[@whitecrowuk575]

@@salesfocus6270 no data has been released for a year yet so the only person smoking something is you. G3 can be had for 60% price of A95L. In UK barely anyone buys Sony for that reason. Either Samsung or LG. Sony is awful value here

[@ouki4925]

But what about input lag? Are they finally able to achieve single digit input lag when using the best local dimming mode?

[@RealGreyGhost]

According to rtings, the G3 or C3 have the lowest input lag at half the A95L

[@techsamurai11]

@@RealGreyGhostBut it's irrelevant because you lose something for that lag and that lag is nothing compared to the lag of the game itself...

[@maynardburger]

@@techsamurai11 Too many gamers dont understand this. They're fretting over differences of like 3-5ms on the displays, all while console games are frequently running 70ms+, sometimes even over 100ms of lag just inherent to the game. Sure, some more competitive games will get down to like 40-50ms, but again, the difference of another 3-5ms or so will not be perceptible, much less meaningful for anybody but the most hardcore of hardcore.

[@techsamurai11]

@@maynardburger yeah Digital Foundry was complaining about 160ms for some games ;-)

[@RealGreyGhost]

@@techsamurai11 When you compare everything side by side, you're not losing anything. Dolby Vision? Very few movies and games even ship with it on a disc or streaming so it doesnt matter. The lower the number, the better.

[@businesstheotakuskitchen9000]

I'm calling it now...Sony will release a QD-OLED A95M once Samsung implements phosphorescent OLED. This feels like a stop gap move to let the Panel prices go down. Also since Sony has position the brand as Premium brand, they will see sales drop in the year(s) in between the transition to phosphorescent OLED. Most AV companies/Installers will still continue to push OLED as the only premium choice for their clients.

[@frostgodx]

Same way they told me in the 90s plasma was it

[@brianmoore581]

​@@frostgodxplasma WAS it. Plasma was the best picture until they quit making it in 2014. Plasma had deep blacks and natural skin tones that LED couldn't match. My Pioneer Elite 60 inch still works beautifully, though it has been moved to my bedroom in favor of my Sony A95L 77 inch which now graces my living room. Plasmas were heavy. Heavy means less profits for TV manufacturers due to increased shipping costs. Heavy means installers need help, so installation costs more for the average consumer that can't do it themselves because they are paying two installers instead of one. And plasma was just better than its competition in terms of video quality in its day, and more complicated to manufacture, so it cost more to start with. There are lots of reasons why one technology dies while another continues. Most consumers are looking for low prices. Not nearly as many are looking for quality.

[@LiberatedMind1]

LOL@@frostgodx

[@mastixencounter]

All the oled fanboys crying 🤣

[@noahflare6825]

The vast majority of people keep their TVs for a long period of time. I remember the days of Trinitron where the tv would last decades and corss generations. Mini LED would ensure longevity, and would make more practical sense for most consumers. With OLED you get outstanding image quality that degrades over time. Mini LED gives more consistent image quality over time, given a bit of tradeoff with image quality, which will be more acceptable to most consumers.

[@Demmrir]

Nothing is ensuring longevity these days because the software will eventually go out of support and become a hazard for hacking in your private network, it will miss out on support for new HDR modes, and the new HDCP encryption required to display content in a way that's harder to pilot means eventually any TV purchased today simply won't work for most content eventually. Isn't the future grand?

[@absolutium]

​@@DemmrirYou can use the TV without Internet in fact you should use it offline as soon as you get proper equipment.. Not only does the embedded software gets dated within a couple years.. but processing power of the TV gets split between picture quality and having to render the interface of the internal apps.. That's why several features are disabled until you use an external source.

[@Spoofaged]

Ahhh i kinda miss my old 300 pound 32" trinitron wega.. except when i had to move it

[@AntonioCunningham]

If Sony devices wasn't prohibitively expensive, I would be happy about this news because I'm no longer interested in OLEDs (the burn in risk is too stressful no matter how they try to midigate it)

[@ronnicholls327]

I have never walked into an electronic store, looked at the TVs and said that Mini LED looks better than that OLED. I doubt I will be saying that in 2024 either.

[@birdtj82]

Because the SONY purposely make mini LED inferior to promote OLED that sells for 2X price. The technology is there. They produce the lower tier for makeing the OLED seem its “worthwhile”. It’s all markeing . So creat the perception of “better vs worse” like iPhone 15pro vs 15

[@Markalot284]

Honestly I've had a LG OLED and now own a TCL mini led QLED, I am amazed with the quality of the picture on the TCL. I still prefer the LG but the quality is very close and we're talking about TCL here not Sony so I have very high hopes for a Sony mini led tv!

[@chembsajin5235]

Are you talking about qm8?

[@Markalot284]

@@chembsajin5235 No I have the 55r646.

[@rodmunch69]

I don't watch TV enough to justify buying a OLED, so went the same route, and while OLED's certainly look better - it's not like it used to be, the gap has narrowed a decent amount, so if you're not someone always watching TV, OLED is a hard sell with it's price point, and how good some of the higher end LED's have gotten recently.

[@CelicaAutocrosser]

Sadly this is just another Sony move letting us know they can care less about their consumers. OLED is far superior than what they are showing. Even that “developer mode” where it’s just showing the LEDs lit up, is still showing ALL white on the bottom of the screen where just the city was vs just pixels illuminated as they would be on an oled screen. I guess LG or Samsungs will be the TVs to get in 2024 if they keep oled.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

*Laughs in Sony A95L* 🤣🤣🤣 To hell with Mini LED LCD. Backlights suck. 🤮🤮🤮

[@TheAntifluencer]

Teh real king 👑

[@GRIFF22]

Some of the comments below make me laugh. It's clear 24 will offer no significant upgrade in OLED tech and so the A95L will still be top dog. But Sony can't stand still and hemorrhage LED sales to Hisense and TCL who put great emphasis on the spec sheet, and offer poor software support. More LED models in greater numbers will result in Sony LED's getting cheaper. I think in 24 they're going to position very impressive models approx 300-400 quid above TCL and Hisense and basically say to the consumer..buy those if you want, but for small premium you can have a much better TV and timely updates to fix any issues. Excellent strategy for 24 in my opinion. They'll be back in the OLED market in 25 when the Samsung and LG panels move on again, potentially PHOLED panels.

[@zr1cvette]

I’m sure they will still make an A80M. Which will automatically be there best 2024 tv lol. I’m feeling good about my A95L purchase lol…

[@GRIFF22]

@@zr1cvette Absolutely. I think many people forget that between 2017 models to the G2 there was only an increase of 300 nits or so with OLEDS. And then QD OLED and MLA improved OLEDS massively. This idea that you need a new model every year is a complete nonsense!

[@zr1cvette]

@@GRIFF22Is PHOLED further along then we think? I’ve heard PHOLED and Micro LED have to be in things like phones and tablets before becoming affordable at a big panel level. Atleast that’s what I’ve gathered from videos I’ve watched.

[@zr1cvette]

I kind of was hoping Sony would adopt MLA and bring the A90 back out. Make it MLA and price it between the A80 and A95. I thought that would’ve been cool lol. Only company giving you 3 OLED options.

[@GRIFF22]

@@zr1cvette Possibly 2025 is what I've read.

[@TheAntifluencer]

One major downside of this is that now with this News arriving, we can't expect prices for A95L to drop anytime soon then 😕 Ouch...haven't considered that as well....

[@flynncrawford1960]

I hope the price goes down. Up in Canada they want $4999 for the A95L 65 inch and I have seen the same size of LG G3 on sale for$3098. You can't convince me that the Sony at $1900 more is that huge of an improvement in picture. If that price doesn't come down a good margin then I am buying the G3

[@vlcheish]

It won't drop. Sony keeps very tight control of inventory on the Master series which is why the 95K never got discounted much at all.

[@DNGMaestro]

⁠@@flynncrawford1960i bought the 77 G3. Pretty amazing tv!

[@nerijusskirka6936]

In Lithuania A95L 65 inch screen size price - from 3 400,00 Euros.

[@zimm007g]

@@flynncrawford1960 LG TV's track you, Sony (as far as I'm aware) do not, however with their recent controversy surrounding removing Discovery purchased content it's difficult to trust any company nowadays.

[@roccobruno8027]

Sony must really hate Samsung because why else would Sony make such a stupid decision. Hopefully, this is simply a tactic to get better pricing from Samsung, which is something that Apple does on a regular basis.

[@TomJones-uw9bf]

What I'm hearing is that Sony sees higher profit margins on mini led tvs, and so they are putting marketing and engineering resources into driving that market even if it is inferior in overall picture quality to oled.

[@Crozz22]

That was a lot of words to say that LED is still worse than OLED. If you want uncompromising picture quality OLED is still the way to go. I care a lot more about per-pixel illumination than I care about my eyes being seared because of a higher peak brightness.

[@watcher63034]

I am sure many movies will just pop with this technology, but I love the inky blacks of my OLED. I based my TV on the type of movies I watched. My list is like sci-fi, space, and horror so John Wick, Aliens, IT, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dark Knight Trilogy, etc...all look great. It is just a matter of compromising on brightness or blackness when deciding on what TV to buy. For some people, the blacks in the non-OLED are perfectly fine, so maybe those are a better option ? Only thing I hate is the OLED will probably get wrecked in trying to move it to another place.

[@fredlar9421]

OLED has so many problems, it RGB start to degrade in different rates from the first second it's turned on. This product should be banned from selling to public.

[@curtx88]

This is like when Pioneer got out of the plasma game. Get em while you can

[@andyh4464]

Yup, and just like pioneer they are digging their own grave

[@magog6852]

@@andyh4464Google Sony’s holdings einstein. The grand daddy of media

[@KSWong-xi8cd]

Pioneer and then Panasonic wrote the history of the best TVs in the world with their plasma TVs for about 10 years. Sony was a poor loser in that period.

[@SuspectDK]

Terrible move Sony

[@shubhamgoyal4325]

Bright white is overrated, deep blacks is love..

[@RichardServello]

I won't be leaving OLED any time soon! I have an OLED and a MiniLED screen and the OLED is FAR superior!

[@tbone5654]

same

[@510maddog]

Which mini LED?

[@tbone5654]

@@510maddog Got the C8 OLED and Sammy QN90B neo mini LED.

[@RichardServello]

@@510maddog lg qned 75”

[@KillerkoUK]

I would still buy oled as my new TV in 2024 if I would decide to upgrade my current oled one... it's the best tv you can get, quality of the picture/blacks by far.

[@racephase]

too dim

[@KillerkoUK]

@@racephase not for me.. I use my TV as a PC monitor and never had this problem.. if anything, during night it feels too bright compared to my other 2 older monitors... and during day I have curtains if it's too sunny which in UK is not very often xD

[@AJ-FL]

Sony is a horrible untrustworthy company when it comes to tv’s (Their 1 year limited warranty) vs LG’s 3 to 5 year warranty proves how little trust Sony themselves have in their own tv lineup quality🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Will never buy any high end tv unless it’s backed with a 3-5 year warranty at a minimum 💯

[@SC-xf6xi]

I just bought a TCL QM8 (Mini Led) to replace my old LG Oled, it lasted a week the motion control was dreadful I tried every permutation of the motion smoothing control I just kept seeing jitter in fast moving scenes. I ended up giving it to my daughter and purchasing a LG C3

[@GreatVomitto]

It's a good move. OLED is good for movies in dark room, but when I tried to watch football game with highest brightness it wasn't good experience.

[@MichelleAlexandria-EM]

every CES it's the same thing all this "tech" to try to force LCD's to be OLED. Then all the people in the comments proclaiming OLED is dead. Mini LED isn't even cheaper than OLEDs either. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@bearclaw5115]

Basically, yeah.

[@tonep3168]

It’s cheap, and offers far more profit than buying LG or Samsung OLED panels, and only offers the customer more brightness, but will give you all the typical nasty LCD drawbacks as well . I’ll stick to my OLED, and let everyone else pay the same for a cheap set dressed up as “cutting edge” just like Samsung used to do.

[@fractalelf7760]

Agreed. OLED or die.

[@noclipp]

oled vrr flicker isnt a drawback?

[@Nothinglastsforever]

@@noclipp people aren't buying Sony oled TVs for gaming.

[@MightyGregu]

I believe all panel technologies will exhibit some flicker in dark scenes with vrr enabled and the frames fluctuating considerably

[@jayhovah5621]

​@@noclippmy G2 vrr flicker is fucking awful, but only on high refresh on pc. Ps5 is flawless. Cyberpunk at 120fps with frame gen works extremely well for some reason. Mortal Shell or Scorn have been the worst, unplayably distracting. But I mitigated that by capping the frames at 90fps. It's really a pc gamer's issue and I believe we're the breed to tinker with limitations to find a happy compromise.

[@Hypno_BPM]

Sony trying to save power consumption and most tv users that care about picture quality will turn off the power saving settings right away 😂

[@TheCrucialQ]

I love how Vincent provides more detail, the bits that help you understand why something works or doesn't work.

[@Subninja2012]

Dead pixels are a fact of OLEDS. Get over it.

[@gb3496]

Hasn't Sony always (in the last few years at least) kept its "flagship" TV for 2 years before a new "flagship" comes out? So it really shouldn't be "news" that in 2024 Sony won't replace its A95L until 2025.

[@mtrebtreboschi5722]

I dunno what youre talking about, a95l 2023, a95k 2022, a90j 2021.

[@jayhovah5621]

​@@mtrebtreboschi5722none of this makes sense because I thought the Z series was the flagship 😂

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

​@@mtrebtreboschi5722Z series is Sony's flagship. NOT the A series.

[@yanniobkirk5744]

@@mtrebtreboschi5722a95k was not a master series tv. A90J then A95L

[@micker9830]

@@yanniobkirk5744 A95K was absolutely a master series. Also, their flagship and won best tv of the year. BRAVIA XR MASTER Series A95K, that is the official name of it on their site.

[@constantincernat8948]

capitlaism is turning out cringe results. fingers crossed for cost effective crt tubes in 2028. #whentrinitron

[@yappa6222]

If the A95L hadn't launched so late, then a new A95M QD OLED would be put on the table for 2024. But alas, Sony has to use something else. See you in 2025 for the next true Sony flagship model.

[@Intelligenz_Bestie]

yep OLED is too expensive per area $/mm² and too inefficient in luminous efficacy, it's just gonna end up like plasma again, R.I.P.

[@bearclaw5115]

Nope. MLA offers 70% more brightness for the same power and phosphorescent blue inks will also improve their efficiency in the future.

[@Bug13]

I purchased my first OLED in 2020, a 77 LG CX, after hearing horror stories of burn in but also hearing how great the picture looks on those tv's. Well, after a little over 3 years, I am never, ever buying an LCD tv again. I was upgrading LCD tv's almost every year before getting the CX due to one issue or another (blooming, slow response times, HDMI handshake issues), but the CX has been the best TV I have owned and when it's time to replace it, I will only replace it with another OLED. I host movie night at my house and even though the CX is considered fairly old at this point, people still comment on how great the picture looks while we watch movies. I want to try the Sony OLED but the lack of 2.1 HDMI inputs has so far kept me away from them. As far as energy use, I couldn't care less and I believe this is nonsense that Sony is coming up with to sell LCD tv's for for a premium price, only to make a bigger profit.

[@RareFXChrisC]

I felt the same way as you did back in the day with Plasma TVs. Except, I knew not to even buy a LCD TV in the first place. I went from CRT TVs straight to Plasma TVs, then straight to OLED TVs.

[@wakaflockaproject]

Lcd is horrible

[@Bug13]

@@wakaflockaproject I agree but I also think that the majority of the population doesn't see a difference and believe all tv's are the same. I went over to my neighbors house a few months ago and noticed a pink halo all around the entire screen, the screen was burned out all around the edges, but they didn't even notice until I pointed it out to them. I would say they represent the regular consumer who believes that a 300 dollar TCL or Westinghouse LCD is comparable to a 3000 or 4000 dollar OLED panel because they look the same in the store, under bright lights and in VIVID mode, which their new tv is set to, with all the motion settings set to HIGH. I stopped providing any input cause it's their tv and they're enjoying it, so who am I to say they're doing it wrong.

[@pthetech-guy7548]

Same here. My cx is 3 years old old never a single problem..

[@christophervanzetta]

@@Bug13I always prefer saving $2,700 on something that’s going to die in a few years 😂

[@bionicwolf3342]

Viewing angle will suffer compared to OLED.

[@Niberspace]

Viewing angle only matters if you're watching with friends, let's be honest none of us have friends

[@zac99991]

​@@Niberspacelolol

[@NoonDragoon]

I echo a lot of others in that I’ll likely never go back to another type of panel lighting after getting my LG CX a few years back. The light bleed and lack of true contrast on LED panels is just too perceptible to me now, especially when I primarily use my TV in darker environments. And I definitely don’t think the savings of producing the new TVs are going to be pushed to the consumer, and I think anyone who actually believes this is very naive.

[@daisyduck8593]

That's strategy. To show independence. This goes in the direction of Samsung and LG in the form: "Hey look here, if you don't give us a good price for OLED, we won't buy anything, we'll build mini-LED instead." It's similar to what Samsung is doing with the Exynos: "Hey, look here, give us a cheap Snapdragon chips because we could also switch everything to Exynos..."

[@reviewforthetube6485]

What? Lol samsung is making there own qd oled panels haha. The only oled panels they buy from lg are regular oled and they will have an 80 series oled this year. Just no qd oled. Sony doesn't usually make flagship master seriees oled tvs every year. They skipped a year after releasing the a90j also. This is nornal with sony but again there flagship qd oled panels are made by Samsung not lg. Lg only makes wrgb oled panels.

[@nonfungiblemushroom]

First of all, LOL! Sony doesn't care about its customers so that "strategy" and "independence" is solely for their bottom line and nothing else. No reason to celebrate that as a consumer. This is the company that installed rootkits on their CDs to infect the computers of those they thought were stealing their music. They also just removed a ton of content from people's PS libraries that they paid for and thought it was all cool to just steal from their customers. It took a tsunami of internet backlash for them to reverse the baffling decision. Point being? Sony does not GAF about its customers, only its bottom line. Same could likely be said by most if not all companies and that's fine. But then there's no reason to admire their strategy if it's also their strategy to extract as much money from your wallet as possible. Regardless, this doesn't change that, at the end of the day, OLED is simply superior from an image quality standpoint. Consumers in search of the best image quality were virtually always steered to Sony OLEDs year after year. That won't be the case for 2024 and whether they were showing "independence" or not, they still left a lot of cash on the table and likely irritated a lot of their fans who were waiting for this year's OLED offering instead of buying last year's. Kinda silly to lose BOTH image quality and irritate your customers all for the sake of "independence". Perhaps they could, idk, charge less for their insanely overpriced offerings and maybe even include 4 2.1 HDMI ports by default?...

[@daisyduck8593]

@@reviewforthetube6485 -i don not know what you are talking about. Sony can buy oled from Samsung or LG. I f they show that their flagship will be mini-led, this will do cause pressure to OLED sellers which want to sell their OLED panels...

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@daisyduck8593 samsung and Sony don't hsve an issue. Lg and Sony have but that's it. That was my point. Believe me we will see more qd oled tvs. A1e, a9g and a90j were all skip years Sony does this. They srent going to release a master series oled or qd oled every year. Especially when the a95l was just released a few months ago and alot of countries still have them on back order. This is normal for Sony.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@daisyduck8593 but I do get what you were saying now but Sony isn't having issues with Samsung. My mind goes to lg and Sony issues in the past with panels so in my mind samsung and Sony are fine.

[@thenobleyouthofmadness55]

Vincent , I guess you did a terrible job of explaining the new backlight tech . You mostly associated it with energy efficiency and lower power consumption not what it brings to the table on innovative sides of things .

[@chrome3720]

Stay tuned more to come can only release what sony says

[@lancealex382]

I wonder how this advanced led processing will affect backlight speed in gaming mode?

[@mjingj]

Never been bothered by greys vs "true blacks". Always affected by lack of brightness in the real world. No thanks to OLED until it can hit 1000 nits sustained SDR (not happening in the next 10 years).

[@Braconara1981]

Really Sony? So someone drops 6k on a flagship set and cares about a couple of hundred dollars a year off the electricity bill? Oh please!

[@gscurd75]

Flagship models from years ago are now pretty mainstream and no longer anywhere close to the same price when released. Energy costs are also on the rise thanks to the climate nut jobs forcing more expensive power costs onto everyone so in the future, power draw may be a selling point.

[@itsanarse]

It’s EU law

[@goblinphreak2132]

no one cares about higher peak brightness. all it does is ruin the content. watching a dark scene and in the left corner is a torch? you can't see whats going on in the dark scene because your eyes adjust to the higher brightness of the torch on the wall. game of thrones is the perfect example. funny enough my Sony Xperia 1 mark 2 is 1000 peak nits in HDR. and when watching HDR content, its fucking horrific. Because said super bright torch on wall completely ruins your eyes ability to see in the dark. you can cover the torch with your hand so your eyes dont adjust.... and then you can actually see whats going on in the dark scene. then I switch to my A8H 55" TV in HDR mode, and same issue, the moment that dark scene occurs, the fucking torches prevent you from seeing anything in the dark because your eyes adjust to the higher peak brightness, making the darker scene unable to be seen. and I know damn well EVERYONES eyes work this way. outside on a bright day and walk into a dark home, your eyes take a few minutes to adjust. and everything look TOO DARK because your eyes need to adjust. HDR is a fucking joke. The ONLY positive part of HDR is better dynamic range and colors. I actually run my AW3423DW OLED monitor in SDR because it just looks better for all content. I still get inky blacks while brightness is more normalized. so watching game of thrones, said dark scene, the torch on the wall isn't making me squint or blocking me from seeing whats going on in the dark part of the scene.... you could argue that its the HDR graders fault for not giving the scene proper HDR grading.... but fuck all that. SDR is superior.... sorry, its just truth. play any competitive game in HDR, enemies can literally hide in dark scenes. play in SDR and they can't hide, you see them, because the brightness of the whole scene is normalized. we don't need life-like visuals from televisions/monitors. you want life like, take a walk, go to a mountain trail, go cave splunking. we need to stop this "tv needs to be lifelike" meme. the more brightness, the more eye damage. 10,000 nits tv? okay sun is on screen and you get blasted with 10,000 nits like looking at the sun, you wont be able to see the rest of the scene, your eyes will hyperfocus on the brighter sun spot.... its fucking stupid. as far as flagship, bullshit. the flagship will continue to be OLED. their midrange TV's will probably be miniLED in order to offer better pricing in the midrange, which is were most sales are. those of us buying expensive TV's are 1%ers. most people buy budget shit. hell most people I know buy cheap $300 tv's.... they refuse to buy expensive tv's. because most NORMAL people dont care. so making a cheap/mid range tv that is miniLED makes sense....

[@JJC1138]

That's certainly surprising. I wonder whether it's a decision that makes sense for the general customer (who never touches the settings and watches a variety of content in random lighting conditions) but not for the enthusiast who is willing to spend the time and watts for the best possible experience? I can't wait to see Vincent's review comparing the final TV with the top-tier models and see what the real-world results are like.

[@overtonegamer]

My reaction: Brightness: Don't care, QD OLED is still far good enough and will only get better. Energy Efficiency: Don't care. People watching TV in home consumer settings is not where our power consumption and climate change problems stem from as a society. Overall QD OLED is still a far superior viewing experience. This is just a cost cutting measure by Sony dressed up in BS technical reasons most people don't care about.

[@Eliteownage]

Yeah,the lower cost of LCD and potential of higher profits is definitely the real reason. Higher brightness is just a side effect and the only positive thing PR could come up with.

[@elvnmagi9048]

follow the money seems like the correct take here.. otherwise they'd be increasing the # of backlights drastically vs profit margin

[@michaelangst6078]

QD-OLEd cannot be improved on that much where as mini led can be improved on greatly with it's brightness, blacks and eliminating blooming. Sony has proven this with the X95L and it will be very apparent with their new flagship coming, There is also the fact Mini LED can come out in a 98 inch size without a ridiculous price nobody would pay for

[@Edog1337]

I do not care about energy efficiency. Zero percent. The $20 savings a year mean nothing. I only care about the best visual quality for watching streaming, movies, and video games. Latency, contrast, and deep blacks matter more than having potential for brighter screen. Brighter screens hurt my eyes, around 600-700 nits or so. The user base of people who need 4k nits or own content that even is mastered to this level must be at least 10 people. Soooo……who is the buyer for an LCD tv that costs as much as flagship oled or qdoled with worse performance at everything except that 2 seconds scene a movie with a really bright light.

[@stonebecame5155]

They are going in the wrong direction. OLED is such a superior technology, even if it can't get as bright. The pixel for pixel control with no backlight tricks is a game changer. No going back....

[@representj12]

Yep Exactly!

[@laggmonstret]

I don't get this obsession with higher brightness? I even have to lower the brightness on my OLED or I hurt my eyes ^^

[@stevewiley3832]

You are missing the big picture. Micro-LED is the end game. Sony's work on mini-LED FALD efficiency allows them to market/sell new TV's while spreading end game development costs across many production lines. Increasing efficiency is paramount as regulations for power consumption will only get tighter and tighter. This is Sony playing chess while other manufacturers play checkers. These efforts could potentially alleviate the need to purchase panels from Samsung, as Sony will have mastered the distribution of current to individual LEDs. Once LED pitch size and manufacturing is available for mass production, Sony is ready to power and control micro-LED at "consumer" power levels. All current micro-LED panel solutions use a LOT of power and are basically unsellable for average consumers, even if the purchase price was reasonable.

[@H0kieJoe]

​@@stevewiley3832 Micro-LED is the end game for LED TV's. OLED's will still be superior in your average home viewing environment.

[@stevewiley3832]

@@H0kieJoe What? The only superior aspect of OLED is the manufacturability today. Micro-LED performance is better by every measurable metric, and once it can be scaled for home use, OLED will be a thing of the past.

[@wingedhussar1453]

I don't mind this. I just hope they use ads ips panels .I want 85 inch ads

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Yeah i am aiming for my next tv to be ADS-PRO myself , looking for a Hisense or SHARP Aquos or Samsung

[@wingedhussar1453]

@2023_Tv_buying hisense lied to me about the 85 inch being ads .only 75 inch are ads. I've yet to find 85 inch that is ads ips

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

@@wingedhussar1453 i remember U! HUGS. Did u stuck with it now? I think kinda sad tho, cuz like I REALLLY DID NOT want ADS-PRO. I thought everyone was TRASH talking about IPS. N I thought they would be bad. It MUST SPOOKED the Company to last min launch VA. Cuz EVERYONE initially wanted a 85” VA. Now I am aiming at ADS-PRO. I Saw that Panel in store 75” its identical to QD-OLED.

[@wingedhussar1453]

@2023_Tv_buying I stil got it yes maybe if hisense has respect for customer they'd let me return in in a year I doubt it tho but the many hisense reps lied to me even their managers...I feel like they truly didn't know or were given wrong information. The 85 is the worst viewing angle tv I ever had picture is ok but wish it was ads. Every panel I noticed compared the ads panel has vibrancy that is just more natural like a plasma kind of like looking threw window .I also don't like the fake inky oled picture. So yes no 85 inch ads tvs yet let me know if you see one but is not from Samsung as they have forced motion soap opera effect I had to return before.it was ads looked great but motion was awful

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

@@wingedhussar1453 okay did u return the U8k??? I hope u did! In Marketing…..d go to method is :”sell customer the product THEY ASK For” kinda like if everyone wants GOOGLE OS forcing a good Visa…wont work . So since 2022 the HISENSE U8HQ got so many Back lash in UK AUS..ppl just be rating the ADS-pro. EVERYONE was ASKING for VA. Prob last min THEY thought they are doing Customer FAVOR for giving ppl what they ask for. We customers are Nagy. Cuz we dont nkow what is bEST for us. Just like for longest time,,,we thought OLED is best we just only want ONLY they dont even want to hear/see if BEING offered PREMIUM MINI LED. So what they they do. Still feel bad tho. Hope u got it returned?

[@34sld]

They only just released the A95L, so why bother with another oled

[@TheAntifluencer]

A95L is so good, literally looks like a 2024 QD Oled. /edit: unfortunately also still priced like one 🙁

[@34sld]

@@TheAntifluencer I have the A95K still blows me away & ain't planning on buying another for a while

[@popthiccle1158]

I want a 97" option for the A95L

[@keving5235]

money, there's no other reason apart from money, its a cost cut. its criminal not advancing oled/qdoled more and completely skipping mini led... micro led is what should be moved to next imho.

[@Anyguy4321]

You can see the massive bloom in the first comparison between OLED and miniLED already ...

[@JoeMaranophotography]

I have two mini led products and I can tell you the only problem has been flight simulator 2020 at night. That's it!

[@antisystemicparadise1202]

I have the qn90b, and let me tell you that if you setup the tv properly you can barely notice the blooming. If you raise everything at max then yes it won't only have blooming but it will scorch your eyeballs as well. Oleds are great but they are still weak compared to mini qleds. I had the C1 for about a year and i sold it to get the qn90b, because i couldn't see a damn thing during the day. So my brother bought the s90c qd oled for 1.500 euros, and i bought the qn90b on discount for 870 euros, but the s90c no matter if it's a qd oled it still suffers from that brightness weakness, which is a shame if you consider its price, a step up from regular oleds yes but still behind mini qleds. The qn90b is still far superior in this department let me tell you like any other flagship mini qled in the price range of the qn90b.

[@jakubraczak2311]

Its due to it being filmed. When you see it in person the blooming can’t be seen

[@thenonexistinghero]

Typically spoken by someone who doesn't know anything. Like that other guy said, in person you don't see any blooming for most part with the top LCD TV's. Only if you're watching in a perfectly dark room you might notice slight blooming. What you see on a youtube video is not representative to what you see in-person at all. Sadly most OLED fanboys don't seem to be aware of this fact. And the fact is that the best of OLED and the best of LED (which I also count mini-LED under) have pretty minor differences. LED can get brighter, OLED has a slight advantage in very dark rooms and some specific types of scenes like a night sky with stars. Outside of those specific scenes you won't even notice a difference for even the dark scenes unless you're in a perfectly dark room (and even then it's a minor difference). It's a shame KZbinrs don't properly cover this and just OLED wank all the way for most part.

[@GraveUypo]

@@thenonexistinghero that's utter copium. oled has massively better response times, lower input latency, way better dark image detail, better black levels, no blooming (YES YOU CAN SEE IT if you take off the bias-tinted glasses), better almost everything other than full screen brightness. youtubers say what they say because it's what they see and they don't have an agenda to cover, like you do.

[@JTSuter]

If the blacks aren’t as perfect as an OLED then I’m not buying it.

[@dagrimmreepa]

"Those of you from academia know this means you're still failing, but with more effort" 😂😂😂😂

[@andrewwallace9485]

All Oled Televisions and the Oled WRGB Oled type includes mobile 📱 telephone screens do degrades over time. I am honestly talking about the Organic QD-OLED Oled Television WRGB Oled Televisions which also degrades over time as well because of the Organic Materials that truly does not last a very long time! I truly thank you very much!

[@tomtomkowski7653]

Mini-led (later micro-led) is the future. OLED is great for manufacturers as this technology has built-in product aging that is illegal in other circumstances.

[@AttilaTheHun333333]

It's natural product aging. Every single electronic component has some sort of aging, so does a TV panel, no matter if it's LCD or OLED. This is far from planned obsolescence.

[@voiceofreason9258]

But the question remains, how repairable will they be? Part of being environmentally friendly is repairability.

[@antisystemicparadise1202]

My brother bought the s90c qd oled 55 inches and i bought the qn90b mini qled 55 inches. When we compared both side by side we couldn't see any major differences apart from the obvious perfect black levels of the qd oled and that was only when we made the room pitch black with no light pollution at all, and of course the advantage of brightness the qn90b has over every other tv out there, but still both amazing with their advantages and disadvantages, you simply can't have it all in one for the time being. Now when it comes to Sony as a previous user of a sony tv, well it had its issues but it wasn't a flagship and I've seen Sony's flagships last very long with no signs of quality degradation at all.

[@Isoquant]

interesting move from Sony. Personally, I'm sticking with OLED for the foreseeable future.

[@WestAard]

We need one dimming zone every 4 pixels squared

[@jatochofnietdan2115]

Good, fck oled. No more burn in!

[@3choblast3r4]

I'm glad I hope that also means their FALD screens get replaced by mini led or at least get more dimming zones. Sony's dimming zones with 1000 plus zones? Yes, please

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

The problem with dimming zones is that in game or pc mode the image quality drastically lowers, or you will get 200-300 ms added latency. Useless for gaming.

[@3choblast3r4]

@@Dr.WhetFarts Yeah that is completely nonsense. Modern FALD TV's have anywhere from 20/10ms latency. They don't get 200/300ms latency for using the FALD. IDK what type of FALD screens you've used but the ones I own don't turn off FALD when you switch to PC or Gaming mode. It turns off other processing like motion smoothing etc which is why gaming mode always tends to look worse, because it's turning off all that image processing they normally use for movies and shows. But FALD isn't one of the things that is turned off. Source: .. I owned and x900f, I own a "perfect for ps5" (according to Sony) x94j. and I own a samsung neo g8 gaming monitor with over a 1000 dimming zones and extremely low latency

[@thenonexistinghero]

Even for MiniLED Sony's amount of dimming zones is on the low end. I wish they just went all out instead of going with such low amounts.

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@3choblast3r4 Yeah, it is complete nonsense. Straight up lies. Even my 5 year old LED still has about maybe 20 ms or so latency even with HDR turned on. The image quality doesn't lower at all. In fact, it still looks absolutely fantastic.