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[@CuchulainAD]

A lot of competitive people are very narcissistic. Broken necks in judo do not surprise me at all.

[@diegocirilo1973]

it is not a martial art now, it is dangerous at all, very stupid thing due that you can easily seen that you have zero technique: horrible

[@shadowfighter6445]

I was taught to keep your chin to your chest every time you fall and/or roll. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[@ethienosinsky5186]

I've concussed someone with a bad uchi mata even though he tucked his chin, my grips on his arms prevented a proper break fall, I was ignorant of the dangers of judo throws coming from bjj, I used a lot of strength and little control

[@elmalifico3708]

This is something that I think about sometimes. I know recently we had the gymnast in Olympics withdraw from a competition because she felt it was not safe due to some issues she was having. In her case is was better to take the L and stay healthy than to risk a permanent injury. I feel the same as well if I see that the sports complex is not properly equipped, I may just “go” with being thrown and protect myself so I can land as safe as possible. I’d rather take multiple losses and be able to live life than to sacrifice my health in at best a Pyrrhic victory.

[@marceloisoni9158]

What I've notice in all of those falls is the missing basic rule when falling: chin to the chest, aways.

[@MuayThai4Ever]

Cheen?

[@marceloisoni9158]

@@MuayThai4Ever chin 😂😂😂😂 english is not my language, sorry

[@danielavila7914]

I found your channel because I was searching information about rib injuries, I got one in a randori in Ne Waza. Thanks for the video.

[@Chadi]

Speedy recovery 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@AliothAncalagon]

There are only a few things in combat sports that are scarier than a Judoka who throws someone with full force, without having any control over it.

[@AussieAnnihilation]

I keep trying to get into judo every year. I’m in my 30s now and work a phisical job. I last about 2 months every year. Until they do a class where we drill throws non stop on jigsaw mats all class, hundreds of throws from enthusiastic young people on hard mats always takes me out. Really disappointing because I love it so much. Even correct break falls after 150 throws is a lot.

[@francescomorales7812]

Every drop from judo can cause serious damage. In the streets, when you land on concrete, it’s game over.

[@jimlasswell4491]

Two years ago at 68 yoa my third spinal stenosis showed up, in my neck. I already had one in lumbar and one in thoracic that I certainly did not attribute solely to 40+ years of Judo. This one is different though certainly not the result of shiai. Rather it was randori on a crowded mat where I've gone straight down on the back of my neck when I was thrown by someone who ran out of room. I'm a big guy, never weighing less than 200 lbs when practicing, playing or teaching Judo. I have over the years seen plenty of Judoka (more recently), deliberately landing on their head to avoid their backs hitting the ground which certainly reminds me of why Kano Shihan was reluctant when it came to Judo as a sport.

[@jongler9775]

Well judo is an art of concealed weapons : the floor and the gi. The opponent's gi is your weapon, as well as your technique and the floor itself. Seriously, there is risk in everything. If one doesn't want to take risks, just stay at home doing nothing. I have a friend who practices ballet dance, and someone ruptured her Achilles tendon there. Injuries happen. Although I say that, I second Chadi's message. I have to be even more responsible in my judo practice, and I would hate to injure somebody. Last month I did an arm lock to a 20 years old, and he reacted weirdly. He didn't tape out and tried to get up on his feet while locked. He then felt pain and crouched. Afterwards, I was told he never learned arm locks before, but I didn't know at all. Plus, the guy used dropped seoi on me, so I thought he was proficient in the basics... I felt really bad afterwards. I really have to be more gentle, more careful. Not and easy thing.

[@bintarochan]

Chadi fueling my nightmares again. Thanks mate... On a more serious note, I will be even more careful after watching these. It's definitively not worth it getting hurt or hurting someone like this, competition or not. If I can add something (not related, but still) : depending on where you are, be careful of heatstrokes. Where I train, a 14 year old went a little too hard the other day and fell down from exhaustion after practice because of the heat. He couldn't move for a while and had to be taken to the hospital (he recovered without issue, fortunately). Be careful this summer, everyone. Stay hydrated. Stay safe.

[@imveryhungry112]

at least your aware now from this video so youll train safer. stay safe friend.

[@JohnLocke1776]

Safe & Effective 💉

[@Max-xz1ot]

I think that it is less about the thrower to have full control than about the one thrown to know when resistance will lead to injury. You have to know when it is the time to give up because the opponent's grip and move is too strong to defend. It means losing in Judo but also landing safely in reality, so just get back up for the next fight!

[@mikaxo4010]

True, better let go and be safe rather than resisting and get injured.

[@idlikemoreprivacy9716]

For years you'd even get penalized for an unclean throw and a clean, well executed throw was the only way to win (besides submission). This made the sport more beautiful, faithful to its roots and safer.

[@MannyG-no2ku]

Over extended arm lock and major shoulder injury were my take away from years of Judo. I loved the sport. Comepetitions are crazy and some clubs have a attitude of . I am the Teacher you have come to me. Until that changes injuries will continue .

[@bartofilms]

Agree 100%. Puzzle mats and wrestling mats with burlap sheets pulled over them are unacceptable surfaces for Judo.

[@gothalwildhammer5023]

Man, that was so wise. Sports should make us more healthy. We need to train judo/bjj/wrestling using also our brains. If someone in our class dont respect safty rules we dont fight with him. We keep always in mind to train in the way that will let us train till 80 or even more...

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

judo and martial arts arent for health. theyre for fighting.

[@youknowme1475]

@@RAPEDBYBLACKS self-defense the soft way*

[@NoRockinMansLand]

​@@RAPEDBYBLACKS Judo means "gentle way", if you don't respect safety rules then let your partner know

[@isidorocanones2954]

You can't expect to throw clean with 100% control every single time. Mistakes occur, nobody wants the other guy to be injured, but it can happen. Throwing someone is by it's own nature, violent. If we don't want to get hurt, just don't do the competition side of the sport. In every single sport, injuries occur, if you fall wrong, if the other guy throws you with no control, is nobody fault, they were doing their job

[@beskeptic]

Do you agree that is possible to a set of rules be safer than another set of rules?

[@isidorocanones2954]

@@beskeptic yup, but trying to make every throw perfectly clean isn't one of them

[@beskeptic]

@@isidorocanones2954 Yes, indeed accidents will happen. What Chadi is discussing is how to minimizing their occurance,

[@dylan_krishna_777]

Trowing art like Judo or Wrestling have highly more risk of injury then BJJ because there you already on the ground.

[@idlikemoreprivacy9716]

"Doing your job" means following rules, we can either keep getting hurt and banning throws or improve the rules to express the beauty and intelligence of the art w/o getting hurt. This is our job too.

[@TheSADHU88]

a kid got paralised from a neck down in a competition, i still remember this from high school.

[@gamesthatmatter9374]

impotence must be hapennign now also

[@kenwintin3014]

Dr Kano's greatest fear was that competition would ruin Judo and he was right.

[@jabcrosshookuppercut1793]

IMHO stop banning tachiwaza techniques, just score them differently. Only score tachiwaza if tori maintains his/her footing. Every example cited is one where tori lost his/her footing.

[@SoldierDrew]

To conquer others is easy. To conquer one's own ego is greatness.

[@jamesgiordano6772]

Chadi… Brilliant video. Let’s never forget that one of Kano Shihan’s core maxims is ‘mutual benefit’, which undergirds your point completely.

[@oguzmen5451]

Great topic and something I aim to counteract with training. But I'm still undecided on the approach. I studied Mike Tyson's drills and found out they caused chronic injuries.

[@CuchulainAD]

Yea man you gotta twist your hips on that slipping or your back will be wrecked.

[@watchenjoyer123]

How exactly Tyson's drills can cause injuries? You mean the hooks and uppercuts where you swing with your entire body?

[@gamesthatmatter9374]

@@watchenjoyer123 he did neck stand ups ... these will fuck up your neck

[@LilHoss4k]

@@watchenjoyer123 I believe he means rolling your neck around in awkward angles.

[@mider-spanman5577]

Very risky sport. Even in a dance people mess up sometimes.

[@zibtihaj3213]

First day at a judo club and one of the higher guys told me - you know the biggest lie …. Judo , the “gentle” way ! Lolll

[@cringeyidiotterry]

Perhaps because it was the historically gentle way in comparison to getting a sword stuck through your gut...

[@andrereynolds87]

Too many aggressive, careless, angry people practicing martial arts.

[@baldieman64]

I threw three of them out of my club when I was teaching. Hurting people, I don't care. Injuring people, or being so recless that injuries are inevitable, I won't tolerate.

[@belettedelamort3588]

In the dojo I only get injuries from lower belt because they don't control the falls or the locks. They do full force and no control. It is ashame because sometime you want to help the beginners while letting yourself go and they let you fall on the back or force your knee out of his place.

[@alejandrocantalapiedra5668]

Judo is a martial art, you have to recognize when you lose, in the way of avoid to be peoyected some artist move their bodies in dangerous positions

[@baldieman64]

There is a paper titled "Injuries in judo: a systematic literature review including suggestions for prevention". The full version (not just the abstract) can be found for free on the BMJ site. It's interesting to note that almost all head and spine injuries occur in young/inexperienced players who don't yet know how to fall safely. It also provides some hard numbers, and states that "In Japan, 26 judokas sustained a spinal cord injury during a 3-year period and 19 a neck injury in 8 years. Sixty-three per cent of neck injuries occurred while performing a throwing technique, for example, Uchi Mata". When one considers that there are eight million Judoka in Japan, the level of risk is absolutely tiny.

[@wsl3119]

My kid got a concussion too from sode. The scariest is if you don’t even realize that you’re hurt.

[@jb6368]

Good debate on you tube recorded between khabib and Henry cejudo/ Usman on wrestling v judo. Khabib literally praises judo to no end.

[@pichetkullavanijaya6908]

Chadi, this is precisely the reason that I strongly oppose sports Judo with winning, losing, egos, and very dangerous behaviors with complete disregard for the welfare and safety of another person who you could maim for a life time... Sports Judo is unethical... Randori for the purpose of learning I support 100%, but must be controlled and supervised by ethical and competent Senseis who give a damn... The intent of these wazas are not for restrains or control, but to disable, break, and destroy. That's what these wazas were designed to do

[@MrEdium]

"You and I Shall Shine Together."

[@jb6368]

Best martial art for street = judo. In today's society everything must be expected it's on CCTV or phone and may end up in court. In eyes of jury a judo throw " push" in jury's eyes is accepted better than closed fist ✊ thrown etc. A judo throw/ push can be debated in court compared to punches thrown. Nothing hits harder than concrete and a judo throw beats a single punch resulting in same result.

[@beskeptic]

"Control the landing" as you said could be understood as dominate your opponent to the ground! The fight is not over before the arbiter called mate.

[@TheHighPandaBear]

always thought this martial art was for short people. Now I know. Good video.

[@dostma1]

I got neck pain just watching the video. I don't understand how they can allow a competition on such hard surface in civilized world, when they risk ruining someones life.

[@philippemorotti4575]

I agree with you 100%

[@prvtthd401]

Im in on this idea.

[@idlikemoreprivacy9716]

Something is broken in tournment rules! Strongly agree with Chadi both competitors end doing exactly what we've been warned against every day of training: falling with arms and head in all the wrong places, not caring about how your rival falls, ...

[@beskeptic]

Perfect video! 100%!

[@StephenVTran]

7:05 note to self, try not to play guard

[@WakeRunSleep]

7:35 puzzle mats?

[@henrikg1388]

I think you are overdoing it a bit. I have seen beginner's tournament in Greco-Roman with suplexes that are far worse than this, but they train their neck muscles hard from day one. I can agree that at a very high level, uke and tori both want to win so bad that they are taking it to another level. But it is also a matter how common these injuries are. Yes you can ban a technique that is very prone to dangerous injuries. But any sport has some injuries and even fatalities. It' unavoidable. You cannot make judo completely safe. A return to more ne-waza and less throws + bring back the yoku, would probably be the best thing to make it safer.

[@dylan_krishna_777]

Judo should be a gentle art but after seeing this my thoughts are flowing 😁

[@thekungfuintellect]

Some nasty injuries in there. Hate to see it with really young kids too. 😬😬😬

[@shihantemplet]

It is impossible to have this as a sport and have aggressive competitors and dangerous techniques and then to ban your way to safety.

[@mapcec593]

This is judo indeed, not the sport but the self defense system.

[@youtuber15492]

Wrestling mats are much safer than judo mats

[@crustyjuggler382]

i dont understand why you said you dont want to hear judos a watered down sport, i love judo and think its a legit sport to learn for mma and maybe self defence but judo competition is about as watered down as it gets, like taekwondo, real judo had submissions . . .

[@7woundsfist]

Who's trolling? Anyone who is complaining about "watered down" judo has clearly never been launched into the ground. 😂

[@isachamidou4488]

I often see ju-jutsu in your titles but it's only about bjj or 1800's footages. While their many of sports forms of Ju-jutsu :D Have you heard about Ju-jutsu Fighting System ? It's like judo but you can do leg grips techniques (Morote Gari, te guruma, kata guruma..), leg locks, striking, kicking.. That’s all, I like the format of your videos, short and more spontaneous. Bonne continuation !

[@thecubeman381]

I compete in Fighting Ju Jutsu, it's really cool

[@geraintparfitt8073]

I would love to learn judo but at 53..I have to say it looks so dangerous

[@jongler9775]

Should you try it, go very easy in the first year. Check the quality of the mats first, and the mentality of the coach.

[@TheGurugora]

Just do bjj. Way safer and still a great martial art

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

"you should feel like you are on a trampoline" is that seriously how the mats should feel? i quit judo because i couldnt take the hard landings.

[@arshadmusafer3729]

Now days people don't know break falls.

[@jesseshaffer3951]

I think yoko otoshi and uki waza are really easy to hurt someone.

[@joe-hanhairy3882]

Nage-waza is a form of striking & not grappling.

[@janeygenraam7923]

I don't think it's just the mat or the technique that can cause serious damage, but simply the force and impact that some people can't handle (anymore).Especially in the elderly.

[@senseihitmanwayofkempo8305]

The rules cause players 2 avoid proper breakfalls the throw ippon win causes a resistance 2 the throw thus injuries .... let a good throw get scored but a good breakfall should negate the ippon loss no matts protect like a proper breakfall k n if u cant break falls stay out o judo

[@michiel5160]

Nothing wrong with puzzle mats, just don't do takedowns on them.

[@pignokor5536]

i know the dude at end is a total jerk but tbh sprawling position is pretty bad in self defense

[@sparke7236]

Hear hear.

[@joeb9986]

I saw the first picture before the video started - nope, don't want to see anyone's tragedy. ☹️

[@dextergarner1286]

The problem with sport jiujitsu and Judo is the ukemi. Maybe there needs to be a new system to making a recovery ukemi equaling a point or no point and and understanding when to accept defeat granting the nage the Ippon KNOWING there is no escape. You might have higher scoring matches with this though. This is one thing I feel Judo and JiuJitsu lack and could learn from wrestling, sambo, catch wrestling even Aikido.

[@dextergarner1286]

@star35mm true that.

[@MalaEstrella]

Aikido's ukemi is only apt for the kind of throws where you are forced to flip yourself, not where you get thrown. Their way to place their legs also seems to me like a good way to get you injured without need. However, I do fully support your idea. I have never liked "do or die" rulesets for this very reason.

[@dextergarner1286]

@@MalaEstrella I disagree but will admit it depends on what school of Aikido you come from. But knowing how to drop the head and tuck your chin, even if you’re dropped into a hole (break fall) will save you from a concussion. Wrestlers do it and can survive perfectly performed suplexes. There really needs to be more training in that area of taking a fall. But agree the “all or nothing” and “do or die” attitude isn’t really necessary in all aspects of combat sports. Self defense your life is at stake? Yes. But sport, you live to fight another day.

[@MalaEstrella]

@@dextergarner1286 Yes, ukemi should be standard training. It's just that, for what I have watched, aikido ukemi seems inefficient and too situationally specialized, especially compared to judo or sambo. Moreover, if you get thrown in self-defense, it will be much likely to happen in a Greco-like situatiation, with some dude bearhugging you and going for the drop, than in aikido, where he will try to twist your arm into making you do it. In the former case, judo or sambo ukemi are infinitely safer and more useful.

[@monirotim5131]

Techniques might be banned from competition, but they should still be trained... This knowledge cannot be lost

[@bluetiger5064]

If we keep advocating for the banning of techniques, then judo will forever remain a shadow of itself. I get why you want these techniques banned, but what gives you the right to tell someone that's been working for years of their life to specialize in that throw (Abe Hifumi) and has won world class tournaments using that technique, and tell them they can't use it any more Yes i know it's dangerous, but this is elite level competition with elite competitors, not an average tournament with your average hobbiest, in those tournaments I'd understand, but not for elite competitors.

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

banning techniques is gay. physical sports are dangerous. This is supposed to be combat not cuddling.

[@judokickboxer89]

I agree with everything that was said in this video but I do think that sometimes a person that is being thrown doesn't recognize when they've been had and try to resist and it ultimately hurts them worse than if they had just gone with the throw. Also I think that if you're going to compete, you better understand what you're getting yourself into and what could happen. I've played judo before and also fought in mma matches. I always accepted that the possibility of serious injury or death. It's just a risk you got to be willing to take

[@stuartpaul9211]

get rid of the judo jacket. that will sort a lot of things out.

[@QuantumPyrite_88.9]

Gi only judo isn't going away anytime soon. It's a sport.

[@paulfrost8952]

Using a headlock and then throwing an opponent could easily result in a broken neck.

[@ranfan1820]

Do Greco or freestyle if you don't like the jacket. The judo jacket is an important part of judo's identity.

[@bernardoj54]

The 'jacket' (gi) actually protects the defending person. All the issues presented in this video exist and are worse in no-gi.

[@QuantumPyrite_88.9]

What is called "The Gentle Art" can injure people? Walk away and quit crying about it if you can't handle it.

[@michaelwaynetucker]

The point is that some people don't get to walk away, and your tough-talking youth naivete isn't impressive in the way you imagine.

[@ethienosinsky5186]

I cringe so hard when I see someone hitting the mat like that, but I think competitors should not bear the responsablility of their opponent's safety that's the referee's job to keep athletes safe. Your idea to have rules regarding controlled technique is on the right path

[@kickboxing3728]

How is the referee supposed to prevent injury from a quick, uncontrolled throw?

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

You are one of the biggest cry babies in the martial arts space. It’s fighting. Or is it not?

[@sen-sai1342]

i left you talk a lot of bull

[@apekillssnake]

The Martial Arts have always made the Statement that it is too dangerous for sport. Which I agree. There are some people inside the Martial Arts with Killer intentions to do serious damage to the other. I would not go into competition for this reason! If it is competitive it should always be performed as a Gentle-Art. Some of the guys energy for competition is total wrong and amped up like it is a real fight.

[@thebeingbecoming3596]

Judo is a sport. It's not meant for self-defense.

[@ilVecchioKoala]

A bit out of topic, but here are a couple of proofs that is was also meant for self-defense since the beginning: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kime-no-kata and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokan_Goshin_Jutsu

[@thebeingbecoming3596]

@@ilVecchioKoala You're right, no doubt, but Judo in its original form is very different from the sport that has been made out of it. Judo can still provide you with some transferable skills for self-defense, but on its own the sport of Judo does not provide strategies for self-defense as it's focused on winning a match according to the rules of the sport.