Here's Why I Replaced My Tacoma & 4Runner with a 2020 Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road - Dude I Love My Ride

[@amigillo]

Great video guys.I love this type of content keep the good work .

[@randys3010]

I don't love this at all. I think this guy needs help.

[@stevenoff-road4685]

The prius trd 😂

[@MikePowlas]

@@randys3010 See the Dr. ASAP you need help.

[@icare7151]

Just purchased 2021 4Runner Limited Our 4th Toyota 4Runner: Greetings From Colorado Springs, CO INITAL Quality & Functionality Review 2021 4Runner Limited in Blizzard White, Black leather, 3rd row seats, auto running boards, Vin JTEKU5JR0M5858032 had 11 miles purchased last week, 300 miles to date: The ❤️Good & 👎Not so Much Positive ❤️Full time 4WD 3 modes: 1)4WD Hard Surfaces, advanced full time 4WD 2)4WD Transfer Case Lock HIGH GEAR: Loose surfaces ONLY: Mud, dirt, snow, ice, sand (NOTE: can lock on the fly at any speeds, wheels straight) 3)4WD Transfer Case Lock LOW GEAR: For MAX Traction Loose surfaces ONLY: Mud, dirt, snow, ice, sand This mode also has Selectable 1)Advanced Traction Control Selector 2)Down Hill Control Selector NOTE: vehicle must be stopped, wheels straight, brakes depressed, in Neutral to select this mode setting) ❤️Good Trunk Space ❤️Awesome suspension & drivetrain on Highway driving; corners and cross winds. Living in Colorado Springs going up NORAD Road on Cheyenne Mountain every day handles better than our Lexus RX450h. No experience yet with off road, and on road snow and ice. Will update when experienced. Our Prior 2005 4Runner had same type of full time 4WD system & suspension. The 2021 Limited definitely has a more refined and updated version. We do miss the superior fuel economy and performance of our 2005 4Runners 32v V8, comfort of front seats and significant higher overall initial quality. ❤️Safety Technology Nice Updates, will report as we get more experience with. Major Unacceptable Initial Quality Issues & Design Flaws: 👎1)JBL15 Speaker Premium Sound System, sounds like every speaker is fried regardless of settings, No surround sound setting, did they install the correct main unit? Is the amp working? Our 2005 sound system is superior and as a sound and recording engineer the sound quality is totally unacceptable. Reported issue to JBL case number 07156115. 👎2)INTERIOR LIGHTS Huge SAFETY Problems: -😡2nd row passenger overhead light a total joke, way too dim and no passenger reading lights. -😡No 3rd Row overhead lights or floor lights, trip hazard at night when getting in & out of 3rd row seats. (My Parents 1977 Ford station wagon 2nd & 3rd row jump seats had superior overhead lighting with individual reading lights!) -😡No backlighting for mirrors or dash dimmer switches, huge safety problem at night trying to find switches -😡Poor backlighting on window & lock switches and door handles etc. Way too dim and some only partially light up. Unacceptable. 👎3)Front Parking Sensors -😡No adjustment for distance -😡No Front Parking Center Sensors, totally dysfunctional, unacceptable, worthless. Parking behind a pickup with a hitch and ball and another parking instance of a low center post revealed this design functionality flaw when parking For the front end of the vehicle. The cost for the additional front center parking sensors is insignificant on a $52,000 vehicle. What are we missing here?? 👎4)Missing Top Windshield Tinting 👎5)Missing Front USB Charging Port (can’t locate 2nd front USB charging port, as advertised “2 front USB ports”) 👎6)Defective Driver Side Headlight Huge shadowy spots, likely some of the LEDs are not working or debris in lens or design flaw 👎7)Fog Lights Beam aimed too low & does not have enough depth or width. Clearly from the parts bins, appear to be from our Lexus RX450h! 👎8)Front Seats Quality & functionality -😡Drivers seat has bizarre quality defect side dip in bottom center padding/springs. -🙁Passenger seat no lumbar support or height control -😡Front Seats Low quality stiff leather, lacking padding and support, unacceptable for this top of the line price point. Our 2005 4Runner we traded in with 176,000 miles has superior front seats in comfort, support, quality and overall functionality. 👎9)Automatic Running Boards -😡Squeak loudly, Rattle and Shake when extending & retracting. -😡Don’t extend low enough -😡Not wide enough -🙁Can’t install front mud flaps (The automatic running boards came with vehicle, definitely not worth the $. They are “cheap”, tinny & dysfunctional in all aspects especially for Colorado Rocky Mountain Driving in the Winter and off road. The overall unacceptable low quality & functionality of the automatic running boards detract from the vehicle at this price point.)

[@scottmarley3850]

Researching for purchase. Other things i heard bad about Rav4 TRD. Very low clearance and no front skid plate.

[@DJ_Underwood]

I actually really respect this dude, lets be honest, many people over buy a car because they think it makes them cool. I see plenty of 50k Taco's in my work parking lot that have NEVER seen dirt. He bought what he needed, nothing more. If you have a family sometimes being practical is the smart choice. Nice job as usual TFL.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Agreed. Body-on-frame trucks only make sense when you actually need their unique capability. As a style statement/ replacement for a unibody vehicle they make no sense at all.

[@mannymotta2174]

My TRD off road 4wd doesn't see dirt either...but as a firefighter that needs to get to work...I've gone through some serious high snow. Also it has a great payload I frequently use and tows 6400 lbs. So even though I don't off road it, it is very homeowner handy. Plus fits 5

[@DJ_Underwood]

@@mannymotta2174 Exactly my point, you use your vehicle / need your vehicle. This guy realized for his purposes that wasn't anything he needed and made a good choice for him and his family. And thanks for your service!

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@mannymotta2174 In other words, you actually need a truck.

[@mannymotta2174]

@@rightlanehog3151 geez...You got me on that one. What homeowner doesn't though? Idk

[@SkywhiteChannel]

Toyota Sienna TRD Pro is next for this man.

[@martinkaz06666]

Id buy that shit

[@glsracer]

I'd be down for that!

[@billgreen3629]

The old supercharged, manual transmission Previa was great. I wish they’d do something like that again.

[@Minsang1st]

There is awd sienna. Probably the closest thing

[@mixflip]

I would totally buy a TRD off road Sienna!!!! I have 3 kids and we have camped in our mini van once or twice.

[@Locotropic]

Let's apreciate and give a thumbs up to this man who gave his car for a review and test ride so we can see how it looks and performs, kudos to him

[@Danalpark]

“I don’t think safety should be a luxury.” Profound statement lol

[@jeffs6090]

Exactly! All these safety systems out there on or available on virtually every new vehicle needs to be standard. Blind spot, lane keep, surround cameras, adaptive cruise control, etc should be like seat belts, abs, and air bags. They should not be extra cost options. Some companies are getting there, but most aren't.

[@jeffs6090]

@@eagleeye7792 - I would think that it would be cheaper if that were the case. Instead of having to make and stock multiple systems for differently optioned cars, and make different electrical harnesses for each, there would only be one. Your average vehicle would have 5-10 options of safety systems, stero systems, nav screens, heated/ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, pano roof, etc. Each thing needs to have its own r&d done, engineered to fit where it goes, be manufactured and shipped to the factory (different stereo systems would be made at different places), have differing just in time deliveries to be placed in their own bins at the work station for the line worker to install. One model can easily have several combinations of dashboards (notwithstanding different leathers or colors of interior trim) pertaining to the electrical components alone. Having multiple options in a car, even multiple options for the same thing (stero), is what makes the options as expensive as they are. I would argue that most people would like to have all those option boxes ticked on the car they want, but don't get most because it added another $5-12k to the price. So they get the lesser priced model without the options they wish they had. If every model had all the options as standard, then that should drastically reduce the cost of having multiple things to make and therefore make the cars cheaper in the long run. I would like to see the options for a car being: exterior color, wheels, engine, interior color and materials, trim level (which would then just consist of differing designs and materials elements). Basically just aesthetics since those types of options are subjective from person to person. So, if you want to argue that you don't need a heated steering wheel because you live in SoCal and therefore you don't want to pay for that option, well your car would still have it and you just will never turn it on. But that car may end up in Minnesota as a used car and that person would love that it had that. I doubt that would ever happen, but at the very least, the safety systems should be standard across the board. Again, in the long run, it shouldn't make it more expensive due to not having multiple systems to choose from. Sorry for such a winded response.

[@tomeng9520]

Volvo telling that for years.

[@lfish21.]

Subaru is now offering eyesight on their entry vehicles and I think that's awesome. Every manufacturer should be doing this imo.

[@guyontheinternet8891]

@@jeffs6090 Yeah I agree. All those safety options cost a bit of money. Like enough money to buy an entire used car.

[@BGaud]

Toyota is slapping TRD badges on everything now. What’s next a TRD Prius?

[@jtstanley26]

Yeah it’s annoying as hell

[@INUMIMI28]

They already have that you know

[@BGaud]

@@INUMIMI28 I didn't know that. that's ridiculous!

[@smokestack9795]

I’m a Toyota fan but even I agree it’s silly!

[@JJustinXu]

Brian Gaudette There is no such thing as a PRIUS TRD.

[@nathankestin1922]

That RAV4 is badass! It's the perfect mix of off-roader and family vehicle! Keep up the awesome content TFL!

[@HoosierDaddy_]

This owner knew his stuff! He could do car reviews for a living. This seems to be a pretty cool little CUV. Man, they are expensive. I could actually trust that this one would be a good, trouble free car to own though.

[@rmh6668]

They should have shoved a 3.5 V6 again... That would have been legendary

[@rightlanehog3151]

For this price it should have a V6.

[@DanielHernandez-ng5mx]

Wait two more years.

[@kyrosmike]

I bought a Camry V6 myself, Rav4 with similar features was the same price. It was POWWWWA or more cargo space.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@kyrosmike Logic would suggest an AWD, rugged, outdoorsy TRD RAV4 needs a V6 more than a FWD Camry.

[@slump45]

The RAV4 prime will be the replacement for the v6, it will have over 300 horsepower and will go 0-60 in 5.7 seconds.

[@piecetrain9767]

Like this guy, I went with the RAV4 over the 4Runner. 99% of my driving is in a large city, and of the off pavement driving, at least 90% of that is handled just fine without anything above the RAV4. I don't need a Tacoma or 4Runner to justify my man card. Make no mistake, the RAV is no rock crawler. I average about 29 mpg per tank mixed city driving. I considered an Outback, which I like, but the CVT and weaker engine with worse real-world gas mileage was a deal killer for me. I think the RAV4 last longer as well. And there is a vocal group of Subaru owners who are insufferable--like the kids in school who had to tell everyone about their great exploits and try to believe it themselves. They drown out all the cool Subaru owners. I could not justify the extra money for a TRD that does not offer much over the Adventure trim I bought. I suspect when it is time to replace struts the TRD struts could be used. My tires are actually wider (235 vs. TRD's 225), but I do need to get better tires and a full-size spare. I'm not sure I will go down to a 18 or 17" wheel, although I have looked and you can get very close to the tire circumference on the 19 wheel so the speedometer is essentially the same. I have Husky aftermarket floor mats through Amazon that are cut to fit and lighter than rubber but a similar material that is easy to clean. I hate the seatbelt warning for the second row of seats and need to figure out if that can be turned off. Road noise is louder than a Subaru. Also, be advised the 2019's AWD system may need warranty work. The transfer case can have some issues. There is a Toyota Service Bulletin on this you can find with some research. I just had mine in yesterday and they confirmed that some parts need replacing. My understanding is the fix is supposed to be permanent but that remains to be seen. [see my update in reply below for detailed additional info]

[@TucsonDude]

Good info...thanks!

[@derekstark6612]

Thinking about buying a RAV4 ‘19. Should I reconsider??

[@piecetrain9767]

@@derekstark6612 so the plot thickens. With warranty issues to transmission I am not sure. I like the vehicle and note some things I don’t like but are not deal-killers for me. The transmission though is a concern and I don’t know that they have figured it out. Here’s real world with just under 50k, taking it off pavement but not abusing it, and not drag racing it (good luck with that engine). First warranty work was the front transfer case that not even the dealer knew about. I had to educate them. Part was in short supply but I could drive it in the meantime. At about 20 mph it had a soft grind after the vehicle warmed up. Took more than a day once part came in. 1/29/20 mileage 5,484. That fixed the problem. Note the vehicle is still a little jerky at certain speeds (slowing down very gradually at maybe 20 mph for example). I think that is just the style of transmission. 12/11/20 for a free oil change they identified a recall for the fuel pump. Possible stall at high speeds. I never had that problem and fix took a couple hours maybe. I change my oil now when free service expired. Part not available immediately and for whatever reason (them or me( not replaced until 4/29/21 at 37,247). 1/5/21 I took it in 27,087 miles because when camping it would not change modes (go into mud/sand or rock mode). It has been rainy and the cabin was very very humid. But I don’t think we spilled water into the mode shifter. I think that was the problem. They couldn’t find anything wrong with it and I haven’t had the problem since. Seems like Toyota should have put gasket under the shifter. Finally a check engine light came on and the transmission felt “off” when I went over a very bumpy raised railroad track. Out of normal warranty but within drivetrain warranty. 7/8/21 at 40,975 miles. The rear differential assembly for torque vectoring differential failed. I could still drive 2WD before that. That was another couple days as I recall and looking at the parts list was no doubt another very expensive fix if I had to pay. There was also a reprogram of the computer with that issue. I replaced the tires that were Yokohama as I recall. They didn’t last nearly as long as I thought they should but performed well in our snowstorm event this year in Texas. I was one of the few on the road much of the time. I have Michelin Defender LTX tires now from Tire Rack and do have the full size spare. I bought an OEM spare off eBay. I like the vehicle. The only real problem is the transmission and I don’t know how that will ultimately pan out. I would probably go with a newer model year or if you don’t need AWD one of the models without it as those issues are strictly with the AWD. I still don’t like the lower sidewall ratio and it frustrates me but I’m not willing to change out all the rims and get new tires. It has performed well enough off pavement and I’ve only turned around twice out of concern in very rough conditions. The sunglasses holder is too small. The cabin is dark for my midlife eyes. The steering assist veers right when in the right lane and an exit lane opens to the right. Kind of annoying. I found some components vary significantly in price depending on the dealership. That has nothing to do with the vehicle but I did not find that with my Ford vehicles here. I changed some cabin lights and the backup lights to LED. Outside the vehicle can be dark to sides and back in poor weather but that’s common to vehicles. Danny Rocksteady on KZbin has done a number of modifications if you are interested in that. I wanted to keep mine more convenient for road travel and if You wanted a real off-road I suggest going with something else. But this functions very well in my opinion for most off pavement. But don’t take it to Moab. Gas mileage is good. I average 29-30 in a very big city. If on an open road at up to about 60 mileage is amazing-something like 34. Up to 75-82 or so and it drops significantly to 28.

[@glow4417]

@@piecetrain9767 thank you for the long post. I like Subaru`s but I am considering rav4 for next car. The expectation is to get more reliability and longetivity out of the car. But Toyota has had issues with the rav4. Hard to escape issues with cars from any manufacturer, hopefully Toyota figures it out...they usually do.

[@stapleboss]

Just put those Falken Wildpeaks on my SUV and they are awesome. Best tires ever in the rain and snow.

[@James-il3tq]

Excellent all rounders but don't match winter tires in winter.

[@stapleboss]

@@James-il3tq Best I've ever had I guess. I'm in New England and have never met anyone who had winter/snow tires, let alone owned a set myself. These are more than enough.

[@abdulhamza172]

The guy definitely knows what he's talking about but I still think a month is somewhat too early to judge...

[@MBR4740]

I purchased a new 2019 Toyota RAV4 Adventure and have put almost 11,000 miles on it in both heavy-duty winter driving, 4 times across the Rockies in November & December 2019 as well as light off-road trails at ghost towns in Montana. Right after my purchase, I replaced the stock 19" wheels with 17" KMC wheels and Yokohama Geolander 235/65R17 108H All-terrain tires. (I also purchased second set of wheels with winter Michelin Latitude X-Ice tires in the same size since I only have snow 2 months of the year but wanted performance without wallowing tire ride in the shoulder months. The RAV4 with the dynamic torque vectoring system has really held its own with rock-steady assurance in passing vehicles on compact snow and ice on steep high-altitude passes. Any slippage is quickly reeled-in with amazing capabilities. Meanwhile, in moderate rocky washed-out roads and trails in ghost town environments, the terrain management system really performed well. Similar to the guy in the video, I purchased the RAV4 Adventure for dirt roads, basically to get me to a back lakes for fishing, as well as exploring forestry roads. Fuel economy has been great and the radar cruise and steering basically drives itself on interstate highways at 80 mph, where I consistently got 32-33 US mpg in Eco mode. The driver seat, with the heated and ventilated functions, is great for long road trips. Engine noise was an initial issue during the test drives, but I've since learned pressing the accelerator half-way down gets good results without the sending the engine and tranny into freak-out overdrive. I installed an official Toyota dash-cam, which is definitely pricier than after market models, but it is fully integrated with the vehicle. Next spring I'll likely install official Toyota tow package ($ 1,000 range) which is pricey, but is engineered to integrate with vehicle frame, plus it preserves ground clearance, whereas after market systems trim at least 1 inch off clearance. Minor gripes include back seat that only folds down 85% and it doesn't look like one can easily remove rear seat bottom. In rainfall, the doors do not appear to have rain water window run-off sills. The interior ceiling lighting is relatively dim, but I'll replace with Toyota approved LEDs (watch out for no-name bulbs from amazon which can cause lots of flickering). Overall, after 11,000 miles, I've really come to appreciate my RAV4 Adventure. All it would take to pretty much match the TRD version would be after-market shocks as I already have Yokohama All-Terrain tires. Great video guys although only 1 month with the vehicle. Please do an update video once he has taken his RAV4 TRD off-road in dirt forestry roads and moderate rock environments.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Thanks for all the details. 19" wheels make absolutely no sense on this type of vehicle. #SaveSideWall

[@GundamDroid]

Hello Mr. Bennet, Would you please be so kind to link that Dashcam you purchased? I’ve got the 2019 XLE, at 1800 miles someone hit and run my car. Had I a dashcam I wouldn’t have to had to pay for the repair. I agree with all your cons. I’m looking into buying window rain guards, every time I open the door in the rain or snow it falls all over my uniform. I’m also looking at LED replacements for the interior dome, trunk, lights, Fog and reverse lamps. I plan to keep my RAV for a solid 10 years or more. Eventually I may replace all the body trim moldings, for the glossy pieces in 5 or so years. I was thinking of getting some sort of rhino lining for the undercarriage to prevent rust. I’m still researching if that’s a worthwhile idea.

[@MBR4740]

@@GundamDroid Yes, really important to have a sentinel recording events. The Toyota 1080p unit will record 8 seconds of "events" (and up to 10 successive "events") when it is parked with the vehicle locked. Overall, just google Toyota dash cam which should also be found in the accessories section of their web site (which includes summary videos). You Tube also has some good channels that review some top non-OEM dash cams (which are usually cheaper) but I paid more and went with OEM dash cam since already designed to be used in Toyota products. Their memory card is only 8 GB and possibly had issues, given that it actually didn't record some road trip video. I bought extreme endurance 32 GB card (which I believe the maximum size the Toyota dash cam can handle). I haven't checked it yet but will soon to ensure recording everything. In the event of issues, it is a Toyota dealer install, so warranty service shouldn't be an issue.

[@GundamDroid]

Michael Bennett Thank you kindly, I will research into it. I wasn’t aware Toyota had such products! Thanks

[@mct8888]

Dudes driving RAV4’s. Toyota mission accomplished.

[@Xrex-li1yb]

mct8888 it’s so cute and small

[@vxnova1]

I’m not sure that was meant as a compliment

[@iangonzalezc]

So true!!!

[@jminaya90]

This version is way more "macho" than ever before

[@LeadfootLou]

mct8888 - Yeah remember when the RAV4 was a total “chic” mobile 😀

[@johnstrand2247]

No recovery hooks on an "off road" model? Kind of kills the whole idea of this vehicle.

[@TucsonDude]

It's not a Wrangler. Even my TRD Tacoma 4X4 doesn't have "recovery hooks".

[@ScottRidesHonda]

@@TucsonDude I don't think you are looking hard enough... My sr5 tacoma (2nd gen) even has recovery points. Look under your front bumper.

[@bassage13]

@@ScottRidesHonda Those are tie downs. Not supposed to be safe for recoveries. Same as the 4 Runner. People use them anyway.

[@ScottRidesHonda]

@@bassage13 what are you smoking? The massive tow hooks attached the frame are very much intended to be used to pull out your truck when you get it stuck. Why the hell else would they be there? What are you tying down to drag in front of your car?

[@johnreese3762]

Thinking the same thing!!

[@thebigempty_5792]

I just camped out in NM and was out on some pretty rocky terrain/ the next morning I heard a vehicle slowly passing on the gravel rd. I popped my head up to the top of my tent....it was a Prius with a Thule luggage rack lol

[@Bostonharborwater]

I think it looks good. Total shame they don’t make it with a v6. My 2010 v6 was Awsome.

[@kevina2052]

Yeah, the new 3.5 liter V6 makes 301HP. That 2010 made 269. I guess they figured the new 2.5 was enough power, it's also up 30hp over the old engine. I don't think they sold that many with the V6

[@philtripe]

@@kevina2052 they sold mainly V6's...the problem is the abysmal fuel mileage of 19 mpg is what a full sized V8 truck should get. besides, how fast do you want soccer moms going in these things?

[@Bostonharborwater]

2big 2fail Well they make 1/2 ton pickups with 4-500 horsepower. Soooooo. 300 is to much to ask for? Lol. Kind of a joke. They make a TRD pro rav4 and it makes 60hp less than my ten year old base model rav4 did. Lol.

[@ww420]

Totally agree. I also had a 3rd gen V6 RAV and it was great as a daily driver, on road trips, and getting up to the mountains. Outstanding utility; only complaint was road noise. RAV4 Prime PHEV being release Summer 2020 is intriguing. Quickest and most efficient RAV to date. 302hp 0-60 in 5.8s; 39 mile all electric range; 90mpg(e). pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-revs-up-lineup-with-new-302-horsepower-rav4-prime/

[@James-il3tq]

I got the hybrid XSE model for this reason. After test drives realized hybrid models have much more pep then the gas ones. Phev 2020 model should be awesome.

[@rightlanehog3151]

WOW! A RAV4 that costs about as much as a SR5 4Runner. That's like buying a Corolla for the price of an Avalon. For anything NEAR that price this RAV4 ought to have a 300 hp V6 not a 203 hp 4 cylinder. BTW I fully support the decision to downsize to a CUV if you really don't need the body-on-frame capability of the 4Runner and Tacoma.

[@voodooaudio]

That's why I bought the 2019 Honda Passport Touring for only $1K more than the Rav4. Significantly better value IMHO, has V6, torque vectoring AWD, more towing capability, quieter inside, more spacious, full suite of standard safety features. The only thing I would change are the 20-inch wheels and low profile tires but on the street they handle extremely well. I own a Tacoma and had two 4Runners. All excellent but the 4Runner handles like a land yatch on the street and sucks up more gas than I'm willing to tolerate. My use case is 99% street and 1% trails. If I lived in the mountains I'd probably go 4Runner but I'm a suburb person.

[@terrywaters6186]

It has a lot less weight to pull and gets nearly twice the fuel mileage.

[@Mcivstx]

Im just waiting for the RAV4 prime that’s coming next year. 302 net hp, ~40 miles of pure ev range and 90 mpg-e. Plenty of get up and go and for short hops to the store I don’t have to even touch my fuel tank.

[@drakeanton2000]

That’s the whole point. A top trim RAV4 is the price of a low trim 4Runner. You won’t get all the interior features in that 4Runner. Better gas mileage and a more comfortable ride and drive. If you need a big suv for snow and off-roading then that’s the move.

[@EarthToNomad]

Cost of owning a vehicle goes beyond buying price. You buy what you need, like this guy. Owning a 4Runner is expansive investment (believe me:) in terms of fuel and insurance. While this one gets 28.5 mpg and 204 hp gives you lower insurance rate.

[@1974gladiateur]

A RAV4 is not an. Off-road vehicle like the 4Runner. It’s not a 4x4 either like the Tacoma. I own a Tacoma, and I own 3 RAV4 including this one the 2019. It’s by far the best véhicule I own so far. I used to have a SUBARU WRX and really prefer the reliability of a Toyota. Nothing compare to Subaru. A Toyota RAV4 is a vehicle that you want because it brings you where you want. You can pack a ton of stuff and go on a trip. If you want to go off road go get yourself a 4Runner or a Tacoma. You are not in the woods off-road with a Highlander either. They are meant for the city and some driving to go to the cottage.

[@dgriffin6074]

I always shake my head when I see those cars with huge wheels and tires that have minuscule sidewall height. They must have the ride quality of a Conestoga wagon!

[@rightlanehog3151]

#SaveSideWall

[@camberwellcarrot420]

The 18s on this car still look low profile to me. They could go to 17s.

[@dambo8416]

I’ve recently bought a RAV4 after having German cars all my life and it’s OUTSTANDING.

[@daodejing81]

Yes, it is. I have a 24 Rav4 LE hybrid AWD. Love it!

[@dambo8416]

@@daodejing81 awesome! I’ve got a 21 Hybrid AWD Dynamic. Average 60 mpg! Crazy numbers.

[@daodejing81]

@dambo8416 60 is unusually high for sure. So far, my Rav4 high point is 47 mpg. It may get higher on a longer trip. I do mostly city driving, short trips.

[@dambo8416]

@@daodejing81 I once did a trip to the beach, approx 40 miles or so and managed 72 mpg. I drove like my gran but wanted to test it out. “Normal”driving gets me around 50 mpg.

[@daodejing81]

@@dambo8416 Yes, hybrids give great gas mileage!

[@happytravels2480]

Lots of insecure men hating and posting on here. Can’t be a “man” unless you buy a true 4x4🙄

[@happytravels2480]

Well, if you define a “man’s” vehicle to be a lifted pickup truck/suv with oversized tires that gets horrible gas mileage and has horrible road handling, then I’m pretty sure that’s more of the “wannabe” vehicle......wannabe looking cooler than he actually is. In that case, I don’t think I wanna man’s vehicle then. If you can’t drive a Rav4, or any other small crossover because it doesn’t make you feel like a man, then I’m afraid you still haven’t reached manhood. “You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your f***ing khakis.”.Tyler Durden

[@happytravels2480]

No problem. Anytime😁. Not sure why I even care. I don’t even own a Rav 4 or a small vehicle. Car stereotypes and stereotypes in general just bug me to no end.

[@squirreldemon3506]

@falchulk you got triggered from his comment so you're doing the same thing buddy

[@squirreldemon3506]

@falchulkyou just got triggered again. Calm down buddy it's gonna be ok. You don't have to be angry about everything.

[@squirreldemon3506]

@falchulk its ok to be upset. Work through it buddy.

[@mango305z]

Wow. This has to be the best car review i have ever seen. Practical and well experienced. I like how this is coming from the perspective of a father who once owned both a taco and a 4Runner. Let’s me know that if i am in a similar situation, i can comfortably choose a rav4 as a better option. Thanks for making this vid!

[@marcopolo7163]

Lifetime fluid is a scam, I got a 2014 rav4 and I changed my fluid at 50k miles, used a scanner to set the level at a certain temp missing the dipstick days for sure

[@j22mattones]

I've been researching the new generation RAV4 for a while now, and this video has sold me. I would love to find a used 2020 TRD off-road Hybrid if they made any. I don't get off-road for fun, but for working in in the construction industry, I find myself and my Prius in muddy conditions 😅, and I pull a trailer with it too. 🤣

[@mannymotta2174]

Love it. But not for 38 grand. I'd buy the base 4wd version. All the gimmicky blackout this and that is a waste of money. I got my Tacoma TRD off road 4wd 4 door for 32k + and that was alot in 2016. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[@theodorekell]

Once you drive it , you might not love it anymore

[@ngb802]

Is yours a V6 ?

[@mannymotta2174]

@@ngb802 yes

[@jeepjoseph9036]

Not 4wd awd

[@James-il3tq]

Not sure why these are so much on USA. Here in Alberta, Canada I paid $29,878 USD for hybrid XSE model. That's out the door paying cash including all taxes, fees, etc.

[@TheOutdoorBeerReview]

As someone who sells Toyotas... the Hybrid version is a no brainer, they all have a 10 year/150k mile warranty and get 41mpg city. They've been building hybrids for like 15+ years... it's not going to 'rattle apart' on dirt roads

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

My brother just bought the hybrid for about $40k and likes it. It rides rough and is noisy. I prefer his 08 Highlander hybrid with 180k. Much smoother, quieter and more comfortable, and more substantial feel. Like a Camry vs. Corolla.

[@alijamili6522]

A Google User much better incentives on the gas models

[@dmb3428]

not a bad looking vehicle but no way would I ditch a 4runner for it

[@turkey4957]

No ground clearance! You don’t even need to be off-roading hell even just getting to remote campsites/hunting area/hiking/backpacking areas the current gen RAV4 will run into lots of issues with dips in roads and big obstacles sticking up

[@chrisr6142]

Just lift it. Simple.

[@alexgarcia3900]

What's funny is that he said he had a subaru. Why on earth would you buy this vehicle if you already have a subaru? Like keep the subaru and use the 4 runner or tacoma whenever you need it. Maybe he just gets bored of cars fast. He'll probably buy another one in a few months. In my personal opinion and it's just an opinion, I'd never trade a workhorse (tacoma that he said he had) for a car. Pickups are life! After I bought my first one I'm never not having one.

[@letour32rr]

I would love for Toyota to send you guys a TRD Off Road to test on your trails. I wish Gold Mine Hill was still open because I’d like to see how this handles those obstacles against my Jeep Patriot.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

Look at the clearance of the chin doodads. I would not have high hopes.

[@letour32rr]

Buzz Pedrotti I agree it won’t do as well as something like a Cherokee Trailhawk. However, they have taken CUV with worse approach angles up Gold Mine Hill, like the Mazda CX’s or the Kia Sorento.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Wow 38K, these prices still make me choke, just don't know how a family man can afford that much for a vehicle.

[@baronvolkov6172]

Afford that much? By developing skills and working hard. I personally just dont see the value in that suv for 38k. I can get a rebuilt second gen raptor for less than that.

[@pedro5941]

5/6 year payment plans

[@coleoshtamebaghe3606]

That's why I never buy new cars anymore. Slightly used is the way to go. Just bought a 2018 Rav4 with 10,000 miles for $25,000. Still has that new car smell.

[@mriphone1000]

That's why loans are getting longer. Soon car loans will be like mortgages. In the 1950s most loan lengths were like three years tops.

[@jameslastname8395]

Seriously, i just bought a Sequoia Platinum for $27000, and even though it's a 2013, i still feel i got allot more bang for the buck, the ride is amazing

[@tommaja1234]

This Toyota Rav-4 is very cool especially with the amazing TRD Off Road package and the black wheels and the black color. TFL Car: very interesting episode of, "Dude I Love or Hate My New Ride!"

[@frankpoperowitzmusic]

Nice little SUV. At $42K+ (2022) you're better off just getting the Adventure trim and doing your own wheels and tires. You can get an SR5 Premium 4Runner at this price point.

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

I have liked the new Rav4 since they have come out, mostly the Adventure model and perhaps the Hybrid for fuel economy and extra power. The Off Road trim in the Tacoma and 4Runner are my favorites even though I love the special color that the TRD Pros have had the last few years, especially the Army Green and VooDoo Blue. But you get most of what you find in the Pro in the Off Road, it is just missing a few of the hardcore offroad goodies. These compact crossovers are getting up into the mid size truck prices, probably wait a year for one that has 20k miles on it and be less than 30k instead of the 38-40k price it is now. Even though I do know that Toyota's like the 4Runner and Tacoma hold their value well. I commend the gentleman for his family based decision, if he isn't hauling, towing or hardcore off-roading then he doesn't the Taco or 4Runner.

[@95thRiflesOCI]

I have a highlander for cruising road trips. Probably best gas milege and performance from an Hybrid SUV. My v6 rav4 and a 2018 rav4 for daily driver rotating between me and my wife. 4Runner V8 for the occasional trips to the woods but like many its use rarely but will never give it up due to the practical and space it offers.

[@ricksanchez3867]

Great alternative to the T4R, I still love my body on frame and old school powertrain but this is a great concept for those who haul/ tow less.

[@joeosborne8354]

I really enjoy this series, but I think it’d be better if he owned it longer than 5 minutes. I don’t really get a feel for a vehicle until I’ve driven it several months. This seems perfect for him, so that’s awesome. But I can’t see people who use a Tacoma or 4Runner to haul or camp out of being satisfied with the smaller size. Great thorough review, though!

[@rightlanehog3151]

Agreed.

[@oscarcastillo340]

4Runner for life

[@skywalker2852]

Agreed, who owns the vehicle for five minutes and has anything to say about it other than self validating comments.

[@Raider21xx]

Nice little SUV, but I’ll stick to my Tacoma TRD off-road. Kids gonna have to suck it up w/ out USB ports!

[@patchadams4620]

“Safety shouldn’t be a luxury.” You speak the truth man. All auto manufacturers should listen. Safety features should be available in all trim levels just like what Toyota did in their lineup.

[@dan-dhillon]

Great video. I saw a bunch of people in the Seattle area driving RAV4s this past weekend and started looking into it. Cool smaller alternative to the 4Runner TRD Pro I was looking at. Getting 30 mpg certainly caught my eye.

[@johnbradley2016]

Nice.. but for $38k id still go 4runner

[@kdrguru]

38 for this?? Hard pass. Get a used land cruiser.

[@fakedazzleful]

@@kdrguru except it will be costly between insurance and repair

[@johnbradley2016]

The new plug in rav4 prime is priced the same

[@michaelhatfield5808]

John Bradley Really looking forward to that version

[@johnbradley2016]

Michael Hatfield yup but still not for $38k for me

[@godfatherNYC]

Love it, although I disagree with him on one thing. I would definitely get the new RAV4 PRIME (or even the Hybrid, if that was the only alternative available to him at the time when he bought this.) The PRIME has way more HP, (over 300 HP) and insane mileage (over 40mpg.) I believe it would handle everything this one can just fine.

[@jonrubatscher6849]

godfatherNYC I have the 2019 XSE Hybrid and absolutely love it. Considered waiting on the 2020 TRD model but the fuel efficiency and power in the Hybrid sold me.

[@13NZR13]

He explained his reasoning for not getting a hybrid

[@will-ehawk349]

This helps me even more because i had my eye on this and the 4 runner. I'm a huge fan of the TRD stuff. So Rav4 TRD it is.

[@tmwall25]

at 38k i think a honda passport might have fit this guys needs better. as long as he likes it and is happy with it thats all that matters. id have gone xle awd with convenience and cold weather pack and paid 29k

[@philiplush2957]

As a Rav 4 owner i got to say i really dont want a v6 engine, it burns more gas and its just more moving parts and peice to wear out. Mine is punchy enough for everyday use passing and dirt trails. Im a Keep It Stupid Simple kind if guy. This is not a rock crawler its a get me to work in a snow storm suv, its a lots of room for groceries suv, its a tow my quad to the trail suv. Id pay for the TRD Pro package because of the nice interior, exterior touches and the tuned suspention. If you dont want that or you cant justify paying for it then the solution is simple get a lower trim level that suits you and your budget.

[@WilliamsSkilliams]

This is the most “Dad” video I’ve ever seen lol Props for not getting the mini van!

[@MrChadx1]

@19brownboy81 How would you know if a minivan is more "useful" for this guy and his family? Sounds like they do gravel road/forest service road driving. How is a minivan more useful?

[@godemperorofmankind7255]

@John-Galt Not everyone wants or needs a larger vehicle.

[@arnelarson2849]

As a reminder, the Falken Wildpeak A/T, although it does have a more aggressive tread design, is not a winter/snow tire.

[@uwhusky112]

Has snow symbol

[@MrNightraider]

Love this series your doing! Great looking TRD!

[@mallkrawlerz620]

My mom traded in her rav4 for a Subaru Forester after she saw our family car, the forester. Paid the same price for AWD, power gate, crossbars road tripping and the already off road practicality and lots of new tech the rav didn’t have. I drove her rav many times and let me tell you, the Subaru blows it out of the water. rav def has more engine power but not by much. Other than that, comfort, tech etc, the Subaru is at the top of its game.

[@davidhillbrand2302]

The '20 4Runner does now have rear seat USB's FYI.

[@James-il3tq]

If that's what people care about spending money 40-50k on a car then LOL For $50 you can easily wire some yourself.

[@TheLootownpunx]

Yeah $10 could even get you something back there lol

[@1974gladiateur]

I just bought the Adventure model 2021, just an amazing SUV. I use to drive a 2019 RAV4 XLE AWD but had transmission problems.

[@SWEETVENOM100]

Hey do you like it now Marcus? And what’s your mpg ?

[@harvesthawk5772]

I'll stick with my 2014 4Runner Trail Supreme thank you very much.

[@uwhusky112]

One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention as a dislike is the lack of a skid plate in 2020 model. 2021 added it though.

[@z1osufan]

I have a feeling that the “dirt roads” this guy drives could be tackled in a 27k Kia Sedona

[@longshotin05]

Ok but it's a Kia

[@JoseAlvarez-fz1bw]

😩🤣🤣

[@333jsh]

Agreed. And kia vans are nice. He should trade again

[@z1osufan]

costaet 2011 Sedona with 235xxx miles. One big repair at 195xxx, other than that flawless

[@z1osufan]

costaet fuel rail it was just under 2k to repair. Those soccer moms sure put some miles on cars 😳

[@billyrock8305]

Respect dude 👍 Rock’n boss ride dude ☮️

[@SeanStewart88]

Definitely a nice a car, I’ll stick with my 2020 Tacoma TRD off road. Fits my needs better. Drive what makes sense in the long for you.

[@GKWunder]

Idk why there is so much hate for this car. Grandparents just bought an XLE AWD model and after breaking in the engine for them, I love this car. Power is great for a daily driver and was getting 29mpg city and 36mpg highway at 80mph. Steering feel is okay, but the throttle response and brake pedal are progressive. The seating position is perfect and the stereo is superb. All the car would need is to throw that TRD bumper and wheels on it to have it look aggressive

[@AlcheMinister]

Umm... not going to go off-road for a second but compares to 4runner. Doesn't 4runner have entrance and depart angles with higher ride height? I'm lost

[@pocobuenouno]

The RAV4 hybrid Woodland edition that came out in 2023 has mostly the same suspension as the TRD but with a completely different drivetrain. It would be interesting to see those two models compared in some sort of real world test (with non-OEM replacement tires.)

[@gransport4246]

The “tow eyelets” mentioned around 12 minutes in are for shipping and tying the vehicle in place so it doesn’t move. LOL...they aren’t for pulling you out of a ditch. You would need proper tow hooks for that.

[@davedave2109]

Correct !

[@Teufels_hunde]

My wife and I owned2015 rav4 awd and loved it. Obviously your not going up gnarly trails with it, just the occasional dirt road/farm road, and some snow hear and there. But it did the job for what we needed. Basically what subaru targets, but without subaru lol. Very light offroading. And for 27k out the door it was worth every penny. This guy bought what he needed, nothing more, nothing less. Now for 38k i would have probably looked at a tacoma trd offroad or 4runner sr5 but again, he bought what worked for him and at 38k its got a bunch of features, if youre into that.

[@hoygising2640]

My ancient 2001 RAV4 has 320K miles and still going well. This one’s nice, but I hear that the new Prime model may be even nicer. I wonder if these RAV4s will last 300K miles?

[@mannycali334]

Did you ever have problems with transmission or awd?

[@mardamek]

That sensor safety about seatbelts only works if your kids aren't like mine. My son figured it out quickly and while I didn't get the alarm in the dash, when we stopped, it turned out he didn't have it on, but had it buckled in lol That reminded me of what the taxi/limo drivers would do. One of the drivers I knew was even smart enough to have picked up just the metal part from a junkyard, and he would keep that plugged in (to avoid the discomfort of the seatbelt running behind his back).

[@AnyBodyWannaPeanut]

Weird that on this trim level, it still has a manually dimming rear view mirror....

[@scottymcneil8758]

He didn't get the tech package, no wireless charger or JBL stereo, would of had it and 360 cameras if he got the tech package in 2020

[@hereigoagain5050]

Great video. My wife and I love our RAV4 hybrid, but the TRD with torque vectoring & without a CVT is tempting. Correction: its an eCVT without belts. Thanks James!

[@James-il3tq]

Hybrid model has ECVT with the 1st physical gear and planetary gears, not a CVT.

[@hereigoagain5050]

@@James-il3tq Thanks for the info. No belts to worry about! Now I'm really loving it!

[@davidhoover2446]

Great video! That's a cool SUV actually being used as an SUV. He sort of said one of the reasons for getting a new car was because it got better fuel economy, but it's always cheaper to keep the vehicle you have even with worse fuel economy than to buy a new one.

[@lamarwilson8608]

Exactly! Losing $300 a month in depreciation, to save $45 in gas.🤦‍♂️

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Plus 4runners are tanks even compared to other Toyota's. I think the Rav4 will have more issues over time than the 4runner

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

Adam Smith I just bought a 2020 couple weeks ago. You are not kidding it’s a tank!

[@streetsandpeaks3013]

The 4 Runner is still a Taco interior from the early 2000’s ... so is the new Taco other than the TRD Pro. Sit in the RAV4 TRD for 2 minutes and you immediately wish the 4 Runner had it. Toyota puts their development and tech in the RAV4 and no doubt by the time the 4 Runner and Taco catch up the RAV4 TRD will be even better. And I am with this guy 100% ... reality is my RAV4 TRD needs to get to the ski hills and back country through deep snow and the mountain bike trails down some dirt and gravel roads.

[@josephreyes7610]

Love it! BUT, Just imagine if it had a V6 slapped onto it. EPIC. 203 hp seems a tad week for an SUV of this price point. I just wish it came standard with a powerful engine

[@juliehoward7396]

Or a turbo on it.

[@sptrader6316]

With the 8 spd trans (you can manually shift it too), it's not bad.

[@NiftyShifty1]

This isn’t off road...this is fire road. Still, if it fits your lifestyle, it fits.

[@Mark32500]

He didn’t get the Tacoma because his wife wouldn’t let him

[@BernonCars]

Downside of marriage lol

[@johnw4067]

@@BernonCars My wife let me get a Tacoma but just an SR5. No TRD Pro!

[@atl3630]

The crime is that his wife wears the pants. Damn shame.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

atl3630 gotta train them from the start!

[@9999plato]

@@atl3630 He wears his wife's pants. She wants to teach him a lesson.

[@ag4eng]

I think he made the right choice to find balance between capability and family driving needs. He was being honest about what he needs unlike people driving a truck that never even haul anything and live in suburbs.

[@cjs759]

Based on my experience with a RAV4 hybrid, I’d use Consumer Reports overall mpg as a predictor. They got 31 mpg with the hybrid. I got 31-32 in the first 5K miles. So, I’d guesstimate that I’d get CR’s 24 mpg with this model. That wouldn’t be as big a factor in choosing a RAV4 as 29-30 mpg, especially since, with the same options my hybrid came with would push the price of this trim close to $42K. I just can’t equate “RAV4” with “$42K”. I certainly get why this guy made a smart switch from Tacoma and 4RUNNER because he says he didn’t use them for their unique intended purposes. I had a 4Runner which I loved but never got the 18-19 mpg reported by some and it was off-road once in a year. So, yes, if the only choice is a Toyota SUV and you don’t want the size or expense of the Highlander, then a RAV4 makes sense to me. But more like a $32K-$34K XLE. TO go over $40K for this RAV4, I’d only do that if either I simply fell in love with the look or I expected to drive on at least moderately challenging non-paved roads.

[@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744]

That's alot man

[@cjs759]

@@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744 LOL! You're right. I'll practice "pithy". Happy New Year

[@H.pylori]

Timely review since I am in the process of RAV4 TRD vs. 4WD SR5 and adding KO2s. The problem is that the RAV4 TRD is priced so close to the better 4Runner TRD Off Road by $3000. Yes, better gas mileage, for the RAV, but less space and towing capacity. Also after paying the taxes and registration, this RAV TRD will cost over $42,000. That being said, if the aim is only for well graded BLM and Forest Service roads and you want a family car as well, it might be reasonable to consider the RAV if the price difference was wider.

[@glow4417]

The problem with the whole 4runner versus Rav4 TRD is people don't want to drive a vehicle as big as 4runner, they want something smaller. Also, the 4runner is massively dated at this point, it lacks the options you get at 40k with the Rav4.

[@H.pylori]

@@glow4417 I agree.

[@lil----lil]

Now put a Hybrid engine on this baby it's GAME OVER!

[@darinwynder7207]

Nice job and i love this idea for a series with real owners and new cars

[@clutchitup8565]

This rav has no business wearing that trd offroad badge

[@OutdoorsWithChad]

Don't underestimate the Rav. Of course its not a hardcore off-roader. but its more than capable when you need to get through some snow or out to a campsite somewhere. My brother-in-law has a place back in the woods with a bit of a gnarly driveway, and on a snowy day my '11 Rav4 would zip through no problem, meanwhile it took some serious pushing, digging and towing to get my sister's F350 4x4 out the same route. I've since upgraded to a bigger vehicle, but I was sad to see the Rav go.

[@ohenry4834]

Chad yah got that right... try it first before you judge.

[@9999plato]

I could not fit my legs into the Rav 4. I bought the 4Runner TRD. I';m very happy with my purchase.

[@ngb802]

I’m glad you love your ride , that seems pretty high for a Rav 4 , my wife paid 38 for her RDX base

[@tommy13965]

You made the right choice for 38k I would choose the rdx too.

[@jwebby85]

I would love to get an update from this guy. Does he still love his RAV4? Has he done any modifications (lift, different tires)? Did he figure something out for the recovery points?

[@bigslacker666]

This doesn't make any sense to me. He has 3 kids and gets a smaller vehicle with less room, less power and less storage but costs the same as a 4runner?? Because it has USB ports and gets better MPG? I mean the USB thing doesn't even make sense, new 4runners have 12v, an adapter is like $2. And really, you can afford a near $40k truck and gas price matters? I'd rather have the space, capability, ground clearance and towing capacity. Wait, I do. :D

[@gibblochea]

But does he still like it - nearly 21 months later? He only owned the vehicle for roughly one month when you shot this video, correct?

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

Tbh 75% of the people who buy Tacomas and 4Runners would be happier having a compact crossover.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

Joseph Whiskey Beale tbh I think owners are happy with what they buy. Because that’s what they bought.

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

Tbh most people are never happy with their purchase, they just lie to themselves.

[@Mark32500]

Not me I’am very happy with my Tacoma

[@603landscapes]

Happy 4Runner owner right here 😁 the moms can keep their Ravs

[@skylardonnell1567]

na

[@1974gladiateur]

You should go and see him again and ask him if he still like it. Mine is the Blue Flame and I had to order it. It took 2 months to get.

[@theodorekell]

38K for this... good luck

[@kingpin3919]

Sweet! Merry Christmas TFL

[@randomrazr]

a unibody is not made for off roading.

[@jcmarin3223]

But the CVT is, sir! (s)

[@julesbabauta]

randomrazr I can name a few that do pretty damn well off-road.

[@randomrazr]

@@julesbabauta they can off road but u risk bending the entire body where as a body on frame like a 4runner is much more rigid construction. thats why full size trucks are not built iwth a unibody construction,

[@skywalker2852]

See Jeep Grand Cherokee as exhibit A of the unibody off-road set.

[@eto2352]

Man, car prices are insane. $38k for a small suv. Not just the Rav4, but all the competitors are the same.

[@jfranco3281]

Is true

[@HALWG51]

Probably the only RAV4 I would consider. I wish it had a V-6.

[@JonBecker81]

HALWG51 or a turbo 4cyl. They’re like the only ones who haven’t started doing that.

[@basschaser9356]

Love mine 2011 rav 4. They need to bring it back . For now I want Tacoma

[@drwisdom1]

Since the owner is worried about things like USB ports and mpg, the RAV4 will serve his needs more than a Tacoma. That is because pickup trucks and compact SUVs have different purposes.

[@IKnewMickey]

Dude is SO right about the floor mats. So long expensive weather tech.

[@megabyte7047]

I LIKE LOUD SPEAKERS I bet WeatherTech makes them OEM

[@dfwvtxman]

Hating all the ads now

[@shadowdance4666]

5:08 “washboards have a tendency to…….” He forgot his line. In comes the coach to help him with his line

[@sharpshizz]

I’d honestly rather have the TRD Camry than this.

[@guyontheinternet8891]

Yeah. I'd rather have the Tacoma and the 4Runner instead of this soccer mom car. I'm sure those "dirt roads" are just regular dirt or gravel roads that my normal vehicle could easily tackle. Dunno how good a crossover would be in off road anyway even if it is off road tuned. Might make the ride smoother but when it comes to real off roading it would be funny to see him get stuck.

[@IndigoMystik]

I like everything except the screen placement, the way it sticks up above the dashboard specifically. My 2017 Camry has the screen placement that I wish the new RAV4 had. It's a pretty big sticking point for me. Other than that I love it.

[@davidr9876]

He's still in the honeymoon phase. Ask him again in a year

[@gabrielreyes8476]

We have one of these and we absolutely love it. Just about anywhere a 4Runner can, this can go. People who say "oh, it's just a badge and it's overpriced" have zero clue wtf they are talking about. These are the same people who think that a Mustang or a Camaro HAVE to be a V8 to be true muscle car. Toyota's are generational cars. My grandson will be driving this in about 16 years and will still run just as good as it does now. Best of both worlds in the Rav. Great gas mileage on the highway AND I still get to some mildly gnarly trails to get to great hiking and camping spots. My only complaints is that there is no tow hook and getting a tow hitch installed is a massive pain in the ass.

[@SquawkCode]

The new Rav4 is good looking. I can't believe I just said that but it's true.

[@andrewwhite103]

Really its ugly to me and too overpriced

[@imtheonehero9305]

It copied the crv front and subaru crosstrek looks lol.

[@hippiebits2071]

I was shocked at how great these things look in real life. Didn't care for the looks of the previous generations at all. It's completely understandable how someone who didn't need the capabilities of the 4Runner would be drawn to one of these.

[@andrewwhite103]

Hippie Bits they look horrible the worst looking cuv in the segment

[@josemisiego]

I have a 2017 RAV4 base model and the seatbelt sensors for the back were already included is not a new feature if you guys are wondering

[@Jason-hv4eu]

4Runner

[@TheHolyMustard]

I wish they would modernize the interior of the 4Runner. I love the capability, but would love it more it it came with more modern tech for the price.

[@abominablestormtroopersnow4510]

On the 4runner you are paying for the bullet proof reliability. Still made in Japan, in the same plant since 1979. I have owned 7 of them (1987-2019). Watch in 20 years from now what are still on the road. All these new Toyotas are turbos and 8 speed autos.. lots to go wrong or wear out to fast. Meanwhile the good old 4runner with be rolling down the highway forever. I like Tacomas but can't get with the drum brakes. $50K for a Taco TRD Pro... with drum brakes... yikes.

[@TucsonDude]

@@abominablestormtroopersnow4510 No manual transmission available, tho. Boring.

[@dcam456]

@Abominable Stormtrooper Snowman pretty sure Toyota is one of the few that hasn’t used turbos yet. I’d also rather have an 8 speed auto than a CVT.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

@@TheHolyMustard You are paying for superior build quality and reliability not tech. A 4runner will still be on the road 20 years from now (I know because I'm an owner of a 2000 4runner) while the Rav4 won't.

[@practicalguy973]

I had an issue with a wire harness connector in my last car. It took the dealership a lot of time to figure that out and fix as it was intermittent engine codes. I would imagine that he's right in thinking about a hybrid being less reliable that way adding the extra battery and electric motors and all the connection points that are potential areas of extra failure as the RAV4 ages

[@nathankehoe3696]

idk a fully loaded car has a lot of connectors. my 19 rav4 hybrid LE is bare bones