Hidden Secrets Of Famous Families (w/ Kurtis Conner) | Sad Boyz

[@jarvis]

yo just wanted to pop in and say i totally get why people are upset with me not condemning sssniperwolf more in this episode. at the time of recording things were really fresh and i certainly wasn't aware of sniperwolfs history of behavior on the platform. that dialogue has advanced a lot since this was recorded! i don't want to cut it out cause the discourse in the comments would be super confusing, but im gonna change the title / thumbnail so that people don't expect up to date coverage. also i think youtube's statements on this were bad and their temporary monetization action doesn't take things far enough at all. if people think that's what im doing, i completely understand the frustration

[@sarrahkramer848]

I think the way yall were talking about it was reasonably cautious for not having all the information, I don't blame y'all even if listening made me wish it was more up to date to hear everyones updated opinions tbh

[@britchin]

yeah that didn’t look good for ya, glad you commented 👍

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

Nice one Jarvis. You're a legend, humble and handsome.

[@griffin1155]

i would really like to hear a more informed opinion as part of this new evil jordan & nose breathing jarvis era of the pod

[@rebeccahicks2392]

You didn't say anything wrong, and you clearly condemned her action of showing up at Jack's house. A lot of these comments read like they just read other comments instead of listening to your actual words.

[@hannepeno1995]

Kurtis getting a mullet because of Crystal Methyd was not the lore I was expecting to learn today. Love that

[@TheVivaciousNerd]

Definitely the highlight of this episode!

[@infsm27]

Crystal Methyd is such a cool name

[@mattilynngrace7225]

Obviously the Jacksflims situation is the main focus, but the fact Kurtis was inspired to grow a mullet by a drag queen? Best thing I've learned in days

[@iamjustkiwi]

Literally iconic

[@DiMagnolia]

I’ve thought this whole time they look alike so this was my Christmas, the day they collab will be my Avengers Endgame

[@peterevans6480]

love crystal methyd

[@renskedegroot5876]

YES! so iconic

[@bbekah]

And from Crystal Methyd? Incredible information

[@rikkirikki4892]

I feel like if Jarvis knew anything about Ssniperwolf as a human being he would not be so charitable. She has consistently showed a complete lack of empathy/morality for years and years and years. I’ve never once seen/read/heard a good thing abt her from people whose opinions I respect. Like, I get how devoid of context it could maaaaaybe be seen as harassment, but it quite clearly is not that in context. I’m the last person you’ll find defending harassment of any kind. She’s a content farm of stolen content being promoted by KZbin - that’s absolutely a problem and deserving of parody/criticism.

[@FukaiKokoro]

She bullied a competitive KZbin gamer girl off the platform. She has a history of violent crimes. She's a legitimately dangerous person. And what makes her.more dangerous is she's the "I'm not like other girls" and thinks because she's a girl she deserves better treatment than others.

[@whenfunnydancingcockroach4625]

Also this podcast was probably recorded before everyone was talking about it but she told a 16 year old girl to twerk on a video with 2 mil views, Sniperwolf also lied about her own age to the girl, saying she was 16

[@mooniedreams]

This was also likely recorded before more of the weird and frankly safety concerning history of hers resurfaced, from the omegle stuff to the alleged arrest for armed robbery, it's gone from "this is dumb don't do this, you creep" to "omg, wtf, this is actually more scary than we thought and she needs way bigger repercussions". Hoping more people talk about this cause after KZbin's response today, this is just gonna keep happening and it's gonna get worse.

[@iamjustkiwi]

Yeah seriously I was actually cringing a bit about the leeway he was giving her here. She hasn't done anything to demonstrate she deserves any of this grace whatsoever, and using not harassing women in this case is just flat out unnecessary-she's the only one doing the harassing while what Jack has done is AT WORST mild ribbing.

[@anniejankovic8056]

I know. Even in this context! She stalked, doxxed, and vaguely threatened him. Like that's not an accident. She's a full adult

[@daniele.h7697]

The thing is Jack is 100% in the right in this situation. She wants to claim he's being sexist and everything when he's done this to other "reaction" channels, mainly jinx who was a man. This whole situation is stupid and she shouldn't be pulling up to people's houses and then getting all defensive when she gets called out for it.

[@jordsterroa]

Even if he didn't do this to other react channels it still isn't fucking sexist

[@aresxna]

Yep, jacksfilms point has always been that the “content” sssniperwolf makes doesn’t meet fair use or is just straight up lazy, he calls her out so much because of how much KZbin covets her and her audience. and then now, doesn’t do anything about her actual harm by showing up at his house and posting it to insta.

[@rikkirikki4892]

She only ever cares about feminism when she can use it as a shield. (if anything didn’t she make like shitty SJW react content years ago? I could be misremembering tho)

[@FukaiKokoro]

It's sexist that she doesn't face the same consequences a man would face if he did this to a woman.

[@RamenKitsune]

No he is not, you pancake. He asked his audience, with his mouth words, to harass a person. Thats also against tos.

[@willjackson6522]

I’m gonna be honest, if you actually watch Jack’s videos on this and understand what their purpose and intention was, there is truly no reason to make all the caveats of “he’s harassing her” and such. He made very reasonable criticisms in a noticeably responsible way. I totally get the instinct to have doubts if you aren’t fully aware of the situation, women being harassed online is always a big issue, but that’s not what this is. There are already widespread criticisms of react content online in general, much of which is aimed at Twitch streamers. So I think Jack focusing on maybe the most prolific example on KZbin is completely reasonable.

[@kh-wp1mj]

idk why people don’t look into things before forming an opinion especially on a podcast

[@PinkCatsy]

​@@kh-wp1mjhe's explicitly saying that he gets how the optics look bad because objectively seeing the number of videos has weirded multiple people out. I've watched the videos and I don't think KZbin videos that you don't have to watch or see constitutes harassment anyways. But it's pretty easy for someone to see it from that lens, especially because she's a woman

[@rebeccahicks2392]

@@kh-wp1mj They recorded this podcast the morning after it happened. Jarvis wouldn't have had time yet for full research given, that he hadn't watched Jack's films in the past.

[@Emotional-Support-Demon-Sarica]

I thought it was SSSniperWolf like Sexy Sexy Sniper turned into SSSniperWolf

[@Awaredo]

Agreed! I was a little thrown off by some of this … stop bringing up her sex… has nothing to do with that. Jarvis definitely is saying some shit that he shouldn’t lol

[@GemAndMoth]

Kurtis: can’t remember ever having internet drama Me: remembering how Russell Hartley created a whole-ass KZbin account to whine about the video Kurtis made about him.

[@no1legobatmanfan]

funny kurtis says that considering what’s going on now

[@Bea-ni6vk]

also “romanticize your spaghetti”

[@gooeater1544]

Kinda ironic considering hes being outed for defending a racist

[@katie-allen]

@@no1legobatmanfanwhat’s going on now? Is he currently in drama?

[@Hopeskyesk]

@@no1legobatmanfanwhat’s going on now?

[@kalemjade5258]

Jack was always very intentional to keep his criticism to her content an the making of it and nothing personal about her life or anything like that. he kept making it because nothing was happening/she wasn't stopping, he explained how he kept doing it because it was reacting to the video of *that day*, not some random video from years ago, his point was that people's content kept being stolen and youtube kept defending and supporting it, nothing was changing, so he persistently called her out. not aggressively, not harassing, but persistent since the issue wasn't being resolved (and still isn't, but of course he's not making it now that his family's safety has to be accounted for)

[@bearza_]

especially considering as more and more smaller creators and just regular people saw that sssniper took their videos without permission the more it became apparent that they weren’t okay with it. like minors kept going to jack’s streams talking about how she stole videos of them as a baby, or them hanging out with their friends, or their siblings, or whatever else and mentioning how they really didn’t like that and wanted her to remove the clips but didn’t know how to get that done.

[@myswordvsyourdagger]

@@bearza_ yes! people need to bring that up more. If it wasn’t for jack, those people probably wouldn’t have got their stolen content removed off sssniper’s channel.

[@patrickmcpartland1398]

​@@myswordvsyourdaggernah man, he was an obsessed weirdo. Didn't deserve to get doxxed, but he's creepy as shit.

[@camilo4601]

I think Jack was pretty justified in what he did. He did praise her when she responded to the claims that she wasn’t watching the videos, she was just reading off a google doc (it was actually the reflection of her light on her glasses). His literal point was that she basically freebooted videos, sometimes even hiding creator names. His whole thing is “credit the creators” and “be transformative” (the bingo card was made up of things like “reading the caption”, talking over the video”, “stealing the original creators jokes”) He’s been pretty clear that it was never about gender and that literally the bare minimum he was asking was she credit the original creators and add some actual commentary but i understand how it could be perceived as an attack directly at her. regardless, doxing someone is not what “adults” do.

[@perrytheplatyhoe3501]

Jarvis, I totally understand where you’re coming from since you didn’t have the full context, but you were definitely being too kind to Sssniperwolf. Jack has always kept his criticism to how she steals content and the tropes within her videos and never got to a point of maliciousness, and the main point always was to give credit to content creators. He also has criticized other lazy react channels before. Obviously you and any normal person that has spoken about this acknowledged that the doxxing is very bad and wrong, but honestly even outside of that she’s been pretty much 0% right about everything

[@Awaredo]

Thank you! Absolutely sickening. _Omg, she’s a girl, that’s harassment_ like wtf, what she does is Terrible and Jack did nothing wrong. Disappointed in his response.

[@horizonkyun7203]

@@Awaredo it wasn’t really a “response” though? it was just some vague thoughts on the situation, and a disclaimer that he didn’t want to undermine women’s harassment… he was just being careful. it’s really not the extreme thing you’re making it out to be.

[@Awaredo]

@@horizonkyun7203 had a long response… but what’s the point. 😂 thanks for your comment.

[@rebeccahicks2392]

Jarvis compares her to a serial killer in a movie. How is he being kind to her?

[@rebeccahicks2392]

@@Awaredo Jarvis compared her to a serial killer in a movie. CLEARLY Jarvis is saying what she did was terrible.

[@bearza_]

The thing is Jack did give her credit when it was due and said multiple times that he believed she could be better. He had faith that she’d change for the better and she through the last bit of dignity or respect she could’ve happened when she not only doxxed him but STALKED him too and made light of it later. Her apology was bullshit. She didn’t even have the decency to get his channel name spelled right. KZbin’s response is bullshit and it’s horrible that they keep dragging their feet on this situation. She needs to be deplatformed and needs to be in jail. This sets a horrible precedent for creators and viewers alike that as long as you’re big enough you can get away with shit like this.

[@callmeperch]

Everytime Kurtis laughs, he looks nervously at the camera. Can't wait to watch his comedy special

[@laurenimhof2602]

as someone who has been into the sssniperwolf and Jackfilms drama here an explanation of jack's content (from what I can tell). He made a parody channel, reacting to her reaction content. All the videos are streaming clips where they play a bingo (like Jarvis's Dhar Mann bingo) where they play cards that contain sssniperwolf tropes/repeated moments. From what I can tell, it's focused around calling our how she using content without crediting the creators. On his streams he tries to find the creators for all the tiktoks she reacts to and links them in the description. Plus he encourages people who watch the streamers to claim their content back (with growing success!). There is also other talk about sssniperwolf breaking community guidelines before with videos sexualizing/making fun of minors. I'm definitely missing stuff, but I thought I'd give some background from what I learned recently lol

[@Double.D.Tootss]

This is so cut and dry for me. No level of internet beef justified doxxing

[@kirbybie]

people bringing up her armed robbery and disorderly conduct (fought) charge too

[@kirbybie]

fun fact they also paused all reports on her channel- you can’t submit one when you try

[@laurenimhof2602]

@@Double.D.Tootss that's my take on it too for sure

[@laurenimhof2602]

@@kirbybie no way I didn't know that part. I do know that youtube responded today tho and blocked monetization to her channel temporarily so maybe that has something to do with it???

[@sunnydeeexe]

hearing Jordan quote “i’ve got that joy joy joy joy down in my heart “ brought back memories of being forced to go to Sunday school and church every Sunday as a kid 💔🤣

[@charlieboy1087]

Sssniperwolf is a horrible person and a massive hypocrite and fraud and none of what Jack has done has been personally malicious towards Lia as a person. She is 100% in the wrong in this. I know you want to be diplomatic in a situation you don’t know much about and that’s commendable, but in this situation she is definitely a bad person

[@Mx.Chowder]

Jacksfilms has a history of being against lazy reaction content. I think part of the whole Bingo thing, and making content out of it is because he found SSSniperwolf to be an incredibly egregious example. I also don't think that the Bingo was making fun of SSSniperwolf herself and moreso the themes and consistencies in her content that pointed to towards it being shamelessly pandered to kids while also being absolutely nothing. The worst it got was maybe her consistent use of the word "bro." He kept his criticisms strictly to her content.

[@mattgopack7395]

I think that being against lazy reaction content is definitely good, but the moment that he started pumping out video after video solely around her with the bingo thing is when it starts coming across wrong. For all that people are saying it's fair and it was a good thing, it's still an incredible amount of videos to just see one after the other. Like maybe she's the most egregious example of the lazy reaction stuff, but she's not the *only* one - apply that bingo elsewhere, cycle through some to show it's a big issue. Because otherwise it really does come across as obsessed with her. And that would go for anyone - like if someone made 30ish straight videos on a channel in a way that absolutely comes across as making fun of any creator, it would get weird. A couple of long & thought out videos, or recurring and split up between other topics would both have been plenty for him to get his points across.

[@lacexv]

Jack is 100% doing the right thing. If he wasn't making so many videos about her, then the original content creators would never get credit. It's so important to spread awareness about this and get all of the stolen content taken down by the rightful owners. I understand how this can be seen as obsessive if you haven't been paying attention, but Jack does a really good job at only criticizing her content and not her as a person.

[@ADreamerWithAPen]

Y'all actually didn't give Jack enough benefit of the doubt. Jack is not in any way harassing Sssniperwolf. Yeah, he's made a lot of videos ON HER CONTENT, but it's not really about her or even really the quality of her content. It's about how she blatantly steals from other creators without giving credit and almost never giving reactions that meet fair use, and yet is constantly promoted by KZbin for this theft

[@barrothontherocks3325]

it would be like constantly saying a news channel is biased and misinformed then one of the anchors(not the station) sues you, when you get big enough, especially when you have employees doing 99% of the work your channel isn't you it's a business

[@spilledoatmilk]

Completely agree and as a woman(kinda) I almost find it more offensive to go so easy on her like this lol. Like no you can hold women accountable when they are toxic and in the wrong they’re strong enough to be criticized 😅 teasing bc ik they are well intentioned but like she is so clearly in the wrong. I think it’s cool to recognize that it’s not uncommon for fem creators to get more shit on, but also say that’s not the case here

[@-Jimini-]

You know what, Jarvis, I want to give you a lot of credit for acknowledging that you haven’t seen any of Jack’s content about it and commenting about it with that in mind. Like, if you did, both in regards to what SSSniperwolf is going and the positive impact Jack is influencing in having creators reclaim content that got stolen from them, I’m pretty sure you would almost entirely be on his side. But you haven’t, which is fair, and, unlike a lot of people I’ve seen, gave your impression of the optics whilst fully acknowledging a potential lapse in judgement.

[@Jeremy-bt8lo]

Basically she’s not a good person towards a lot of other content creators, steals content, and recently got away with doxing jacksfilms with a slap on the wrist by KZbin because she brings big monthly earnings to KZbin. Just goes to show KZbin is willing to let big content creators get away with bad stuff while striking small content creator accounts with no 2nd thoughts, very corrupt and eye opening for a lot of new people.

[@Teopengy96]

In my humble opinion I think Jarvis should have at least watched one or two of Jack’s videos before this… You’re gonna have a whole segment about it on your podcast and you don’t even do a little bit of homework? The videos aren’t even that long… I appreciate that he’s acknowledging it but he’s also probably not the best person to be commenting on this if he’s not informed. That’s just me tho.

[@CheshireCrab]

​@@Teopengy96Seriously. Even H3H3 and Ludwig, when they didn't know anything about the topic they sat and watched the videos live so they can provide a fair commentary. Why make this your main topic to discuss if you won't even do the bare minimum of being educated on the subject?

[@Snufkinion]

Honestly, this sniperwolf situation is just an example of "not everything needs your opinion". If Jarvis wasn't gonna look up the whole context then he didn't need to make a statement on it. He could've just left it at "doxxing is bad" and gotten on with it, but instead we got half-baked statements that lend no further insight nor commentary into the situation as he tiptoed around the subject.

[@rebornreaper194]

Hedging too hard, though, imo.

[@Kibannn]

The craziest thing about this situation is that sssniperwolf immediately targeted Jack's appearance and his hairline of all things instead of responding to the criticism or changing what she was doing. Jack at least just kept his critiques to the content she was putting out.

[@Notachanze]

Jack has also been reacting to things SSSniperWolf has been posting and adding credit that she’s refused to credit to small creators….he’s also had people in his community able to help people out in finding where their content is and getting it pulled from her videos by the OG creators putting CR claims on her stuff to get their content back from her making thousands of dollars off of them. He’s making a difference and calling her out on her bullshit and is pissed KZbin is letting her get away with it…and rightfully so, honestly.

[@darthbob.]

May favorite Pokémon podcast has uploaded

[@SacredAssault]

This is a funny comment

[@PossiblyAlena]

1:02:23 Thank you to whomever edited the cut over to Jordan. This is my favorite part of the entire episode and it literally lasted 2 seconds max.

[@anniejankovic8056]

Yeah it makes me a lil uncomfortable that you guys went into the jacksfilms doxxing thing without really knowing the situation. He was doxxed and threatened while he and his wife were inside their house, which is a very serious and scary thing. So the fact that so much of what was talked about was couched in "well I haven't seen the content", "I don't know the situation", etc feels kind of irresponsible. Especially since so much leeway was given to the person who stalked and doxxed someone else

[@madelineswan9791]

this is exactly what I wanted to say! thank you for putting it so eloquently

[@busraterzi8189]

YES! EXACTLY!

[@helllance]

Thank you, constant caveats implying Jack was harassing her just feels gross.

[@ConejitoPequenito]

As a woman who is scared of _everything,_ when you actually watch Jack's videos, you'll see he put serious thought into it. I wouldn't assume she was scared just because of their genders

[@swankypotato1249]

I think I've seen enough of Sniperwolf's controversies in the past (and seen enough of Jack's videos on her) to not feel too bad for taking Jack's side. So was anyone else surprised Jarvis was SO cagey about how he talked about it? It's totally okay to criticize her and her content! He didn't NEED to be that diplomatic about it. And even though I respect the intentions of not dogpiling on a woman and being unfair... you criticize other people in a totally fair way all the time! It felt like Jarvis was trying to take a stance of "yes doxxing is wrong but regarding the other drama they might both be doing not great things I think" and just generally being cagey which was just a little unfair to Jack. I think it came from a place of not fully understanding the situation and trying to remain neutral (Which is FINE!) but it's okay to table the discussion so you don't misrepresent people and their side like he he did a little with Jack. And like I said, the intentions are understood, I know he means well. Just wish there was a little more knowledge about Jack's videos and stuff before the discussion.

[@amrutakale7941]

exacly! if you're going to talk about it, then maybe you should do just a little bit of research beforehand? I know they're mostly trying to stay neutral but that doesn't mean they should remain unaware about all points? instead of going into it with surface-level knowledge about it?

[@rebeccahicks2392]

@@amrutakale7941 This podcast was recorded the morning after she showed up to Jack's house. Jarvis wouldn't have had time yet to do in depth research. 99% of us didn't know all of those points which we have since learned throughout the past week.

[@amrutakale7941]

@@rebeccahicks2392 I was talking abt how less they knew abt what Jack focuses on in his videos. and I wasn't expecting "in depth" research. only knowing even a little abt Jack's content would've been enough. I just wish they'd done a bit of a background check b4 going into it. I'm they're trying not to take sides, but there are other ways of doing it rather than being uninformed. I like these guys la lot, but that doesn't mean the way this was handled didn't make me uncomfortable.

[@no1legobatmanfan]

i feel like they’re takes here fall into very “performative leftist man”. the idea that every women needs the benefit of the doubt. women can be horrible people! but some men have no idea how to act around topics involving women because they’re so scared of being seen as in any way NOT feminist. i’m a feminist, i’m born a woman (trans but, still experience everything a cis woman would), i support women in every way. but they can do horrible things and not need any benefit of the doubt. idk if i’m making sense. but their takes reek of cis man-ness lol

[@wisteria230]

I disagree. I think it was honestly refreshing to hear a guy acknowledge that he understands the optics of men creating a bunch of videos criticizing a woman

[@anniejankovic8056]

Jack also was very focused on this because she's a partner with youtube creators. So he was mad to see them promoting her content when her content is stolen

[@HonorWillow]

I've watched all the JJJacksfilms videos and I played along with a few streams. It really is an amazing thing. The problem is that she continually steals from smaller creators, sometimes minors, and Jack really has helped so many people with them. Jack is super fair. I get what Jarvis said about the problems with female creators being harassed but in this instance it's got nothing to do with it. The reason why it's Sniperwolf (though it isn't always; I was there the stream of the night he got doxxed and he did the bingo with 2 other "reactors") is because she's actively supported by KZbin and because she is at least more interesting to mock than someone who just laughs which was just painful. I get how it's a lot of content on one person, but it's something she does every day to SO many creators and if she didn't do it anymore not only would her content not be claimed but he also would stop. Like she was already breaking the law just with her content before she even doxxed Jack

[@kelseck]

Jordan, i had your back 😤 the second you started singing the joy, joy song I couldn’t stop myself from saying “where?!” I love bonding over religious trauma!

[@MechBlank]

Shoutout to the one-second shot of Jordan emphatically petting Dipper at 1:02:24

[@cookieintheinternet]

49:20 I love how gently Kurtis moves away Dipper to stop him from licking the table saying nothing more than "hm!"

[@sophienah4654]

The thing is that Jack has never been cruel to her. Hes never insulted her appearance, her intelligence, or any low blows like that. He insults her low effort content by proving that its low effort. He accuses her of stealing content, not crediting creators, stealing jokes, having her editors crop out captions from the og video so she can say it and make it look like she came up with it, and more. All of which are true. He's not attacking her needlessly and senselessly. He's emphasizing how lazy her content is by pointing out how often she repeats certain things. He actually gives he credit when she says something clever. Which just proves he's not attacking her. He's critiquing her. He always has been.

[@kristad7204]

Jarvis, it would be like dhar mann showing up at your place lol cuz he did bingo for her videos and stuff. Wild.

[@Carolina57685]

im glad that the comments are filled with people supporting jack the guy didnt do anything wrong and the sssniperwolf bingo is honestly so fun when you get to participate in it

[@balsawoodbones]

When it comes to wordy doctors, best bet is literally to interrupt them immediately with “what does that mean” before they get too far ahead. Sometimes they need a reminder that the fancy medical terms are for the notes and not being able to speak in clear language is a weakness

[@Pellow-princess]

Can I just say, Jordan is rocking the facial hair.

[@dancincoolkid]

He looks like a hot English professor.

[@demetriam2408]

I'm not gonna lie I didn't even notice until they were halfway into talking about facial hair, istg he didn't have it at the start of the video lol.

[@lacexv]

He looks so different, I had to do a double take. It suits him so well!

[@paraxelsus6548]

it really is evil jordan

[@DiMagnolia]

@@dancincoolkidyeah the chill hot professor that has everyone call him by his first name

[@Psybacon1501]

I work in healthcare education and the situation you described with the doctors is very funny, because I've had students who were exactly like that, and their instructors had to tell them to keep their language simple and understandable

[@aresxna]

The boyz plus a boy! We are truly blessed

[@sophiaiskeepinittogether]

I love the evil Jordan goatee timeline community reference

[@fishtick]

sniperwolf said "i got his address online" which is like... you showed his house and then told your followers that it's possible (and totally fine) to look up someone's home address. like obviously people's info is out there, but we should outright condemn going to seek out or share that information.

[@modelmajorpita]

If Jacksfilm was harassing sniperwolf, then Jarvis is guilty of harassing Dhar Mann.

[@busraterzi8189]

I'd argue that Jarvis is more guilty of harassing Dhar Mann since SSSniperWolf is actually a criminal. Cause even though they are terrible at it, Dhar Mann videos at least "tries" to do some good. While SSSniperWolf barely reacts to stealed content and sexualizes minors.

[@maggotqu33n]

@@busraterzi8189not that i care but as someone who likes to give random facts, dhar man is technically a criminal too and has a record too i believe. i think for fraud lmao?

[@busraterzi8189]

@@maggotqu33n I only knew about Dhar Mann through Jarvis's and Drew Gooden's videos from 2-3 years ago. Back then they were mocking him for the staleness and the unrealistic nature of his content. I thought the comment was referencing to that. Sorry for the missing information if he is a criminal as well.

[@mattgopack7395]

Jarvis made a couple of videos spread out over months/years on Dhar Mann. There's nothing like 30+ videos in a row and 2 months straight on the guy on his channel. Jack might have had good intentions and been in the right overall here, but it's awful optically to have that level of consistent content on a channel that just makes it seem like he's obsessed/harassing her to anyone who doesn't see the videos. And it's not like it would have been hard to find other garbage react channels and spread the videos between various ones, or having a smaller series of more focused videos

[@modelmajorpita]

Jarvis made dozens of Dhar Mann videos on his main channel, Jack created a separate troll channel. And Jack was providing sources for the videos being stolen, which is a valuable service. Not to mention sniper's videos aren't just garbage she is stealing content and not using it in a transformative way which is a violation of fair use that leaves her open to lawsuits and therefore threatens everyone on youtube. You've been tricked into blaming the victim and are doubling down by saying his "bad optics" are to blame for your bad take. @@mattgopack7395

[@whatisupbruh2738]

I feel like if you looked into the entire history of the sniperwolf and jacksflims situation, you wouldn’t be as charitable towards Lea in this case. Like I don’t get the whole choice of being charitable when one side is so clearly in the wrong

[@ScoutOlson]

Yeah, sorry to say, I agree with what everyone in the comments is saying. Jack was criticizing her content in good faith in an effort for her to see her wrongdoings and grow as a creator, there was no malice intended. Lia, despite what she said in her apology (that may or may not have been written by ChatGPT) definitely made a conscious decision to doxx him to her 5 million followers. That is not a "lapse in judgment", and her sister's comments only made that more obvious.

[@brianahodnett]

Imagine if Jack showed up to Sniperwolfs house. The internet would flip, they would call him a disgusting stalker, and he would be removed from the platform almost immediately. Its so gross to see such a double standard with how KZbin deals with their favorite creators.

[@PUNKuate]

"whoever loses has to eat the worst card,. they don't get all the nice cards the rest of us will eat" had me dying.

[@MelodyTCG]

Watching normal people guess pokemon and saying to myself "oh thats obviously wormadam" is a great reminder that i need more hobbies

[@ashtheprofessor]

I love that Dipper was let in midway. I love that dude and could easily listen to a full podcast only talking about him

[@chelscara]

Using the woman card for her is the exact opposite of helpful considering it’s the only card she’s used to defend herself this whole time, when it isn’t even applicable in the first place because he’s critiqued men too

[@kirrahasariddle]

“it’s weird that tnt’s real” made me laugh for like 5 minutes

[@Tree-House69]

Y'all SSSniperwolf literally has a criminal history of armed robbery, no I'm not joking, she has been rancid for a long time, and him calling out multiple instances of her stealing content and actively avoiding people asking for credit is not Harassment.

[@maggotqu33n]

i mean, im 100% against her but having a criminal record doesnt make anyone a bad person. people do bad things sometimes and as a someone in the mental health field i will never judge someone for that. she’s still a pretty bad person but i dont care about the criminal history but instead everything else bc she’s currently doing those things.

[@YooranKujara]

​​@@maggotqu33nbut dude like think about someone showing up to your house unannounced. If you knew they had a history of ARMED ROBBERY wouldn't you be more scared than if they didn't?

[@mor4ls47]

@@maggotqu33ni agree regarding everyday people, but if somebody is actively threatening me & they have a violent crime on their history then yes i am going to care.

[@lazzyE]

Makes me smile everytime i see that turtle shell thing that Jarvis bought 💀

[@ibigames-u2f]

I feel like you're a bit too focused on the optics of the situation to realize you're feeding into Sniper's shitty viewpoint. I understand you don't wanna dogpile on a female creator but it almost sounds like you're giving her the benefit of the doubt just because she's a woman, which, idk, feels a bit infantalizing. She's not being harassed by Jack, he doesn't sick his subs on her. She did something kinda shitty, he poked fun at her, and she responded with a nuke. It has nothing to do with her gender.

[@anniejankovic8056]

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are, whether they realize it or not, falling for Sniper wolf's over the top "tee hee I'm such a dumb silly girlie 🤪" character way too much. Like she plays that up cuz her audience is largely kids. But she's not actually stupid. It's just easier to believe cuz she's a pretty girl I guess 🙄 like women can't be aware of their own actions

[@rabbit6546]

Yeah that’s been something that’s kind of pissing me off w the situation where it’s like I think it’s entirely fair to go into it initially if you know absolutely nothing about either side like literally nothing have only just learnt their names level of not knowing, but scratching just even a hint at the surface immediately breaks that illusion and continuing to perpetuate the idea that **maybe** it has something to do w lia being a woman is just insulting to the women who actually are targeted for no reason

[@SapphireSeahorse494]

unrelated, but I was really surprised that when dipper came in i didn't get scared because usually even videos or pictures of dogs are enough to trigger the ptsd so that's encouraging!

[@mochasucculent]

Aw congrats!

[@chillarypuff]

The Crystal Methyd shoutout was so fucking amazing

[@marie-evebeaupre2774]

I'm love the lighting in this one, it feels very cozy, like being inside on a rainy day ✨

[@theminecraft4202]

The pokemon segment is slowly becoming a regular thing and i'm all here for it

[@clairef5179]

while i think it’s pretty clear that jack has been merely criticizing sniperwolf, i understand how it could be interpreted as harassment without the full context. with that being said, if she was scared being she was being harassed, why show up at his house? also i’m not sure if there’s anything that justifies being doxxed.

[@bakeddulce5451]

This has nothing to do about harassment of women. She is clearly a horrible person. She got rich from stealing other people's content. It is very clear which side is right after you see one side shows up to the other side's house and doxxes them then acts innocent. She is playing victim & it is working on some people.

[@gracefulspork]

we need an episode thats just one and a half hours of you talking about dipper and how much of a good boy he is

[@SacredAssault]

Glad to see the Boyz back

[@iamjustkiwi]

I just hope the boyz aren't back in town to kill us 🎃

[@jaebebifi]

I've been a Jacksfilms fan since my partner showed me him back in 2016. He's always been extremely against "react" creators that just steal content. Sssniperwolf is just the latest in a long line of people he's openly mocked, but obviously much more consistent because of how youtube treats her and just how popular she is. On the sexist comments, Jack has always been against furries and that's about it. He's not sexist, he's not homophobic, he's not transphobic, if something is funny then he'll make the joke, but not if it would actually upset someone. This is the only real youtube drama I've ever seen him in and it's shocking just how quickly it's escalated. Wishing him and Erin well

[@Lucarioguild7]

I think everyone has said everything that needs to be said about Jack situation so I'll just say that I love that this is becoming a Pokemon podcast

[@LovveWilde]

Im dying over Jordan explicitly specifying that he wasnt intending to covertly threaten the monarch 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ceonixx2924]

This is by far best Sad Boyz episode simply due to the amount of Dipper content

[@MaiKayxo]

You three are absolutely hilarious together 😂 love when Kurtis joins the show! 💕

[@visceralangelic]

to clarify to anyone who doesnt know, jack has a second channel called jjjacksfilms where he "reacts" to her videos (does what she does) but does his best to credit the creators whose content she steals in her vids

[@liviarayes4191]

50:15 i have an alaskan malamute and let me tell you he is ferocious and most people and dogs are scared of him and i don’t blame them (also i have had my niece on his back when we’d like hold her hand and he just sat there and looked at us annoyed but didn’t do anything)

[@blakeellender9141]

I feel like ya'll didn't really look into the Jack thing before you talked on it. Jack is trying to protect small creators from content farms like SSSniperWolf.

[@e.anaiswhit6749]

I love Kurtis wearing the same shirt to multiple podcasts in the same shirt period of time. Just one pod to another pod. Same day

[@ryanhatesgirls]

Cool! what other pod was he on?

[@Starsongzz]

Okay, I wasn’t actually looking for the better part of this video, but when I did, it happened to be on Jordan’s face and my immediate reaction was “oh god what’s on his face!!!-oh” Love you Jordan💚

[@french8249]

I randomly found your channel, and being a Ramsey enjoyer myself I decided to watch this video. Great work and I will happily subscribe and look for more of your videos, me and my wife are currently sitting on top of our laundry while watching

[@sophienah4654]

I really wish people wouldnt make podcast episodes titled and centered around a topic they know nothing about and outright admit they havent researched and throw around words like "harassed". SSSniperwolf has a history of harassing competing girl gamers off the platform, shes been arrested for armed theft, she repeatedly shows a lack of empathy in general and for the creators she steals revenue from. Even if none of that was true. Jack has stayed professional. He is honest to god CRITIQUING her. He points out the bad stuff and credits the good stuff. But SSSniperwolf is so full of herself shes been spreading around that hes just jealous and obsessed with her.

[@chelscara]

Jarvis please remember she’s a 30 yr old woman with a n armed robbery charge, not 13.

[@RandyRivers2]

Before the doxxing, Jack outlines his frustrations about Sssniperwolf's "content" in a video a couple months ago. He admits he is jealous of her status because she is a "Creator" that is being elevated by KZbin, when all she does is steal content, summarizes what happens in the video in the most rudementary ways possible, does not properly credit the creators of the videos she's reacting to, and was recently caught taking jokes made in these videos and diliberately cuts out the part where the joke is said. Jack is criticizing the lack of content in the content of someone who's being protected by KZbin. A person who has potentially put people's lives in danger and is not being appropriately dealt with by KZbin. I don't agree with how the boys are talking as though they have to walk on eggshells in this case. I feel like they should've looked into this more before talking about it, because now there might people who are unaware of the context of the entire saga.

[@tommardel9792]

a room of 3 straight men talking abt drag race is so comforting

[@karo7628]

all ai images heavily rely on taking images without anyone's consent (sometimes u could even see random blurry words on some ai generated pics, you could tell it was previously a watermark from an artist) people can put in any image they want, and the ai has to learn from somewhere as well. A lot of people stopped caring simply because it's spread like wildfire and bc it's "looking cooler" meanwhile us artist are becoming met with more disrespect from people who think we're useless and want to claim their an artist by using ai. There are people who will continue to pay artist and some do believe it will die down. But we have to just keep fighting against it in order for it to truly die

[@tillyqtillyq3750]

Jarvis saying around 27:00 that he's anti art-theft makes me, a cat burglar who regularly crawls thru vents at 3am with classic artworks feel very gatekept and unappreciated 😢

[@c0rpsecloown]

no LITERALLY! as a black and white striped, mask wearing, giant bag full of modern art weilding individual i felt very targeted ☹️

[@shutupsprinkles]

I agree with the comments saying you were too nice to SSSniperwolf. It's like if My Story Animated's frontrunners showed up at your house because you've been critical of them; granted, Jack went very hard on SSSniperwolf's content-but he's *always* gone hard for criticism and satire. There was a time when he was churning out content on the Emoji Movie nonstop, haha. I can't begin to fathom how violated he feels. I've had a Tiktok prankster with 3 mil followers record video of me at work, and that felt violating enough-and my sister's had her ex stalk her and show up at our house. But a mix of both? Blegh...

[@rebeccahicks2392]

Jarvis compared her to a movie serial killer. That was a harsher and more condemnatory statement against her than I've heard from anyone else.

[@sarahbrown6493]

Jacksfilms, from my understanding, had a series where he parodied sssniperwolf's reaction content by sitting through her streams doing the same low effort 'reacting' that she passes off as content. He was also crediting all the creators she was 'reacting' to that she, of course, did not credit. It was a way to show how people like her basically steal other's content, don't credit them, and then act like it's transformative. It was this series that prompted her to dox him publicly. Absolutely unacceptable, she does not deserve the charity that Jarvis gives.

[@rio425ee]

Yeah i think next week's episode is going to have an update where jarvis having dug deeper realizes he was being entirely too forgiving towards her, and was not nearly charitable enough towards jack, who he was worked with and should have had a better read on.

[@Max-tr7en]

Jordans bit about eating the cards got me giggling way too hard

[@haloolak]

the fact that Kurtis’ mullet was inspired by Crystal Methyd is absolutely awesome. I can’t believe I never noticed the similarities before

[@zoroark567]

I haven’t watched all the parody videos, but I have seen all of the main channel videos, and the key factor is that Jack always criticized her content, and never her as a person. Meanwhile, she has pulled every bad faith defence and attacked his appearance, his character, and now his safety and security.

[@spidermonkeybm]

the thing about the SSSniperwolf situation is she is literally the biggest "reactor" on the platform who is actively put on a pedestal by youtube despite none of her content even being close to fair use, and Jack has been crediting the people she steals from. it may seem like harassament but he doesnt even take it that seriously, it is literally a game to jack. He is only critical of her content, and he very often offers actual ways to make the content transformitive. and its worth noting he started the channel over a year ago as a parody of her, and nothing changed, so he recently brought it back because youtube keeps promoting her. He genuinely just wants her to be responsible with her "content". She's been proven to steal jokes, she's intentionally cut around the username, and she has repeated clips in the same video literally 30 seconds apart to reach midroll qualification.

[@AlayneAdelaide]

The Danforth Musical Hall!! I've been to several really great shows there. Congrats to Kurtis I look forward to the special. To the Boyz, you're great

[@athertongraham8660]

KURTIS whoa his voice is deep am I insane

[@pig3292]

No, I felt the same way! Like, "why is Kurtis doing a voice?" I guess it's just different audio

[@SapphireSeahorse494]

the sound quality is like really crisp. it actually hurts my head a bit it's so clear lol

[@MrsMcTaco]

I feel like he uses a more “silly goofy” voice sometimes on his channel? Like when he’s reading from his script it’s higher

[@chris_troiano]

Literal conversation I had two weeks ago- Physical therapist, to me in the hospital: you have a slight nystagmus. It looks like you’ve got BPPV and there are crystals in your vestibular system. Me: Okay, so I don’t know what any of that means.

[@myhandlewastaken]

Wow, you all solved the mystery of Kit Kat for me! I'd never liked them but loved the bar I got in London. Definitely a dramatic difference.

[@rayhem]

i believe U.S. put butyric acid in the milk chocolates which is what is found in vomit. U.S. americans grow up with it and develop fondness for the flavor but to non-U.S. the hersheys kitkats etc all have disgusting pukey aftertaste

[@sonfromthemoon]

with context and the videos i've watched i don't think jack is doing anything wrong and him and his community are actually helping creators reclaim their content. where as what ive seen of sssniperwolf shes a bad person, not that she deserves to be personally harassed but she has and continues to do horrible shit, like her omegal videos, general hate of minorities, lying, stealing and everything else.

[@Zectifin]

Before my uncled OD'd in the early 90s he had the mullet and mustache look and hes had it in every picture I've seen of him and he was a pretty funny guy so whenever I see Kurtis with his look it gives me a weird sense of nostalgia and comfort.

[@lilyhatesgoogle]

i like this podcast but i think if you're going to have a certain topic slated for the episode, jarvis or jordan should do some bare minimum research to be informed on the topic before talking about it, it feels like u guys didn't really look into the content of jack's videos and you're missing a bit of the picture here. not saying u need to have a script or anything but just a bit of research is all.

[@lilyhatesgoogle]

jack's videos aren't just piles of criticism and harassment, he's just encouraging creators to claim their own videos when they're stolen

[@anniejankovic8056]

Yeah I would second this

[@erniefofernie]

Right? It feels lazy. And I know none of these guys are actually lazy! So I’m a little disappointed.

[@Rawrz013]

yeah 100% agree, it's not responsible at all for them to be commenting about a situation like what's been happening with jack and sniperwolf without doing BARE MIN research. it honestly sucks so bad that they're reacting like this because stalking and doxxing isn't ok no matter what like huh???

[@rebeccahicks2392]

@@erniefofernie It's not laziness--this podcast was recorded the morning after it happened. They wouldn't have had time to do in depth research.

[@MellyWilliams]

If Jarvis hasn't done any research on jjjacksfilms, why is he the one speaking on the situation? If none of them have done their research, why even speak on it?

[@starfishhhhh79]

i love your videos but this was an L take. Jacksfilms was in no way harassing her, he was objectively criticizing her for not crediting the videos she “reacted” to. the whole jjjacksfilms thing was a project to show how vacuous freebooting content is. He’s called out other male youtubers that has done this as well. women can be shitty too man.

[@sophdog2564]

I think y'all should've done a smidge more research into the jacksfilms/Sssniperwolf situation tbh. The situation came to a head when KZbin tweeted "Where does Sssniperwolf get her ideas? From her fans!" And then jacksfilms replied or quote tweeted saying that she actually steals other people's content. Then there was a back and forth Twitter thing that is documented on jacksfilms main channel and he announced that he was reactivating his parody channel, JJJacksfilms. He made the channel a year ago to call out her lack of transformative content. From my understanding, it went dormant for a while until this new situation JJJacksfilms then started being a host for clips from streans where he would grade her reactions (see: "Grading a terrible reactor" video on JJJacksfilms) and that evolved into Sssniperwolf Bbbingo when someone on Twitter made a bingo card and sent it to Jack. (I don't know who it was, but jacksfilms made it a point to credit the creator of the initial bingo card, even after it had been edited over time) Notably, there were never any personal attacks in these criticisms. Jacksfilms was very intentional to not only avoid sexism, including remarking on her looks, but also avoided baseless rumors like the rumor she was reading her reactions from a Google doc. He even refused to bring up her past actions like armed robbery, and didn't talk about her current lawsuit with her ex husband that alleges that she didn't actually play games in her gameplay videos from her previous channel. The only thing he criticized was her content and lack of transformative work, because as he said "all that other stuff is in the past, this is happening right now." And that was all he cared about. It's also worth noting that there is a bingo spot called "Actual Insight" which accounts for the rare instances when she says something insightful and transformative. According to jacksfilms, she never reached out privately to discuss or talk out their issues. She did make snide comments in a few of her videos, and there was obviously the twitter incident that incited this chapter of the saga, but it's also important to note that jacksfilms has always taken this hardline stance against "reaction channels" that just freeboot other people's content. He's criticized many other KZbinrs who do this, and even in the current saga he's been critical of Jason Derulo for being a freebooter worse than Sssniperwolf. The reason he's been going up against sssniperwolf so aggressively recently is that she is the biggest of these freebooters disguised as reaction channels and he wants her to, at the very least, credit the creators and ask them for permission before reacting to their videos. He has also suggested that if she's going to continue to not really react, then she should just accept that she's a complation channel and start licensing the videos like Daily Dose of Internet. He's also been encouraging creators to claim their work from videos that they don't want their work in. There have been several of these creators in his twitch chat talking about their content being stolen (even when they themselves were children) and one of the most heartbreaking ones was someone who said they almost quit art after sssniperwolf made fun of a drawing video they posted. They even deleted their video because they felt ashamed. I guess my point is that taken in totality it's pretty black and white. I think you were too gentle on sssniperwolf because you didn't have the full context. If it was a matter of her not feeling safe as a woman on the Internet with some guy making a bunch of videos about her, then why would she go to his house and try to goad him out? There are many other, safer, routes to take if that was the case. If you want a good female perspective on the situation, I suggest Swell Entertainment, who put up her video on it today.

[@LuneWatcher]

This was very well put, hard agree on everything. I hope next week they talk more about this after being more informed about the situation.

[@FaultyWirestv]

I got vertigo a couple times and that maneuver came up immediately when I googled, and it worked FANTASTICALLY, for the record.

[@skilareve]

One of my favorite episodes!! Felt like 3 guys just hanging out and I'm not a super Pokémon fan but the pack opening ASMR and Jordan's persistence in wanting to eat the cards was hilarious!

[@bug-bonic]

regarding the alaskan malamute thing: i actually did grow up with a malamute named sergeant, and as a little kid he LOVED playing with me. when it snowed, he would tug me on a sled, i would use him as a pillow, i can't remember if i actually ever got on his back but he probably could've carried my weight if he pulled me in the sled. definitely not an adult but a baby for sure. theyre huge dogs and love to pull like huskies and other sled dogs.

[@jamiepolson1385]

I have loved watching jack's SSSniperwolf bingo videos. The main purpose of them is to give actual credit to the original creators because in about 98% of sniper's videos she does not credit any of the creators and often gets the videos from ALREADY freebooted videos AND will even intentionally crop out their handle or crop out the caption so that she can say what the caption said and make it seem like she came up with a funny joke. and so often jack will try and find the original video that she is reacting to ON STREAM and tells people to go support that creator and to let them know that she used their video without their permission. And when she does include the Tik Tok handle he always links that account in the description of each video he uploads. Jack is a delight and Sniper is absolutely in the wrong in this situation and KZbin needs to take accountability of actual crimes that have been committed. Love the pod by the way! This was a great episode! Just wanted to weigh in since yall said you hadn't seen the bingo vids!

[@itzelgallegos5381]

Im having a very hard time relaxing and I thought to myself that this is just what I need to help me relax

[@annabanana3825]

Kurtis looks SO GOOD in this like he always looks good ofc but this is. Like. Insane. He looks so good.