How Steroids Became More Popular Than Heroin | News on Drugs

Steroids are more popular than heroin. In fact, by some estimates, they are the second most popular illicit drug, after cannabis.
And we need to talk about it.
Why are people using steroids? What are the effects? And why do users often not even think of themselves as “drug users”?
We dive deep into the world of steroids, and ask what this massive, unexplored drugs scene tells us about the way we think about bodies, masculinity and drug use in general.
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[@MrMightyZ]

“Fit people with jobs prefer to get big and strong when they’re constantly told there’s a good chance of carefully sustaining success rather than take heroin which is a proven 90% guaranteed nose-dive in to job loss and misery” well then, stop the press! What a newsflash! Unbelievable!

[@TheDavido91]

I think a big problem with steroids is the way they are normalized in pop culture as well. You don't even have to look at bodybuilding pros to see steroids in use. Chris Hamsworth as Thor, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. they are just two examples of people who are, at least obvious to people who work out, on gear.

[@johermeah3988]

Exactly. And what troubles me is their 'motivation' or 'grind' videos with millions of views perpetuates these expectations of what hard work can achieve. With expectations like that boys become frustrated by comparatively smaller results, even if those results are massive and to be proud of.

[@TheDavido91]

​@@johermeah3988 Yea, and they are selling their mediocre programs, telling the masses, that their physique was achieved by hard work and their program. When in reality they just used steroids.

[@alejandropreciado1814]

top comment right here

[@jubeimakeshi]

Yep they have been on gear for a while:

[@ObiAmajoyiSrMD]

If you believe steroid use is popularized by the Rock or Thor, you’ve got no clue.

[@user-qr4uq5oc5o]

Townshend is objectively wrong. In a study, participants were provided either a steroid or a placebo, and both groups were further divided into two sub-groups, which were instructed to either exercise on a regular schedule or avoid exercise entirely. At the end of the trial period, the participants who took steroids but did not exercise had higher muscle growth than the participants that took the placebo and regularly exercised.

[@latifFTL]

Yessir

[@onetwothree7181]

LBM doesn't equal muscle btw

[@doseau]

100 percent! She's not the expert she claims to be.

[@stuco]

what do you expect from vice news

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

She knows what shes talking about. The study in question mentioned lean body mass, whivh does not per se include muscle only. ​@@doseau

[@idk9273]

Im 100% certain there is a ton more marijuana use than steroids. Some weird opening statement that was.

[@fieldwalrus3904]

thank u

[@BaderFPV]

I was thinking the same thing

[@geraldhoffman2606]

Exactly. 15 seconds in and this is already dumb 😂

[@ronburgundyspetfish9039]

He said more than heroin,not weed 0:08 0:10

[@geraldhoffman2606]

@@ronburgundyspetfish9039 he said for every cannabis smoker there is two steroid users in the first 20 seconds bud

[@Canthev]

"when you just take steroids and don't go to the gym, nothing's going to happen" this has been scientifically proven to be incorrect. Studies have shown that steroid use alone (no time at the gym) provides more lean mass growth than going to the gym without steroids does. Study: S. Bhasin, et al. “The effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men.” New England Journal of Medicine, 1996

[@CoronaTheVirus]

Props for including the source, dont see that often on YT comments.

[@baderow7358]

thats true but the gains you get from steroids alone will start decreasing to nothing and you won't build any more muscles sitting at home

[@nbs90]

Thank you! I knew that there was a study but could not remember the name

[@deniscristianstoica1389]

@@themmaclub4479 did they said that? they didnt said that

[@raytracer5726]

Yeah, basically taking steroids and doing nothing is 3-4 times more effective than working out.

[@IKEMENOsakaman]

I have more respect for people who admit to using steroids then the tools who claim to be "natty".

[@nobodyspecialfromkentucky]

All of it is BS

[@mogambo2445]

Thats like saying you are proud of people who recognize taking cocaine, its just stupid, but propaganda made you believe that Steroids=Effots. It doesnt.

[@warmac88]

True

[@Guillermo_Carratero]

Who claim 'natty' like this Simeon Panda guy, who says he is official Natty, even taken a lie detector LOL

[@Cynthia_Blackraven_666]

@@Guillermo_Carratero Simeon panda is a POS. Not only he claims natty which is ridiculous but he also promotes training and diet plans that do NOT work for real natural lifters. Drugged up "influencers" like him are the reason why many people don't make any serious gains. That said he is still better than that fucker greg doucette and the 17 yo aesthetic brahs on tren.

[@PeteRubish]

Can confirm! I was on steroids for nine years straight and they are rampant in gyms across the world. At most of your commercial gyms, the biggest guys you see are indeed on steroids.

[@alie.1935]

PETE. Good to see you here man hope your doing well.

[@PeteRubish]

@@alie.1935 Thanks brother! I hope you're doing well too!

[@kam1leladass]

One of the few real ones, thanks for everything you do Pete! 🙏🏽

[@MS-tc2fs]

It also drives them nuts and makes them mentally unstable

[@wodasu]

Yup!

[@alexandros6664]

One thing this video didn't address is the increase of fly-by-night HRT clinics. Younger males-as young as 19-are able to get prescribed Testosterone and other androgens, even if their testosterone levels are within the normal range. This is problematic because social media fitness influencers endorse these clinics-as well as offer promo codes for them. That along with heavy SARM usage among teenagers has led younger males to mess around with their endocrine system at such a young age.

[@doestack7]

Yeah I remember the story about all the public safety agencies in NJ with the doctor that died they swept it under the rug

[@jennifersuzannebk5149]

This is not only statistically wrong but holistically wrong the chances of being addicted to steroids are significantly lower than any opioids implying that steroids have the ability to detect people like opioids it's not only purely wrong but extremely preposterous. I do proclaim steroids are only addictive when you are mental capabilities are not 100% while opioids can addict a pastor within a day do your research before opening your mouth next time or else I will close it for you like my ancestors did to trash like you.

[@jennifersuzannebk5149]

@@doestack7 and you as well fool

[@jennifersuzannebk5149]

@@doestack7 This is not only statistically wrong but holistically wrong the chances of being addicted to steroids are significantly lower than any opioids implying that steroids have the ability to addict people like opioids it's not only purely wrong but extremely preposterous. I do proclaim steroids are only addictive when you are mental capabilities are not 100% while opioids can addict a pastor within a day do your research before opening your mouth next time or else I will close it for you like my ancestors did to trash like you.

[@jennifersuzannebk5149]

Also even if steroids were addictive like opioids which they are not you have to have body dysmorphia for it to actually be addictive I digress- I would rather have one Ronnie Coleman the 19,000 Kurt Cobain's statistically speaking one of them actually is useful and it's not Kurt Cobain and his whiny lyrics even if they were kind of good

[@gmckart]

While bodybuilding is the most visually striking example, I think it’s also the most niche inspiration. Household names like Dwayne Johnson has normalized steroid bigness the same way Arnold did via film. Both have done family and young adult action films. Young men never get shown the difference between peak natural results vs peak steroid results unless they pursue the info themselves.

[@martinvulu1848]

So a young man who was thinking about taking them should study them first? Kind of like ANY time you CHOOSE to take on a new endeavor? Instead of relying on others, Take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your own HEALTH? Sounds like common sense to me.

[@jennifersuzannebk5149]

This is not only statistically wrong but holistically wrong the chances of being addicted to steroids are significantly lower than any opioids implying that steroids have the ability to detect people like opioids it's not only purely wrong but extremely preposterous. I do proclaim steroids are only addictive when you are mental capabilities are not 100% while opioids can addict a pastor within a day do your research before opening your mouth next time or else I will close it for you like my ancestors did to trash like you.

[@jaidenarias5912]

Do you want to talk/learn about God and Jesus? God and Jesus both love you and can help you with whatever you may be going through

[@wackyadz06]

And further perpetuated by brands like GymShark who use roided up models to promote their brand. Easy to think such physiques are possible with hard work.

[@wackyadz06]

@@martinvulu1848 oh you're so smart Martin. The kinda man to have never made a mistake. Especially when younger. You're a hero mate. So inspirational. Prick.

[@cokiyideolducokdaguzeliyio462]

I can still remember when I was training in the gym as a beginner back then. A gym member who was 5-6 years older than me taught me some exercises and told me how muscular and vascular his body was a few years ago. He then showed me his chest and I noticed that he had swollen nipples even though he wasn't high in body fat. His explanation for this condition was: Since I don't exercise as actively as I used to, I got fat deposits in my chest. He also told me about problems in his joints. I'm pretty sure today that he suffered from gynecomastia due to his previous steroid abuse. Thank god I never touched steroids.

[@keownfinefolders]

There are safe ways to run it. Ever heard of anti aging clinics? Yeah that's all it is.

[@dannyd938]

He probably didn’t have proper knowledge of how to use them due to the stigma and laws. SERMs and Aromatase inhibitors prevent gyno from estrogen. If abusing Deca or using other 19 nor derivatives then cabergoline or prami can be used to prevent gyno from prolactin.

[@JamesCook76131]

I’ve run all the gear before, now only do TRT! Gyno is mainly from poor diet while on gear, doing hard cardio and keeping diet in check will prevent most. Also not blasting stupid dosages like 250mg/week and above. Tren can lead to a different issue, prolactin build up. Most males already have some gyno from puberty or being overweight, also vascularity does not go away once the gear stops, as your red blood cell count will stay elevated unless you donate blood.

[@JamesCook76131]

@@dannyd938 damn didn’t see you made a similar comment, tren and decca give that prolactin build up. I had to stop tren after a severe flair up of cystic acne.

[@phuckyoutube5927]

You can get that from not using steroids and end up on them to fix it. Everything has a time and a place for it people shouldn't demonize things like that. It not thier fault he abused them.

[@apallok54]

Rest in peace Rich Piana. Forever inspired

[@justwannabehappy6735]

You are inspired by a junkie ?

[@johnnyave]

i came here to post this but instead i like this post

[@bogus69]

@@johnnyave🙌

[@mufarowashejoshuamangwiro3238]

“Steroids make you just work harder” clearly this woman is an expert on anabolics and muscle hypertrophy

[@mufarowashejoshuamangwiro3238]

@Willmatecycling except that she couldn’t be more wrong. The academic literature is literally a Google search away. Having super physiological levels of any hormone in your body regardless of activity has an extremely high probability of eliciting some changes.

[@paulholmboy2174]

yep. immediately ruined the oiece.

[@megapet777]

Lol yeah. If you take steroids and do nothing, you will still grow your muscles. Just not as much.

[@dionysosalters2151]

@@megapet777 Still more than naturals who work out regularly

[@dionysosalters2151]

This

[@sbubhengu8322]

Derek of More Plates More Dates should have been the expert that Vice consulted for this.

[@JimmyCarterAkaBrandon]

Top comment

[@thatindiandude4602]

No. Well given his views on gender and sports he would not be kosher I think.

[@riccardosartori3822]

Too "right wing" for Vice (and by right wing I mean not politically correct enough) 😂

[@veganluv7166]

She has a PHD , she knows more about everything on anything , period . BTW, my buddy used to inject Justin Trudeau with steroids , Justin just wanted to be the rippiest braugh at the ball. Has anyone ever had the Stromba 56 pack?

[@poindextertunes]

straight fax 📠

[@bowdownclown]

She has a really good understanding of the bodybuilding community, good job Vice getting the right person on the show. Miss Rich. Rest in Protein.

[@moceri55]

Yea just not the effect they have on the body. They don’t work only by making you work out harder.

[@Marrow9000]

I think discussions and documentaries with people who actually work out or go to gyms or use steroids are way better than this one. She seemed new to the environment as some average American or Brit going to Mongolia and wondering why and how they do horse riding games the way they do, "studying it" for a short time, and reporting on it. A person who knows horses and some tribal nomadic herding cultures would be better for the interview.

[@bowdownclown]

@@moceri55 Yeah, that was oversimplification.

[@bowdownclown]

@@Marrow9000 Can't agree. She provided a good introductory insight into the industry for someone who knows nothing about it. I reckon pinning gym bros could hold back in certain aspects to preserve their identity and thus not provide as complete an image. Sure it wasn't perfect but surprisingly good for someone who looks like she hasn't stepped foot in the gym.

[@tehcod6157]

she knows something, she doesnt know it all by any means.

[@roybatty-]

Steroid users are EVERYWHERE. Not just weightlifters and athletes. Doctors, lawyers, teachers, cops, firefighters, nurses, businessmen, students, white collar workers, blue collar workers, etc, etc, etc. It is a rampant epidemic. Many instances of workplace violence, harassment, bullying, assault etc. can be linked to rage caused by steroid use.

[@ididthisonpulpous6526]

I have known a bunch of guys who were on gear pretty heavily. It always strikes me as strange that they are into "fitness" while concurrently doing some serious damage to their health. There are certainly ways to go about it that are less long term damaging, but the thing about getting addicted to the look you don't do the things to protect your health. All the guys who kept dosing up after 40 that die of heart failure before they are 50.

[@therideneverends1697]

Its body dysmorphia at the end of the day, same reason an anorexic person thinks they are gettting healthier as they drop down to 80 pounds, Its not about health as much as chasing an image

[@WeirdNeville]

I honestly wouldn't care half as much if they dropped the whole 'fitness' moniker, and were just open about it. It's NOT fitness, it's using steroids to get huge. Fine if you want to do that and have a full appreciation of the risks. These drugs being illegal or illicit prevents open discussion about the benefits and risks, and prevents people getting the medical help they need. Yeah, If you're on steroids, you're not doing it for fitness. You're doing it for looks and personal reasons.

[@thing8357]

@@therideneverends1697 There is actually a mental health condition in the bodybuilding community nicknamed bigorexia and officially called muscle dysmorphia. Basically it's like anorexia but instead of I'm not thin enough it's I'm not big enough and it's estimated 1 in 10 body builders could suffer from it.

[@therideneverends1697]

@@thing8357 I dont doubt it

[@Bluudclaat]

@@WeirdNeville well said that’s definitely it mostly, but there is also an addiction to feeling good and juiced all the time I’m guessing

[@nicknorthcutt7680]

Most of the fitness 'influencers' today are on roids, passing it off as naturally attainable and not being transparent. It's disgusting.

[@steroidsR4losers]

We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind! ROIDERS are FAKES! Stay natural buddy!

[@sasquatchhunter86]

Should have a million likes, top comment, and shared all across all the Internet

[@WeirdNeville]

Shouldn't have anything to do with 'fitness' IMO. It's not fitness, it's vanity. Which is fine, it's just not about health! In fact it risks your health and longevity for looks.

[@JLUX100]

@@WeirdNeville also 98% of steroid users live full healthy lives

[@nealxl6256]

@@JLUX100unfortunately the first symptom of something wrong could be death. Ask a medical doctor

[@zeppafloyd]

I started lifting weights in 9th grade. That was 1973. I was super skinny and wanted to be muscular and athletic like my father and uncles. And because there were guys in high school who were lifting and I wanted to be like them. I didn't know about steroids until the 1980's. As much as I wanted to look like Arnold I was just not willing to compromise my health. I did inject testosterone enanthate in low doses at age 55 for about 8 months and took anavar during that time as well. Haven't used since. Bodybuilding is about turning weaknesses into strengths. As much as I hate my structure, I love my health more. I don't judge others for their choices however.

[@JewelzUFO]

I'm 29 and was put on TRT by my primary doctor, to help with severe fatigue. 200mg of test once a week toward the end. Then the pandemic hit and i stopped going. Best I ever felt in my life.

[@Dan-sw5wz]

@@JewelzUFO you felt the best while you were taking it or after you stopped?

[@dw4940]

@@JewelzUFO what country?

[@Meloncholymadness]

@@JewelzUFO Best you felt in your life during or after?

[@steroidsR4losers]

We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind! ROIDERS are FAKES! Stay natural buddy!

[@ZybakTV]

2:16 this actually isn't true. They did a study on this and people gained muscle sitting on their ass...like a lot too 😂 Not as much as if you trained and ate properly while also on steroids of course but still a lot.

[@tomthb8439]

Especially if they are the kind of steroids that raises testosterone...

[@caelumellis2376]

To a certain degree, its not linear. Its like you changed your genetic baseline for muscle retention/growth. Unforturnately a lot of studies do not really take into account the relative affect on a trained individual to an un-trained. If you are natural and training and take steroids but stop training (of course this is all relative, how advanced of a lifter you are and how much you take/what you take etc) you will most likely lose strength and mass. I am currently still a natural lifter (I compete in powerlifting recreationally) but my coach has spoken to me about the path of gear if I am to choose that road. As I am somewhat advanced (3.5 x BW deadlift, 3x BW squat, 2x BW bench, roughly ofc), if I am to take steroids for it to be worthwile I will need to increase the intensity of my training to see the true benefits of them. (I know steroids in strength sports are used differently to bodybuilding, but we take the same drugs, just different cycles and peaking techniques etc)

[@fluffigverbimmelt]

If this was not the case, most of these drugs had no or little legal application. They are not meant to only work if you go really hard in the gym. Who would evem approve such a drug. I'd say that was an oversimplification on her side, but still a valid point in general. It's not like you get massive just and from steroids only.

[@Matt-wg9xl]

I'm so glad someone mentioned this. I read about the same study, there was the group of guys that sat on their butts and did nothing but took roids and put on more muscle than the ones that were clean and hit the gym every day. But then the group that took roids and also hit the gym were like 6 times stronger than the next group. People sometimes downplay how much of a factor steroids are. And the obvious corollary that if the effect is big then the side-effects will also be big.

[@tazwld]

A lot of the added lean body mass is water. Testosterone causes water retention.

[@nemo9540]

A friend of mine used steds for years on and off especially when his self esteem was at his lowest he would inject steps and go to the gym 2 or 3 times a day. One day I went to check in to see how he was doing because I noticed that he'd became increasingly depressed he rolled up his arm to show me a wound he had since he last injected himself. It was a large black hole which was very inflamed around the edges, he wouldn't go see a doctor so the best I could do for him was to clean his wound and dress it. After a while he started to get a nasty constant cough which was evident everything I saw him, I recognised the signs that he could have had lung cancer because i have it i begged him to go get checked out. That was 10 years ago now and I haven't seen him since, his health was worse tha mine and i had stage 4 lung cancer, he just disappeared and I'm scared that after all these year's I can't help but think that he has died.

[@kali6651]

He wasn't injecting steroids if he was injecting it into the crook of his arm. Did he have an abscess on his deltoid? A little confused I apologize.

[@blumpkinspicelatte4580]

This is a total lie.

[@kali6651]

@Foofy Foofer Addicts absolutely go to the hospital for an abscess, usually they will wait until they are feverish and the area around it is hot to the touch - then a medical professional will lance the abscess, and stuff it with gauze. That's only if it gets bad enough, usually they will wait until it's absorbed into the body. I've been sober for 5 years thankfully from shooting heroin and cocaine. Abscesses fucking sucked.

[@nemo9540]

@@blumpkinspicelatte4580 and you base this on? For a start in the UK when we say we're going to see a doctor we mean to see a gp or general practitioner in the local health centre run by the NHS, 2nd I'm pretty certain that you have no idea who my friend is so what are you basing your comment on?

[@SIX6SIXer]

you inject steroids at the top of your ass cheek... not your arm. your buddy was a heroin addict.

[@jrcardoso2853]

Back when I was in elementary I thought monster energy drink was a form of roids. I would buy one and drink it before I played flag football.

[@alexcisneros2980]

😂

[@mattmerc]

Wholesome stuff man lol

[@aesyamazeli8804]

Lmaoooo

[@martinvera5962]

😂🤣😂

[@akolyt]

caffeine is a drug but it's definitely not roids tho

[@dvsn23]

"everyone is on steroids" - Nate Diaz

[@JamesWest_III]

I’m not

[@ThePeacePlant]

@@JamesWest_III everyone who is a professional fighter

[@RurikCycling]

He’s a huge hero / idol of mine! No peds ever and wish others would have that mindset too!

[@dinmamma740]

one thing the expert seem to be missing, is that being on roids will infact increase overall musclemass to a degree without going to the gym. being on test was shown to increase atleast 200% gains of that of a natty that has worked out regularly for a 6 month peroid.

[@jackhand4073]

Yeah complete misinformation.

[@robertjohnston4320]

No you are very wrong testosterone will help you lose body fat, but your lazy ass has still got to get off your ass eat right and work out to gain muscle

[@michaelfavata2720]

Was going to say some form of this. Makes me concerned about her credibility in coming out the gate saying that.

[@marcoechavarria7274]

I’ve read that study. People took test and didn’t workout AT ALL, and gained more muscle mass than those natural lifters who actually worked out lol it’s same the hypertrophic effects of steroids

[@dinmamma740]

@@marcoechavarria7274 forgot to mention this but something i was gnna get at aswell.

[@lindsay1971]

The conspiracy theory thing was a real weird stretch they angled in somehow. "I noticed a lot of people were antivaxx", you could say that after visiting Walmart, it doesn't mean all Walmart shoppers and antivaxx.

[@jess_aaron]

There have been many MANY deaths in the bodybuilding community, definitely deterred me from wanting to use anything!

[@kovy689]

You’re a lifetime natty?

[@jimmybeanchugger1832]

Honestly fam it seems like it’s really the intense steroid abusers who die. I don’t think I’d be against using a reasonable amount of steroids to change my looks insanely quick

[@chipsammich2078]

@Dennis Estrada same here

[@tomondiek2839]

your profile image says otherwise

[@dewilew2137]

Liar 🤥

[@cheriann6461]

I hope we continue to talk openly about definitions and representations of masculinity. I can't help but to think that instead of addressing steroid use, we should be addressing topics like low self-esteem, depression, and the messages that we send young men, regarding their bodies.

[@ilikefruit666]

No.

[@cheriann6461]

@@ilikefruit666 lol. Um....Yes.

[@alimeharaz3674]

Unless u want our society to turn perverted like in japan/korea, id suggested u leave men to their own device, which is our natural burden of performance to be better, not “feel good” while our lives get destroyed

[@cheriann6461]

@@alimeharaz3674 Ok.....or maybe it'd be nice to remind men that they ARE good enough, in so many respects, and maybe it'd be nice to help work against whatever destroys their lives. Self-improvement and drive are to be encouraged, but not at the expense of well-being.

[@cklaurence6414]

@@alimeharaz3674 agreed.

[@valdencorr2861]

She's clearly NOT aware. lmao

[@snugglezbrah5558]

Lmao does she even lift? Repped 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[@user-bl1qb9sr8e]

Bro interviewed one person

[@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e]

Bumped into a guy online that mentioned he had a friend that was supplying a huge percentage of his city's police department with steroids. Which... ¹not surprising... ²Would explain a lot when we're talking about law enforcement and blue line culture in the states.

[@cklaurence6414]

You heard this from a guy online? 🤣🤣🤣

[@firstlast8258]

@@cklaurence6414 screen name richpianoman05%

[@TextbookBoxingGB]

Always really appreciated I got into boxing before I got into the gym Having that anchor of a functional sport rather than aesthetics for aesthetics sake was so important for me growing up Plus boxing especially putting so much of the “it’s not your body it’s how you use it” and the “boxing is 90% mental” just kept me on the straight and narrow

[@olyjfitness]

Plenty of gear in boxing too

[@jennifersuzannebk5149]

This is not only statistically wrong but holistically wrong the chances of being addicted to steroids are significantly lower than any opioids implying that steroids have the ability to detect people like opioids it's not only purely wrong but extremely preposterous. I do proclaim steroids are only addictive when you are mental capabilities are not 100% while opioids can addict a pastor within a day do your research before opening your mouth next time or else I will close it for you like my ancestors did to trash like you.

[@jean-sandropagnanelli6890]

Same; absolutely agree.

[@jaidenarias5912]

Do you want to talk/learn about God and Jesus? God and Jesus both love you and can help you with whatever you may be going through

[@JLUX100]

@@jean-sandropagnanelli6890 except all professional athletes use steroids or have hahah

[@nickroux8679]

this woman so wrong, you will literally gains muscle doing noothing if you take steroids, its not just letting you wark harder, you actually have to not work AT ALL.

[@CaneFu]

Steroids are psychologically and physically addictive, I know as I've been there. Once you have experienced being super physiologically enhanced it is very difficult to go back and live as an average schmuck again.

[@sukhoifockewulf9371]

Yeah, show me what compound from which of the 3 base groups of anabolic steroids has been shown to be physically addictive. It's pretty obvious that you just became a human pincushion without really understanding the stuff you blasted beyond the typical gym bro, because that's not true, lol.

[@bcxaz]

As someone who uses these "drugs", I can tell you from experience they are one of the most difficult drugs to come off of. The addiction is rarely spoken about. All that is ever talked about is done as if they are just like a viatamin you either take or not take and there is no other effect taken into account. Not to mention thei positive effecrts are rarely spoken about as well.

[@willstillman6771]

You do have to admit that there is no physical dependency though, like with “true drugs” such as opioids, psycho stimulants, alcohol, cigarettes, etc.

[@Group.B]

@@willstillman6771 dependency is dependency. The level of testosterone and shortened recovery time is unnatural.. you get addicted to something unnatural as this it’s a rap. It’s a form of sensory addiction. I say this as someone’s brother who’s addicted to roids and he’ll will probably die because of it

[@357-swagnumultramagax9]

I still see it as a form of chemical dependency, you miss a dose and you’re in a world of hurt .

[@poindextertunes]

my trt clinic closed and decided not to tell me. For a month i was depressed and my super hot & young gf was sure I was breaking up with her. If she left first bcuz of that, I would’ve went down a very dark path in life 💯

[@bcxaz]

@@Kigoz4Life Taken them for about 25 years. There is a marked difference between anabolics which are completely synthetic made to trigger certain things in your body vs. those that are testosterone based so they are just supplementing your body with what is there already yet is in a decreased state due to some outside rreason. For example studies show our low quality of air and water polution are direct causes of overall decrease in natural testosterone production.. Low test has been p[roven to cause depression, lack of overall drive among other negative things. So naturally if you supplement the testosterone you will reduce the amount of depression caused by low test levels. I have had very much an imporved overall life situation due to these supplements. Including longevity in the bedroom, higher drive as well as a reduced fat level overall and overall more and better quality muscle production and longevity as well. In plain terms I am lean and I can still keep my sex drive high and can last in the bed with my women friends. I am not married which should be noted. I have experienced a very strong dependence on them as well which is rarely talked about but I openly admit I do not know what I would do without these. However I have had zero medical problems at all. Keep in mind I do not take anything to make me larger than the average male should be at my age, which is 49 years old. But no kidney problems like they speak about here no liver issues however I did stop drinking alcohol many years ago. I cannot say I would not have had issues had I kept a hard lifestyle this entire time but I chose to remove those things from my life for the most part.

[@sammoylan2144]

I took my 1st 12 week cycle at 18, done 4 cycles after that but stopped because I realised I was only taking them to make myself look better for other people, and it comes at a cost, I felt amazing on them but got very spotty and when I would come of the roids I felt very depressed. I know kids at 16-18 years old who still take them, but my uncle was a full time body builder, he died with a heart condition and it said the high level of steroids in his system probably brought it on. Dont do it, its not worth it, you don't know what your injecting into yourself and if someone doesn't like you the way u are, then they ain't for u. Easy, be fat, be happy, be healthy, but dont inject roids

[@RickardoAgusta]

thank you for this

[@Blackpill149]

90% steroid users can not leave it.body and mind becomes dependent on that drug

[@brothermanbill6750]

No, just do your research and cycle them properly, don’t be stupid.

[@sammoylan2144]

@@brothermanbill6750 do what u want

[@steroidsR4losers]

We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind! ROIDERS are FAKES! Stay natural buddy!

[@1loumellor51]

Hmmm, some incorrect information in this video - steroids DO make your muscles grow, even if you don't work out. A lot of steroids were developed for medical use for example in cases of muscle degenerative diseases. 'Steroids' is a blanket term, but ultimately these hormones are often developed to literally make your muscles grow.

[@JLUX100]

They have many different medical uses not just for degenerative diseases. Which is not to make your muscle just grow it's to help STOP OR SLOW muscle wasting/ catibolizing. And help them keep their muscle mass also can be used to help bring back someone rhat has already lost a lot of lean muscle mass. Can also be used jn some cancer treatments , and to aid sick cells , boost immunity and help metabolic diseases.

[@JLUX100]

But yes this video is chalked with wrong information. It's garbage.

[@drBaenz]

As far as needle sharing is concerned, it certainly has something to do with restrictions. When I wanted to buy injections for IM at the pharmacy, this was initially refused. When asked if I could have flashpacks (complete set for IV use) it was as much as you want…

[@Morphious117]

Been training for over 30 years and got pretty big in mid 20s just taking creatine. Was tempted to take peds. Was offered peds several times by people I used to train with. Most of those guys don’t train any more. Few have passed away due to strokes and heart attacks and other issues. .

[@JLUX100]

Lmfao and heart disease is the biggest killer of humans period . Regardless of ped use. Nice misinformation and anecdotal experience though lol hundreds of millions use and have used AAS over the past 60+ years and more than 98% live full heslthy lives. by the sounds of it you should go on TRT. Your quality of life and health will thank you for it.

[@kloakekloaker1020]

@@JLUX100 coping hard bro. Are ya wheezing from standing my roided buddy ? Fucking clowns u would get a stroke doing manual labor not to mention real cardio.

[@Jack-cr6iw]

@@JLUX100 cope

[@weirdflex8158]

@@JLUX100 lmfao stop the cap steriods definitely take years off your life show me evidence of your "98 percent"

[@gonzayare]

@@JLUX100 Previous use (regular) of steroids increase your chances to get a stroke or develop cancer, there isn't doubt about it, it's a medical fact. Whether they had those earlier on life or because steroids it's really hard to know, but you can't just ignore all damage in organs they cause (when regular use), all negative lasting effects in heart and all life sequels because of them. Yeah after one cycle most people could get away with it, but most users don't stop in one cycle. Let's just be aware of the risks, and stop being naive about it

[@maxbretschneider6521]

Arnold constantly talks about the dangers of steroid use in modern bodybuilding, and how the drugs used (and the dosage) has changed. Back when he took them himself, they were new, legal and considered more of a supplement. They weren't aware of the dangers of them. He is not popularising these drugs, on the contrary he is trying to diminish the use of them

[@currycel470]

Exactly! It was less researched back then so they told what they knew.

[@NiSE_Rafter]

Guys are also trying to get bigger than ever, taking absolutely insane dosages to try and achieve the impossible.

[@onewhitepony]

Also from interviews I've seen from all of them during the 70s they said what they took Is basically what you see women fitness models take now. Guys today are on wayyy too much. I think arnold said his was Dbol which is a basic oral tablet and he did that leading into a contest. Off season he was small as he shrank. Hard to find pics but he looked like a natural in off season

[@JLUX100]

Uhm the dangers are not there you've been brainwashed . There is no data to suggest this 98% of steroid users live a full healthy life

[@JLUX100]

@@NiSE_Rafter people aren't dying from aas. I'd love you to prove it. They're dying from insulin abuse and huge amounts of harsh diuretics that can kill you on the spot by effecting your blood potassium levels.

[@manicpepsicola3431]

There really does need to be more proper education on steroid usage and also if people are going to use them they need to aware of what happens to your body when you over do it harm reduction is always the way to go imo

[@clayyytonnn153]

As a former IV user, I never considered that steroid users would share needles the way IV drug users, like myself at the time, often do. That more than anything just opened my eyes to the deeper motivations in the steroid addiction lifestyle. Much love to all, especially anyone really going thru it

[@sevourn]

Almost all of them probably don't. Sure there's always one stupid guy out there but it is certainly not the norm. Notice she said "she heard a story" about that. A steroid cycle will run someone 500 to several thousand dollars. People who have the means to spend that on a 13 week cycle have no problem going to Amazon and spending 20 bucks on 100 insulin syringes.

[@connorh5715]

Lmao you really are clueless if you think people running steroids commonly share needles.

[@clayyytonnn153]

@@connorh5715 you sound so much like reluctant junkies in rehab. So exactly how many needles have you shared honestly?

[@hugohom2280]

nobody shares needles we arent broke

[@clayyytonnn153]

@hugohom2280 but yall get desperate and experience volatile emotional swings. I could see yall bumping an IM after your homie. It's all good bro, you might not have aids man it's all good

[@timkenda8203]

As someone who has 1. used both drugs 2. been involved in the sale of both drugs 3. Trained people in the gym 4. Worked with people with substance abuse issues (as a CADAC) 5. Has come off of both drugs I will say this. There is a lot of misinformation in this video; however, there is also a lot of information that is spot on. I know far more people that have used steroids than have used heroin (most people I've trained, that's one of their first questions). Especially with social media, it has basically become standard for men to go to the gym for 3 months and then hop on some sort of assistance to get instant results. People are NOT educated on what these substances do in the body, and often times mess themselves up. I know a lot of people that get clean from "hard" drugs and start to use steroids immediately. It is difficult to describe how steroids make you feel, but I will say that every time I have juiced, I have eventually relapsed on hard drugs. Most people in my area that sell simply buy them and have them shipped from overseas; it is not difficult, and they are cheap. For more information, please see Derek from More Plates More Dates on KZbin to get a start. Please do not hop on these drugs without years of a solid, natural base and years of information Please do NOT use Trenbolone, ever, for any reason.

[@tylerackison8251]

Thanks for sharing

[@joelcarper4082]

What if someone trained there whole life naturally? Would it be stupid to use cycles to achieve things you couldn't naturally achieve to push yourself as far as you could go before you become an old man? I think it could be worth it

[@turboleggy]

@@joelcarper4082 that's a personal desicion. But even one cycle done right (doctors supervision and bloodwork imo) especially at your prime will give you lasting benefits with minimal risk. Personally would never do it, I like lifting recreational and don't think taking health risks is worth it for more performance. As medicine gets better hopefully we will see better products.

[@Ghost-dy9sf]

2:20 the interviewee states that taking steroids and not exercising will do nothing, this is untrue, steroid users who don't exercise will atleast in a single month gain more than those who exercise but are not on steroids. Steroids are that effective.

[@helloimclaudio]

Yes, I’ve seen studies done that prove this. I don’t think so much so how you explained it. But if both groups don’t workout, the steroid user will still see muscle gain while the other will likely see a decrease

[@Cathal7707]

2:00 "steroids dont make you bigger on their own". Not true, theres an old study that investigated effects of 4 scenarios: lifting on steroids, lifting no steroids, no lifting steroids, and no lifting no steroids. Guys on steroids who didnt lift gained more muscle than those off steroids who did lift. I mean even if you think about it, anabolic steroids get prescribed in loads of medical contexts eg cancer or AIDS where people need to gain mass, without any expectation of training. Steroids are given to cows and theyre not in the gym. Why did you interview someone who doesn't lift?

[@seanwilliams480]

"Late 70's, early 80's" growth in steroid use can be attributed to one person: Dan Duchaine. His first book came out in 1981, advertised in the backs of national bodybuilding magazines. For about $10 anyone could get the inside information on everything the guys in the magazines were using. That was the biggest game changer other than Arnold in Pumping Iron.

[@bootsncatsndawgs]

And the fact that most bodybuilders arent transparent with their steroid use leads any impressionable young people to think that if they just put in the hard work, they’ll look like that as well. There needs to be more transparency regarding steroid use from the most influential men, such as movie stars, and also awareness about the consequences they can have.

[@NiSE_Rafter]

There's a growing trend in admitting to it and talking about the downsides alongside accessible accurate information rather than just broscience "it's safe if you..." Unfortunately many still pretend to be natty, but at least some progress is better than none.

[@misterx6276]

Doing fatal drugs to look good is like drinking whiskey to improve your eyesight.

[@JLUX100]

Rhay is not rhe athletes fault . It's societies. The big problem is how they are stigmatizing them. This is why so many have have hide their use cause of the massive unjustified stigma around it that will make everyone loose sponsors and or get fired for use. Meanwhile hundreds of millions use or have used AAS and 98% live long healthy lives. The simple fact is we consume much more dangerous things to our health daily. AAS are literally just hormones and there is hardly any actual literature after 60+ years of use to prove they are remotely dangerous.

[@JLUX100]

Consequences hqhahahq 98% of steroid users live full healthy lives

[@hotsloleu]

'You add up every cannabis, coke, heroin user you would have twice as many steroid users' lmfao that couldn't be further from the truth.

[@joeesposito121]

Agreed

[@robertswafford4145]

Easily the most honest and informative report on steroids yet. Probably the only one with accurate information. Good on you Vice. You chose a perfect source.

[@gortroe2]

For most accurate information, see The Anabolic Doc on you tube.

[@JLUX100]

Hahaha clearly you're very uneducated on anything AAS then. This js far from. The best. You need to study the literature. The mechanisms of action involved in AAS use and the compounds themselves. Some biochemistry, biology, kinesiology.

[@robertswafford4145]

@@JLUX100 Clearly you are uneducated on the English language. My praise was for being a report not sensationalized with attention grabbing bullshit, not praising it for being some lexicon on steroid use or effects.

[@arosoman1]

‘I have witnessed first hand from a source, 5 guys standing in a line, being injected one by one with the same needle’ - I’m sorry, never happened…

[@cyurisich]

Yeah the expert seemed very credible except for that one line.

[@Blairwatchproject6780]

Did one cycle about 6 years ago . Test and a well known oral steroid . Got mad results and kept it all , around 15 lbs of lean tissue. If used conservatively and not taken indefinitely , it’s almost like drinking alcohol. I would do again but they are extremely addictive and that was the only thing that made me stop . When you get older your priorities change and you no longer have a reason to use

[@hulk6932]

Yeah mate i also used testosterone 2 years back mad results but acne,s all over my face 😶

[@MS-tc2fs]

A relative of mine used it for 3+ years on and off (likely got it from China or Russia- unsure). He got full blown schizophrenia and has had it for 6 years now. Assuming it’s from contaminants within the doses.

[@emilegriffith1473]

Sounds like something a lot more serious and unrelated to anabolic steroids

[@bakeraus]

This "When you get older your priorities change and you no longer have a reason to use" so imporant to remember. When you age your priorities change and you get more comfortable in your own skin and who you are as a person.

[@Blairwatchproject6780]

@That V8 Life did I say I was talking about myself ? I’m saying in general as one gets older. Unfortunately for rich he got stuck into the cycle

[@haychwhy6475]

So where can I get some... Asking for a friend 👀

[@getsetbrah8798]

Prestige pharma

[@a-starmalone1662]

@@getsetbrah8798 was just going to comment the same. They're legit

[@smiffyking5944]

Is it the prestige Pharma UK site?

[@getsetbrah8798]

@@smiffyking5944 yh bro

[@smiffyking5944]

Thanks. They ship to the US so I'm good to go 😁

[@murrayer5426]

2:00 she's actually wrong about that. Taking a moderate dose of testosterone for 8 weeks and not working out whatsoever elicits more lean muscle growth than a natural athlete doing intense weight training for the same amount of time. This has been demonstrated in several studies.

[@MicrophoneAssassin13]

2:16 - studies have indicated that only using steroids will cause the body to add lean muscle mass at a comparable rate to non-users who engage in resistance training.

[@umnachtet5229]

She is wrong about the "steroids alone won't give you results". Studies show that a moderate dose of testosterone (around 400mg) makes physically non-active users outperform dedicated weight lifters in regard to hypertrophy. Therefore, the problem with bodybuilding is that success within the sport is more bound to the actual hormonal situation your body is in than in any other sports as hypertrophy directly correlates with androgen levels in the body (in addition to other PED's like growth hormone, insulin, peptides etc.). This has lead to a situation where professionals in the sport pin themselves often more than 10x times a day (including gh and insulin) to maximise results.

[@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69]

That study is beutiful. The guys sitting on their ass taking roids gained 75% more lean mass over 12 weeks then the group working out 5 days a week without steroids. Its true that having that stage worthy physique requires tones of hardwork, nutrition, coaching ontop of the roids. But you steroids is "free" muscle growth

[@aesyamazeli8804]

What? Every sports depends on your body, and that includes the hormones. For example that woman that have XXY chromosomes so she have more test than other women thus she became the fastest runner.

[@trenaceandblackmetal5621]

Water weight is not muscle mass. None of those studies differentiate between contractile tissue and water weight gain (glycogen and water retention)

[@johnmoore1495]

The studies you’re referring to are true but the way in which you’re representing them is misleading. Most are very short term, thus long term growth isn’t shown, if you give a guy 500mg of testosterone have him not workout, then have a natural workout for a year, I would guarantee the guy who works out will get bigger by the end of the first year, and certainly by 2 years. If you don’t challenge the muscle it will eventually stop growing even with excess androgens.

[@stivelars8985]

However, 400 mg is not a modertate amount. But yes, it its a wonderdrug

[@nofox777]

I can't imagine someone sharing a needle that's in a fairly normal state of mind, some people have zero fear of health issues.

[@JLUX100]

Lmao that's a bullshit made up story .

[@charlesbetts8396]

Turning 40 in October. Lost my motivation through overseas injuries,and life's bullshit. Trt is going to change my life. Its going to change my life because I believe it will.

[@samoconnor863]

Oh it will! Best decision I’ve ever made!

[@alejandropollierte4023]

Be careful fam

[@ThyFilthyCasual]

The lady you interviewed had no clue what she was talking about 😂 steroids make you bigger. You get twice as big on steroids not working out than someone natural working out

[@frankiecrocker]

I've been lifting since I was 14 back in the mid 70s. One thing she got wrong is that steroids alone won't give you muscles it makes you work harder. No amount of lifting will give you that type of physique without steroids.

[@melanindread]

She said that

[@frankiecrocker]

@@melanindread I said that's what she got wrong. Taking anabolic steroids will give you muscles and even more when you train. I said no amount of lifting without steroids will give you that kind of body.

[@yourfrenghost3028]

steroids actually increase myostatin levels so u would diff need to go to the gym and lift weight even with roids (roids dont increase myostatin but ur body increases it due to having high anabolic drugs in the system)

[@mrpablomx]

Weren’t steroids actually designed to help Terminal Patients add some Muscle Mass and Weight?

[@yourfrenghost3028]

@@mrpablomx germany and ww2, thy gave german soldiers diananbol as a super soldier serum, but rn as u said, they work like this

[@owenthomas5876]

i worked on the roads all my life since i was a young man. i never worked out in any form other than the manual labour i did in work. i was always about 11st to 12st max. i went to the pub dinnertime and straight from work every day (sometimes a can before work to cure the shakes lol). sometimes there would be a steroid user turn up for work all jacked up with their big tub of tuna pasta etc. they would instantly want everyone to see how strong they were by picking up something that we would usually have 2 to carry. they wouldnt last more than a few days on the shovel or concrete and would leave humbled. i would feel sorry for them in the end, its really sad

[@PHlophe]

Own, you were probably bleessed with a good physique in the first place . some of us have to work years and years to get a decent body . thuna is delicious though but with pasta ? yuck

[@bradybrapples]

functional strength almost always outperforms the guys who are obsessed with appearance

[@Drocks0]

@@bradybrapples tell that to Ronnie Coleman, YEAHHHH BUDDY LIGHTWEIGHT

[@bradybrapples]

@@Drocks0 theres a reason heavyweight boxing/mma champions don't look like ol' ronnie. Past a certain point too much muscle mass decreases your speed, flexibility and endurance. Not to mention his bones, joints and ligaments would need to be trained and conditioned to transfer that power effectively & efficiently not to mention the likelihood of weak knees and other side effects from the roids, poor cardio by comparison to a balanced fighter, etc.

[@ThePainkiller9995]

@@bradybrapples "functional strength" is not a thing, strength is strength. What you're talking about is endurance which obviously bodybuilders likely won't train

[@humanspoder777]

The idea of steroid usage being a cultural reference to when more men did physical labor is really interesting, I've never thought about that.

[@justalittletrt4670]

I’ve been on trt for 6 years because my testosterone is low because I have to Lesions on my brain from multiple sclerosis. If done correctly and monitored it could be a life changer for most men suffering with these type of issues. I was originally prescribed through an endocrinologist which wanted me to stop so I started to self prescribed. I only take 150 mg a week

[@nufh]

No point if you skip leg day.

[@colbyzero4678]

I don’t automatically respect people just because they are upfront about it. Just because you’re upfront doesn’t mean your not promoting drug use. It’s like being an alcoholic but you’re self-aware about it. Either way, you’re still an alcoholic.

[@MrBreakingbad]

Exactly. Being upfront about it doesn't make one anything special. It just means you're not a lying scumbag.

[@tainanking]

@@MrBreakingbad doesn’t matter if you’re lying or not. Using this kind of garbage just makes that person garbage too. It’s def not necessary. And if the addiction of training and bodybuilding got someone that far then they are doing it for the wrong reasons lol

[@jbone9900]

@@tainanking use them isn't evil as long as your not selling most people don't have good genes it's a fact.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

@@tainanking How are you "garbage" if you are the only one consuming a ( potentially) harmful substance ?? How is that any of your business ? I'll never understand how self-harm aff3cts one's moral standing in some people's eyes! Same goes for weed, tobacco and booze! Whst do you care?? Hell, even literal suicide does not affect you in any way (unless it's your family member) .

[@tainanking]

@@Danko_Sekulic yes it’s not my business but this video is my business.

[@mfranko1000]

Great video. One point that was made about steroids, in the beginning, isn't actually true. While many anabolic drugs certainly help you workout harder and recover quicker, many of these substances will make you more muscular without any resistance training. Obviously not to the same degree, but still to a significant, measurable extent. Depending on the dosage, multiple studies have found that, if given enough of an anabolic substance, non-resistance training groups grow more muscle in the short term than drug-free resistance training groups. Similar to how a teenager can often gain some muscle merely because they are going through adolescence and have increased androgenic hormones in their system.

[@Cysticspyke]

Thank you for pointing this out. I was thinking the same thing when I heard it. And unfortunately a seemingly small mistake like this, very much undermines the credibility of this video.

[@treyjetson5320]

THANK YOU that woman was driving me crazy saying they wouldnt do anything when there has literally been a study proving they make you gain muscle more even if you dont workout. She doesnt seem to actually know that much about the topic.

[@dinsel9691]

@2:10 How can this so called expert not know that steroid use grows muscle quicker on an individual who does NOT train than a person who trains but does NOT use steroids. There are literal studies on this.

[@kevinguy1499]

We need more people like Dorian Yates who call out steroid abuse like it is.

[@steroidsR4losers]

We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind! ROIDERS are FAKES! Stay natural buddy!

[@liamconverse8950]

Uhh he's pretty much the poster boy for steroid abuse lol

[@comradecarabao9122]

​@@liamconverse8950I was thinking the same thing. 😆

[@SquizzMe]

In the end, we will always idolize whatever our ego desires. We like to long for perfection, because the self wants to be affirmed and the ego wants to be indulged.

[@eyedflea904]

The amount of different types of roids you can get online legally is insane

[@bryanbazilauskas8673]

Absolutely false what the researcher said about steroids only enabling you to “work out harder”.

[@WienerBrigadier]

If you add up every Vice video that made you worried, you'd have twice as many Vice videos as last week.

[@dharmafey]

This is so sad. I have a family member dying right now from the steroid abuse.

[@vasectomyfail442]

they're actually dying from covid, everyone dies from covid

[@Enlightened0ne]

Damn, may they recover well. I'm so sorry to hear that

[@richardfelsch6886]

May I ask how many people you know who are suffering from opioid abuse and it's affects? Without taking away from you or your family member, condolences...

[@BlackMamba-lt8oe]

all bad things must come to an end

[@trenaceandblackmetal5621]

lol

[@Max78912]

lady at the beginning has no idea what she's talking about, you will absolutely gain muscle mass going from natural to taking gear regardless of wether you lift or not, they don't just "allow you to train harder" they put your body in a state where building muscle is alot easier, and your hormones wont be affected by subpar lifestyle factors like they would for a natural which makes a big difference

[@mercedes.c63_audi.q8]

I have an idea - just go natural. I've been working out on/off for 20 years and I still hold my own with regards to strength and build. Essentially it's a lifestyle that you have to incorporate: eat healthy, push yourself safely, and evolve your workout so it doesn't seem routine!

[@MichaelSmith-yl6oo]

Alright Nancy Reagan. "Just say no" That worked soooo wel....

[@dustyoldhat]

There's a needle disposal box in the men's room of the commercial gym I go to - that says everything. But I don't understand why someone would shoot up in the gym lockerroom when they could just do it at home.

[@Fireclaws10]

They wanna do it just before they work out

[@philanderingwhitecollartra8281]

diabetics.. but generally they are very conscientious of their sharps disposal

[@derickyyy]

Most public restrooms have a needle disposal box for people with diabetes who inject insulin. So that’s plausible deniability.

[@alvin9020]

They buy the shots in the gym.

[@357-swagnumultramagax9]

But the best time is right before the workout for max pumps bro !!!

[@MrKFNeverGiveUp]

I know a chap that went crazy on steroids! He would have unhinged and aggressive mood-swings. He's okay now though, he just smokes the good herb. :)

[@annalieff-saxby568]

This also happened with my niece's husband. He started taking steroids and within a couple of weeks his entire personality changed and he became an aggressive, dangerous stranger. She had to take her son and flee the house. He's still taking steroids and she's got a divorce.

[@thereisnofinishline5773]

It's called roid rage, certain steroids effect mood more then others.

[@ianthescientist8827]

Testosterone can be better for you than cannabis considering your dose and why you're taking it.

[@ianthescientist8827]

@@thereisnofinishline5773 moreso dose, I take 300mg testosterone enathate a week and that won't cause rage for me but would for many people because my testosterone is low without taking it as a result of a brain tumor that if removed, my testosterone will actually be even lower.

[@khefrenka2348]

I had the misfortune of working with guys with roid rage. They were aggressive and violent.

[@jonathanzimmer6831]

Rich was a treasure in the body building world. Someone who told it straight. He would tell you the positives and negatives of juice, and he didn't try to sway you which way to go. He was one of my favorites. RIP

[@cnwil4594]

You are absolutely right my friend even when he knew that lifestyle could shorten your life expectancy and cause serious health problems. My God, to have that mindset is still very disturbing. Is body dysmorphia that common and serious?

[@jonathanzimmer6831]

@@cnwil4594 in the body building world it is. I only had a short run of about 3 years and during that time I felt that pressure too. I think it's a mix of the non stop improvement mindset the sport has, alongside being around peak athletic body types constantly. It's a tough grind that doesn't stop.

[@cnwil4594]

@@jonathanzimmer6831 I believe you, and I see this even in novice. I am a former athlete (football, baseball, and wrestling) and I know teammates who were absolutely obsessed with their physical presence. No one stays the same, as we all age and change. Unfortunately, their are people who believe they don't change. I still try to stay fit, and I only weight train 2 days out of a week, the other days are reserved for calisthenics, moderate cardio, and rest. Thank God I don't have an obsession with overtraining and use of any PEDs.

[@Plant_bae_tv]

Although almost everything he said about steroids and training in general was complete nonsense

[@jimmysimmons69]

He was a horrible example of the "fitness" industry. And to all those who idolized him.

[@gortroe2]

This was more of a social review of the problem. Should have focused as well on the serious side effects that most users--and physicians--are unaware of. For example, the fact that, by using steroids, men can inflict sometimes permanent damage on their natural hypogonadal system as the steroids shut down a man's natural testosterone production. In the US, Dr. Michael Scally and Dr.Thomas O'Connor (aka the Anabolic Doc) have written extensively about this, and anabolic steroids induced hypogonadism (ASIH) is now recognized by the Endocrine Society as a unique form of hypogonadism experienced by steroids users.

[@bobbytexas8974]

1:14 Says more people use steroids than marijuana then says 3 to 4 million Americans use steroids are you trying to say you that 3 to 4 million Americans use marijuana? I think that’s a tad low

[@felixroetzer]

The woman in 2:15 mentioned that nothing would happen from just taking steroids and not working out, which is complete nonsense. Steroids on its own have strong anabolic effects.

[@Charles-pf7zy]

I see you’ve seen that 20 week study too. The 17lbs “lean” mass was likely half water and half muscle. The muscle probably was gained within the first 12 weeks. I guarantee you if that patient never came off that dosage and didn’t train at all he wouldn’t build a pound more muscle. You can’t expect continual growth on the same roid dose without progressive overload.

[@Saltynutz333]

Depending on the ‘riot a perp takes not working out the perp will just add on fat/water weight (bloated) look.

[@ohyeapoppy8188]

I’m on my second month of coming off steroids completely and get off all my medication. I plan on getting back on but I felt like my body needed a few months. Then gonna just cruise at like 120mg for life

[@lokidiablos185]

Body dismorphia can also be related to anabolic steroid use...Insecurities, mental health and various other issues. But it can also help certain individuals if they know exactly what they're taking and dosages etc. Regulated along with weekly visits to a doctor/GP for checkups.

[@DaveSCameron]

The stead heads by ours are demanding a different entrance to their Needle Exchange Centre simply because they don't want to be associated with the OTHER injecting folks, times we live in becoming a little blurred ❤️🇬🇧

[@Native_ichthyology]

I watch coach greg, derek more plates more dates regularly.... I used to think very few people use them... Later found most guys in my gym.. (3rd cls home gym with slum area boys in india)... Who's not much financially strong.. Are on gear

[@BlackMamba-lt8oe]

only chuttads are on gear not all

[@nelsonth]

You can find Indian KZbinrs sharing their steroid cycles, including some very popular ones...

[@BlackMamba-lt8oe]

@@nelsonth name

[@Jed67]

False. The lady says “if you inject steroids and don’t go to the gym, nothing will happen”. They did a study where 2 groups of men were told to not do any type of physical activity and only one group received testosterone shots weekly. The group that didn’t receive any steroids didn’t gain any muscle in a 6 month period. The group that received steroids, packed on 4 lbs of lean muscle weight in those 6 months. Remember, both groups did no physical activity and only the group that received steroids gained 4 lbs of muscle.

[@Ianmundo]

The woman at the beginning says “steroids don’t make you bigger on their own”, actually studies showed that they do, even without training

[@Mr.Eminem]

They do 100%

[@BrandonGiordano]

I take a little bit of an offense to how she said that the motivators are different for gay males. It's sort of that stereotype that gay men can't have a masculine identity simply cuz of their zecual orientation. I think this whole video suffers from not having anyone familiar with it. I've seen people mention More Plates More Dates in the comments and I agree. Having someone more directly experienced in this would've been helpful

[@richardfelsch6886]

An excellent point of view. For example, I believe that someone who abuses opioid no matter what it's concentration, is a heiron addict. And that's just to say I agree that they don't necessarily have the right people covering the topic.

[@oloplyflapdar7384]

I would expect she carelessly misspoke (i hope) and was short on the nuance for video purposes.

[@BrandonGiordano]

@@oloplyflapdar7384 agreed. I'm sure she's well educated on the subject matter it just would've been nice if someone who was more directly experienced in this world was invited on. Nothing against her

[@iandimitrakopoulos3846]

Research suggests that gay males are less satisfied with their bodies due to idealised body cultural norms dominating the gay male community (still). I believe the “different motivators” mentioned do not refer to masculinity (every man regardless of sexual orientation can claim the privilege masculine role). As she mentions later in the video among other motivators one could be “acceptance” within the gay male community and the dominant ideals of body.

[@BrandonGiordano]

@@iandimitrakopoulos3846 I don't think this is in any way unique to the gay male community though. That's my point

[@swaggyjjalldayeveryday]

Does anyone know any influencers who are sponsored by steroid labs?? This video is poorly researched and literally is just interviewing 1 "expert" for the whole thing and tries to cover every single PED community in 1 video. These forums are from 5+ years ago when the internet was not as regulated as it is now, nice work on having up to date information vice! RIP Rich Piana, he died doing what he loved - a true inspiration

[@Marrow9000]

She knows some statistics but seems like a poorly informed and fish out of water "expert".

[@juancarlosnegron2358]

Saying a drug user is an inspiration is such a moral low point. Wow !

[@BlueLobster92]

If you ask someone if he/she is natty and they say they just have good genetics, that's a dig at you calling you inferior to them. Most of them that claim genetics are actually steroid users currently or have in the past to achieve the mass they have.

[@burhan8795]

So much misinformation. Steroids do have mascular effects even without exercise. Also steroids themselves don't causes liver problems. Only orally taken steroids do and thats because of the coating on the pills

[@poindextertunes]

“Steroids don’t make you better, they just allow you to train more… “ Every MLB fan: “RREEEEEEEEE” 🥴

[@edwinurena9768]

You can give steroids to a player who cant hit a beachball with a guitar. No matter how much he trains. When you suck you suck.

[@BlackMamba-lt8oe]

kid go watch disney channel 😂😂😂😂

[@poindextertunes]

@@BlackMamba-lt8oe wow you’re proud of that one huh?

[@BlackMamba-lt8oe]

@@poindextertunes yes pround of banging wife of steroids takers

[@KodiakWG]

Another hit, Barry Bonds

[@vietnamiscool2669]

People don’t understand that there are hundreds of steroids….back in the early 2000s ( when I was in my bodybuilding phase for like 16 years ) I saw all the options I had ….and I got scared and refused because I also have epilepsy. And I believe the steroids will somehow cause me seizures.

[@youngbyk8133]

woman at the start described steroids wrong lol

[@sumdude4281]

An eating disorder by another name. Societal pressure to look perfect. To have the perfect body. Guys face it too.

[@steroidsR4losers]

We see how FAKE these STEROID users REALLY are when they finally can't take their STEROIDS because they got ARRESTED/in PRISON or the doctors tell them to come off because of health PROBLEMS...there goes those FAKE STEROID muscles they been HIDING behind! ROIDERS are FAKES! Stay natural buddy!

[@jayraoanti-agency]

"If you just took steroids and don't go to the gym, nothing's going to happen" is complete nonsense because test levels literally determine things like muscle size and body leanness, what is this woman talking about (of course working out makes them grow further but test alone can for sure increase lean mass)

[@bobo-bx8yj]

yeah I struggled to keep listening after that such an obvious indicator she has no clue what shes going on about

[@Bestwick1983]

Jesus man. Stop being so overly literal. Can you really not tell from the context of the discussion that she's dispelling the myth that you get the sort of performance/physique associated with steroid use WITHOUT intensive training? Get your head out your ass.

[@johnmoore1495]

@Nero there’s multiple studies on this, they’re not all flawed as the one you’re referencing. Not to mention when anabolics were introduced into the market for medical use they were specifically made to keep and increase muscle mass and strength without working out. Another point is all you have to do is look at animal studies, they don’t train the mice and monkeys, yet they still grow. Yes it’s not magic, you won’t just gain 30lbs of muscle by doing nothing and taking gear, but you will achieve a higher homeostasis of muscle mass.

[@user-uq3vv8jp6t]

they all look minimum 10 years older then they are. i saw a 37 year old dude looke like 57.

[@Joltzzzzful]

She says at 1:19 that "If you jus take steroids and don't go to the gym nothing is going to happen" which is just not true, you will have muscle growth on steroids even if you do not work out. It will not be near as much as if you do work out, but studies have shown that steroids and no work-out can give you more muscle mass than no steroids and working out.

[@hugohom2280]

not true, muscles require a stimulus to grow

[@discgolflife]

And most of them are dead now!!!

[@EriktheRaids82D]

Sad state of academia when within the first 30 seconds of this video the "subject matter expert" states something empirically false. For the record, anabolics can put muscle on you without working out. There's a ton of info out there with regards to this very issue. I know these gear heads wanna believe that it's their hard work and genetics that got them there but, it's not. It's the mass amounts of synthetic androgens that they're jamming in their glutes weekly. The biggest lie these guys tell is, "steroids only help you workout more". Biggest BS I've ever heard. Y'all just admit that you're synthetic. All good. Go grab some of that synthol too because we all know your delt game is weak without it.

[@drizzledrudger2745]

I stopped watching at this point. What credibility could she possibly have after a statement like that.

[@retromec4757]

androgens themselves don't build muscle outside of puberty and when they do its insignificant amounts of mass gain. Muscle gains always require stimulus, amino acid availability and rest.

[@562mjohnson]

Thank you. Once I heard her say that I was like, "Now that's the Vice I know."

[@562mjohnson]

Lol, once she got into the "conspiracy theories" I was like now that's really like Vice. Lol. Vice is globalist woke garbage.

[@nolowlo2i]

I was looking for this comment. It really threw me off when she said that and made me question how much she actually understands steroids. You can quite literally take steroids and do nothing and still outperform natural weightlifters.

[@alex9046]

so the big steroid expert literally said steroids by themselves dont make you bigger

[@info9lives850]

"If you just took steroids and didn't go to the gym, nothings going to happen " What kind of expert is this ? It is a known fact that anabolic steroids make muscles grow even without training...