HOW WE PLAY CASUAL EDH - THE PLAY TO WIN PODCAST

Dylan and Cam discuss how they build Casual EDH decks and talk about a few of their current Commander decks
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[@caterinagerbasi1594]

its so funny that you guys get to the spirit of casual commander waaaay more than most casual commander content creators.

[@BrewsAndBruised]

Joey Schultz has a ‘Commander’ commander deck using almost exclusively cards that say commander on them and it looks like a lot of fun to play casually.

[@romanshibilski7093]

What’s the title of his video? That sounds cool

[@JohnSmith-gr1il]

@@romanshibilski7093 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJSXo3Rojbamj5I Risky click of the day. He limits himself by only using cards that say commander. So he basically has no ramp.

[@Abbeb0]

😊😊😊

[@Y0kAiS]

I’m glad you guys are talking about this. A lot of players find inspiration from competitive players.

[@wyatt5450]

I see Dylan and Cam, I click. Also first.

[@TCG9777]

Do you also watch Iron Man for Tony Stark? Or drink water to stay alive?

[@wyatt5450]

I might be cutting the rocks in Jetmir for enchantments since the only few I run that are impactful is Sol Ring and Arcane Signet. I do run Hoof, Esper Sentinel, a few others that might've been on the list but for the most part, I don't like using infinites in that deck. I can win with just 7-9 creatures and that's enough for me. I also have two semi-fringe cEdh decks that I use for a more powered pod. I have a strong pod usually and that's how we play. I have two casual decks that are strong; partners Jeska and Ardenn and Brimaz, Blight of Oreskos but those are artifact-adjacent decks

[@wyatt5450]

@@TCG9777 I listen to Metallica for War Machine and drink beer because yeast is good since it's in bread.

[@Bearvas]

*clicks with tongue* Noice!❤

[@starchaser6024]

“The plants can tell what color shirt I’m wearing.. ?” The exact tone we all use with that one friend who’s bought 1 too many crystals 😂

[@primeshifter1699]

I'm a dog lover and that is such a good dog. You're just waving your arms in his face touching his face and he's just chill good boy or girl

[@primeshifter1699]

He or she loves you

[@healthylife1499]

I love her!!!

[@zacharyklewin3603]

The dog's eyes were following his hand like "um, perhaps you could be petting me with that hand?"

[@bulbasaurappreciator]

Glad you guys are bringing up the errata of the number of syllables in Overgrown Tomb, many channels are afraid to talk about this

[@TCG9777]

We've heard snippets on how these guys play theur version of casual and now we finally get all the fine deets

[@austinvonjohnson9307]

I’m 7 minutes in and am already feeling so validated. 100% of this is how I feel about casual commander and the cards I choose to play.

[@joliveira520]

Totally agree with the change in perspective after playing cEDH and then going back to more casual games. Found that our group has a lot less salt now especially when people are being interacted with.

[@joshholmes1372]

Makes sense, especially if you are putting limitations or playing around the same power decks. Salt mostly comes from people running shit just below CEDH vs an upgraded precon lvl deck lol.

[@Theorak]

Having 40 decks along the whole power scale (only 3 cEDH) gives me the flexibility to play with most playgroups and have fun. Be mindful with some casual terms: Rule 0 Talk is intending to bend or extend the MTG rules (play un-Magic, or unofficial partners) and Pre-Game Talk is everything else, about intention about your deck and expectations for the game. You are right on the money, also having deck that embrace inconsistency and some decks that win different ways is more important in casual, we want that diversity.

[@Nick-rc2lr]

I'm so happy I found your channel. Hands down best competitive EDH channel out there. Love you guys! Wishing you all the best.

[@jtcasey1316]

Your podcasts are always so interesting to listen to! It’s so nice to see such great friends and y’all’s chemistry with each other. Keep up the great content!

[@q2kfallen464]

Love all of the podcast content and endless bantering. You guys give great points on magic subjects. Please don't stop what you do, also needs more Tyler. :P

[@morganmchenry325]

I think we need the pheonix deck list too... that sounds sweet!

[@DexterityYTC]

My preferred EDH is what we call “high power”. We play as optimal as we can without ever crossing over into just cEDH lists. For us it’s about taking a theme and maximizing it. Our decks can hang with cEDH pods, but the likelihood of winning in them is very, very slim.

[@voidprism_studios666]

Same. I still like slotting more higher mana value cards, 2 card combos and less fast mana rocks which I think is the fine line between higher power and cedh

[@Xerxaxify]

I would love too see some casual commander videos! I love building theamed decks

[@leorpaley3070]

Your chemistry in this video is incredible. Really nice to see two sweet guys and best friends nerding out together. Lots of amazing moments and laughs here.

[@tonyvillalta4487]

Love watching you guys! Just ordered a playmat and sleeves to support 💪🏼

[@qifa005]

Yes please! would love to see more casual commander in the channel.

[@MattEvansable]

Love this episode!! I have a tymna//akiri equipment deck that gets a lot of looks when I first pull it out but it's literally just ladies with swords and only wins through combat... It's an absolute blast to play and makes tymna actually feel casual for once

[@imFamist]

I have never played cedh and don't really plan to, but I love watching your videos about it. I would love to see a conversation between you two and @edhdeckbuilding about casual edh!

[@vauk5081]

I really like your guys view on casual. It's very positive and sounds fun to play against.

[@gypsieking3280]

This is a delightful perspective on casual from a duo of competitive players.

[@colinstaub455]

I was considering doing an all saga Tom Bombadil deck but I already have a handful of 5 color decks. Love these videos!

[@adamfisher7099]

This is a great topic to cover. I know our play group has struggled to define what is considered too powerful for "casual." Thanks for the chat!

[@carettcake8752]

I love that you guys still play casual

[@gazza4589]

This was a great episode! As a more casual commander player I thoroughly enjoyed listening to how you guys limited yourselves when it comes to casual. I personally have some stronger decks and weaker decks. I don’t have any high power cEDH decks, so I make strong casual decks that I play occasionally depending on the playgroup. My decks all usually have themes so that I have a good variety of what I can do. I’m going to name what I consider my strongest to weakest and their themes for those interested. Zndrsplt/Okaun (coin flip) Yuriko (ninjas) Aesi (landfall) Prosper (treasures) Neyali (Tokens) Miirym (Dragons) Octavia (spell slinger) Slimefoot and Squee (recursion/selfmill) Council of Four (draw/‘stax’) Shanid (legendaries) Roon (etb/flicker) Elenda (vampires) Alena and Halan Partner Commanders (gruul Stompy) Mishra (old boarders only) Szarekh (precon to play with other new players) My next deck is probably going to be Sauron, the Dark Lord which will of course be about being tempted by the ring. Very excited!!!

[@juiced8802]

I am SOOOO HYPED that they quoted ITYSL. Love it

[@krenkoboi23]

Another friday morning commute to work, another banger ep of PTW

[@jokersjacket3174]

My favorite theme I've done for one of my oldest casual decks is Scion of the Ur-dragon with The 13th Warrior as the theme. It's my way of remembering my grandfather.

[@schonelloww.3279]

I like ur idea to talk about casual edh. Hope u create some more decks in this format! :))) love ur passion

[@schonelloww.3279]

Espacially a planeswalker deck :D

[@nickrossi5992]

Love this. One thing I’ll do is build competitive/groan-inducing commanders but build them off the usual theme, like my Derevi Voltron deck or Tymna & Vial Smasher Legends/Reanimator deck

[@K1aymor]

Building a Yargle Multani deck atm. Looking at you, Dylan ;) Minus a pathbreaker and a Silvala, I had so much of it. It was cool.

[@ThePossibilityStorm]

18:08 "good job" in response to Dylan's sneeze. I agree, we don't say "bless you" in my house, we say "Godzilla" because it's non-denominational. Great show as always boys.

[@squeakyhadez3022]

Omg omg Dylan’s comment “ it’s the deck not the wallet “ is a statement I build decks by , and it’s a reason I am trying to get into Cedh I just can’t pick a deck to build , also love love love you guys please keep puttingkout awesome videos :)

[@ryanblake7114]

i've been wanting to make an army deck for a long time, so the new commander deck sauron is right up my alley.

[@elahem6940]

I'd love to see some more casual gameplay on the channel!

[@jamesmooney6472]

I think proxies are okay in casual, more so if you actually have the card and it's in another deck, for example I have a shadowspear in my modern deck, but I don't want to buy another if I want to play an equipment casual deck

[@froggystrap1232]

No one should care about proxies

[@michaelchristensen925]

The only clear line that makes sense to me when defining casual EDH is that if a deck isn’t viable at a cEDH table it’s casual, regardless of what specific cards they’re running or if there are combos or not. There’s obviously a massive range of power within that umbrella, (and cEDH viability itself is a fuzzy notion) but that’s why it’s nice when everyone has a couple decks so that if a casual pod is super lopsided in a first game people can adjust to whatever power level will be more fun for everyone at the table in subsequent games. As a result I generally find rule 0 conversations far more productive after the first game than before. There’s no such thing as a “power 7” deck in a vacuum but it’s not too bad to calibrate power levels in a random pod once you’ve actually seen 4 players’ decks in action, unless one player’s weakest deck outclasses another’s strongest in which case you can do a deck swap or find a different pod. In general I think there’s way too much handwringing on the topic and most efforts to create universal rules of thumb just aren’t that helpful once you progress past the idea that bringing a tuned Blue Farm list to a table of people wanting to play casual isn’t a good approach.

[@MufasaTheMan]

You touched on exactly how I like to have the "Power Level" discussion in causal. I've changed to "what is your deck trying to do?" If they say "win" I know its higher power level, but if they say "make a Rube Goldberg machine to make a bunch of clues and see what happens" I'm not gonna bust out my most tuned effecient deck, I'll play my Heavy Metal themed deck instead. ALOT less salt.

[@jackpabich763]

Always love the content!

[@spec2k5]

Thanks for the episode. I recently(last winter) started to build casual decks based on a budget limitation (25 euro) over time playing sometimes i do break the bank for some upgrades but in general the deck stays the same. I love to build on this limitation since it enables me to build a strong deck but it stays in check because of the budget. Also i do love convoluted combos which i will regularly include in my decks. But mostly not efficient. And i am looking forward to build a Sauron doors deck every card needs a door in the artwork. Its a meme like no matter how many doors you have Sauron has Mordor ;-)

[@JuicyEndeavor]

I resonate with your thoughts on casuals. If I played more cEDH I believe i would fall in line running less of the staples. I personally like to use more powerful engines for fun and interesting wins. (I run a Darretti deck that uses MAgistrates scepter for infinite turns. it tends to take upwards of 20 permanents to combo off with) Wonderful episode.

[@uniquebench1312]

This video definitely gets a like for the amazing dogs present in both cameras

[@xonerex7501]

Dockside is fine in casual games. It'll usually generate 5 treasures or so and help to ramp out a big casual threat. Casual decks arent built to abuse docksides ETB repeatedly

[@dakotasanford5570]

Also great channel to litsen to while recovering from eye surgery. Keep it up!!

[@floridaman6982]

Another funny thing is many cedh cards only really function in thier own power level. Something like a stax piece that stops extra draws doesnt hurt a mid power deck. Also if were not 4 players dumping a hand of artifacts dockside only makes a couple of treasures

[@AMerexican787]

Love my Glissa deck, Salvaging Station is just so much fun.

[@DavidRoberts-gc6md]

I’d say Dockside scales with the power level of the table really well. In cedh he can easily make 5+ treasures early in the game. In casual I’ve had games where he’s a dead card in hand because everyone is playing rampant growth instead of rocks

[@voluntarism335]

no, there are many casual games where dockside will net you lots of mana, you cannot cherry pick games then say dockside is bad and is fine in casual games

[@nicklance4788]

Love love love my wilhelt deck. I probably run a similar wilhelt that you do, because it’s all zombies and zombies matter. Like there’s times where people think I’ll have a counterspell or something like that and I’m like “you think zombies are countering spells, my guy?”

[@Putrefax]

Building around themes is fun, as is building around suboptimal commanders. I've recently tried to build around weird goofy card effects or specific interactions for casual commander. So i took Opalescence / Starfield of Nyx which turns my enchantments into creatures and beating people to death with them. First iteration of the deck was Ghen, Arcanum Weaver because he let me cheat out phat enchantments, but the problem was finding enough sac fodder to reliably get back what you wanted. So i started experimenting with the red cards that would make token copies of creatures, like Flameshadow Conjuring and Mirror March, which would give me token enchantments to use. It was fun, but Mardu is really rough to ramp with when you've got such a goofy and mana hungry theme. Then Go-Shintai of Life's Origin got spoiled, which let me add green for proper ramp and fixing, and blue for actual enchantment clones. Got a couple of the token doublers which do decent work with the shrine tokens (even though there's only like 3 shrines in the deck), but do so much work with the blue spells that make token copies of 'target permanent'. Like big dumb enchantments like Fiery Emancipation or Wound Reflection or Mirari's Wake. You haven't lived until you've punched a table to death with 10 attacking Fiery Emancipations man.

[@mikelrocks13]

This is a super cool topic! I hope you revisit this at some point to see if you have anything new or cool you are working on. Also I lost it at the complaint that orcish bowmasters doesn't have reach.

[@ronmcguire9045]

Thank you for the “I Think You Should Leave” reference 🤣

[@oddball_covers]

Couldn't agree more with 11:20. Honestly i might cut sol ring from my decks

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Let us know if you like it!

[@ChrisDavis-tt1dj]

18:08 Dylan sneezes on the dog and he doesn’t even flinch. Dog is gangsta 😎

[@Jrocknrolla]

Gotta admit... that dog looks like he's in heavan. :) (The podcast was, as always great too). :)

[@benjaromis1]

definitely bring more causal...i just like ur guys energy together too much and I am more into casual atm. best from Berlin

[@vladsergref]

I spent most of the video softly disagreeing with Dylan, then Cam pulled out "oranges have shells" and i realized i might be on the wrong side of history Also, personally, would absolutely love to see some casual edh content!

[@GreenNightlight]

Dylan talked about plants being sentient and an ad for beyond chicken nuggets played immediately 🤣🤣

[@harisghayas3681]

27:14 greatest quote I have ever heard regarding Magic

[@MattEvansable]

I love your little dog Dylan!!!

[@dakotasanford5570]

One of my favorite decks i own is my casual Jasmine, Boreal of the Seven as a Vanilla Anthems deck

[@HamburgerTime_]

I agree that the most powerful cards are still fine in casual if they're on theme. I run Dockside Extortionist and formerly Hullbreacher in my pirate deck and got no complaints.

[@hellproof2379]

The chemistry between you too is as good as the synergy of cat oven combo

[@eorlikm681]

I actually do play Demonic Consultation casually; Which I know that’s practically an oxymoron. However, a lot of cards -such as even Ad Nauseum - become a whole lot more casual friendly when you DONT change the deck around the card. Instead of using vampiric tutor, demonic tutor, or any of the other ones, I find Demonic Consultation to be far more humorous. If it isn’t the win-con, it’s just a dumb fun gambling card!

[@MoikHorst]

in our playgroup we built extra casual decks and cedh decks. we always talk about what we want to play. we also have casual decks with infinite combos, but we don't have blatant tutors or fastmana in the deck. in other words, casual games can sometimes last 2-3 hours and cedh is dangerous from turn 1 onwards😅

[@sylorknag]

Really good discussion. The mata in my city could somewhat be considered cedh from that perspective. Ofc people aren't running around with moxes and crypts what such, but everyone is for the most part, playing really optimized decks without even noticing. Putting this video next to the one in which you guys talk about which commander can be cEdh, and how it gets down to the mentality of the player, not so much the deck, I would definitely say my community has a cedh mentality. Now if you excuse me, I'm about to get chase down by an angry mob cause I'm going to suggest taking out soul ring out of our "supposedly casual" decks.

[@Bearvas]

I think this is such an interesting episode. I am only ten minutes in and I see where these to gentlemen are coming from. In my playgroup though most people build decks and commanders on another level. So one of my friends doesn't like cEDH at all. He doesn't hate it, but he does not want to invest his cardboard or time into playing the format at it's highest ceiling. But he also owns like three Vamp Tutors, Mana Drains, Forces, etc. And he plays them in his casual decks. Split evenly so all of them have an about euqal power level. But he is usually interested in Commanders that look deceptively good. So as a result we started to meta game in our casual playgroup. And push card quality to a level of: Is it the cheapest possible card that gives me the exact effect I need, while also using kind of a blueprint in how we build decks. To clarify that statement: That includes cards that are relevant for your gameplan, not generally played cards like counterspells, removal or card draw, even though these cards are also slightly affected by that. For example I love to play Disallow, where I used to play Cancel. Or you choose to play Pollenbright Druid over something like Bloom Hulk. You can play Tutors that are low mana cost if you lack a high densitiy of those cards. They then become like these very specific copies of engine cards. If I have three copies of a specific card, I am less likely to play Tutors. Though thus is a very specific spikey thing we do. It is our form of playing high power casual. I say high power casual, because there is a certain competitve access to it, given that we still try to win the game, but don't play super stacked decks. They are just stacked. For example I usually play around 10 spells that in some way shape or form get me additional mana during or in the following turns, than I would have naturally produced (assuming I would hit a land drop every turn) =Ramp, but not all Ramp and sometimes not neccessarily ramp. Also about 10 Spells that interact with your opponents. Counter Spells, Hard or Soft Removal, but also including stax pieces or taxing effects if I wish to include them into my deck. Around 15 cards that add cards from somewhere other than your side of the field to your hand or that would give you more cards to play than the ones you allready have plus the one you would draw for your turn according with the ruleset of MtG. About 20 Cards that represent your actual gameplay engine. Combos, Token Generators etc. And about 10 cards that represent a pool of highly synergistic utility cards. Could be literally anything, but is usually not hard removal, ramp, card draw or gameplan pieces as I tried to very specificly list above. Even though they can be! And around 35 Lands. Now all of these are usually rough estimates. And all of these numbers should be ajusted depending on the gameplan you want to follow. Your specific Commander and how hard it is to stick to the battlefield, as well as into which of these 5 categories (excluding lands here) you want to lean into. It's a little bit whishy-whashy on the explanation, since some decks play like 8 removal Spells and 20 Ramp Spells. But as a rule of thumb, your Commander Deck is usually fine if you respect these ratios by playing at least half of the amount of cards listed in every non-land category, up to slightly above double that amount. For Ramp, I do not suggest playing less than 8 Ramp Spells and probably not less than 8 Removal Spells either, but both categorys can shoot up to around 22 cards per category if neccessary. A big deck building advice is also: During deck construction, be clear what you want your spells to do primarily. For example you have a Mystic Confluence. Is it a draw spell? Do you intend to mainly use it to draw cards and it has the upside of being a counter spell and removal. Or is it the other way around. Place the card into the according piles and adjust them later if you feel like the card is performing sub-par in that category.

[@Bearvas]

One final remark to an allready exstensive comment: You can allways adjust these ratios to what suits your playstyle, your Commander the most! If I play an aggro deck, I want to have around 8-12 removal spells and about 16-20 card draw effects (reffering to the category I mentionend allready) to stabilize faster after board wipes. Now that means I probably have less utility (around 2-6 cards maybe, if I need any at all) and the minimum amount of ramp of 8-10 cards. But that also demands I play significantly more spells that cost 3 mana or below in my engine pile, than 4 mana or higher. If I play the midrange deck, I will do the opposite. I will cut card draw and removal for ramp. Since my main engine pieces will allready have big advantageous effects strapped onto them. If I play the control Deck I will need to maximize my removal and cut deep into my engine plan around 12-18 cards depending on what my big control finishers do in addition to that. I will also consider needing to allways hit mana every turn (at least one) so I'll be playing about 12 ramp spells. And this time, I will allso consider playing up to 10 utility spells. And if I choose combo. Minimize every category that is not Ramp, Interaction and most importantly Card Draw. I will probably need to fit only 8-10 Engine Pieces, since that's all I need to win. I don't neccessarily need recursion, but I will prioritize it when choosing my utility packages. So different playstyles have different needs. Look at your Commander evaluate what it does for it's mana cost and build around that idea. Your decks will not neccesarily be able to win a cEDH game or even keep up with the explosiveness, but you will, as the 75% rule promises, allways be able to play a somewhat even, interactive casual game. You don't need to stop your opponents from ramping, unless that's literally the main plan for them to win the game (snowballing). You don't need to take away all their pieces, you just need to hit the most important ones. Because there will be pieces that won't stop you from winning the game or cause you to straight up lose. Here some advice on what cards to include: Play around 6-9 basic lands. They come untapped. There is no excuse for you to play a tap land over a basic land, when you have access to literal 6 Fetch Lands that get basic lands tapped onto the battlefield. Go thin that deck! Allways include a piece of Graveyard Hate (Bojuka Bogs, Soul-Guide Lanterns, etc are most advantageous) Allways include at least one board wipe. Yes!! Even if you are the aggro deck. There will be a time, where you have to rebuild, someone else is faster because they have so much more cards than you, pay em back. It is usually more neckbreaking for them. That's also why you want so much more card advantage than the control deck. Think of tempo decks from eras gone by like UB Faeries. Also if you play Terror of the Peaks: that is also a board wipe. Even though it usually wipes the board of your opponents. Same goes to Torment of Hailfire. That's your finisher with the upside of being a board wipe if you need it to be. Allways play land hate. Just put that juicy Field of Ruin into your deck. You are playing basic lands allready. We have established that. Thus it is the best casual Fetch Land you will ever get, because it kills that reliquary tower! Or that Emeria. Or whatever other utility land your opponents have, that make it so much more convinient for them to play the game. Ghost Quarter is good too, if you need the extra leverage in your control deck. OR if you don't want to Ramp two of your opponents. Also nice: Ghost Quarter can fix your colors if you need it to, but only if you play Basic Lands. Happens some times. Allways include a back-up plan, that does not interfere with your gameplan, and that doesn't need the same pieces as your main gameplan. Most of the times, big stompy decks die, because they don't get creatures on board. Play Torment of Hailfire, you probably have 20 mana allready. You play Storm? Allways have the option to pull off a lab man or a comet storm. You play graveyard shennanigans: put a combo finisher into your deck or start stealing your opponents stuff instead. And last but not least: If you play Stax, don't ever play pieces that hurt yourself. Cat Jesus is a super cool card. He is never going to be good unless you literally have no way of searching your library. And oh boy! A lot of people play Field of Ruin.

[@MrThetruthhurts]

“A small step for mankind.” Holds up just fine. 😂😂😂

[@shepardcd]

I like sol ring in casual only because it's a nice treat to get to have the slightly more explosive game every now and then. I have a very casual pirate deck with Malcolm and Dargo as partners, but no dockside, no ragavan, no tutors. It's all pirate themed, even down to fiery cannonade in the deck. Glint-horn is in there and lightning-rig crew+ freed from the real. Probably chopping glint-horn though.

[@voluntarism335]

It's a slippery slope where you're going to start justify running every mana positive rock that is mana value 2 or less in the game, the 1 game you shoot off ahead with your sol ring can make it a lopsided game in your favour.

[@markscruggs8346]

When I still played casual, may play group still ran most of the tutors, esper Sentinel, rhystics, etc. Just not the Thassa's Oracle and fast mana, unless it was like a mox Amber the pulled in a pack years ago or something

[@razzlefrazzle69]

I would love to see some more causal gameplay on the channel

[@imanujakku]

That phoenix not phoenix deck sounds great! My personal casual rules are no off color fetches, no OG duals, no zero mana fast mana (sol ring and vault are ok). On theme tutors ie vampiric tutor in a vampire deck or the party tutor in the party deck. Dockside only in goblin or pirate decks. The cards im on the fence about still including in my casual decks are skullclamp, ashnod/phyrexian altars and purphorous god of the forge.

[@dallaszipperer7229]

Flip flops and socks are the drip, Cam, don't let those plants tell you otherwise

[@maggiek8616]

This was a really interesting video to watch, seeing some awesome cedh players' interpretations and self imposed restrictions when going to casual edh! Did you consider getting Tyler to join and provide his insight as well? This question might be more aimed at you Dylan, but have either of you thought about Companions as another way to make things even more fun and refreshing? I have Lazav Dimir Mastermind with Gyruda Rivaz with Obosh Morophon with Kaheera. Perhaps it would make you feel more okay playing Mana Crypt if you can't play Odd cmcs, or Sol Ring if you can't even 😂.

[@CaptainKraw]

Def agree on Dockside, it gets stronger at higher levels. I run it in a few casual decks but I don't have a way to loop/ abuse it.

[@Revival_JamZ]

In defense of pirates as a Malcolm Breeches player, you can build them in different ways, the most "fun" are evasive players that let you create treasures and getting card advantage from Breeches, here Lightning Rig-Crew is your MVP (remember I once killed a 7 people table by exiling a Staff of Domination from the top of the library of one of my friends and Malcolm + Breeches were in play).

[@Highwang]

I think this would be an interesting topic to expand into in regards to two ideas: "The Hard Line between Comp vs Casual" which I think this vid kinda already did, but also "Pet Cards in cEDH." I'm mainly curious cause i have two decks that I consider comp but I wonder if they're not in the eyes of others due to the pet cards I use: Yusri basically gambles on Enter the Infinite of all things to enable Thassa's Oracle, and I have Tezzeret Master of the Bridge in my Tivit deck since I can just randomly have 30 clues and just nuke the board on 6 mana.

[@MrUnathletic]

Cam's Syrix deck sounds amazing, is there a list available anywhere? I don't see one in the link in the description

[@zaneearldufour]

I know you did something like this, but could you do a 2-parter going through the commander ballist and discussing the impact unbanning each card would have on cEDH? (skipping over the banned in vintage cards obvs) I think your opinions on the "separate banlist" would shift a lot when considering cards like Grisleybrand primetime Sylvan primordial Etc.

[@tfdrago]

You guys nailed it in the part about the "false success" that rhystic study and sol ring brings along in casual. The deck overperforms not because of its own build, but for all the gas that those cards put in the game. I've been playing without sol ring in a lot of decks, and well, 1 more precious slot right?

[@garrettm4909]

One thing that I do like to play in my casual black decks are tutors like wishclaw talisman and scheming symmetry. That way I still get a little bit of tutoring but can use it as a political tool to bring a twist to the game.

[@Loafbeef]

Neil Armstrong's famous quote ALREADY was for everyone, Man refers to "Mankind" not the gender/sex of an individual...

[@therealax6]

I wonder if you can build a deck full of CEDH cards (as in, staple cards of the CEDH subformat) that is definitely casual. It would undoubtedly be high-powered (CEDH cards have one thing in common: that they are strong cards), but missing the consistency and the combos, you might have a casual deck: for instance, Thassa's Oracle simply says scry 2 if you don't have a way to clear your library.

[@angelodegiule1753]

Sol and mox talismans are great casual cards

[@vitorsilveira2395]

Some inputs from my casual decks: I have a monoblack demon tribal with ob nixilis pw as a commander. As it is a DEMON tribal, it had to contain DEMONic tutor. Also, it has a weird "combo" with vilis and doom whisperer. I also have a monoblue sphinx tribal with Unesh as commander. The only really good sphinx is the consecrated. Also, a wierd combo is using rite of replication kicked on sphinx mindbreaker. Everybody mills 50 cards. As free counter spell, foil and misdirection are ok to use IMO.

[@TheRDRipley]

I like playing casual because I like playing the "bad" cards. I play budget and its fun to put it the 6cmc card that no way plays or the card that can tutor but only attack and only once per turn. Thats what makes magic fun for me

[@DamnJekyll]

Recently built a mono red new Urabrask storm list n I guess Underworld Breach is usually the straw that breaks that camels back .. 😅

[@francescoaccomando7781]

The only thing I don't like of casual EDH is that most of the time decks are not tuned and the pace is extremely slow and sometimes the games drag too long. We usually play on a Friday night in 4 players and in the span of 3 to 4 hours we can do 2 games. 2 hours a game sometimes is exhausting.

[@therealax6]

That sounds like just straight up jank. Not all casual decks are like that! You can raise the power level quite a fair bit without reaching cEDH levels.

[@francescoaccomando7781]

@@therealax6 assuming that people know how to tune them, and manage to keep them budget, yeah of course.

[@supermassivi1995]

Lots of things in common with since I started playing cEDH my casual decks got more casual. I use to play dockside alot, some tutors like Chord and Worldly Tutor and started cutting this cards from my casual decks I also use to play with proxys, most of cards I own but I use to play proxys of fetchs and all my decks have red and all of then use to have Dockside and Deflecting Swat. Now my casual decks don't have any proxys cuz I started using more budget and less optimal options and being having more fun playing casual

[@DeadPool-qk8nb]

I enjoy the podcast a little more then the game play

[@enoeht]

Just recently built Ravnica tribal using Niv Mizzet, Supreme. Every card has to be from a Ravnica set or feature Ravnica in some way. Deck is a blast.

[@lokumo13]

Esper I run in my Hamza deck because he gets huge lol. On theme point, I run Thoracle in my Kumena deck. It can win the game if I’ve drawn enough and have a high devotion, vut more often than not it is a body…

[@jarbasjunio1074]

About the Neil Armstrong quote at the begining, the "one small step for a man" its not problematic since he was talking about himself. Its the follow up "one giant leap for manking" (which does inclued everyone) that nowadays would be changed to humankind.

[@kamilwhaley-kalaora4839]

I’m thinking the new balrog could be a really cool commander. Sacrifice enough little things early you can get a 2 mana hasty 7 power almost unblockable creature :) plus you can make a bunch of token copies of him to trigger his death trigger and kill everyone’s creatures and artifacts. BTW I love casual and would absolutely love to see more of it on the channel as a nice break from the super streamlined CEDH games

[@fade2grey]

More Chill to Win please! :D

[@dustinjackson8270]

I play high power decks not fully tuned to cedh but doesn’t play key cards so dockside infinite loops are in my casual deck since my playgroups power level starts at 8 or around there

[@Trogdorbad]

Also, as far as themed decks go, maybe my favorite deck to build (and then look back over my card list) is my Elden Ring themed deck helmed by Athreos, Shroud-Veiled. It's an incredibly slow deck but it becomes a nuisance if it gets going, and there's just so much neat stuff to look at in the list and be like "oh yeah this is x thing from Elden Ring" My favorite deck is my Yasova Dragonclaw theft deck, but I feel a little bad about exactly one combo in it because it was an accidental inclusion lmao; I put in Kiki Jiki so i could make token copies of things I steal with Yasova (and i used to have Impact Tremors because he and Kiora's Follower makes for infinite etbs). I also added Zealous Conscripts, because it steals things, just like Yasova. I hadn't even remotely considered that I could target Kiki Jiki and go infinite with them until I stumbled across the combo online. Big oopsie but I don't think I can really bring myself to remove either card; I can't tutor into either of them so if I get the combo it's just luck of the draw so it probably balances out that way?

[@ganchyy]

the one small step had me laughing, there is an enby who feels represented here lol