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[@damien678]

Story 3: wait so the courts granted OP a restraining order against her legal husband but WON'T grant a divorce?

[@pansprayers]

It was a head pat. I can think of a dozen countries off of the top of my head that divorce is either not legal, or d@mn near impossible for a woman to file in. If he starts babbling about 'mediation', the furniture may as well have a voice, because it's more likely to be heard. Women filing for divorce in a semi-equal environment really is a more modern US/UK concept.

[@sierralovat5498]

You'd be surprised at how much man made governments hate women.

[@daniellediller5070]

@@sierralovat5498 no honey that doesn't surprise me it's disgusting but it's not surprising. We need more women in charge of making/ changing laws 🙄

[@Tamara-ju3lh]

Right? I'm really curious about the country.

[@pansprayers]

@@Tamara-ju3lh Israel (divorce isn't granted unless the husband consents, and then the rabbi will write up the decree, it's a HUGE issue there), Italy and Poland come directly to mind (it's 3 AM here, brain's a bit fried). Anywhere you see a huge religious influence on the laws/court systems, this is what happens. Divorce isn't even legal in the Philippines (although you can get the equivalent of an RO year after year, married is literally until death, one way or another). The larger world outside of the US/UK is still very male dominated, thanks to religion.

[@jackspring7709]

NTA. If I had been there when Karen shouted "Animals aren't kids!" I would have replied: "Well, you were a kid once, weren't you?!" She is the one who needs to be reported.

[@TsukiKageTora]

I would make it even more clear. “Humans are animals, darling” or say “huh, didn’t know animals were allowed to work, but you proved me wrong Karen”

[@rachaelclark8465]

Agreed. I have a handsome fur baby. I don't know what I would do without him.

[@Snipergoat1]

And people who speak of their pets as if they are children are annoying twats but I just do like most sane people do and roll my eyes and walk on.

[@itsjustmaddisen]

I would have said well “you’re supposed to be a person but you’re acting like an animal right now, so…”

[@carlrood4457]

In general, I agree with the sentiment, but this was a case of butting into someone else's conversation with an opinion that wasn't asked for.

[@owl7072]

Story 2: I really want to know why she didn't say anything? Like, she knows about the relationship being open and yet instead of defending her _husband_ she just let's him look like a horrible piece of shit in front of her whole family. "How dare you tell them!? Go sleep on the couch!" It was either he told them or he was labeled a cheater and treated like shit by YOUR family. Honey your family isn't shit in this situation, it's "damned if you do, damned if you don't" with them no matter what, and the fact that you'd rather throw your own husband to the wolves in order to save your own ass from them only to get pissed at him and essentially punish him for clearing the air is disgusting.

[@streamerssaymyname]

In a way half of her secret got out by the family, but her husband helped get her secret fully out and she and OP were taken by surprise so she likely didn't know how to react. We know OP likes going on dates but what does she do? Is she fully into this open relationship or not? Maybe she feels ashamed to be in an open relationship.

[@owl7072]

@@streamerssaymyname even if she was shocked or ashamed, she still should have done _something_ to help him, instead she just let them attack him then doubled down and got mad at him later even after she got over the initial shock. Their relationship has been open since they began dating, if she wasn't okay with it then she should have left while they were still only dating and weren't legally bound to each other. If she leaves now then they'll likely have to spend a _lot_ of money on lawyers and stuff.

[@DivaViews]

@@owl7072 I agree with your points here. She should have spoken up, she let them roll up on him like a pack of hyenas. And then had the gall to get mad at him and now HE(?) is on the couch. Right off the bat, I am not sleeping on a couch where I pay bills and have a bed! Second, he needs to have a serious sitdown with her regarding her silence and why she thought being mad at him is the appropriate response here.

[@wmdkitty]

Because it isn't an open relationship, he's just a cheater who coerced his wife into accepting his nasty habits.

[@simonO712]

@@wmdkitty And your reason for believing this is...?

[@sighthoundlady15]

What the hell country is this that the woman can have a restraint order against her husband but be denied a divorce?! This is the grossest thing of all.

[@pansprayers]

One that isn't the US/UK (or has laws that are at least based on them). It's sadly the rule more than the exception.

[@abbychaska6262]

I love the change of pace in the fired husband story with the company. Usually you hear the company say “I’m sick of this OP! You’re fired!” Where as OP’s company is like: “I’m sick of this OP! Here is the top family law attorney. Now go tear them a new butthole!”

[@charityquill4965]

An empathetic manager, or at the very least one with enough sense to realize that the shitty husband is the problem, not op, especially since the husband worked for a company that they contracted.

[@bethanntay]

Story 2 if you can't back up your husband, a open relationship is not for you.

[@AndyyWithAY]

Most people who have lost children are not going to be offended by someone referring to their beloved pets as their babies. And she was the one being insensitive. This very sweet woman was never able to have kids.

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

You don't know that. I would be offended. I know several women who can't have kids have gotten offended. Don't try to speak for others. Speak only for yourself and no one else.

[@streamerssaymyname]

@@manxiefeathermoon9888 but the lady is a person who could not have kids, she wasn't simply child free and calling her pets her babies, she likely suffered as many losses as other women who struggled with infertility and telling her that her coping would hurt women experiencing similar to her does nothing but hurt a woman who struggled with infertility.

[@tomeeshahaller4226]

@Manxie Feathermoon I'm actually a childfree woman who is in no way offended by people who call their pets fur babies. I actually call my cat my fur baby all the time. The person who made the original comment certainly didn't put words in my mouth.

[@GMAMEC]

My SO and I lost a son. My co-worker, trying to console me, told me that she lost her dog. I lost a pet and can tell you that it is not the same. While I understand that some people just don’t know what to say or do after a tragic loss, I try to educate individuals who believe that it’s acceptable to compare kids and pets. Now that my co-worker has a child, she would do anything to protect her son. There’s no way she would compare her son to her dog. With that being said, this Karen was out of line. It was obvious that the lady’s pets were her loving companions, especially for a sweet lonely widow. I also believe that the term “fur baby” isn’t an offensive term. I see it as a term of endearment, just like a “pet name”. It’s really about basic common sense, societal interpretations, and context.

[@analyticmoviereviews101]

I refer to my pets as my babies/kids. If someone finds that offensive? Well 🖕. Oh well. I won't have my own feelings invalidated over some snowflake being offended. If you're offended over something so pathetic as me describing my pets as my fur kids then, yeah; just don't talk to me. I'm not changing my way for someone with thin skin.

[@alr3764]

the fact you appreciate us more than that husband appreciated his wife

[@owl7072]

Story 3: Literally everything that happened is Richard's fault. _He_ was abusive, _he_ cheated, _he_ was the one who went into _Op's_ place of work, _he_ was the one demanding to see her even though he was told no, _he_ was the one that refused to leave and decided to risk calling the receptionist's bluff. Meanwhile OP _wasn't even in the room._ As far as he's aware, she wasn't even in the _building._ He literally did this to himself, so the friends and family saying Op got him fired out of spite have no leg to stand on because the receptionist literally said she wasn't there (I mean, she was but they don't know that and don't need to)

[@owl7072]

Story 4: lmfao "why should she get rewards for doing her job while I don't?" Your reward is getting _paid,_ all she wants is a _candy bar_ and you can't even do that. OP I'm gonna steal your wife.

[@philwill0123]

All i can say is, why didn't she just do mediation and just say mediation is unworkable because he has a mistress and a child. Then mediation would have to report back why mediation didnt work. Sounds like OP (apart from restraining order) buried her head in the sand.

[@TheArnaa]

Last story: My sister is 15 months older and my brother is 13 months younger. On Saturdays my dad used to pack us into the car and take us to the library or the swimming pool or a long drive. As children we just thought Saturday was dad time because he worked all week. As adults we realise we always went out because my dad was giving mother some space to herself away from three young children. OP’s wife isn’t asking for diamonds for crying out loud. At least he realised the error of his ways in the end

[@audreym3908]

That was very sweet of your dad. Was every Saturday or every other Saturday where it's more of a family thing?

[@TheArnaa]

@@audreym3908 it was mostly dad and the kids every Saturday. Sometimes we went to visit his sister. Once in awhile we’d go to the beach or on a picnic as a family. I think mother really needed the space to stay sane and my dad was just happy to have time with us. Edited to fix typo.

[@darkshadow5581]

I disagree. It sounds like OP very much does parent the kids when he's off work, it's just a difference of love language. As this is a new problem, and OP's love language seems to have not changed, I can only see it as the wife's changing love language causing fights. Mabye it's a hot take, but if you marry someone who you knew likes to spend their time off alone or with you rather than going out, I don't see how you starting a fight for not taking you out enough 2 years into a marriage is their fault?

[@carolroberts4614]

Oh yes, he stays with them while she cooks dinner! He must be worn out!

[@carolroberts4614]

And he gets weekends to do nothing in!

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

The nerve of that guy to knock up another woman and expect his wife to pay child support for his affair child. What the hell?

[@user-nb8tk6hh6x]

That literally happens to men all the time and many times they get jailed for not paying

[@anonymouslee2083]

Every man in the comments is going “oh my sweet summer child!”

[@MegaGinia]

Gotta love how dude back-pedaled and tried to say that he does “say thank you” to his wife, after he got torn a new one!

[@catandrobbyflores]

For real! All she wants is a freaking chocolate bar for God's sake!

[@Russman67]

I just listened to this story and in my head I was screaming "Nooooo!"

[@jjr9792]

Final story - Making the time or effort to show your spouse you love and appreciate them has nothing to do with their "job", and everything to do with how healthy you want your relationship to be. OP still doesn't seem to understand this despite all the YTA votes he received. Additionally, how the hell is it fair that both are "working" from home, but OP gets to relax on weekends, while his wife has to use hers to catch up on extra cleaning on top of her regular duties?

[@bigrdmp]

Honestly, this sounds incredibly like a double standard. She agrees to be the stay at home wife/mom and then expects him to go the extra mile. The dude clarified that he actively says thank you because everyone in the comments were making him look like he was a slave driver. His wife wanted this to be her job. He said "okay. That's fine with me." Now she's burnt out (and I totally get that) and wants him to do more things for her. I highly doubt she is doing 100% of the work at home. I'm sure he has some things that he takes care of, whether it be taking out the trash or whatever. I think he could definitely do more for her but at the same time, is she going to reciprocate? If the roles were reversed, and the guy was staying home while the woman worked, you'd all shut him down and say "she's working hard to provide for this family". Seriously. If you take away gender in this issue, the response really needs to be "both parties need to show more gratitude towards each other" not just for his wife. Sheesh. It's definitely no assholes here. She has the right to feel burnt out and want more appreciation but he said he appreciated what she was doing. Even before the edits, he said he understood how hard she worked too.

[@Uneclipsed]

I'm convinced these kinds of guys see women as f*ckble NPC's. All you have to do is select the right dialogue and input money to maintain the house he would have anyway and that's it. God forbid he show appreciation for someone he's supposed to love. Especially when all she's asking is for him to buy her favorite candy. I do that shit for my coworkers without them even asking. I'd go bigger for my wife.

[@kittylush7513]

On the last one, the guy is being shown appreciation. He doesn't do any chores and he gets hot meals. That's why he doesn't care he's TA because everything is done for him

[@tankerstankermen]

He also works hard to provide the money his wife shops with, your point?

[@dopaminedrought395]

He is used to being shown appreciation by default and doesn't understand how he should do the same thing for others. If he wasn't being shown any kind of appreciation at his job he wouldn't be happy with it, especially working wake up to sleep time + weekends.

[@tankerstankermen]

@@dopaminedrought395 he said that he does tell her thank you though, my mom has to be a mother to twins (one having low functioning autism) AND she works as a school nurse. She doesn’t force my dad to thank her with chocolates and stuff, nor does she call herself a slave.

[@dopaminedrought395]

@@tankerstankermen saying thank you isn't the same as sharing household and childcare duties on the weekends. If your dad does that, it's a different situation than the one in the video.

[@gaywerewolf1294]

how is that being shown appreciation? lmfao. she signed up for it. that's like saying the wife is being shown appreciation by him working and making money for them, letting her buy whatever and her having time to watch her kids grow up

[@DellCTRL]

That one story where the ex who tried to sue his ex for child support. Bro that reminds me of the Facebook post where that one lady tried to sue her male babysitter for child support for “being a father figure to her kids”

[@mediocreskullduggery]

I know this is a year later but as my mind immediately conjured the image of that post in my mind. I wonder if she ever attempted it 🤔

[@GabrielleHayes1921]

I remember that story! I feel so bad for him and those poor kids, she was nuts and they all (apart from her of course) deserve better.

[@Mewse1203]

Story 1: NTA Karen is way out of line. She butted into a private conversation made shitty comments and then didn't like the response.

[@Tammohawk1]

1. I have 2 sons, and I call the dogs "the boys". 2. I was a stay at home mom who also worked at home as an onsite property manager. I never got time off from either job. I was on duty for both 24/7. The only time I got time off from the managers position was to find someone to take over for me if I had to be gone for a few days. One time one of my kids had to be hospitalized for a few days, and I had to show up at home to execute an eviction. Being told that someone appreciates everything you do really goes a long way. Not hearing it ever is crushing. I hear these stories and realize how blessed I was with my late husband. He spoiled me rotten, but I never took advantage of it.

[@audreym3908]

I'm so sorry for the loss of your husband.

[@joycetaepke2533]

My ex rarely ever appreciated anything I did. I’m not a great housekeeper but I remember many times working hard to make, say, the kitchen spotless and having him grunt and then ask, “why didn’t you clean the living room?” Never saw what I did. Just what I DIDN’T do.

[@carolroberts4614]

I was married to him too!

[@chiyangamer2063]

That's basically my dad in a nutshell. He has gotten a lot better now, his 56. But boy he has insufferable when I was younger, I always questioned why mom was with him.

[@MemristerBoogieDown]

@@chiyangamer2063 …my dad was like that until mom slapped him with a plate of spaghetti. It went EVERYWHERE. I thought I was next. Never had better table manners or posture than I did that night. Lol. Ah, memories.

[@ShatoraDragondore]

Story 2: OP needs to expand the Restraining Order to block contact from the family and friends Dick is now sending in his place to harass her. She also needs to show this to a judge to by pass that dumb law that is keeping her from getting the divorce as hes clearly not trying to save the marriage. Their has to be a certain number of times someone can pull the "I want to try mediation to save us" before the courts see that person is full of shit if theirs no record of counseling.

[@pansprayers]

You mean Story 3? Yeah, so, no. Women filing for divorce and having it go through without a great deal of money, time, and heartache, regardless of how crappy the situation is a fairly new, US/UK concept that only really started to come to fruition in the late '70's/early '80's. My bio mother still needed her father's permission to get us an apartment and bank account AFTER she and bio dad split. We won't even get into my opinions on her not being able to sign us out of the hospital after I was born because she wasn't 21 yet. In some countries/on large chunks of continents like Africa, super religious countries like Poland, large swaths of Asia, parts of S America) a few places in Europe, For Cause States, I can think of about a dozen off of my head, not that easy. Women can file a billion times, and if he's babbling about mediation, she may as well not be in the room. The Philippines? Divorce isn't legal, one way or another, that's for life. The restraining order is just a head pat. She's lucky she found a lawyer to assist her at a reduced rate, but it's still going to take YEARS and a ton of money.

[@ShatoraDragondore]

@@pansprayers I am grateful my mom had a small headache with getting rid of her abuser of an ex husband. MASSIVELY and Repeatedly Violating the Restraining Order for half a year Helped. Didn't hurt the Judge was having non of his "The bible says..." bullshit he kept trying to use. Still took a year and an agreement to drop the DV charge (with the caveat that if he ever showed up it would be reinstated) for him to sign the papers. Having to bunk in Ex-con mens shelters because no one would rent to a man with a DV on his record seamed to humble his ass really fast

[@pansprayers]

@@ShatoraDragondore yup. As much as people complain about US divorces and the family court system (there are obvious flaws, most due to historical imbalances that often saw women tossed into mental institutions at the husband's whim), the basic fact is, all divorce is painful, but it's markedly less traumatic in the US/UK, and at least recognizes both parties as actual human beings. I had to be an active witness/participant in my bio mother's third divorce (she's a piece of work, but he took it to a whole new level of cruelty), and I'm still thankful that we managed to land one of the few judges in that state who wasn't buying his hyper religious hypocritical BS he was using to justify literally breaking the bones in my face on my 12th birthday. People need to remember that, if they're in a country that allows divorce and doesn't make it a practical - if not completely illegal - impossibility, then they're pretty lucky. Because it's not the standard in a large part of the world.

[@ShatoraDragondore]

Story 4: I think the best way for OP to learn how hard and intensive his wives work is would be for him to take over for a few Friday afternoons, as soon as he gets home from work to Monday morning, when he has to leave for work. I think just over 48h with TWO 2yo children and all house chores will change his view of how hard she really works and just how thankful he should be.

[@audreym3908]

But didn't he say he works from home?

[@carolroberts4614]

He sounds like the man who got mad with his kids for buying a Christmas present for their sternum because he never did! He just kept saying he never thinks of it because she does all the Christmas shopping! Even when his own brother told him he was an idiot, but he wasn't having it!

[@ShatoraDragondore]

@@audreym3908 Yeah he dose. So it's clear he knows full well how much she is doing but still thinks it's easy light work because it's playing with babies and doing house work she would be doing any way if she worked a normal job when she comes home. And he's so kind to step up and cook one meal * BUT * leave her the mess to clean up after.

[@ShatoraDragondore]

@@carolroberts4614 I remember that one. I felt so bad for his wife like... Do they even love their SOs? Or was it just them wanting to have guilt free sex because they where raised with the "save it for marriage" bullshit ?

[@ilbercgross4736]

Doing a few friday afternoons is pointless and does not show how much work is involved. How's this for a change, OP could tell his wife to get a job. He will pay for child care whether that be a nanny or preschool type. The wife wanted her life. OP did not force a gun to her head proclaiming she will stay home. OP did say he does spend time with the children. I do not know if he lost around the house. He works from home, so at least he does not have that hour drive to work and nearly 2 hour drive home (thinks King and Snohomish Counties for the crap traffic). Tell wife they need to sit down and split the chores while she gets a full time job. OP has missed out on a lot, even if he worked from home the entire time. First walks, first talks, first flour fights in the kitchen. Comforting the child with a skinned knee. Tea parties with the stuff animals. Playing catch at the park will most people are at work. Fun times at the zoo. Stay at home parents do a lot. The parent working misses out on a lot. Those misses are priceless and can never be replaced. OP is still the arsehole. Even bosses tell employees that they are doing a good job or thank them. They might even get bonuses or gifts. Happy wife, happy life. Unhappy wife, unhappy life. If wife is unhappy long enough, husband will be unhappy with only half his stuff.

[@Icalasari]

Story 2 - I feel bad for OP there. They got cornered. Also his wife DOES realize that her staying with a "cheater" would still screw her over with the family, right...? Like, heck, I'm sorry, but there was no winning that

[@4BWVan]

STORY 4: There is no way in HELL that husband "thanks her all the time" for what she does. No WAY. Not with the rest of what he wrote. He's a liar.

[@DePhoegonIsle]

Honestly, I dare you to have a friend for 3 days straight 'thank you at ever turn for doing something good for `the home`' and watch how ... damn'd aggrovating it gets, to the point of being insulting. People want to know what they do is returned in gratitude, for sure... but go on I dare you.... you got 3 straight days of, someone thanking you for ... everything.

[@fabiocandelori9163]

Was going to write the same thing. That has major "Oh crap, gotta write something to at least get some NTA to shiw my wife" energy.

[@ginathecookie]

@@DePhoegonIsle once a week or a blanket thank you ("you work so hard for us in our home everyday, I love you and thank you so much,") would work The point is she wants and needs appreciation, a thank you is one way, a gift (such as her favourite chocolate or flowers) is another. It depends on the person and how you do it that matters.

[@DePhoegonIsle]

@@ginathecookie Ya, and that goes both ways doesn't it? Though we will honestly never know if he did & it just wasn't noticed or seen as that, or if she ever did. That said though, this is why communication is extremely important, and perhaps asking 'why' ya feel the way you do. Though, honestly I might be jaded &/or unlucky with some things, but what scant experience I get to have had shows .... It's never enough. You will always have to be 'obvious' about your intents of showing your feelings, and quite often say a small thing like 'a drink every other day [soda], or chocolate, or bringing some food home' on some sort of schedule goes from being appreciated to normality, and it not feeling as if you're appreciated. I feel bad for people who feel genuinely unnoticed for their deeds & assistance, but it's also on you to let others know how you feel without dragging someone else through some sort of guilt-ridden non-sense, and learning to ask for things like being shown you're valued(without attacking anyone) is a lost skill.

[@alg94]

"its inhumane to compare kids to animals" bish what do you think humans are? we are animals.

[@brigidtheirish]

A species of great ape, specifically. We're a bit special, having immortal souls from a Christian standpoint, but still animals.

[@mbyerly9680]

Except Karens are subhumans.

[@samauraipc16]

I work retail. Lady should see how kids act. The dogs that come through my store are so behaved than the kids who trying to tip over our displays and screaming

[@JRMAV1]

@@brigidtheirishwe don’t have immortal souls. Read your Bible again

[@brigidtheirish]

@@JRMAV1 I have. Jesus talked frequently about people being with Him forever in Heaven. He *raised the dead.* In the Old Testament, Saul went to the Witch of Endor to call up Samuel's ghost. Our souls live on after the death of our bodies.

[@AndyyWithAY]

I wouldn't have been worried about getting fired because I'm a good employee. And if things went to the left like they did here it's because the job sucks, not OP. This will absolutely be a blessing in disguise. I am hoping she gets that dream job soon

[@TsukiKageTora]

The fact that OP got fired for telling a coworker to mind their own damn business after verbally assaulting and harassing their friend and that coworker got no repercussions, OP needs to post on that job site where people post their reviews at working in a place. OP needs to tell what it was like working there “They support verbal harassment and fired my coworker and me for defending that coworker from it” The truth will make them regret ever siding with someone who assaulted the worker they fired. Yeesh

[@nojhii1256]

The OP in the last story is so dense, I genuinely don’t get how people can treat their spouses like that. I absolutely adore my girlfriend and would do anything to make her happy. Is a candy bar seriously too much?

[@SilentDecepticon]

Last story: the poor wife. It sounds like she is always on the go. The closest she gets to a break is when OP watches the kids for an hour so she can do some other chores. OP needs to step up and take some of the workload before she has a breakdown.

[@danishaussie63]

S4: You guys have no idea how easy it is to keep so many of us gals happy by doing just simple little things. Flowers on occasion for no reason...and no, you dont have to spend a fortune. Pick some flowers, 'borrow' a rose from a neighbours garden, just use your imagination, or maybe do the dishes once in a while or stack the dishwasher, get a bit of shopping, it sure as hell wouldnt kill you. Its not that hard to pick up a yum(that I what I call something nice) when you pop into a store... or pop into a bakery and bring home pastries and coffee for you both. So many partners are 'you do your job and ill do mine'...how about you do them both together!!!! It's not so cut and dried our roles in a relationship, and being a full time parent never gets turned off where as when your done will your job for the day, your done...your never done with babies at home, its that simple. This situation, theres twins, no wonder shes feels unappreciated. It might mean bugga all to you, but it means a shitload to the mums ok, just go out of your stereo typical way and do a few nice things for your babies mama and keep the gals happy.

[@AngelaVEdwards]

*So a coworker can butt into someone's conversation and then insult the person about not being able to have children and if someone complains to the powers that be, they get fired? What the heck kind of company is this???*

[@AndyyWithAY]

It's astounding how people can tell the story from their own side and still make themselves look like a giant douche-canoe. OP is such a giant AH in story 4. She just wants a little thank you and a candy bar. She's not asking for BMWs and Loubitons. He didn't say how old the kids are, but having babies takes a toll on a woman, she had multiples. He probably doesnt do 💩 and all child rearing falls on her. She's probably sleep deprived and she has to do everything all the time. I'm sure he does nothing to help during the work day. I feel horrible for the wife.

[@Becks-and-books]

Sounds like it from the update too. He works 8-9hr days (depending on lunch break), and is off on weekends. She does everything. He says he knows she has a hard job but does nothing to alleviate. He should be just as active as a parent and do just as many chores as she does on weekends. Maybe if they work together they can each have a day “off”

[@insideAdirtyMind]

I would like to know what role he plays for the kids....sounds like he is not even a father....like does he play with the kids, does he read a book with the kids, is he doing just anything that a father does

[@RedReaper666OG]

The twins are 2. That being said, I'm in full agreement with you. I'm a SAHM and a caretaker to boot (husbands disabled, mental trauma). He still, with all the shit he deals with, manages to rub my back or grab me a Coke or pick me a random ass flower that was growing where no flower would choose to grow. Clearly OP is just a moron when it comes to being a decent husband. I say this because if my disabled husband can do these things, then what's OP's fucking excuse? edit: bad punctuation

[@philwill0123]

Yep, get the feeling hes one of those who closes the home office door 7 - 5pm, and only ventures out to demand food or do what he wants for an hour. Whilst work is work, working from home does allow flexibility e.g letting her have 30 mins to herself at lunchtime. the fact how the update suggests she "does her own thing at weekends" (cleaning), means he sees his work time as all work, and his off time as "his time off".

[@t.matthies3049]

@@RedReaper666OG Your husband sounds lovely, and the two of you sound like a wonderful couple.

[@TheFuri0uswc]

I'm going to defend the family on second post and point out a double standard if op had been cheating no one would had a problem publicly exposing or with method of how they did,hell I've see much much worse things done to cheater on pro revenge and such but since I was open relationship which family didn't know suddenly not okay to expose a cheater like that.

[@2002dash]

At that point yeah I agree I've seen cheaters exposed all the time and its praised on the sub. But a good point to also realize. Is that they didn't even tell the wife about it first!?!?!?!? Usually the partner cheated on is part of this expose plot. And they decided to spring it on her at the same time they did for him???? Its literally insane. And her also not doing anything to try and back him is also a huge slap in the face. Since he didnt do anything wrong in this instance.

[@harrypotter2700]

I’d have to disagree only on the grounds that the wife had no idea this was being planned. If you want to expose a cheater and make them feel ashamed and exposed then go for it, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of hurting the victim even more by simultaneously surprising them with something so emotionally devastating in front of the whole family; it’s so insensitive and comes across as some holier than thou reveal instead of trying to help them out of a poor situation. If they genuinely cared about their daughter then they should have spoken to her first about this and acted as support instead of springing it on both of them.

[@TheFuri0uswc]

@@harrypotter2700 i agree with you that not telling the wife is sucky but a lot comment mention in relation to op not the wife

[@kyriacarica5862]

Is it wrong that I want to bully the last OP so bad? Wife should totally leave the house on a weekend and have HIM watch the kid AND do chores on top of it. FOR THE ENTIRE DAY.

[@emm_uhh]

At my job I get praises, bonuses, and promotions for my hard work. I get to take mental health days and vacations. SAHMs need breaks to take care of themselves and shown appreciation at the bare minimum. A lot of moms have guilt for not working even though child care is insanely pricing in many countries.

[@ComaLies225]

St 3: NTA. So the ex who has a restraining order from the OP and who had an inappropriate relation with an employee under him (no pun intended) is mad he and the mistress got fired for THEIR ACTIONS??? Again, NTA and Op didn’t even do anything but to protect herself. I’m hoping now that the order was broken the divorce can be granted.

[@ellicerslavic]

If the fact that the RO existing in the first place wasn't enough to grant a divorce is wild

[@pansprayers]

It's going to still require a lot of time and money, even at a reduced rate for her to get rid of him. The restraining order was a head pat, given to her by the criminal court, not the civil court where family law/divorces are heard, and many places separate the two to one extreme of the order not being even allowed in as testimony. Most people's idea of divorce here is going to be a very late 70's - early '80's US/UK centric one, and that's simply not the case in a large part of the world. Divorce is literally 'til death do us part' in the Philippines, Israel requires the husband grant a writ of divorce be written by a rabbi, Poland makes it almost impossible, and large chunks of Asia, S America, Africa, the Middle East, and a few ultra religious parts of Europe say it's *possible* - but not without a lot of heartache, money, pain, and time. She may as well not exist in the room, as long as he keeps saying they'll reconcile.

[@pansprayers]

@@ellicerslavic Well, welcome to life outside of the US/UK.

[@freethebirds3578]

Story 4: Go out, buy the book, study it, and learn what love languages really are. Or get Love and Respect by the Eggeriches. Because OP doesn't have the first clue about marriage and is destroying the family.

[@llynxfyremusic]

Do not not not get love and respect that book encourages do much inequality and has been weaponised by abusers to justify abuse and is extremely gender essentialist

[@threeducks157]

Hr purpose is to protect the company they are not your friends, that doesn't make them bad people but its the literal role. If you have an issue that needs resolving with HR you have to think about how to present your case in a way that will demonstrate that their failure to act to your benefit will affect the company, this sounds crass buy cover your own butt. Im not HR rather one of 2 people above HR, the VP and always advise my employees in this manner.

[@keplersdream901]

THIS. I also notice that Zoomers and many Millennials make Pikachu face when the company retaliates after the harassed employee goes to HR. Many companies, including yours, will commit illegal actions banking on the employee not having the financial security to risk a lengthy lawsuit. Justice costs money, which most people do not have. It sucks, but that's the reality.

[@Jxfjfjbfkv]

The biggest mistake couples make is thinking they both need their needs met in the same way. You may not want a thanks or show of appreciation for doing your job, but she does her. Being so stubborn that you refuse to just say thanks or occasionally pick her up a little treat, shows how you see her value. Grow up.

[@jennilynne1977]

I hope everyone is having a great day/afternoon/night! Peace, hugs and love to everyone! Keep making our days better Mark!

[@SkiesOfYellow]

If my husband told me to get on with my job as a SAHM, he'd be punched in the face... and then his mother and my best friend would be jostling to see who got to hit him next. There is not a single woman in his life that would let him get away with that and he knows it. Also, he's just not a toxic dickhead, so there's that. :)

[@pansprayers]

Kinda funny, because my husband heard it from across the room and HE wanted to punch him in the face. He regularly begs me to let him hire a maid so that it takes a big chunk of the load off of me. He tells anyone who listens that if I were to start charging, he wouldn't be able to afford me.

[@OZARKMOON1960]

#3 - the mental gymnastics in Richard and his mistress' minds just astounds me. and that of their friends and families. OP has and RO and this idiot decided to show up at her office demanding to see her - with his love child in tow? really? what did he think was going to happen? Obs. OP is NTA and sincerely hope boss's buddy (lawyer) can put a stop to dragging out the divorce!

[@baylabe]

Oh the first story!! I was just fired a few weeks ago in a similar situation! My manager started bullying me openly, and after reporting it numerous times, going to the district manager, and writing statements upon statements with nothing being done and us still being made to work together, it came to a head when the manager came to find me while I was clocking out to berate me. I told her I was sick, in pain and didn't need to put up with her bullshit anymore, and ended with calling her a bitch. I was let go two days after Christmas, but everything is perfect! I got picked up by a new bakery (i love baking), been less stressed, and had my first big girl firing/bad manager story to tell. So weird how much I relate, right down to the furbabies! Great stories today Mark :)

[@bioshockbrat9171]

Feeling incredibly sick listening to this at 1am vomiting, this helps keeps me focused on feeling better, your voice is soothing and calm

[@teeshastoeckel4257]

The story with the husband who doesn't appreciate his wife or what she does at home....honestly the wife should take a week vacation,and make the husband take care of the house,and the kids...just so the husband knows how hard his wife really does work...boy if my husband didn't appreciate all that I do...he would be waking up a year from now,and wonder what the fuck just happened...

[@Passions5555]

Wow, that last sentence had me laughing hard 🤣

[@louellacharlton4425]

Tyvm Mark. Stay safe please. PEACE

[@jenniferezzell7547]

Story 1: Love OP for standing up for her friend. Looks like OP has family after all☺️

[@xAlecto]

Story 3: basically the wife's forms of love languages are gift giving and acts of service, by the sounds of it. OP is a bit of an asshole here tho; she's stating essentially she needed something to feel cared for and he just told her to "suck it up" basically.

[@natytambasco]

the funny part is that she just asked for chocolate, I thought she would ask for help and some time to relax.

[@Rienneil]

Story 3: "hi I m your abusive ex with the restraining order, I m turning up at exes work with mistress and our love child as we think she should give child support to this child we had behind her back" Receptionist: wtf?! Could you just repeat that slowly

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

LAST STORY: *YTA* When women say we would like gestures to show that we are appreciated, why is it so hard for men to understand that we really do want the small things. •A bar of our favorite chocolate. •A cup of our favorite coffee. •If we are bookworms a new book from the book exchange that literally cost you $1.50 (at least the one in my area. I see so many women just walking out with CRATES of books because they are so cheap lol.) •Say thank you when you catch us doing stuff around the house or we do small things for you like make your lunch for work or prep your all time favorite meal for dinner when you come home from work. •Do a couple chores every once in a while or take the kids out so we could have some “me time” •Even give us a hug out of nowhere! The way op snapped at his wife made it out to be she expected a one man show award ceremony just for her….. Wives/girlfriends really do not ask for much when it comes to wanting to feel appreciated. Doing the bare minimum like saying thank you or surprising us with our favorite treat really goes a long way. It’s not that hard to go that extra mile to show someone you appreciate/love them. If you’re leaving the house and places to buy our favorite candy or favorite thing is on the way of your destination, what’s the harm in stopping for five minutes to pick that up? Like seriously if you’re on your way home depot pick me up a vanilla latte as a little surprise. The TV may make it seem like when we want the small things usually translates to get us a big ass diamond ring with a matching big ass diamond pendant, you’ll be surprised how many women don’t give a rats ass about jewelry. We have such a low bar for what makes us feel appreciated and acting like that’s too much of a feat makes us feel like we are not worth it.

[@wmdkitty]

NB demi-guy, and can I second this? This is really all anyone wants.

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

@@wmdkitty also a hug does work. When we’re doing the dishes or doing laundry just come up behind us and give us a hug. 🥺

[@AKASANJEEWA]

3rd story, if the EXs husband is from a certain religious group which allows poligomy and if that is the religion what I think, he can't just have multiple partners, he needs permission from his 1st wife, and HE has to provide equal service to all his wives, houses, expenses etc. More than anything what's really messed up is the court system which doesn't consider adultery as a reason for divorce or OP does not have all the information she needed.

[@pansprayers]

Or, he's from a culture where the wife is a duty, the mistress is for fun. Either way, this is pretty common in many countries.

[@AKASANJEEWA]

@@pansprayers either way she needs some kind of a relief.

[@alezot6141]

Story #2: HE broke HER trust? What about her letting her family gang on OP? If this happen often, it's a pretty big red flag

[@Passions5555]

He needs to dump her. She doesn't have his back.

[@micheleosullivan4430]

Final story. My x worked full-time. I worked part-time but also did 80% of the parenting. He'd get up with the kids on Saturday and I did it on Sunday. We both got a little extra sleep. When he came home from work, he took over parenting while I cooked dinner. We both took care of baths and bedtime. I'd also get an hour every night to shower and do my skincare without interruption. Even if one or all of the kids woke up. SAHMs (even if they work part-time) need time off too. It is NEVER ending.

[@terryp2517]

Appreciation: YTA, this is the Provider Mindset a lot of men in this situation have. Money isn't the only thing needed to run a good household. Age wants to feel appreciated in small ways. Is the little things that matter the most to a partner and he's forgotten them in the scramble of everyday life

[@AllenTax]

HELL NO! THAT business and higher ups need to be fired, removed and not allowed to work in those fields.

[@jeanipin3430]

Being a housewife means being within 4 walls day in day out. Wife's day isn't 9 - 5, it is dawn to dusk. Only going out to shop or maybe, if time spending one hour at the local park if you're lucky. Working folk get to leave the house, see and speak to other people, maybe go to local pub near work for a lunch etc. Housework and child care is more than a full time job so, yes, it is nice to be given a little gift now and again, even that breaks up the monotony of home autonomy

[@direwolf8703]

story one sounds like a wrongful termination lawsuit and workplace bullying

[@JikeriJokeri]

Ooo, I so wanna hear update to second story, if it gets one. Same with thirt story.

[@Bunny_Gee]

I almost cried at the first story. I suffered infertility and could not have more kids after my only child died of a genetic disease at 1.5 years of age. People have said cruel things to me like that. I am glad op left that toxic job. Poor Suzie.

[@JasperIllusian]

she literally only asked for a damn CHOCOLATE BAR. from a store it sounds like he regularly goes to. chocolate is often near the cash registers so he very likely doesnt even have to go out of his way to get it. but even THAT is too much?? i cant imagine my partner asking me to do something like that, something so easy and small, telling me that it'd make them happy and then getting mad abt being asked. if its so easy to make my partners day, im gonna fucking DO it. i cannot wrap my head around why this guy has such an issue with getting a damn chocolate bar. acting like she asked him to get super expensive gifts and pointing out that he lets her have however much money she wants. she wants small gifts from YOU. little sweet surprises from YOU. thats not hard, holy shit and in return you get to make her happy??? how is this not a win win situation unless you just really hate your spouse

[@bethanntay]

Although I agree with you Mark about child support. In some states in the United States, of a woman gets pregnant during a marriage from another man, a lot of the time the husband still has to pay for a. Child that is not his. Which I think is 100% wrong. Wrong in both sides.

[@Mscrimsondragon]

You didnt get Richard fired, Richard got his own greedy ass fired.

[@FlamesofJagger]

🎶🎵Am I the buuuuuttthhhoooolllleeee 🎶🎵 Wow.... today has been a Mark Narrations day for me. Woke up and saw the first video. Then went on to Audible and listened to the podcast until this came on. Anyway, enough waffling🧇, have a great day Mark. Stay chill😎, pet Poppy, and waffle🧇 on always. Much love💘❤️💗💖💕💛💙💜💘. Shout out to the Waffle🧇🧇🧇 Gaaannnnggggg!!!

[@SashaSRenee]

Story 4: No, you do not get small rewards from work but you do get paid. Your wife is working 24/7 with no pay and all she's asking for is some chocolate occasionally. When I'm out and see a reese's cup, I buy it for my bf just cause I know he loves them. That's something you do for your SO, even if they aren't a stay at home parent. Just ask your SO about what makes them feel loved and try to provide that for them.

[@yuniesan]

The first story, op has grounds for a lawsuit based on titleIX if they're in the states. Which can land both the Karen and the company in hot water

[@suseanneegoulet1033]

I am listening to the story about the bullying regarding furbabies, and my furbaby knocked over my phone, so I grabbed it. Then I get some weird message from KZbin regarding feedback being sent to the creator. WTH, I love your narration, that's the only feedback I want to give!

[@InuMokuba]

Story 4: YTA. Granted he's not the complete AH I was expecting, but he is still majorly wrong. He at least admits he doesn't do small gestures and he's not in the habit and even mentions love language in the edit. Most ungrateful husbands aren't that self aware, admit not doing things and intune with psychological practices. But he does need to work on his perspective, employers showing appreciation to employees is one thing(though not much different), this is his wife! She even clearly explains her needs, most women(people honestly) have issues being so clear of their needs. He feels she's asking to him bend the knee for every little thing when that's not what she said at all. He seems to have realized it may not be her love language and so hopefully he finds small ways that speak to her to show her he cares.

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

I agree with you. Maybe couples counseling can help too.

[@Tamara-ju3lh]

I was on reddit for the 2nd and 3rd story and gave a NTA judgements for both. I didn't see the first one but NTA on that one too. Karen was being cruel.

[@Cheycartoongirl8]

Hey there Waffle Gang! Nothing like arriving home after a grueling day at work to a video from Mark! No Life Hack. Too tired. Just take care of your emotional, mental and physical health!

[@ashh4929]

Last story guess what pumpkin? If we are going based on the over logistical way you speak. Being a parent and a husband IS ALSO ×YOUR JOB!× A couple hours of playtime doesn't cut the mustard. So guess who is slacking on THEIR job?

[@Silence-1170]

Wishing you all a great evening! Take care of yourselves!

[@DDuMas]

22:21 Hold on, let me "you are told in a variety of ways at your job, that you are appreciated". That is a bold claim. You have no idea what he does. I have to literally sit here and think about the last time someone said anything appreciative to me. :-O

[@maggpiprime954]

Yeahhhhh, just saying "thank you" to one's stay at home spouse isn't enough. We say "thank you" to the cashiers and wait staff who help us out in the public sector; it's basic etiquette, not a declaration of a loving bond, appreciation or emotional support. This guy... smh

[@bloonh8tr619]

Hello Mark, happy Sunday!

[@LoveableNiki]

Story 2: NTA. Rebecca is TA. OP needs to sleep in the bedroom. Rebecca is in the wrong.

[@terryp2517]

Spilled beans: NTA, the fact that SIL did this without consulting OP's wife is a huge red flag and shows how judgmental this family is. I'd have said "Wife and I will discuss this, move on" and and they walk out afterward when they continued to shout at me The wife is the AH because she would rather throw him under the bus than admit the truth

[@kathybeckford3592]

Richard got Richard fired for being a Richard!

[@HealingSpectrumIntuition]

NTA: If someone dared to speak about my fur and feather babies that way, I have used a lot, more, colorful language.

[@SkyEcho751]

S1: I would hope that OP reports their firing to the Labor board. Which should get them in trouble for wrongful termination. While HR is supposed to help the company, they are not supposed to fire Employees after reporting harassment as that is lawsuit worthy. NTA S2: I'm gonna say NTA, she is doing everything to protect herself and is willing to throw OP to the wolves(her family). It's clear she isn't ready for marriage. S3: NTA and wow, OP must not live in a western nation, either that or the Judge is not being impartial. He is living with his mistress and got someone outside of marriage pregnant, without some kind of undeniable proof OP was aware and fully agreed I'd deem this as cheating and HIM being at fault. S4: YTA and big time. OP is basically telling her 'you are doing the bare minimum, but being a homemaker is a hard job. OP seems to have not shown much affection to his partner and he needs to rectify that.

[@mindyschocolate]

Yeah I was astounded after OP got fired. That was clearly wrongful termination and I’d have slapped a lawsuit on that grocery store.

[@TiffWaffles]

@@mindyschocolate I wonder if this workplace she was working for was something like Walmart? I heard from friends that worked in places like this that HR is a mess.

[@MikkosFree]

@@TiffWaffles Most companies like this have heavy politics. It's a matter of who you know, and not how good an employee your are. I have been on both sides of the spectrum, being the "managers friend" who could do anything I pleased (I'm not an ass like the karen though), and being the jilted employee who sees how said managers friends act like they own the place and act like tyrants. Hell, I once worked for a company where my manager had 3 counts of sexual misconduct an bullying, and every girls he harassed was fired for complaining.

[@5781nashmiller]

Hmmm, if the whole family is against alcohol, who took the picture in the bar? Sounds suspicious to me!!

[@annhans3535]

I was a stay at home mom with my kids. One of the things my husband would do during the weekend was to take the kids for a few hours to do stuff away from the home. To give me a few hours to myself. Or send me to lunch with my friends. Most of the time when he took the kids, I would just put on the music loudly and clean the house without them bothering me Or cook something nice. But it's nice to have alone time when you can just do whatever you want. Chocolate is good. Sparkling things are even better.🤣. A nice book to read. But she needs some time to herself.

[@evarodriguez4319]

2nd story, best to get up and take wife with him. Both of them would need to talk. Never discuss any issue that should be between two people in front of others, especially her or his family. That is some crazy family.

[@itazuranakisu]

Whenever I read about open relationships and an OP I’m always curious if both parties agreed to this and if both are actively participating because often it’s just one person who loves the idea and the other doesn’t. That could be the reason why she didn’t say anything. She was fine with it all imploding. Maybe he didn’t tell her about that woman. He signed up for deceiving her family from the start and since they didn’t know about their “open” marriage they were calling him out on the spot so he couldn’t make up a lie. Personally don’t see the point of marriage here if you’re just going to be with a several other people and child free may not be an option if something happens. It’s not even a committed poly relationship here.

[@wmdkitty]

Guarantee he bullied her into it.

[@pinklemonade8320]

Story 2 is my worst nightmare as a person in a secretly open relationship. Bf's family is otherwise pretty liberal, but the one thing they're traditional about is monogamy. I've gotten lots of rants from his mom about how she doesn't understand this new culture of just "seeing" people because if you're with someone you should be exclusive from the get-go. One time she lectured my bf because he had to neet up with a female lab partner. Another time she saw my bf get a (completely platonic) text from a woman's name and she said "Does (me) know you're texting other women? Is she okay with it?" as if I would be against him even having female friends. Little does she know... I did once get caught with another man by my brother and a mutual friend of ours because I stupidly took him to a bar that my brother also frequents. We lied that he was work colleague but...we were sitting next to each other and not across from each other, and moments before they approached us he had his arm around me and I had also been kissing him earlier. After the incident, my brother told me that both he and our friend think my "work colleague" seems like he's really into me. He also said that the guy is attractive and he's surprised I could "pull" such a guy, and started joking about how I should date him...To this day I wonder if my brother saw and just isn't saying anything for my sake, but I'd like to think he knows I'm not a cheater. Obviously if my family caught my bf with another girl I would not hesitate to admit we're in an open relationship, and I have no doubt he would do the same for me. Rebecca is massively selfish. "Sleep on the couch because you didn't sacrifice your reputation so I could look innocent".

[@digitalharmony26]

Only part way through story one, but her cats names are Willie and Bill? So they’re both William? That’s hilarious 😂

[@RockinTheBassGuitar]

If you feel like you have to keep your lifestyle a secret from people then you have bigger issues than you realize. If OP and his wife were truly OK with an open relationship then they should go to therapy to find a way to be truthful to their families about it.

[@kennycai8695]

Story 3: My gosh, this story still angers me no matter how many times I heard it. OP, this is not your fault, and your only mistake was not pursuing this matter any further, cause this is the reason why your ex thinks he can stomp all over your boundaries (hence the RO), and even think he is entitled to child support money for a child that was NOT yours to begin with. He f**ked around, and well, him and his mistress lost their jobs, and if those flying monkeys still give you crap about it, block them all. Not your circus, not your flying monkeys, since you literally did nothing at all.

[@Siinwu]

3rd one: WTF is that? thats a messed up legal system. not to mention the cheater and his family mentality or lack there of. yikes!

[@AlexRising_]

Imagine mocking someone’s infertility and then reporting someone to HR for telling you to GFY.

[@silky0439]

Considering story 1 is in the States, Karen's actions can be brought before the EEOC if HR doesn't do their job (and let them know you are fully prepared to do so). Such treatment of a senior citizen in the workplace is abhorrent. If your mg and HR won't take action, the EEOC will Happily investigate the whole department. Justice Served.

[@Tamara-ju3lh]

I forgot about the last story. So I also judged that one on reddit nd ripped him apart. Guys like him or why I don't want to get married.

[@luvondarox]

S4 OP's job has a start and an end date; he's On the Job from 7a - 5p, and _has days off._ Wife works much longer in an environment she cannot escape and never gets a _single_ day off ever, and OP expects her to be thankful for it. They don't even have a familial support system so she can have a Grandparents Have the Kids day to recharge. Commenters talk about OP going the extra mile, but some basic acknowledgement isn't even a mile. It's a *foot.* And depending on the actions that accompany the words, the words of affirmation themselves might ring hollow. I'm kinda glad OP got the Reddit Riot.

[@indianspartan76]

Story 3: overwhelmingly NTA. I know the commenter is joking at 19:20 but this situation happens a lot (very legally) with the genders swapped through paternity fraud (scandalous that's it's not criminalized).

[@pansprayers]

It happens MORE in a large part of the world outside of the US/UK, and used to look just like this until the mid-70's there. Let's not pretend that women getting a fair shake ISN'T a very new concept in history, because that would be a bald lie.

[@indianspartan76]

@@pansprayers what are you talking about?

[@reallyisay]

HR is a degreed profession not to minimized by a group of company sycophants

[@insane13juggalo]

OP needs a contact the local news about what the employer and that person and HR did! burn that fucking place to the ground... Figuratively speaking... Messed with an old person her cats? Hell no.

[@autumn557]

Last story: I work 14 hours a day and no one appreciates that. 😭 Except maybe my cats because it pays for their food.

[@Swnsasy]

1st : This cannot be in the US because saying an F word isn't grounds for firing and you would win if that is why they fired you and NOTHING happened to the woman that said that horrible comment.. Neither would get fired, written up and then thrown out after 90 days and talking to.. The open marriage thing, easy fix.. I have been pursuing acting and we were going through the script and then his wife could say, yes, I know what he's doing, it's acting... What freaking country would have you pay for the AP child?! Wtf?!

[@mdlizzy]

The stay at home mom doesn’t get praise from her coworkers she doesn’t get a paycheck that rewards her for her hard work. She doesn’t even get time off. Buy her a damn candy bar.

[@gabrielaubry1334]

Basic HR: Protecting the company over the employees HR in Story 1: Willingly being used as a retaliatory weapon on behalf of employers and their cronies

[@alexandramayger2430]

Story 1. Another person who asked for advice and didn't take it

[@DDuMas]

Story 1: This is how you know it's in America with the whole "eff the employee" thing. You can't do that in the UK. The legal repercussions would be catastrophic for the company in fines and compensation to say the least. The standards are not the companies to butcher in a lot of other countries.

[@elizabethmaddan1487]

As a person who wasn't supposed to be able to have kids and had fur babies for years and now at 38 has 2 kids... you are not the a-hole

[@romonaelrod7870]

Woo hoo, Early. Hiya Mark and Poppy and all of you cheeky Waffle loving so and so's.

[@malicia7321]

Hiya 👋

[@romonaelrod7870]

@@malicia7321 hi m alicia