I Implemented GNOME's Best Feature in KDE Plasma

[@azenyr]

Dude you are literally the UI/UX revolution that KDE has needed for so many years. We need more devs like you. Keep up the amazing work!

[@ellanooliver6300]

today KDE is actually better than what he draw, is that because of him?

[@pixl3ros3]

​@@ellanooliver6300 Yeah it is.

[@emptyvisual]

This is fantastic, Nicco. I admire that you're able to recognise great UX design and take inspiration from it. Everyone wins when the best ideas are shared. I cant wait to be able to drag windows between workspaces/desktops back and forth in overview! Excited to see more!

[@no_name4796]

So basically gnome loses, since they closed themselves to the rest of the world and won't collaborate with anyone else. Which makes sense, as you can feel it when using gnome. That and kde6 are the reasons i switched to kde

[@PrivateLZG]

Thats how open source works and it's great

[@misterstif]

Thanks for your work! 🔭

[@ffkkinos]

That's awesome! I can name a few more things KDE could get from GNOME, bringing the best of both worlds is pretty nice! :)

[@n.m4497]

What would those be

[@hrstwn]

​@@n.m4497 better paddings and app design in general?

[@WolfRites]

@@hrstwn You mean apps that can't do anything, and oversized padding that feels like a mental asylum? No thanks.

[@sixunity1171]

@@WolfRites what

[@hrstwn]

@@WolfRites have you seen Maui apps?

[@jeanvbarros]

Looking forward for this new overview. Great job, sir

[@bsmarques]

Other OS: "No, you can't copy my style" Linux: "I've liked what you did and I copied it" "Cool, have fun"

[@no_name4796]

You should say linux minus gnome. I don't really think it's possible for a gnome dev to see anything not gnome and say "i liked its design" lol

[@syhan5730]

Great job, Nicco. This is one of the two things that kept me from comfortably using kde. Its desktop management was just... not efficient, and I always went back to gnome as a result. The second annoying thing is kde's panel customisation, but apparently it's getting fixed too in the upcoming plasma 6 release. I'm really glad these issues are finally getting attention, thank you

[@sharanpai4996]

I have been coming back from gnome for the same reason too. KDE is just far snappier than gnome. Looking forward to this release

[@rubaiyat04]

This is huge!! Thank you!

[@azenyr]

Here's a cool idea to the problem at 3:40 - have the desktop "slide down" a bit enough to show the search results when you start typing, and make it "slide up" again if you clear the search field. Don't forget to make the search results "fade in" and out at the same time when the desktop slides down or back up. Keep the fluidity levels up! :D

[@banzooiebooie]

I love you 🥰 , I was missing this in KDE then saw "nice, they copied Gnome"...you did!🤟 Thanks a lot!

[@TheA_Gamer554]

this was one of your best edited videos, even if there were some mistakes where the B-roll doesn't match all of the animations were super visual and you explained everything super well

[@Joss0051]

Looks Beautiful, thanks for all the hard work. Warm Regards, Joseph

[@aaron_the_penguin]

Wow, this is amazing, there's a few things of KDE that keep me on GNOME, and this was one of them! Keep it up! One thing that I would love to see is a way to keep a panel shown when in the overview, like how GNOME shows the app bar or whatever its called below the desktops

[@CyborgZeta]

I donate to KDE. Plasma and KDE are a credit to the Linux community.

[@folksurvival]

Plasma is too buggy.

[@alexisfinaris2051]

If it hit feature parity with Gnome I will seriously consider switching. Amazing work!

[@HrHaakon]

Oh, but that's easy, just do nothing and GNOME will remove features until parity is achieved... :p

[@folksurvival]

@@HrHaakon That would be the opposite of parity because KDE is feature-rich and continually adds more features.

[@Cenot4ph]

feature parity? you have things backwards, Gnome needs to do a lot of work to come even close to KDE

[@DreamingCodes]

That is fantastic. As soon as this is merged I'm going to switch back to KDE

[@sandarulj]

Fantastic! The overview and 1:1 touchpad gestures is why I've been using Gnome on my laptop. It's just so efficient and feels natural. Now with this implemented in KDE, I might even switch!

[@lyoneel]

love to see this kind of improvements, as Plasma user I appreciate a lot what you do.

[@MisakaMikotoDesu]

Glad at least one person understands details like this. Please don't get poached by Apple

[@pythoner6831]

This is cool! I've been playing with KDE a little (I'm a long time gnome user), and the big thing I felt was lacking on the KDE side was the way the gnome overview is "unified", e.g. the overview search is effectively an application launcher. I like having the one key to get at the application launcher, but also being able to see all the open applications too.

[@slavko321]

you have krunner (alt-f2) that does that, you can even choose plugins it uses, from applications to run, calculations, open windows , ...

[@quick-bytes]

Same brother!!

[@xeiAiex]

This looks amazing! I can't wait to have it. Thank you for all of your work and effort on Plasma!

[@gizzmoguy.]

This is awesome work dude. Thank you for all what you do.

[@Hzuuuu]

Haven't watched your videos in a long while but I still read the weekly KDE changelogs. The production value is looking crazy now. Really awesome.

[@niccoloveslinux]

Thank you!

[@williamevans6830]

I too would be shouting this change from the rooftops you are a legend this is a wonderful change to KDE. Gnome and KDE are amazing.

[@BrokenKanuck]

Incredibly grateful for all the work you put in, it makes such a difference!

[@noam65]

I am a recent subscriber. I'm happy finally to have access to a developer, who is willing to shed light upon why certain choices were made, and who can give an honest appraisal of their product, including things that need improvement. This kind of humility is rather rare (unfortunately) and refreshing. Thank you.

[@deancode]

As a long time Gnome user I am actually really excited for this new KDE Overiew layout.

[@mitya]

Thanks, this looks really great and exciting!

[@ryugahareame2994]

Thank you, Both the animation and workflow looks amazing. Hope the merge request goes smoothly. One feature request, will it be possible to rearrange the virtual desktops. Gnome lacks this, so it will make overview even better.

[@redhatdarrow66]

Thank you! Your work is making KDE Plasma remarkable!

[@BendyLemmy]

This would be huge. I use a mouse gestures, so I have one for the grid, another for overview, another for present windows on the current desktop... I do hope you'll not only focus on touchpad users, though, sometimes it seems that way - even when I use a laptop I have a mouse in my pocket.

[@sammywammy6116]

I hope this will be ready for Plasma 6!

[@dreamcat4]

worth it yes! thank you for those efforts. indeed very much appreciated

[@Comrade2056]

Great job, I've been waiting for these features for a long time.

[@MansakeLabsOfficial]

I've wanted this exact feature for a long time, thank you!

[@whiskeylinux]

Very cool stuff! Keep up the great work. :)

[@GiovanniBruno-ok7fh]

Thanks!

[@v0xl]

amazing work! that kind of gesture was always my favorite part of gnome! (really made me want to switch to gnome despite my craptop I currently have my linux install on being barely good enough to handle xfce)

[@TKRayder]

This is awesome! Great job! I rarely use virtual desktops on my desktop-computer though, but I use activities. The activity bar/switcher could use a similar amount of love! ;)

[@jaunie8217]

This!

[@Jopekos]

Great news 👏👏👏👏 with Nicco's ideas kde Plasma will evolve much more.

[@sebastianperez6124]

One thing I miss from the overview is how Gnome Overview applies image filtering to the window images so they don't look pixelated even when the image gets small, this is specially noticeable when viewing a spreadsheet or a text editor using a standard dpi display

[@Knifey_ZA]

Nicco, thank you so much for all the work you do. This looks amazing and I'm really looking forward to switching over to KDE as my daily DE.

[@MyurrDurr]

I love this new editing style :D

[@MartinAhlman]

Great work, even if I don't use KDE. I like it's fast development, and your work is amazing. I'm just more at home with the way Gnome is working, or more "obscure" ways of interacting with my computers. Gnome for work, experimenting for home. Keep up the great work!

[@matbru9193]

This is soooo cool. Great work

[@russjr08]

This looks absolutely stunning!

[@nekomantia]

Just today I saw a video about how gnome has combined overview ability with their beautiful app launcher (where one can once open launcher and drag all needed applications to different desktops to start work). Thank you for what you do for KDE!

[@orbatos]

I primarily use Gnome and the application launcher implementation is the worst part of the overview. It is buggy and slow on many systems and KDE actually has a similar launcher with superior behaviour, I just need it added to what we are seeing here.

[@nekomantia]

@@orbatos Thanks for your reply! I have installed KDE so everything I know about gnome is only from youtube videos xD I never tried it at real life. So thank you again for the info. But! What KDE launcher do you mean?

[@rt0mar]

Thanks

[@iusearch]

Father Niko... You are amazing!!!

[@iodreamify]

Thank you for your hard work!

[@diegodario1400]

Congratulations, great work man!

[@rouddy7448]

I really like this feature. The current solution is just horribly implemented and there is absolutely no way to turn off the touchpad gesture or remap it to something else. Will it have an option to disable hiding the taskbar? There is no need to hide the taskbar, and in GNOME it is possible to open pinned applications or applications in the appmenu by simply dragging them to the desired desktop

[@samuelitooooo]

This is one of two of my favorite things about GNOME, the other being the combined notification and calendar widget you get when you click the date in the center; that feels intuitive and looks great IMO. I also like the look of Libadwaita.

[@mr.nobody4672]

Dear Nicco, i want to say that as fellow Linux users we need more developers like you. Heck you're so good you made me switch to kde from my riced Gnome de. And i'm LOVIN' IT! Please keep up the good work😊 Edit: I use Arch btw.

[@dibyanshmohanta752]

Great work😍😍😍. Overview was the only thing forcing me to stay in GNOME .

[@trachinusdraco]

Thank you for your efforts. Switched back to kde few months ago.

[@pinkorcyanbutlong5651]

really nice, looks amazing tho the main thing I think it misses from the gnome overview, is the dock, on gnome you can simply drag an app from the dock or app grid to a desktop to open a window there (without closing the view), which I guess would be quite harder to do in plasma as the overview and launchers are separate components

[@Gregorius421]

Took and idea and made it even better 👍. And I love the enthusiasm with which you explain the technical solutions and the journey to get there❤

[@frankysour]

Nicely done! Really beautiful works 👍

[@MrDominosify]

Incredible work! I think this is what will make me switch to KDE! On question though - is it possible to make any work on customizing what TouchPad gestures do? I find it strange, that KDE, an extremely customizable DE, does not have any way to customize gestures.

[@MrWorshipMe]

I agree

[@Mfn77]

Definetely. If there could be at least just a finger number setting that would be enough for me.

[@yusufduzgun1891]

Thanks from Türkiye 🇹🇷 touchpad swipe workspace switch feels amazing.

[@df3yt]

Great stuff - you are right about it being the best Gnome feature. Please test on multi mon setups too as this is where KDE often has bugs

[@niccoloveslinux]

I only have one monitor, I'm afraid. Would you be up to donating me a second monitor?

[@psamaras]

@@niccoloveslinux That's a petty answer, IMHO. A TV, or a cheap monitor, is your choice to make. Well, if GUI development is not including MULTIPLE MONITORS and ACTIVITIES, how well would this development suite to a DE project? Rhetorical question, I guess... Nevertheless, IMHO, you should first make some design decisions, like replacing workspaces with ACTIVITIES, or the opposite, or deprecate Activities. Since you like Gnome design decisions, they use Activities as the name for both a workspace and a monitor.

[@glidersuzuki5572]

​@@psamaras how is that a petty answer? The devs need support too. It's easy to just keep demanding features without putting in any effort.

[@psamaras]

@@glidersuzuki5572 Nobody can demand anything from an Open Source dev. OTOH, Nicco suggests donations. Then, in some way, he has a (minor) profit. How he will choose to spend that income is absolutely a personal choice. He can choose to buy food. He can choose to buy a microphone for the videos. He can choose to buy a cheap monitor for the most show-stopper bug in Plasma. If he was not accepting donation, there would be no reason to call the answer as "petty". If this is not understandable, I am sorry. I am with Open Source and defending it, using it, promoting it, also creating software.

[@DennisSchmitz]

Gnome's overview is better than MacOS' even since it also acts as a search.

[@JanNeumann]

This is amazing. I'm just thinking that you didn't mention the ability to use the mouse scrollwheel to switch between which desktop is the one shown in the overview. Sometimes you have neither a touchpad nor a touch screen, you know :)

[@beshralghalil]

Man!!, You're really making KDE Plasma the best desktop.

[@HPerrin]

I tried to switch to KDE recently, and the lackluster overview is a big reason I couldn’t stay. The overview is so integral to my workflow. Once your work is in, I’ll have to try again. :)

[@rishabhsharma2188]

Now the only feature left in the desktop overview is the ability to increase the size of desktop bar. The default size is a bit smaller. Btw congratulations for your achievements.❤

[@vivianmason8867]

This is looking fantastic! I think with this that when kde 6 kits ill swap back from gnome

[@lgninjalo]

This is going to be a game-changer for my surface :)

[@PedroLucasbp]

Great Job Nicco! 🎉😊

[@dashmeshsingh564]

Awesome work!! I have one question though, could it be possible that the close button on the windows in the overview appears on the same side as on the titlebar?

[@s9209122222]

Could you also implement dynamic workspaces?

[@ChrispyNut]

Awww, was hoping it was dragging [top] panel grabs and drags applications. Yes, I'm still seriously missing that feature from Lattedock.

[@MyAmazingUsername]

Cool. Now all KDE is missing is a design that looks like a designer made it.

[@DennisSchmitz]

it's so inconsistent. Bezels especially look quite awful and wrong in most places.

[@MrWorshipMe]

Just don't make it a macOS clone.

[@MariuszWoloszyn]

When using grid display both! At top and on left! It makes sense and let's you orient perfectly.

[@rafael_tg]

Very nice. Loved the new Overview. Which version of kde is it expected to launch?

[@giganticyufka]

Thanks Nico I love this effect 🙏

[@oscs4556]

Plasma already got a grid view - ctrl+f8. To me, the overview in plasma works very similar to macOS Mission Control.

[@BehradJi]

That is what I wanted for a long time, the overview in gnome is what makes me switch to gnome every once in a while, but after 30 minutes miss all the kde plasma features and switch to that again!

[@StephanSchutter]

Another really good thing to work on would be to make the online accounts control panel actually do something? Like make contacts appear in the contacts app, email being set up, to do showing up on the to do app etc.

[@dermond]

thats really a nice work, i would now considarate switching to plasma if this is implemented on plasma 6

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

I have the same thing, if I light a fire I can't stop it... then when you finally made your way to bed you run downstairs to write "one more line"!

[@pedro.arce.m]

13:00 it should close the overview if youre already on the desktop that you click (like in gnome)

[@hariharan4059]

3:43 you can change that like rofi like a rectangular box without any background blur IMO

[@samganji6987]

Great changes. Yes, please instead of clearing the desktop on search, add a transparent layer/box

[@keyboard_g]

Its interesting that such big feature sets get merged together. I would expect all the different things that you covered to be their own bespoke merges.

[@HikingFeral]

I dual boot Kubuntu with Gnome on Debian so I add a few extensions to vanilla gnome. I love the multitouch gestures to go to the overview and paired with a window panel similar to KDE and an auto hiding left panel like Ubuntu it's buttery smooth workflow. Managed to fully theme Gnome too just like KDE. Got to have my Sweet theme and Candy Icons.

[@N30Dr4g0n]

As much as I admire what you've done, The desktop cube that was ported over from Compiz was an awesome way of doing the same thing. I hate, HATE, that KDE decided to get rid of it. I used that for my default desktop switcher for years because I liked the way it worked. And now I can't because some KDE developer decided wrongly that no one uses that feature.

[@NicoDsSBCs]

Hi Nicco, great job with what you're doing. I'd love to see how you do all that. I'm an Armbian member/dev and I also make YT videos about Armbian. Armbian is Ubuntu and Debian based Linux for ARM single board computers. Our problem is that our devs knowledge often is limited to CLI/U-BOOT,/Kernel config... since most hardcore devs never use a desktop. I try to fix small things, but my knowledge doesn't go that far in desktop configuration. Biggest problem we've got is KDE. It is very buggy. This because of an issue between panfrost GPU driver and KDE. I've got no clue how to start fixing it all. We do have Gnome, XFCE4 and cinnamon working well. But I'd love to have KDE in shape too. If you know someone who would be willing to spend some time on this. I can arrange hardware when needed. There is also Armbian for x86, but that doesn't have the panfrost issue. Have a nice day, cheers. NicoD

[@garlicus]

What laptop is this? The Bezels look so good

[@saintswolfgang_]

Gnome has also a feature where the main monitor only has the virtual desktop so, the second or so monitors don't change to a different virtual desktop. just the one you want to.

[@mooseloose-r6e]

This is amazing! I was willing to learn qml to try and recreate this myself, but I never got started. Also suggestion/help: I found myself using the gnome overview to access the gnome panel with the quick settings whenever I was on a fullscreen video/app to quickly change volume or brightness. Is there any way I can help to add the plasma panel to the plasma overview (atleast as a toggle in the settings). I assume this would have it's own problems since the plasma panel is infinitely customizable and having to account more than one panel might be a problem. I did see the plasma panel in the plasma overview in earlier versions (5.24 I think) but was sad to see it go in the later versions :(

[@turbovlad]

This

[@vari4bled]

@@turbovlad Yes, the panels!!! that's a big part of Gnome overview and is always left out when people are talking about Plasma overview.

[@Maverick5x]

Thank you for this. The only thing i am missing form Gnome is workspace on primary or in other WMs, monitor-specific workspaces (virtual desktops)

[@brunob.8585]

Nice video and laptop, the edges are very thin, what do you use model? I looked at the link you put up, but the Aon models doesn't look like this.

[@rafaelpalmalima]

Great work! Plasma is the best DE in any OS 🤩

[@MichaelToddFutureTodd]

Brilliant, I was hoping the overview would be improved for Plasma 6.

[@svenbjorn9700]

Is there any way to use 3 fingers instead of 4? 3 is standard on Mac, Windows, and Gnome. That's the thing that made me leave KDE when I tried it recently.

[@niccoloveslinux]

3 fingers are for switching desktops

[@svenbjorn9700]

@@niccoloveslinux Are the benefits of diverging from the standard and blocking user choice worth the tradeoff though? If there was even a (buried, hidden) choice it wouldn't push users away...?

[@XxMoNsTeRXM]

@@niccoloveslinux I would certainly prefer using 3 fingers for getting into the overview over 4 fingers

[@niccoloveslinux]

@@XxMoNsTeRXM 3 fingers are required to switch between desktops

[@MrWorshipMe]

I too think it should be configurable.

[@JabberGabber]

Bravo! Please, make Plasma panel auto-resize width on content change. From there we can get rid of that old clunky editing bar by simply adding an on/off switch. Neat!

[@niccoloveslinux]

Er, the panel already changes on content resize

[@Perfinstals]

In the Desktop Overview why don't you dedicate a 1 cm line to the activities by putting the name and an icon ?to combine Activities, virtual desktops and gliglia in the Overviews ?

[@STiAT-DaSchurl]

That's great! Actually, I had the same decision as you did, I'll give Gnome a shot. Every time I wanted to switch back I really missed that one feature (and I'm using it in desktop mode). Using Gnome for a year now. I just find this method of switching windows a lot more comfortable so that "classic" switching by alt+tab or clicking a task bar didn't do anymore. Made me to keep using Gnome actually, every time I switched back to KDE I missed that exact feature. I'll give it a shot once released, that's for sure. Gnome grew on me now over the time for some things just are better implemented (mounting devices in example, I always ended up doing that in fstab in KDE, gnome-disks can do that properly), but I miss KDE features on the other hand (system tray would be one, and that KDE actually handles input a lot better when being in non-fullscreen windowed mode). My choice of desktop is mostly driven by my workflows, and switching back from Gnome to KDE with knowing how "nice and easy" switching between windows can be actually broke my workflow with KDE not having this possibility. And ye, I searched a long time - there is no comparable feature for my work Windows laptop, no tool or anything I could find implements this... drives me crazy. PS: I hope I can configure that one on the meta key... it's my main way of starting apps and switching windows, the way Gnome implemented that is really smart and good.