"I Watched The Finkelstein Convo" Destiny Confronts Leftist For Topic He Tried To Avoid

[@destiny]

PT 1 ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqjMYomuq8d5d8U

[@raquetdude]

Destiny, there’s a Marxist professor who watched your debate with Finkle and agreed with majority of your positions and even called out Finkle themselves and in articles. Search Chris Cutrone.

[@fmo94jos8v3]

I like to eat M&M's by the handful too >.>

[@fmo94jos8v3]

wuts this ASMR? lol

[@IPUTmyBALLSonYOURdrumset]

Ooooooh you read the SCOTUS decision from the first to last page! This matters not if you don't have the mental fortitude to comprehend what you are reading.

[@Sharkfatherbean]

Says he likes Finklestein as an agitator Cannot name a single other time finklestein has acted in such an agitator role. B A S E D.

[@Narcissistic_Penguin]

Just like the second police idea... he makes this shit up as he goes

[@JeyPeyy]

True sigma behaviour

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

To be fair, you only need 1 example to say you like it😂

[@Narcissistic_Penguin]

@@RubenO.-tz5vv I'm not gonna re-watch the video to check (so I might be wrong) but I'm pretty sure he said he "sees" Shrinklestein as an agitator.. not just that he enjoys him as one. This implies repeated moments of agitation.

[@swordyshield]

@@mroctober3583 I haven't seen any content from this guy outside of this and the last destiny vid with him but it sure seems like he hasn't actually done barely any research into any of the things he claims he has(or just hasn't researched much into topics he has very strong conviction of) and then acts super smug and arrogant when literally anything comes up at all. Then though when challenged he realizes he doesn't know what he is talking about so he pivots off or tries to change what was actually said and then at the end pretends he is super good faith and there are just a couple of small differences in opinions and that he still has validity for believing in what he does (despite almost every claim he makes getting proven to be wrong/not true in full)

[@tobiastalks1070]

"i watched the Finkelstein discussion" turns into "i watched a 20 minute clip" This seems indicative of everything with paul. "Im very knowledgeable" really means ive heard about it once or twice

[@JustinBorowski13]

He's read every philosophical treatise that matters. Just don't ask him about them. Trust me bro

[@jaegybomb]

I know Kant. Not his ideas but his name.

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

I just Kant with this guy

[@SubzeroBlack68]

@@jaegybomb What he really meant to say is "I Kant read "

[@MisterS.]

"I've read every single book" 20 minutes later "You know man, I want to apologize for making it sound like I've read every single book"

[@SubzeroBlack68]

What he says: "I read Kant." What he meant: "I Kant read."

[@Dark_Tesla]

Lmfao

[@bazooka712]

Insurrection is when I read twitter threads on Destiny

[@lordmew5]

I don't know why that actually made me laugh out loud

[@riteshyeddu]

lmaoooo

[@poisondrationality]

Lol they made that joke on onion nuggets(paul, tjs, and scottys weekly show)

[@SSStylishCombo]

the man walked back almost everything when pressed, questioned why it was important at multiple points, then reasserted his original stance at the end. the man has learned nothing.

[@Mrbg123]

In like 2 days?? Of course.

[@hermithefrog629]

That describes everything going on with the pro palestinian side lol

[@marthfan]

Why are you acting like a conversation with a fucking stoner is a victory? How is this anything but pathetic, Destiny dragging a guy from the fucking drunken peasants begging him to agree that finklestein was a big unprofessional meanie. This whole this was embarrassing to watch

[@RexDolo]

It’s not my wallet

[@kingkarlito]

it's wild how guys like him will completely fail to defend a single opinion they have while also saying things like "my argument is very clear very concise my voice my tone is very kind of forward and aggressive that's what I do but then a lot of people go like oh stop dude you're being defensive I'm like I mean dude like isn't that what this is"

[@AngeredPally]

Interesting; Paul does the Kelly Jean thing of making a claim, getting absolutely cornered with evidence, then going "well, I don't know why it really matters in the first place" or "I don't know why this is a big deal" or "I don't know why you are so fixated on this thing" trying to minimize his "loss", even though his conviction was high when making the claim.

[@BullMooseLib]

They are both incredibly manipulative. Stakes out a strong, wild position, is confronted on said position, acts like a victim and minimizes arguments, evidence, or their own actions.

[@amaruandujar]

Trying to minimize the L destiny is trying to revise from history through misinformation

[@KonoGufo]

@@amaruandujar What fucking 'L'? The one Paul took for six straight hours, uninterrupted?

[@amaruandujar]

@@KonoGufo the one norm finklestein gave him that lives rent free in his head

[@BullMooseLib]

@@amaruandujar Revise history how? What parts of history did Destiny revise?

[@originoflogos]

The best part of the conversation was when Paul would engage with Destiny’s questions regarding Finkelstein’s performance on Lex Fridman but once Paul would make an assertion that was either false or flawed Destiny would say something like “Okay, well I’ll show you evidence that disproves that” and instead of engaging with it Paul would then say “why do you even care what I think about Norm Finkelstein or how he performed?” He falls back on that pivot a few times lol. Maybe, Paul, if you think it’s weird to talk about this with Destiny-or that it’s pointless-maybe stop engaging with that topic and ask to move to something else??? Lol Nah. Paul is only interested in following an argument if he thinks he can get a “win” out of it. But once he recognizes he’s out of his depth when Destiny is about to show how erroneous his arguments are he just tries to argue how ridiculous the conversation was from the very beginning! Nice strategy!

[@MrAgnosticman]

I think this is the issue with people who say they are talking and arguing on behalf of the Palestinian people. It seems to be a group of people who all rely on the same thought processes and ways of going about a deep conversation. They tend to make an assertion on something, but when you go down line of questioning to either confirm the truth of the assertion or counter it with your own, they don't have anything to back it up besides cherry picked examples, arguments from emotion, or other informal fallacies. The goal seems to me is to make an assertion and hope that nobody disagrees or examines the claim past a surface level examination.

[@JRuni0r]

My favourite part was when Paul tried to compare Finkelstein's behaviour on a podcast he didn't watch by pointing out that Destiny had a quick quip against Milo during an unhinged 'debate'. Buddy... What kind of "Yeah but...!" Was that?! PaulsEgo has given us all enough reason to laugh at and ignore him but when he pulled that card I just couldn't believe it. That and... The man is basically the 50+ version of the kid in first year Uni who was too dumb to participate in any interesting conversation and would try to derail every topic so that he didn't feel left out. Unless you have certified debate OR you're in front of Congress then there can't possibly ever be an expectation of seriousness. PaulsEgo likes to brag about his Special Forces super soldier Dad... I hope he's lying about him because I couldn't imagine he's proud of his dumbfuck son.

[@ARAFELI]

The fact that his whole point is that he ficlasthin won because his insults were good, it's so childish.

[@jokersdemise]

Paul has been outpaced, Egotectually.

[@The_True_Boo_Radley]

Which is surprising considering he has read every single book by Stephen King.

[@knifetoucher]

Imagine goofing on Destiny's last name when your last name is Fecalstain

[@danielsurvivor1372]

That was foul comment but well deserved 😂

[@trippyliquids]

fecalstank

[@Majorwindy]

@@m.j.e.5245 Norm and the Ukraine war are great litmus tests that have come about in the last few years. Anyone that defends Russia or Norm have become increasingly unhinged.

[@brianroth9175]

Wow, lmao Norm making a well thought out augment. Mr Fecalstein read a Wikipedia page, and learn something.

[@howdareyou41]

Imagine being Norman pretending to hate Destiny when you hate yourself 1000x more

[@Seaneey]

He immediately starts back peddling & gets upset when he got called out.

[@vseeley]

This entire thing is worse than high school drama. "I hEaRd WhAt YoU sAiD aBoUt Me!"

[@Seaneey]

@@vseeley What the high school drama part is Finkelstein is supposed to be a professional. He agreed to come debate on a very serious topic & immediately starts going crazy, like a high school student being obnoxious. Contributing nothing to a topic you claimed to study & support your whole life is wild.

[@WhatsUpWithIan]

Paul getting embarrassed for six hours by Destiny was something I never thought I’d see. Genuinely affected my opinion on him.

[@Seaneey]

Devastating

[@percilenis8464]

Paul has always been far less smart than he thinks he is

[@tonywoutrs]

​@@percilenis8464 he doesn't know much about the conflict, but atleast he let destiny take him through the history, humbled himself and tried to understand. Rather than learn all about and rigidly stick to a propaganda narrative, deny everything destiny says, as we've seen from others.

[@adrian-dragosbalaban6401]

​@@tonywoutrs how much he pivots shows me he's not really being genuine

[@KJC640]

This guy is really not that bad, at least comparatively

[@DontTouchEt]

Basement Guy "I know you used to be a big Kayne apologist" Destiny "a Kayne apologist?" Basement guy "not an apologist, you just listened to his music"

[@MATCHLESS789]

I heard his Destiny's great great grandpa was a Hitler apologist, well, he was one until Hitler's birth.

[@pennclick]

I don’t see the problem. I’m a defender of movies and a guardian of books too

[@enlightenednormie242]

Actual Retardation lol

[@-BLUE.]

This was pretty wild😂

[@Dark_Tesla]

As soon as I heard this my face contorted in disgust. Online leftists are the worst.

[@lightfeather9953]

"why are you asking me about my opinion that i just expressed?"

[@SuperGreat23]

Stop holding me accountable for my feelings thoughts and opinions. Its kind of uncharitable and inconvenient for me if you really think about it like a narcissist as how I do.

[@kingkarlito]

so delusional that he's so conflict avoidant and passive aggressive that he can't even grasp this or back up a single opinion he holds, yet somehow sees himself as "my argument is very clear very concise my voice my tone is very kind of forward and aggressive that's what I do but then a lot of people go like oh stop dude you're being defensive I'm like I mean dude like isn't that what this is"

[@innominatum9906]

@@kingkarlito ...but Paul literally sauced on Milo and caused his career to derail. Paul is an instigator and so is Finkelstein 😇

[@MMAGamblingTips]

As someone who actually sat and watched the entire five hour discussion, I cannot stand when people say, Norm Finkelstein dunked on Destiny. Norm actually embarrassed himself just like Paul did here.

[@Maelthorn1337]

Props man. That was HARD to sit through. At least with things like this, there's some enjoyment from second-hand frustration or embarrassment. With the Lex debate it was just 5 hours of disappointment, totally devoid of any substance.

[@Majorwindy]

Yeah I couldn’t really get through it. I had to watch D’s long reaction video to it so I didn’t have to go through it alone

[@Nightknight1992]

the insane part is that he admits to not watching even close to the entire debate, but also makes the strong claim that finklestein ''sauced'' on him...

[@Majorwindy]

@@Nightknight1992 nah bro, he said 20 minutes is a large chunk.

[@Majorwindy]

@@Nightknight1992 I guess the sarcasm didn’t come through. All good bro.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

"I don't want you or your chat to think I'm restarted" not going well Paul, really not going well...

[@oliverg.1537]

Who tf snitched on Paul? He's gonna have to watch himself on his weed hangouts from now on 💀

[@f3fe]

@@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheit the whole reason destiny grilled this guy was because he was having a sesh with his chat and talked shit saying finklestein sauced on destiny

[@Deadrum]

Absolutely hilarious lmfao

[@Narcissistic_Penguin]

Bröther, the Daliban are everywhere

[@cdubsb3831]

​@@Narcissistic_Penguin inshallah

[@Ennselo]

😭😭😭

[@skilltreegaming4055]

99% of people who say Finklestein washed Destiny didn't actually watch the debate. It's amazing.

[@midnight_commander]

This guy desperately wants his cake and eat it too. He wants to farm Destiny's clout by half glazing him, but he also wants the clout from shitting on Destiny behind his back. Typical snake progressive clout shark behavior. Truly is Great Value brand Vaush.

[@Gchildwarrior]

That is an insult to Great Value... He's the Wish version of Vaush

[@darkprototype5353]

​@@Gchildwarriorvaush pretty openly shits on destiny. Not sure the comparison works.

[@kylerashby1997]

Fat Thor hates this black woman a lot.

[@ightimmaheadout290]

Gaben from Temu

[@anubis7457]

Destiny’s dead inside voice makes me think of when a supervillain has decided to stop acting nice and he’s about to go full nuclear.

[@doublestarships646]

That's his edging voice

[@Maelthorn1337]

​@@doublestarships646we can still use that word?

[@doublestarships646]

@@Maelthorn1337 lol I guess

[@wal_rider8479]

you either die a legend, or live long enough to see yourself turn into a Nebraska Steve

[@NakedSophistry]

cringe

[@ankalagonchik]

"This was the last time I was good, never again" for the 1000 time, let's goo

[@B-Nice]

The old dude makes a good point, just because finkelsteen didn't bring up any facts, doesn't mean he didn't act like a loud toddler 🤷🏽‍♀

[@vseeley]

Which old dude? 😂

[@LeeChorch]

Hearing him act like Norm is this wild agitator Lex should have expected to act like that is WILD

[@MeNameDark]

Professional Agitator that brings his stack of self written agitation books on how he agitated Israel by writing about their history.

[@Assaut19283]

Remember, answering questions? Debating the facts of the matter? Naw son, that shit is WHACK. The real winner of a debate is how many one liners you can slide in without ever acknowledging what your opponent says!

[@vicariouschism86]

It's just agitation, bro!

[@Deadrum]

SAND!!!1!11!

[@WanderTheNomad]

"Facts don't care about your feelings, no matter how many times the woke mob tries to cancel me." 😎 "Please come back when you've done some research on this topic. It is not my job to educate you." 😌

[@nunyabusiness4718]

This could just be summed up as “mouth breather made shitty comments he wasn’t willing or able to defend”

[@infestedq]

What I got from it was a stoner does "research" while stoned, formed an opinion based on what he thought was funny, forgot what few details that did exist and now lets that feeling guide him devoid of context.

[@dannymorales5549]

I hate how common this shit is, "I watched the video" mfs are confident on their takes untill they have to argue their points and suddenly its "I didnt watch the full video" which means that they either watched half of it (I will guarantee you that this simply isnt the case because people that do this dont brag about watching the video) or they just watched 2 tik tok clips and called it a day

[@damedusa5107]

Same thing in everyday life. Majority of people get views on a sound bite or a headline. People vote that way also

[@origamiswann]

People are so confident in thier opinions until they gotta explain them

[@skyefox]

Hard to see Paul showing up as anything other than filling a wallet, his earlier comments of "you're kind of a career builder, with Hasan and Vaush huh" and comes in as some sort of loyal opposition after stating how long he's been a Destiny fan is pretty transparent.

[@NakedSophistry]

I mean he actually has been a fan for a while afaik. He's just intellectually fallow from locking himself in an echochamber for like a decade. Dude needs to do some debate legwork and let an actually cohesive worldview take form.

[@54amzaK]

When He says Norman sauced on him on that stream, It's obvious he's saying Norman substantively Destroyed him, not whatever he's saying now

[@dasenbevilacqua4715]

I mean you can't really know that

[@Deadrum]

Me when I get confronted about the things I say publicly 😶

[@jagerbradley]

They literally addressed this in the video, did you watch it?

[@Nattapong69]

I'm 31. And I remember PaulsEgo from like when I was 13 and watched TheAmazingAtheist lmao. Really surprised seeing him on this channel so many years later.

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

And still with 7k views 😂

[@davidg6108]

Same lol, Im 30 used to listen to dp. Now live in Jerusalem.. haha they would probably hate me now lol

[@trollingisasport]

This guy gives serious tip of the fedora/m'lady vibes.

[@0therwisesleep522]

For good reason. He's from the early KZbin atheist days

[@dontron6992]

He's literally one of the proto-atheist bros from the early 2000s so that absolutely tracks

[@howdareyou41]

Simpsons comic book store guy

[@Curlycopper]

​@@howdareyou41 dear god you're right

[@IncognitoAtreides]

Why does this ego guy sound so shady? It's like listening to a kid bullshitting his way through a quiz they didn't study for.

[@pennclick]

Answered your own question there

[@Deadrum]

The answer is yes, and the quiz is any question Destiny asks

[@21StaticXXSaint13]

Because he's a defensive conspirasist that takes offense to people meaningfully questioning him and ruining the narratives he wants to believe

[@bingbong1767]

I've been a fan of Paul since the dp days. Like 15 years ago. And what you are saying is exactly what he is. He used to be on to dunk on obvious morons. Which was always top tier content. Then he was made permanent and the more intelligent his opposition got, the more it made me cringe a little. He's genuinly a funny nice dude. But when politics come into play, irs almost 100% anecdotes or walked back takes that he holds to be true at the end of the debate.

[@doublestarships646]

I like how no one can defend Finkelstein like how he can't defend Palestine lololol

[@CourtneyHaynes]

Finkelstein got Destiny off his game, and he wasn't allowed to even make a solid point. Finkelstein didn't JUST agitate. He made actual arguments.

[@StackingGains]

@@CourtneyHaynes Destiny wrecked Finklestein. I actually watched the debate

[@CourtneyHaynes]

@StackingGains I watched the debate also, and anyone who says something like "Destiny wrecked Finkelstein" is tpp trapped in their ideological lens to be taken seriously. I think Norm's tactics rhetorically nuetereed Destiny, that is Destiny didn't even get a chance to expand upon his major points, and the points he did make were, I think, rhetorically ineffective and easily countered. But this is my opinion.

[@roachofdoom1234]

@@CourtneyHayneshe had no tactics other than crying about Wikipedia. It was pathetic. You need to wake up

[@CourtneyHaynes]

@roachofdoom1234 that's literally not true. And you are literally lying. He made actual points, and the fact that you cannot admit that indicates you're too emotionally immature to even analyze the debate properly.

[@wilddynamine8017]

Doesn’t surprise me that this strip mall intellectual who puts “ego” in his name can’t watch a full debate video or define a philosophical theory

[@B-Nice]

i'm convinced it's a reference to waffles

[@wilddynamine8017]

@@B-Nice it’s a reference to him hanging out in smoke shops, telling teenagers how the man sucks and both candidates are awful

[@nameunavailable-gp3ot]

Lol? Why does he need to know information he's made it clear he's read the books, and apparently that's all it takes !

[@Deadrum]

@@nameunavailable-gp3otyeah idk why these guys are all questioning his authority. They’ve probably never even read *checks notes* ….Stephen king ?

[@alexandrabogorad9207]

When I moved to the States I didn’t know what a “strip mall” was, so I assumed it was a regular shopping mall with a strip club inside. Which doesn’t seem wrong in this case.

[@reubenmcmurray4377]

I have no idea how you could say Finklestien had a good performance. It was one of the worst performances ive ever seen from a professional

[@booleah6357]

It was great for twitter. Not so great for someone who is supposed to be a respected professor and professional.

[@vseeley]

The reddit moderator attempting to claim that hes the sole reason for Milo's downfall, shows just how out of touch he actually is. He was getting so animated over that, like he knew that one question was the peak of his life 😂.

[@orpheus0108]

Tbh Milo's appearance on Drunken Peasants was the catalyst for his downfall

[@hibarikyoya854]

Wait did he really try to claim he's the reason for Milos downfall? I mean Milo did get clipped by media from the drunken peasants but Paul states Milo hanged himself again Paul's hypocrisy in full force

[@ChickenJoe12]

But if destiny had continuously pronounced Finklestein’s name wrong *purposely* throughout the entire debate, every Hamas supporter that has been praising Finklestein for doing it to Destiny- would be calling Destiny childish/ claiming he “had no real arguments” .. These people think so backwards I can’t even comprehend it..

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

Because it’s a team sport, all that matters is “bro my team won” That is all internet debate it most of the time

[@The_True_Boo_Radley]

After wholeheartedly endorsing the “Scaramucci” time unit, I’d like to put forth a new unit of time measurement called a “Finkelstein” or a “Fink” or better yet an “FU.” This unit of time, I propose, should be based on the amount of time it takes Norm to make a point, which - after consistent observation - I have concluded to be just under two days (To use a real world example to illustrate the duration of a Finkelstein, it would be correct to say that it takes 1 Fink. to cross the continental United States nonstop by car. That would translate to 45 hours.

[@Deadrum]

Damn my employers are about to be confused as fuck w me

[@afqWfwgwgrgwsewEfv]

Never trust a man who names his online persona after his ego.

[@vexamas]

August, I'd love to know if the dropoff of this video after like 10 minutes is higher than average. I can *barely* get through this from the second hand embarrassment, holy fuck

[@adrian-dragosbalaban6401]

Do you mean the timestamps(or lack thereof)?

[@Maelthorn1337]

​@@adrian-dragosbalaban6401this may be a joke that I don't understand, but I'll explain just in case you have any confusion. KZbinrs have access to analytics that show how long people actually watched the video. A surprisingly large number of people actually only watch a minute or so. Either that or they skip around looking for more interesting stuff. OP is curious to know if the watch time in this video is much shorter due to how insufferable this particular speaker is. Oh, and ayyyyy based dimsunk subscriber.

[@adrian-dragosbalaban6401]

@@Maelthorn1337 oh I got it now thanks. and baseddd dimsunk enjoyer. I'll also recommend Steve Pruitt if you're into drumming, especially jazz, just because of how under the radar he's cruising. dude's got some really nice drum solos

[@Maelthorn1337]

@@adrian-dragosbalaban6401 I have to check him out! I'm always open to listening to new music.

[@BullMooseLib]

Nvm, I've 180'ed my stance, Paul is genuinely manipulative.

[@bingbong1767]

But he single handedly ended Milo's career with his s tier ways of agitation.

[@curtisyue182]

Imo, he’s kind of just immature. He goes with his gut a lot more than you’d expect for a leftist. And it’s because he admittedly thinks like “a normie”. He’s all fun and games until he’s talking to the brutally calculated mind of an autist like Steven. Then he looks goofy.

[@Gaelisk]

Destiny has a problem with how a person, who was invited to a formal debate, conducted himself in said debate. His behaviour was, to summarise, childish and not up to the standard you'd expect from someone with his credentials. Paul, on the other hand, doesn't see a problem with this because he is biased towards Finkelstein. His favouritism in this conversation is exhausting, honestly. The whataboutisms too. This is my analyses on this based on 20 minutes. Let's see if it holds up to the end. EDIT So now he's going to watch the entire thing to see if it changes his mind which is good, but he's adamant what he did was acceptable as an "Agitator". The point he's failing to realise, though, is that it should be substantive agitation, which it wasn't. Paul is one of those guys that is "Stuck in his ways", evidenced by how he brings up being "old school" and citing his age as evidence of experience. Even going as far to try and make points with "I'm older than you" previously. I don't see him changing his mind, but who knows...

[@SuperGreat23]

Let me give you a hint, he's not going to watch it all. Just like he never actually reads it all.

[@elonmusthostmemereview5264]

Appealing towards seniority is such a weird thing for him to do. What’s their difference in age, 6-8 years? I’m sure Destiny today would’ve done just as well against Paul w/ 8 years less of weed brain damage

[@NakedSophistry]

Reminds me of the AVGN shit talking his teachers from college in an autobiography from like 20 years later, clearly never having learned anything. Paul should stick to podcasting, cause politics ain't it. He did kinda dunk on Veesh tho

[@Beenhereforyears]

Pauls “Fair Enough” Ego

[@raquetdude]

Have seen a Marxist professor react to the Finkle debate and he ends up agreeing with Destiny more than Finkle. Chris Cutrone is the name of the Marxist professor that is highly critical of Finkle. He wrote a short piece titled “Alternative to Genocide” also

[@humanmerelybeing1966]

It would be interesting to get them to talk directly. I feel Destiny actually would be inclined to agree with Marxist historical materialism as he tends towards that more systematic or structural way of thinking.

[@raquetdude]

@@humanmerelybeing1966 it would given that Cutrone is highly critical of both the modern left alongside Stalinism and Maoism. Cutrone does a podcast with a socialist that Destiny talked to a few years ago once.

[@speakaboutdestruction]

For someone who literally named himself Paul's Ego, you'd think he'd be even slightly self-aware. Nope.

[@Helper800]

You know what? Paul might be all that he has been shown to be, but at the minimum, he should be given credit for engaging more than 99% of people who talk with Destiny. Most people who talk to him get dunked and then read the video title of that segment get so assmad they never talk to Destiny again, meanwhile Paul came right back in, did not take it super personal and continued to engage at least a bit. I can respect that a little.

[@swordyshield]

I just hard disagree, I think he is leaching(maybe a stretch) and does not actually try to engage at all. It's why when challenged he immediately backs off (or fails to provide a proper argument) but then proceeds to go straight back to his original position.

[@Helper800]

@@swordyshield I personally just think he's an idiot. Don't attribute to motive what can be explained by stupidity.

[@potmeetkettle]

Is it truly “engaging” when he evades every question and changes every goal posts, or is it just trying to gain clout by being on his channel?

[@dustinpatsios554]

Paul paul brain as smooth as a ball

[@afqWfwgwgrgwsewEfv]

Bro faked technical problems to run away from tough questions lol

[@SuperGreat23]

Faked a technical issue, and took those few seconds of a lapse in getting called out to completely change the subject. Very much Kelly Jean like.

[@CountingHouse]

French Vanilla Situation

[@ethan-scott]

I never once thought we’d see a PaulsEgo arc. Worlds colliding. Two phases of my political history 😅

[@justaname109]

This about sums up the discussion: Destiny: How of much the debate did you watch? Paul: Most of it Destiny: How much is “most” Paul: 6.667%

[@CisternRumblings]

The fact that the only thing he brought up was that Finkelstein said Destiny's name wrong says everything you need to know. It's all they ever cite about the debate lol.

[@poggersgotabigcodpgabc]

Paul comes off as so whiny even when Destiny even just says something. Paul immediately uses his earth bending abilities to create a wall between them.

[@ZuziFox]

You know what? When Destiny asked if he ever made fun of a person like that when he was debating and I immediately recalled the call with Ayola in which he did mispronounce her name many times to make fun of her. So yeah, even though it was not a formal debate when Destiny asked the question he did not specify if it was supposed to be a formal debate so ....Ayila was probably the first to get hit, karma lol

[@3magikarpinamansuit281]

This guy has such mask off moments where he admits such horrible things about himself and he does it so boldly and comfortably.

[@kennan6176]

What has he said?

[@jamesbucks7967]

Paul: "This is something you're going to learn about me if we talk more... I think every situation, ESPECIALLY situations that play out in the PUBLIC and involve BIG TOPICS benefits from having an agitator involved" Destiny: 'So you think it's appropriate for an agitator to be involved in public testimony by college presidents?' Paul: "You arguing with Norm Finkelstein is not a public proceeding" Never have I seen goalposts shifted this quickly

[@GreeGraa]

I love watching Mr. Borrelli get sauced on 😩😜

[@PatrickOMulligan]

dude got routed.

[@benlee7565]

Hawt.

[@tyewilliams7113]

I love seeing Mr, Bonello covered in sauce.

[@indicted_ham_sandwich]

Buckets of sauce

[@R3kolas]

Vaush calling paulsego brett keane is fucking OMEGALUL

[@davidg6108]

lol havnt heard brett keane in 10 years lol. Wow I used to be dp fan. Lol such wierd story arc paulsego becoming palebro

[@orpheus0108]

Using twitch emotes in a KZbin comment section is pretty odd

[@XXLiquidcyanideXX]

I didn't believe it when I heard it but he literally is turning into the manatee. 2 face was right, die a hero or turn old and shiddy

[@Bori.1776]

This dude is actually a joke. From “I watched the debate” to “I watched a 20 minute clip” such a joke and that’s exactly how these progressive types move.

[@p00nski.gaming]

45:55 This whole portion was absolutely idiotic. "I don't see him that way!!!"

[@JackWalker_7]

"I didn't choose to come on, you invited me to come on." Bro don't accept the invite you still had a choice in that matter

[@FKProds]

"Why do you care so much about the facts?" I have decided those are the words Paul spoke.

[@handoverheels5483]

Was anyone else a huge Drunken Peasants fan back in the day when it was hosted by TJ, Scotty and Paul? That was such a fun era and I'm glad to see that Paul is still around. Holy fuck does anyone remember Brett Keane, Gail Cord Schuler and Gman? Now that I think about it, Drunken Peasants was my first exposure to this type of internet debate.

[@bigbeefposter]

Just watching some brett keane compilations the other day. Some great time

[@chungusamongus69]

Same here. Wonder what G-time Johnny is up to.

[@captainbeefheart5815]

I check up on Brett, Gail, and Gman once in a while. I also check up on TJ, Paul, and Scotty once in a while, but they're really annoying now that they're radical leftists. Lucky that I found Destiny right around the time that ship was sinking.

[@gregapirc7020]

i used to watch Paul's stories when i was like 14... good times

[@AspiringDevil]

I did a bit but I preferred the episodes with Billy the Fridge more

[@ScholarVisual]

Even though I do disagree with Destiny on Israel/Palestine. I think Finkelstein did a terrible job in that debate. His constant insults didn't help his case. It was embarrassing.

[@captainbeefheart5815]

What do you disagree with Destiny on related to the Israel-Palestine conflict?

[@KonoGufo]

@@captainbeefheart5815 Probably something they heard about in a meme lol

[@elic2575]

@@captainbeefheart5815I hold the same opinion as scholarvisual. I think you have to be intentionnaly bad faith, or not be educated on the subject to believe Finklestein had a good performance. The whole debate Destiny raised substantive questions and arguments which Norm consistently failed to adress. Here are my many disagreements with Destiny on israel-palestine: Destiny is to forgiving of Israels complete lack of care for civilian casualties as long as they get to eliminate a few hamas dudes. Destiny fails to understand that the environnement israel creates in gaza with the goal of eliminating hamas only makes hamas more popular in the region. Therefore the ear against hamas is not a real solution in any way. Destiny is to reliant on Israels narratives strengths and doesnt talk much about where Israel looks the most condemnable: The west banks settlements are unacceptable, you cant be bombing gaza and moving people in the west bank at the same time. Destiny doesnt mention enough how it is (however frustrating it is) israels job to extend a path towards peace. However he does say the situation cannot continue and israel needs to put a foot forward (i just think he fails to talk about it often enough)

[@elic2575]

@@captainbeefheart5815 Ill also add a disagreement i have on a historical argument ive seen him made in defense of zionism: There is no doubt in my mind that zionism exists for a reason and that jews wanting their own state back in the early 1900 was entirely justified, issue is while other places than palestine were brought up during the world zionists organisation the group pushing for these places were later on dismissed on the basis that palestine was sacred land. Therefore the claim that israel was established as a means for survival loses strength since other locations were dismissed in favor of the sacred land. Which makes the first settlements way less justifiable. Theres probably more but off the top of my head these are the ones ive got. Again, if u understood what the people on the lex debate were talking about you would see that finklestein sucked, not because he didnt know the facts, but because he never used any. Regardless of your position of the israelo-palestinian conflict, imagine if neil degrass tyson had a space physics debate and everytime a layman asked him a good question about it, he simply called him a moron and refused to seriously answer, although i would most likely agree with neil on astrophysics, i wouldnt say he did good in any way.

[@snortymcsnortface]

I didn't know Vaush's dad had started streaming.

[@kronaperthro]

It's the same thing people said about Paul when he debated Vaush the first time. That he's a doomer Vaush from the future. 😂

[@SpinalAlloy]

This guy feels like boogie2988's evil twin

[@PEZ1514]

The discord mod maybe able to win the debate if he used his fedora.

[@Kamingo170]

That's PaulsEgo lol he's not just some random. Do research before you comment next time.

[@aelfgernon7729]

He hid his power level on the coat-rack.

[@iventhompson2443]

I am so confused how any of these people are so certain of themselves. Information is so readily available, if you don't know something, say you don't know then look it up and find out. Easy

[@lilthreadd]

easy if you live in reality. if you live in fantasy it's even easier to change the facts to fit your beliefs

[@jeromedarnell6270]

I have seen hundreds, if not thousands, of comments on the Norm/Destiny debate. I have not seen *ONE* person cite areas where Norm was correct and Destiny was wrong. They seem to determine who wins a debate by who has to resort to making fun of the other person's name. This is compelling logic, for them. It's a wild sort of cope.

[@supershot9729]

It's insane to watch in real time

[@kristienwhitney-johns5863]

I legitimately want these two to have another conversation

[@bean-pod]

I still can't believe people think Fracklestain "performed well" in that debate. His behavior was absolutely disqusting

[@rexvectum]

It's so wild people believe he smoked just because they believe he's a mega expert genius and they believe that basically just because he says so lol

[@howdareyou41]

Destiny says a fact. Norman laughs and calls Desinty a dumb name Destiny doesn't get upset by it. Benny Morris says Destiny is right about those facts Norman laughs and calls Destiny another name Pauls Ego, wow!!! Norman crushed that debate!

[@Domcreator]

Although I disagree with some of what Paul says, I think he's a pretty smart and chill guy

[@dougbound-jb2pv]

What did he say that made you think he is smart?

[@Domcreator]

@@dougbound-jb2pv the problem you’re having is not comparing him to actual braindead people destiny talks to, this guys is nothing like those people.

[@neworderadherent]

@@Domcreator Agreed, don't listen to the redditors in the youtube comments.

[@powerfulaura5166]

agreed

[@dougbound-jb2pv]

@@Domcreator You've not brought up anything he said, so I assume you have nothing?

[@TheRealPain9]

PaulsEgo, the champion of backpedaling

[@chungusamongus69]

DORN WHERES MY MAC AND CHEESE SITUATION

[@zogfotpik8848]

Brett is probably giddy with Paul's trajectory. Dorne too

[@Deadrum]

Never getting tired of this

[@hntrbdnspns]

@@Deadrumafter so many years it’s like brand new!

[@davidg6108]

@@zogfotpik8848 is he still alive lol hahahaha

[@bingbong1767]

"Oh dorn thanks for the chili.....hm....no cheseee?" Another classic

[@ARAFELI]

Paul getting dunked by destiny was an amazing watch. He was fun in DP but after the group broke up, he became such an anniying doomer, and he ruined the other podcast for me.

[@360Fov]

I feel Destiny comes off a bit unhinged here. I totally understand him thinking "fk this, im standing my ground", but this was low hanging fruit with low reward and low stakes, so it just comes off as Destiny being a tad bit petty... even though he's not specifically being petty.

[@powerfulaura5166]

norm scarred him lol, he needs thicker skin

[@blackmateo9583]

Its because he just genuinely cant come to terms with the fact that dumbass Norm literally views him as a joke, and treats him as a joke, compared to everyone else he interacts with. That dot just can’t connect in his head sadly.

[@swordyshield]

I think destiny is 100% in the correct for what he is doing. Norm was clearly acting like a clown (even admits it in interviews after as shown) yet people still believe that norm crushed destiny. People will also claim to have watched the entire debate and then when pushed almost always end up resulting in "Oh I've seen some clips, or only some small portion" yet even when destiny asks for ANY example of this, they fail to provide. Then they still refuse to change their position. Sure it's "low hanging fruit" but with how many fruit there is, it needs to be challenged.

[@jgofimusic]

Destiny's on his schizo ark rn

[@danielfincher8439]

I am so glad you brought him back. I had gained a little respect for him by the end of the last one. Thanks for allowing him to disabuse me of that.

[@Jacqueline888]

i saw a clip of this on tiktok and the suggested search was “destiny gets humbled” LMAOO (there were no examples under the search)

[@bennettvanpelt1277]

The irony of him debating Destiny on whether or not they were debating or having a conversation was pretty good

[@neworderadherent]

No hate to this guy, he's better than the majority of people Destiny brings on. Ofcourse the redditors in the comments will always be toxic basement dweIIers

[@dougbound-jb2pv]

This guy is the prototypical reddit basement dweller

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

47:12 the amount of ass takes is remarkable. Bro is stuck in debater troll mode. Literally refusing to concede no matter what inform is presented. Steven is "just some YT guy", and Finkelstein is unserious normally. That's remarkable. I see Steven is just content milking, trying to eek out a concession but dude is real not worth bothering with, bc he has his stance.

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

What a weasel

[@legionarysteve8961]

The amount of times Wario Vaush misses the point and goes on a rant about something nobody argues is alarming. I never heard Destiny say “let me back up” so many times.

[@howdareyou41]

34:40 if you agitate Paul enough I bet he'll just start giving you the plot to IT

[@tripplejaz]

In the future, if Destiny finds himself against a Norm Finkelstein type again, he should start acknowledging the behavior as embarrassing and unserious. Just call out what's happening.

[@Deadrum]

14:35 “ *because of me* “ this mf can’t be real

[@Nirvashicus]

The actual actual comment that ruined milos career was when Ben re-asked the question more succinctly. That is the clip everyone circulates. And I have found it funny that no one anywhere has ever attributed DP to this moment. If Paul could get past his "ego" enough to build this bridge more, he might have another chance at a Milo moment.

[@WanderTheNomad]

holy fucking shit, the way Destiny is talking to this guy is exactly how I've been wanting his conversations with various people about various things to go. The type of conversation style that those who enjoy blood sports would call too passive, and those who are easily offended would call too aggressive. But it really just goes straight towards whatever the point of curiosity is.

[@WanderTheNomad]

And holy shit, another thing Destiny does at around 37:00 He hasn't read the entire article, but he doesn't have to, because most people would agree that it wouldn't be a fair expectation to talk/argue about something that was just shown to them and that they haven't read, and actually reading it would take time that the other person would have to wait for, which usually never happens. So instead he first generalizes the situation into the topic of "changing my mind with an article" and describes his thought process when experiencing similar situations, then instead of assuming what's in the article, comes up with 2 possibilities of what _might_ be in the article, and how he would respond differently to those different possibilities. This type of conversation style also focuses a lot on understanding what and how the other person is thinking, as well as letting them know as clearly as possible what your thought process is, so both can come to a common understanding, even if they both end up still disagreeing with each other. Please god don't let this conversation style be a one-off thing.

[@WanderTheNomad]

He did still interrupt Paul a lot during this convo, but Paul has also done that a lot in their previous convo, and that doesn't seem to be a major problem for either of them. Just something to bring up to the other person when they have something to say and it happens to one of them too many times in a row.

[@swordfishey]

I really look forward to his response after watching the full 5 hour finklestein debate.

[@SuperGreat23]

I wouldn't hold your breath, this dude can barely acknowledge when hes wrong or doesn't know anything - and you think his ego is going to allow for being wrong for 5 hours without clout or an audience?

[@zacharyjones2273]

Its amazing how people just throwing "im the shit energy" dissaapears real quick lol.

[@drewjensen2798]

“I didn’t clip chimp” then admits to watching only 20 minutes lol

[@TurtleShellProductions]

Destiny's live chat looks like cancer

[@seanmurphy7953]

The fact that destiny is still this salty is a non stop win for finkelstein lol

[@Draven1895]

Thanks Steven, you’ve given me a lot to think about

[@kristienwhitney-johns5863]

13:55 the Milo chat was when Paul still had his velvet smooth voice. So it's not a shock people don't believe it was him, he sounds so different

[@kronaperthro]

And when he was only a little pessimistic and still had some personality outside of his doomerism.

[@DistractedArachnid]

It's pretty unfathomably stupid to not believe him to me. It's something that is instantly verifiable on this here internet thing we're using. It would be weird to try and get away with a lie like that.

[@gucciburg]

This guy PaulsEgo was actually one of the very first social/political commentators on KZbin in 2007 and it’s almost guaranteed that any content creator you can think of wasn’t on the radar.

[@kronaperthro]

So was Brett Keane...lol

[@neworderadherent]

Hopefully this bridge will flourish and won't be destroyed later down the line. This guy is interesting

[@skillcosby3095]

paulsego had some of the best early youtube videos back in the day. TheAmazingAtheist really did a number on him.

[@shaymeshulam8502]

Now that destiny have a direct link to T.J kirk a convo between them has to happen it going to be epic content.

[@thesuperostrich]

Would love to see it

[@XXLiquidcyanideXX]

He kind of wasted his time with Paul, and it would be interesting to see tj on here

[@note4note804]

Dude getting so defensive hes having to defend his whole personality as, "Bro ive always had an annoying tone that makes people think im an asshole and instead of improving or changing i just doubled down on being an asshole online because i got Milo to says something dumb once."

[@Tehanimekidd]

The reason PaulsEgo likes agitators is because he is one, and he's inflating his own ego. But that is a weak trait, as it has no substance. Being an agitator for the sake of is just being a douchebag