Internet CUT OFF During Election In Pakistan

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[@magnus_cockstrong]

It is heartening that people in Pakistan by and large seem to believe in democracy.

[@PakBallandSami]

Yes we do but dude to corruption, some people are really have been disillusioned by democracy, like I had some family friend saying we need something like Iran type system, hopefully it will never happen

[@magnus_cockstrong]

@PakBallandSami similar to the US. The combination of laisez faire capitalism and representative democracy seems ripe for corruption. This could be addressed through work place democracy, but that would require defeating corporate power. That said, democracies are corrupt when they stop serving the people, but at least they are designed to serve the people. An autocracy will never be corrupt, because it isn't designed to serve the people in the first place. It's designed to control the people in service to the dictator.

[@bobjones2959]

@@PakBallandSami Not that I think telling them this will help at all, but realistically speaking the less democratic a society is, the more corrupt it will be since there are less guardrails on power and less accountability to the public. Pakistan is currently a flawed democracy, military plays a big role in politics. The solution to corruption is more democracy, not less.

[@atm1947]

@@PakBallandSami I don’t think an Iran type system will ever come about in Pakistan, because the military is a much more powerful political bloc than religious fundamentalists and clergy. The Pakistani military and ISI have massive influence over the politics of Pakistan. If democracy is so unstable and easily threatened, they will seize power as they have in the past. Not to say that the Pakistani military does not have some fundamentalist sentiments, but the PAF by and large have ruled as militaristic autocrats rather than theocratic islamists. I too hope that neither of these things ever happen, but the military has so much power in the Pakistani state, and instability seems to be on an ever upward trend.

[@Tronscrolls]

@@PakBallandSami I think they were being sarcastic lmao

[@zaidabraham7310]

At least Pakistan has a prominent Tekken community

[@billclockwell]

So I didn't realise how complicated this was until heard him trying to make sense of it basically: PDM is not a party, it was a coalition of the 2nd and 3rd largest parties to form government, plm-n and pppp, they both don't like eachother very much so are both separately vying for power, and are historical the most successful parties, since their Shebaz Sharif the head pml-n became PM However in Pakistan elections are supervised by an appointed caretaker government for 90 days( five months this time around...), who is currently "incharge" Shebaz Sharif is not running for PM again because his more popular older brother Nawaz Sharif is back from exile and cleared of charges weeks before the election( and months after when the constitution states it should be held...) He has declared himself victor as yesterday as his party has the most seats in Parliament, but he quite a few less then the independent identified with PTI, no one has a clear majority

[@dantedavis4679]

Well in Pakistan you rarely see majorities and the independents are all members of pti but Supreme Court stripped the party of election status they aren’t independent in the same way someone in the states is an independent

[@genghisdingus]

Pakistan has nukes FYI...

[@therabbi9848]

Do they have IBMs as well? Just curious

[@friedsugar2701]

And they keep making more, they're upto 200 now And without Nukes they'd been crushed by foreign powers

[@tylerhackner9731]

Democracy is good

[@archyneverpicked]

Source?

[@Purjo92]

@@archyneverpicked There is a huge correlation between democracy and the country's prosperity per capita terms and citizens' well-being. Sure there are some outliers like rich oil-producing countries in the Middle East but I cannot get any example on my mind of a rich autocratic country that doesn't excel in resource extraction or isn't a tax haven or banking center like Singapore.

[@archyneverpicked]

@@Purjo92 thanks bro

[@petrorlov2599]

@@Purjo92My feeling is that first countries become rich and then they become democratic, not the other way around. A certain amount of prosperity, strength of the government and a degree of respect for the institutions are paramount to make democracy feasible.

[@thelouster5815]

@@Purjo92Woke propaganda. Democracy is Dumbocracy. Facism is Facisonable.

[@MaryyamFatima]

Pretty sure you will not read this, but here it goes: 1) Military DID have a high approval rating (considered less corrupt compared to every politician ever), however, last two years, they have lost the mandate completely. Public opinion has shifted so far against the army as it's being seen as the most corrupt fascist entity in Pakistan due to the events that unfolded (of which there are too many to list) in just the last year alone 2) Khan is NOT a despot. He has been the ONLY non-corrupt politician in power that Pakistan has had for decades. Pakistan has very poor internal structures in place for government systems due to rampant corruption and systematically eradicating or reducing corruption will takes decades (so ingrained in the society at every level). However, many people try and point fingers at Khan's government for being inept because it couldn't curb the corruption (as though it's something that can be done by turning a switch on). 3) Khan is the most popular leader in all of Pakistan with over 60% approval rating (this is superrrrr high) 4) Khan was in power during the COVID crisis and handled it with finnesse while decreasing the national debt, increasing tourism and investments, increasing awareness for climate change while simultaneously starting initiatives such as the Ten Billion Tree Tsunami (planting ten billion trees across Pakistan in strategic areas to reduce the effects of desertification and pollution), Khan started a pseudo universal healthcare for less income families, opened countless shelter homes for poor and homeless individuals just to name a few things he did in his short time in office 5) The Sharif and Zardari families are so corrupt, their examples are given in textbooks around the world (even in documentaries and leaks pertaining to offshore money laundering), mush less the respect (read total disgust and hate) they receive from Pakistanis. The Army keeps propping up one of these buffoons to be figureheads while keeping their fascist control of the country 6) This current election was so badly rigged that it's laughable and has disheartened millions of Pakistanis 7) Pakistan has been undergoing brain-drain for the last two years in record numbers as every educated individual is running out of the country due to the lack of future prospects in a country so steeped in corruption with no law and order, no democracy and no self-respect. He who has the biggest stick is the king of the jungle in the circus that is now what is left of a country called Pakistan.

[@jhonshephard921]

About Khan its a huge lack of information here. American media keeps saying Imran Khan is like the former guy(I refuse to use his name, he is like Lord Voldemort) and media like CNN keep saying he is far-right. You probably know he is the most left wing Pakistan can probably get at this point. PPP under Z.A. Bhutto was leftist and MQM. I am originally from Karachi so I have some sympathy for at lest Mustafa Kamal but not Altaf Bahi. BTW, nice to see another Pakistani who watches Vaush, I only started watching years after moving to the US.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Seriously, thanks for the insight! I always appreciate hearing from locals! This one of the few examples of how the internet can be a good force in our world. Good luck over there... sounds like you'll need it

[@testest12344]

When was the army popular? During Musharaf's time? Since I can't remember anyone in my life ever praising the army. Maybe Musharraf or Ayub Khan, but no one aside from those two.

[@MaryyamFatima]

@@testest12344 it was popular up until the whole regime change with Khan. They have done many coups before, but the lack of social media and their control of the legacy media (tv and newspapers) made the public unaware and always painted the army in a positive light. However, this last coup in 2022 caused a lot of mobilization and awareness in the Pakistani diaspora (millions of Pakistanis live overseas), so seeing on ground realities as well as having a bigger scope from viewpoints of Pakistanis in other countries, it allowed the overall public to finally see the control the army has on every institution in Pakistan. Plus, many beloved journalists critical of the army and former prime ministers were murdered/jailed and so many others had to flee Pakistan . However, due to social media they were still allowed to continue spreading their message which the army could not control like legacy media. This is why I said there are so many things in just the last two years alone, and I'm only touching the surface.

[@MaryyamFatima]

@@jhonshephard921 in a country like Pakistan, it is very hard to paint people left or right. Khan is socially conservative but economically very left wing.

[@Youtoober6947]

thanks for covering this

[@gabagool5487]

Horses are magestic

[@lionelhinge573]

🐎

[@cypress2647]

You should legitimately consider sueing bad empanada for his current ongoing defamation campaign against you. It honestly disgusts me how hes doing nothing but protecting actual pdfs by delegitimizing the accusation by throwing it at you and double and tripling down on it no matter how much he is called out. I certainly wouldnt let anyone get away with making the video title he made about you, about me.

[@nickfarley2268]

Vaush lawsuit arc?

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

badempanada would definitely represent himself too, easy W

[@MrGrimlock1]

vaush being a pdf while acussing others of being a pdf must be so shocking for you lmao YOUR LIKES ARE PUBLIC MOMENT

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@MrGrimlock1Be honest, people who act like you are the most likely to be on a federal watchlist.

[@Nyarurin]

why would you even watch that tankie? all tankies are unhinged and full of crap. All they do is making constant apologies on behalf of dictators and despots.

[@alexkats30]

Ahh yes... The allies of the world's guardians and purveyors of democracy, at work once again. Plz spread your wonderful democracy some more

[@justsomedude7747]

Man what I learned in the years of looking at politics global or local is that its just the mob with less fancy suits and more paperwork.

[@sworthyboy]

did not expect this. Thanks vowsh

[@notcraig255]

vaush, pakistan is not even 80 years old yet, 16 national assemblies is sub 10 years per on average. some are as low as 2, while some are as high as 8

[@johail3510]

Whoa... didn't know Pakistan was going to take the spotlight like this

[@thaenaa]

erm well that’s kinda blatant

[@billclockwell]

On point of the army being trusted, they might be trust with certain age groups, but if you look at the western provinces, they are despised and they used to be generally liked around punjab but that decrease rapidly after the government changed they aided resulted in hyperinflation

[@than217]

13:19 Pakistan: Very real country.

[@ethankillion786]

i know i'd be voting against the party in power in a situation like that. this is blatant and obvious abuse of power.

[@alexanderboulton2123]

My takeaway is they're all bad.

[@tejashdasgupta1840]

Getting convicted for doing a marriage ceremony is fucking wild

[@mathyeuxsommet3119]

Btw they have nukes.

[@ghassankhan3856]

Although Imran Khan is in jail, a lot of his party loyalists have already secured seats as independents. Albeit comprising of center-right populist, there is a clear mandate. A lot of the common folk do see him as the PK premier. His actual governance is altogether different matter. His government passed multiple laws giving unprecedented powers to the establishment. Multiple authors and journalists have written about this. Leftists in PK do not affiliate themselves with PTI because he is believed to have used the very same kingmaker systems that he stands against today. (As an individual, a lot of people really do believe him to be honest, but his party leadership is comprised of a lot of turncoats...)

[@billclockwell]

US has never caused Latin America a coup in Pakistan, however they do love all the dictators we've had

[@sworthyboy]

zia ul huq x ronald reagen was defo a thing.

[@Jasonsmith-sr1ke]

That’s precisely why they never had to do a coup. The ideal leaders were already in place.

[@kingdomisaiah4541]

Tired of hearing about these "coups" US allegedly supported. This is nothing but tankie rhetoric

[@kingdomisaiah4541]

US hates dictators btw

[@junaidmohammed280]

Dont have dictatos then. But soveregnity is with Allah so....

[@Mar1neEng1ne]

I don't read into "all will be forgiven" as a threat, maybe a suggestion of future sanctions vs potential funding. Maybe it was a mafioso like threat I wasn't there, but I don't really see any issue with the feds using access to the financial system to progress foreign policy, as long as it isn't progressing towards corruption. Plus the feds actually using authority over the banking and greater financial industry is generally a good precedent that should be expanded.

[@hashwatt]

It was most definitely a threat, they held the IMF $3 billion ransom on this request. As soon as Imran Khan was ousted the new PM instantly got the approval for the loan.

[@MaryyamFatima]

To add further to the other commenters, not only was it a threat involving billions of dollars, but they also bought off politicians by giving them money to change their vote against Khan. So, they used coercion, manipulation as well as bribery. On what grounds would you not consider this a detrimental threat?

[@Aryasvitkona]

It's definitely a threat. It's the same as a mafioso saying it'd be a shame if anything happened to your leg. Even if it wasn't intended as a threat, it definitely can be easily perceived as one.

[@Aryasvitkona]

​@@hashwatteven if not for that, it could be viewed as a threat of being Cambodia'd while America is in the region

[@fl00fydragon]

KHaaaaan!

[@asswhip]

Boo!

[@Cowbokado]

ahh!

[@makhnovian_]

Scaryy !!!!

[@Lysergicide25]

Holy shit! I did not know Pakistan had 220 million people.

[@fractalign]

It’s 200 million too many 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@c.m.9369]

11:30 „Man, is this a situation where both sides of this are bad?“ Well… yes. Yes. That‘s surprsingly common in the history of mankind.

[@lzmunch]

When you live in the clown show that is america sometimes it’s easy to forget that politics has nuance sometimes u_u the two sides here are just so starkly different and obviously good/bad

[@summerlovinxx]

​@@lzmunchI mean, the Dems also have their bads, just not in the same way or extent the Reps/GOP do...

[@Jasonsmith-sr1ke]

@@lzmunch What do you mean? Both sides are bad in America as well.

[@FelisImpurrator]

The sooner people learn there's no such thing as good or bad sides, the better it will be for everyone.

[@MaryyamFatima]

No, both sides are not bad. One side is clearly a fascist state army and the other side is a non corrupt leader who has the highest approval rating any politician has had in decades (over 60%). Also, Khan is not a despot or anything similar to Trump (stupid, with only two brain cells). He started so many initiatives, including universal healthcare and a billion trees tsunami (plating billions of trees across Pakistan) as well as handling covid amazingly well for a country mired in national debt (which he reduced btw). So no, Khan is not the lesser of the two evils. It's like saying Bernia and Trump are both same same but different. False equivalency.

[@pinkofastora]

all i know is that no matter what, arslan ash wins

[@agilagilsen8714]

To the shock and surprise of absolutely nobody. Also, ai wish Vaush would acknowledge his lack of knowledge of situations outside the US more often.

[@purplewine7362]

He does. He's not like Hasan.

[@therabbi9848]

@@purplewine7362THATS A JDAM MISSLE OBVIOUSLY

[@PakBallandSami]

Idk my internet was working ok, during the election (I did voted if anyone is wondering) yes we couldn't makes call but who ever had a internet connection by internet service provider had there internet working well

[@CompComp]

How do you feel about another country cutting calling services off? Stay safe

[@annuncreates5962]

​@@CompCompWe're pretty used to it honestly. The previous few days before the election, every time PTI ( That's Imran Khan's party) attempted to hold online events and rallies ( since they couldn't hold them in person) we often had to deal with internet services being shut down on those days too.

[@pirigrinfalcon6029]

Is vaushes takes on the army and such accurate with the local, or is wikipedia misinformed?

[@testest12344]

@@pirigrinfalcon6029 Wikipedia seems misinformed. I don't think I've ever seen anyone support the army. Musharaff was a fairly popular dictator during the 00s since there was some growth during the first years of his reign but that's it. I couldn't find the sources Vaush is looking at so I don't know.

[@ghassankhan3856]

Landline interenet was working fine people. It was more of a "go vote, get groceries and chill at home with family day..."

[@swansonjoe7121]

Ayo vaush in h3 thumbnail???

[@testest12344]

Imran Khan is pretty incompetent tbh, but he's the only one who isn't incredibly corrupt. The military is also not popular in the county at all, especially since now they're obviously backing non-popular candidates, so the polls Vaush looked at might be old (Musharaf's era maybe?) or poorly conducted.

[@kingdomisaiah4541]

Imran Khan is highly corrupt

[@nickiiminajj9148]

🐎🐎🐎

[@d6o9]

I guess someone wants to win really bad. Good on them, wish I had this kind of resolve and motivation

[@mid-westmusic3472]

Election secure.

[@assholeyeng]

pretty bad? that's normal

[@bedris4765]

🇧🇷

[@henriquepacheco7473]

Brazil mentioned?

[@goodpol5022]

@@henriquepacheco7473nope

[@JohnHydeisawesome]

Good, Jinnah's interpretation of Muslims being "a different civilization than Hindus and others" failing big time gets me a big grin. He and Savarkar are different sides of the same coin: reactionary and communal.

[@testest12344]

It's pretty deranged to look at a country suffering under tyranny and think 'good.'

[@JohnHydeisawesome]

@@testest12344 I don't think it's deranged at all, failed states all lead to suffering in some form. It should be an alarm for a rude awakening.

[@testest12344]

@@JohnHydeisawesome Saying you get a 'big grin' is very different from acknowledging the suffering is taking place.

[@jhonshephard921]

That was not Jinnah, it was Iqbal. Jinnah wanted separate electorate until 1940 after 2 years of congress rule that resulted in Muslims being forced to sing Vande Mataram, bowing before a picture of Gandhi and being harassed in mosques. Jinnah was still ok with one country but in a more EU style which was the 1946 plan that was destroyed by Nehru. Also, Muslims in Modi's India aren't exactly faring well.

[@Charvakarishi4669]

​​​@@JohnHydeisawesomejinnah and Savarkar are not diffrent side of the same coin Savarkar post partition suggested assimilation with muslims who stayed behind

[@Piratewaffle43]

It all should've just been India like Mahatma Gandhi wanted.

[@Charvakarishi4669]

I'm indian but no thanks

[@Jasonsmith-sr1ke]

@@Charvakarishi4669 🇵🇰 🤝 🇮🇳 🤝 🇧🇩

[@midorimashintaro2092]

As an Indian, please no🙏

[@Piratewaffle43]

Y'all watching a Vaush video but you want borders smh.

[@billclockwell]

To be clear the internet wasn't cut off, phone service was, this is something that will randomly just happen

[@adrianliung8374]

Didn't the article clearly say internet mobile services though?

[@moehasan7534]

Vaush please stop tryna pronounce foreign names just say it like a normal white. Its balochistan with a ch like channel, or change

[@goodpol5022]

Bro tried to pronounce Balochistan with a Turkish accent or smth 💀

[@jhonshephard921]

he pronounced Tahreek-e-Insaaf in almost perfect Urdu.

[@MasterGhostf]

Yea, we don't need to use the names in their language. We don't call Germany "Deutschland", or "Frankereich". Translations translate countries into our languages for ease of use. Its why china is well "China", and Japan, "Japan".