Is it okay to like Kanye? (recorded 2020)

recorded 9/16/2020
the boyz discuss online usernames, kanye, and the human condition
Watch Us Live (Wednesday/Sunday/Friday)
► / sadboyzpod
Listen To Us!
Spotify ▸ sadboyzpod.com/spotify
Apple Podcasts ▸ sadboyzpod.com/itunes
Follow Us
/ sadboyz
/ sadboyz
Follow Jordan
/ jordanadika
/ jordanadika
Follow Jarvis
/ jarvis
/ jarvis
Outro music
@prod.typhoon & @ysoblank

[@pucksandpaperbacks]

Jordan, as a trans man, I really appreciate that you pointed out people misgendering trans people in videos and not editing it out. It is so frustrating when I see that because then it makes me reflect on the person and thinking if they would or are doing the same to me. You can easily re-film the clip and put it in, it's really that easy. Instead of subjecting viewers to see you misgendering someone, repeatedly, even if you're correcting yourself. It makes them look so bad.

[@Ebrahim_17]

I think the Serfs showed this with a Joe Rogan podcast where he continuously misgenders time and time again. It's so freaking crazy.

[@thekathal]

@@Ebrahim_17 I wouldn't exactly count on Joe Rogan to be very reliable about anything concerning trans people lol

[@elliot__agares]

Also if you don't wanna re-film it because it's been a long time you can just edit it and beep the name/pronouns or dub their pronouns/name over their deadname/old pronouns

[@SleepySigh]

+1 to this as a masc NB, it was hard enough for me to get to a place where I didn't feel like wanting my correct pronouns was me being whiny and difficult, the last thing I need is to be bipping around on youtube winding down for bed and suddenly be confronted with the knowledge that there are still plenty of people out there who don't care if they make me feel like I can't just exist, as long as they don't have to think too hard about their words

[@tylerallen6435]

It's nice to hear someone point out that not all eccentric behaviour can be traced right back to Kanye's bipolar disorder.

[@SleepySigh]

How prescient! People are acting like being bipolar makes you anti-semitic now. It's been driving me up the wall how many people are responding to this like it simply COULDN'T be the right-wing folks who are courting his attention and grooming him to be a bigot, he's just cRaZy.

[@redhotchelseapeppers]

I need Jordan’s voice to tell me a bedtime story every night. I don’t think I would ever have problems falling asleep again

[@erroreden]

no literally, it’s so soothing

[@zsofi113]

Just go to sleep listening to the pod man

[@katryn7443]

Petition for Jordan to be an asmr channel

[@littlechickeyhudak]

"If any community you're around is built around hating something or someone, how could that make you feel good?" That's such a simple and obvious statement but it's SO applicable to so many communities.

[@Loifez]

Talking about friends with differing beliefs; how people handle the pandemic really made me reevaluate certain friendships. It really shows people's values...

[@racheltodd5424]

Yessir! I had to end a few myself because I thought racism being bad was common knowledge.

[@littlechickeyhudak]

that's very true. It's shown not only how people regard the well-being of others, but also my own boundaries. We have a (now ex) housemate who I had been friends with for a year already who repeatedly went to bars, visited friends, and even brought said friends (none of which any of us knew, and who were from different cities and towns) into our house without even as much of a warning after we repeatedly confronted him about it and clearly established boundaries that he continued to violate. As horrible as the pandemic is, we might never have learned how selfish and disrespectful he was without it.

[@SobrietyandSolace]

@@littlechickeyhudak Even if there was no pandemic that's kinda disrespectful and a security issue

[@cats1970]

I do have sympathy for people who cope socially despite the pandemic in the same way drug addiction is a mental health crisis. What I have zero tolerance for is people who deny being in those situations/about being vaccinated/tested. My dad has a chronic lung condition and covid would kill him. When someone lies about being safe, they’ll be guilty of manslaughter if they make my dad sick. Like people drunk driving, I have 0 warm feelings for them. No excuses.

[@v0yag3r_]

The little bit of grey on anti-Jarvis' hair is * chef's kiss *

[@dragoonslayer69]

ah ikr it’s so beautiful

[@marnie4629]

I'm Polish, can confirm we are notoriously violent towards computers.

[@ryanshea5221]

We need a Kanye retrospective in light of recent events lmao

[@boobadascooba]

well this aged strangely

[@catlovingnerd21]

watching this in 2023 feels so weird bc of all the absolutely unacceptable things kanye did in the past year. i appreciate the way jarvis and jordan talked about him in this episode because at the time, it wasn't talked about or criticized as much as it should have been. I'm sad that Jarvis's hope for kanye to be better ended up completely broken :(

[@Ella-el3lt]

This is such an intelligent conversation. I got really excited when you were talking about Kanye and Black Trump supporters as well as pro-Trump trans people. I think that the idea is that they think they're protecting themselves and taking back autonomy, but in actuality, they undermining the efforts that are trying to get us to a safer and more equal place. It also enables people with malintent to make bad faith arguments based on them and their disingenuous claims. I am always so surprised to hear someone actually delve into this in a constructive way, and I'm really glad to hear you guys specifically do it.

[@lacedrain]

gotta love the (recorded 2020)

[@wishingwell_333]

let's revisit this omg

[@newyorkkitty8307]

i’m both a militant swiftie and a lifelong kanye fan. it’s a lonely road i walk.

[@EvWuzhere]

Indeed.

[@calisha1889]

truly a boulevard of broken dreams

[@maddiepaddy2608]

your mind must be so powerful to like both of those artists that much

[@newyorkkitty8307]

@@maddiepaddy2608 like don’t get me wrong i think he’s a deeply troubled not great person and he was 100% in the wrong in their beef. but he’s an extremely talented person who puts out great music 🤷‍♀️

[@moony6232]

True!! I don't really like Kanye but his music hits different

[@bdhkstudios7600]

Jarvis looks gold in this episode

[@meccob.5927]

Gold!

[@TammiJuusu]

@@meccob.5927the premium channel that is free, uhm, it's free

[@Lunky933]

watching this in 2023 is such a trip wow

[@sliceoflolabelle]

im literally watching this now to see if anything has aged well 😭 Kanye gets worse and worse with every passing day

[@sidneyirwin6712]

my dad is a "debate me" guy and I've never been able to put into words what I found so wrong about it, this is why I love listening to you guys

[@SephirothSuperKool]

That was my grandpa disappointingly enough. He was smart enough to make it sound semi legit, even if he couldn't actually back it up.

[@dabball9588]

i had to straight up stop what i was doing and comment bc i was so floored by the way jordan described the compartmentalization people w conservative values participate in and the divulgence in debate under the guise of democratic conversation. seriously put it so perfectly wtf. this whole conversation just felt really good to hear and i really appreciated the nuance you guys brought

[@looney1023]

These old Kanye shenanigans seem so quant now don't they :/

[@AlexTreeceLives]

BDG's left Polygon now, posting independently. Loved unraveled, excited to see what he does next

[@DevsLikeUs]

Great conversation as always. I’ll never get over how this show travels through so many great topics in a single episode.

[@ellierush8040]

A BDG / Sad Boyz collab would actually be the best thing I’ve ever seen, just so you know haha

[@isabelflann4087]

your wish came trueeeee 💫

[@bighormsheep]

i know that this video is old but i just wanna say, as a bipolar person who is also inspired by kanye but has complicated feelings about him, its so refreshing to hear other bipolar ppl talk about kanye with nuance. keep up the good work guys

[@shesmyvampire]

How you guys feel about Kanye is how I feel about my dad! 😃 He's always been someone I looked up to and he's so clever and smart and talented, but since he sat in front of FOX "News" right before Obama got into office...I'm so bitter and disappointed that he sincerely believes in what they say and push. We're Puerto Rican/Mexican and it's just...I'm overwhelmingly sad about it because I don't have my Dad anymore. You boyz talk about the good hard stuff and I appreciate that about your conversations. 💖

[@SephirothSuperKool]

Same thing happened to my Grandpa.

[@erinnielsen5423]

I consider myself so lucky that my dad was the exact opposite. He identified himself as a republican until his fifties, but by the time Obama’s first run came around he was like, “man…this party is a dumpster fire.” Now he’s a proud democrat who has become a surrogate father figure for a trans woman he works with who was rejected by her republican parents. He also donates heavily to Planned Parenthood every year because, in his words, “people need access to those services to live healthy and happy lives, and it’s ridiculous that all these a-holes without uteruses are trying to dictate whether they can or can’t have it.” There’s hope…sometimes it just takes the right experiences, timing, and arguments to open people’s minds. But they do have to be willing to admit they’ve been wrong and change as a result of that. That’s the hardest part.

[@shesmyvampire]

@@erinnielsen5423 That's so wholesome and I sincerely really love that for him. Unfortunately, I don't even have a sliver of hope for my dad because he conflates "being a cHriStiAn" with being a Republican and he says that all FOX News anchors don't lie because they're Christians too. He's been silent on the whole Tucker Carlson text evidence in that Dominion lawsuit because he knows that it goes against what he's been saying for years to me now. I can't bring that stuff up because he takes it as a personal attack if I do. I really am so happy for your dad that he could recognize the dumpster fire for what it is and leave it in its own ashes. Bless him for giving back too.

[@erinnielsen5423]

@@shesmyvampire I’m so sorry to hear that…it’s really sad to see people go against their own interests because they place so much faith in an ideology (as in the alt-right that’s slowly becoming mainstream, not referring to Christianity - believe what you wanna believe as long as you don’t use it to hurt people). My dad’s brothers are all the same way and unfortunately we just can’t talk about certain topics anymore. I hate standing idly by while they continue to vote for people who do not care about what happens to them, but short of some miraculous circumstance that somehow changes their mind, what can you do… I’m so sorry that you’re in that situation with your dad.

[@cjl7045]

You disowned your dad because he doesn’t agree with your politics?

[@mollyallen2400]

There's something special about Jordan's brand of humor. When you flatly drop "flavor away" or "Gucci Gucci mane" with no change in facial expression, I burst into laughter. I've never really caught on to dry humor very well, but the deadpan delivery is so spot on that I'm not only buying into the conversation but also giggling along with it throughout. Don't get me wrong, Jarvis makes me feel supremely *Premium* on the GOLD channel and I can't get enough of the jokes there lately (I've just discovered all of these channels). I'm having the most fun and now feel challenged to go back and watch the 2017 stuff lol ... speaking of which, lately I can't remember what happened last week versus two weeks ago or six months ago. I blame pandemic brain (aka trauma brain), so if you're not remembering what was in a previous episode, I call that normal these days - and by these days, I mean the last two years!

[@stinkycheeseman]

This whole podcast part about Kanye is literally how a lot of people have felt but no one wants to talk about it. LOVE YOU GUYS

[@bettyreads222]

I appreciate how open and honest you are with each other. Be kind to yourselves and take care :)

[@Lee-wf4kr]

4:32 "Now you almost look good" I think this is Jordan's form of compliment, how sweet

[@cosmicren2937]

I really recommend Curio's video about Ben Shapiro and the aesthetics of intellectualism. It breaks down what Jordan is saying really plainly and exposes how people like Ben Shapiro weaponize these aesthetics to make awful ideology a lot more palatable to audiences who believe (or want to believe) they're engaging with ideology on a purely academic or intellectual level.

[@kaemincha]

is Curio "Sophie from Mars"? wanted to watch the video and im assuming it was a channel name change, just wanted to make sure!

[@cosmicren2937]

@@kaemincha Yes that's exactly it! She used to be Curio

[@_-Lx-_]

Me listening to the boys discuss Kanye: "That one didn't age quite so well-"

[@kira540]

The range of emotions I felt listening to this was like going through therapy, multiple life-changing Ted talks, and lectures about things I’m not very educated about all within an hour. I mean this in the best way possible. And it was perfectly topped off with the overwhelming joy of watching Jarvis solve a rubik’s cube in one minute! Anyway, back to my Sad Boyz marathon, one of the few things bringing me comfort right now

[@southsabella9285]

Just started the pod and why is Jarvis on my left and Jordan on my right??

[@annaz2011]

I feel like jordan’s argument on the compartmentalization of harmful ideologies such as pro gun ownership can be compared to people’s reactions to their content creators/music artists committing very harmful actions who don’t take the time to understand the consequences and remain silent once the time comes for them to apologize. An example could be seen in where, despite some of these creators having lengthy sexual assault allegations and acts of racism and misogyny, people tend to continue to support them regardless of them knowing full well the content creator’s actions impacted such a large amount of people due to their influence. Consistently I’ve seen the reasoning for not disassociating from their creators while knowing the actions and the reasons why they’re harmful is “separating the content from the creator” (or something along the lines). which in my view, is absolutely harmful to those who they have affected because you’re directly indulging in their content in your own satisfaction while your engagement directly funds them and their behavior and just tells me “hey i don’t really care what they did” despite them saying they do care about these issues. i understand those who have an emotional attachment to their creators. however, actively ignoring their actions while blaming people in conclusion that it’s just “cancel culture” doing its job is almost as harmful as committing the actions themselves.

[@annaz2011]

Sorry, this is a little lengthy :( I didn’t expect it to be this long

[@Fleetwootmack]

Jarvis talking about differing political opinions in friends is really reassuring. I feel as though people sometimes don’t understand why others care about morals when making friends. When you’re actively voting against me and others like me as a black man(or poc in general) that’s doesn’t sit well with me. When you’re intentionally voting for policies that suppress lgbtq+ people, Less fortunate people, ex cons and people who are already sentenced and in jail, I can’t be friends with you. you could be a cool person, but that doesn’t trump you actively voting against marginalized groups. Also I couldn’t agree more on the incel convo. All you need is confidence and just improve yourself before finding a girlfriend, or boyfriend or whatever you want.

[@tawnyholbrook9160]

What a delight. Nice Anamanaguchi shirt, too.

[@JenCool42069]

I used to listen to your show as a freshman and now I'm a freshman in college, life is a trip glad you're back

[@miledith555]

As a polish person, anytime I see a motherboard I am filled with rage and an uncontrollable urge to destroy it on the spot. Same thing goes for every other polish person so if your computer was here even for a bit Jordan, it had no chance of surviving.

[@gisellesaliot5376]

Is Jordan Graying or is there fuzz in his hair, either way I'm on board

[@racheltodd5424]

He is transcending into the 5th dimension.

[@violetnightmare9216]

My least favourite as a trans woman is when on the phone with some various company and they want me to say my deadname to verify my identity, then after that all of a sudden when previously they hadn't said my initially stated preferred name to me at all, they work my deadname into every single sentence for the rest of the call. I can't even trust like, institutions to not do this stuff, so yeah, I have super low expectations with just random people on the internet and youtubers and stuff and am always in the exasperating position of being really refreshed to see good behavior but also feeling like I am giving out a gold star to people for just, not being vile.

[@melanchronik]

"the upcoming cyberpunk" WELL

[@oliviadodge4612]

Re: 41:00 bad faith arguments shouldn’t be given the platform to continue, but so much of North American politics is rooted in the continued normalizing of said arguments that we are all, to some degree, forced to engage with them. That being said, there IS a line for each scenario.

[@hollis2081]

please get BDG on the pod..... we need it

[@elguapo2580]

Woah that’d be crazy

[@_emory]

You guys should do another one of these, now

[@SleepySigh]

Oh how enchanting right from the start, watching you two tease each other and break out in laughter is like warm bread and honey for my soul

[@pegs-ies]

I made like two long rants about how important this episode is to me on my SC and I guarantee no one cares, but I'm in a kinda big depressive episode rn and this really helped give me some motivation to try and take more control over the things that make me feel awful!

[@missdiction4455]

Hope you got control over that major episode and you’re feeling better, pegs!

[@pegs-ies]

@@missdiction4455 thanks! I went back to my psychologist, and I also started to cut out the people who made me feel awful about myself, I'm starting to feel a lot better now!

[@amelia6219]

this is genuinely my favorite podcast. you two are so intelligent and insightful and im so glad you talk about what you do :)

[@baturnbaturn1111]

i really love the dynamic that you two have, theres so much care and vulnerability and fun im so happy you're making this podcast :o)

[@clario9114]

Exactly the boys I needed to talk me to sleep tonight 😔

[@SanFranFan30]

Damn I had subscribed a while back but never really listened/watch because I feel like I'm consuming so much content that I can't get to the other great content I also want to get to, and I am glad I did. I feel like I can relate to you guys quite a bit and ultimately it felt great to just hear other people like me being vulnerable and honest since in these times I don't get a lot of opportunities to connect with people emotionally with this massive internet/communications barrier that give me anxiety. Anyways, just thanks for being yourselves and putt this stuff out there in the world.

[@quackolako]

Love to see the pod come back. Great work as always bois!

[@StopSayingBelieveIt]

Sad Boyz never disappoints. Always just what I needed. Thanks for being you, boyz!

[@kat8559]

i need to know now if bill nye has heard of gamergate

[@dzsemol]

you guys are the only podcast i listen to :D just realized that

[@clintlaroux]

Got so excited when I saw an episode was posted.

[@tylerwallach6781]

yall idk if this one aged well, love ya tho

[@Poutigirl]

This did not age well

[@rachaelblessing5510]

you guys are amazing! I love this podcast

[@mollyallen2400]

I connect with Jordan's statement on devaluing debate as a metaphor for / parallel to 'don't have to tolerate intolerance.' "Kumbaya with the third reich" is about the best I've heard it described. You're entirely correct - we are (and have been) at the point where we shouldn't humor or dignify the extreme and obtuse arguments of far right with "debate," as it's not earnest or good faith in the first place, and even if it were, it's dangerous thinking.

[@compassionandhumility]

Thank goodness for this conversation. It was the little breath of sanity I needed right now.

[@rimlix939]

I love these episodes with just the boyz

[@kymbredwyeryoga]

Jarvis, I've said this on other videos you have, but I LOVE the Bojack references.

[@daisy-td9qs]

wow this was a really nuanced discussion about people and politics, it's really cool to see thoughts that have strayed through my mind fully articulated like that

[@FreyaEinde]

This episode was really quite good

[@HeyitzRio]

Have the bell on y’all

[@noahmurphygordon1928]

I would die of happiness if bdg was on the sad boyz

[@ciera1647]

I'm so glad Jordon said the thing about not being able to deal with and talk to people when they have a certain belief. For a long while I felt this, and I would always call people out on things and be the minority. I thought there was something wrong with my brain where I could just not handle the presence and be friends with someone in spite of their belief in something harmful. Now I embrace that part of me, because it allows me to see myself as someone who is moral and has minimal regrets. But I'm glad someone else said it. And whenever I rewatch this episode and get to around the 50min mark it makes me feel content.

[@tylermonsoon7247]

♥️ i love these podcasts

[@elguapo2580]

Hey guys love the pod

[@thesunandherstars_3228]

this was a great ep boys also that rubiks cube bit at the end was amazing

[@steviee._.]

Sadboyz pod is keeping me going

[@Helix2760]

It's funny how they talk about Kanye when you see how he is now

[@tomaitoe]

Jarvis! This shirt! Man, some of my best memories involve Anamanaguchi. 👍🏾

[@alexreid1173]

We definitely need an update on this!!

[@kianaolive]

THE BOYZZZZZZ ❤️

[@lizasplaylist]

I would like a revisit on Kanye lol I feel like answers will be slightly different now 😅

[@viviantompkins7925]

This was a great episode

[@DrewLytle]

We love these Sad Boyz

[@fishfinren]

Sorry to report this from the future, but he has gotten MUCH worse

[@Bethherzz]

Jarvis your look is a whole vibe ×2

[@Blazer-eg6ys]

I think a large driving force of conflict with the gun debate or other fighting arguments from bipartisan conversations, is that the US, as a society, has formed individualist ideals. Jarvis brought up the fact that in Asian communities people wore masks way before COVID, and that’s because they have community-focused ideals, and will sacrifice some small discomfort for the safety of the people around them. In the US, we aren’t taught that kind of self-sacrifice. Instead we are taught to do stuff for ourselves and almost only for ourselves. Therefore people believe that whatever they do or think is right and they will not change for the safety of others around them or in their nation. I don’t think it’s necessarily compartmentalizing, like Jordan said, although that can be part of it. I think it’s that people are so individualistic and so self-driven in a bad way that they choose to keep their guns to sleep with over someone else feeling even just a little bit safer.

[@luvrofplantains9784]

This is why I always say debating doesn't feed the people

[@cuerbear]

this podcast has helped my mental health so much

[@kalokai_ri]

I am also in love with BDG and literally unravelled was my hyperfixation for a while there lmao

[@sslimeman]

yesss jarvis i love ur shirt!!!

[@AngieeShipps]

The openness you both have to discuss mental health as black men is so awesome ! So encouraging! Kanye will always Kanye!

[@despres380]

superb episode

[@auntbill8166]

Good pod boyz 💖

[@randomtangle4629]

1:07:59 The whole thing of playing the victim to validate your self-love was something I used to do. Problem is I realized I genuinely do have a problem with self-love (being a trans woman, specifically right now, as my rights are being stripped away, isn’t the best for feeling like I am worthy of love.) but I used to do it before I realized I was trans, saying it was just an act I put on for attention, trying to obscure the fact that it was something I did out of a conflict of self-worth. I know that’s a different experience and all, but I resonated with your words. Also, thank you guys for being so chill and trans-supportive. As you had said, it genuinely sucks that I just have to expect being oppressed. It’s nice to hear people supporting trans people.

[@Evan-go4nn]

When jarvis started rapping🤌

[@Ella-el3lt]

OMG I love Anamanaguchi! Great shirt

[@dimplesd8931]

Came here for the banter. Stayed for Jordan’s stache

[@vs-kr5qr]

slick with the rubik's cube damn

[@yikes8322]

You should do an update of this

[@leafl0ver740]

the begging intro 😭🤚

[@racheltodd5424]

Jarvis is bouncing around during the compliments section like this is a boxing match

[@andrewislastyear1118]

BEST PODCAST

[@lola9148]

he mentioned bdg and i just . stopped everything i was doing like oh my god i wasnt expecting bdg hype up session but im always down for a bdg hype up session

[@iguanafurgaming2992]

The intro is continually the same but I hope it never changes.

[@persuasivedino]

This is my first time extendedly listening to your podcast, while I don't agree with every political stance you have, I am in love with your look at philosophy and I absolutely Jive 100% with your guys's heart. I am definitely going to keep listening and keep learning from you guys. I love hearing your perspective.