Is the New Jeep Wrangler Safe? We Investigate After It Tips Over in Overdue Crash Testing!

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

This was really fair, well done TFL

[@greenman2515]

I really do enjoy watching his content he’s always got a good perspective in my opinion

[@siraff4461]

Sounded like trying to make Jeep look good to me. Cherry picking the old Toyota as a compare (one of the other least safe heaps available) and effectively saying euroncap don't know how to extrapolate results while his knowledge of this is obviously almost nothing. There is no excuse for poor safety in such a new design.

[@GDannnn]

Si Raff agreed, total lack of engineering on jeeps part.

[@illegalskittles9386]

The only reason to buy a Jeep is pure offroad. On road any vehicle beats it hands down.

[@siraff4461]

@@illegalskittles9386 I would agree but if you're doing almost all offroad there are multiple better vehicles you could buy and mod to be better again for the money these cost. If you want one of these for offroad buy a 2nd hand one and do the usual offroad mods. There really isn't any gain getting a new one.

[@dirtbeard108]

after driving Jeeps since '83, I've discovered that you shouldn't run into obstacles.

[@Captain-Awesome]

Ha!! Looks to me like the Jeep deflected the energy and gave everyone inside a more safety.

[@jayar202]

@Dirt Beard hilarious 😂😂😂

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@Captain-Awesome that's what I thought too. Also, I don't think this test is very real world. The impact zone is, but not smashing into a solid, unmoving object. I would be interested in seeing the results of this test if they crashed the Jeep into another vehicle instead. I wonder if the Jeep would have tipped then.

[@dr.philwantsyouralimony3418]

@@trailrunnah8886 i mean you can smack into the corner of a building or a concrete planter those are pretty unmoving

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@dr.philwantsyouralimony3418 true. I wonder what the data is on these types of crashes, if things like buildings and such is more common, or head-ons with other vehicles.

[@jeffjohnson2273]

Yeah, when I'm cruising down the highway at 80 with my top and doors off safety is my biggest concern....

[@BullittKid08]

Seems like a lame tradeoff

[@meyaenyo2593]

Don't worry no car is safe at 80mph.

[@ironicchannelname6457]

@@BullittKid08 not really

[@zarethd]

those tests are at like 40 mph

[@ShabbernigdoXingjian]

@@BullittKid08 its worth it

[@JimmyDevere]

My biggest concern is lack of rear side-impact airbags for passengers. Being tall I also prefer knee airbags for front.

[@duoglide69]

JimmyDevere Jeep has optional knee pads and helmet with Jeep logo up front they’ll sell you.

[@areen3982]

You can buy a motorcycle helmet and wrap your knee with bubble wrap .... problem solved 👍🏼

[@tasiarenee5392]

Me too, same concern

[@SortaDopeIGuess]

@@areen3982 Or your kid can fly out of the rear window and you can sue the hell out of Jeep. No more Jeeps for you. Naaaw, dont be a dootschbag and put in rear side impacts for the shorties. Murica!

[@EagleEye8208]

Yeah that's a huge oversight on the part Jeep. Side curtain airbags should be required for all vehicles.

[@UltimateCARNUT]

Wow what a death trap!!! Anyone scared to drive their jeeps can donate it to me lol

[@g.donuts3551]

TheCarChannel Yeah, send them to me too, I’d rather tip over any day then get my legs crushed by a failing passenger compartment.

[@mike406]

G. Donuts Yeah until it tips over and slides off the side of the highway and rolls 10 times down hill.

[@jteternal2]

@Alexander Von Ehr unless you're the rear passenger without the rear side airbag you're pretty much going to have head injury

[@siraff4461]

@@g.donuts3551 Did you notice the bit after the tip where it was going roof first at whatever was there? Wouldn't look good with oncoming traffic. Or parked cars. Or a wall. I'd rather not have legs crushed or tip headfirst into whatever happens to be coming so I'll leave these to the people who don't care about their heads.

[@ironicchannelname6457]

@@siraff4461 sounds to me like you should stop crashing my good boy

[@k9karma]

Great impartial view. Really well done. I am a long time Jeep owner and I always caution people when they ask about owning a Jeep. It’s a street legal off-road vehicle and not a minivan.

[@petercaldwell8674]

Just watched a video of new Wrangler and Bronco doing the same test, Wrangler had same result tipping over and sliding till it hit rear wall. Another glaring difference was no rear airbags in the Wrangler and the whiplash was far more severe than the Bronco, anyone who carts passengers around in the back of a Jeep with no protection especially knowing its habit of rolling over needs a wake up call.

[@Myfishyfloats]

Me watching this knowing my 1987 CJ-7 would just blow up 👁👄👁

[@alexlail7481]

I'm not a jeep person I like them but i like my bronco better ... but either way I'm in the same boat I've had 2 Bronco II 's and currently drive a 1st generation Bronco... like I told many people that comment on safety I've come to terms long ago that 1 serious wreck and they'll scrape me and my bronco up and hose down the pavement....

[@KristoferOlsson]

Jeep wrangler is the second worst car tested last 3 years in Euro Ncap it got 1 out of 5 stars when anything less then 4 stars is terrible. 3 of the 6 worst cars in Adult protection is A Jeep. The other 3 was Fiat Panda, Suzuki Jimny and VW UP. So yes FCA and Jeep is one of the worst cars when it comes to saftey. Who remember the coverup of the Grand Cherokee in Europe? Go watch Teknikens Värld if you dont. Jeep tried to blame the newspaper but in the end they had to change tires on all Jeeps in the nordic and went back to redesign the car and released an update 2 years later.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Thanks, I appreciate the perspective.

[@joetz1]

Aren’t the european tests more about pedestrian impacts and electronics which honestly have nothing to do with how sturdy the vehicle is in a crash?

[@KristoferOlsson]

@@joetz1 thats not true. Euro Ncap is about everything. Only thing US test do better is rollover test. European would se a car that rollover unsafe in the first place. When american in high suvs and trucks are used to that their vehicle will roll over and feel like they need that protection. I forgot US test also do headlight tests. Unfortantly the best headlight you can find on European cars are not legal in the US (they are to bright laser style) so you often get old and pretty crappy headlights from European makers. (that is the only reason why Volvo do not do that good in US tests, bad headlights) Euro ncap look at a larger picture then the american tests. So first they do all the crashtest, small front overlaps, front and side impact etc. After that they realy test the saftey systems not only look at them at paper. But in real world test the figure out wich brand have a system that works in realty an not only on paper like Jeeps. They test how good a car is at avoiding a crash etc. The Jeep Wrangler failed on everypoint accept whiplash and pretensioners of the belt, (1.7 out of 2 points in whiplas thats good but not great, pretensioners got 2 out of 2 so they work great without flaws.) you can go in and look at the details at eruoncap.com. Sturdy is not allways a good thing in a crash, you want the car to absorb the forces as much as possible. Thats why the Wrangler failed its construction was about to fail allredy at the test in a speed of only 50 kmh 31 mph. any speed above that it would be a complete disaster. US test is done at a marginal higher speed of 35 mph or 56 kmh. But you realy realy do not want to crash in speeds higher then that in an Wrangler.

[@jteternal2]

@@KristoferOlsson yeah, the US barely have the headlight turn with the steering wheel, while they had it in Europe years ago. American automotive company and safety are always moving at a snails pace

[@perpelle]

N-cap puts to much attention to electronics imo. That being said, rolling isn't a good thing.

[@alpaca7886]

My question is how much energy was transferred to the crash dummy in each scenario. So it rolled, survivability is what counts for me

[@fordfiveohh]

Yeah that's a fair point.... The only thing they say about rollovers though is they can be very dangerous or tip overs whatever you want to call them... Because if another oncoming car strikes the roof of the vehicle..... That's extremely unsafe.....

[@PLT123]

I thought the same, ok you rolled... Thats not certain death

[@fgialcgorge7392]

The Jeep the dummys head is all over the place. In the bronco it stays put on the bag. If there was a lot of energy transfer it was going through the Jeep. Equal and opposite and all that.

[@EagleEye8208]

Or you hit a tree or pole. Any vehicle that tips or rolls after an immediate crash, injury or death significantly jumps due to additiona kenetic forces being applied to the body. There's alot less protection from left to right, then front to back.

[@mariajiao4855]

This is the most idiotic comment I have ever seen. You can't cure idiocy for sure.

[@kubotaoz6108]

I was on a motorcycle trip and I had stopped at a pilot truck stop to get a coke. I was outside when I heard a crash. I went to check it out. A semi had pulled out onto the highway and for some reason had stoped , blocking the 4 lane highway in both directions. The speed limit was 55. A guy in a jeep rubicon could not stop and he t-boned the semi trailer just behind the rear truck duals. The jeep went 3 quarters under the semi trailer before it had stoped. I was thinking this might not end well. It had been probably 45 seconds and I see this guy pull himself out through the rear door window. The guy was not hurt and was not bleeding. I was thinking again, WOW. The rear axle and tires were not touching the road.. this guy had hit the semi trailer so hard that the jeep frame had bent. I was thinking again, I just might buy me one of those some day! Great informational content on the jeep.

[@RahulShah87]

Watching TFL try to find a way to justify the safety ratings is really funny. You are right that it's safer than before, but it's just not a particularly safe car. That's ok - it's fine to prioritize off-road prowess over safety, but just say that. But watching the nonsense justification of IIHS tests being unrealistic is just nuts. This video felt like TFL doing whatever they could to make FCA happy.

[@drwisdom1]

The meaning of safety ratings is being devalued. You could trust the safety ratings when they were about the survivability of accidents. But now part of the safety ratings are whether your vehicle is equipped with gadgets like automatic stopping. So now instead of telling me if a vehicle is safe, the safety ratings now tell me I am not safe unless I buy features I will never buy.

[@RahulShah87]

@@drwisdom1 that's sort of silly. Safety ratings are about *not* getting into a collision in the first place. The great thing about IIHS safety ratings is that it's designed by people putting billions of dollars of their money where their mouth is - the ratings are designed around insurance claims and insurance rates. I trust them a lot more than some random dude on the Internet who doesn't like safety features.

[@rcfreakamit]

Spot on.

[@drwisdom1]

@@RahulShah87 Do you also believe in JD Power ratings? Manufacturers spend lots of money buying those so they must be meaningful. The ratings say if you don't have automatic stopping your car isn't safe. People with automatic transmissions tend to run into things so may benefit from that feature. I drive manuals, pay attention, and don't tailgate so in 48 years of driving I have needed automatic stopping zero times. But I'm totally scared that living in Colorado automatic stopping will falsely trigger due to rocks in the road (which my salesman told me is an issue) and cause people to rear end me. I believe gas means go and brake means stop and negating that functionality makes the vehicle less predictable and more dangerous. I want to know how well the vehicle protects me if someone crashes into me.

[@RahulShah87]

@@drwisdom1 no. IIHS is not the same as JD Power. As I said, IIHS ratings help insurers price risk. There's just so much data behind what they do that you'd need to be some sort of numeraphobe to deny their ratings. You're really going downa path of what-aboutism once you were called out though...

[@alyssiabaksh646]

My Jeep’s height, and ability to roll safely saved my life this weekend. Thats enough of a test for me! Also, in the real world, there was breaking and swerving involved, so I did not hit my obstacle (person ran a 2 way stop) dead on. I did get launched through a hydro pole, and passenger and I walked out scratch free. Jeep Sahara 4dr 2022

[@BullittKid08]

🤣 all the jeep owners making excuses and saying they don't care about safety. We've got some badasses in here

[@finnishfatman]

No joke... I have Jeep Grand Cherokee WK myself, and even that is kinda unsafe (can blow a tire when doing hard evasion, ending in the woods or somewhere worse). I feel my family (1 year old daughter too) is safer in my wifes Hyundai i40 wagon :D Jeeps should stay off road. The speeds there are so slow, roll-overs usually aren't very dramatic (if the rollcage is good) :'P

[@fusiongaming8281]

Exactly, the jeeps aren't safe enough to protect their ego

[@ShabbernigdoXingjian]

Some of us are just willing to do the trade. Same as people who choose to ride motorcycles.

[@uweschroeder]

It's not an excuse. It's a simple matter of fact. We're all going to die, we might as well have a little fun while we can. How many people drive super safe vehicles and then have their mountain bikes on the back of them? If you're that concerned for your life, stay home and never leave. I never bought a vehicle for safety simply because that's a oxymoron. I bought all my vehicles for price and usefulness at the time. I bought the Wrangler to have fun and it's excellent at that.

[@dougfielding8215]

@@uweschroeder Well put. As Clint Eastwood said when talking about killing a man and the kid said "Well, I guess he had it coming" Clint pauses and drawls "We've all got it coming kid"

[@MattLawhonMusic]

One of my best friends was killed in a hit and run. He drove a 2016 wrangler and was hit by someone running a light. His Jeep rolled and he was killed almost immediately. However, the roll cage would have saved his life as it still held its structure even turned over. My buddy, Zach, was not buckled up. Lesson being, never underestimate the safety of a seatbelt and always drive defensively. Be safe out there fellas.

[@bmarie8965]

Sorry for your Loss. In side tips though it's the head hitting the pavement or glass that can kill yu

[@gffriedman]

A truck can’t crash when it’s in the shop. Jeeps are super safe.

[@johngreene6783]

Now that is funny and sadly, true

[@LaughingPyrate]

I'm sure FCA can design something that will fall off of a lift.

[@dragonsypher42]

So thats why i never see f150 in accidents.

[@paulj9821]

@ We don't care buddy. We aren't denying them. Wranglers were made for off roading. If people buy one to Mall crawl with then that's on them. Noticed how the IIHS crash scores have had no real impact on Jeep Wrangler sales. In fact there sales numbers are growing every year.

[@noahgregoryrealestate8048]

@ Actually 4 door Wranglers rank around the middle of the pack in terms of midsize SUV's when it comes to crash statistics. That's from IIHS too. They're not the safest vehicle on the market but they're definitely not death traps.

[@nbrowser]

I do like the fact TFL is international...with videos from both the US and Canada. THanks folks for knowing we're up here and into vehicles too!

[@ericparisien3051]

JL''s are indeed safer than my JK, because they are always at the shop being repaired!

[@Jonathan-tb6fm]

JL look better

[@ShabbernigdoXingjian]

@@Jonathan-tb6fm No

[@JollyFlys]

@@Jonathan-tb6fm JL are hideous, their tail lights look like a cheap chinese knockoff off the JK

[@tylerklassen2648]

Great video, but your conclusion at the end missed one big point. The addition of rear seat airbags would not compromise the Jeep's off-road ability. I would buy a Jeep Gladiator in a heartbeat if they had airbags in the back; without them I cannot justify the risk of someone running a red light and t-boning me when I am hauling my family around.

[@ProCoach2373]

I'm with ya. In 2024, it's unforgivable.

[@stephenbrown6763]

They are taller, offroad capable vehicles built with a massive roll bar...so yes they have a higher chance of tipping/rolling over. I'd like to see a test showing how effective the rool cage is.

[@nilsjohansson9739]

Aftermarket training wheels coming your way soon. Thank goodness the Jeep aftermarket is vast!

[@robhill8197]

I know this was an older video, but I'm just catching up on your guys offroad channel. I wanted to say this about Jeep's response to this incident (I drive Ram Trucks so I have no dog in this fight). When I was in High School in 1999 I have a 1985 Dodge Diplomat. I experienced this exact collision. I was coming into an exaggerated S curve as a drunk driver in a 92 Camaro was exiting it. Right before she hit me with all 4 wheels in my lane and me half off the road, as I closed my eyes I was centered in her headlights. Her vehicle went right down the side of my frame and both myself and my passenger exited the drivers side of the vehicle unscathed. It was almost the perfect 25% head on. Her vehicle spun off similar to what you see in the 4 runner you showed. Mine just kind of plowed through. The idea that this kind of crash "doesn't represent what Jeeps sees in the real world" is corporate bs speak imo. Side note: I loved my 92 Wrangler.

[@brandonjzorn1620]

As a Canadian living in Europe, I agree with the Euro NCAP results, our posted speed limit on the highways are 140KPH, on our two lane road it is 110KPH, the fact that this test was done at 64KPH which is basically in town driving. Makes the Jeep not not ideal for anything other then trips in town.

[@gs98999]

What car is ideal for a 140kmh head on collision? 👀

[@brandonjzorn1620]

@@gs98999 I was implying that the new Jeep isn't even safe for the speeds we drive at in Town, let alone the highways.

[@dustyclery8791]

What if I told you there are folks that drive these things called motorcycles. They have literally zero safety features minus brakes and most do not wear a helmet. Not ideal for anything but driving into town? Or up the side of a fookin mountain........I own mine as I appreciate the 4 wheel for chicago winters and occasional weekend excursions. You sound like my buddy here in the states. Went to Europe for a while, now he hates on the country he lives in, and has a pompous attitude. BMW is not the ultimate driving machine, it's Jeep. Also, some of those motorcycles and jeeps will fair just fine on "your town roads", or the racetrack. You know why people buy Jeeps and motorcycles? Because we are free to. Ohhhhh Blame Caaaaaaaanaaaaadaaaa with all their hockey hullabaloo and that bitch Anne Murray too BLAME CANADA SHAME ON CANADA!

[@mikevondebag]

Jeep owners are so desperate they start blaming paint on the floor 😂😂. I own a jku and don't care if it flips. The 35s help it roll over 😂

[@MakeQuickEasyMoney]

Just a little note, Jeeps did previously offer side airbags. They were an option since 2007. Also, the side airbags are not in the base of the seat, the are up and down the side torso area of the seat. They bust out through the stitches.

[@OniMetsuki]

Although it tipped over there was a much less abrupt stop, I would much prefer to face this than the Ranger crash test example. That one was a brutal stop.

[@314jeepsnmopars3]

The JL appears to have a far more narrow and tapered front fender design than the JK which I think resulted in it not hitting the center of the frame and rather deflecting. The the front fender flares contain no extra structural extension beyond where the bumper ends from the front end frame structure, but this test is done at 25% of the front end where the JL doesn't have the support structure off of the bumper/frame. I bring that up as the Bronco does have frame extensions that are removable for more ture clearance. Considering they were added and designed to be removed I wonder if they experienced something similar and did this as a late stage solution to prove at least when it left the factory it should perform the way it did. But I imagine a full length steel bumper could negate the possibility of this happening since you are extending the structural absorption of the energy to the parts of the vehicle not covered in the factory design.

[@trailrunnah8886]

It's a tall vehicle with a soft suspension, removable doors, and removable roof. Who would have thought that it wouldn't be as safe as a new Volvo? LOL. Honestly, who cares, safety is probably the last priority one has when purchasing a Wrangler. If people only bought Wranglers based on practicality, they wouldn't have sold any. And honestly, other than the tip, it look like it did better than the 4Runner in this test. The 4Runner looked like it may have had quite a bit of cabin intrusion from that front wheel.

[@forsakenace9577]

It’s still inexcusable for today’s standards. most Jeeps you see around are mall crawlers owned by soccer moms and guys with deep pockets. When the previous generation did better, that’s just sad. Jeep adds all the safety features and sells this product and people believe it cause the biggest argument about Jeep safety is “its only the old ones” and this invalidates that.

[@paulj9821]

@@forsakenace9577 How so? You are making a mountain out of a mole here. Regarding the Mall crawlers and yuppies buying Wranglers only to drive them on the City road 99% of the time, well that's on them.

[@johnfinch8173]

I observed during the slow-mo crash test of both vehicles that in fact the left front suspension mounts were torn off causing the front axle to rotate about its right suspension mountings resulting in the left front wheel being rotated directly under the chassis rail thus effectively launching the vehicle over to the right hand side on both vehicles tested. I guess the trick is if you're going to hit anything resembling a slight offset front collision, just aim dead center and you'll be just fine.

[@Xterraforce]

That's what I was thinking. When the guy said we don't know what caused it I was wondering if he had seen the video himself.

[@sledrelics]

I saw the same thing as well. The proper way to fix it is independent front suspension that tears away but who wants that in a jeep.

[@ge99ne]

The only solid front axle vehicle of those shown. It is likely acting like a lever to lift as the Jeep passes barrier

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

@@Xterraforce He just can't draw analytical conclusions in his interview. That is a legal liability issue. He's the VP of communications, not the head engineer of the cash test anaylsis department. I don't think the crash has anything to do with the axle. The steel part of the front body on the Jeep is narrower. Only plastic flares cover the wheels. This lack of steel in the offset front crash removes material which can deform and absorb energy in this test. Therefore the Jeep carries a lot of energy after the impact as evident by how far it went compared to the 4Runner and Ranger. This energy helps to tip it over. The front of the body basically forms a wedge which helps push the vehicle towards the passenger side and as soon as the collision advances to the A pillar location the Jeep begins to tip because almost non of the energy has been absorbed at this point and the vehicle has move a little towards the passenger side. Hitting the A pillar location with a glancing blow in the collision causes a large force to develop pushing the Jeep again to the passenger side and ultimately on it's side. You can see this clearly at 1:18 and 1:29. In the 4Runner (2:31) the A pillar location hits much more square and it looks like a majority of the energy is absorbed at this point. In the Ranger (2:50) it looks to hit less square and thus a force develops pushing the vehicle to the passenger side. So I think it has more to do with how the front of the Jeep body is designed. This is a key, almost iconic, aesthetic design element of Wranglers so you get what you get.

[@Insomnia_tic]

Great point, And it goes without saying that your attention should be on the road, but what if it’s elsewhere or if something else happens. Yeah, I sound “what if what if” but that’s what the safety rating is about: when humans fail because humans fail, what will the vehicle do to protect them.

[@fusiongaming8281]

According to this comment section, it seems like jeeps are not safe enough to protect their owners fragile ego. I'd like it if a more unbiased source made a video about this.

[@tasiarenee5392]

Yes im not sure why everyone is so upset over a safety video as if all cars dont have a safety video 🙄

[@CRYFFX]

Hey. You forgot to mention that the video was "Sponsored by Jeep"

[@TFLoffroad]

Good Grief, this is both sides of the story. What part of that don’t you understand?

[@humbertorubi2735]

TFLoffroad Guys, you should not jump in on this. Independently if is true or not you’re sponsored by them people will find suspicious you jump in to justify the problems of your well known favorite brand. It just doesn’t look good even if you have the best intentions, smells too much like damage control. If it was a 4Runner doing this bad probably you will never do a video like this and you know it is true. Also the questioning of EuroNcap and Ancap ratings leave a lot to say. I’m a constant follower of your work and even when I find acceptable some bias regarding your local brands I think this is just too much obvious.

[@siraff4461]

@@TFLoffroad Your rubicon is showing. iihs and euroncap are both well known, impartial testers but you're trying to cast doubt on their findings on a maker who happens to be throwing mopar parts at you faster than you can get them fitted. This isn't both sides. This is obviously very biased and below your usual standards.

[@BullittKid08]

@@humbertorubi2735 no offense but your comment is unreadable

[@LaughingPyrate]

@@TFLoffroad It doesn't look like you're telling "both sides" of the story when you downplay the expert testing and upsell the Jeep's other safety features. The last bit of your video came off more like a Jeep commercial.

[@KristoferOlsson]

sry but your segment of the Euro ncap was pretty crappy. They had alot more to say about the wrangler that was terrible. Saftey systems was terrible, child protecion was terrible and pedestrian saftey was one of the worst ever. This is dmg controll from Jeep. TFL is scared from loosing jeeps to test.

[@paulj9821]

Dude you do nothing but take every opportunity to shit on the wrangler and to top it off you report to Hyperbolic statements. I have already counted over 12 replies you have made on this video. Jeep people won't take you seriously at all since it's obvious how heavily biased you are against the brand.

[@jessdunn05]

Roll or Tip? Does it matter. Puts the vehicle in a more likely situation to cause more harm to the driver/passengers.

[@louisbaghec2570]

I’m more worried about the rear passenger head hitting the c pillar than the tip over. That c pillar is solid and the outcome can not be good.

[@ahighervibe4086]

Looking at the video, the passenger compartment did pretty well....whereas in other vehicles it looks like the lower leg area gets pushed in. Personally, I'd rather bounce off the obstacle and tip over than have my legs cut off at the knees! I've had three generations of wranglers and loved all of them. Because I was driving a Wrangler, I drove slightly slower, and safer. BTW I had a JK that was T-Boned HARD...sent me flying...but I walked away unscathed. Go figure.

[@cookiebaker6133]

Exactly, my point as well

[@bellat4484]

Did you ever transported kids in the back seat?

[@macsloan58]

Good video. Your grammar and presentation make it enjoyable and easy to view. My first vehicle in 1974 was a 1963 Jeep CJ Tuxedo Park. Top speed - maybe 55. I tipped it twice. Once after spinning on ice and another after being run off the road by a careless driver coming toward me. Since then. I have owned many CJ type jeeps from a 73 through a 2012. I never considered them as a safe vehicle, but drove accordingly. Your report is good and I especially appreciate the distinction between a roll over and a tip over. Plus, in the crash test, I will be damned if that was 25% of the vehicle overlapping the crash barrier. Not much else could happen except a tip over. Good job.

[@jonr60]

4:26 - my 2011 Jeep JKU Rubicon has side airbags in the front driver and passenger seat - it was an option, but not standard equipment. Your statement about previous Jeep models is misleading.

[@jfawkes6422]

My 2012 has them. It was a 495 dollar option, if I remember correctly, but I made it a point to get them. (And mine is only a Sport.)

[@marcosvillafane8783]

aint no joke my father and I had the exact accident, it tipped over just like this video

[@jimmyhendrix3457]

But he lived so who cares

[@mrpw1402]

Jimmy Hendrix Can you confirm that he did?

[@gman7640]

were you hurt? to me , the flipping over on the side is not all that bad. It looks like it's a good way to dissipate the energy from the impact

[@alphatrion100]

@@gman7640 Stop kidding yourself

[@duoglide69]

Was that a real world crash ?

[@cyrus6692]

I purchased a brand new 2003 Jeep Wrangler Sport and drove it for 10 years. I loved my Jeep, but one major issue with this well kept Jeep was that I got my first“Death Wobble” when I had only 20,000 miles on the vehicle. I was on 95 South between two 18 wheelers and the violent shake started at 50 miles an hour! The steering wheel was violently shaking and I had absolutely no control over my Jeep. I literally saw Jesus at that moment. I slowed down and vibration went away. Went to dealership, they changed tie rod and told me everything was fixed. A week later on the highway I got the “Death Wobble” again! This time a mechanic put brand new tires on my Jeep even though I only had 20,000 miles on my tires. That seemed to work for a while and then I just decided to sell it before it happens again. I’ve been told it’s an ongoing issue with all jeeps because of solid front axle design. It might be a good idea to consider this issue before buying a Jeep if your wife and kids going to ride with you!

[@mediocrehat]

I would agree with this assessment if the weaknesses of the Wrangler were inherently related to its offroad capability. Sure that's arguably the case for the tip-over problem (but, as you note, the 4Runner does fine there). But, while rollover is sort of an inherent hazard in tall SUVs with longer suspension travel, there's really no excuse for the weak passenger compartment, or the lack of protection for rear seat passengers. These features were simply value-engineered out to increase profits for FCA. Worse still, no provision is made to protect the passengers in the event of a tip-over/rollover despite the inherent risk. The 2020 Wrangler has only a small side airbag for the front seat occupants. At the very least, full curtain airbags would prevent rear seat passengers' heads from impacting the C-pillar or pavement in such a crash. Given the inherent risk of rollover, the responsible thing to do would have been to maximize protection for passengers if the vehicle did tip, but this clearly wasn't done. So now there's a scenario where, in an accident at well below freeway speeds, the vehicle can tip onto it's side and cause a significant head injury to passengers in the back (who are typically children). That should bother people. The safety deficiencies are optional, not inherent to the design. They could have been mitigated without compromising the vehicle, but haven't been. The old JK had a significantly higher death rate than the average in its class, (more than twice that of the 4Runner, and nearly twice that of the Xterra or FJ cruiser), and it seems FCA are not trying to remedy that in any serious way. The callous response of basically: "no matter how unsafe our vehicle is shown to be, we're still allowed to sell it," should tell consumers where FCA's priorities are. Despite my above critique, I agree that this thing isn't horrifically dangerous. What bothers me is that the problems could have been fixed if FCA was willing to spend just a little more money and make a just little less profit. There are real human beings who will die or be permanently disabled because someone at FCA wanted to squeeze out a tiny amount of extra profit for shareholders. As consumers, we really shouldn't reward this kind of behavior with our dollars. Maybe hold off a year and see how the Bronco does?

[@DirtComplex]

For better or for worse safety features and driving aids are becoming standard on even the cheapest entry level vehicles. It's nothing to brag about that the Wrangler comes with these driving aids when you can get them on any new car. It's a shame that the rear passengers don't get an airbag! That being said, I appreciate the Wrangler and it's dominance in the offroad scene. It's a great true SUV! This is coming from a loyal Toyota owner. See you on the trails!!

[@kpl9439]

Only 1 Star on the EURO NCAP test. This car isn't safe. Only a fiat Panda does worse with none of the 5 stars. (These test only test cars you can buy in Europe)

[@blooder2006]

It only means that jeep is not very safe in crashing concrete walls and not very safe for pedestrians. But anyway in a car-vs-car crash the jeep is much safer than any small 5-star car.

[@KristoferOlsson]

@Bill Madd go and read the details in the Euroncap about the Wrangler. The Wrangler failed in almost every test they have it was not that easy that he makes it sound in the video. 2 parts were it didnt fail was whiplash 1.7 out of 2 points. (good score but not great) the other part was seatbelt pretensioner 2 out 2 points they worked great. Then remember that the Euroncap he talkes about is made in 31 mph and they wrote that anything faster then that would be extremly bad. All cars are rated like this not only the Wrangler.

[@KristoferOlsson]

@@blooder2006 any test that supports that claim? Thinking that a big car is allways safer is a false safety feeling.

[@siraff4461]

@Bill Madd You realise euroncap have bene doing this a very long time and have a lot of data available, right? Its not hard to take deformation at a load then extrapolate that to a higher load. Imagine trying to squash a can from the top. It will hold up great but once it starts to go it goes easily. This was on the borderline of that collapse is what they're saying - at 31mph. Do 40-45mph and its going to look like you ran over a can.

[@siraff4461]

@@blooder2006 That is complete horsesh1t thats been proven wrong multiple times. Its nothing to do with size and everything to do with dealing with applied force. Simply put this can put out a lot of force but can't deal with it.

[@John-yf4ie]

In 2015 my wife and I were on the way to work when a Ford Escort lost control and hit us broad side in my 2011 Jeep Wrangler. The only damage to my Jeep was the lower trim on the drivers door and factory running board. Total cost for repairs $300. The entire front of the Ford Escort was damaged and was told it was totaled. We fixed my Jeep and traded in for a 2018 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Recon. From that day on my wife and I stick with the Jeep and its safety. We also purchased a special ordered Jeep Gladiator Rubicon and love it!! John

[@linkus96]

uh its a Jeep... they flip over. they've always been know for having a high center of gravity. Why is this news now? not going to lie i'm a bit confused.

[@ahmeddawood5665]

the world has gone soft, they don't know what the jeep was meant for. i own a jk that thing is safe but it was meant for off duty.

[@tasiarenee5392]

@@ahmeddawood5665 buddy how is the world soft for talking about car safety? There is crash test and safety videos for all cars. Its a simple concern. You act like jeeps are getting “ cancelled” or something

[@tanneeee]

Just ordered a jeep wrangler, thank you for this video !

[@chriswilson433]

I think someone said it in the comments of the last video; that the solid front axle is likely the cause of the tip-over. I believe the vehicle is the only one of it’s size and and dimension with a solid front axle. Heavy duty trucks are larger and heavier so they would react differently to a, relatively, small barrier.

[@theldaniel170]

Either way, older cars with front solid axles and similar or bigger dimensions, don't behave the same way as this newer jeep

[@paulj9821]

@@theldaniel170 No they are worse. So what is your point? Don't bother to argue this, vehicles in the 90's and early 2000's were significantly more unsafe. Show me the Older solid front axle vehicles that are in the same class and segment or similar to the modern wrangler and I guarantee you they are much more dangerous in a fatal crash.

[@gregariousb3974]

Dude. Spend 5 min and normalize the volume. The content is great, but frustrating turning up and then down the video all the way through.

[@ingenieriasdwight9585]

Everything could be dangerous at some point, even the safest car in the world will be deadly if you crash at high speeds, so people must know that when buying a vehicle like this, just drive with caution (not only in a Wrangler obviously) the best safety features on any car, is your caution, knowledge, reaction time and practice on the brakes and handling

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

Obviously collisions at a high rate of speed result in more fatalities. The point of these tests is to compare vehicles using the exact same test so you can form an informed opinion about their safety. That's why they don't do crash tests at highway speeds. It's like the fuel economy tests. The test is not designed to tell you what mileage to expect, but multiple vehicles are tested with the exact same test parameters so you can compare the results of different vehicles meaningfully. You can say vehicle A will use less fuel than vehicle B based on the results. I do agree that you are the best safety feature of your car.

[@JoeyLovesTrains]

IIHS: hey, FC, your car tipped over. FC: oh, just attached the sled differently, that will probably help. IIHS: it did the same thing. FC: ...

[@ELP1125]

JoeyLovesTrains *shocked Pikachu face* 😂😂😂

[@desertgamer256fortnite8]

I think the real life safety tests are very variable and relative. We own jeep wrangler and we unfortunately involved in some major accidents, surprisingly enough after the accident we drove the car home with minor scratches while the other cars were crumbled like coke cans. Jeep wrangler is safe car

[@cookiebaker6133]

Sorry for your accidents, but to be honest, I have seen some videos online and I totally agree with your experience. Wrangler is that type of car in this specific small overlap test may tip off, but when on the road if really crashes into a sedan, that sedan is probably screwed compare to the lightly damaged wrangler.

[@GDannnn]

Just because a car has adaptive cruise control doesnt make it safe.. i saw another comment stating that this video is sponsored by jeep and ur sarcastic response of a comment and after watching the full video i agree stating this is a sponsored video. Just because it’s inherently an off road vehicle doesnt make or justify the lack of engineering to make it a safer vehicle. Land Rover for an example aces the tests without breaking a sweat.. and is comparable off road..

[@noobeenaut]

Unfortunate that land rovers/range rovers cant last more than 50,000 miles without some sort of major failure. Other wise they are good cars

[@paulj9821]

No they aren't. They are comparable to a Grand Cherokee. Next your Beloved LandRover Company makes $85,000 Luxury SUV's that will bankrupt you with maintenance and parts.

[@michaelrodriguez9058]

I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I can say it’s better to be deflected than stay held in place by impact. So tipping over for me is way better than hitting impact. It’s like the formula one cars. They spread apart

[@onebackzach]

I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone. Top heavy vehicles that are designed to have half of the bodywork removed are not going to be as safe as standard passenger vehicles. I think that it is very important to take into consideration though, because the vast majority of Wrangler buyers do not benefit from those features and end up trading off safety for cool factor.

[@paolo4002]

At first blush it looks to me that the axle, which is solid, turned underneath the vehicle after impact. With the wheel and tire still attached on the right side and at near 90 degrees, the displaced axle basically provided a lever and the extra force needed to tip the vehicle. My guess

[@eytanwaide9055]

I ordered a 2022 Wrangler 4 door sport, first thing I am getting is a well made front push / guard bar, hopefully it will be an additional safety feature

[@ajhill5094]

Jeep said they've never seen a real world crash like that? Like someone crossing the center line? OK, jeep. I understand buying a jeep, you accept it will have some different issues or weaknesses than vehicles that are purely on-road vehicles, but don't bs us, jeep.

[@RalphCu]

I’m kinda thinking it’s an unrealistic test. It seems to simulate a hitting a bridge abutment. So even if it was realistic for someone to drive straight into a bridge abutment with only a small overlap and without any steering or brake input, it’d be a single car accident. Hitting a 5 foot tall rigid immovable barrier does not seem in any way representative of colliding with another vehicle. The tests are informative for a crush and safety cage analysis, but I don’t think the vehicle dynamics after the primary collision are necessarily what would happen in a real world collision.

[@siraff4461]

Funny because the small overlap test was introduced specifically because it was one of the most common kinds of accident. Maybe Jeep weren't looking.

[@paulj9821]

@@siraff4461 No it's not. You know what I find rather amusing. The very people such as you and Kristoff who have made many anti wrangler replies are the same people having to resort to lies to maintain your narrative. The small overlap was not introduced because it was the most common. In fact go look the stats up yourself instead of having to resort to lying.

[@johngreene6783]

Two door vs Four door. I would think that the 4 door would be more stable due to longer wheelbase While Jeeps have definitely improved, they are notorious for rolling or tipping over, as are most high profile vehicles. Jeeps just seem to be more of a concern

[@xq39]

suvs like that flip over extremely easily. suv's that get t boned while moving at moderate speed roll over and make a minor collision into a disaster.

[@kevman949]

Being surprised that a Wrangler rolls over is like being surprised that water is wet. Wouldn't trade my 2018 JL Unlimited Sahara for anything.

[@shanealtmann]

100% brother, love my 2020! Best thing I ever bought. I can't explain to people who don't own one just how delightful it is. I have never enjoyed owning a vehicle as much as I do this one. Maybe my first ever car. Even then .....

[@2fastnlight]

Door and roof removal has little to do with off road capability. It is about image and you did not quite admit that safety was compromised for that.

[@beaudaniel1370]

not a big fan of motorcycles are you?

[@2fastnlight]

@@beaudaniel1370 just put 660 miles on one yesterday, including 60 in the dirt. How many folks are pulling doors off a late model vehicle because it takes you further off road that way.... being noticed had always been the reason for it.

[@ironicchannelname6457]

@@2fastnlight the reason is the same as a motorcycle its the open air the feeling of freedom

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

@@ironicchannelname6457 That is true, but the crash tests help remind us that those design element come at a price for safety. The choice is yours. The crash tests just give consumers more information so they can make the right purchase for them.

[@johnwesley1660]

What do you expect? It's a Fiat.

[@jbutler9756]

Now this is some choice automotive journalism outside of just what’s hot and what’s new. Great to see on the channel.

[@qaztzaq]

I wonder if the 4xe would roll over with the battery pack weight being low on the vehicle.

[@gpalmer456]

“At 80 mph, the Harley Davidson failed the crash test.” Honestly, I didn’t buy my Jeep for the safety rating.

[@ingenieriasdwight9585]

Hahaha that is the best comment here! I always remember motorcycles when people talk about safety ratings.

[@ShabbernigdoXingjian]

@Gus Johnson and im ok with that : )

[@paulj9821]

@@ShabbernigdoXingjian Who cares this is a lifestyle choice. Jeeps Wranglers were designed primarily for pure off roading. The problem is the yuppies that buy Wranglers to do nothing but mall crawl with them and then complain when they get into an accident that's it's unsafe.

[@281crane]

Side airbags were available as an option on the JK.

[@Van_Liberty]

The job for Jeep is to lower the CG...Change materials mix to lighter and as strong or stronger on the CG and upward.

[@49giantwarriors83]

I saw jeep teased the 6.4 v8 on twitter in what looked like a wrangler/gladiator. If this is true then they better work on the CG

[@flybabyw6550]

When considering the rollover test that are done, it must be remembered that the Jeeps have a very tight turning radius and someone who does not normally drive a Jeep is not used to the quick response and how many degrees you can turn a Jeep with very little input. I wonder if they actually measure the degree of turn put into each vehicle during the test?

[@christopherrolandgeorgecow1885]

And as far as your video goes well said pretty much sums it up except the fact that it could trench through up to 4-5 ft of snow too can you safest vehicles do that too

[@christopherrolandgeorgecow1885]

And can you customize your suv car truck like you can a wrangler can your safest vehicle promise you will always be able to make to that important appointment you made during the snow seasons

[@sigor2011]

Sounds good. If you want safe car, don't buy jeep. If you want serious rock crawling buy ATV.

[@anthonyp6462]

Has anyone retested with a 4xe? It's heavier with a lower center of gravity due to the batteries. I'm wondering if the results would be different? Also, @TFL, have you run a 4xe efficiency test on the Ike? Thanks, love the channel

[@michaela653]

Great video! i change my 2011 JKU for a 2019 RAM DT to have more space in the back seat, but after this video, i am glad to have changed for the security of my kids(head touching the C pillar). i hope Jeep will add air bag in the back seat....

[@michaela653]

@Gus Goose so because i change my jeep to have more space, and i change it only for that...and after realize my kid can be hurt seriously i am a kind of weird...maybe! But i do not think like an idiot like you....and by the way mon nom est Michael car je suis un francophone du Canada!

[@uweschroeder]

You should have thought about your kids before you bought a Jeep. It's well known that Jeeps are a lot less safe than most other cars - it's what a solid axle and solid frame vehicle gives you. Even looking at the flimsy doors should have persuaded you to get something different. Not too long ago Jeeps used to have a sign on the visor advising you that the doors are not designed to keep occupants inside the vehicle...

[@jameslangley7706]

So I have actually watched one of the 2020 Jeeps tip over in a crash at about 60 mph . The collision was about a quarter impact head on with a Nissan rogue. The Jeep tipped onto the passenger side and slid about 50 ft while the Nissan did a 180 but stayed on all 4. Both drivers were pinned inside the vehicles and had to be air lifted due to head injuries.

[@nycmaverick]

Toyota, Range Rover, Dodge, Ford and others all have dedicated models for off road c'mon Stevie. That comment is just poor journalism .

[@ingenieriasdwight9585]

Yes off road models, but not as good off-roaders as this one. Everything comes at a price

[@KTMcaptain]

@@ingenieriasdwight9585 So a G63 AMG, 4x4 squared, 6x6, aren't just as capable as a wrangler? So a raptor isn't as capable?

[@engineergaming4295]

Range Rover is not a company. It’s a car produced by Landrover

[@bensonpurplet8265]

Firestarter nope wranglers are best off-road car on the market

[@guyincognito210]

True, he should have highlighted the Wranglers most unique feature instead, the ability to remove the top and doors. And he did mention it at least once. That is the main attraction over all other vehicles and the main reason people compromise safety.

[@jpowell9343]

I'm not a jeep owner but in the upset the cab never hardly gets tweaked... solid frame. Thought it done well, although tipped over thats the style of the vehicle. Check out the Silverado and tundra, those get smashed pretty good.

[@clivehorridge]

I’d say a tip-over would be the last of my worries, in a driver side crash such as this...

[@bmarie8965]

Well if it's passenger side tip Yu will hit your head

[@JimmyMoultray]

My 2013 Wrangler Unlimited has front side airbags in the seats. It took me a year and a half to find a brand new one on the dealer lot without having to factory order the airbags. But they have been available since 2012 I believe, but as a $500 option, which was hardly ever ticked.

[@theevilwitchtheband]

FCA will still manufacture with the minimum safety that allows them to sell their cars... as long as there are customers willing to buy their cars, FCA will still doing it that way.

[@badgerpa9]

They all get caught with something, VW did the diesel scam thinking they would not get caught now someone else just got caught doing something similar. Ford had the rollover Bronco in the 1990's and there are many more. There always is dishonest people in government, business and churches etc. That is why so many countries fail is the corrupt people fight to take charge and the nice people try to take care of their family and avoid the riots.

[@psychologicaltirefire8190]

Uhhhhh, a Jeep Cherokee and the Renegade were both the IIHS Top Safety Picks in 2019.

[@maverick_578]

Would the tip over not help disapate impact, transfering the momentum forwards instead of a stop?

[@kahless0173]

They claim it's safe but then they also claimed they were redesigning it so it wouldn't do that anymore.

[@BPJac]

Most of these crashes don't happen while you are offroading - they happen when you are traveling with your family to the grocery store, and that is when you will be missing the safety aspects other vehicles give you. This seems to me like they will eventually have to redesign the vehicle entirely - just like what happened with the old Land Rover Defender - LR was unable to make the old design meet new safety regulations so they had to stop making it. It was completely redesigned and now you can get a Defender again, but it is watered down a lot.

[@ninersforlife7682]

Good video. Really trying to blame a painted floor?! 😂😂 It kind of makes sense it's tall and not very wide.

[@texasyeeha972]

The question I would have liked responded to by the IIHS rep is an evaluation of what kind of injuries the front passengers may have sustained. It didn’t look like the rollover or tip over (terminology) introduced significantly more damage to belted in front driver/passenger. Noted, rear seats - all bets are off. And noted the EU suggesting it barely protected front seated people even if it’s a bit subjective to go there. Thx for video, thx for objectivity, well done.

[@dynasty2295]

Ah sweet they showed a 2007 4runner, my car and its got the rear side airbags!

[@connordavis2142]

2019 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport for sale, slight fender damage on left side, will buff out, definitely not involved in an IIHS crash test in which it struck a solid structure at 40 mph, proceeding to roll over upon impact...

[@josh9465]

Rear passenger side airbags has let this new car safety down big time for this 2020 model.

[@indojeep2623]

I was hit by a truck in my jk. I did spin before coming to a complete stop. I know wranglers are not the safest vehicle on the market and they aren't designed to be. I still felt safe in mine. I barely moved in my seat much and, surprisingly, the damage was only cosmetic. They aren't the most padded and probably don't have the best crumple patterns. My jeep kept me safe though.

[@aslkdfjhg]

There is an expectation that the car is safe whether you're fine with it's performance or not. To say Jeep is compromising on safety is very concerning and is gonna have big ramifications.

[@ironicchannelname6457]

Its a jeep not a honda it built for offroad not daily commuting

[@paulj9821]

Yet there sales increase massively every year. The car is not unsafe. It's just not to your liking. If you want a safer road designed 4x4 vehicle then get a Grand Cherokee.

[@officialyasir]

I guarantee you the new Ford Bronco will do much better than the Wrangler. Just like the F150 has the best crash test ratings for any pickup.

[@richardleon8314]

Actually, the Ram 1500 has a better IIHS test rating

[@paulj9821]

@@richardleon8314 Bahahahahah.....God that had to sting.

[@paulj9821]

Ok FORD fanboy. Oh and I own a 19 F-150. The 2020 RAM 1500 beat the F-150 in safety ratings Amigo. Next the Bronco was never a better Off Roading Vehicle than the Wrangler. When it out does the Jeep in that department and when you can remove the doors and front window etc.... than we can talk.

[@electrikoptik]

Why people keeps buying these garbage FCA products like a Jeep Wrangler is beyond me. Same goes for JLR products.

[@flight2k5]

Jeeps have been garbage long before fca.

[@officialyasir]

20% of Jeep buyers off-road them and 80% put big tires or wheels and go mall crawling and just buy them for looks.

[@FOXROKT]

It’s called choice or preference.....but funny how they have one of the highest resale values on the market 😎

[@flight2k5]

FOXROKT naw Toyota has the highest.

[@FOXROKT]

flight2k5 hence why I said ONE OF the highest.... it’s second but yeah they are garbage lmao 😎

[@joshuafrahm8778]

It's a short wheelbase with a narrow track and high center of gravity, of course it's going to be easier to tip over. It's been that way since the beginning.

[@wayne-oo]

Roll over or tip over is like saying nuclear bomb or hydrogen bomb !

[@Willg95]

A rollover and a tip over is different. A tip over is easier to recover at the scene where as a rollover has many variables. Know this from recovering different vehicles

[@dragonsypher42]

Nuclear bomb blows up your city, Hydrogen Bomb blows up your county.

[@badgerpa9]

If you rollover on to the roof and hang upside down you would agree it is a big difference.

[@drmobius8907]

You can see on the slow motion that the tire runs under the driver side footwell and launches the car over. The 2 door wrangler did ok in the moose (elk) test so stability doesn’t seem too bad

[@dannyg5636]

The jeep wrangler is a one trick pony. So you buy it for that or you buy it for looks/styling

[@crsantin]

A vehicle that tips or rolls on impact is not safe. It’s pretty simple. You don’t want to be upside down after a collision. Back seat safety in the Wrangler looks rather poor. I don’t know why these things are so popular.

[@FOXROKT]

You clearly have never owned one.

[@Floreypottery]

Thinking the ranger took it pretty well jeep took it hard

[@Queensizemusic]

The 4Runner did well also...and, well, it's a Toyota! I like Jeeps, but the Yoda always gets the nod.

[@duoglide69]

Ya but the dummies legs were severely damaged in the testing reports.

[@tuffytoys9707]

I think i would prefer to follow the Euro Crash test result because as in the real world a crash would most likely happen at a somewhat higher speed than the Test and there would be so many variables to account for that i would have preferred stronger metal on the Pillars and floors etc. Most cars these days are sold by marketing/PR and there is not enough focus on the actual quality of the vehicle. That being said i would stay away from the Fiat/Chrystler brands due to quality issues and if i want a rock crawler i would choose a much better platform such as Ford or Toyota or even the older Mitsubishi etc, less breakage more fun and not as costly. Thanks for the video and your insight into the compromises however with much better options out there in my opinion , i would look elsewhere.

[@dg7438]

As if the new Bronco isn't already giving Jeep a headache lol

[@bryan_turner]

It's pretty self explanatory as to why it happened. The open fenders up front are why it does what it does. It's essentially a glancing blow to the real front structure of the vehicle.

[@clwade10]

Still better than a motorcycle LOL. I understand the characteristics of my JKU and I drive accordingly. Slow down and take corners easy. If you drive like a dbag you can roll ANY vehicle. The driver is the best safety feature!

[@vvk]

Interestingly JKU did not too over so in a sense Fiat is getting worse at least in that tewty

[@OutdoorAviator]

idk if it's better than a motorcycle man 😅. I had an accident few months ago when I was cut off by a 18y kid in a camaro. I hit em in the right rear side at 40-30mph ish, I went airborne (mind you this is the highway with heavy traffic) literally nothing happened to me (had gloves helmet and jacket with all armor (shoulder back and elbow) ) my bike had its plastics broken and the front upper fairing stay broke. I ripped off the fairings and rode her home because I refused to over pay for a tow... My bike was a 05 CBR600RR

[@clwade10]

@@OutdoorAviator Sorry to hear about your accident. I would still rather take my chances with a full cage around me and steel bumpers than body armor. (Jacket, Helmet etc) . Fancy a game of chicken? LOL kidding of course...

[@paulj9821]

@@OutdoorAviator Dude please just stop. You are batshit crazy. Just because you got lucky doesn't change anything. Motorbikes are deadly period. They are significantly more likely to kill the rider than any vehicle on the road today. I used to ride bikes from 17-35 years of age and I raced them locally on the track. In fact in many states riders I used to know have stop riding due to the increased risks of getting killed by a Car on the road and the road conditions.

[@OutdoorAviator]

@@paulj9821 accidents are weird man, it has to do with so many variables I've seen so many people get really hurt from small accidents and other walk away from serious ones obviously not always the case. and it's true motorcycle are more dangerous and I'm ok with that because it's my passion :)

[@MNDashcam]

I would argue that boats and airplanes are out of the box off road vehicles.