Is the Shroud of Turin a Photograph of Jesus' Resurrection? Expert Answers

[@directorchuks8156]

Shroud or no shroud Jesus is king.

[@ConnieKeen-zp5fk]

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. The gift of salvation. Believe it and receive it.

[@OLskewL]

Hallelujah ❤️

[@malcolmlayton2050]

Exactly ... I believe because the Spirit testifies to my spirit that I am a child of God ... but for those outside the kingdom maybe God is ramping up the evidence because time is short (and we have the technology to support that the shroud is something beyond us)

[@maxitb1921]

Amen. That's all we can be 100% sure

[@shathajajo3189]

Amen!!

[@engee7206]

The pollen and dirt tests also match Jerusalem. Yet another thing a medieval forger would've had no idea he had to be aware of.

[@dmcgwhisper5945]

Satan is aware. Satan confuses.

[@korosu_oda]

@@dmcgwhisper5945 Matthew 12:24-28 24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.” 25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

[@dmcgwhisper5945]

@@korosu_oda Precisely so.

[@agffans5725]

@@dmcgwhisper5945 . The last thing Satan would want to do, is make you believe that Jesus existed through a perfect forgery that cannot be made with human technology or disproved.

[@damieno3470]

Don't forget that the location of the c14 sample taken is questionable since it was taken from a repair patch that matches the type of weave from the middle ages vs the higher quality of the rest of the shroud! I certainly do not trust the carbon dating, they didn't follow proper procedures for that sample.

[@Unitarianwithattitude]

"You believe because you have seen me? happy is he who has not seen yet believes." Yashua has risen, and has conquered...Yashua is Lord and King👑

[@chrisbrooks4032]

I wonder why that schmuck line was added. Hmmmmm Maybe cause since the author knew that since the stupid shit was made up, he knew NO EVIDENCE WOULD EVER BE PROVIDED. So, why not do the incredibly stupid thing and believe anyway? Seems legit 😂😂😂😂

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying?

[@Unitarianwithattitude]

@@easybandzofficial6456 How does that debunk the Shroud?

[@darkside791]

​@@easybandzofficial6456guy, they worship a man that died on a cross miserably instead of one and only god. Hell they don't even question why their god send his son to earth only to be suffer and die for people sins? 😂 What you expect from them?

[@theg-men8961]

Amen! Don’t need to know if this is to believe or not but if it is, that’s pretty cool haha

[@carrikartes1403]

My mom watched a documentary on the shroud of Turin when I was young and she became a born again Christian. She was a “cultural “ Christian previously. She was a very loving and faithful servant of Christ. She sent her 7 children to lutheran parochial school . I am so grateful because she was a good example and I have been a strong believer since childhood. I have a fondness for the shroud . God is good.

[@cybersquaregaming]

cultural christian made me cringe X( I'm glad she is saved now :)

[@dan_mer]

You know what the atheists say now, it's some random Jew from the 1st century. You know, some random guy that transformed into energy in a tremendous energy burst. Some guy.

[@DakotaDoc]

Yeah, some random Jew that was buried in a Richman’s burial cloth. Was heavily scourged and had marks from a crown of thorns. His legs were not broken as traditional and speared in the side. The blood on the shroud is also real (type AB). Just random, and no other burial should exists like it.

[@publichearing8536]

really could've been anyone, right? right?!?

[@LuciferAlmighty]

No, we say it was dated to the 1300's because that hasn't been refuted.

[@CynHicks]

​@LuciferAlmighty And "when it is" you'll definitely see it has evidence for Jesus rising from the dead like the witnesses claimed. Of course you won't. Oh and your name is some "edge lord" teenage boy level cringe. I'm getting 2nd hand embarrassed over here.

[@vikinghoodbluelighthouse2911]

@@LuciferAlmightyyet there are traces of it leading from Jerusalem. That patch they took that from was a repair.

[@efghaus]

As believers in Jesus the shroud doesn't increase or decrease our faith. But for the unbeliever, atheist or agnostic, iF the shroud becomes the mechanism by which they begin to seek the truth, well, hallelujah!!! Seek and you shall find the truth it will set free from sin.

[@montgomerymcbee8814]

Blood on the Sudarium of Oviedo and the Shroud are of the same blood type. Also, all crucifixion paintings from the Middle Ages depicting the nail wounds show them in the palms of the hands (an anatomical impossibility for a crucifixion because the weight of the body in the cross would have pulled through the soft tissue between the phalanges). However, the shroud correctly and uniquely show the wounds through the wrists which would have supported the body. A middle age shroud forgery would have depicted the wounds in the palms. Some claim that only DaVinci could have created a shroud with this type of image. However, his crucifixion sketch clearly shows the nails through the palms. If Michelangelo did it, all of his crucifixion images show wounds in the palm. Clearly, none of the extant Masters of that era created the shroud image. Also, one of the newest dating methods called wide-angle x-ray scattering (does not require the destruction of the fibers like carbon dating determined the age of the shroud to be between 500 BC and AD 500, within the range of years of Jesus’ life. There are so many evidences from various fields of study, etc. that when put together, more than prove the authenticity of the shroud as the burial cloth of my Savior.

[@Gutslinger]

1. Is the radiation image that is on the shroud also on the Sundarium of Oviedo? If not, why? Because you would think if they were both on the same man, the radiation image would be printed on it too. 2. The commonly repeated and believed claim that you can't peirce someone in the palms without the nails ripping out is false. There's actually a way in which you can peirce the palms, which involves the nail going in near the bottom of the palm at the crease of the thumb muscle, and angling it towards the back of the wrist. There's a video out there somewhere of a doctor demonstrating it. He also shows a photo of a deceased victim that had a knife embedded in her hand in that manner, which results in causing the thumb to fold under the palm like the image on the shroud.

[@freddavis976]

This video is why I like listening to Christians. People got doubted, but no one got dissed. True of both David and Gary.

[@amitaysussholz6544]

I grew up as an atheist, since the 7th of October I began questioning, and yesterday I asked god a sign that I could understand if I should believe the religion of my ancestors or Christianity. Somehow I feel as if this shroud is my sign from our lord, fake or real it feels like what I asked for, when I needed it

[@justinwalker5441]

@@PGP2No it’s not. You are still making a choice.

[@justinwalker5441]

@@PGP2 Not if it matches logic. Then it only makes sense to make that choice, and either which way if you were given a choice and something makes more sense to choose then you are still making the choice in the end. There are plenty of people who know what choice to make about something but choose to do evil instead because they are in addiction and are self serving. So no your logic does not make sense sir. You can say it all day but you’re nonsensical. Have a blessed day.

[@99range92def]

@@PGP2 source: trust me bro.

[@amitaysussholz6544]

@@PGP2 why is it deception? I asked for a sign, knowing that I am finally open for belief but not sure which one is the truth, and lo and behold I got a clue and I choose to accept it. I could choose to keep doubting. I probably ignored many signs throughout my life, but only with open eyes I can choose to except them.

[@amitaysussholz6544]

@@PGP2 of course you can always claim that no one has free choice that the future has already happened and that it all comes up to quantum fluctuations, but that has absolutely no value in one's life

[@christiangadfly24]

Gary Habermas's minimum facts argument is a large part of why I abandoned atheism and came back to Christianity.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

You read that thick book? How did you afford a 50 dollar book? Did you go on the interwebs and download a pdf?

[@bringemyoungpbuh4123]

@@mugglescakesniffer3943 I listened to his speech on YT.

[@christiangadfly24]

@@mugglescakesniffer3943 Same answer as @bringeyoungpbuh4123. He has a speech on it that I found when I was coming out of atheism. I don't mention it in my video but I have my testimony on my channel.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

@@bringemyoungpbuh4123 Are you curious as to what is in the book? I am but it's so expensive.

[@Weissguys6]

have you heard of those old fashioned things called libraries? Brilliant thing for us broke people. They let you read books for FREE. 😊

[@annagudmundsen4419]

I am a bit of a nerd when it comes to archeological fabric and mending, so I have no doubt that the piece of cloth is a masterpiece in mending, and that the fabric is both a 2000 y old linen from Israel area and mended with european mixed cotton/linen during the middle ages, so both carbon testings are correct. How the image was made is not my area of expertise, but I have no problem it is a from the time of Jesus burial. My ten cents as a seamstress, reenactor and costume creator. Jesus is King of Kings, and I believe in the resurrection with or without the Shroud.

[@byteme9718]

Instead of seamstress use the word gullible.

[@annagudmundsen4419]

@@byteme9718 I will pray that you will learn to know the same Jesus that is my God.

[@byteme9718]

@@annagudmundsen4419 So, you give yourself away. You opinion had nothing to do with your claimed profession and everything to do with the damage done to your mind by indoctrination. There's not s single piece of proof for your claimed Jesus so don't waste your time and keep your childish fantasies to yourself.

[@kimberHD45]

The radio carbon dating done in the seventies was defective. The standard was to be seven samples from seven different areas of the cloth. They took three samples from the same area which turned out to be the same spot where a middle age patch was done after a fire. That’s why the dating was from the Middle Ages. New testing confirms a date approximately 50 A.D.

[@kimberHD45]

@@byteme9718 be quiet

[@achristian11]

I’m 90% confident that it’s genuine and 10% completely sure it is. Praise Jesus Christ ❤

[@Takashi-j5e]

Christ is Risen. Glory to God in the highest.

[@letsomethingshine]

Glory to the lowest and most suffering, far more than any jealous high.

[@byteme9718]

Prove it.

[@thattimguy3342]

You should be focused on resurrecting your soul

[@byteme9718]

@@thattimguy3342 There's not one shred of evidence of a soul. You claim has as much relevance as the inner thoughts of Peter Pan.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying?

[@Scott-W]

“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” (Luke 16:31) We’ve got a photo, yet so many still won’t believe.

[@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN]

Specially the anti Catholics

[@easybandzofficial6456]

You’ve got a photo of a man made dummy\manikin 😂 this is clear blasphemy

[@oxfordeducatedhighschoolhe6989]

True.

[@idiopathictendencies8453]

So I'll make a dubious image and let my children doubt and argue over it. Does that look like Jesus?

[@easybandzofficial6456]

@@Scott-W read John 20:6-7 and then tell me if Jesus was wrapped in a shroud? Lol I’ll wait

[@gabrielventurini8834]

One very important fact about the carbon dating is that, yes 3 labs tested the sample. But all 3 labs tested the same sample and not 3 different pieces of different samples. So it makes it a little bit more unreliable

[@gagalover2k10]

The fact they tested only one area and they chose to test a corner of the cloth; where they should’ve known it was handled there in the medieval period is mind boggling. Definitely not a proud moment, a lot of time and resources wasted and we still have idiots today using the results from it to back up their claims that it is a forgery 🤦‍♂️

[@philiphumphrey1548]

The scientists took the samples they were allowed to take. Any scientist would have taken samples from all parts of the shroud if they had the opportunity. But the authorities weren't prepared to allow that.

[@skilz8098]

It's 100% unreliable. They tested from the edge of the shroud where the shroud was mended many years after Christ from when it had survived an actual fire. Their tests are invalid not because carbon dating doesn't work, not because they didn't do the procedure right. No. Their tests are 100% moot, invalid because they tested the wrong fabric. They never tested the original portions of the fabric. It's not even a little bit more unreliable. It's purely unreliable. It's kind of like having person A write an entire book except for the last chapter or two. They didn't finish their book because they died before they could complete it. Then someone who was close to them or knew them fairly well went and did their best to finish off the book by writing the last couple of chapters trying to mimic what they think the original author might have written. Then several hundred years later people are reading the book, and they end up critiquing or judging the entire book solely on the last two chapters alone which were not written by the original author. That's a poor judgement that has no merit. The same with the carbon dating tests from a piece of fabric that was later added to the original to fix or repair it and or to restore, preserve it. That's like testing Billy Bob for hepatitis and stabbing Jane Ho to draw the blood. Yeah, you tested the wrong damn thing, so your results of the test mean absolutely nothing. Yet at one point there were some who wanted to throw that around as if it was 100% fact to debunk the claims of it being the actual shroud. And once again, those claims from those carbon dating tests have already been resolved. Sure, the fabric they tested might have been from around the 12th - 14th century, but that was the added fabric. Where's their test result from a piece of the fabric that had actual bloodstains on it or from a small portion of where the image of the body was Personally, I do not require any kind of empirical physical evidence or proof. I know with 100% confidence that it is the burial shroud of Christ. I have no actual evidence or proof, I just know. It's not even a matter of belief. I just know, I just know it to be true. When people start to listen to their hearts instead of their noggins, they might be able to better understand and to know the truth. That's what my heart is telling me. This is why I just know it. Yet people are free to believe in what they want.

[@JJRE1976]

​@@philiphumphrey1548They could not allow it, because it is a historical heritage object, due to its age and history and more importantly, the Church must preserve it, it cannot allow it to be damaged, since it could be the most sacred object for the Catholic faithful.

[@andysedlak1534]

​@philiphumphrey1548 You are making assumptions about the research that do not match the known facts. The researchers were allowed to take seven samples from multiple locations, but chose to only take one sample.

[@eltondelcid3672]

It is the shroud, this has been known by tradition for a long time, and each time they do another test it just gets confirmed over and over. Jesus is risen.

[@erri4433]

Indeed he is risen. ☦️

[@2ndPigeon]

That shroud is such a cartoon. I find it so funny that people take is seriously. Also that it's clearly the white washed Jesus.

[@erri4433]

@@2ndPigeonthe shroud is such a cartoon? 😂 youre not a serious person

[@Shinreetlegna]

​@@2ndPigeon That is my concern with the shroud too. It fits the stereotypical image of the eurocentric Jesus. Other things that throw me off as an artist, is that it's too symetrical, some of the anatomy just doesn't look right, like the elongated fingers. Either way, I think objects like this can cause people to obsess over such things, or hang their faith on such evidence. There is plenty of evidence provided by other historians proving the existance of Jesus. It reminds me of Indiana Jones and the last crusaide. There is intrigue, but I don't think it's worth going into religious arguments about it's veracity.

[@2ndPigeon]

@@erri4433 You don't think so?

[@theminutemen1275]

All those labs did RC14 tests on the same strip from 1 corner. Originally the plan was to take seven samples from seven different areas. At the last minute three men went into a room for a couple hours came out and decided they would take one 5 inch by 1 inch sample from one area - on the corner that had been repaired. That's been proven

[@sergeyromanov5560]

And the tests still showed that it's a fake. Move on.

[@nothingnothing7958]

Think about it the Shroud has always been in the possession of the Church and still is today, if that test was faulty why havent they just done another? Because they did and it corroborated the 1988 results but why would they not tell us this? because people buy tickets to see the Shroud of Turin and it's this amazing gotcha artifact to refute skeptics so the church would lose money and their best archeological evidence for Jesus resurrection.

[@skilz8098]

Yup, the carbon dating tests from the 80s is 100% moot and irrelevant. It's not because carbon dating is invalid or inaccurate nor is it because they performed the procedure incorrectly. Nope. Their test results are invalid and moot, because they failed to test the right piece of fabric. They tested the wrong thing! I've known about this since the late 90s early 2000s before they even confirmed that it was the fabric from the mended portion. The shroud was in a fire and those who had it in their possession went and had a seamster or seamstress repair it. I speculate that this was the case before they even came out with any statements on this. I don't need any scientific proof to know that it is the shroud of Christ. I just know it is and there are no doubts about it. It's not a matter of belief, I just know without a doubt, 100% that it is the shroud!

[@Useaname]

Hey sergay, you move on and don't return.

[@nothingnothing7958]

@@skilz8098 if those tests were faulty why has the church not done another carbon test it's in their possession they can easily do it but instead they do a new and experimental test. It makes no sense it sounds like a cover up.

[@Noorutska]

The Shroud of Turin might be the coolest thing ever! The people of faith don't believe because of the Shroud; but the people of science just might step to the area of faith. And that's awesome.

[@johnoshea284]

@@Noorutska maybe it was God's plan to leave a scientific proof for those who can only come to faith through science

[@ra-neter6662]

Orrrrr science has already shown the earth isnt younger than billions of years. And ur shroud doesnt prove god it would potentially prove jesus. Ppl act like the two are the same. Proving the existence of jesus doesnt prove his divinity

[@shathajajo3189]

​@@ra-neter6662 Jesus is God whether you like it or not! Now hop off

[@CapitalChurch1]

​@@ra-neter6662 Science has yet to do anything that disproves intelligent design. Even billions of years fits within the realm of intelligent design. What doesn't fit within the realm of science is something from nothing. You yourself believe this since you believe the universe came into being implying it had a state of not being. This is after all the scientific consensus. Science can only get us so far, at some point you have to use philosophy to start understanding the worlds deeper components. Once you recognize that you yourself are already using a philosophy to justify your beliefs, perhaps you will understand where all these stupid Christians are coming from.

[@KelzBernard]

@@ra-neter6662 🥱

[@danielvecchio9942]

The coins, flowers, and the pollen are very compelling points of data to me.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying?

[@easybandzofficial6456]

The book that tells us all about Jesus debunks this shroud as a lie/fake.. do you believe the bible/Simon Peter a witness to it all, or do you believe a European man from the 1300s? 😂

[@plzifan3773]

do you think a burial wrapping is only one layer?

[@sdultra]

@easybandzofficial6456 Then you "MUST" believe John 6 52-56. Where do you see yourself in John 6? Are you among the 12 that stayed with Jesus or among the thousands that grumbled, made excuses, and walked away upon hearing these words of Jesus? Even when Jesus doubled down, watched thousands of followers walk away, and He refused to take take it back. "Amen Amen" I say to you... Do you really believe the Bible?

[@Christusvinci]

​@@easybandzofficial6456dude you are not even a Christian, why you care is what I deem hilarious 😂😂😂

[@BelOrthDude]

I believe is as real as it can get, Jesus is risen!

[@talithacumi8034]

I am in the still-don't-know category. It's interesting and getting to see the face of Jesus is pretty cool if the Shroud of Turin is the image of Christ.

[@James-ll3jb]

I was, since about 1980. The new dating tests sold me.

[@daMillenialTrucker]

​@@James-ll3jbI recently came to Christ August 24th, 2024. I didn't think this was all real. I didn't really understand who and what God is until I started watching cosmology which is the study of the universe and it's size beyond human comprehension and the things in it as well, like neutron stars or magnetars and quasars and blazars. So through a year of studying cosmology I finally knew what and and Who God is. 2 months in I immediately dropped out of the hookup culture (I'm a millennial) and about 2 weeks prior I asked God if it was Jesus, is that Who I should be following and after asking several times during those two weeks a brand new study came out of the Shroud of Turin and I studied that and came conclusion that yes, Jesus is the way and I fully submitted my being unto Jesus and I will pick up my cross and die daily to my flesh until the day I die. I finally know where I belong and Jesus is the Truth.

[@MynameisJs]

@@daMillenialTrucker wow, this is real. God bless you brother in Christ.

[@James-ll3jb]

@@daMillenialTrucker Congratulations!!!

[@QueenQaffir]

I know the Bible tells us that Jesus looked like a commoner, but I have a hard time believing the King of Kings is not somehow the most beautiful Man in the world. The shroud man is unattractive. I’m mean I know.

[@LennartBeumer]

always fun when you are looking for historical facts on jesus and then you find a video only 1 hour old,thank you and thank god for his provision

[@letsomethingshine]

Historical fact: Catholics that found it in 1300s found the artist and got him to confess that it was a shroud on a painting that was baked and verticals standing stains added.

[@letsomethingshine]

Why would they cover a standin body?

[@Poggers7718]

@@letsomethingshineno source for that + scientific analysis found no paint or organic material to make the image itself. The evidence points to your conclusion being false please remove yourself from this conversation to avoid further embarrassment

[@TheRealMightyHokie]

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes I used to have serious doubts. Now I feel pretty confident that it is the burial cloth of Jesus and his resurrection.

[@horridhenry9920]

Sherlock Holmes’s is a fictional character.

[@michaelnoble2432]

I highly recommend you completely decouple your faith in Jesus' resurrection (which I also share) and the Shroud. Otherwise, if the latter is disproven then your faith is on shaky ground. To me, it's clear the Shroud is fake as it doesn't match the description in John 20 of STRIPS (plural) of linen (not a giant cloth) and a SEPARATE cloth for Jesus' head.

[@josephking5411]

Exactly. You saved me the trouble of commenting.

[@horridhenry9920]

@@michaelnoble2432 it’s interesting that so many of the Shroudies miss this obvious point, that the Shroud is not a single cloth.

[@charlesmiller6281]

@@michaelnoble2432 So what you're saying, they faked the fabric by finding some that would be carbon dated to the time of the resurrection, they faked the image using an x-ray laser burst the technology for which which wouldn't exist for 2000 years, put pollen on it from flowers blooming at the precise time of year the crucifixion took place, stored and restored and worshipped it as a sacred relic, all the while forgetting it's supposed to be a bunch of strips not one sheet? That's your theory? Seriously???!

[@LetteringTheLord]

I’m a digital image expert 20+ yrs. There are some special features to the shroud that are simply unexplainable using today’s technology. It’s real 100%

[@holandreas]

Like what?

[@LetteringTheLord]

@@holandreas the image was caused by a burst of electromagnetic radiation otherwise known as a stroboscopic photography. This is caused by subtle movements while an image is being taken. The photograph also has a high resolution photonegative relief map. This relief map can be used to create 3-D rendered image in 3-D programs that will create an indefinite scaling image without distortion. This is impossible with any relief map in today’s known digital technology. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. But those two things, based on my knowledge, these would be impossible to create as we can’t replicate this technology in today’s world.

[@holandreas]

@@LetteringTheLord That's cool! Feel free to elaborate further! I am a Physicist and I have worked with the technique used in the latest study (that being WAXS). Reading the publication it was more convincing than I expected.

[@2ndPigeon]

@@LetteringTheLord Then why does it look like a cartoon version of the white washed Jesus?

[@christopherh70]

I am a physician and I strongly believe that this really IS the linen garment of Jesus Christ and that the image was produced by the resurrection

[@ianmartinesq]

I’m an attorney and also strongly believe the Shroud of Turin is authentic. I’m curious, what aspects of the Shroud do you find most convincing?

[@thattimguy3342]

You’re way outside your expertise

[@christopherh70]

@ianmartinesq it's kind of a preponderance of evidence thing. It's the same way I look at any diagnosis that I make. Sometimes things arent fully clean when all tests come back so you have to go where the whole of the evidence leads, whuch is what i am doing with this

[@christopherh70]

@@thattimguy3342 I'm just saying what I think

[@lxportugal9343]

I'm a lumber jack and I'm incline to believe it's true

[@christiangadfly24]

I love how Wood will do something like use a Superman figure to represent Christ and just not even acknowledge it. This kind of stuff makes me laugh so hard 🤣

[@apologeticsroadshow]

Right before I recorded, I told my wife to grab me one of my kid's action figures for the illustration. She came back with Superman and Iron Man. I had to go with Superman!

[@thadofalltrades]

DC Jesus

[@Warriorking.1963]

LOL... yeah, I noticed that too!

[@DakotaDoc]

Well of course, Jesus was the most super of man.

[@thecriticalnous]

😂 yessss! Love David Wood

[@BWBParmwrestling]

Love Gary's lectures on the Shroud! Just one of those things where the closer you look the more convincing it looks

[@irishtickles]

Your confidence is maybe 30%? That is quite funny. As a physician I can say the forensics on the shroud give me a 98% confidence in its authenticity. And believing in Jesus might actually give a person new eyes - seeing the Shroud as a gift from the Father.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Maybe just stick to your profession coz you’re in 90% support of something the bible debunks 😂

[@Of_the_Sea_333]

Hello ​@@easybandzofficial6456, please explain how does John 20:6-7 debunk the shroud of Turin?

[@SkydivingTunnelGod]

@@Of_the_Sea_333 He can't, along with all the other illiterate sheep in this comment section parroting the same cherry picked verse. Its extremely rare artifacts are kept together and even with a head covering the x-rays will go through the fabric onto the main body cloth.

[@deaddycruel]

How dumb can be physician if you can't even check how projection of face can really look if the flat piece of garment will be wrapped over head?

[@7stringst3r]

@@deaddycruelit would seem you didn’t understand all of the presented information and the physician did

[@lc4n333]

"It's forgery!" Okay, if it's forgery explain how medieval people made it. Time travel? Alien tech?

[@Psa22-6]

Clearly, didnt you know that medieval people had time traveling capabilities? 😂

[@o00nemesis00o]

@@Psa22-6 No, a time traveller went to the medieval period and said, "here, catch!"

[@HunterJack-x4y]

The New Testament says that Jesus was covered in linen wrappings, not a single shroud. John 20:4-7 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. 5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. Christians trying to prove that the shroud of Turin is authentic are essentially going against the Bible without realizing, and that's most likely because those Christians haven't even read tbe Bible.

[@Mariaf12]

It's real...there's so much evidence for it..

[@Nate-vu8pe]

It's a linen shroud cloth brother relax it's all aligned we still believe in christ just amazed how he left us the receipt of the purchase man

[@KG-jx8zt]

When Jesus said Tetellesti (Paid in Full) He left us a "receipt," proof that He paid for our Salvation. ✝️

[@michaelnoble2432]

And if it was proven to be a fake would you abandon your faith? I urge you to NOT tie your faith to what is likely a forged relic.

[@msgjr]

@@michaelnoble2432It’s estimated by some that it took 34 trillion watts of energy to create a flash of light for mere nanoseconds to make this image. It can’t be replicated by today’s technology. We’re probably safe.

[@michaelnoble2432]

@@msgjr ah, that's just silly. If it was some kind of photographic effect why would you think it needed to happen that quickly?

[@claujff7092]

​​@@michaelnoble2432 you may think it's silly, but is what the scientists that study the shroud estimate, it would take that amount of energy and for such a short time otherwise the fabric would be burnt

[@michaelnoble2432]

@claujff7092 considering they apparently don't know what gives the image its color, that seems a stretch.

[@billcynic1815]

If anyone hasn't watched it, I highly recommend Metatron's video about the Shroud of Turin. He gives a fantastic and unbiased in-depth analysis on the shroud, without coming to a conclusion either way. Regarding the carbon-dating, the "debunking" is not debunking of the carbon dating itself, but the methodology. Basically, the shroud had some damage over the years, and in the Middle Ages they carefully repaired some of the damage. When carbon dating, you have to destroy what you are dating, so the researchers were careful to take minimal amounts to minimize the damage. Most obvious place is the edge, where the repairs were. Basically, in trying to minimize damage to the shroud in their research, they inadvertently dated the repaired areas, not the original areas. So the dating is most likely accurate regarding those specific areas, but not for the Shroud as a whole.

[@tobertcordless2491]

I watched Metatrons video a while back, and yeah I fully agree. I have come to the same conclusion that researchers accidentally dated the wrong piece(s), even though it was accurate, it wasn't the whole shroud

[@LuciferAlmighty]

There's no evidence to support they used a newer part. Metatron is a hack.

[@tobertcordless2491]

@@LuciferAlmighty Very helpful and inspiring comment 👏 The theory is that the repaired pieces from a medieval fire were the ones tested, which would coincide with the 1260-1300 dates. It's really not that much of a stretch

[@LuciferAlmighty]

@@tobertcordless2491 it's a far stretch. It's been demonstrated to be a fraud and easily recreated.

[@JohnathanSimmons-jw3mr]

@@LuciferAlmightythis so wildly inaccurate. Do a little more research than just spouting clear biased misinformation. It has not been replicated not even close 😂 but then again I don’t expect anything less than someone with the name Lucifer Almighty 😆

[@steelfalconx2000]

As an Eastern Orthodox, our understanding is that the shroud was under Orthodox control until the sack of Constantinople during the fourth crusade in 1204 I believe. The crusaders went on to try to reclaim Jerusalem and brought the shroud back to Western Europe around 1250 or so, when a bunch of repairs were done to it by some Catholic nuns. This is why it shows up in the records around that time and why the carbon dating goes back to that era. I'm not sure if it's real or not, and it doesn't matter to me either way. But it's a cool story that makes perfect sense to me.

[@Roqu3Quinc0t]

Yes, catholics saved the only photo of Christ from being destroyed or taken by the followers of muhammad.

[@tomasrocha6139]

In 1389, the image was denounced as a fraud by Bishop Pierre D'Arcis in a letter to the Avignon Antipope Clement VII, mentioning that the image had previously been denounced by his predecessor Henri de Poitiers, who had been concerned that no such image was mentioned in scripture. Bishop D'Arcis continued, "Eventually, after diligent inquiry and examination, he discovered how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, to wit, that it was a work of human skill and not miraculously wrought or bestowed."

[@dancorlateanu2214]

Pretty sure that during the ransacking they didn't gave a protocol for sample conservation in light of future C14 tests.

[@teresabastone7599]

100% authentic! 🙏🏼 God is Great! ❤

[@ant7699]

There's so much evidence pointing to it being real imo.

[@deaddycruel]

10000000% fake

[@Rekora_Wulf]

My wife as a child had a dream. She said that she saw a giant floor that looked like glass and crystal surrounded by colors that shimmer and change. She saw her grandmother walking around with a man who walked with her. There were many angel like beings that surrounded her grandmother. Her grandmother just said go home. She constantly said she didn't want to but ultimately she listened. Then I just casually said hey there is an ai generated image of what the man in this shroud would have looked like. I show her and then she just went silent and started crying. She said I saw that very man there. I saw him walking around.. she also didn't know that the sea of glass was an actual thing in the Bible. I don't know what to say right now... I feel like I got blasted by a lightning bolt..

[@benliftin4awhile]

Probably get her medically checked out. She may have been close to death.

[@Rekora_Wulf]

@benliftin4awhile Clarify what you mean by that, please.

[@benliftin4awhile]

@@Rekora_Wulf seems like she had an NDE. Usually requires one is near death. I’ve heard many stories of some having stopped breathing in their sleep and these things happen. Just make sure she’s healthy. Might be a warning, or it may just be a dream that Christ decided to show her. But better safe than sorry. Maybe that’s why He showed her.

[@Rekora_Wulf]

@benliftin4awhile ooooooh. I probably should have stated that it was right after her grandmother passed away. I said in the beginning that she had the dream when she was a child. Sorry for my confusing comment. My mind was all over the place because that conversation that i had happened minutes before.

[@benliftin4awhile]

@@Rekora_Wulf ok gotchya, that’s much less concerning hahaha, god bless!

[@mbgrafix]

*The word **_"PHOTOGRAPH”_** is derived from two Greek words:* *Photo:* This comes from the Greek word “φῶς” (phos), which means “light.” *Graph:* This comes from the Greek word “γραφή” (graphê), which means “drawing” or “writing.” So, when combined, “photograph” literally means *_"drawing with light"._* This makes sense because photography involves capturing images by _recording light._

[@Lisa-ServantOfChrist]

Jesus brought me out of Hinduism. One of my grandmother was also a Hindu and someone put a curse on her which made her legs rot. She cried out to her idols but they couldn’t heal her. She went to witch doctors but they couldn’t heal her. She tried many medicines and home remedies to try to cure the rot but nothing helped. It was until one of her nephews who is a Christian took her to his church and they laid hands on her and pray for her that’s when Jesus healed her and she saw the miracle and gave her life to Christ! She’s still alive and well today, age 83 and healthy. My mom’s mother had 3 dreams of Jesus throughout her life and finally decided to give her life to Christ but she was still living in the old life and died last year. Many more of my relatives were Hindus and when they got sick they called on the name of Jesus for healing and He answered them and they gave their lives to Christ. Now I’m waiting for God to change my parents and bring them to Him. They are Hindus too. Thank you for reading this. May Jesus bless you and keep you until His return.

[@Mmmmm173]

Thank you for your testimony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father!!!!!!!! Love from uk ❤️

[@Papa_Tea]

From what I understand they took a single sample from a patch on the shroud and cut it into 3. That is why the dates match and could by why it aligns with the historical accounts. Who knows, I see Gods work everywhere I look, that’s proof enough for me.

[@LairdDavidson]

I'm a 50/50 believer. I never had any confidence in holy relics and figure that most are scams. When I hear about bleeding statues and images of Christ appearing on inanimate objects I roll my eyes. However of all the holy relics this one does stand out as being pretty convincing. Personally I don't need any of these objects to bolster my faith.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

​@@easybandzofficial6456and how does the debunk it?

[@easybandzofficial6456]

@@ChristopherWaddelow proves Jesus head, face we’re wrapped by a face cloth not a full body length shroud..

[@ilj3168]

@@easybandzofficial6456 He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7 AS WELL AS the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, SEPARATE from the linen.

[@ffs6158]

It's good to be skeptical, there's a lot of scammers and the Orthodox Church says to not pay attention to dreams and even demons can perform miracles, so don't be fooled by such things.

[@jtoons99]

One of the briefest yet most compelling cases for the shroud's authenticity. Thank you, David and Gary!

[@silverprotect79]

David is a machine, did this intro then went straight into streaming! Lets be real, does Mo mo have the shroud of the 1.8 rod of allah? Jokes aside, this is incredible this video. No dawah guy would ever put even an ounce of effort into their ministry. David opened his heart to jesus and jesus is using him as a tool to dismantle lies and seek truth and call those who have strayed back to the path. God bless you and your family. Thank you.

[@SabeerAbdulla]

The only thing you got right was that wood is a tool 😂😂😂😂

[@silverprotect79]

@@SabeerAbdulla mo mo pp was 1.8 inches so that he didn't cause harm to aisha. Your prophet had a micro pp

[@silverprotect79]

@@SabeerAbdulla mo mo had a 1. 8 rod for little a2isha. Inshallah praise be to mo mo

[@danielmoore9950]

​@@SabeerAbdullaDavid exposing mohammed's tiny peen has you riled up.

[@shannonharrison7711]

​@SabeerAbdulla Yet you are a believer in that piece of crap called the Quran! and a follower of a pedophile false prophet with a micro penis. Seems to me you are the tool and a very ignorant one at that.🤣😂😂😂

[@JALEMYmeservey]

I have a far greater reason to believe in the resurrection of Jesus than the shroud of Turin. The scriptures. They are a far more trustworthy testament than the shroud ever will be.

[@jonjwyte2102]

I don't lick this story. We are blessed because we have never seen Jesus but still believe in Him.

[@deaconcarr]

I believe it is real. At this point, believing it's fake goes against Occam's razor.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s? Aukums razor (the most obvious conclusion is that it’s a fake/forgery! Lol..) it being the miraculous image of Jesus is NOT the most obvious thing it actually requires belief in several miracles to make sense.. 😂 including the miracle that the bible lied

[@CoffeeCrazy]

@@easybandzofficial6456True!! His body was prepared for burial. That means he was washed, rubbed with oil and spices. Highly doubt his followers would keep a crown of thorn on his head. Also would a religious Jew wear long hair? Even so, there is a reason why his image was never made public after his ascension . I believe we are to follow the scriptures to know how Jesus is to be identified when he comes. He said the same way I’m leaving is the same way I’m coming back. Also, in my opinion , I think that we are to identify with Jesus characteristics (image) versus the physical representation. I dont believe God would place that stumbling block in our way, just like he hide Moses body.

[@Ninjajitsu562]

Wetard strip is the bit they carried him off cross with and tied shroud to body they tied shroud together with@@easybandzofficial6456

[@koderamerikaner5147]

​@@PGP21. Saying "humans" unironically to address people is such a weird thing to do. It's borderline pseudointellectual. 2. Nominalism is a horrible philosophy anyways.

[@KingdomInterest]

@@easybandzofficial6456No it doesn’t. Stop spreading this nonsense.

[@joshuapeacock6507]

I think it needs to be asked, if the shroud is really Jesus' will that be proof for people to come to Jesus? I don't think it will be for 'skeptics'. A wicked generation asks for miracles and then ignores them as evidence for what they wanted to see.

[@david9243]

This debacle is Matthew 16:4 more or less: ”An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah." So he left them and departed.” The sign of Jonah IS the Lords crucifiction, burial and resurrection. The same objections will be risen even after this but its also why i think the shroud is authentic. Its a very Jesus-like thing to remember us with.

[@kaneinkansas]

It is evidence of sufferance by the man in the shroud. If it is what it suggest, it is no more than that. The suffering Christ went thru was extreme. It makes sense that he'd want to leave behind some evidence of that. But it is in the nature of existence that we have uncertainty and the shroud does not eliminate uncertainty - because uncertainty gives us our free will. I imagine that if God were to really show himself to you, then one's self, one's ego, might disappear (in the context of our creation). So Jesus was going to have to go through some very heavy lifting (i.e. sufferance, i.e. his passion) and he wanted to leave behind definite evidence of that, without eliminating uncertainty to allow us our free will.

[@Moshugaani]

A real skeptic might be persuaded that something inexplicable and supernatural happened with the shroud, and it might open them to consider that the Biblical narrative might contain truth, but they could still remain skeptical of the Bible. Normal people who are rather apathetic towards religion might become more open towards Christianity thanks to the shroud. An ideologically antireligious skeptic would always prefer a natural explanation and they would rather dismiss all supernatural explanations and remain agnostic about the origins of the shroud.

[@joshuapeacock6507]

@@Moshugaani I think the same when answering my own question. Proofs like the shroud confirm the biases of some believers and are interesting facts for others. For the skeptical unbeliever I hope the shroud works to inspire them to look deeper into the things of the Bible, of Jesus, of the resurrection. I often run into the fervent anti-religion crowd; they don't want to believe anything, just mock the believer.

[@Thisismetman]

The 1988 sample was taken from a patch. That is why it read 1280-1350 range. They used the wrong part of the Shroud.

[@Psa22-6]

Yeah fr, like what did they expect the went from 7 samples to 3 to 1 and never tried again, so pathetic for scientific testing

[@skycat777u.k5]

Imo on purpose 😠🤷

[@LuciferAlmighty]

There's no supporting evidence for that.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying?

[@tomasrocha6139]

In 1389, the image was denounced as a fraud by Bishop Pierre D'Arcis in a letter to the Avignon Antipope Clement VII, mentioning that the image had previously been denounced by his predecessor Henri de Poitiers, who had been concerned that no such image was mentioned in scripture. Bishop D'Arcis continued, "Eventually, after diligent inquiry and examination, he discovered how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, to wit, that it was a work of human skill and not miraculously wrought or bestowed."

[@robertjanssens4381]

Nobody is obliged to believe in the shroud of Torino ! "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" said Jesus to us ! amen !

[@IainGreensmith-yk6nn]

Amen to that! Most of the evidence for the shroud is positive. Jesus appeared to me a few years ago, and he looks like the image on the shroud.

[@robertjanssens4381]

@@IainGreensmith-yk6nn amen ! God bless you !

[@benmlee]

Whether is real or not, I still remember seeing the shroud on cover of a book for the first time in 4th grade. I remember the room, the table, the pile of other books. I was not a Christian then and rebellious. I knew it was Jesus. I was sure it is real. I had no idea who Jesus was or his significance, but sensed his godliness was otherworldly, and way beyond other Biblical characters. It shook me to the core. I still remember that shock.

[@fbastmar]

19:58 radio carbon dating is pretty reliable but the study that did it is not. By now it's pretty clear that the whole thing was intentionally poorly done. The initial desing of the study was that they would get 7 samples from 7 different parts of the cloth; instead, they took 3 from the same corner of the cloth that seems to be reconstructed, and on top of that they waited years to release the full data of the study

[@Scalper10001]

The fact that it can’t be duplicated with modern technology has me lean towards the shroud being real.

[@brightbite]

David AND Dr. Habermas??? Christmas came early!! 😃

[@Farmword]

I have an emotional reaction to the cloth. The image, based on all of the things that I have learned about it, seems to be the actual image of Jesus; and that is wonderful in a way that I can feel.

[@TheTriggeredChristian]

I am so glad you are covering the Shroud. I first came across it from watching Giulio Fanti, how the image was created in a similar way to a photo copier. Good stuff from Barrie Shwortz and the STURP team. 👍

[@JonK...]

Whether the Shroud of Turin is authentic or not is irrelevant for my assurance is in Jesus not the Shroud.

[@kevinhutchins4222]

No one has asked for your assurance to be shifted from Jesus to the shroud.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

The shroud is fake and is blasphemy! The bible warns us against creating an image

[@wm1958]

​@@easybandzofficial6456who created the image?

[@easybandzofficial6456]

@@wm1958 a simple forger! 😂 a scientist replicated the very simple process.. you simply get a board with a face carved on it then put dye on the face, lay the shroud on the board then bake the shroud. After that, wash the shroud which removes the dye and leaves behind the scorched image on the shroud.. 😂 🤡 it’s so easy.. and also just look at the top of the front and back of the head.. you’d have to be flat as a coin/ironing board (2d) to make such an imprint.. there’s no top of the head (skullcap) 😂. It’s simply the same old whitewashing of history going on.. we’ve seen this in Egyptology and other african archeology

[@easybandzofficial6456]

@@wm1958 not sure why my answer to u was deleted

[@elainejones5473]

What do you think about the French Weave argument? That is, the guys who collected the sample for the carbon dating cut off a small piece of cloth from near the edge. However, over the centuries, the cloth had suffered some damage. In the Middle Ages, there was a somewhat painstaking process of weaving new threads into holes and tears, so carefully and precisely that you'd never notice that it was not part of the original cloth. This method was called the French Weave. So one possibility is that the sample cut from the edge for the carbon dating was, indeed, from the Middle Ages, but the rest was from the time of Christ. Your guest mentions that one of the carbon dating guys later debunked the carbon dating of the shroud; I'd love to hear more about what his debunking evidence was.

[@James-ll3jb]

Newer elements of cotton were found interwoven into the linen

[@kingsleynwofe1244]

It's a fact not an argument. It's been looked at under the microscope. Cotton and linen look different under a microscope

[@kaptaink1959]

@@kingsleynwofe1244 but you can see the difference in the photograph of the sample. clearly 2 different threads. they even match up at a 90 angle.

[@LuciferAlmighty]

It's just reaching, there's nothing to refute the 1300's dating.

[@sdultra]

@@LuciferAlmighty I would expect nothing less from the "father of lies" than a statement like "there's nothing to refute the 1300's dating. Nice try...

[@lheggestad]

God has a sense of humor. What's funny about the shroud is that it taunts man's incredulity, in that it cannot be explained. And God is a teacher. Like a good teacher he doesn't give us the answer. He just shows us the clues.

[@denisbuwembo7695]

Am a catholic and my parish priest told us about this. This is a miracle from the lord.

[@deaddycruel]

no this is fake from cultists to force fools to give them money for nothing

[@gregrice1354]

Yes. I believe he is in that business, with His Father too. I think they are doing very nice work!

[@tomasrocha6139]

In 1389, the image was denounced as a fraud by Bishop Pierre D'Arcis in a letter to the Avignon Antipope Clement VII, mentioning that the image had previously been denounced by his predecessor Henri de Poitiers, who had been concerned that no such image was mentioned in scripture. Bishop D'Arcis continued, "Eventually, after diligent inquiry and examination, he discovered how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, to wit, that it was a work of human skill and not miraculously wrought or bestowed."

[@solascriptura1536]

Where God is concerned, things happen by design, not by chance.

[@solascriptura1536]

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4 Kinda explains the light from within... And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5 The cave was dark, making the conditions perfect for a "dark room".

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@solascriptura1536]

@@easybandzofficial6456 Are you sure you read it? Read it again and then post it here...let's see what it says

[@Christusvinci]

​@@easybandzofficial6456dude you are not even Christian but you are so bordered that you on every comment here.

[@ztrussell]

I finally understood the “3D image” aspect from how Dr. Habermas explained it. That plus the finger bones and teeth seals the deal for me. I’m a Shroud believer.

[@wipo3654]

According to the GOSPELS' CONTEXT the Shroud of Turin cannot be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus Christ! This can be checked quite simply by trying to answer the following questions on the basis of the Bible: (1) What is the correct bible translation of the Greek word “sindón” - “a linen Shroud” or “linen cloth”? There is no indefinite article "a" in the original Greek texts of Matthew 27:59, Mark 15:46 and Luke 23:53. Apart from this and considering the context, a correct unbiased translation/interpretation of SINDON must be "linen cloth" because Joseph of Arimathea must have bought ALL the needed burial linen material: bandages/strips (OTHONION) and the head cloth (SOUDARION). And John didn't mention SINDON in his gospel because he also didn't mention the all-inclusive purchase of Joseph of Arimathea. John focused more on the burial and resurrection details. (2) What happened to the “burial spices” - a 32 kg sticky mixture of myrrh and aloes? John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. Nicodemus was a leading Rabbi who knew what was needed, how much and that there was enough time to do the burial spicing. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. Enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap/bind the body in linen bandages/strips WITH the spices between the bandages/strips, according to the burial custom of Jews at that time and to transport Jesus to the nearby rock-tomb. (3) What the women intended to do after Sabbath - “anointing” or “burial spicing”? As shown above, the burial spicing was completely done by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus. This was observed by the women. After Sabbath they intended to ANOINT Jesus' head as an act of honour, removing and readding the head cloth (SOUDARION). (4) Why to use an extra head cloth „soudarion“ when wrapping a body in something like the Shroud? The head cloth (SOUDARION) fully covered the head and the rest of the body was wrapped/bound in linen bandages/strips (OTHONION]) with the spices between. The head cloth was part of the burial custom of Jews at that time, as we can see in John 11 (resurrection of Lazarus). (5) What convinced the people in the 1st century that Jesus rose the third day? So, there is NO EVIDENCE for something like the Shroud in the gospels. It clearly contradicts the context and it didn‘t play any role from the beginning of the real church of Christ. No Shroud was and is needed to believe in the resurrection and overall in Jesus Christ: Joseph of Arimathea bought all the needed linen cloth (SINDON). That means bandages/strips (OTHONION) and the head cloth (SOUDARION). Nicodemus organised about 32 kg spices. That means a sticky mixture of myrrh and aloes. Jesus was taken from the cross and maybe he was also washed. Then the body - except the head - was wrapped/bound in situ with (META) the spices between the bandages/strips (OTHONION), according to the burial custom of (rich) Jews at that time. The head was covered with the head cloth (SOUDARION). Even then Jesus was carried to the nearby rock-tomb and was laid in there. The rock-tomb was closed with a stone and sealed. This was observed by the women from a certain distance. After Sabbath the women intended to anoint Jesus head removing and readding the head cloth (SOUDARION) but ... 1 Corinthians 15 1Now, brothers [siblings], I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth. All you have to know about Jesus Christ and for faith is in the Scripture. Read and trust the Bible! 2 Timothy 3 16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man [woman] of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. More details in a presentation video on my channel. Click icon W to the left-top of this comment. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. Be blessed - SHALOM!

[@historian9484]

I am a scientist and I can say with confidence based on the data so far that it is the burial cloth of Jesus

[@lloydbeattie9370]

😂

[@andrewmorris-costigliola2804]

As a Dr. of Physics and a previous lecturer on Nuclear Physics. I can state that the 1988 C-14 dating was flawed due to the two fires that the Holy Shroud was involved in. Remember, the Holy Shroud is an artefact, not a biological body which breathes. I have seen many counter arguments to the Holy Shroud, each almost as fantastic as the next. When you consider the facts that the Holy Shroud cannot be replicated with today's technology, the pollen grains removed from the cloth which are from Israel only around 33AD, the corresponding injuries, the detail of the pre-torture injuries in the image and the latest findings on the blood samples detailing radiation and crucifixion-associated injury markers, I have no doubt that the Holy Shroud is authentic and the Resurrection image of Christ Alimghty.

[@Vreiss86]

Man I have a scientific degree and I always had the same problem with the carbon radiation, it's reliable and it says what it says so the shroud looks like a forgery despite the other evidence that seems to say the opposite. Yet nowadays that carbon radiation test is completely disproven not because it's wrong in itself but because they didn't analyze an actual sample of the shroud which is made of linen but a sample of cotton from a medieval repair of the shroud. The sample was cotton while the shroud is linen, there's no more space for the carbon radiation evidence, it's completely disproven

[@el_killorcure]

The Sudarium of Oviedo has a definitive history starting at around the 6th century, yet the carbon rating on it got the date wrong by at least 300 years forward.

[@charlesmiller6281]

Yes the only conclusion is the carbon dating in both cases is accurate, but the first one dated the repair not the original shroud. If only they had dated the actual shroud the first time we'd be looking at two mutually confirming pieces of evidence. Logically, this being what happened we should discard the medieval era dating. But people being people prefer to cling to feelings not follow logic.

[@thattimguy3342]

I’m something of a scientist myself

[@el_killorcure]

@@thattimguy3342 OK Norman...

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying?

[@MightyFerg1]

My issues with the Shroud are that A) John and Luke both mention the "strips" that Jesus was buried in - there is no hint that he was wrapped in one complete sheet; and B) John mentions specifically that Jesus's head was wrapped in a separate cloth (which John observed resting to one side of where the body had been), which again seems to imply that the shroud does not match what we know of Jesus's burial from scripture.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

The facecloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. After he was brought into the tomb it was removed and set aside. Since it contained the blood of Jesus by Jewish law it had to be buried with the body. But he was not put back on him. The strips were used to hold the body in place during rigor and to secure the Shroud to his body.

[@MightyFerg1]

@@beverlyhurd8556 That's guesswork. The Gospels don't contain any such detail.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@MightyFerg1 Not everything in the world is written in the Gospels you know. But we do know how the typical Jewish burial was done in ancient times.

[@brudit]

Yes and John even says that if everything would be written there, all the books of the world would not be enough 😃 There is an interesting video of the shroud in spacereinstitute channel from 4 years ago that shows how the other linen stripe that holds (Jesus's?) body together inside this bigger piece and even can bee seen in the picture and has been later stiched to the side of the bigger piece.

[@papajohn4001]

Before latching hard onto the Carbon 14 argument, David remember the term "GIGO" Garbage In=Garbage Out. The sample analyzed was not a pieece of the original. It was actually a piece of cotton cloth used to repair the boarder damaged over time by handeling.

[@michaelnoble2432]

That's the popular theory, but since the RCC won't allow further examination of the Shroud it's pure speculation. And NO ONE says it was cotton (the whole cloth is LINEN).

[@LukeClemens]

@@michaelnoble2432 what is the RCC?

[@michaelnoble2432]

@@LukeClemens Roman Catholic Church.

[@margomargo3178]

Regardless if the shroud is authentic or not, the Gosples will always be the number one proof of Jesus' Resurrection🙏

[@CPATuttle]

To you. But not for others. Such as current Athiests

[@Adam-gl1qv]

The gospels are not evidence of anything, they are a book of claims

[@nathanbanks2354]

Habermas focuses on 1 Cor 15 instead because it was written earlier by Paul, someone who didn't believe initially and who talked to Peter, James, & John (Gal 1 & 2). Almost all NT scholars say Paul actually was the author, whereas they are less sure about the timing & authorship of the gospels.

[@thattimguy3342]

Delete that.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@LoveJoyPeace378]

THE SHROUD IS AUTHENTIC! HALLELUJAH!! JESUS ROSE, SPOKE TO MARY, THE DISCIPLES ON THE WAY TO EMMAUS, PETER, AND SO ON AND ON!!! HE'S ALIVE TODAY!!!!

[@matthewrawlings1284]

I lean to it being real. If it's real, it accounts for multiple variables... Something that fits the description of the shroud is mentioned being related to the Knights Templar in; if memory serves; the 12 century. Also their is early art of Jesus; if I recall correctly it was in the mid-late 1st millennium and early 2nd millennium; looks like it was made based on the shroud. Then there's the data on/of the shroud that; at least imo; is best explained by the shroud being real.

[@Lord9Genesis]

Early paintings of Jesus showed him clean shaven. When the shroud was made public again a few centuries after Christ, those images changed to bearded.

[@halnovemila9698]

Dear Dr. David, with love, I strongly suggest you and everyone interested in this matter to watch the presentation posted on KZbin by Dr. William Guy. Even if the shroud itself can't prove the resurrection, it DEFINITELY proves that a radiation energy of enormous power is what generated the linen superficial aging coloration due to accelerated oxidation. Btw, the blood stains have protected the linens from the oxidation proving that the blood was on the cloth BEFORE the image was generated. There's even the stain of blood and water (not visible at naked eyes but visible with special lighting and photography) from the side of the body where the gospels accounts reports Jesus was hit by the spear of the roman soldier. Quick note, carbon dating is as reliable as the sample used for the dating... wrong, corrupted, samples... wrong dating... as simple as that.

[@dinabernadetteyoung]

💯 % real but also it really doesn’t matter what anyone thinks. HE IS THE RISEN KING!Amen!!!

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@Christusvinci]

​@@easybandzofficial6456dude you are not even Christian but you are so bordered that you on every comment here.

[@chankang3733]

Pollen from the Levant region. Soil exclusive to the real Calgary Road, not the one for tourists, is found on the nose, knees and feet. The amount of fresh flowers is extraordinary and He was adorned with traditional Jewish gear. Even had a girdle with a pattern that goes back to Abraham times. That is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Right shoulder has wounds to the bone. The thorn on the forehead went deep enough to enter the skull. Every time I see His Suffering I weep. Can't help it. It's a natural reaction for me.

[@memellie]

I find the discussions of the Turin interesting. I would say my belief shifts between 30-75% depending on the points discussed as well as the day and time. Due to the human propensity to worship idols instead of God, it’s probably best that it’s never proven 100%. I prefer to keep my focus on my faith and not focus on rabbit trails.

[@benedictjajo]

If they worship the shroud because it's 100% proven, they never had faith in the first place. 😂

[@bikesrcool_1958]

Why would we worship the relic that’s idolatry 🥺

[@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN]

very simple YOU CANNOT FAKE WHAT YOU CANNOT MAKE

[@davidhudson4230]

Really good point!

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@s.mathew3375]

*Most studied relic on planet earth. Simply refused by skeptics. All researchers says it is not a forgery. Not a single person authentically refuted its authenticity.i have been studying this subject since 2010.o strongly believe this is the burial cloth of my saviour. Love from Kerala/India*

[@LuciferAlmighty]

Far from most studied

[@michaelnoble2432]

Considering that the RCC refuses any further research on the Shroud, that certainly is not the case.

[@Thetruepredictor]

Planet???

[@apubakeralpuffdaddy392]

@@LuciferAlmighty Most studied Relic. Didn't they teach you reading comprehension in your Satan school?

[@s.mathew3375]

Not all RC 's comments are true ​@@michaelnoble2432

[@collegepennsylvania837]

"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."" John 14:6

[@godsgospelgirl]

I'm 95% sure it's authentic. I've always been skeptical of relics (Protestant), but the more I learn about the shroud, the more compelling the evidence becomes.

[@dylandevries8622]

its real. the dating methods used by the three labs in 1988 have since acknowledged that the results are inconclusive.

[@drangue9017]

The problem with carbon dating begins with the sampling. Sure, the cloth can be traced back to the 13th century without interruption, but after that it is unclear. Was it the holiest relic in Constantinople that the French crusaders stole when they sacked the city and the emperor complained to the Pope to return it to the city? It has its plausibility, but there is no evidence. But it is known that the Shroud was damaged by fire in the Middle Ages and repaired by nuns using a French embroidery technique. The Vatican even allows the STURP team to take samples from anywhere on the cloth (except where the image is), but some researchers insisted on taking samples only from the corner (the worst place of all, especially since that is where the fabric frays the most and is repaired). The piece was cut into seven pieces, and the smallest piece was cut into three more pieces. These three were tested in Arizona, Oxford and Zurich. None of the three labs had the same result... which is strange, and in 1988 the average was simply published. The anonymous donation of 1 million pounds after the publication of the result is also dubious... and then the fact that Oxford refused to make the raw data of the analysis public... it was only in 2017 that they were forced by the courts to publish it. The cloth was too contaminated, especially since it was known that the Shroud had been repaired several times. Samples would have had to be taken from everywhere for an analysis and not just from the corner... especially if the Vatican even allowed it, they should have taken the chance, but certain researchers insisted on only taking samples from one corner. That's why carbon dating is useless to me and has always been dubious, especially when you look at the other facts about the Shroud (picture, 3D, Poland, blood, blood that matches the Sundarium of Obviedo 1 to 1 in terms of blood type and blood prints, traces of clay, no dyes, the wounds etc. etc.). For me it IS the Shroud of Christ.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@drangue9017]

@@easybandzofficial6456 How it debunks?

[@easybandzofficial6456]

@@drangue9017 just read it. If you have half a brain you will know if not come back n I’ll explain the obvious

[@lindatamir2852]

I first felt it is real ! I was not raised a Christian, but when I saw it and his face, all my being said it is real. After seeing many many interviews and facts I am convinced it is real !

[@notthisguyagain8557]

The sample they took was from a peice that was stiched on after the fire damage. But they have paintings of the shroud from the 1100s. Also it has 2 different weaves. The main weave is from the 1st century.

[@ic.xc.]

I heard that it was in the possession of the House of Savoy for 5-400 years and in the court people would take small snippets of the shroud (crazy), it had also been resown during the middle ages because of a fire. Those snippets were perhaps the ones that were radio carbon dated in the '80s that correctly points to the middle ages -however that doesn't necessarily mean the entire shroud is from that time period.

[@harrygarris6921]

We know that for the radiocarbon test in 1988 they only took one sample from one location the shroud and cut it into 3 pieces and then tested the 3 pieces of the same sample. They didn’t take 5 samples from various locations on the shroud like the 1976 research team suggested would be necessary to precisely date the shroud. Given the blatant refusal to follow protocol it’s hard for me to put much stock in the c14 test. If they wanted to get an accurate date, why wouldn’t they take multiple samples? But if they wanted the test to show a medieval date, naturally you’d carefully select a portion of the shroud that had been repaired with material from the 1300s and send that material to be tested.

[@jeremygiles7617]

My spread of probabilities is probably 20-80%. In situations like this where the uncertainty is so high I tend to lean on principle concerning what I believe. If actual memorabilia (for lack of a better term) of Jesus remained then the human proclivity to worship objects would likely take over. Because of that principle I tend to self regulate my belief in the shroud to under 50%.

[@elainejones5473]

Nobody worships the shroud. Not even us Catholics. :)

[@James-ll3jb]

Not logical, dude

[@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN]

very simple YOU CANNOT FAKE WHAT YOU CANNOT MAKE

[@SoDamnMetal]

@@elainejones5473 Your actions speak much louder than your words.

[@SabeerAbdulla]

You're already worshipping a man, you can't get any more idolatrous than that. Oh wait, the cross 😂😂😂😂

[@Chooky88]

I didn't need the Shroud to believe but it is still fascinating and I believe it is authentic.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

Do you believe in the Bible (Simon Peter) or the shroud (European from the 1300s)

[@ehrenknappe8268]

This is something that has fascinated me for a while. So much so that I read all the STURP publications, books on both sides, and I even critically studied every claim to refute or duplicate it that I came across. And I've been convinced by the preponderance of evidence. There are just too many coincidences. It's the remnants of serous fluid mixed with blood pooling behind the man's back from what looks like a spear wound in the side. There are remnants of pollens from the middle east that bloomed only in Israel at that time of year. The image being confined to the topmost fibrils of clothe by what appears to be radiation. That alone is mind-boggling to grasp when you understand how paints and burns and dyes and other coloring methods work. The types of blood from different wounds (venous, capillary or arterial). The apparent scourge marks. The rigor mortis. The accurate wrist marks at a time (the claimed middle ages forgery) when they thought the nails went through the palms. The lack of signs of decay from a dead body. Blood, yes. Decay from the body, no. The inability to replicate the image even today with all the technology we have. I have to say I'm with Habermas on this one, perhaps 90-95% sure it is the burial clothe of Christ. Could there be a once in a century kind of intellect like a Tesla or Da Vinci who devised a way to fool everyone, creating an image that wouldn't be seen or appreciated in detail for centuries? I guess, if you really want to believe in long shots. Could I be swayed to believe because of my Christian faith? I honestly don't think so. I look at everything as a skeptic, because if it is true, my skepticism will drive me to poke holes and shoot it down, not merely accept it. And if it is true, all those attempts will amount to nothing. It will still stand and I will be left flummoxed. When I was a child I saw the shroud as another silly Catholic relic like saints' bodies that don't decay (but are really fixed with wax and hermetically sealed away from oxygen). I saw it as something people clung to in order to believe. But today, if my life depended on it, I would confidently wager it is the burial clothe of Jesus without hesitation. Not because it holds power or I have to have it be true in order to justify my faith, but because I can not in good faith disprove it, and in fact, the evidence is pointing so strongly in the other direction I would have to be willfully blind to ignore it.

[@truthforalltube]

I believe it is true but I don't believe it is wise to argue for the resurrection based on the shroud 23:43 . I saw your comment on facebook some years ago that you believe it is true. It seems you've changed position.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@truthforalltube]

@@easybandzofficial6456 How does John 20:6-7 debunk the shroud?

[@galatician8063]

Jesus's body was initially wapped in a cloth. It is later wrapped in linen strips with the mixture of spices. The linen cloth that Luke mentions, sidon, is not mentioned again. Only the othonion, the strips of linen, and a head napkin are mentioned. Something in how these strips and the napkin are arranged made 1 or 2 things clear to Peter: his body had not been stolen (Would thieves fold a napkin?), and perhaps, his body had been removed without unwrapping or disturbing the strips of linen. These facts would point to Jesus being alive! Luke 23:53 NKJV - Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. John 19:40 NKJV - Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury. John 20:6-8 NKJV - Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed.

[@garrygraham]

John 20:7 clearly describes the burial cloths as plural, the head covering separate from the body cloths (plural). John was the only eyewitness of the empty tomb out of the 4 gospel writers. His account is the most detailed of the burial cloths and therefore the most definitive answer as to the plausibility of the shroud of turin being anything to do with Jesus' burial. And that answer is a resounding No!

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Those of us with at least normal intelligence know that only the Shroud was used to contain the body of Jesus. The facecloth was wrapped around his head when he was brought into the tomb but then it was taken off of him and set aside. The strips of cloth were used to bind the body during rigor and to secure the shroud to his body. He was not wrapped up like King Tut. Duh! Rather sad how many low IQ people there are out there that will call the Holy Shroud a fake due to their own ignorance.

[@captainolivierlevasseur5763]

A quote based on St Thomas Aquinas': “For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible.”

[@ChristianLifestyle]

Yes I firmly believe that THE proof of the Resurrection of Jesus that God has made for the world to see and believe! It's too perfect to be otherwise...God is GREAT ! It's 💯 godly authentic for me!!! Glory to God 🙌🏽😍

[@mantasr]

There are some people who you can pleasantly listen to talking about anything. This guy is one.

[@billymandalay193]

Wingalings would dispute that bold claim. lol

[@aneyesky]

The medieval repair done on the non consequential area of the shroud after the fire- was the part of the shroud that was tested. Glenn Beck had another expert on explaining this. Another thing- they noticed that the radiation may have captured movement onto the shroud, as He was being resurrected. Amazing. Our God is amazing.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@koderamerikaner5147]

​@@easybandzofficial6456Is it not possible that the shroud is one of two or more layers? Do you believe John's testimony was 100% accurate and he didn't assume that there was multiple pieces of linen because the whole body was covered, or because the shroud was folded over? You arguing against actual science and archaeological evidence with "Nuh-uh! One interpretation of John disagrees!"

[@KingdomInterest]

@@koderamerikaner5147THANK YOU. Look up “sudarium” to understand what the separate head cloth was. It might even be preserved in Spain! The Sudarium of Oviedo might actually match the Shroud and legitimately be this separate head cloth.

[@tomasrocha6139]

In 1389, the image was denounced as a fraud by Bishop Pierre D'Arcis in a letter to the Avignon Antipope Clement VII, mentioning that the image had previously been denounced by his predecessor Henri de Poitiers, who had been concerned that no such image was mentioned in scripture. Bishop D'Arcis continued, "Eventually, after diligent inquiry and examination, he discovered how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, to wit, that it was a work of human skill and not miraculously wrought or bestowed."

[@Christusvinci]

​@@easybandzofficial6456dude you are not even Christian but you are so bordered that you on every comment here.

[@bowrudder899]

The truth or falsehood of Christianity has never turned on the shroud. It is simply intriguing.

[@Charlllot]

I've seen a lot of people say that biblically it can't be Jesus' shroud because there was a separate cloth covering the face. I surmised that they probably used 2 cloths, one for the face, and one for the entire body, including the head. That info about the second cloth is very interesting. I had pictured the head cloth to have been over the body cloth, but now it sounds like it could have been under the body cloth, given that the blood from his face is on the face cloth and not on the body cloth, making the radiation projection of his face onto the body cloth through another cloth that much more amazing.

[@michaelnoble2432]

You can surmise all you want, but IT DOES NOT MATCH the description in John 20, which describes STRIPS of linen (not one giant piece) and a separate cloth for Jesus' head.

[@WiktorWandachowicz]

There is another cloth, the Manoppello Image. It fits the face features like eyes, mouth, nose, face hair, etc. with the Shroud of Turin. But on this image the person is alive and has open eyes. The 0.1 second picture of Jesus after resurrection. To be honest there is also a third cloth, believed to be put over the face of Jesus when taking down His dead body from the Cross. It also fits face features with the previous two. God bless! 😇

[@michaelnoble2432]

@@WiktorWandachowicz all fakes, made to feed the insatiable desire of the RCC for relics. The early Christians never indulged in such idolatry.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

His body was wrapped with several strips of linen not just one strip the word is in plural! Then the head was wrapped in a face cloth and was found folded separately by Simon Peter.. no mention of a shroud that covered his entire body front and back and certainly no talk of an image of light left on said wraps of linen! This shroud is debunked by the bible

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@NathanBirhan]

The Resurrection of Our Lord Almighty Jesus Christ is ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY, TOTALLY, REALLY AND FULLY UNQUESTIONABLE, Lord Jesus Christ has been TRULY Resurrected. Jesus is the killer of Death itself.

[@RC_Zak]

The Shroud is real. The radiation coming out of the body. The light coming from within the body going outwards. Its incredible.

[@joemadden4160]

How many burial clothes from that era. No other images. Only Christ has a soul?

[@vdoniel]

only Jesus rose from the dead.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

It’s a fake/forgery unless you believe Jesus body was flat as a coin or ironing board. Simply look at the top of the front and back of the head.. 😂🤡

[@gagalover2k10]

We’re given two images really. One, the one we see in regular lighting; we see the outline of the body and the blood, that’s the dead figure. The other, the 'negative/x-ray’ image of the man just as he is resurrected, so what you’re seeing is a man at that very moment brought back to life. That’s why it has this slightly otherworldly, eerily fascinating feeling when we see it

[@msgjr]

@@vdonielNot necessarily. Lazarus, Jairus’s daughter, and the graves of saints opened and appeared to many. What’s different though that would cause an intense flash of light? This is where Christ is different - the purgation for our sins.

[@kappaferret6052]

How does it make sense that someone could make a forgery like that back in the early 1300s and yet our modern science still can't recreate it? To me it's common sense that it has to be real. As our species grows in knowledge and understanding of creation, God continues to also give us more and more complex proof of Him as well

[@desiboi926]

lol love Habermas, I was at liberty and loved him as a teacher.

[@Weissguys6]

I’m so jealous!! Not covetous mind you…. 😊 Just think it must have been great.

[@desiboi926]

@@Weissguys6 yea, he was so knowledgable and always drew you in to the lecture. Dr fowler is another one of my favorites at liberty.

[@OnTheThirdDay]

@@Weissguys6 Paul said to "covet" the best gifts.

[@davidhudson4230]

The evidence seems strong. I believe it is true and I am typically very skeptical about these things.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@Warriorking.1963]

A simple little detail that really is almost irrelevant compared to everything else, but it still has to be explained. If this is a 14th century forgery, how did the forger know to put the marks for the nails through the wrists instead of the palms of the hands? It was competely unknown until the 20th century, that the nails went though the wrists, the palms being too weak to support the weight of the body, but why would a 14th century artist even think of this? To answer your question directly, I personally am 100% sure this is the real McCoy, we really do have an image of the man who died for all of us. I was an atheist all my life, but after decades of searching for answers to prove whether God existed or not, the Shroud of Turin was EXACTLY what I needed to get my journey to Salvation off the launchpad.

[@easybandzofficial6456]

The marks for the nail are in the back of the hand not the wrists! Either that or this person had a disability making his palm shorter than the length of his finger from the knuckle to the first joint.. lol making him an alien

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@Warriorking.1963]

@@easybandzofficial6456 What are you smoking, because it must be some seriously powerful 💩? All those verses say is that Peter found the garment used in the burial of Jesus, in the tomb. How, in whatever alternative reality you're living in, does that debunk the shroud? And rather than abusing the Bible to push your agenda, again why not explain how an artist/forger in the 14th century, created that image?

[@Warriorking.1963]

@@easybandzofficial6456 Well tha's just not true! Experts, atheist, Jewish or Christian, all say the nail are in the wrists, so I'm not going to comment further on that lie.

[@holandreas]

Most responsible answer so far, I feel. I work in Physics and have used WAXS fairly extensively and I have some things I wish to add: 1. WAXS essentially produces results characteristic to a pattern in real space and in essence all it says is that the pattern seen in the linen resembles that of a 2000 year old cloth from the Middle East more (and significantly so, to be fair) than a 700 year old cloth from Europe. In this case it looks at the intensity of the peak corresponding to cellulose to produce an indicator of how much the cellulose of the shroud/cloth has broken down. In theory this should make for a pretty good measure of aging I have read the study and while I dislike that they used a different x-ray optics setup for some of other samples and the shroud itself they do a good job at controlling for this comparing the results for a modern cloth producing practically identical WAXS profiles. The paper was more convincing than I expected going into it and they do answer the criticism that this might be because of the fires it has suffered well. 2. I also think a phenomenon like this could fudge a carbon dating. If we assume there really was a bunch of radiation coming from a resurrecting Jesus then one can imagine this, for instance, producing an artificially raised level of Carbon-14. This can in theory be tested for by looking for other isotopes one wouldn't expect to find at all in a cloth. In this model then it would make sense that the Sudarium of Oviedo was carbon dated to a later date than we know it was around for, but with a less significant shift than the shroud as it would be taken off him and placed elsewhere in the grave at this point.

[@Loveistheirwholehapp]

It really is a fascinating object

[@Ex-MuslimTestimonies]

Keep up the good work ❤✝️🙏

[@radix133]

This is getting more and more compelling.

[@lolgamer-bl8zp]

Have you seen Ancient Egypt and the Bible's channel? He says it looks kinda sus

[@sabhishek9289]

​@@lolgamer-bl8zp Well, Dr David Falk's expertise lies in Egyptology only which is not related to the shroud. Also I've seen Dr David Falk's take on who was Egypt's Pharaoh during the Exodus and it feels intellectually dishonest tbh. It's incredible how he does his mental gymnastics around his things. So I would call him unreliable pretty much on many things.

[@Feirin332]

I always used to think the shroud was a silly hoax for gullible people... Until about 3 days ago when I first saw one of the many recent videos on the matter. I haven't been able to stop researching the matter and I am completely blown away. Just mind blown and in complete awe and astonishment.

[@mane0011]

Yeah me too. I watched a documentary and was pretty impressed. I'll still have doubts but can't argue much

[@thattimguy3342]

Gullible.

[@Feirin332]

@@thattimguy3342 You fell into the trap that I set for you. You've just exposed that, just like me in the past, you haven't actually looked into the phenomenon with any kind of proper scrutiny. Do it though - it's absolutely fascinating, whether you decide in the end you do or don't buy into it. You need to have real curiosity though without the knee jerk "I already know what's going on here because it can't be so".

[@easybandzofficial6456]

John 20:6-7 debunks this shroud thoroughly. Question remains do you believe the bible or this shroud? Is the bible lying? Do you believe the eye witness testimony of Simon Peter or do you believe a European from the 1300s?

[@easybandzofficial6456]

You were right the first time, it is for gullible people